Yo-Yobama, the Spinning Man

A new spin:  A biography of the POTUS will be released soon.  I read about this first in the morning paper this morning. 

Now I am wondering, is this new spin in an attempt to overwhelm the “birthers”?  What new fiction will be unloaded on the country? 

I am sick of it.

almost seems like we are being water boarded…………..  =-X

The only spinning I see is another NQ poster unwilling to write anything good about the current American president. I look forward to seeing what NQers have to say about the Jobs Bill that is going to pass in the Senate today: a too-small package of small business tax cuts that is actually so conservative and practical that it managed to attract a few Republican votes, and is estimated to be likely to help create tens of thousands of jobs. A drop in the bucket, but a step forward for our gridlocked Congress. 

Next up, the health care summit tomorrow. NQers will side with the idiots in the GOP, of  course, when they whine and moan about anything and everything the Democrats propose. And then the Democrats will get on with the business of being grownups and passing a bill, through reconciliation if necessary. And once the bill passes, the reality of what they’ve achieved will slowly filter out into the wider nation over the course of the year, as the economy steadily improves. And Republicans, who have yet to offer any substantive policy since the end of the Bush administration, can kiss their Congressional takeover goodbye. 

Prime obot, why are you here?  Attention seeking or is it your prime means of employment?

Hey Pat, the kid pulling the obama string doesn’t look like Rahm or Axe.

=-O

Hi Karen! I’m here because I enjoy discussing politics and, frankly, enjoy the passion and energy of this particular community, even though I think virtually all of you are dead wrong about virtually everything.

I recognize that for some NQers, apparently like yourself, it’s too intellectually taxing to have to listen to actual arguments from those who hold different views; you’d rather just coast down these threads reading insults about Obama and not thinking too hard about why doing so makes you feel good inside. But sorry, I like posting here anyway.  

I do have a day job, though, and it will have me in meetings all day today, so after 9:30 or so you won’t have to worry about hearing from me any further. 

Jobs bill = another stimulus bill.  A better name, and maybe this time they will oversee it so it will not be he disaster the first one was.

This health care bill will not only benefit insurance companies but is another rush job that we really do not see–only an 11 page summary.  Maybe it has something, maybe it doesn’t–but we don;t know.

In he meantime, do you REALLY think we have an adult in charge?

Hey, PO.  Do you read the MSM?  It is increasingly hard on Obama. Increasing numbers of supporters are questioning their earlier assessments (well, hope actually) and some are even apologizing. You make it sound like NQ is the only one questioning his ability to lead.

In the meantime, No Quarter is true to its name: Take no prisoners!

And, of course, you have every right to express your opinions.

The NQ stands for Nursery Quarters and the children are fed Pablum day in and day out to keep them from dehydrating. The doctors and nurses like you and I come in to see just that they don’t choke on their lolypops.

Everything nowadays is interconnected in a great big web of O-Wonderfulness–and the renowned cellist Yo Yo Ma is somehow sucked into the mystical vortex of YoYoBo . . . back and forth goes the bow, just as it did back in the days of old Nero . . .

m lark, shut up and clean your cage!

prime idiot, no you are here to stir the pot. that is all you care about period. sigh, if you want to waste your time, have at it. frankly, the american people are speaking and you are sol.

You can’t question the ability to lead on a person who daily comes out and lead. He is by far the most productive President ever. And in top of that he is defining a new way to be President – a way that matches our current culture.

And just to get in the spirit of YoYoBaMa madness:

The obots must be so overwhelmed with trying to ignore the writing on the wall in their narrow little world view.

The msm has had so much I agree with lately, for a change.  I have so many links to read at so many locations each day it is hard to keep up with the I Told You So emails.

It must be difficult for them to defend him now that they are waking up.  It is only the truly ignorant among them, the ones who cannot let go of their mistake of support for him, that are bitter and clinging.

Prime Obot and Mortuus lark,

Neither of you understand the process.  The NQ writers have to read the reputable news constantly and verify every story.  As the illustrator, I focus on stories that conjure up some visual image.  I read the NYT, WaPo, WSJ, and LA Times every day and Google the “news.”  If you look at this fluff piece, it contains no factual errors even though presented in a seemingly superficial way.  I can readily document every line. 

Sure, I am not happy about this administration or the Democrats (even though I am a lifelong Democrat not about to become a Republican).  I am not convinced about this stimulus bill (we shall see) because the last one mostly enriched people who already had money and the math used to calculate jobs is very fuzzy.  I can hope that someone learned a lesson and that the money is better spent.  But the smart money is on wait-and-see.

Health care reform is essential, but I want to see the details.  In the meantime, Solara 9 is absolutely correct.  The fine points need yet to be revealed, and hopefully there is something in there that will help everyday people.  I read every almost unreadable page (yes–it almost killed me) of the previous attempts at bills and always wondered why they didn’t do something simpler.  I confess that I worry that they want something passed–doesn’t matter much what it is.  If you have read what is available so far, most everything does not go in effect for years. 

It’s hard to keep hoping.

The jobs bill was fully biPartisan until Reid chopped the $70 billion in meat off it. Now it’s just $15 billion of empty calorie fat.

There were many more Republicans in favor of this bill until Reid got his mits on it.

Reid thought process: If Rebublicans are voting for it, it can’t be any good. Wait a minute. If we pass things that rRepublicans like, voters will like Republicans. I need to change this bill so Republicans hate it.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/business/la-fi-obama-economy12-2010feb12

ML–There are too many straight lines in your comment for me to even start!  I don’t want to take advantage–like shooting fish in a barrel.  So I will just sit here and laugh.

Pat you have a big perception bias problem. The yo yo you perceive is none other that a country that resembles an 850 pound man that does not have the ability any more to physically do anything else other than juggle a few things over his stomach. He looks like he is playing yo yo but he is DO-DO.

Face it, the country is in its death bed and is being fed by reluctant nurses such as China and Japan in order to keep it alive out of Buddhist compassion.

Why? You don’t know why.

This is all quite confusing.  It makes my brain spin around.  Sometimes it sleeps.  Thankfully, we have an  instructional:

Hey po, you have a fan.  Lark.  Lucky you. 

Are you so full of yourself that you have to tell people you are going to meetings at work?  Does it make you feel important to be part of grown up meetings?  Your judgement is awful, you chose a loser.

Yes, and the bots get their thinking material done for them in daily emails from the fine “O” folks over at the Big Rock Candy Mountain. It is way easier to come here and tear down and thow rocks at the writers material than it would be to find something positive “O” has done on his own. Then again “O” is just a brand. Brands exist solely to be sold and then owned.

Pat it is you that do not understand the process.

The process is called “the recieved view.” And you were taught to be a slave of it. And you are a slave of the recieved view. And that is why you seem so pathetic in this blog the way you don’t show hardly any creativity.

And you are not a journalist or a new paper man. References are dead. What you need is to think hanging up side down from a bathtub shower curtain rod.

“the most productive President ever”

Any credibility that you thought you had (your credibility is only in your own mind by the way), you lose with statements like that.

Obama coming out and talking every day, and getting nothing accomplished, well that is not leadership.

The nutcase on the corner at 32nd St and 7th Ave comes out every day and talks too. But no one is calling him a leader.

Obama is a leader all right. A leader of the nutcase brigade.

Pat it is you that do not understand the process. 
 
The process is called “the recieved view.” And you were taught to be a slave of it. And you are a slave of the recieved view. And that is why you seem so pathetic in this blog the way you don’t show hardly any creativity. 
 
And you are not a journalist or a new paper man. References are dead. What you need is to think hanging up side down from a bathtub shower curtain rod.

But I admit that you are a very talented and skillful and dedicated person with lots of opportunities in front of you and I wish you the best.

Pat you have a big perception bias problem. The yo yo you perceive is none other that a country that resembles an 850 pound man that does not have the ability any more to physically do anything else other than juggle a few things over his stomach. He looks like he is playing yo yo but he is playing DO-DO. 
 
Face it, the country is in its death bed and is being fed by reluctant nurses such as China and Japan in order to keep it alive out of Buddhist compassion.  
 
Why? You don’t know why.

I did not know China was Buddhist. I thought China was anti-Religion. All this time I thought China hated the Dalia Lama.

Lark, it’s so good to have you here to give uas all the correct facts. China has Buddhist compassion. Thanks for that fact Lark. You just can’t get facts like that from the MSM.

Confuse and overwhelm the people, create chaotic thinking in order to lead the people down the path and then pretend that it was always the people’s idea. If you repeat the lie over and over again, some might believe it to be true….  Scary. 

Well now  we know what he has been doing when he is not playing golf. Because he is certainly not running the country (and maybe that’s a good thing after all!).

On second thought maybe we should hope for a new version of the Presidency: Barack Tolstoi Obama.

“What you need is to think hanging up side down from a bathtub shower curtain rod.” 

I was right!! Lark is posting from Bellevue Hospital!! No wonder why he loves Obamacare.

And Pat, I don’t blame you for being a Democrat because the Republican Ronald Regan was the one who started the insanity of running DEFICITS in order to stimulate the economy. And since then the Republicans have murdered the country by adding DEFICIT SPENDING as their only idea to keep GDP growing, plus hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS.

True during Regan it made sense to borrow to increase GDP but it also created a DEPENDENCY.

Now what is worse, to build a bathtub to take a bath or to remain the bathtub for days and days until the skin begins to rot?

Democrats don’t have any way to fix the economy except to take it into SOCIALISM – (the result of Republican greedy nature). And that is what they are doing – because they have no other alternative.

In the next few years our financial system will collapse and who knows what new form of authocratic government will come in. Like in Myanmar, I suspect the Navy will take over the government.

And Pat, I don’t blame you for being a Democrat because the Republican Ronald Regan was the one who started the insanity of running DEFICITS in order to stimulate the economy. And since then the Republicans have murdered the country by adding DEFICIT SPENDING as their only idea to keep GDP growing, plus hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS.  
 
True during Regan it made sense to borrow to increase GDP but it also created a DEPENDENCY.  
 
Now what is worse, to build a bathtub to take a bath or to remain the bathtub for days and days until the skin begins to rot?  
 
Democrats don’t have any way to fix the economy except to take it into SOCIALISM – (the result of Republican greedy nature). And that is what they are doing – because they have no other alternative.  
 
In the next few years our financial system will collapse and who knows what new form of authocratic government will come in. Like in Myanmar, I suspect the Navy will take over the government.


And then the YO YO will be over.

Hey, P.O.

I just had breakfast with my highly intelligent older brother who almost allowed his support for BO during the primary and GE ruin our very close relationship.  He is down in the dumps for supporting Thee ONE.  He’s had his awakening.  I didn’t rub it in.

I found this in the morning funnies.  It doesn’t even appear on the editorial pages any more. 

to the tune of “who let the dogs out”: Who let the nuts out? lark,, lark lark lark

Because dead larks can’t sing, I feel sorry for you.  You are lying in the grave that your “post-modern minimalist” philosophy has dug for you.  All young people think their own generation is somehow more and very different from all others.  Then, most people grow up.

I know it’s against your philosophy to do so, but why don’t you study history?  All leaders throughout time have many character traits in common.  The ones who remain revered have a set of characteristics, and the ones who go down in infamy also have certain traits in common. 

Our current times are not really so special that they don’t have different criteria for judging leadership.

Again, as I gave it to P.O., here is another cartoon for you.

Yeah, at 9:30 the Popeyes starts getting the fries out. Get crackin dah Obot. Peoples gotta hab dem frahs.

Never let the crises end. Manufacture one crisis after the next so that just as people begin to cope they get slammed again. Most places in the world call that torture. Torture by overwhelming of the senses. We have seen it used with noise torture, light torture, water torture, sleep deprivation name it and it has been tried by captors. Bu, I ask has not this administration done much of this very same thing to the American people in the name of “change”?

Oooh.. I could really go for a croissant…. mmm  … Sorry

I did not know China was Buddhist. I thought China was anti-Religion. All this time I thought China hated the Dalia Lama. 
 
Lark, it’s so good to have you here to give uas all the correct facts. China has Buddhist compassion. Thanks for that fact Lark. You just can’t get facts like that from the MSM.

Larry mentioned this the other day. Maybe the most pressing issue in the US is not Health Care.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — More than 700 banks, or nearly one out of every 11, are at risk of going under, according to a government report published Tuesday.

Is Health Care going to save the investors of those banks. Nope. Taxpayers will. Unless congress gets its act together.

Samb wrote: “Confuse and overwhelm the people, create chaotic thinking in ordeer to lead the people down the path . . . ”

Yo,  yo ain’t gonna know if yo comin’ o goin’!

That bumper sticker is going to be VERY popular during this election cycle. It will make Scott Stantis very wealthy.

Thanks Croissant

I love it Dianna LC!

Oowawa–you remain priceless!

ML–You and I agree that the country is in trouble and it is not all Obama’s fault by a long shot.  Yet, what needed was a very strong and experienced leader to have a shot at fixing us before we begin to go under.  If you look objectively at Obama’s record, he simply had no leadership experience.  That’s not a slur–it’s the truth.

“The only spinning I see is another NQ poster unwilling to write anything good about the current American president.”

Yeah, remember all those great Pro-Bush diary’s at Dailykos back in the day!

Poor Obamabots. It’s no longer “cool” to be into Obama and his credibility is nose diving. Give it another year and I bet it’ll be hard to find someone who actually claims to have voted for Captain Kumbaya…sort of like those disappearing Bush voters…

And Elizabeth Warren has warned that 3000 community banks are threatened by the looming commercial real estate bust.  She says the Administration needs to get in front of the wave.

Will they?

The Insurance Deposit Fund [FDIC] went negative last quarter.  It just lost another $20.9 Billion [see Market Ticker].  And Denninger has an interesting take on the healthcare package–that it has more to do with creating tax revenue for the gargantuan deficits we have now and will continue to rack up into the future. 

Healthcare?  Not so much.

Links here [from yesterday]:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2010/02/22.html

And here from today’s posting:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Krugman had one thing right.  We are doomed.

Not to worry. Those banks “too big to fail” will take over the banks that are just the right size to fail. Works out perfectly for the already “too big” banks. As far as politicians go, I guess you really do get what you pay for.

“You can’t question the ability to lead on a person who daily comes out”

Last “real” press conf. over 220 days ago! 

I tell you guys… that spinning thing is the speeches. That rhythmic head action, odd cadence and mismatched emphasis is no accident. His speeches have embedded commands and contain subliminal suggestions.

Samb wrote: “Confuse and overwhelm the people, create chaotic thinking in order to lead the people down the path . . . “ 
 
Yo,  yo ain’t gonna know if yo comin’ o goin’!

Pat, First of all, let me be blunt. Last week we had a great leader who sacrificed himself to save our country. His name: Andrew Joseph Stack III. He is dead but he is alive.

The target and smoldering building represents America.
The Cherokee airplane represents the burden Congress is impossing.
The AJS3 represents this Democratic Administration (but it could represent any Administration – Republican or Democrat – invariably both type are about growing a huge unsustainable government.

You simply cannot call Obama innexperienced when he has had over 18 months now of leading the country. So NO that what you said is not the truth – but a SLUR. Obama after 18 months as President is no longer the Obama that ran a campaign nor is he the Obama that was elected in Nov 2008. He is another person altogether. So don’t kid yourself. The man is in charge.

Not Krugman. You mean mortuus lark has it right.

Pat, First of all, let me be blunt. Last week we had a great leader who sacrificed himself to save our country. His name: Andrew Joseph Stack III. He is dead but he is alive.  
 
The target and smoldering building represents America.  
The Cherokee airplane represents the burden Congress is impossing.  
The AJS3 represents this Democratic Administration (but it could represent any Administration – Republican or Democrat – invariably both type are about growing a huge unsustainable government.  
 
You simply cannot call Obama innexperienced when he has had over 18 months now of leading the country. So NO that what you said is not the truth – but a SLUR. Obama after 18 months as President is no longer the Obama that ran a campaign nor is he the Obama that was elected in Nov 2008. He is another person altogether. So don’t kid yourself. The man is in charge.

Yeah, then we can pledge alligience to Goldman Sachs.

Pat, First of all, let me be blunt. Last week we had a great leader who sacrificed himself to save our country. His name: Andrew Joseph Stack III. He is dead but he is alive.    
   
The target and smoldering building represents America.    
The Cherokee airplane represents the burden Congress is impossing.  
The AJS3 represents this Democratic Administration (but it could represent any Administration – Republican or Democrat – invariably both type are about growing a huge unsustainable government.    
   
You simply cannot call Obama innexperienced when he has had over 18 months now of leading the country. So NO that what you said is not the truth – but a SLUR. Obama after 18 months as President is no longer the Obama that ran a campaign nor is he the Obama that was elected in Nov 2008. He is another person altogether. So don’t kid yourself. The man is in charge.

ML–I confess you are confusing me greatly.  Andrew Stack was a sad character to be sure, but to kill and innocent person and destroy property by crashing his plane into an occupied building???  A great leader?  I have far more sympathy for another man upset with the banks who burned down his house (losing $150 in equity of his own money and not killing or injuring anyone).  But as much as these people give a strong message, it is forgotten within a week. 15 minutes of fame atop piles of rubble for others to clean up.

I’s do cartoons to express my frustrations and anger.  The worst things that can happen when I get upset about something I draw is that someone calls me a bad name or insults my intelligence.  I can live with that.  And no one else gets hurt.

New work

out for you

Let me explain something you don’t know to all of you children of Nursery Quarters.

What relationship does Andrew Joseph Stack III has with the now hailed Jobs Bill that Scott Brown is helping to pass? Is there any?

I am sure that most of us here will be in favor of the Jobs Bill that is going to be voted in by Congress and signed by Obama.

Yes, just what we need:  anti-tax law suicide bobers in the U.S.  I am always just dumbfounded by the thought patterns of dead larks.  Is this person pulling our legs?  Is she serious?  But I have come to the conlusion that she is basically a schizophrenic.

Is nothing to be confused about Pat. Congress simply is taxing small and middle size businesses so much that they are making it impossible for them to opperate within the law.

Every fix that Congress is making is falling on small and middle business men and women. Each law makes it more difficult to operate a business successfully. Each law increases the chance of them failing to report correctly and being subjected to IRS penalties.

Had you ever had to deal with the IRS after a slight mistake in your return? They are obnoxious and brutal.

All of these so call fixes that Congress is pushing are simply nightmares for business men and women. Nightmares that for some will push them to self-destruct.

America simply cannot put the burden of fixing society on the backs of business men and women. That is simply unfair.

Small businesses are being told how and what to do by the Federal Government and that is too much for them to follow through.

The result will be businesses and business men and women resorting to SELF DESTRUCT.

Pat, Is nothing to be confused about Pat. Congress simply is taxing small and middle size businesses so much that they are making it impossible for them to opperate within the law.  
 
Every fix that Congress is making is falling on small and middle business men and women. Each law makes it more difficult to operate a business successfully. Each law increases the chance of them failing to report correctly and being subjected to IRS penalties.  
 
Had you ever had to deal with the IRS after a slight mistake in your return? They are obnoxious and brutal.  
 
All of these so call fixes that Congress is pushing are simply nightmares for business men and women. Nightmares that for some will push them to self-destruct.  
 
America simply cannot put the burden of fixing society on the backs of business men and women. That is simply unfair.  
 
Small businesses are being told how and what to do by the Federal Government and that is too much for them to follow through.  
 
The result will be businesses and business men and women resorting to SELF DESTRUCT.

No, the real slur is claiming that an act of insanity is somehow heroic or serving the cause of Liberty.  Did you read Mr. Stack’s final words, the closing lines that were “not” Libertarian or Democratic or Republican:

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Hummm.  Doesn’t sound too Libertarian to me.  In fact, the letter itself is a mad anti-government rant against everything.

Is a “great hero” willing to set his wife and child on fire?  Not in my book.

I suspect you’re reading from a far different text, dead bird, because anyone who can claim that an irrational act is the mark of a great leader needs to check themselves into a clinic. 

Maybe Glenn Beck can make your appointment.

Pat, Is nothing to be confused about Pat. Congress simply is taxing small and middle size businesses so much that they are making it impossible for them to opperate within the law.    
   
Every fix that Congress is making is falling on small and middle business men and women. Each law makes it more difficult to operate a business successfully. Each law increases the chance of them failing to report correctly and being subjected to IRS penalties.    
   
Had you ever had to deal with the IRS after a slight mistake in your return? They are obnoxious and brutal.    
   
All of these so call fixes that Congress is pushing are simply nightmares for business men and women. Nightmares that for some will push them to self-destruct.    
   
America simply cannot put the burden of fixing society on the backs of business men and women. That is simply unfair.    
   
Small businesses are being told how and what to do by the Federal Government and that is too much for them to follow through.    
   
The result will be businesses and business men and women resorting to SELF DESTRUCT.

The American Entrepreneurial culture is going to look like that burning building in Austin.

HaHaHa–When i saw that latest Denninger report on the FDIC, I thought of you Peggy Sue–and I think Portia was wondering about how safe our deposits are with the FDIC nowadays.  Here’s the extended link:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1995-FDIC-Report-We-Were-Broke-And-Getting-Broker.html

What relationship does Andrew Joseph Stack III has with the now hailed Jobs Bill that Scott Brown is helping to pass? Is there any?  
 
I am sure that most of us here will be in favor of the Jobs Bill that is going to be voted in by Congress and signed by Obama.

ROFLMAO–Jane Fonda would have done a good job on this . . .

Pat, Is nothing to be confused about Pat. Congress simply is taxing small and middle size businesses so much that they are making it impossible for them to opperate within the law.      
     
Every fix that Congress is making is falling on small and middle business men and women. Each law makes it more difficult to operate a business successfully. Each law increases the chance of them failing to report correctly and being subjected to IRS penalties.      
     
Had you ever had to deal with the IRS after a slight mistake in your return? They are obnoxious and brutal.      
     
All of these so call fixes that Congress is pushing are simply nightmares for business men and women. Nightmares that for some will push them to self-destruct.      
     
America simply cannot put the burden of fixing society on the backs of business men and women. That is simply unfair.      
     
Small businesses are being told how and what to do by the Federal Government and that is too much for them to follow through.      
     
The result will be businesses and business men and women resorting to SELF DESTRUCT.  
 
The American Entrepreneurial culture is going to look like that burning building in Austin.

Well, I can”t disagree with your last comment post, ML.  Yes, I have had to deal with the IRS once (an audit) and I found it very stressful even though I “passed” with flying colors.  I can imagine how it might be if things were really difficult.

I know people who are losing what they have. It makes me very sick.  Have you seen the toons and stories I have done on such issues?  How every baby is born with a $200,000 bill?  How the most corrupt element of our society is, according to the recent global report on corruption, is our Congress?  How the demographics of the food lines have changed to include middle class people (many of whom have been laid off or lost their home)? 

Here, by the way, is one way Obama could show he is a leader and he does just the opposite.  During the campaign he and Michelle spoke of how we all will have to sacrifice–and yet the way they live is outrageous even for a head of state.  For example, thought nothing about going to Hawaii for Christmas (where Michelle strolls around in those $600 shoes) meaning that all of the huge staff (on our dime) were without their own families on Christmas.  Other Presidents were happy to be at Camp David (which is already just sitting there–not a $4,000 a night rental home) so that the SS and other staff could be with their loved ones.  Sure, this is a symbol (and expensive one for us taxpayers), but the Obamas’ just don’t seem to “get it.”

Pat, Is nothing to be confused about Pat. Congress simply is taxing small and middle size businesses so much that they are making it impossible for them to opperate within the law.      
     
Every fix that Congress is making is falling on small and middle business men and women. Each law makes it more difficult to operate a business successfully. Each law increases the chance of them failing to report correctly and being subjected to IRS penalties.      
     
Had you ever had to deal with the IRS after a slight mistake in your return? They are obnoxious and brutal.      
     
All of these so call fixes that Congress is pushing are simply nightmares for business men and women. Nightmares that for some will push them to self-destruct.      
     
America simply cannot put the burden of fixing society on the backs of business men and women. That is simply unfair.      
     
Small businesses are being told how and what to do by the Federal Government and that is too much for them to follow through.      
     
The result will be businesses and business men and women resorting to SELF DESTRUCT.  
 
The American Entrepreneurial culture is going to look like that burning building in Austin.

Common man
The “plain folks” or “common man” approach attempts to convince the audience that the propagandist’s positions reflect the common sense of the people. It is designed to win the confidence of the audience by communicating in the common manner and style of the target audience. Propagandists use ordinary language and mannerisms (and clothe their message in face-to-face and audiovisual communications) in attempting to identify their point of view with that of the average person. For example, a propaganda leaflet may make an argument on a macroeconomic issue, such as unemployment insurance benefits, using everyday terms: “Given that the country has little money during this recession, we should stop paying unemployment benefits to those who do not work, because that is like maxing out all your credit cards during a tight period, when you should be tightening your belt.”- Wikipedia

How deeply foolish. The crap Reid cut was $75 billion in special-interest GOP pork. What’s left is almost entirely tax cuts for small businesses, especially those that hire long-term unemployed workers. It’s a good bill, but way too small. 

Congress simply is taxing small and middle size businesses so much that they are making it impossible for them to opperate within the law.        
       
Every fix that Congress is making is falling on small and middle business men and women. Each law makes it more difficult to operate a business successfully. Each law increases the chance of them failing to report correctly and being subjected to IRS penalties.        
       
Had you ever had to deal with the IRS after a slight mistake in your return? They are obnoxious and brutal.        
       
All of these so call fixes that Congress is pushing are simply nightmares for business men and women. Nightmares that for some will push them to self-destruct.        
       
America simply cannot put the burden of fixing society on the backs of business men and women. That is simply unfair.        
       
Small businesses are being told how and what to do by the Federal Government and that is too much for them to follow through.        
       
The result will be businesses and business men and women resorting to SELF DESTRUCT.    
   
The American Entrepreneurial culture is going to look like that burning building in Austin.

And that was what Regan used to criticize Democrats with. REGULATIONS

http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-bff-likes-idea-of-simple-booklets-to-educate-typical-tea-partiers/

I wonder if the new bio will go all the way back to the gleam in his mother’s and father’s eyes during the 1965 march on Selma, which resulted in his miraculous birth 4 years earlier . . .

http://www.dailytopseven.com/readmore.php?newsid=MTQ2NA==

Backtrack is backtracking again on taxes

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

You know what? As I’ve written here before in recent weeks, to a pretty large degree, I’ve been very disappointed in Obama as well. He has been way too cautious as President, way too accommodating of a Republican Party that has passed over into sheer venomous pathology, way too willing to throw true progressive policy under the bus (see, I’ll even use your favorite phrase). If he had been more of an effective leader, in my opinion, we would have had a good health care bill last year, before Scott Brown was even elected. 

However: the Democratic Party is still the only grownup party we have in our government. And the White House does have some major victories in its ledger, most notably the fact that we went from the verge of a new Depression to decent economic growth and incipient recovery, and of course his extremely strong performance as commander in chief (most notably the massive victories we’re now rolling up against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, as Larry has acknowledged repeatedly here). 

Now we really, REALLY need this health care bill. If the Democrats can grow a spine and pass it without the idiot Republicans, I think we will do much better in this fall’s elections than most people currently suppose. And Obama will be on his way to reelection. 

Is Bellevue late with you meds again Lark? Thank god we still have places to put violent schizophrenics like you.

Wonderful cartoon and write-up. 
I am not sure what people expected from a man who said he would not run for president because he could not find the men’s bathroom in the Senate Office building, and once he did he decided he was now qualified to be the president.  Since I believe Obama is a very smart person, you know this idea of being president could not have been his original thought. 
So now we are surprised that this man who found  the bathroom as Senator, thus qualifying  him to run for and successfully win the presidency, is all over the map?  Did no one have a hint that others may be pulling his strings and that maybe this is why things look so strange?
I suggest another theory.  Maybe this up-and-down is the result of Obama attempting to pull his own strings, which may cause his actions to be different than those of the original puppet masters.  Therefore even though this may be hard on Democrats and even the country, it might turn out to be a good thing in the long run.  Or is this me looking for the pony in the shit pile?
Rich

It’s hard to say anything on this board without being shot down by someone.  Debate is fine, but no point to be nasty….unless you have no control.   Civility seems to be increasingly dead.

I applaud your boldness and the eloquent statements your cartoons and presentations make, Pat.  You are not afraid to take a chance that someone may take potshots at you.   Don’t back off.

Personally, I think Obama is trying to lead, but comes of as a bit of an amateur.  He has accomplished a few things. He’s trying to find ways to maneuver among the blocks and hazards in his way.  If he is going to get much more done, he will have to learn the art of compromise.  He will never be able to get everything he wants or promised.  There are too many people determined to bring him down. 

He does have 3 more years as president, so I say give the man a chance.  Give him some good advice  He keeps asking for better ideas.  Throw something besides hate into the hopper and maybe something good will happen.

Doc, on ONE level Obama is a brand, and they’ll keep selling it as long as nitwits like Prime Obot and Lark keep buying it.

On other levels, Obama is far worse than the latest fad. “Pet Rocks” and “Cabbage Patch Kids” weren’t marketed in an attempt to destroy the Constitution and completely restructure the greatest country ever, into an oppressing Marxist nightmare.

Several days ago I heard that Obama and pals were trying to whip up renewed fear about the H1N1 flu. I turned to my son and told him that it was more than likely a deliberate distraction meant to draw our attention away from something they don’t want us to focus on. The radical progressives in power want to keep the public in a constant state of fear over fictional threats like an H1N1 flu pandemic, AGW, petroleum shortages, and MILLIONS DYING from lack of insurance, so that the terrified public almost begs the government to protect them, and they’ll pay any price for that protection, including the sacrifice of our liberties, and allowing huge swaths of the private market to fall under government control.

The yo-yo effect is no accident, it is intentional, it keeps everything off balance. The future of our government, and anything associated with it’s power, has become a complete mystery. This is precisely the opposite of what the founding fathers intended when they created a Constitution that would guarantee long term confidence regarding our government, it’s powers, and our rights. Now we’re all in a bewildering haze regarding our futures. In violation of the Constitution, will we be required from fear of penalty to purchase health insurance? Will we say goodbye to the second amendment? Can we make reasonable business decisions when we have no clear understanding where such a fickle, and ignorant bunch of 60′s radical ideologues plans on taking this country? The endless parade of threats, some real, some manufactured, is meant to wear us all down to the point where we throw our hands up in surrender. In the hands of this current bunch, the government that was originally set up, above all else, to protect our individual liberties from ANY threats, has ironically become the greatest threat to those liberties.

Only someone with severe mental illness (Prime Obot, Mortuus Lark) could believe that the progressive/Marxist goal of the Obamunists is worth trying.    

“now hailed Jobs Bill”

Don’t they have newspapers in Bellevue Lark? Don’t they let you watch any news, or is it CN all day long for you Looneytunes?

In case you missed it the jobs bill is being hailed by very few. Reid slashed any meaning from it. He even slashed extionsion of unemployment benefits.

Reid pared down the jobs bill from $85 billion to $15 billion. Washington drips that much from their leaky toilets. The remaining $15 billion is pure lard.

The only reason Reid cut the bill was to spite Republicans. We can’t have too many Republicans voting for bills that benefit the country now, can we?

Are we sure which father we’re talking about here?

I’m not sure Obama ever found the restroom because he keeps piling the shit higher and higher.

Speak for yourself. Some of the people say things here precisely so they will be shot down. How else can you explain Lark and Obot. No one really holds those opinions. The believers left Obotland long ago.

Hope you get something accomplished today, PO.  Unlike your idol PTOTUS, you may actually have to produce.

Evidently the New York banks are pretty healthy…

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/banker-bonuses-major-wall-street-profits-comeback-2009/story?id=9913861

Worth repeating:

The yo-yo effect is no accident, it is intentional, it keeps everything off balance. The future of our government, and anything associated with it’s power, has become a complete mystery. This is precisely the opposite of what the founding fathers intended when they created a Constitution that would guarantee long term confidence regarding our government, it’s powers, and our rights.

Excellent synopsis, Onofre’s arm.

Obama’s speeches key on the word “I” so much not because Obama is a narcissist. He is, but he doesn’t write his own material. No, the focus is on “I” because the intention is to plant the thought as if it were coming from within the head of the person hearing it. The prompter is needed to keep track of the words to emphasize and to control the flow of start-stop. Nobody who didn’t write the material himself could do that without the prompter. This is why TOTUS is everywhere and when it stops, then so does Obama. It doesn’t work if it isn’t delivered just so. It is all smoke and mirror deception. It is used car salesmanship or cheesy over the top evangelism bumped up to the national audience level.

Funny, I didn’t see anyone complaining when Bush did nothing BUT golf on his free time.

Wow, someone with an actualy post without bashing Obama of his supporters, I’m shocked. Thanks for that.

That, Donx, is called magical thinking.  ”…maybe something good will happen.”?

Obama doesn’t care to be a team player for America, his agenda, yes, the rest of the country, no.  Narcissists do not learn the “art of compromise”.

The sooner he is politically neutralized starting now with opposition and the Nov. elections, the better for the whole.  

what a rip off. What? can’t make up your own logo?

Oh, so now the new bot meme is “All we are saying is give him a chance.”

I’ll give him advice: drop the health care legislation now.

Focus on the economy.

Get rid of Valerie and the rah rah gallery.

Such petty insults. How old are you, 12?

Bush golfed on FREE TIME!! Obama has yet to have ANY WORK TIME! The difference is that Bush actually did some work.

Yes, our system of government is being cloward-piven’d right now. The same negative energy that led to bad home lending in the inner cities and that led to our nobody can fail educational system now hac control of it all. Is it any wonder we are all bleeding red white and blue right now?

I’m curious as to your political philosophy, so allow me a hypothetical.  If Congress could accurately ascertain that the majority of Americans were opposed to a bill (for whatever reason, including mass ignorance), but the majority of those in Congress felt very strongly that the bill was in the best interests of the United States, do you feel that Congress had a moral obligation to pass the bill for what they believed to be the good of the people?

This is a useful post Neko. It demonstrates the deep effects of Bush derangement syndrome when it’s victims unabashedly repeat easily disprovable statements like “Bush did nothing BUT golf on his free time”. In one year, Obama has played more golf than Bush played in eight years in office. Bush gave it up as a frivolity in respect to the efforts and sacrifice of our military. What luxuries has Obama given up? In this regard, the two men are quite different. While Bush had an increasingly modest lifestyle in office (unless you think clearing brush on his ranch is on par with Broadway lights and Wagu beef) and Laura was beautifully understated, Obama and his wife have rather shamefully ramped up the opulence during a time of national hardship.

The reason why you “didn’t see anyone complaining when Bush did nothing BUT golf…” is that it was not the case. 

why is no one asking if we are mandated to buy health insurance now that wont kick in until 2014 AND continue paying for our current health ins. at the same time..does this sound right? or fair? many people who are out of work can barely  afford  the ins. they have now, let alone pay double. why is no one questioning this???

And in order to take us to socialism, it may be necessary for Democrats to suspend the Constitution and for us to be ruled by intellectually-qualified elite political cadres who understand these dynamics and are capabile of acting unilaterally in our best interests, whether or not we like it.  Yep, I get it, Lark.  But why don’t we just say it, instead of hiding behind the facade of continued particiaption by the largely ignorant masses in government? 

Plus if you have a policy to pay for use now or just paying out of your empty pocket,its a double whammy!

But look at Jane Fonda today. Married to a media mogul. She married “the man” she was protesing as a youth. Makes you wonder really, if Jane Fonda wasn’t just somebody’s tool back then. Then again, maybe she still is. Who knows?

Actually, technically speaking, Obama has only been in charge of the country for 13 months, but I understand what you are saying.  Do you think that the AJS3 operation was actually planned and executed by the Obama White House, much like 9/11 was planned and executed by the Bush White House?  Is there any message in the fact that AJS3 used a small, fuel-efficient private aircraft, while Bush’s 9/11 operators used four carbon-spewing commercial airliners?  I’m all for limiting carbon output, but I think that Obama might have made a bigger “splash” with the AJS3 operation if he had, say, used a regional jet, instead.  at do you think? 

So that by the time we find out what a screw job it is, we will have already bought and paid for it for several years. We could undo it then, and lose what we have paid in, or go with and embrace the screw job and hope it works out. It won’t. A screw job is a screw job. Nothing this administration says is true and nothing they do is above board.

“All we are saying is give him a chance.”

The Nobel prize committee was imaginatively morphing John Lennon with Barack Obama with Jesus Christ with MLK, Jr., in a similar fashion when they crowned Thee One “The Prince of Peace.”

“All Thee One is saying, is give peace a chance.”

They bought the illusion–blinded by the light.

“All we are saying is give him a chance.” 
 
The Nobel prize committee was imaginatively morphing John Lennon with Barack Obama with Jesus Christ with MLK, Jr., in a similar fashion when they crowned Thee One “The Prince of Peace.” 
 
“All Thee One is saying, is give peace a chance.” 
 
They bought the illusion–blinded by the light–perhaps the last gasp of the romantic longing for the dawning of the Age of Aquarius . . .

And I’m beginning to detect an undertone of absolute glee in your statements, dead bird.  You talk in circles and that seems to be the point.

You’re a fraud!  You want to play ugly head games with people?  Check yourself into a mental health clinic.

You’ll be Queen Bee. 

“but the majority of those in Congress felt very strongly that the bill was in the best interests of the United States, do you feel that Congress had a moral obligation to pass the bill for what they believed to be the good of the people?”

Your question is flawed, your first premise is to propound what is good for the United States and then assumes a moral superiority upon members of Congress over that of the people.  William C. Durant once reputedly said what is good for the country is good for GM and what is good for GM is good for the country.

Pat, thanks for reminding me about Camp David. It reminds me that I used to have a summer cabin  about 100 miles out and spent all my holidays there. I still can’t afford to go to Hawaii.
And don’t get me started on the Obamas’ unconcern for their staff.

I don’t think his question is flawed at all, I think it’s an interesting and important question. And my answer is simple: Yes, Congressmen and women have a moral obligation to cast the votes they feel are best for the country, regardless of public opinion. And I say that independent of party or the current debate, though the current health care debate is certainly a fine example of it. 

What is maddening about our current moment is that the public option is by far the most popular aspect of the current swirl of health care reform possibilities, and it’s the one proposal that too many Democrats are afraid to touch. My fear is that that is because many of them (including the White House) are too afraid of putting themselves at a major fundraising disadvantage, given that the health insurance industry is the 2nd largest corporate political donor (after Wall Street), and the recent catastrophic Supreme Court decision makes those considerations ever more important. 

Today Gibbs just ruled out a public option as part of the looming reconciliation strategy for passing health care without the support of any Republicans. Is this a wise concession to political reality (even though the public option is more popular than the bill in general), or is it the White House refusing to take an important policy step because it would hurt them financially in their 2012 planning? 

I don’t know, but my suspicion that it is the latter makes me like Obama a LOT less than I did during the 2008 campaign. He is still, oh, about a million times better than any conceivable Republican president, though. 

Wrong. Give it another year and his position will have strengthened considerably, as the economy recovers, the Taliban is obliterated and health care reform passes and begins to be implemented. 

Once they pass “anything” it will then morph. It would one thing if this administeration had integrity… if their word meant anything at all. But it doesn’t. As you are seeing yourself, it’s all about the “win”. His “win” and his “game”. It is and has always been just about him from the time Oprah rolled him out as “the one”. He is a “party of one”.

I hope people have jobs by then. Not people in China and India, and not imported cheap labor people, but actual Americans who were both born and raised here. I hope they have jobs by then.

Me too Docelder. It would have been much better if Obama hadn’t kow-towed to the Republicans last year and passed a much bigger stimulus package. The nonsense we hear here and elsewhere notwithstanding, virtually all economists acknowledge that the stimulus bill (and the bailouts, of course) probably kept the entire planet out of another Great Depression. We needed a lot more deficit spending. We need a lot more now. Obama’s fetish for trying to pretend the Republicans will ever be anything more than obstructionist enemies of his administration who will fight for his failure above all other values is hurting America, badly.  

Thanks for this good response, Pat. Nice to see that there may be more adult thinkers here than I sometimes believe. 

AJS3 self-destructed to leave a message to Congress. And the message is that small business cannot operate under so many rules.

If this Congress keeps saddling businesses with fixes for the economy, many small business man and women out there will resort to self-destruct as their way out.

We are a society filled with self-destruct behavior. It is not far fetched to see self employed people just destroying themselves and their businesses when they find they are unable to cope with regulations.

Are you kidding Neko?  Democats were down on Bush for seemingly spending more time in Texas on his ranch than at the White House.  At least it was his ranch and not some fancy place that we all had to pay for.

Hey, O has already golfed more in the short time that he has been POTUS than W did in two years.  I’ll complain about that.

help create tens of thousands of jobs…..
YO YO

Put down the hopium pipe and get some fresh air. They had a philibuster proof majority for a damn year, and couldn’t get anything passed! George Dumbass Bush had a majority by 1 vote and rammed any crap he wanted through! And they are both the same corrupt morons, just different packaging!! Face it P.O. Bush thought he had a direct line to god…Obama thinks he IS god. Bush thought it would be a good idea to pay murdering mecenaries (blackwater) to run security in Iraq…Obama thinks the same group of murdering mercenaries (Blackwater) should replace the US troops in Iraq!!!

If you really want to get your head around NQ’ers, and understand us better…Think about this. I have been to the middle east, served in desert shield/desert storm. And talked to people just average people, and soldiers in countries like Yemen. And I can tell you with first hand knowledge. They do not hate Americans…they hate American politicians! The world knows…that despite the (self proclaimed) small amount of political corruption in America. That American politicians are among the most corrupt in the world. So when those corrupt politicians from BOTH parties! Conspire against a single candidate…That is who we need as President. And in case you’ve forgotten..It was Hillary that had corrupt idiots from both parties conspiring against her! That little Democrat for a day deal, orchestrated by the GOP and aided by Obama is all the proof you need!

“Yes, Congressmen and women have a moral obligation to cast the votes they feel are best for the country, regardless of public opinion.” 

No say it and say it loudly for all to hear… you applaud all the Democrats in Congress who gave near unanimous approval of the Iraqi Freedom Act in 1998 and signed into law by Pres. Clinton to seek removal of Saddam Hussein by any means possible and who later to gave that same approval to GWB to invade Iraq to implement such removal of Saddam Hussein from power, all in the best interests of the United States of America despite strong and vocal public disapproval to the contrary.

Oooooo, this is a priceless admission on your part Botfly. You think Congress has a moral obligation to vote for what they think is best, regardless of public opinion. I agree, that is what distinguishes a Representative Republic from pure democratic, or mob rule. Of course, the Constitution exists to protect individuals from the capricious rulings of elitist groups like Congress, and to prevent any majority of the public from preying upon smaller groups or individuals in immoral or illegal ways. As an example, it is immoral, unethical, and UNCONSTITUTIONAL to slam a few wealthy individuals with outrageous taxes, based solely on the demands of the masses, or the selfish desire for re-election of a government representative. A progressive like you will never understand this because you operate from a self entitled sense of superiority derived from the warped foundational attitude that property, wealth, and natural resources belong equally to everyone, regardless of the individual efforts spent in creating, developing, acquiring, and maintaining that property, wealth, and natural resource. Progressive=Marxist.

In any case, since you admit that a few elected representatives can, and should, make decisions based on their personal belief of what’s best, often in defiance of the wishes of the majority of the public, will you review and delete the countless posts where you’ve used an ad populum argument to support your positions? How many times have you made statements that start with “Most economists agree that…” or “The majority of the people want…….”? You bemoan the fact that a public option has been dropped out of political expediency “(even though the public option is more popular than the bill in general)”, yet in the same post you admit that what is liked by the public majority is not necessarily the correct course. You’re a mess of contradictions because the basic premise of your, and ALL of the progressive belief system, is fatally flawed. What you believe to be an enlightened and altruistic view of the world, is actually a childlike ignorance of harsh realities and human nature. You’re a simpleton and a fool, and every post you present, further proves your skin thick intellect.    

Oooooo, this is a priceless admission on your part Botfly. You think Congress has a moral obligation to vote for what they think is best, regardless of public opinion. I agree, that is what distinguishes a Representative Democracy from pure democratic, or mob rule. Of course, the Constitution exists to protect individuals from the capricious rulings of elitist groups like Congress, and to prevent any majority of the public from preying upon smaller groups or individuals in immoral or illegal ways. As an example, it is immoral, unethical, and UNCONSTITUTIONAL to slam a few wealthy individuals with outrageous taxes, based solely on the demands of the masses, or the selfish desire for re-election of a government representative. A progressive like you will never understand this because you operate from a self entitled sense of superiority derived from the warped foundational attitude that property, wealth, and natural resources belong equally to everyone, regardless of the individual efforts spent in creating, developing, acquiring, and maintaining that property, wealth, and natural resource. Progressive=Marxist.  
 
In any case, since you admit that a few elected representatives can, and should, make decisions based on their personal belief of what’s best, often in defiance of the wishes of the majority of the public, will you review and delete the countless posts where you’ve used an ad populum argument to support your positions? How many times have you made statements that start with “Most economists agree that…” or “The majority of the people want…….”? You bemoan the fact that a public option has been dropped out of political expediency “(even though the public option is more popular than the bill in general)”, yet in the same post you admit that what is liked by the public majority is not necessarily the correct course. You’re a mess of contradictions because the basic premise of your, and ALL of the progressive belief system, is fatally flawed. What you believe to be an enlightened and altruistic view of the world, is actually a childlike ignorance of harsh realities and human nature. You’re a simpleton and a fool, and every post you present, further proves your skin thick intellect.    

“All the way with LBJ got us in the mess we’re in today”  Why do so many assume all history started with Obama, or with GWB or Reagan, is it because of a narrow frame of reference and inability to look past it?  LBJ had the treasury department printing presses on overtime cranking out new dollars that fed an inflationary-recessionary cycle that lasted well into Reagan’s first term. Remember Nixon ordering wage/price controls or the 14% home mortgage rates and 22% auto loan rates under Carter?

“ it may be necessary for Democrats to suspend the Constitution and for us to be ruled by intellectually-qualified elite political cadres”

Since the Constitution is a contract among sovereign States under which they agree with each other to cede limited rights and obligations to the federal government and retain all other rights and obligations for themselves, any repudiation of the Constitution by the federal government must legally result in a reversion of the granted rights and duties back to the sovereign States who shall from that time forward exist as fifty separate countries until any such new alliances are formed by mutual agreement.

One more point, under your formulation, who would be an intellectually=qualified elite?  Are only self styled progressives or socialists intellectually qualified? But what then of highly educated and extremely intellectual classical school liberals and conservatives (who are not the corporatist neo-libs and Wilsonian neo-cons predominant today)?  Under your criteria, would William F. Buckley if alive today pass muster as an intellectually qualified elite?

Thanks!  Great post!

Geoff, I think Retired’s post is a snarky response to another one of Mortuus Lark’s idiotic and demented comments.

And not only would William F. Buckley pass muster, he could be the standard for the intellectually qualified.

“Wilsonian neo-cons..”? Wilson was what we would call today an “Ultra-liberal”. 

Onofre… an excerpt from Foreign Policy in an article entitled The Carter Syndrome dated January 4, 2010.  A search in foreignpolicy.com should reveal the full text.

“U.S. presidents see the world through the eyes of four giants: Alexander Hamilton, Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Jefferson, and Andrew Jackson. Hamiltonians share the first Treasury secretary’s belief that
a strong national government and a strong military should pursue a realist global policy and that the government can and should promote economic development and the interests of American business at home and abroad. Wilsonians agree with Hamiltonians on the need for a global foreign policy, but see the promotion of democracy and human rights as the core elements of American grand strategy. Jeffersonians dissent from this globalist consensus; they want the United States to minimize its commitments and, as much as possible, dismantle the national-security state. Jacksonians are today’s Fox News watchers. They are populists suspicious of Hamiltonian business links, Wilsonian do-gooding, and Jeffersonian weakness.

Moderate Republicans tend to be Hamiltonians. Move right toward the Sarah Palin range of the party and the Jacksonian influence grows. Centrist Democrats tend to be interventionist-minded Wilsonians, while on the left and the dovish side they are increasingly Jeffersonian, more interested in improving American democracy at home than exporting it abroad.

Some presidents build coalitions; others stay close to one favorite school. As the Cold War ended, George H.W. Bush’s administration steered a largely Hamiltonian course, and many of those Hamiltonians later dissented from his son’s war in Iraq. Bill Clinton’s administration in the 1990s mixed Hamiltonian and Wilsonian tendencies. This dichotomy resulted in bitter administration infighting when those ideologies came into conflict — over humanitarian interventions in the Balkans and Rwanda, for example, and again over the relative weight to be given to human rights and trade in U.S. relations with China.

More recently, George W. Bush’s presidency was defined by an effort to bring Jacksonians and Wilsonians into a coalition; the political failure of Bush’s ambitious approach created the context that made the Obama presidency possible.”

Neo-cons are interventionist Wilsonians who went so far left they came around full circle on the right and embraced Jackson.  Read FDR’s Four Freedoms speech (State of the Union Jan. 6, 1941), especially the part about the folly of appeasement of dictators and the need to spread freedom.  Neo-con GWB could be heard repeating those same words of classically liberal FDR.

PO said: “However: the Democratic Party is still the only grownup party we have in our government.”

Let me tell you this story:  Once upon a time there was a very tiny kingdom, so tiny there was only one well where every one drew water to drink.  It was ruled by a kindly king whom every subject loved except the one witch who hated the king.  One day the witch concocted a potion that he poured into the well and every one who drank water from the well became insane.  That day, the king, who usually wakes up late, was the only one who hadn’t drunk any of the water. He woke up to a great murmuring; all of his subjects were gathered outside his bedroom window and when he listened intently, he learned they were all saying “the king is insane.”  Figuring that it must have been the water, he ordered some to be fetched and he drank the water and became insane.  All his subjects shouted for joy saying, “the king has regained his sanity!”

The healthcare provisions (except the taxes) won’t be in effect until 2014.

Several questions felizarte. 1. Were the letters MSNBC written on the well? 2. Did the witch drink from the well? 3. When will M. Night Shyamalan make the movie?

You sound like a Republican.  Block him. Bring him down.

You have 3 more years of Obama….unless you impeach him.

Ah, inconsiderable wretch, love your blogname!  And love your totally appropriate avatar!

Republicans have 3 more years of Obama…unless you impeach him or he resigns, neither of which is likely.  If anything is to get done during the administration, each side of the aisle will have to give up somehing.  Compromise is necessary to avoid complete gridlock.  Republicans and democrats both need to learn that.

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Gridlock is greatly preferable to any more leftward movement. 

With whom is the public option popular and where are the data?  Perhaps the public option is popular with the left wing of the Democratic party but it’s pretty clear that that group doesn’t represent the majority of U.S. voters.

And why the assumption that U.S. Senators and Representatives ”act in the best interest of the country” as opposed to the best interests of A) their state or district constituents (which is VERY different from the “interests of the country”) or b) “special lobby friends”?

A good President is supposed to compel legislators to act in the name of the country over and above local constituency and special interests – but in order to that, the President has to clearly have the American people en masse behind him, and Obama, whatever you think of him, has fallen pitifully short in that area.

A President either gets leadership or doesn’t and a real leader doesn’t blame who came before him or his present adversaries. End of story.

To don x: I’ll say what I said all throughout the 2008 campaign: the office of President of the United States in NO PLACE for amateurs. What do you think this is – McDonalds, where you might try to train somebody to competently flip hamburgers after a year or two?

I don’t want any President of mine to have to go through on-the-job training when he’s got his finger on the nuclear button and is ultimately responsible for the orientation of national policy. Besides, I have come to the conclusion that because of his heightened sense of importance and infallibility, Obama will never learn what it takes to be an effective President. Rather than “hope” he can “change,” I say just make sure we limit the damage and get him out after one term.

“You sound like a Republican”

Is that supposed to be an insult? How about these golden obot oldies:

You’re a r*c!st.
You’re bitter.
You people…. wow. Just wow.
You are all about hate. Just hate.
Pathetic. Just pathetic.

Aren’t your energizer obot batteries worn out yet. Yes, gridlock. I’m all for it. I will vote for Rebublicans to stop Obama. And he will be stopped. If he can’t take the pressure of a full time job, he can resign and let the VP take over.

Obama is bad for our country. We have three branches of government for a reason. Americans want checks and balances, and a divided government is the best way to slow the Obama train wreck down.

Pat, I use to have a “butterfly” yoyo. You know, the one made out of really hard plastic?

My mates and I would “duel” with them; flickin them at each other like a lizard going for a insect. POP! (ouch)

I really liked “rock the baby” and the “dog walk”, but BO is an expert at “makin ‘em sleep”.

I would respect BO even if he was consistant, even as I strongly disagree with what BO isn’t and will never be. Respected.

Ouch!

As I’ve written here before in recent weeks, to a pretty large degree, I’ve been very disappointed in Obama as well.

@ retired; might a I take a gander at an answer to a basic question you as of Pbot?

Ya, okay, Ms. Rand. I enjoyed your post quite a bit until the part where the ad hominems began. I’m a simpleton and a fool, eh? I could call you names as well, but since your sentences are roughly as articulate as mine I’ll spare myself the embarrassment of exposing my own need to cast insults to bolster my arguments. 

The Constitution exists to protect Americans from illegal laws, yes. But until the Supreme Court rules the income tax illegal, I’d say that your assertion that progression taxation is unconstitutional (let alone immoral) is highly questionable. And your assertion that my progressive premises (I assume you’re referring to my belief that some redistribution of wealth is acceptable, like Social Security and Medicare, most notably) render everything else I say pointless is, well, a conversation ender. If you’re a strict libertarian, you have no truck with either party (lord knows the Republicans have no greater libertarian bona fides in these recent decades than the Dems; in fact, if you count civil liberties, the GOP is inarguably more oppressive of individual freedom), which leads me to wonder what you yourself are doing on this site, the vast majority of whose members are supporters of Hillary Clinton, who if anything is even more progressive than Obama. 

I have no idea what you mean by your ad populum argument. Because I believe Congressmen should vote their intellect and conscience, therefore I can’t make shorthand assertions like “most economists think the stimulus worked?” What does one have to do with the other? Your comment about “most people think” is on somewhat firmer ground. But if you read me more carefully (and despite your apparent belief that I’m a simpleton, I think you’ll find that my thoughts have been, well, thought) you’ll learn that I rarely if ever raise public opinion as a reason a given policy is wise or foolish; I do raise public opinion as evidence in arguments about political wisdom or political foolishness, which really isn’t the same thing, now, is it? 

The public option has been getting well over 50% in virtually every public opinion poll taken for months now. Surf to your heart’s content: 

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=public+option+poll

The same cannot be said for the current bills that together form the amorphous entity the public dimly knows as Obamacare. Support for *that* (whatever it turns out to be) goes from just over 50% to down into the 40s. Oh well. It has been a brutal political season. Congress needs to pass it anyway. 

la la la la la…..

You stick your left wing in,
You pull your left wing out,
You put your left wing in and shake it all about!

la la la la la…….

As I’ve written here before in recent weeks, to a pretty large degree, I’ve been very disappointed in Obama as well. 
 
@ retired; might a I take a gander at an answer to the striking but fundemental  question you ask of Pbot? 

Hey oowawa, you know how we’ve compared Obama to a slab of cheese, and observed that this Emperor has no clothes. Perhaps the chant should be, “All we are saying, is give Cheese some pants!”

Dude, I respect and thank you (truly) for your service, but I don’t respect your apparent belief that Hillary Clinton would be pursuing markedly different policies than Barack Obama, had she won the presidency. She wouldn’t. Whether she would have been a better president is now open to question. I’ll admit that in 2007 I was pretty sure that Obama would be the better president (though I would have happily voted for and supported HRC if she’d won the primary), and now I’m not so sure. He’s been disappointing in a number of ways. 

I do think Hillary might still become president someday. Like, 2016.

I find it hilarious how many NQers rail about Obama and socialism. Where is the evidence that this guy has any interest whatsoever in instituting socialism? His administration has passed up every single opportunity to move American law significantly in the direction of socialism. Take over the banks? No thanks. Even more toughly regulate the banks? No thanks. Push for a public health insurance option, which is incontrovertibly the most popular aspect of health care reform? No thanks. And yet, to much of the NQ population, Obama is a socialist. Why? I haven’t the faintest clue. 

BPot…about those Taliban.

 Are you that naive to think that they will be “obliterated”? Or is it lost on you that Charlie Wilson went to his grave with the end game in Afghanistan still FUBAR?

You think BO’s 9000 mile long scewdriver is any better than Rumsfield? He took his bloody time responding to the diplomatic and military advice he wass given. AND YES, I mean bloody.

and the immortal;
“ if Obama hadn’t kow-towed to the Republicans last year” ROLF!

He had both houses, so it isn’t that he kow-towed at all. He has no balls with which to do so. So as “different” as the Repuclicans have become, quit blaming someone else for your choices. OWN THEM. He got punked all by his own lonesome ;W.O.R.M.

He’s still there No Longer Banned in Beantown?

I thought he’d be long gone by now…it twenty a year since I escaped from NY and last I saw him…of course that was in 1982 or 83… He was this funny looking hedge hog of a guy, with big ears and no listening skills who kept yelling at the top of his lungs “Hope!” and “Change”….. I thought he was afflicted with turrerts and took pity on him…let me see…mmm oh. here it is…
 I have a photograph of him.

One of the Last of the Obots said: 

I recognize that for some NQers, apparently like yourself, it’s too intellectually taxing to have to listen to actual arguments from those who hold different views; you’d rather just coast down these threads reading insults about Obama and not thinking too hard about why doing so makes you feel good inside

Wow – I think you have a lot of nerve.  I don’t know the actual stats, but most people here seem to be Hillary supporters.  We went through h*ll in the last election, evaluating first the primary contestants, and then after witnessing the primary cheating and theft, many of us left the dem party and became independent.  That took huge cognitive and emotional energy and decision making.  Then we had to do further soul searching to decide how to vote in the general election.  We have put enormous energy into thinking about the issues, and from day one, have had to wrestle with increasingly obnoxious (and even violence-threatening) obots. 

The dems, former dems, and yes, the republicans who come here put plenty of thought into current events.  How dare you accuse a Hillary supporter of feeling intellectually taxed when confronted with differing viewpoints.  For heaven’s sake, if anyone doesn’t put thought into their viewpoints, it’s the wingers, who play follow the leader, and instead of putting thought into issues, just go to other websites to harass people who believe differently.

Check out Bob Schieffer’s interview with Colin Powell where he stresses the need for compromise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnJckMVHEQY

“All we are saying, is give Cheese some Pants”

Love it!  It’s especially apt, since Thee One styles himself as a savior of mankind, like a modern day Cheesus.

Oops. It appears whoever put this clip together deliberately  cut out the part of the interview where Powell stresses the need for compromise in the House and Senate.  Also where he says positive things about Obama’s performance to date.  I saw the actual interview on TV.   Did you?

Except in toone town….

owawa, lay off the “Black Sabbath” k? =-O

NO ADULTS!

Lets face it. The only one in the Obama Administration that is not a YO YO is Hillary Clinton. She is constantly DOWN and a consistent failure. And regretfully, Obama has been carrying the entire weight of the few successes that the U.S. have had lately.

When will Obama get the courage to ask Hillary to spend more time with Bill?

Lets face it. The only one in the Obama Administration that is not a YO YO is Hillary Clinton. She is constantly DOWN and a consistent failure. And regretfully, Obama has been carrying the entire weight of the few successes that the U.S. have had lately. 
 
When will Obama get the courage to ask Hillary to spend more time with Bill?

Is that a RED shirt he’s wearing in this picture? We could only hope that he suffers the fate of all “Star Trek” red shirts, gone before the first commercial break.

The U.S. now will fight religion with missiles.

http://www.mda.mil/index.html

Obama Administration is going to throw Toyota CEO in jail.

Hopefully Toyota CEO purchased a hara-kiri do it yourself kit.

Yo Yo prices of cars to begin to show up after these hearings. And a little Toyota Corolla to go up to 50 thousand dollars very very soon. All other brands to follow that.

Yo Yo prices of cars to begin to show up after these hearings. And a little Toyota Corolla to go up to 50 thousand dollars very very soon. All other brands to follow that.


And then during the next election cycle Obama will promise the crowds that the next Obama Administration will step down on rising automobile prices and create an Executive Order to ‘price control’ automobile price hikes.

Yo Yo payments on interest for safety in America.

How much of the price of an item goes for safety and claims of wrongfulness?

How much do your interest payments goes for safety and claims of wrongfulness?

All because the educational system does not teach people to think.

Congress pushes Toyota to increase the price of their vehicles sold in America by making better cars and increase their quality.

Toyota answers: YES.

The orders for new Toyotas by yuppies are starting to flow in.

Middle income Americans can forget about having a new Toyota.

Lloyds of London planning to go broke on paying compensation for claims from Toyota owners. All business and industry insurance in America to shut up 100 percent in the next 5 years.

Hipocrisy you asked? GOP Congressmen want to increase the size of NHTSA government regulators to infinite number in order that each and all malfunctions worldwide be reported to the U.S. governemt.

So Obama increased NHTSA by 66 new employees for 2011. But Republicans want him to increase it to infinite above 66.

From now own according to Congress and Toyota, drivers are not to be blamed for their accidents with Toyotas but the automobile will be blamed and not only that but a sufficient kind of remorse from Toyota must come forward and hopefully Toyota executives should kill themseves to attone for each and every accident.

With all of these regulatory oversight by NHTSA expect cars to go in price in the U.S. by a substantial amount.

  Christian Audigier    belt
http://www.lookedhardy.com