Intriguing idea, but I don’t know if I believe you one hundred percent….

I actually saw the very same MSNBC clip linked in this thread. Needless to say, it really pissed me off, particularly since I’ve always defended blacks against white racism all the while knowing in the back of my mind how high profile blacks who get into trouble often play the race card, or how utterly sexist and reverse-racist African American pop culture is today, namely rap music & rap videos.

Mind you I’m by no means suggesting that blacks are more racist than whites, (as a one closet racist douchebag who regularly comments here on NoQuarter firmly asserted–from out of his ass no doubt. Good thing there’s only one such asshole here.) The social, economic, criminal-justice data out there proves beyond a shadow of a doubt there is still, even in Twenty-O-Eight, there’s still a lot of anti-black INSTITUTIONALIZED racism in America, despite the seemingly strong, indeed often stifling, political correctness out there. ONLY A ROYAL DOUCHEBAG WOULD OVERLOOK THIS FUNDAMENTAL FACT, AND ONLY A RACIST DOUCHEBAG WOULD THINK THAT INSTITUIONALIZED RACISM CAN EXIST IN A VACUUM. Further, I don’t cherry-pick my data; I only look at data which is reaffirmed year after year in study after study, and which done by different researchers.

But are blacks more sexist than whites? In many key ways, HELL YES. Just watch any rap video. Sexism is a stubborn disease that affects all cultures. Generally speaking, it affects people more belonging to less educated groups more than it does those from more educated groups. Yet even then women make 77 cents on the dollar for every dollar a man makes—for the same work, even though women achieve higher GPA’s in both high school and college then men. About 30% of all women in the US will be sexually assaulted within their lifetimes. Clearly, African Americans have NOT cornered the market on victimization. (But this is w.r.t. gender; w.r.t. race, Native Americans are the most likely to be victims of violent crime. Whites are the least likely to be victims of violent crime—quite contrary to what you see so-called “liberal media”. Hint, hint… About 13% of whites who are victims of violent crime are victimized by black criminals, but about 60% of Native Americans who are victims of violent crime are victimized by whites. There’s much more… And all of it is in the context of the whopping 60+% drop in violent crime during the Clinton years. Again, this is quite contrary to what the “liberal media” wants us to believe. )

Back to Clyburn…

The thing that blacks keep harping about concerning Bill Clinton is that he compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, suggesting that all Obama is just another black candidate, further suggesting that whites would not vote for him.

First it is NOT true. But for sake of argument, let’s assume this is true. Is it then racist? Not necessarily. From a literal standpoint, minus any “racial subtext”, it is NOT racist, since everyone in the media was always talking about this, and have always called it the “Bradley-Wilder effect”. That is, Bill Clinton was merely stating a fact, a fact which camp Obama now knows is going on to some degree in the general election (of course, working class whites have every right to be suspicious of Obama due to Jeremiah “God damn Amerikkka” Wright and Obama’s slippery answers concerning his statements over Wright). Keep in mind the political as well as racial demographics are quite different in the general election than from that of the Democratic primary process. BASIC logic dictates that one must eliminate ALL other possibilities (interpretations) before one can be certain of the conclusion. If Bill Clinton is stating a fact in its proper context, then he is simply stating a fact. A fact stated in its proper context is never race-baiting nor gender-baiting nor anything else that is so utterly divisive. BTW, team Obama nailed Ed Rendell for saying the same thing concerning Lynn Swann. Even Swann, a Republican Uncle Tom of a douchebag as well as the Philadelphia chapter of the NAACP, then quickly resorted to race-baiting Rendell in the exact same way Obama was race-baiting Bill. Rendell too was merely stating a fact, a fact which media pundits and political science professors routinely talk about since Tom Bradley. (I’ll get to the “facts stated in its proper context” thing later… This little side argument is very important.).

BTW, the “racial subtext” thingy works like this: All things being equal, white voters will vote for the white guy over the black guy. Similarly for the “gender subtext”: All things being equal, the voters, not just men, will vote for the man over the woman. It gets worse of course… The black guy or the woman can be ridiculously more qualified than the white guy and still lose. Of course, Hillary lost to an imminently unqualified black guy! Go figure.

Now lets consider Bill’s statement with the racial subtext. Is it racist now? No, because now we must bring in the full context, which always counts and was NOT really left out in the above argument above either. Here’s the full context:

1. Obama was already race-baiting Hillary when he scurrilously claimed Hillary denigrated Dr. King. Did she? HELL NO. She was merely stating a fact that it takes a President pass and enforce legislation, i.e. the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Dr. King gets full credit for leading the peaceful social movement leading to the Civil Rights Act, but put him back in the 1930’s and he would have achieved nothing. Put him back in the 1890’s and Dr. King would have achieved nothing. Put him back to the 1860’s and he would have achieved nothing. At best Dr. King would have been another Frederick Douglas: The slaves didn’t free themselves, the northern whites did it. It’s a fact and anyone saying anything else is revising history. Did Lincoln and the northern whites “love black people”? HELL NO. But the fact remains, they freed the slaves. As great as Dr. King is, and he definitely belongs on Mt. Rushmore if he had a been a President, he was ultimately just a catalyst for the greater movement towards equality in his time.

Question: Do you think Bill was ignorant or happy with what Obama did by accusing Hillary of denigrating Dr. King?

2. The Obama camp was also race-baiting Bill when Bill said of Obama’s inconsistent Iraq stances as being a “total fantasy”. And this was still before the New Hampshire primary. Obama’s henchmen immediately and deliberately misinterpreted it as saying it was a fantasy for a black man to run for President and so on. Bill was talking about substantive policy, and Obama thru his henchmen immediately turned it into race. (Note that when Hillary said Obama was not qualified, camp Obama in a thinly veiled way immediately turned that into an anti-Affirmative Action debate. And when Michelle “For the First Time in My Life…” Obama was asked why Barack was still losing the black vote to Hillary 2:1 back in January, she immediately pulled out the race card saying “We’re always told we’re not ready… Black people are going to wake up…” RACE-BAITING BULLSHIT. No one would ever attack the qualifications of African Americans like Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Frank Raines, Jesse Jackson, etc.. Such accomplished individuals can only be attacked on policy grounds.)

3. The Clinton campaign had already somehow acquired an internal memo from the Obama campaign basically detailing how they needed to play the race card at every turn, and play it fast, in order to peel away the black vote from Hillary. So Bill knew what was going on in camp O’Bullshit. This was smoking gun of a memo was actually brought up in the S. Carolina debate, I believe.

4. Bill has one of the best Civil Rights record of anyone out there, black or white. Only people like Dr. King and Jesse Jackson have better Civil Rights records.

5. Hillary’s Civil Rights record w.r.t. to women and children is stronger than Obama’s w.r.t. African American civil rights. Hillary, as a college student, also went to register Hispanics in Texas. Her civil rights credentials w.r.t. African Americans and Native Americans is no different.

6. Obama’s Civil Rights record is very thin, which is why Civil Rights legends like John Lewis, Charlie Wrangle, etc. were supporting Hillary. Indeed, the old Civil Rights guard, those who paid their dues in blood, sweat, and tears, were a bit suspicious of Obama. Julian Wright was quite late in supporting Obama—pretty much b’coz he had to. By his own admission in one of his memoirs, he said he never accomplished much as a community activist. And what good he did do, he pretty much cancelled it out by hanging around slumlords like Rezko and his ruthless backstabbing of Alice Palmer, an African American activist.
7. As already stated, Bill Clinton’s comparison of Obama to Jackson was a factually correct one. Jesse Jackson was a trail blazer who ran a historic campaign, and unlike the divisive race-baiter Barack O’Bullshit, Jackson ran on policy as an economic populist. Indeed Bill ask Jesse if Jesse was offended by his comparison and Jesse told him point blank: “No. I think we all know what is going on here.” Amazing how the corporate media never bothered to ask Jackson. Or if they did, they didn’t bother to show it.
8. FACTS MUST BE STATED IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT. Is it possible to race-bait even when one is merely stating the facts? YES. Was Bill comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson taken out of context by Bill himself? Or was it Obama who took it out of context? Was Hillary statement that it takes a President to sign and enforce legislation, which was 100% factual, taken out of context by her thereby denigrating Dr. King? Or was her statement taken out of context by the Obama camp?

One can easily race-bait with facts. How? The corporate media does it all the time: Their crime coverage. The archetypal victim is white and the archetypal criminal is black, and is out to rob, rape and murder white people. Nevermind that the FBI/DOJ’s own data shows year after year that whites are the least like to be victims of violent crime in America. How odd that the “liberal media” which always displays copious amounts of black crime on TV is going to turn around and accuse the Clintons of race-baiting, no? How odd, that the GOP, the party of Willie Horton and the Confederate flag is going to turn around and race-bait two people with stellar Civil Rights credentials, no?

Crime is now at historic lows. Blacks are more likely to victimize all other racial groups than they do whites. Indeed, blacks victimize blacks the most. The corporate media’s racist cherry-picking (racist scapegoating) grotesquely blows the issue of black crime out of proportion—and then some, hence, it is race-baiting every time it covers factually correct stories about how some big scary black guy attacked some white woman. The “liberal media” does this day in, day out, 24/7.

Did Bill blow things out of proportion when he compared Obama to Jesse Jackson? HELL NO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmE1VWUlOD0 —Bill and Obama on Jesse Jackson, ABC news,

Bill made little off the cuff remark, a factually correct one, where someone else was controlling the microphone. Bill was not on stage in front of thousands repeatedly comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson. And even if he did, it would be such mild race-baiting at best—something that a post-racial candidate who wants to “bring people together” should really just overlook.

Did Obama overlook Bill’s totally innocent, one-time, off the cuff, and factually correct statement? HELL NO!

Isaac Newton taught us over 300 years ago that “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” If the reaction is out of proportion to the action, then there’s sumptin’ wrong.

Obama and his henchmen mercilessly pounced on Bill’s one time factually correct remark as though Bill had said the N-word, “nappy headed ho’s” or “typical black person”. LOL.

It was astounding that African Americans incessantly alluded to this comparison to Jackson, one of the greatest Civil Rights leaders of all time, as “What Bill Clinton did in South Carolina!” What exactly did he do? It blatantly clear that they didn’t even want to say what Bill did, rather they just uttered that mindless mantra simply because it was a dubiously loaded statement. Obama himself was on stage in front of thousands repeating this mantra. Note that Obama typically plays good cop/bad cop and rarely if ever plays the race card himself. This is how he keeps his hands clean. But for Bill, he made it a point to try to destroy the former President who has one of the best Civil Rights records around.

When you make a mountain out mole hill, you’re a drama queen. When you do so and it involves race, YOU ARE THE RACE-BAITER. This applies to Obama, the GOP, and of course, the “liberal media”.

No matter how you look at it, context overrides subtext. The full context is that the comparison was accurate, done once as an off the cuff remark and literally on the street, and it was done by a guy with a great Civil Rights record who was already being race-baited by his wife’s opponent.

Thus, the bots need to take a sobering look in the mirror and while they’re at it…STF Up!

P.S. The other thing which the bots love to scurrilously pounce upon is Hillary’s “hard working whites” statement. This full context of Obama and working class whites is that he had called them not just bitter but RACIST: “They’re bitter and they cling to…antipathy towards those that aren’t like them… antipathy towards immigrants.” Recall Obama made this assertion when he was asked why he had such problems courting the working class white vote. This was just after the Jeremiah Wright story broke and his slippery statements concerning himself and Wright, and instead of citing Wright or that fact that working class white democrats love the both Clinton, he went straight for the jugular pulling out the race card. Hillary’s didn’t want to say working class whites weren’t voting for Obama because they were bitter or RACIST, which was the context of her statement, and that is why she said “hard working”. Think about it, should she have said they won’t vote for Obama b’coz they are “bitter and racist” as Obama asserted? Recall also that Hillary pounced on the “bitter” portion of Obama’s diatribe but not the racist aspect of it. Again this is evidence the Clinton campaign was going out of its way to avoid the divisive topic of race. Of course that not to say that Hillary was rather clumsy at handling this PR fiasco, which Obama, the GOP, and the black-crime-obsessed “liberal media” immediately pounced upon.

Recall also that in attacking Obama over the “bitter” comment calling him elitist, which is standard operating procedure in many past elections, e.g. Bush41 did it to Dukakis, Bush43 did it to Gore and Kerry, etc., the bots immediately played the race card again, turning “elitist” into “uppity”.

Go figure.

I am wondering if Clyburn, not to mention Dean and Pelosi will be booed at the convention. Surely, some of those delegates are reading all of this dirt on them and won’t pretend to be this unified, loving party.

I found myself ‘almost’ feeling sorry for him even though I, myself, have chewed him up and spit him out everyday for almost a year. One ex. was when he talked about his Mom would not allow him to be mean to anyone and would tell him to imagine being in their shoes. Perhaps I was wrong, but it seemed to me he was a hurt little boy trying to be an example for those he perceives are being mean to him now.

The problem is he does not think fast enough on his feet like all who have reached this point, and he simply does not have a mastery of the issues or life in general like Hillary. By contrast, there is no way to stump Hillary or Bill. Without fail,they will blow you away spouting off impressive little gold nuggets of facts or philosophy regardless of what or how it is thrown at them. BO cannot do that! He stumbles and stutters over the simplist questions. My gosh, this is not a high school debating team – this is the NFL!

In the primary Hillary helped him dramatically by always being asked the questions first, giving O a heads up as to what to say…like…”I agree with Senator Clinton on that”.

And THIS is why word-of-mouth – the most effective way of spreading news and information – will be crucial in this upcoming election.

We – THE PEOPLE – must spread the truth about Obama and his scuzzy Democratic connections to as many voters as possible before November.

The media’s not going to do it.

apparently we’ve all been drinking the koolaid for
years, and didnt know it…

Yes, that is what I now believe too.

Just think about Nancy, Obama is gods gift(to her and the other cheaters), Pelosi and Harry, fake fillibuster, Reid.

I am so done with democrats.

that dumb ass REPUKE from Alaska and his BRIDGE to NO FKING WHERE was the WORST ear mark EVER so get your facts straight! NOT JUST DEMS ARE DOING THIS! Yet that and many ads I’ve seen posted here lately are dripping with exaggerations about how wonderful Rethugs are or how Dastardly DEMS are! WTF? excuse me! Not all of us and not ME. I know, I know I’ve been so mad I’ve had to change my party even but I hate when you all generalize so much. I know some of you really are all in it for the HATE but it does get OLD!

I thought this was more balanced over here. I really have been disappointed lately.

no offense that ad just rubbed me the wronggggg way!!

not many do
I’ll get over it (hopefully)
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