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The Summit Open Thread [Updates]

UPDATE: Sen. Kyl brought up the increased cost of premiums via Obamacare. Obama disagreed but an aide brought up a slip of paper and he thereafter conceded that, yes, premiums will go up. Jim Angle, chief WH correspondent, described premiums for people in individual insurance market. The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) says rates will increase by a “net” of 10-13% — up to 30% if the pool isn’t expanded to include young healthy people, etc.

Are you watching via C-Span, the White House, or TV? [UPDATES BELOW.]

UPDATE: From John Kass, the great columnist for the Chicago Tribune, in today’s “Obama to deliver health care The Chicago Way“:

President Barack Obama will star in his very own televised entertainment spectacular on Thursday — let’s call it Federal Health Care Kabuki Theater. [...]

The president is taking this one last chance to push his health care agenda, which by his own estimate will cost about $1 trillion over 10 years. That’s money America doesn’t have, but he could probably just print some more.

Obama will be in his element, talking and lecturing, the law professor framing the debate. He’ll spend hours being seen as reasonable. The Republicans will balk and the president will shrug. He’ll sigh and say he tried to reason with them but they refused.

Then once the cameras are turned off, he’ll take out the baseball bat and explain how things get done The Chicago Way.

It’s all about muscle. As an acolyte of the Chicago Democratic machine, he’s seen muscle at work in Daleyland. Now he’s in the White House, and he’s going to use muscle too.

Thursday’s entertainment spectacular should be great TV for political junkies, a little singing, a little dancing and panels of media experts. They’ll chatter on in their little boxes on the TV screens, each trying to be more clever than the other guy. [...]

Without ruthlessness, how will he get his health care plan passed? Especially as some Democrats back away and the Republicans say no.

Though Americans generally support some aspects of his agenda — covering the uninsured, protecting those with pre-existing conditions — a majority are opposed to Obama’s overall health policy.

That’s because they’re reasonably nervous about two things:READ ALL.

Original: I just turned on Fox News and it seems they are airing the summit live. Have any of you been watching on TV? I had an appointment so missed the beginning. Fill us in if you can. What was said in the opening statements?

Btw, here’s the list of attendees:

A list of lawmakers invited to health care summit, A.P.

– The White House has invited 22 high-ranking lawmakers to Thursday’s summit on health care at Blair House, across the street from the White House. The session will begin with an opening statement from President Barack Obama, followed by remarks from a Republican chosen by the GOP leadership and a Democrat selected by that party’s leadership. Obama will then moderate the discussion. The White House also asked the top four congressional leaders to designate four more lawmakers each to attend.
Lawmakers invited to the summit:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin, D-Ill.
Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.
Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Finance Committee
Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking member of the Finance Committee
Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., ranking member of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., member of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio
House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C.
House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va.
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the Ways and Means Committee
Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., ranking member of the Ways and Means Committee
Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, ranking member of the Energy and Commerce Committee
Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the Education and Labor Committee
Rep. John Kline, R-Minn., ranking member of the Education and Labor Committee
Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., chair emeritus of the Energy and Commerce Committee
Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore.

Lawmakers invited by the House and Senate leadership:
Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
Rep. Rob Andrews, D-N.J.
Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo.
Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.
Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn.
Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La.
Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.
Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn.
Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.
Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.
Rep. Peter Roskam, R-Ill.
Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis.
Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y.

  • Hokma

    Couple of comments:

    1. This clearly is about Obama negating GOP points.

    2. Harry Reid came off as an angry old fool who clearly has no interest in compromise when he attacked Alexander.

    3. Democrats (including Obama) are coming up with anecdotes which are not verifable and are frankly questionable.

  • Bronwyn

    Thanks so much, Hokma.  I’m so sorry I missed Harry.  

    Obama seems to be using corny anecdotes to make his points.  Is he trying to “dumb it down” so that average people can understand?  I’m trying to follow his analogies, but it’s a struggle.

    Listening to Kyl — he is REALLY attacking how much this bill is going to hurt small businesses.  VERY effective arguments.  RAISING THE MEDICARE TAX is a major deal for every employer and every single employee in the country.

    Has Paul Ryan gotten to talk much?  He’s a personal favorite who has his own health care plan, despite the Democrats saying the GOP has no health care plans.

  • susan

    Notice how many times he has interrupted Repubs vs Dems/ Also, how he keeps repeating that he doesn’t want repubs to criticize his plan, but ONLY to talk about areas they agree on. Well, that pretty much leaves all ALL the things we Americans HATE about his plan…socialistic government taqkeover of health care!!!

  • Boxer Mum 06

    Agreed all the way about Harry!

    If this really is a summit – how about some new voices to the mic?

    I liked what Coburn had to say – speaking as a doctor and dealing with fraud. Obama was taking notes like a desparate college freshman trying to catch up.

    Nancy Pelosi is another one – why are they wasting such precious time giving her the stage so she can just gush about how great Obama is and what leadership he is displaying. She sounded more like a cheerleader than a respected elected official. I really think she gives women a bad name.

  • susan

    November, 2010, can’t come fast enough for me!!!

  • Hokma

    Bronwyn – Paul Ryan was allowed to counter one mis-statement by a Democrat but only after Obama interrupted him.Susan – when the amount of time is calculated after this is over it will be interesting to see how much time was dominated by Obama attacking Republicans.Now we have Clyburne with more unsubstantiated anecdotes.

  • susan

    Mitch McConnell made a comment that Dems were being given much more time for their comments than repubs [Obama keeps interupting only the repubs when he doesn't like what they are saying], so Obama responded that he believes the dems going over time was a result of HIS own comments, which he justified, because, after all, he IS the President!!!

  • Hokma

    Amazing.
    Clyburn just gives an anecdote of someone on Medicare who is getting a transplant and how Medicare advised him on restriction on convolescence. THEN follows up with how more government healthcare intervertion will make it better!
    Amazing in its utter stupidity.

  • Bronwyn

    Oy.  Thanks for letting me know.  I’m going to scout around and see if I can find any live blogging remarks on this unfair allocation of time.

    (That surgeon is lousy — he is not enunciating his points clearly.)

  • Onofre’s arm

    Have you ever been to a timeshare presentation? (I know, I know…. cue the music from the shower scene in “Psycho”) Well, we’ve been stubbornly saying we’re NOT INTERESTED for the last six hours of what was supposed to be a ninety minute exercise………and now………..they’re bringing in………… THE CLOSER!!! 

    You can always be certain that there is something terribly wrong with the product when the “hard-sell” reaches such a state of desperation. The GOP should just pick up their stuff, walk out, and enjoy the rest of the day, rather that suffer any more patronizing dribble from this dog and one trick phony (Obama) show. 

  • mortuus lark

    Obviously the pool concept needs to be eliminated.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I wish the “Lark” concept could be eliminated!

  • mortuus lark

    The President does not want to hear the truth.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    O to John McCain

    LOL John where not campaining anymore???? WTF
    The campaign is over. Hello did he hear himself say that??

  • Bronwyn

    He sure sniped at John McCain — so dismissive of McCain’s legitimate concerns.

    FYI:  I added an update, a short segment from John Kass’s column today on Obama’s tactics to get this health care bill through “the Chicago way.”

  • mortuus lark

    Anche tu sei un bambino, ma anche un deficiente.

  • Hokma

    Obama was sanctimonius and rude to McCain. McCain has served this country nearly his entire life – has  risked his life in war. Obama can’t lick his shoes.
    This is anything but bi-partisan. This is a joke. It is all theatre.
    This is clearly about Obama playing to the public – dominating the discussion – and not listening.
    Republicans are doing a very good job and are setting up Obama to reveal how phoney this is – point by point.

  • AbigailAdams

    Am fully expecting to hear the salient parts from y’all here because, like bush before him, I simply cannot stand the sound of his voice.

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  • Bronwyn

    Is it just me, or is Obama showing his THIN SKIN?  He is so whiny — hammering Cantor for using “props,” and “politicizing” the discussion.

  • Bronwyn

    Ignore.  If Lark types too much drivel, it’s going to be erased and he/she will be on moderation.

  • Yttik

    I’m watching it. Goodness, President Obama is smug and arrogant!

    They’re making some good points, there are fabulous ideas floating around, but this whole thing is just theater of the absurd. Nobody’s going to try and pass anything that actually fixes the system, it’s pretty obvious Obama is just trying to show everybody how superior he is on every issue.

  • Hokma

    He is unprofessional, immature, and arrogant, which is thin skinned.

    His analogy on government oversight did not work well. How well did government oversight work when it came to the Toyota problem?

  • mortuus lark

    You see the President wants to make it all about REGULATION. Which means growing the government to infinite – why? So that they can own us ever more so with ever more power to make us dance by shooting to our legs.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Lark wrote :”Anche tu sei un bambino, ma anche un deficiente.”

    What a cowardly and childish piece of lark guano you are Lark, you can’t post a compelling insult in English, so you post a lame one in another language. Get some help…….SERIOUSLY!

  • mortuus lark

    The President is magnificent at leading this summit. Except he does not want to hear the truth.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    magnificent

    You must have a different understanding of the word!

  • AnnieCarmel

    This crazy woman from NY gives an example of someone having to wear a dead sisters dentures?  How is this relevant?  They’re not offering dental care.  What a joke these charletons are.

  • Hokma

    On the Daily Kidz Anthony Wiener – probably the dumbest Congressman on the Hill – is live blogging and you should read his comments:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/25/840595/-Health-Care-Summit-Liveblog
    One comment he made sums up what this is about: “The President is doing a great job teaching here.”
    Check that – Louise Slaughter is dumber.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Plus..ick factor!

  • AnnieCarmel

    eh uh eeeh  uu oh ummm uh eh.

  • jrterrier

    This is backfiring for the President.  The republicans are coming accross a much more reasonable and full of substance than any of the democrats, particularly the republican doctors.  And the republicans are coming off as being much more knowlegeable of what is actually in the bills.  Also, Obama was just plain rude to John McCain. 

  • AnnieCarmel

    Did he ever answer Cantor?

  • mortuus lark

    Louise Slaughter gave a very good reason to the Republicans to get their act together. It’s about industry and exporting products at competitive prices.

  • Becky

    wow, not very many women there

  • Onofre’s arm

    Obama is behaving predictably; interrupting, patronizing, and a general ridiculing demeanor, are all consistent tactics of a man(child) who is desperately trying to prove he’s the smartest person in the room. Too bad for him, he’s currently surrounded with dozens of vastly more accomplished and intelligent people than he could ever hope to be, and he realizes this. He just doesn’t want the world to realize it. In fact, except for a few other proven nitwits, Obama may be the least intelligent in this summit.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Hey Becky, it’s a summit, not a quilting bee! (snark)

  • AnnieCarmel

    I posted this on Keithy’s Tea Party Invite but it’s relevant here:  This was his way last night of supporting the hearing for today.  This man makes no sense whatsoever.  How.Dare.You.Sir!

    MSNBC’s host Keith Olbermann used last night during his ‘Special Comment’ segment in a health care rant.    
    “Last Friday night, my father asked me to kill him,” Olbermann said as he began the segment.    
    These startling words opened what would become an emotional talk of his father’s fight for survival following a half-year battle with infections and organ failure, culminating in the request to end a long and tiring battle.    
    Having stopped by the hospital last week, Olbermann described a scene involving his father thrashing on a bed while begging his son for help.    
    “‘Stop this,’ he mouths. ‘Stop, stop stop,’” the host said of his father. “What, you want me to smother you with a pillow,” Olberman asked in hopes of defusing the situation with gallows humor. His father then mouthed, “Yes, kill me.”    
    This emotional segment came on the eve of the Health Care Summit — Democrats and Republicans are joining in hopes of reforming America’s health care policies — with Olbermann lashing out at those opposed to change.    
    Olbermann spoke directly to all politicians, pleading, “I demand that you give everybody in this country the chance at the care my father has gotten. And I demand that you enact this most generous and kind aspect of the reform proposed.”    
       
    Yes, by all means, get the pillow.  For the son, not the father.  Not only does he have no shame but not an ounce of respect for his father to use him as such a pawn in his callous game.  If the health care is so rotten that his father is writhing in pain, why would we want a duplicate?  Unfortunately, his description is likely what we’ll be getting under ObamaCare rather than what is generally received today.  Maybe Keithy should stick around, act as an advocate, and get some pain management for Dad…without the government having to tell him so.  
       
    And lastly:  Earth to Keith.  We have already made our wishes known to our loved ones.  Don’t you communicate with yours?  Now buzz off.

  • mortuus lark

    After every posting I do I get insulted.

  • mortuus lark

    After every posting I do I get insulted.

  • Hokma

    No – ge just dismissed Cantor. This is about Obama stating that there is not much of a difference and then using that to use reconciliation to force through his plan.

    What will be interesting is how the mainstream media spins this to Obama’s benefit after.

  • Hokma

    Apparently Obama’s argument with Lamar Alexander about what the CBO said about premium rates in his plan was dead wrong and Alexander was right. The CBO said Premiums for the non-group market would go up between 10%-13%.

    Obama lectured that he is not campaigning anymore but Americans will see just how shallow a ploy this was in the end.

  • Anonymous

    i love mccains reply:

    obama: the campaign is over.
    mccain: i’m reminded of that every day!

    nice little jab.

  • Docelder

    He sure sniped at John McCain – Because “He Won”. Because he can. I imagine obots touching themselves as they play that part over and over. This will become political theater, because that was the intention. Have the show, then cram down the reconciliation saying… well we tried. None of the people in that room represent us anymore, they should be wearing nascar style jumpsuits with corporate sponsor brands on them.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    smartest person in the room.

    room he thinks he’s the smartest world wide, come on get it right Onofre’s arm

  • mortuus lark

    I disagree with everything you said here Docelder.

  • John/johnwsmart.com

    wow thanks to all for watching the summit. i would rather scoop my eyes out of their sockets with a hot spork than sit thru it. 

    But the comments your interesting…

  • Docelder

    Not a timeshare, but I was snookered to an Amway recruitment once not knowing of course that it wasn’t a friendly dinner invitation. Same crap. I remember thinking the whole time… why would i want to sell soap? Especially when walmart has it fro a lot less… why would I want a life supply of it in my garage for anyway? But yes, I see the resemblance.

  • Hokma

    So we can look forward to wearing other people’s false teeth ;)

  • Onofre’s arm

    I most humbly accept the correction.

  • sowsear

    We got into one of those too, but declined. However,my husband knew one of the men from his hometown who started the company. He said he coudln’t say “successful” (He had a lisp), but he ended up very rich.

  • sowsear

    I wish everyone would just glide on by the trolls. Maybe they’d go away.

  • carol haka

    Obama can’t keep the contempt off his face.

    And, the answer to whether or not BO is a “socialist” is pretty well resolved by the following.  I don’t really care.  I think his most disturbing attribute is his overall lack of any core knowledge and values.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party

  • ~~JustMe~~

    UGH we all have these stories yet the regular family just struggles along to survive. If a family has health care it’s considered a BONUS these days!

  • sowsear

    and “politicizing” the discussion.

    What is it if it’s not politics???

  • carol haka

    I would want someone to snuff me out also if I were in anyway related to this racist, misogynistic piece of crap.

    :*

  • bamaLV

    did anyone notice the smirk on obamas face when mccain mentioned that the majority of americans DO NOT  want this  debacle of a h/c bill? i dont think he liked the idea that  mcain was making this public.   uh..did he think we didnt know?

  • sowsear

    Anyone could have expected as much. The Repubs should have declined this invitation to be put down by BO.

  • sowsear

    And how is that even possible?

  • Hokma

    Obama’s responses showed his intolerance to free market solutions and insistence on government takeover – he does not know any other way – he was raised and mentored as a socialist and he never worked in the free market himself.

  • sowsear

    Only three female legislaters, besides Nancy, invited.

    Did you see the list?

  • bamaLV

    obama doesnt want to hear republicans ideas..he only wants to hear about the things they agree on..and not the things they disagree on. he has made that perfectly clear.  watch his facial expressions whenever they criticize his ideas.  what an arrogant fool.    btw, i hope those experts on body language will give  some insights when the summit is over.  should be interesting.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    wh wh wha what what….

  • carol haka

    Also, I would like to hear all the things he is saying with the mike on that I can’t pick up on.

  • Onofre’s arm

    My, my…….Nazi Pelosi sure is the queen bee there, which leads me to wonder “Who got the honey, ’cause we got the frass!”.

  • sowsear

    Whatever the body language people say, we have known it all along.

  • carol haka

    Best part of the summit – lots of those assholes will be long gone this time next year!  Others will be demoted.

  • sowsear

    I’d watch that body language expert if I didn’t have to sit through all of O’REilly to get to it.

  • carol haka

    All of the Republican points could be signed into law today.  One sentence straight to the point wording.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    and this is just to remind us all

    Obama At Health Care Summit: “I Don’t Count My Time Because I’m The President”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/02/25/obama_at_health_care_summit_i_dont_count_my_time_because_im_the_president.html

  • getfitnow

    He constantly reminds us all–he WON!

  • Onofre’s arm

    OBAMA’S THE PRESIDENT?!?!…………..oh damn……….damn. Everyday I wake up hoping it was all just a bad dream………sigh. Maybe tomorrow……………if I can just resist opening my wrist today.

  • getfitnow

    He’s monopolizing it; not lading it.

  • getfitnow

    He’s monopolizing it; not leading it. There’s a difference.

  • getfitnow

    Yes, he and his wife have that contempt thing down.

  • I’m a Linda too

    rofl  TEACHING?  What, teaching how he can make our commander in chief looking like an ignorant thug organizer?  Yep, we see .

  • Hank

    I thought there was a story on Michelle Obama contradicting POTUS on there daughter getting meningitis.  Does anyone recall that story?

  • buzzlatte

    Something has been settled today.  The acronym AA takes on a new meaning where Obama is concerned.

    It stands for:  ARROGANT ASS

  • AnnieCarmel

    Obama must be a little prickly about all teh accusations that he has never left campaign mode since taking office.  He just did his manipulative schtick…accuse your opponent of what you are actually doing every chance you get whether it’s relevant of not.  Keep repeating the lie until they feed it back to you.  What a POS.

  • AnnieCarmel

    eh, make that Universe and beyond to infinity.

  • buzzlatte

    What was that crap about demeaning Eric Cantor for bringing the thousands of pages of the health care bill?

    Yeah, Obama, way to instill a sense of cooperation.

  • sowsear
  • ~~JustMe~~

    Maybe someone should have told Mrs. Obama’s husband.  In a speech to nurses just eight days earlier, Barack Obama told the story quite a bit differently (emphasis mine):
    When our youngest daughter, Sasha, was diagnosed with meningitis when she was just three months old, it was one of the scariest moments of my life.  And we had to have a spinal tap administered and she ended up being in the hospital for three or four days.  And it was touch and go, we didn’t know whether she’d be permanently affected by it.  It was the nurses who walked us through what was happening and made sure that Sasha was okay.
    Well, she wasn’t diagnosed with meningitis, although the fright was real.  How hard is it to get the facts straight so that both Obamas tell the same story?  After all, it’s the fright, not the meningitis, that is the key part of the anecdote.  Moreover, why would Sasha’s father not know the difference?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/19/obama-fudging-another-health-care-horror-story/

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Update: AZCoyote has a good point in the comments:
    What is the point of the story anyway? That other people couldn’t take their baby to the ER if they thought she had meningitis? Of course they could . . . and it wouldn’t matter if they had health insurance, or if they could pay the bill or not. The ER would have been required by federal law to examine and treat the baby.
    If this is supposed to be an example of why we need universal coverage, it’s a spectacularly bad one.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/19/obama-fudging-another-health-care-horror-story/

  • ~~JustMe~~

    8-)

  • juan

    Congresswoman Louise Slaughter should have informed her constituent wearing her dead sister’s teeth about Medicaid!

  • jbjd

    I cannot swear anymore.  And just as I am trying to write out the last stupid thing one of the D’s said – and it’s only the D’s – someone else says something even more stupid!  I think so far JB wins the prize for inanity.  The R’s who speak generally preface their remarks with a reflection of what they hear from their voters, consistent with these legislators’ remarks.  BO asked JB to talk about Medicare.  He – JB – begins his remarks by saying something like, ‘I would not be so arrogant to say what the American people want.  I have no idea what they want.’

    BO’s ire-producing statement was, ‘During the campaign I was against mandates; but I was brought “kicking and screaming” to accept, we need mandates.’  (He had responded to the R’s comments by saying, we need to manadate purchase of insurance ‘so as to increase risk pools to make the cost of coverage affordable.’)

  • WhatNow

    BO says, we don’t know what’s going on with Medicare Advantage, He doesn’t have the facts, but he wants to reform it anyway. ??? This is BRILLIANT

  • jbjd

    If you get sick of listening to this farce, my new post is up.  It’s a doozy.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/roadmap-tx-election-fraud-2008/

  • buzzlatte

    Was over on the fox live blog.  NO ONE wants this bill.  I didn’t read one positive statement regarding this.  Not one on Politico, either.  

    I keep asking myself:  Are the democrats that suicidal that they would blindly follow Obama just to make his presidency relevant?

  • Hank

    Thanks JustMe

  • WhatNow

    We are not going after the waste in Medicare and Medicaid. Don’t these people get the facts before they speak????? Why hasn’t the government started going after the waste? We just need a short paragraph to get it implemented, employ some people or use the underemployed government workers to start hunting down the waste and abuse.

  • Docelder

    Well, young people can spend 8-10 years in training to be a doctor, go about 150K into debt and then treat medicare people for payment equal to less than it costs in overhead to see them. Or, they can go for a cushy job over at government motors and make $3000 an hour. Which sounds better?

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/24/news/economy/doctors_ditching_medicare_patients/index.htm

    http://wot.motortrend.com/6624164/industry-news/hes-baaack-fritz-henderson-hired-as-gm-consultant-gets-3000-an-hour/index.html

  • jbjd

    Sh***, he just said “notion”… here it comes…

  • stodghie

    lark your tail feathers are just filthy and clean your cage. also don’t forget to was out your mouth with soap. *DONT_KNOW*

  • buzzlatte

    Just saw a flash where a D said the R’s are too close to their constituents.   WTH?

    will try to find it again

  • mortuus lark

    Obama is coming out as the greatest American hero and the most productive President in our history. He is getting re-elected here by 54 percent. After this these debate in under his belt and he will have it under his control. Even thought Democrats are talking about pie in the sky health care – that is what we are going to get – pie in the sky medicare. Our system will end up worse than the British and the Canadian.

  • SeriouslySickOfObama

    This is nothing but a REALITY SHOW for Manchildnchief so he can say, Hey, I tried ot work with the R’s and they just kept saying NO!! He is not even listening, dismissing valid points all the while knowing that the Dem’s will and are plotting ramming the bill through.  Just disgusted!  HE IS NOT LISTENING and I hope in November 2012, those cocky Dem’s get their pink slips!!  We all know anything ran by the government is horrible!! I am no fan of most Republicans, but at least I hear what they are saying and for once, they really seem to be listening to us, unlike the 8 years they were in charge.  Vote everyone out and start with all new senators and rep’s if we stand a chance in hell to get this country back to a decent living standard and restore our country back to THE PEOPLE!! I am just sick of them all!! BTW, leave my healthcare alone, I am doing just fine with mine and everyone can get insurance if they choose, it they don’t it is their right to not have insurance and when this piece of BS passes, the courts will be busy as hell with lawsuit after lawsuit.  You can not make us buy anythiing in the USA, we are each day closer and closer to living under a Socialist America making laws that we buy what they are selling!!  The games these people play at the expense of American lifes are just disgusting!! Hey, idiots..DON’T tell me what to do, what to buy and how to live my life!!  I haven’t seen one single compromise in these talks yet and I am watching on Fox News.  Total BS and they can all go to hell!!

  • Docelder

    “Notion” usually prefaces a bald faced lie.

  • WhatNow

    Yes, cordinated care for chronic illness, does work, it can be implemented without a 2500 page bill. It can be implemented NOW. Let the doctors initiate this within their practice and let the patient choose, who they want to coordinate their care.  

  • buzzlatte

    Today’s lesson:  Narcissists don’t listen.  

  • Docelder

    They need to pay more for general day to day medical care and less for specialized “procedures” and less for “supplies” like scooter chairs. They must make a small fortune on those scooters, they are all over the TV 24-7.

  • jwrjr

    Of course Obama has contempt for this entire photo-op.  Since the bill is essentially already written he has no intention of using anything said at the “summit” in the health industry income insurance plan.

  • buzzlatte

    New Rules:  When Obama says, “notion” someone from the GOP can yell, “You lie!”  

  • Anonymous

    Obama is coming off as a true leader. He is well informed, smart and knows exactly what he is talking about.

    For those NQbot who think Obama is not that intelligence you should really be watching this meeting. Obama sounds like the smartest guy in the room. By far!

    I am not sure what else you expect from your leader. He is on tv discussing intelligently one of the biggest issues this country faces. An issue that has been ignored for a very long time.

  • Boxer Mum 06

    They were told women were not invited unless Michelle could attend too.

  • Hokma

    That’s humor, right?

  • Cindy

    Obama has all of the class and demeanor of someone raised by wolves. It’s very obvious that he has no respect for the office he holds. He’s only there for the perks……..He approaches everything as a jock. Pathetic.

  • buzzlatte

    …not that intelligence…???

    Which goes to prove you, Guest, are not the smartest obot in the basement.

    LOL!  You guys are comical!   LOL!

  • SueTexas

    What about Nov 2012?  That is what I am waiting for – throw the bums out!

  • HARP

    Now that you have made a complete fool of yourself……you can leave.

  • EllenD

    I seem to remember a Republican who said”we won” when asked for some justificatin. I think it was Dick Cheney.

  • sowsear

    Please don’t demean jocks….

  • mortuus lark

    Obama just said that the reconciliation will be ram through for passing the bill. No question about that. This is a waste of time for Republicans now.

    McCain made the President said the Dems have already decided on reconciliation. So whatever the Dems do that is what we will have. The bill is a done deal.

  • Cindy

    onofre—LOVE the Nazi Pelosi moniker!
    What will the Deutsche version of the House Bill be called, Das Booty?

  • EllenD

    I don’t understand what someone’s request to be euthanized because they reached the end of their rope has to do with health care?
    Why did Olbermann do this piece?

  • WhatNow

    In case you’re not joking and you really believe in what you wrote.  When Obama uses whole sentences and speaks using big words, this is not a sign of intelligence. Listen to his words. He isn’t using logic, nor facts, and he forgets what the subject is, that he started to talk about. This is not intelligence nor a sign of a true leader. He shows how little information he has. Throughout this summit, he keeps coming back to his original position, he just says it a different way, but it’s still the same position.

  • EllenD

    At this point I am numb.
    The CBO said premiums would go up 10% – 13% for the non-group market. Anthem here is raising premiums up to 39% for the non-group market.

  • Hokma

    So now we see what Durbin did before becoming a Senator – he was another John Edwards ambulence-chaser which is why he is Dick Dirtbag.

    He gives one unusual anecdote and gives a lie for an answer that it will only be $250,000 in pain and suffering. What about the thousands of ridiculous negligence lawsuits where people get money for no reason and it only forces malpratice insurance rates up, leading to medical fees up, leading to health insurance rates up, and so-on and so-on.

    Clearly the trial lawyers are in the pockets of Durbin and democrats.

  • mortuus lark

    Tom Harkin is the one who hit the ball out of the ballpark with 3 men in bases and winning the ball game. Making “groups” or ‘pools’ an issue of discrimination is the thing that will win the day. And that will be the one thing that will save all of this boondogle of a bill. If groups and pools are made illegal, health care reform will work.

  • mortuus lark

    Obama is simply burrying the Republicans. And at the same time he is coming out as a hero. The country is doomed with this health care reform except and unless ‘groups and pools’ are eliminated – which I think that will not happen.

  • arabella trefoil

    Is this thing still going on? How long is it supposed to last?

    What is the consensus among you: Did Obama make his case or not?

    How did the Dems come across vs. the Republicans?

    Thanks.

  • Katmoon

    Alexander knows a whole lot more about the failure of a health care plan, as we all know after our failure of health care in TN. I can’t watch it, I cannot stand the inability for the Chief Executive to behave in a professional manner. He is a petulant child.

  • mortuus lark

    Obama is a master bamboozler.

  • Hokma

    This is humor, right?

  • Hokma

    Obama lost this from the outset.

    Lamar Alexander presented a strong case against Obamacare and challenged Obama on the use of reconciliation and he did in a diplomatic manner.

    Obama immediately shot down Alexander and even challenged him on facts – which, in the end, Obama was shown to be wrong.

    This is about Obama trying to shout down the GOP and set up a situation to force through Obamacare.

  • buzzlatte

    Obama just displayed more narcissistic behavoir today.  He isn’t interested in bi-partisanship.  He isn’t interested in the country or the people.  He’s only interested in his ideological agenda.

    Real reform would be along the lines of regulating the insurance industry, not forcing people to buy insurance.  Big difference in concept that seems to be lost on Obama.

  • Yttik

    That was too funny, Obama  said, “that didn’t happen on my watch! That was done by the last congress.”

    I hate to say this, but that was “your watch” Obama. You were sitting in congress before you got this gig.

  • mortuus lark

    What is it going to take for Scott Brown to vote for the Democratic bill?

    Just a little game of basketball with the President.

  • buzzlatte

    Raise your hands.  How many are convinced Obama is a moron?

  • I’m a Linda too

    We must forgive them for typing these lies.  Obama campaign office has these losers, I mean employees strapped up to electrodes and if they don’t rip these out every so many minuties, they get ZAPPED!  lol

  • arabella trefoil

    Why is Obama risking looking like a thin-skin, arrogant ideologue? From what I’ve seen, he’s not delinfering the magic. He sounds inarticulate and defensive. Didn’t his gang of four know that this would backfire?

    If anything, this makes me fear that Obama is even more out of touch than I thought. They should never have let him do this live session. It’s going to lose him votes in congress.

    The Democrats in Congress must be scared to death.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    They have convinced themselves that the only way to avoid a 1994 debacle is to manhandle this POS bill through congress via any means necessary. Then when they get a shallacking in Nov they’ll blame Bush, GOP “obstructionism”, but the few still remaining will see the writing on the wall but they are stuck with Obama no matter what.

  • arabella trefoil

    Me.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I want to thank everyone who endured this travesty today. My tolerance for pain isn’t great enough to sit through it without screaming and besides I had to wash my hair. The few snippets I heard have made my blood pressure shoot up like a thermometer in a Texas summer, so I have my hat off to all who listened to the whole thing.

    BTW BO makes me want to puke. I used to think I could never feel an emotion as strong as hate. We live and learn. *sigh* 

  • Katmoon

    Yes indeed we have the first ”green”(and I don’t mean as an environmentalist) President making a huge ass out of himself. One would think after the firs hour he would have realized this is not a basketnball game of gotcha. Such a political virgin/albatros. 

  • WhatNow

    The Democrats are fear mongering, bringing up these stories about people who die because they don’t have health insurance. Currently, NO ONE in America is denied health care with or without insurance.

  • Steve1

    Thank-you Dem party for reminding me why “the people are going to vote you out!” What a bunch of talking points….where was the compromises??  This alo applies to the Repugs….no better!  We do need HC reform but not that bullshit being peddled by President Barry Soetoro!  Clinton, 2012!

  • Docelder

    They are going to “cram” this next wek and will just say it was what was sgreed to. Most people didn’t watch the cspan and teh network media won’t report it honestly. The whole process is so corrupt now, nothing good can come from it. Nothing. I saw another article today that McCain wants the FDA to tighten down on regulating vitamins. I guess so the pharmas can corner that market as well. Make $2 vitamin C at walmart cost $20. They don’t want to miss a crumb from the table. McCain is just another Washington lobby whore. I am glad McCain lost. He is as much a fraud as Obama, which is saying a lot.

  • Steve1

    wre……..Another comment, What a waste of tax payer’s money!

  • DeeLee

    Whatever waste and fraud is going on, it’s on the part of the health providers (hospitals, clinics etc.). When a Medicare patient requires services, he presents his card and the provider (hospital, doctor, et al) bills the system. We all know that Medicare doesn’t pay all of the bill, therefore I’m sure that the bill is padded to cover most shortfalls.

    In addition to that, how come hospitals can pay upper management exorbitant bonuses. In some cases up to $3 million. It also brings to mind the pay increase Obama’s wife got when she worked in Chicago.
    That’s where all the cost increase in insurance goes.

  • bamaLV

    did anyone notice the smirk on obamas face when john mccain pointed out that most american do NOT want this debacle of a h/c bill. he seemed annoyed mccain brought it up before millions of people.  did obama really think most of us didnt already know that? he was very rude to mccain when he reminded him that “i won” andmccain should stop campaigning.  is he kidding??  he’s been president for over a year and he’s still campaigning. seems that the only thing he’s good at.

  • sowsear

    MO wouldn’t attend unless she could be paid…

  • POdVet

    Smartest guy in the room?!? He wouldn’t make it past the first round of Are you smarter than a 5th grader!!! The only people dumber than Obama….are those who voted for him without researching his actual record.

  • arabella trefoil

    It’s time to work the phones and write the letters.

    If you vote for this bill, I will not vote for you. I will vote for your Republican opponent.

    Rinse, lather, repeat.

  • WhatNow

    Obama is going to do his Plan B

  • I’m a Linda too

    Here is the CNN clip where Senator McCain  S P O K E   F O R   A M E R I C A N S, and Obama flipped them off.
    CNN put up the clip
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/25/mccain-obama-face-off/?fbid=rcFRvaV3JYd#comment-3286426

  • WhatNow

    Marcella”s MoM could go to a doctor for her medical care, even without a job (Medicaid). Please, Democrats, enough fictious sob stories.

  • Hokma

    If anyone watches this and was on the fence with Obama, his arrogant attitude today will easily push away from him.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I just got back from your site, jbjd. I was very interested in the election fraud work, but then got caught up in reading your tribute to Prof. Zinn. Wow! I’m so jealous that you were fortunate enough to know him!

  • Hokma

    Obama: “The plan presented by  John Boehner doesn’t radically change the system.”

    There it is folks!

    This is not about healthcare reform, it’s about healthcare overhaul and nationalizing the entire system.

    Hey Bill O’Reilly – what part of socialist do you not understand when it comes to Obama?

  • sowsear
  • mortuus lark

    Republicans have been boxed by the Dems that they only provide for 3 million more in their proposals. They are doomed.

  • Hokma

    Thanks for the comical interlude.

  • mortuus lark

    The contrary is true. Obama now has the respect and support of the Dem party that he had almost lost. Obama from today on is a national hero.

  • Hokma

    Also she could have gone into any hospital or community health center. The Democrats including Obama should either publish the full details of their sob stories or retract them.

  • WhatNow

    Lets see……. Boehner’s plan doesn’t cost anything, Obama”s plan cost Trillions of dollars. Obama says they aren’t radically different, lets do the intelligient thing, go for Obama’s plan. The common sense, would be to go with Boehner’s plan.

    Oh what to do, what to do??????????

  • mortuus lark

    Democrats have made their minds and Obama handed them the means with this conference. They will pass the bill through reconciliations.

  • creeper

    Frass!  Oh, I love it when someone nails it like this.  Good one, OA.

  • Katmoon

    Agreed. I just sent a thank-you not to Senator Alexander. I have to say I am embarassed our President behaved this way today, as the world watches. :-[

  • arabella trefoil

    It’s interesting to me that some in the medical/scientific community are backing away from the “prevention is the solution” mantra about managing illness.

    I wonder how Michelle’s anti-obesity program is working.

  • Cindy

    can i just raise one finger, or does it have to be all five??

  • Cindy

    my 2 yr. old grandson just looked at arabella’s, and held up his little hand and  yelled “high five!”

  • WhatNow

    Biden, Pelosi, Obama, etc and other Progressives  keep referring to Social Secuity, Medicare, etc. How does a high cost, failing program support their position that the government knows what they are doing?

    If they listen to themselves, they would be Rolling On the Floor Laughing Thier A##’s  Off.  

  • sowsear
  • jbjd

    PE, knowing him provided me with a unique opportunity to ask his many admirers on those ‘Progressive’ sites I names, to put their money where their mouths are and help to pursue the issue of election fraud!  If – and according to some posts appearing recently around the blogosphere, the operative word is “when” – D’s begin a full assault on their detractors, they will expose themselves as the hypocrites they are.  (Anyone who attacks those of us who question BO’s Constitutional eligibility for office, who still attacks after reading my post on Howard Zinn, is being paid to put up the false front.)

  • arabella trefoil

    He does too!

  • mortuus lark

    Obama wins, Republicans loose.

  • jbjd

    I wonder how HRC felt when she got word BO now advocates mandated coverage…

  • mortuus lark

    Obama wins, Republicans loose. Reconciliation will be. Lots and lots of buinesses will pull out of providing private health insurance. Most people will end up in Medicaid insurance type coverage.

  • jbjd

    SMART!  SMART!  HE JUST SAID – and I quote – S-U-P-P-O-S-E-B-L-Y… GEESH…

  • My other site

    Why will premiums go up?

  • mortuus lark

    Obama shaked the health care debate and Republicans were burried in a mass grave.

  • mortuus lark

    Obama wins, Republicans loose. Reconciliation will be. Lots and lots of buinesses will pull out of providing private health insurance. Most people will end up in Medicaid insurance type coverage. 

    Obama shaked the health care debate and Republicans were burried in a mass grave.

  • My other site

    These people have no memory.  Cut to Bush:  Democrats completely ignored.  The two parties will sooner or later have to figure out to work together for the good of the people or lose the country.

  • bamaLV

    i thought he was there to listen but he hasnt shut up long enough to hear anybody else. he just loves the sound of his own voice. too bad no one else does.

  • My other site

    Not Amway!  A company where the people who recruit you make money off you while you do the work.

  • mortuus lark

    Republicans are embarrased now by accepting to do this summit.

    Scott Brown will vote for the Bill if it was needed to get 51 votes.

  • My other site

    Maybe the campaigning isn’t over for John McCain.

  • My other site

    It was Bush, his favorite quip was:  You lost, get over it.

  • My other site

    He is SO NOT the president.

  • mortuus lark

    Obama proved you all COMPLETELY WRONG and he proves that he knows what he is talking about the health care reform. Obama is an American hero.

  • My other site

    LOL!

  • mortuus lark

    Obama wins, Republicans loose. Reconciliation will be. Lots and lots of buinesses will pull out of providing private health insurance. Most people will end up in Medicaid insurance type coverage.   
     
    Obama shaked the health care debate and Republicans were burried in a mass grave.

    Republicans are embarrased now by accepting to do this summit. 
     
    Scott Brown will vote for the Bill if it was needed to get 51 votes.

    Obama proved you all COMPLETELY WRONG and he proves that he knows what he is talking about the health care reform. Obama is an American hero.

    Obama just embarrassed the Republicans by telling them he psyched them. He is getting the last laugh.

  • arabella trefoil

    Obama refuses to back down. He discusses his plan behind closed doors.

    “Some folks have the notion that my bill won’t work. Forget about those props the Republlicans used. Let me show you what the bill really looks like …

  • buzzlatte

    Yup, and no little conductor in his head telling him that’s incorrect.  I guess language isn’t one of his strong skills after all.

  • sowsear

    Well, hey, he’s a foreigner.

  • sowsear

    And drain bamaged!

  • mortuus lark

    Republicans were destroyed today. And that’s too bad.

  • jbjd

    It’s a good thing I type so fast because the fecal matter is flying… Interveiw after… Nancy Pelosi said, ‘Just because we have no R support does not mean we won’t get a bill passed…We won’t get any R votes (and this is a direct quote) “…but that doesn’tmean we can’t incorporate their good ideas should they put some on the table.”

    I seldom swear but this is unf***ing believable…

  • jbjd

    I swear all the time in real life, but not on the internet.

  • elaine

    Somebody help me with the math. 30 million uninsured but it’s going to cost 2.3 Trillion to insure them + 500 Billion cuts from Medicare/TricCare…wow. This is crazy…how much is it going to cost to insure the 30 million?

  • carol haka

    Just be glad he didn’t draw Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, the ex-Miss California and Anna Nicole Smith into the mix – he usually blames them for most problems.

    :*

  • buzzlatte

    Or daim bramaged – LOL!

  • susan

    That was O being O! Typical arrogant, condescending putz, but that was exactly what Americans needed to see yet again, to remind them of the need to decimate this fraud AND his followers in November 2010 and 2012!

  • carol haka

    Thanks for the giggle!

  • buzzlatte

    Ah you’re in good company.

    Outtakes

  • arabella trefoil

    jbjd – Oh dear. Look at Nancy Pelosi. I’m glad I’m not in the same room with her.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I saw where you put out that challenge, but I’m not very optimistic that they’ll understand the hypocrisy. Professor Zinn made such profound statements seem so simple and logical and humane. I don’t understand how anyone (anyone who thinks), could study him and then turn to Saul Alinsky.

  • oowawa

    He had to remind McCain who won.

    Thee One Won.

    Reminds me of something–Thee Won there in the middle, holding court . . . subservient figures to the left and right . . . Oh yeah . . .

  • elaine

    Over a 10 yr period is the answer 6K annually per the 30 million uninsured? Can’t any of the 30 million uninsured even pay $10 for a doc visit? Can’t any of them pay anything?

  • I’m a Linda too

    I called all 3 of my Critters already today…and got an extra bonus of an exchange with my local Rep who rtnd my call because I want a tabled veto override from Richardson on now allowing the people, Legislature, who ok the monies for state, to not have access to confidential info of contracts and programs the Gov tells the agencies to do.  Hmmm   I’m on a ROLLLL.

    …and I made another contribution to Senator McCain for his excellent voice today. :)

  • Hokma

    The math doesn’t matter.

    This is about nationalizing healthcare. It’s about socialism.

    Near the end, Obama responded to John Boehner’s proposal with:  “The plan presented by  John Boehner doesn’t radically change the system.”  
    I wanted to believe that the job might change Obama, but he was raised with socialism, was mentored by socialists, and he never had a job in the free market. He only understands government control and unfortunately he has the controls.

  • mortuus lark

    The health care reform plus all the other impositions from the Democrat Congress on businesses that is flying out of Congress plus all the other crap that is coming out regulating banks and foreclosures, etc. will simply drive businessmen and women to self destruct a la Andrew Joseph Stack.

    A whole lot of jobs will open in health care administration but it will drive insurance premiums up like a rocket.

    One thing I see coming out of all of this Democrat interventions in the economy. A new Mafia of organize crime organizations will begin to grow in this country to counter the difficulties business people will have staying open for business.

    The country is doomed. The lucky ones will be those who leave sooner.

  • buzzlatte

    Me thinks Obama protest a bit much.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    elaine — by the time this is over, it’ll cost our sanity, our freedom and probably our souls.

  • I’m a Linda too

    I called all 3 of my Critters already today…and got an extra bonus of an exchange with my local Rep who rtnd my call because I want a tabled veto override from Richardson on not allowing the people, Legislature, who ok the monies for state, to not have access to confidential info of contracts and programs the Gov tells the agencies to do. Now why wud the Gov VETO a bill that gives the Finance committees their right for oversight?  Hmmm I’m on a ROLLLL. 

    …and I made another contribution to Senator McCain for his excellent voice today.

  • susan

    Seriously, we all acknowledge the fact that health care in this country does need reforming. If nothing else, this past year’s debates on this issue has accomplished one great thing. In the past BOTH parties have had opportunities to reform heqalth care, and both have been negligent in doing so. Thanks now to Obama and his socialist agenda, Republicans have had to step up to the plate with real reform solutions that actually will save Americans money. SOOOO… altogether now, thank you Obambi!!! You will get your parting gift on your way out the door in 2012!!!

  • buzzlatte

    But I like the fact that CNN posted the clip.  

    Krauthammer:  ”His (Obama) narcissism knows no bounds.”  

    Probably the most accurate comment ever made about Obama.

  • mortuus lark

    Yes, it is all about SOCIALISM because to Democrats that is the only way out. To own the people of the country. It is about merging our system with that of China and Russia, etc. All countries will have similar forms of controlling and owning their people. 

    Soon enough the Internet will be controlled.

  • John/johnwsmart.com

    What planet do you hail from? 

  • I’m a Linda too

    My hubby said he started howling when he saw this one.

  • mortuus lark

    I don’t think so. Not with the performance Obama gave today. It is extremely difficult to beat an incumbent President unless he commits some indiscression and Obama keeps himself pretty busy to have time for any indiscression.

    He will be re elected in 2012.

  • Cindy

    Portia said—  like a thermometer in a Texas summer
     Exactly–especially this past summer—over 100 degrees for 60 days!

  • mortuus lark

    I have to say it is interesting to see Obama beat the top brass of the Republican party – their best World Series Champion team – all by himself without much help from the rest of his party.

  • mortuus lark

    There is going to be a big big party at the WH tonight.

  • oowawa

    “Anecdotes which are not verifiable”

    When I consider this Health Care Bill, I think of a letter I received from Little Annie Ketchum, from the small town of Mayberry, North Carolina.  Well, her family was always dirt poor, and all she ever wanted was the money to pay for an operation so that she could donate one of her kidneys to her dying little brother.  But her family couldn’t afford insurance, and so little brother Billie couldn’t get that operation.  And little Billie Ketchum died more than a year ago on Christmas Eve, his family standing around, wondering what they had done wrong.  And to this day, little Annie still grieves . . .

  • buzzlatte

    Are you and all the voices in your head going?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hokma

    at this point in time there is no getting over what people may use secondhand. It may get to the stage where there is a one set of teeth per family!

    Wait! next they will be  sold at garage sales! >:o  (jk)

  • creeper

    Okay, now I’m thoroughly confused.  Olympia Snowe declined a last-minute invitation from the WH to attend the summit, saying that her invitation should have come from the leadership.  Now AP says this:

    “The White House has invited 22 high-ranking lawmakers to Thursday’s summit on health care at Blair House, across the street from the White House.”

    It looks to me like Snowe’s “regrets” might have been triggered by pique at not having been included in the first place…that she was only invited once it became clear how high the opposition to Obama’s health care deform plan was stacked.  Whatever…nice to see someone thumb her nose at Barry.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Like he had this summit planned for how long and goes without all the information needed? UGH we knew all along he was lacking the brain power to be a leader.

  • Cindy

    I’d like to have the movie rights to some of these anecdotes!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I hope you have good insurance Guest, as it will need to kick in pretty fast using words like that. You need a Dr asap!

  • sowsear

    Someone was keeping track of the time:
    MataHarley 11<img style=”cursor: pointer;” src=”http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/plugins/reply-to/reply.png” title=”Reply to this comment” alt=”Reply to this comment”/>  

    Minute count on who held the table at the summit thus far:
    DEMOCRATS: 108 MINUTES
    REPUBLICANS: 56 MINUTES
    · President Obama Spoke For 58 Minutes.
    · Democrats Spoke For 50 Minutes.
    · Republicans Spoke For 56 Minutes.

  • sowsear

    Someone was keeping track of the time:  
    MataHarley 11
    Minute count on who held the table at the summit thus far:  
    DEMOCRATS: 108 MINUTES  
    REPUBLICANS: 56 MINUTES  
    · President Obama Spoke For 58 Minutes.  
    · Democrats Spoke For 50 Minutes.  
    · Republicans Spoke For 56 Minutes.

  • Hokma

    John – Lark uses this blog to test comedic material.

  • Daisy Mae

    Now that this dreadful crap is over, thank you for your comments and insight.  I watched 10 minutes in the a.m. when Hairy Reed was on and got very annoyed, then watched during lunch, with enough smirks from bobo to last me the day.  I don’t think bobo changed any minds, and he doesn’t look presidential.  More like a college kid trying to run a meeting with the older frat boys.

  • Cindy

    Did the Dems happen to mention the “anecdote” about the Premier of Newfoundland, Canada, coming to the United States  for heart surgery, because our healthcare system right now is better than theirs?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    LOL OMG arabella. he looks like he wont need to eat for a week!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Not the same as most of us John! 

    motus lark go lay on the side of the road. No idea how your flying around dead.

  • creeper

    buzzlatte, I’d sure like to see a link to this.  Nothing comes up when I google it.  Can this possibly be true?

  • Hokma

    I truly believe that this was Obama’s Waterloo moment. He was put into office by Soros who wants European socialism.

  • elaine

    I’m still hung up on the cost to the taxpayers of 6K annually per the 30million uninsured equaling 2.3 trillion dollars over 10 yrs. Certainly they can’t all be indigent. My guess: 1/3 can afford to pay but don’t, another 1/3 may need some subsidy & only the remaining 1/3 are going to cost 6k annually…just how much money is ear marked for friggin’ bike trails? This is a RIP OFF!!!!!

  • Cindy

    “ wow, not very many women there “

    Did anyone check the kitchen?

  • arabella trefoil

    Living will. Health care proxy. Good pain management.

    Poor Mr. Olberman Senior. Not bad enough that the man is dying in agony, he has a crass son who will use his father as a prop. Olberman has to keep having his drama queen moments.

    He is a jackass. Doesn’t he know how (unfortunately) NOT unique his situation is? That is total trash talk when a guy like Olberman, with all his money and status has to act like he’s been wronged by society. But it’s his poor father who suffered, not him.  Many of his viewers could not afford to buy one of Olberman’s ties, and he’s crying about his father’s medical situation. At least if you have money you have more options in terms of making a dying person more comfortable.

    He is really gone round the bend.

  • maniaco

    Docelder with the the Best Quote of the Year To Date Award:

    ” . . . they [senators & Congresspeople] should be wearing [NASCAR] style jumpsuits with corporate sponsor brands on them.”

    Fantastic!  For me, this immediately conjures up some very vivid images.  If only someone could put together a YouTube video production complete with all the colorful bestickered jumpsuits.  Can you see what I’m seeing?

    Thanks once again, dear Doctor (?) Elder (?) for your witty, insightful, provocative but always informative comments.  Please keep ‘em comin’! 

  • Peggy Sue

    I didn’t catch the whole Summit today.  Caught a little this morning, and then later this afternoon on the radio.  It was good to hear all these Reps sounding like grownups for once.  They seemed prepared and ready for discussion. 

    Lamar Alexander made some good points and I thought Dick Durbin made a good presentation.  However, I heard Boehner say that the “driving force of healthcare cost increases was litigation and defensive medicine.”  Patently untrue!  Doesn’t mean we couldn’t save a chunk of change with tort reform, but it would hardly save the day.  I thought he did very poorly.

    It struck me that a lot of this has to do with trust.  And it’s that trust thing where the Dems fall short, even though most voters agree that reform is necessary.  Medicaire alone will kill us financially, and there are too many horror stories out there.  People are suffering unnecessarily.

    But then, I picked up an piece over at Salon by Glenn Greenwald, a really withering indictment of the games the Dems have played on this and other things.  There’s a vid at the bottom, a really surprising short interview with libertarian/conservative Rep John Shaddeg. 

    Interesting!  Link here:

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats/index.html

  • arabella trefoil

    Well that means Obama listened for a total of 106 minutes! Awesome performance by Obama. I’m sure he’s got the whole thing turned around.

    Big, big party at the White House tonight.

    These are all good times ……

  • sowsear

    Dems not hot for reconciliation either, per #43 at Flopping Aces:
    Dem Asks If There Is “Something Wrong” With Circumventing Senate Rules
    Senate Democrats Said It Would Be “An Outrage,” “A Nonstarter,” “A Real Mistake,” “Very Ill-Advised,” “The Worst”
    REP. JOHN DINGELL (D-MI): “I’m Curious, Why In The Name Of Common Sense Are We Being So Fussy About Having The Decisions In The People’s House And The People’s Senate Decided On The Basis Of A Simple Majority. 51 Votes. And If There’s Something Wrong With That I Wish Somebody Would Tell Me.” (Rep. Dingell, Health Care Summit, 2/25/10)
    SENATE DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THERE IS “SOMETHING WRONG” WITH FORCING HEALTH CARE THROUGH
    SEN. KENT CONRAD (D-ND): “I Don’t Believe Reconciliation Was Ever Intended For The Purpose Of Writing This Kind Of Substantive Reform Legislation Such As Health Care Reform.” “I have said publicly and privately what I believe. I don’t believe reconciliation was ever intended for the purpose of writing this kind of substantive reform legislation such as health care reform, such as climate change.” (Sen. Conrad, Congressional Record, S.3957, 3/30/09)
    SEN. ROBERT BYRD (D-WV): Reconciliation On Healthcare “An Outrage That Must Be Resisted.” “I was one of the authors of the legislation that created the budget ‘reconciliation’ process in 1974, and I am certain that putting health-care reform and climate change legislation on a freight train through Congress is an outrage that must be resisted.” (“The End Of Bipartisanship For Obama’s Big Initiatives?” The Washington Post, 3/22/09)
    SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-WV): “Reconciliation Is A Nonstarter … It Doesn’t Work. … It Opens Itself Up To An Endless, Unstoppable Number Of Amendments, Which They Will Have Lined Up, 800 Amendments, Whatever It Is.” (“Rockefeller Dismisses Reconciliation As An Option For Health Care Reform,” Roll Call, 11/17/09)
    SEN. BLANCHE LINCOLN (D-AR): “I Will Not Accept Any Last-Minute Efforts To Force Changes To Health Insurance Reform Issues Through Budget Reconciliation, And Neither Will Arkansans.” (“Dem Impasse On Health Bill Continues,” Politico, 1/27/10)
    SEN. BYRON DORGAN (D-ND): “We Shouldn’t Stretch Reconciliation For … Health Care.” “Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), an appropriator, said today it would be ‘highly unusual’ to use reconciliation for climate change or health care legislation. ‘We shouldn’t stretch reconciliation for climate change or health care,’ he said. ‘It would be very hard to justify.’” (“Democratic Senators Not Ready To Embrace Reconciliation,” CongressNow, 3/17/09)
    SEN. JOE LIEBERMAN (I-CT): “I Think It’s A Real Mistake To Try To Jam Through The Total Health Insurance Reform, Health Care Reform Plan That The Public Is Either Opposed To Or Of Very, Very Passionate Mixed Minds About.” (CNN’s “State Of The Union,” 8/23/09)
    SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-LA): “Was Intended For Deficit Reduction, And It Should Not Be Used For Other Things.” (“Why The Democrats Can’t Govern,” The New Republic, 4/15/09)

  • maniaco

    AnnieCarmel sez Re: Olberman:

    “Yes, by all means, get the pillow.  For the son, not the father.”

    Too funny — I love it!!!  Please — keep ‘em comin’!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Guess he’s never heard of morphine.  I had a major surgery 2 years ago and not one moment of pain…although I did make some humerous comments to my daughter while on drugs.  Her 91 y/o mother-in-law had very effective pain management after her stroke and all the complications that went with that. 

    Pain management is what Obama supports with the elderly now.  So, OK, we’ve got that.  Now butt out.

  • Pete Clemenza

    Vafanculo, ml, tu sei un pezzo vero di merda, que stronzone.

  • buzzlatte

    Here’s what I remember:  It was on politico -politico44- and it was said as those that went to vote on the intelligence bill were going back to Blair House.  

  • sowsear

    Summit: The Talk Clock/Final tally
    President Talks For More Time Than Either The Republican Or Democrat Delegation
    Democrats Collectively Talked For More Than Twice As Long As Republicans
    DEMOCRATS (Including President Obama): 233 MINUTES OR NEARLY 4 HOURS
    REPUBLICANS: 110 MINUTES OR 1 HOUR 50 MINUTES
    PRESIDENT OBAMA ALONE: 119 MINUTES OR 1 HOUR AND 59 MINUTES

  • oowawa

    LOL–What I can’t wait for is the movie version of “My Sister’s Teeth.”  They could do a horror version where the teeth jump out of the water glass at night and creep up to the living sister’s ear and talk to her in her dreams . . . “Health care . . . If I only had Obamacare! . . . “

  • AnnieCarmel

    Sounds suspiciously like the Lark person; notice that he/she was the only one who liked the comment.  Adds up to me…writes it then pats self on the back.  Hahahaha.

  • oowawa

    And incidentally–how many insurance plans cover false teeth anyway?  I don’t think O-Whole health would have done her much good . . .

  • ~~JustMe~~

  • maniaco

    Xlnt, buzzlatte . . . tho’ you cleaned it up a bit from what I and other followers of CrudeSpeak would say by clipping off the -HOLE at the end.

  • zaine_ridling

    Jeez, just think how different today would have been if Hillary were president. Obama just doesn’t get it when it comes to repubs. Because he beat them in an election, he will forever be their enemy. He looked like an ill-prepared substitute teacher, and for Dems, that’s embarrassing. 

    (Thank goodness I wrote in Hillary’s name back in ’08!)

  • arabella trefoil

    Guess he’s never heard about hospice care either. Even if somebody you love is in the hospital and about to die, hospice practioners (including doctors, nurses, psychologists who are experts in the field) are available to help you and your family.

    Keif, you’re supposeably a smart person, so I hate to ask you. But why don’t you act like a normal average person in this situation. Like pick up a phone book, use the internets, talk to the staff at the hospital etc. Like, find out what’s out there to help you and your dad. The rest of us do this all the time.

    But no, you have to have your little drama queen temper tantrum. When someone is dying the least, I mean the very least, anyone can do is give that person his privacy. You are a lousy son and a bad person.

  • I’m a Linda too

    just pitiful.

  • Cindy

    oowawa–  Yeah….I think I saw that movie, with Obama at the center of the supper table and all. The plot had to do with some kind of secret code….was it “The DeMented Code?” or something? ;)

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Cindy — my dad grew up on a ranch in Young County with no ac, so he had no sympathy for us at all when we’d whine about 90 degrees. :-P

  • oowawa

    He constantly reminds us all . . .
    How hard is that to remember, getitnow–
    Here’s a little rhyme to help us all to get it through our thick skulls:

    Thee One Won
    And it’s Done Done Done–
    Thee One Won!
    Thee One Won!

  • mortuus lark

    Obama in history – yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

    First Obama defeated all the big brass in the Democrat party including Surrender with a Smile and her faithful companion, Tonto.

    Then he beat John McCain in the 2008 elections.

    Today he beat the entire heavy brass of the Republican party all by himself in a magnificent display of elegant practical rhetoric. A feat all by itself worthy of the Guines book of world records.

    Now if he can just get rit of SOS HC I feel Obama is ready for a meeting of the same kind with all of the Ayatollahs of Iran plus their pupet Ahmadinejad.

    After today’s performance I am totally confident that Obama can beat the whole Ayatollah delegation. Lets just find him a place to meet in Greece.

    Obama will win the war in Afghanistan, bring the troops form Iraq and beat the Iranian Ayatollas and become the greatest President ever.

    Start carving his face in the mountain.

  • oowawa

    He constantly reminds us all . . . 
    How hard is that to remember, getitnow– 
    Here’s a little rhyme to help us all to get it through our thick skulls: 
     
    Thee One Won 
    And it’s Done Done Done
    Thee One Won!!!
    Thee One Won!!!

  • samb

    I watched a arrogant Obama stumble threw the language, I saw a V.P yawn in boredom. Republican had no choice Obama said jump they said how high.  The Democrats pretended to care and make a attempt to appear open and receptive to
    all, when all a long doing what they want.
    WHAT A F-ING JOKE. >:o

  • arabella trefoil

    Next he’ll be telling sad stories about his pet dog’s health care problems. For parents who demand privacy for theif children, Ma and Pa Obama have no problem using the poor things when it suits them.

    I agree that Obama’s children are off limits. Too bad their parents don’t leave them out of it.

  • seattlegal

    Agreed.  Pelosi gives women a bad name.  Owebama gives AA’s a bad name.  They are perfect for each other!

  • mortuus lark

    One thing is for sure, none of those Republicans that were in that room today are able to beat Obama in a general election. The Republicans are going to need someone from outside like a Palin/Dobbs ticket. But no governor or Senator will be able to beat him in the next election.

    Maybe a Glenn Beck/Greta Van Susteren ticket could, but they must have been trained in the media on a daily basis. Nothing else will work.

  • Cindy

    oowawa— I can see it now:
    “DENTURES! The Musical”

    paging Mr. Brooks……paging Mr. Mel Brooks!

  • Cindy

    Just Me–
    Looks like the prequel toJaws”

  • blue collar hoosier
  • stodghie

    jbjd, i had to run get my barf bag when i read your pelosi bird quote.

  • Hokma

    How did my comment suddenly get changed to here instead of a response to lark?

  • stodghie

    m lark, go find a bird cage and enclose yourself in shame. putting the bs on here you do is polluting the bandwidth.

  • creeper

    Maybe what you saw was a reference to this article by Lee Hamilton…

    http://www.congresslink.org/print_expert_polisciteach.htm

    “My view, in fact, is that members are sometimes too close to their constituents, particularly when they risk reflecting their constituents’ views at the expense of their own judgment.”

    Ugh.

  • Cindy

    Portia—Well, you come from good stock if you have kin from Young County. Wonderful people and beautiful country. I knew one of the Graham’s years ago. I know your dad must have loved the ranch life.
    It’s the best!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hokma

    Larks post have been deleted!

  • oowawa

    Yes Hokma, McCain suffered torture in an enemy prison camp for his country, but right now he’s old and in the way, and he’s got a funny lump on the side of his face and he’s all stiff and everything.  Thee One, on the other hand, is handsome and tall, and when he speaks he sometimes sticks his chin up in the air in a very striking way so that some people even get tingles up their leg . . .
    And did I mention that He Won?

  • oowawa

    Can you imagine how much public health insurance would cost if it covered dentures and orthodontics?

  • oowawa

    Even more insulting than Thee One’s reminding McCain that “the election is over,” was his body language when he said it–laconic–slouched over–his head propped up on his hand–total disrespectful dismissal of an unimportant has-been loser . . .

  • Cindy

    sows—-wow! thanks for posting

  • mandy2010

    to Guest… You are absolutely right. Obama haters are just not able to swallow the truth about Obama!!!
    All those here on this blog just trying outrun each other in angry  remarks, because they can not stand that Obama is  President of USA, and He is the boss. Obama was great today and that  is why they are so angry.
    Yes , Obama was a rookie, but He is a quick learner, and  enough is enough. It is time for term limits for conressman-woman and Senat, no more lobbying after they live ther jobs in USA Government.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    haters????? your having a laugh right LOL

    angry remarks = common sense

    Yes , Obama was a rookie, and still living up to the title.

    mandy you need to get a sense of humor it could help.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    haters????? your having a laugh right LOL 
     
    angry remarks = common sense 
     
    Yes , Obama was a rookie, and still living up to the title. 
     
    mandy you need to get a sense of humor it could help.

  • Onofre’s arm

    IALT, you may be on to something.

    Guest……… if you’re being held against your will in the basement of the White House, hooked up to painful electrodes, and you are being forced to post the rantings of an imbecile, type “Obama is simply the smartest man ever to be POTUS” for “Yes” or, “Obama is a blithering idiot” for “No”! 

    If the answer is “Yes”, we’ll do what we can to get you out of there!

  • Cindy

    And did I mention that He Won?

    LOL—Yes, but I think you should learn to say it in every language represented at the UN.  ”He”  would want you to and  “His will be done”..

  • Cindy

    Yikes–you’re right. The cost would be incredible….But do as the Dems do ……”just have ‘em put it on my tab”

  • EllenD

    Thanks!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    ” you’re “

  • Steve1

    Barry Soetoro copied this idea of a summit from the Clintons….Bill used these summits all the time…can’t Barry come up with some type of original idea that is his own!  Clinton, 2012!

  • lorac

    Fried lark.

    ROFL!