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The Incredible Shrinking Yellow Light

Whether it’s governmental agencies or corporate America, they just can’t seem to find enough ways to screw the little guy. It’s bad enough that the big boys in back rooms ponder ways to separate us from our money. But when the plot is treacherous to life and limb it becomes criminal in my book.

This one takes the cake. What is the difference between this outrage and being held up at gunpoint by a drunk with a loose trigger finger?

Here is what some cities are actually doing to raise revenue. They are setting the yellow light timers to shorter than the 4 second average. That way, they figure, the cameras can catch more people running red lights with red light cameras. Hence more money for the city coffer.

Never mind that this only increases the chances of intersection collisions, already the site of most automobile accidents.

Scott Thill of Alternet calls this practice “deadly profit.” And there is even a corporate angle:

“With all of the stories we hear on a daily basis, there is little doubt that the desire for ticket revenue trumps safety concerns,” Gary Biller, executive director of the National Motorists Association told AlterNet. “A quick current example is California’s governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who a few weeks ago proposed state budget including a proposal to add speed sensors to 500 existing red-light cameras. The reason? Safety wasn’t mentioned, but an expected additional annual revenue of $338 million was.”

Roughly multiply that revenue by 50 states, and you quickly get an idea why red-light cameras designed by companies like Arizona’s Redlfex Group and American Traffic Solutions (ATS) are an increasingly attractive crutch for America’s cash-strapped cities. But they’re unsafe short-cuts, because they haven’t necessarily proven very effective at anything other than generating ticket revenue — and accidents, lots of accidents. In fact, studies have repeatedly shown that red-light cameras can cause more accidents, not less.

Yes, red light cameras cause more accidents! Here is one example:

Anne Arundel County in Maryland has been running five red light cameras for five years, during which period they raised a fat $2.85 million in ticket revenue. Unfortunately, a comparison of accident statistics shows that the cameras have increased the rate of accidents.

Immediately after installation, the cameras sparked a 40-percent increase in rear-end collisions, and never looked back, with five-year increases in accident rates far exceeding a 10-percent increase in traffic.

Add this to shortening the duration of the yellow warning light, and we will fill our cities’ coffers as well as our hospitals and morgues!

  • Docelder

    The thing is these cameras are installed fsolely or profit. They aren’t for safety. There was a lawsuit in Miami wherein a judge ruled these cameras unconstitutional. This because the city defined running a light as a “code violation” because only the actual police can give a citation. These tickets it turned out were given by a third party company in Arizona. The cameras were installed for free to Miami and the Arizona company gets a cut of the ticket take. This is unbelievable actually, both that the Arizona company could operate a business model like this and that the cities and police could be o.k. with the arrangement. O.K. with the splitting of the fines and o.k. with some computer clerk in Arizona writing tickets in Florida. They have some of these cameras near the Tampa suburb where I live, the the local sheriffs office here was smugly saying that in spite of the ruling in Miami, they wil still give tickets here. That story was followed by a ticket lawyer saying hours after this ruling there were more cases already being filed. The cameras are wrong.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/22/1494682/red-light-cameras-in-aventura.html

  • Docelder

    The thing is these cameras are installed solely for profit. They aren’t for safety. There was a lawsuit in Miami wherein a judge ruled these cameras unconstitutional. This because the city defined running a light as a “code violation” because only the actual police can give a citation. These tickets it turned out were given by a third party company in Arizona. The cameras were installed for free to Miami and the Arizona company gets a cut of the ticket take. This is unbelievable actually, both that the Arizona company could operate a business model like this and that the cities and police could be o.k. with the arrangement. O.K. with the splitting of the fines and o.k. with some computer clerk in Arizona writing tickets in Florida. They have some of these cameras near the Tampa suburb where I live, the the local sheriffs office here was smugly saying that in spite of the ruling in Miami, they wil still give tickets here. That story was followed by a ticket lawyer saying hours after this ruling there were more cases already being filed. The cameras are wrong. Oddly enough thatsame day I got one of those donate to the sheriff’s office mailings. I gleefully ripped it in half, as I thought to myself… well I won’t say it here.
     
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/22/1494682/red-light-cameras-in-aventura.html

  • Solara 9

    Docelder–this situation is so wrong.  Outrageous really.  I feel like the “little guys” (us) are only good now as prey.  Like something out os a bad movie.

  • Docelder

    Pat, good topic and I meant I meant to also add that the yellow light should have been extended by a few seconds if anything for the very reason of preventing rear end collisions from ticket scared people stopping when they probably can’t safely do so. But in an ideal world the police would care about our safety. In out real world, apparently it is just another business model now. Sad how every institution of our society is being bastardized for profit.

  • Cindy

    Pat—Thank you so much for this vital information!
    We live in a small town that just got a red light on Main Street last year, but my hubby works in the big city down the road….I had no idea about the shortening of the duration of yellow lights, or anything.
    Thank you, again!

  • Diana L. Croissant

    Unbelievable!  (I mean that I do believe that in our crazy world money trumps safety, but I just have a hard time believing we’ve come to this.)

    :(

  • oowawa

    Well, once again my jaw drops open.  I’m afraid it’s been dropping open so much lately that it’s going to freeze in that position. 

    Once people realize that the yellow light is only going to be on for a couple of  seconds before it turns red, at which point they are going to get a ticket, people are going to start slamming on their brakes as soon as they see the yellow light.  Kersmash!!! 

    Love the adrenaline-pumping story, Pat, and also really appreciate the image.  It reminds me of one of those 3-D pictures that were all the rage about 10 years ago, where you have to unfocus your eyes just right to see the 3-D.  Can’t get it yet, but I’m sure in a few hours I’ll have it mastered.  Thanks for the fun activity!

  • oowawa

    LOL Cindy–well, there in Mayberry you’ll probably be able to talk Sheriff Andy Griffith out of giving you a ticket anyway–but watch out for that feisty little deputy of his!

  • mortuus lark

    First of all Pat now you are talking. You are becoming mortuus Pat. And that I can appreciate. That is the spirit of mortuus now living in you.

    And I hope more mortuus like oowawa that jumped the shark and now lives as mortuus oowawa.

    Now for the first time I can say, I agree with you in your posting.

    Second, I wrote a comment on LJ two articles ago but errased it. Mind you I wrote it before you posted this. The comment says in many ways what you are saying here but is different. The comment was as follows:

    In the mean time Haiti is going to impose payment of “customs duties” on all imported donated goods that are sent to them by charitable organizations. That is a laugh and there you go again lame lame Secretary of State. Because we have 5 thousand Marines, Army and Navy personel serving the government of Haiti without charging them a penny and without confiscating a little piece of land for a second Guantanamo (sister) base.
     
    Lets face it SOS HC is as lame as a yellow light.

  • Cindy

    oowawa-LOL—And you’ll be happy to know that Barney now has TWO bullets!!
    p.s. the town overdid it on the fireworks for the 4th…so much so that the noise set-off everybody’s car alarms…couldn’t hear the patriotic music because of it…… You can’t make this stuff up.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Guess the easy way is to remember is every light but green is RED!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Guess the easy way is to remember is every light but GREEN is RED!

  • Cindy

    P.S. Pat—-A really GREAT  visual image you created. It would make an excellent poster for traffic safety advocates (which apparently doesn’t include many city gov’ts!).

  • Onofre’s arm

    I learned my driving skills from a more advanced, extraterrestrial race. Damn the yellow lights, FULL SPEED AHEAD!

  • tango

    How else is government supposed to get easy money?  People protest raising taxes and refuse to allow programs, jobs or benefits to be cut,  streamlined or frozen.  Costs keep going up but revenues go down.  So the sneaky local governments have figured out a way to bring in more revenue all the while saying it’s for safety reasons.  And it won’t stop because the government then becomes dependant on that money which in turn is used to grow an even more inefficient and wasteful government which then needs more money to just survive.  A nasty nasty cycle.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Troll alert, Troll alert.  Do not engage.  Repeat do not engage.  Serious consequences of all day boredom may ensue…

  • oowawa

    HaHa Cindy–two bullets?  But he wasn’t safe with one!  Sure wish I could have been there for that new red-light ribbon-cutting ceremony!

  • Peggy Sue

    I think we’re going to see more of this as time goes on–”creative” ways to raise ever-shrinking piles of money as municipalities and states slide into the abyss.  Safety will be put on the back burner as property and general tax reciepts become thin to none.

    Welcome to the Brave New World, where the little guy is expendable.

       

  • Onofre’s arm

    Gosh Cindy, this wouldn’t happen to be you, would it?

  • Cindy

    You’re so funny. The red-light ribbon cutting was a real show-stopper, literally.
    And one or two old-timers will still stop sometimes for a green light because they forget that the stop signs are gone.
    But, thangs is fine here in Mt. Idy…(she goes on to say…)

  • Docelder

    The “little guys” have become glorified livestock. Nothing more.

  • mortuus lark

    Anche voi soi a bambino.

  • mortuus lark

    Anche tu sei un bambino, ma anche un deficiente.

  • mortuus lark

    Anche tu sei un bambino, ma anche un deficiente.

  • mortuus lark

    Wow Docelder you are reaching a peak.

  • mortuus lark

    Wow Docelder you are reaching a peak.

  • Tricia

    You know, I was thinking that in many ways this is worse than health insurance gouging.  At least the health insurance industry did not go out and MAKE you sick in order to get your money.  This red light ploy endagers you to get money.

  • Pat Racimora

    Cindy and others–One article I read while researching this topic suggested that if you get a red light ticket, demand to know the yellow light setting.  If it is less than 3.5 seconds, you may have some recourse.

    Another said that an extra second can save lives–a secnd less can lose lives.

    It’s serious business.  Also note that not every city shortens the yellow light time, but the exact incidence remains unknown.  (Gathering data is tedious.)

  • Cindy

    onofre—No, it is not I; but if she were 40 years older and 40 lbs. heavier, I’d swear she was my twin! ;)  ( actually, I’m very happy being me)

  • Cindy

    Copy that, Annie!

  • Cindy

    Pat—I really can’t thank you enough for the reearch. Your post may well save someone today from a seious accident!

  • Rosa

    even in our very small town,the meter lady is like a stalker with the meters….before not so much,oh and the chief of police gets anyone he doesn’t like, for anything he pleases.  Sneaky llittle jerk.

  • justme_kc

    my office is located in a very affluent area of Dallas and every light around us has one of those dang cameras.  they don’t bother me because I don’t run red lights but I was unaware of the shortened timer on the yellow and am going to check that out here as well as spread the word to co-workers that they should be cognizent of this when driving.

    my city has a great money making scheme that I was trapped in last year.  i often take the bus/light rail to work.  at the stations downtown, the rapid transit police were disabling the ticket machine on one side of the tracks,  and then giving people jaywalking tickets when they hurried across to buy the necessary ticket.  i was only 10′ from the corner and had a broken leg.  damn ticket ended up costing me $140.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Lights ??? Who needs them.

    Just go out and have fun!!

  • Cindy

    justme- Only in Dallas. Actually, Dallas has always been light years ahead of Houston as far as traffic, roads, etc.
    When H put in its first rail system about 5 yrs.ago, they should’ve had mandatory “Living with Light Rail” classes because Houstonians kept running into the damn trains, not knowing which red light was theirs, etc. Unbelievable. Only thing missing were the Keystone Cops. They are still having confusion over it.

  • Goodkat

    At the risk of being ridden out on a rail…
    40-percent increase in rear-end collisions,” 
    So it’s not the person obeying the law that’s at fault, it’s the fact that people can’t pay attention to the vehicle in front of them or drive with due care. The accidents are caused by people who can’t seem to pay enough attention to the car in front of them to give themselves enough space to stop. You want to blame the government for reducing the length of the yellow? How about taking some responsibility and not try to get through a light when it’s already yellow. Wait for the next green or leave the house a little earlier… I know it’s huge pain to be responsible for your own actions.

  • Cindy

    Goodkat- you make a good point;however, sometimes when I’m in the big city down the road, and stop on yellow, it brings out the road rage in the person behind me. So, my choices are either getting hit in the intersection, or wondering if the person behind me is going to shoot me. Road rage in Texas is increasing, and it’s scary!

  • My other site

    All this corrupt stuff is terrible, but people are just stupid for running red lights.  That’s what puts everyone’s lives at risk.  It’s not a game of CHICKEN, people, it’s driving.  Y’know, the Rules of the Road and all that.  ’Course half the people out there don’t even have a driver’s license.

  • My other site

    Tricia;  no, they let their friends the corporate food producers make us sick so they can charge huge insurance premiums and then Big Pharma can kill us with untested meds.

  • My other site

    Yes, but you have to admit, this might have turned into a money-making scheme in some places, but the epidemic of red-light-runners is truly dangerous and is nation-wide.  It isn’t only red lights, either.  I see people doing the stupidest things, last week some guy in a HUGE truck actually came over in our lane and ran us off the road because we weren’t going fast enough for him.  He could have passed, but he wanted to run someone off the road.  Drunk, or something.

  • Tricia

    Yes, the only accident I was ever in was me stopping when I saw the light turn yellow (starting to brake at still 50 feet away from the intersection) and getting rear ended.  Hard!  Neck brace to sleep until the present time and forever onward (and that was years ago).

  • Tricia

    Those people need to be caught and fined plenty!

  • Tricia

    Funny–but how dangerous that would be in real life!

  • Tricia

    Ah yes, forgot about that!!!!  You are right!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly Tricia just added it to lighten everyone’s load, this is a serious subject but man I have to laugh each day, thumping the wall and screaming becomes old fast!

  • don x

    A popular notion is that a yellow light means accelerate!  And hope to get into or across the intersection before it turns red.  When people realize the yellow light time is shortened, some are likely to stop as soon as they see it….but the foolish and the daring will accelerate.  Outcome: more rear end collisions or crashes in the intersection.

  • Solara 9

    Yep, Don.  That’s the sad bottom line. 

  • Solara 9

    Yep, Don X, that’s the bottom line.  People will either rush faster or stop with a screech–either way spells trouble.

  • mortuus lark

    THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING SOS HILLARY CLINTON

    She said, Having to rely on foreign creditors hit “our ability to protect our security, to manage difficult problems and to show the leadership that we deserve,” she said.

    SOS HC surrenders without even loading her weapons.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2511749320100225

    Why ask questions you can’t answer.

  • mortuus lark

    THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING SOS HILLARY CLINTON 
     
    She said, Having to rely on foreign creditors hit “our ability to protect our security, to manage difficult problems and to show the leadership that we deserve,” she said. 
     
    SOS HC surrenders without even loading her weapons.  
     
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2511749320100225 
     
    What a lame SOS. Sheeesh Obama, please, ask her for her to spend more time with Bill.

  • mortuus lark

    THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING SOS HILLARY CLINTON  
      
    She said, Having to rely on foreign creditors hit “our ability to protect our security, to manage difficult problems and to show the leadership that we deserve,” she said.  
      
    SOS HC surrenders without even loading.   
      
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2511749320100225  
      
    What a lame SOS. Sheeesh Obama, please, ask her to spend more time with Bill.

  • Solara 9

    Docelder, I read the article from the link you postred.  This line caught my eye.  Geesh!  Lots of angry people!

    “One motorist even shot and killed an employee of a Arizona company who was catching motorists from a van equipped to take photos.”

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