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		<title>By: workingclass artist</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-576670</link>
		<dc:creator>workingclass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.....Bettysue, I&#039;m not going to defend Obama or the partial Birth abortion issue. I am going to say that for ME as an individual this issue has always been broader and deeper than it&#039;s elements. For me the issue is about the role of the state in a democracy. How much POWER the state has in the lives of it&#039;s citizenry.
I don&#039;t want the STATE to EXERCISE TYRANNY OVER PRIVATE DECISIONS BETWEEN RATIONAL LAW ABIDING INDIVDUALS WHO ARE OF LEGAL CONSENTING AGE.
Whether this be in the bedroom...or the clinic....
If the state is granted this POWER it is granted it universally under our current system of court actions.
So...if the STATE has the power to CONTROL Reproductive rights through enforcement of unwanted pregnancies it ALSO has the right to PREVENT wanted pregnancies as is done in China. Or the STATE is given the right to justify adjudication of desirable pregnancies as in deciding genetic preferences for breeding. I&#039;m not saying there should not be oversight and regulation as this is the responsible role of government....But I am saying that this is a legal slippery slope. We as a citizenry have not only our own recent history as example ( pre ROE v WADE US )
bu we also have the recent and current history of societies around the world to consider...when seeing TYRANNY OF THE STATE over PERSONAL LIBERTY....For example...
China....Population Controls and forced abortions
Romania....Forced Breeding Programs and Overpopulated State run Orphanages
If you add to this consideration that none of these issues is GENDER EQUAL in application then you have the true herring exposed for what it is...GENDER CONTROL
Now you have governmental sponsored and culturally endorsed FEMALE SUBJUGATION AND PERSECUTION....
When a society allows the persecution of a population deemed weaker and justifies this then you have the slippery slope....
Why is Rape tolerated as a weapon of WAR....Because the society in which this occurs allows for the subjugation and persecution of citizenry whose value it has judged to be of UNEQUAL STATUS.
Our current laws are based on protecting the weakest of our population against the stronger tyranny of the majority.
If we allow the STATE TO CONTROL REPRODUCTIVE CONDUCT AND RIGHTS....WE MUST ALLOW THIS TO BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL MEMBERS OF BOTH GENDERS WHETHER THEY CONSENT OR NOT...
If the state can FORCE WOMEN TO MAINTAIN PREGNANCY AGAINST THEIR WILL...THEY SHOULD SELECTIVELY FORCE STERILIZATION OF MEN TO CONTROL POPULATION AGAINST THEIR WILL IN EQUAL APPLICATION....
And Hey ! Why not sponsor Preferential gender selection while we&#039;re at it so that pregnancies can be controlled to the degree where only gender preferred ( say male ) pregnancies valued by the culture are allowed....Sonograms are so handy for that kinda thing...
and the STATE can decide what is preferential and the STATE can eliminate choice and and give a little pill to insure that it&#039;s power is maintained.....
IMHO....It is the broader context that clinches the decision for both women and men in this country....
Now this issue looks a little different.....no ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;..Bettysue, I&#8217;m not going to defend Obama or the partial Birth abortion issue. I am going to say that for ME as an individual this issue has always been broader and deeper than it&#8217;s elements. For me the issue is about the role of the state in a democracy. How much POWER the state has in the lives of it&#8217;s citizenry.<br />
I don&#8217;t want the STATE to EXERCISE TYRANNY OVER PRIVATE DECISIONS BETWEEN RATIONAL LAW ABIDING INDIVDUALS WHO ARE OF LEGAL CONSENTING AGE.<br />
Whether this be in the bedroom&#8230;or the clinic&#8230;.<br />
If the state is granted this POWER it is granted it universally under our current system of court actions.<br />
So&#8230;if the STATE has the power to CONTROL Reproductive rights through enforcement of unwanted pregnancies it ALSO has the right to PREVENT wanted pregnancies as is done in China. Or the STATE is given the right to justify adjudication of desirable pregnancies as in deciding genetic preferences for breeding. I&#8217;m not saying there should not be oversight and regulation as this is the responsible role of government&#8230;.But I am saying that this is a legal slippery slope. We as a citizenry have not only our own recent history as example ( pre ROE v WADE US )<br />
bu we also have the recent and current history of societies around the world to consider&#8230;when seeing TYRANNY OF THE STATE over PERSONAL LIBERTY&#8230;.For example&#8230;<br />
China&#8230;.Population Controls and forced abortions<br />
Romania&#8230;.Forced Breeding Programs and Overpopulated State run Orphanages<br />
If you add to this consideration that none of these issues is GENDER EQUAL in application then you have the true herring exposed for what it is&#8230;GENDER CONTROL<br />
Now you have governmental sponsored and culturally endorsed FEMALE SUBJUGATION AND PERSECUTION&#8230;.<br />
When a society allows the persecution of a population deemed weaker and justifies this then you have the slippery slope&#8230;.<br />
Why is Rape tolerated as a weapon of WAR&#8230;.Because the society in which this occurs allows for the subjugation and persecution of citizenry whose value it has judged to be of UNEQUAL STATUS.<br />
Our current laws are based on protecting the weakest of our population against the stronger tyranny of the majority.<br />
If we allow the STATE TO CONTROL REPRODUCTIVE CONDUCT AND RIGHTS&#8230;.WE MUST ALLOW THIS TO BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL MEMBERS OF BOTH GENDERS WHETHER THEY CONSENT OR NOT&#8230;<br />
If the state can FORCE WOMEN TO MAINTAIN PREGNANCY AGAINST THEIR WILL&#8230;THEY SHOULD SELECTIVELY FORCE STERILIZATION OF MEN TO CONTROL POPULATION AGAINST THEIR WILL IN EQUAL APPLICATION&#8230;.<br />
And Hey ! Why not sponsor Preferential gender selection while we&#8217;re at it so that pregnancies can be controlled to the degree where only gender preferred ( say male ) pregnancies valued by the culture are allowed&#8230;.Sonograms are so handy for that kinda thing&#8230;<br />
and the STATE can decide what is preferential and the STATE can eliminate choice and and give a little pill to insure that it&#8217;s power is maintained&#8230;..<br />
IMHO&#8230;.It is the broader context that clinches the decision for both women and men in this country&#8230;.<br />
Now this issue looks a little different&#8230;..no ?</p>
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		<title>By: sakel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-575421</link>
		<dc:creator>sakel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine

I agree. I&#039;ve despised Richardson for months. He&#039;s like Carville said &quot;Judas&quot; selling himself for 30 pieces of silver. Jesus, this Saddleback made me a good Christian again!

Seriously, you should viewe the meandering answer Obambi gave &quot;I did not focus on others...I was interested in me...I was selfish...but when I grew up (?) I discovered that IT REALLY WASN&#039;T ABOUT ME&quot;...i&quot;....and at this point Warren cuts him off &quot;I like that..not about you&quot; and they applaud...

Classic narcissistic sexist pig our Precious is! Barry needs to learn from a &quot;SCOLDING MOTHER mother&quot; --that&#039;s what Moron McCafferty had called Hillary!  

This world would be much better off if it were run by Scolding Mothers!  Too bad the media morons have&#039;nt picked up on this Truth. 

One day McCafferty&#039;s &quot;accusation&quot; (&#039;scolding mother&#039;) will become a compliment for a politician. I guarantee!

Hillary, return immediately! You&#039;re needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine</p>
<p>I agree. I&#8217;ve despised Richardson for months. He&#8217;s like Carville said &#8220;Judas&#8221; selling himself for 30 pieces of silver. Jesus, this Saddleback made me a good Christian again!</p>
<p>Seriously, you should viewe the meandering answer Obambi gave &#8220;I did not focus on others&#8230;I was interested in me&#8230;I was selfish&#8230;but when I grew up (?) I discovered that IT REALLY WASN&#8217;T ABOUT ME&#8221;&#8230;i&#8221;&#8230;.and at this point Warren cuts him off &#8220;I like that..not about you&#8221; and they applaud&#8230;</p>
<p>Classic narcissistic sexist pig our Precious is! Barry needs to learn from a &#8220;SCOLDING MOTHER mother&#8221; &#8211;that&#8217;s what Moron McCafferty had called Hillary!  </p>
<p>This world would be much better off if it were run by Scolding Mothers!  Too bad the media morons have&#8217;nt picked up on this Truth. </p>
<p>One day McCafferty&#8217;s &#8220;accusation&#8221; (&#8216;scolding mother&#8217;) will become a compliment for a politician. I guarantee!</p>
<p>Hillary, return immediately! You&#8217;re needed.</p>
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		<title>By: sakel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-575395</link>
		<dc:creator>sakel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bwana - You&#039;re just another obamyopic impecunious dunderhead!

When does life begin? In your case, at the time your female parent omitted her dose of the morning after meds.  Surely, the parthenogenesis of idiocy in your case was the cruel afermath that did not require &#039;two to tango&#039;.
 
Why don&#039;t you uh uh go back to Hawaii to do body surfin&#039; with Precious, eh? Unless it&#039;s above your pay grade--like comprenending diversity of opinion does not an unDemocrat make.

Obamyopia is still curable. Get help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bwana &#8211; You&#8217;re just another obamyopic impecunious dunderhead!</p>
<p>When does life begin? In your case, at the time your female parent omitted her dose of the morning after meds.  Surely, the parthenogenesis of idiocy in your case was the cruel afermath that did not require &#8216;two to tango&#8217;.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you uh uh go back to Hawaii to do body surfin&#8217; with Precious, eh? Unless it&#8217;s above your pay grade&#8211;like comprenending diversity of opinion does not an unDemocrat make.</p>
<p>Obamyopia is still curable. Get help!</p>
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		<title>By: sakel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-575372</link>
		<dc:creator>sakel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican chick, you&#039;re right on!

One minute he thorows granny Dunham under the bus of his political expediency and the next he&#039;s appointed her Secretary of State!

I think Obama would have been far more effective if he had mentioned that Uncle Jeremia Wright would head his White House Spiritual Advisory Committee. I don&#039;t think Granny Dunham would mind having him also rescued from under the bus. They&#039;re old buddies by now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican chick, you&#8217;re right on!</p>
<p>One minute he thorows granny Dunham under the bus of his political expediency and the next he&#8217;s appointed her Secretary of State!</p>
<p>I think Obama would have been far more effective if he had mentioned that Uncle Jeremia Wright would head his White House Spiritual Advisory Committee. I don&#8217;t think Granny Dunham would mind having him also rescued from under the bus. They&#8217;re old buddies by now!</p>
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		<title>By: sakel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-575354</link>
		<dc:creator>sakel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry&#039;s ending is a true classic!

Please make sure all 70,000 Obama fans get to respond to Larry&#039;s question (minus &quot;Jesus&quot;) preferably via text messaging at the Convention:


&quot;And who would you rather consult with on making America better? General David Patraeus and Ebay founder Meg Whitman, or Michelle Obama and Granny Dunham?&quot;

&quot;Jesus!!&quot;

Amen.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry&#8217;s ending is a true classic!</p>
<p>Please make sure all 70,000 Obama fans get to respond to Larry&#8217;s question (minus &#8220;Jesus&#8221;) preferably via text messaging at the Convention:</p>
<p>&#8220;And who would you rather consult with on making America better? General David Patraeus and Ebay founder Meg Whitman, or Michelle Obama and Granny Dunham?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Jesus!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen.</p>
<p>m</p>
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		<title>By: sakel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-575321</link>
		<dc:creator>sakel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, this video does not continue from &quot;I didn&#039;t focus on other people...I focused on myself...&quot; utterance from Obama. What&#039;s missing is a classic exchange between Warren and Obama.

When Obama me-anders on and on and on endlessly answering Warren&#039;s question on &quot;personal failings&quot;...Rev. Warren cut him off. It&#039;s a classic instant &quot;blessing&quot; for the McCain camp to be superimposed on Barry&#039;s &quot;Britney Moment&quot; concept ads.

Barack: &quot;I abused drugs, alcohol...I was interested in ME...and then Barack had his epiphany as &quot;I grew up and I discovered that it really wasn&#039;t about ME and I...&quot; and here Warren bluntly cuts BHO&#039;s me-andering off with:

&quot;I like that...not about you...&quot; 

And the audience erupts into spontaneous applause for Warren&#039;s sudden wit awakening Obama from his self-confessed &quot;self-obsession&quot; lethargy in motion!

A classic moment that I have yet to see stand alone on video. It will be engraved in the history books of political narcissistic sins.  Not to mention Warren&#039;s truly charitable, Christian act of having saved the poor audience from having to listen to yet another torturous lecture on Obama&#039;s self-centred obsessions which, unhappily, continue to plague less Christian audiences to this very day!

Now we know why Hillary alays got the first hard answer, while Obama used to look toward her for a response to clue in before he formulatd his own. He covered up his lack of experience, specificity on issues, and confidence with meandering incompetence camouflaged as &quot;nuisanced introspection and thoughtfulness&quot;.

Ah, how we miss Hillary&#039;s succinct intelligence, passion and preparedness on the trail.  

But I guess it&#039;s &quot;above my pay grade&quot; to comment on the DNC&#039;s unforgivable political sins, now, ain&#039;t it?!...


m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this video does not continue from &#8220;I didn&#8217;t focus on other people&#8230;I focused on myself&#8230;&#8221; utterance from Obama. What&#8217;s missing is a classic exchange between Warren and Obama.</p>
<p>When Obama me-anders on and on and on endlessly answering Warren&#8217;s question on &#8220;personal failings&#8221;&#8230;Rev. Warren cut him off. It&#8217;s a classic instant &#8220;blessing&#8221; for the McCain camp to be superimposed on Barry&#8217;s &#8220;Britney Moment&#8221; concept ads.</p>
<p>Barack: &#8220;I abused drugs, alcohol&#8230;I was interested in ME&#8230;and then Barack had his epiphany as &#8220;I grew up and I discovered that it really wasn&#8217;t about ME and I&#8230;&#8221; and here Warren bluntly cuts BHO&#8217;s me-andering off with:</p>
<p>&#8220;I like that&#8230;not about you&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>And the audience erupts into spontaneous applause for Warren&#8217;s sudden wit awakening Obama from his self-confessed &#8220;self-obsession&#8221; lethargy in motion!</p>
<p>A classic moment that I have yet to see stand alone on video. It will be engraved in the history books of political narcissistic sins.  Not to mention Warren&#8217;s truly charitable, Christian act of having saved the poor audience from having to listen to yet another torturous lecture on Obama&#8217;s self-centred obsessions which, unhappily, continue to plague less Christian audiences to this very day!</p>
<p>Now we know why Hillary alays got the first hard answer, while Obama used to look toward her for a response to clue in before he formulatd his own. He covered up his lack of experience, specificity on issues, and confidence with meandering incompetence camouflaged as &#8220;nuisanced introspection and thoughtfulness&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ah, how we miss Hillary&#8217;s succinct intelligence, passion and preparedness on the trail.  </p>
<p>But I guess it&#8217;s &#8220;above my pay grade&#8221; to comment on the DNC&#8217;s unforgivable political sins, now, ain&#8217;t it?!&#8230;</p>
<p>m</p>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-575047</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, what I would prefer is a President with the moral courage to tell me how he feels when he is asked a direct question instead of coming up with a flip, weasel-worded, politically correct response in order to avoid commitment.  Many times I can respect someone that I may disagree with if they have the moral courage to clearly state their belief.  I find it it hard to vote for someone who has so little moral courage that they answer a serious question with a flippant response that, at least when I was in government service, was the sign of an uninspired weasel who lacked initiative and was constantly trying to avoid their oath of office and moral responsibility of honest service to their fellow citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, what I would prefer is a President with the moral courage to tell me how he feels when he is asked a direct question instead of coming up with a flip, weasel-worded, politically correct response in order to avoid commitment.  Many times I can respect someone that I may disagree with if they have the moral courage to clearly state their belief.  I find it it hard to vote for someone who has so little moral courage that they answer a serious question with a flippant response that, at least when I was in government service, was the sign of an uninspired weasel who lacked initiative and was constantly trying to avoid their oath of office and moral responsibility of honest service to their fellow citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if to if your daughter gets raped, some Falwell fan at the drugstore should be able to make her have the living zygote that could be rejected from the womb with the simple use of a morning after pill?

Its human rights have already begun according to you.

That would mean outlawing all birth control pills too. Perhaps you would be willing to submit your medical history and have your family pass inspection or face attempted murder and conspiring to murder, since it takes two to tango....
Can we make your daughter fill out a form and submit to physical exam to prove she needs the medicine?

Please, inform of the witch trial expert, errrr doctor she should have to get approval to make decisions regarding her own body.

If she floats when waterboard her, she&#039;s a witch....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if to if your daughter gets raped, some Falwell fan at the drugstore should be able to make her have the living zygote that could be rejected from the womb with the simple use of a morning after pill?</p>
<p>Its human rights have already begun according to you.</p>
<p>That would mean outlawing all birth control pills too. Perhaps you would be willing to submit your medical history and have your family pass inspection or face attempted murder and conspiring to murder, since it takes two to tango&#8230;.<br />
Can we make your daughter fill out a form and submit to physical exam to prove she needs the medicine?</p>
<p>Please, inform of the witch trial expert, errrr doctor she should have to get approval to make decisions regarding her own body.</p>
<p>If she floats when waterboard her, she&#8217;s a witch&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: karen for Clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen for Clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, saw that one, and yes, she was &quot;all that&quot; and more.

They did this to her constantly.  One time that really irked me to no end was the RFK flap and painting her as an evil demon.

I had watched the video of that whole interview and although I thought she was remarkable in her knowledge and her stances showed incredible judgment and foresight, there wasn&#039;t a moment when I felt anything odd had been said.  Overall it was brilliant.

I was horrified by the supermarket gang up on her and the endless press stories portraying her as on a death watch.

Just astounding how they twisted it, and it was so obvious they had not listened to the entire interview which lasted around 30 min.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, saw that one, and yes, she was &#8220;all that&#8221; and more.</p>
<p>They did this to her constantly.  One time that really irked me to no end was the RFK flap and painting her as an evil demon.</p>
<p>I had watched the video of that whole interview and although I thought she was remarkable in her knowledge and her stances showed incredible judgment and foresight, there wasn&#8217;t a moment when I felt anything odd had been said.  Overall it was brilliant.</p>
<p>I was horrified by the supermarket gang up on her and the endless press stories portraying her as on a death watch.</p>
<p>Just astounding how they twisted it, and it was so obvious they had not listened to the entire interview which lasted around 30 min.</p>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media &#38; Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media &#38; Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama Was Right!! (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Struggling to answer the question about abortion in Saturday night’s religious forum, Barack “Barry Soetoro” Obama did succeed in getting one thing right–he said, “that’s above my pay grade.” Let’s give the man some credit, he nailed it. In fact, being President is above his damn pay grade. He aptly demonstrated [Saturday] night that he’s not ready for primetime. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama Was Right!! (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Struggling to answer the question about abortion in Saturday night’s religious forum, Barack “Barry Soetoro” Obama did succeed in getting one thing right–he said, “that’s above my pay grade.” Let’s give the man some credit, he nailed it. In fact, being President is above his damn pay grade. He aptly demonstrated [Saturday] night that he’s not ready for primetime. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IndianaDem</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndianaDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human life doesn&#039;t scientifically begin at conception.  Science would probably suggest that human life begins with the commencement of brain activity.  The first measurable EEG brain activity begins around the 12th week.  I become increasingly uncomfortable with the moral implications of abortion from that point forward.  Somewhere around then I believe the child begins to have legal rights competing with the mother&#039;s right to choose.  Which, of course, is only one person&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human life doesn&#8217;t scientifically begin at conception.  Science would probably suggest that human life begins with the commencement of brain activity.  The first measurable EEG brain activity begins around the 12th week.  I become increasingly uncomfortable with the moral implications of abortion from that point forward.  Somewhere around then I believe the child begins to have legal rights competing with the mother&#8217;s right to choose.  Which, of course, is only one person&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianaDem</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndianaDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, absolutely.  &lt;em&gt;Can&lt;/em&gt; be and &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be, and I believe Barack Obama and the vast majority of his supporters would be in total agreement.  

As a matter of fact, I believe such a person should be subject to prosecution for murder or manslaughter if an attack results in the loss of a fetus &lt;em&gt;at any stage of pregnancy&lt;/em&gt;.  

I don&#039;t find this in any way inconsistent with my support of a woman&#039;s absolute right to choose during her first trimester.  I don&#039;t know if a fetus is a child at that point, but until a fetus actually is, the rights of the potential child are vested in the mother.  &lt;strong&gt;A doctor facilitating a woman&#039;s choice at that stage is not the same as a violent criminal depriving her of that choice.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, absolutely.  <em>Can</em> be and <em>should</em> be, and I believe Barack Obama and the vast majority of his supporters would be in total agreement.  </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, I believe such a person should be subject to prosecution for murder or manslaughter if an attack results in the loss of a fetus <em>at any stage of pregnancy</em>.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find this in any way inconsistent with my support of a woman&#8217;s absolute right to choose during her first trimester.  I don&#8217;t know if a fetus is a child at that point, but until a fetus actually is, the rights of the potential child are vested in the mother.  <strong>A doctor facilitating a woman&#8217;s choice at that stage is not the same as a violent criminal depriving her of that choice.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: IndianaDem</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-574442</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianaDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Ma&#039;am!  I&#039;m in agreement with your observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Ma&#8217;am!  I&#8217;m in agreement with your observations.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianaDem</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4244/obama-was-right/#comment-574428</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianaDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sometimes seems like the level  of negativity around here toward any suggestion that positive change is both desirable and possible goes right off the chart.  

I&#039;ve been seeing some interesting patterns emerging over the past couple of months.  Dislike for Obama, for example, has revealed itself to be part of a larger picture.  There&#039;s also contempt expressed for Al Gore, John Kerry, liberal sensibilites, and the democratic party in general.  

There&#039;s been a lot of pro-offshore drilling talk, despite a consensus among experts that it would provide no price relief for years, if at all.  

Suddenly Iraq--one of the biggest democratic issues--is no longer a topic.  The idea is being pushed that &lt;em&gt;yes, the surge is working&lt;/em&gt;.   Forget that it&#039;s working because all of the waring ethnic factions have consolidated their holdings into armed, segregated areas, and the U.S. military has been turned into a billion-dollar-a-month police force, paid for with rapidly escalating loans taken out in the name of the U.S. taxpayer.  

Energy conservation is ridiculed.  

McCain talks alternative energy, but he proposes token projects while he pushes the interests of big oil.  &lt;em&gt;Seriously meaningful&lt;/em&gt; alternative energy proposals by Obama are ridiculed.  (Witness the top post in this thread.)  

Global warming, which neoconservatives have denied for years while working hard to suppress all evidence, isn&#039;t even a topic of discussion, even though serious alternative energy incentives represent the obvious solution to that problem as well.  

American militarism toward Russia--a hallmark of traditional republican policy--is now pure patriotism around here.  There&#039;s only one &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; view to the Georgia/Russia situation, and John McCain and company have it.  

The right to choose issue is no longer an issue.  Mention an obvious tendency away from free individual reproductive choices, and you&#039;re playing the fear card.  

&lt;strong&gt;In short, it looks more and more to me like the &lt;em&gt;anti-Obama&lt;/em&gt; movement is only a thin cover for a &lt;em&gt;pro-republican third column action&lt;/em&gt;.  There are quite a few die-hard, sincere Hillary Clinton supporters, but in the main that sentiment has also been skillfully appropriated and turned to serve a pro-republican agenda.&lt;/strong&gt;

Of course, if you point any of that out, you&#039;re a mindless, unthinking Obama troll, Obamabot, or whatever.  Your intelligence, experience, and patriotism are all automatically written off.  

That&#039;s pretty much how I&#039;m currently sizing things up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sometimes seems like the level  of negativity around here toward any suggestion that positive change is both desirable and possible goes right off the chart.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been seeing some interesting patterns emerging over the past couple of months.  Dislike for Obama, for example, has revealed itself to be part of a larger picture.  There&#8217;s also contempt expressed for Al Gore, John Kerry, liberal sensibilites, and the democratic party in general.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of pro-offshore drilling talk, despite a consensus among experts that it would provide no price relief for years, if at all.  </p>
<p>Suddenly Iraq&#8211;one of the biggest democratic issues&#8211;is no longer a topic.  The idea is being pushed that <em>yes, the surge is working</em>.   Forget that it&#8217;s working because all of the waring ethnic factions have consolidated their holdings into armed, segregated areas, and the U.S. military has been turned into a billion-dollar-a-month police force, paid for with rapidly escalating loans taken out in the name of the U.S. taxpayer.  </p>
<p>Energy conservation is ridiculed.  </p>
<p>McCain talks alternative energy, but he proposes token projects while he pushes the interests of big oil.  <em>Seriously meaningful</em> alternative energy proposals by Obama are ridiculed.  (Witness the top post in this thread.)  </p>
<p>Global warming, which neoconservatives have denied for years while working hard to suppress all evidence, isn&#8217;t even a topic of discussion, even though serious alternative energy incentives represent the obvious solution to that problem as well.  </p>
<p>American militarism toward Russia&#8211;a hallmark of traditional republican policy&#8211;is now pure patriotism around here.  There&#8217;s only one <em>right</em> view to the Georgia/Russia situation, and John McCain and company have it.  </p>
<p>The right to choose issue is no longer an issue.  Mention an obvious tendency away from free individual reproductive choices, and you&#8217;re playing the fear card.  </p>
<p><strong>In short, it looks more and more to me like the <em>anti-Obama</em> movement is only a thin cover for a <em>pro-republican third column action</em>.  There are quite a few die-hard, sincere Hillary Clinton supporters, but in the main that sentiment has also been skillfully appropriated and turned to serve a pro-republican agenda.</strong></p>
<p>Of course, if you point any of that out, you&#8217;re a mindless, unthinking Obama troll, Obamabot, or whatever.  Your intelligence, experience, and patriotism are all automatically written off.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much how I&#8217;m currently sizing things up.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not matter what your opinion is on when human rights begin, no matter what you think you have to agree that Obama&#039;s position is not logically consistent. Here is the position he espoused:

1) I don&#039;t know when a fetus should have human rights.
2) I am pro-choice, therefore fetuses have no human rights.

He is trying to have it both ways. You cannot simultaneously say that you are unsure when a fetus has rights and then say they can be aborted at will. If you believe in pro-choice you *must* perforce believe that fetuses have no human rights. If you believe fetuses *might* have human rights, you cannot be pro-choice, because in that case you *might* be killing 40 million people.

Sounds more like a typical politician than an agent of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not matter what your opinion is on when human rights begin, no matter what you think you have to agree that Obama&#8217;s position is not logically consistent. Here is the position he espoused:</p>
<p>1) I don&#8217;t know when a fetus should have human rights.<br />
2) I am pro-choice, therefore fetuses have no human rights.</p>
<p>He is trying to have it both ways. You cannot simultaneously say that you are unsure when a fetus has rights and then say they can be aborted at will. If you believe in pro-choice you *must* perforce believe that fetuses have no human rights. If you believe fetuses *might* have human rights, you cannot be pro-choice, because in that case you *might* be killing 40 million people.</p>
<p>Sounds more like a typical politician than an agent of change.</p>
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