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Democrats Go For Suicide

This issues may be different now than they were in the early days of the U.S. 2003 invasion of Iraq, but the attitudes of arrogance and hubris displayed by the Republicans with respect to the insurgency in Iraq seven years ago are now in full bloom with the Democrats. The mantra of the Democrats is bizarre. I just watched Florida Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Meet the Press and she gamely insisted that the American people are all on board with the Democrats approach to Health Care reform.

Debbie. NO THEY ARE NOT!! If you did not take time to watch this focus group run by Frank Luntz, please pay close attention. Half of this group are Obama supporters.

Did you catch Frank Luntz’s final comment?

He’s quoting a song from the movie, 1776, but it is a question worth asking. This is no longer a partisan issue. When you have Obama supporters along with Republicans saying, “start over,” it is time to start over. Scott Rasmussen’s polling supports the views expressed in Luntz’s focus group. Rasmussen reports:

Following President Obama’s bipartisan health care summit on Thursday, 44% of voters nationwide rate the U.S. health care system as good or excellent. That’s up from 35% when the President first proposed his reform ideas last May and up from 29% two years ago. In more recent months, perceptions of the system have stabilized
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 28% now say the U.S. health care system is poor.
Additionally, 76% of those with insurance rate their own coverage as good or excellent. Just three percent (3%) rate their own coverage as poor.

The fact that most Americans are comfortable with their own insurance coverage has proven to be a major obstacle for advocates of reform. Forty-nine percent (49%) of insured Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that the plan before Congress could force them to change their own coverage. Just 39% say it’s not likely. Those figures include 28% who say the proposed legislation is Very Likely to force them on to a new insurance plan while only 11% are confident that outcome is Not At All Likely.

Polling conducted last week showed that a solid plurality of Democrats believe it would be good for workers if they were forced off their private insurance plan and on to a government program. Republicans and unaffiliated voters disagree.

If the Democrats in House agreed with the Democrats in the Senate all of this would be moot. A bill would be passed and would be sitting on the President’s desk. But they don’t. Nancy Pelosi barely passed the Health Care bill towards the end of 2009 and now cannot count on the votes of Congressman Wexler (who left Congress) and John Murtha (he died). Worse the election of Scott Brown in Massachusetts signaled that voters are fed up. There are a few Democrats on the House side who understand that pressing forward on Health Care will end their jobs. And most of the guys and gals in the House are making more money as a legislator than they ever made in previous jobs.

A majority of Americans want Congress and the President to start over on health care. The process needs to be transparent. Americans with Health Care coverage don’t want the Government tinkering with what already works. The Congress would be on more solid ground if they would focus on some specifics like the following:

Step one–Allow cheaper drugs from Canada to be sold in the United States. Eliminate the monopoly behavior of the drug companies, who charge higher prices for medicine in the United States.

Step two–Remove the anti-trust protection from Insurance companies and force them to compete across the board. This will reduce costs and prevent insurance companies from their own form of monopoly behavior.

Step three–The Government should set up a fund, much like the FDIC, which will backstop insurance companies who provide coverage to people previously denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.

Step four–Tort reform and government backed malpractice insurance. Too many doctors, especially Obstetricians (ie, baby doctors), are bailing out of practice and leaving folks without coverage. This is an appropriate area for government intervention.

But the Democrat leadership is not inclined to do so. They are convinced they are right and are going to muscle this through. But they do so at their peril. To pretend that the majority of Americans are not satisfied with their health care and want to scrap the current system is insane. The majority of Americans do not back what the Democrats have put forward in the House and the Senate. If Democrats insist on pursuing this madness they will be reminded come November who is in charge.

UPDATE: Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air likes Nancy Pelosi and the Dems to our old friend, Baghdad Bob. He’s right. We have not seen this level of denial since the good old days of Baghdad Bob insisting that the American invaders would be completely vanquished. How did that work out?

My favorite Baghdad Bob moment, “They are nowhere near Baghdad.” And now, Nancy Pelosi insists, we have the votes to pass health care.

  • Timmy

    I thought Obamacare is dead and about to be buried. Why is Obama pushing this dead stinking bill on us… Because Obama hates America.

  • Yttik

    I don’t understand all this, it’s just insane. Obama is basically demanding that Democrats lay down under the bus so he can back over them.

    And many Dems seem to be under the misguided belief that they must pass this for the people’s own good, whether we want it or not, as if only they know what’s best for us and as if we are just too stupid to understand that.

  • stodghie

    well i don’t believe that this bill will ever see obama’s desk. please note i don’t say president. in my view you have to act like one to get that sigh of respect from me.

    if they do happen to muscle it through this will be a death knell for anyone with a dim attacked to their election hopes. and if they put on obummer’s desk and he signs it, well it doesn’t start till 2014. plenty of time to kick it to the curb. they know time is running out for their little dreams and inglorious plans hence the desperation.

  • sowsear

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/nancy-pelosi-support-Health/2010/02/28/id/351142

    Nancy tells Dems  to support health care even if it hurts them.
    Last I knew, the Representatives were elected to do the people’s will, not hers, not Reid’s, not Obama’s. Why doesn’t someone call her out on this?

  • Ex Florida Democrat

    2012 Campaign Slogan:

    No more CRACK-HEADS in the White House!

  • HARP

    Rasmussen Reports - 41% Support – 56% OpposeNewsweek - 40% – 49%Pew Research - 38% – 50%ABC News/Wash Post - 46% – 49%Quinnipiac - 35% – 54%Ipsos/McClatchy - 37% – 51%NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl - 31% – 46%CNN/Opinion Research - 38% – 58%NPR – POS/GQR - 39% – 55%USA Today/Gallup - 39% – 55%

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    This bill needs to die, unfortunately, because of the lack of leadership from the WH and especially from the democrats. While the republican leadership is guilty of doing everything possible to destroy the reform for their own political interest, forget the bullshit about the interest of Americans. That is the furthest thing from that Kentucky bandit Mitch McConnell and Ohio playboy John Boehner minds. Oh yeah that includes Senator Brain-dead McCain!

    Add to this the melding of American minds by the press and special interest and this major piece of legislation that is badly needed is now a pile of pig slop. Worse yet, we actually pay these clown in Congress to do this to us!

    Time for a good ole fashion American Revolution!

  • imustprotest

    I’m watching abcNews, This Week, roundtable discussion….they seem to agree that congress will pass this because, it’s better to pass this than pass nothing.  They also think that the public will like this bill in “the long run”.  Not saying I agree, just what the talking heads are saying.

  • creeper

    Now HARP, their minds are already made up.  Don’t confuse them with facts.  Scientific polls are soooo yesterday.

  • Docelder

    They need to focus on the economy and jobs. Letting this health bill sit until after the economy recovered would have been prudent. Of course, the idea was that a hurtng and scared people is easier to manipulate. So, we are left to hurt and are continually reinjected with the fear of uncertainty. Uncertain about the economy, uncertain about jobs, uncertain about our savings and uncertain about what will come next from Washington itself. In short, the democrats are torturing the American people into submission.

  • stodghie

    hmmmm, well those pathetic weazels who call themselves media have it wrong 99.9% of the time so what do they know. they were saying crap like that before this imploded before now.

    ole nancy is out beating the drums. why is that? because she knows it isn’t working. that’s why! and the our media? we don’t have one to start with so i don’t trust any analsyis from those jerks.

  • Docelder

    Yes, I think the media are just mouthpieces of the administration. The question is whether the greedy bastards in the house and senate will sacrifice their own careers for some larger idea. Time will tell, but they don’t seem all that altruistic to me. Opportunistic yes, but altruistic no. I don’t think it will fly so well myself. I think when push comes to shove we will heve the pirahnas eating each other.

  • Lonni

    This bill has nothing to do with health care or even insurance coverage. It’s ultimately designed to bring the US in line with Canada and Mexico in support of the soon-coming North American Union(which might be underground but not forgotten). Hence the push to get it through even though the President, the House and the Senate all know that the American people do not want it!  I expect it to pass based on that reason alone.

  • oowawa

    The leadership in the White House and Congress know that polls should not guide their decisions.  Why?  Because they know that the American Public is a bunch of fools who don’t know shit from Shinola.  How do they know that?  Because 69,000,000 people voted for an enigma from out of nowhere named Barack Hussein Obama (!) to be President of the United States and a Congress full of self-serving vampires.  To paraphrase Groucho Marx: “I would never listen to the opinion of a voter who voted someone like me into office . . . “

  • Cindy

    Obama and his troupe are dressed like the Jetsons, but have the mindset of the Flintstones.

    The old political games  that they’re so used to using to manipulate us, have totally worn out……and we are sick of them.

    Let the new games begin!!!

  • oowawa

    Re: Baghdad Bob

    Hey Mohammed–think you’ve got enough microphones there?  If Thee One discovers Baghdad Bob’s podium setup, he’s going to get REAL JEALOUS!

  • Cindy

    Timmy—I think he hates white America…..he has a really big chip on his shoulder because he’s from “mixed blood”… and you can’t hug people with a chip that big.
    Hell, we’re ALL mixed blood of one race or another!
     I’m proud of my heritage. I don’t think he’s proud of his.

  • mortuus lark

    The only one that is wrong here is Larry Johnson.

    First by quoting and using Frank Luntz for a reference. Frank Luntz runs a partisan polling system that is a complete discredit to the profession. You simply do not get any value from his process. His credit is ZERO.

    Second, LJ shows only his biased point of view because he has a good income to pay for a good health insurance. But of course LJ does not need reform but incremental changes that would only help HIM.

    The STAR OVER mantra is a fallacy. Health care reform has been discussed for more than 20 years.

    The FOUR start overs that LJ support are all riddle with 1) uncertainty; 2) difficulty in legislating and implementing; 3) undermine the U.S. economy; 4) do not solve the main problems; 5) do not protect the disinfranchised and the poor.

    LJ will not accept that the Republicans have not corrected the system so that those in the bottom will get quality health care and that Republicans did not addressed the quality issues with respect to health care practice towards the disinfranchised and the poor and those at risk from cultural diseases – such as obesity, diabetes, glandular malfunctions, etc. plus the effect of harmful radiation from airport screeners.

    Obviously that Democrats are desperate. If they fail their electorate and the Republicans win these arguments, the Republicans will see to it that the whole of “the LBJ Great Society” is derrided just like Obama’s character is derrided in this blog and like mortuus lark is derrided by * and by ? in these threads.

    Because in absence of compassion for the needy and those who are constantly facing bankruptcy and catastrophy, the only proposals people such as Rush, and his gang of pundits, the Republican gangs, and many in this thread, is always: DERISION, contempt, contumely, disdain, disparagement, jest, joke, laughter, mockery, object of ridicule, parting shot, pilgarlic, put-down, raillery, ridicule, scoffing, scorn, slam*, slap, and sneerin.

  • mortuus lark

    The one that leads what is wrong here is Larry Johnson.  
     
    First by quoting and using Frank Luntz for a reference. Frank Luntz runs a partisan polling system that is a complete discredit to the profession. You simply do not get any value from his process. His credit is ZERO.  
     
    Second, LJ shows only his biased point of view because he has a good income to pay for a good health insurance. But of course LJ does not need reform but incremental changes that would only help HIM.  
     
    The STAR OVER mantra is a fallacy. Health care reform has been discussed for more than 20 years.  
     
    The FOUR start overs that LJ support are all riddle with 1) uncertainty; 2) difficulty in legislating and implementing; 3) undermine the U.S. economy; 4) do not solve the main problems; 5) do not protect the disinfranchised and the poor.  
     
    LJ will not accept that the Republicans have not corrected the system so that those in the bottom will get quality health care and that Republicans did not addressed the quality issues with respect to health care practice towards the disinfranchised and the poor and those at risk from cultural diseases – such as obesity, diabetes, glandular malfunctions, etc. plus the effect of harmful radiation from airport screeners.  
     
    Obviously that Democrats are desperate. If they fail their electorate and the Republicans win these arguments, the Republicans will see to it that the whole of “the LBJ Great Society” is derrided just like Obama’s character is derrided in this blog and like mortuus lark is derrided by * and by ? in these threads.  
     
    Because in absence of compassion for the needy and those who are constantly facing bankruptcy and catastrophy, the only proposals people such as Rush, and his gang of pundits, the Republican gangs, and many in this thread, is always: DERISION, contempt, contumely, disdain, disparagement, jest, joke, laughter, mockery, object of ridicule, parting shot, pilgarlic, put-down, raillery, ridicule, scoffing, scorn, slam*, slap, and sneerin.

  • Hokma

    the public will like this bill in “the long run”

    That is the campaign posture of Obama and the lamestream media dutifully propogate that crap ont he airwaves in the the print pages.

    Obama clearly stated that Republican ideas did not result in “radical change” meaning a complete overhaul of our system to government control.

  • Hokma

    “the public will like this bill in “the long run”" 
     
    That is the campaign posture of Obama and the lamestream media dutifully propogate that crap ont he airwaves in the the print pages. 
     
    Obama clearly stated that Republican ideas did not result in “radical change” meaning a complete overhaul of our system to government control.

  • Noogan

    Do yourself a favor, Debbie–”If I only had a brain”–Wasserman-Schultz:

    Read this and tell me the American people are in favor of it:

    http://dailycapitalist.com/2010/02/22/the-presidents-health-care-proposal/

  • Hokma

    LJ – I believe that most Americans would agree on your 4 points.

    The third point however is giving the government an inch – another reason to collect tax dollars.

    I think that there should be de-regulation to allow cross state selling of health insurance. And I think this idea of denial based on pre-existing conditions should be outlawed. Period. There can be certain financial measures taken in those situations but it should not be outright denial.

  • arabella trefoil

    Oh, no no no no no no. Are the pundits saying that congresspeople are going to willingly march off the cliff like lemmings? I see and hear a lot of saver rattling and bluster. Looks like somebody has been working the phones and finding some new bff’s to give them the inside  scoop.

    Rahm Emanuel likes to come across like a macho man, cursing and knocking heads together to whip people into line. But is there another side to Rahm’s character? Perhaps there is a bitchy coquette inside the tough guy. “Lisss-ssen, this is Rahm. I’m gonna tell you something but you have to pinky swear you won’t tell where you heard it. OK, let’s dish!”

    And while Rahm and he’s media buddies eat big bowls of popcorn and paint each others’ finger nails the story goes buzzing along.

    Paint a picture of inevitabity – it always works. Right? Not so fast, Rahm. Public opinion is against this. People don’t like Obama and the media is covering up the fact that you and your girlfriend Barry Sue Terro are not the  prom queens you think you are.

    Do you mean to tell me, Rahm (and by the way the fuschia is so not your color) that somebody like Chuck Schumer is going to fall on the sword for you and your ideas? My congressperson Nita Lowey, who spent a lifetime working her way up from local office to Washington DC., is going to say “Oh, I’ll give up the whole thing! No problem, hand me the knife and I’ll commit seppuku.”

    Does big pharma and the insurance lobby have the where-with-all to pay off every last weasle in Congress to make them throw their careers away? Congresspeople are political animals. Part of what drives them is the power scene in DC. The economy is in the shitter. There is not a lot of spare money floating around to give all of the losers voted out consulting jobs.

    By the way, if I were one of the players (Big Pharma + Insurance Lobby) at this point I would seriously question my investment in Obama and his posturing clique. There’s such a thing as throwing good money after bad.

    We can, and we will stop this. This bill is bad for America. Don’t let the cheer leaders intimidate you. Let them slam their locker doors and stomp off in a huff, their pony tails bouncing in indigantion.

    Write. Call. Fax. Show up at the local office. Get your friends to do the same. If only a fraction of the people who hate this bill speak up, we can stop this.

  • Hokma

    “The FOUR start overs that LJ support are all riddle with 1) uncertainty; 2) difficulty in legislating and implementing; 3) undermine the U.S. economy; 4) do not solve the main problems; 5) do not protect the disinfranchised and the poor. ”

    The large majority of physicians support the recommendations LJ put forth. So you have no idea what you are talking about at all. Not even close.

    The same very large majority of physicians are completely opposed to what Obama is trying to force down Americasn throats.

  • oowawa

    Re: Rahm

    “Perhaps there is a bitchy coquette inside the tough guy.”

    LOL Arabella–was it the ballet tights that provided the first clue?

  • mortuus lark

    Just for the record, John McCain proposed during the election cycle where he lost, a proposal that would have worked. The only proposal that would have worked because it would have worked for everyone – for the poor just as for the rich. But the American people rejected it.


    First, the Republicans today are not willing to offer the old McCain proposal anymore. Why? Because it works for everyone.

    The Republicans do not want to propose a health care reform that works for everyone. They only propose a health care reform that works for the well to do and the rich.

    So if you are not well to do and rich – what are you doing supporting anything the Republicans propose? It would be against your best interest.

    For the record, I voted for McCain Palin – to save America. But the American people voted for what we have now. Lets drink that to your health.

  • Not Wit Dem

    Pelosi/Reid don’t care if the Dems lose big in Nov. Reid is already dead, and he is no Lazerus.

    But the Dems they are pressuring are not going to be Martyrs for the left. There are not many people in the world that would fall on a grenade.

    I doubt there is a single member of congress that would sacrifice themselves for a cause. Especially a cause they do not believe in.

  • oowawa

    Re: Rahm 
     
    “Perhaps there is a bitchy coquette inside the tough guy.” 
     
    LOL Arabella–was it the ballet tights that provided the first clue?

    Hilarious rant!

  • arabella trefoil

    Too true, Cindy. He and Michelle hate white America. Michelle has her own reasons. She scares me more than her husband.

  • bayareavoter

    I am really sick of the politicians and pundits saying we don’t like it because we don’t understand it. We are NOT MORONS! We understand it and it’s a mess.

    We NEED healthcare reform. I wish they’d scrap it and start over. It’s not just the Repubs who are saying this;  Howard Dean and other Dems also agree.

  • Peggy Sue

    There’s no doubt that “reform” is needed.  Healthcare costs are spiraling out of control, medicaire is a financial time bomb with the Baby Boomers ready to retire and there is suffering among those who lose their jobs and therefore their coverage and/or are turned away for preexisting conditions.

    The behind the scene deals with Pharma and the question of mandates [without any reasonable way to contain obscene insurance company profits] smothered any trust people might have had in this package.  Add to that this sense of “cramdown” and many voters are ready to string Congress up.  But that’s not to say the Republicans have anything but hot air to offer; they’re more interested in seeing the Dems take a knockout blow than providing anything helpful to the American population.

    Again, this is a spectator sport, and we are the spectators, watching the games play out.  I hadn’t thought of Baghdad Bob for a while.  But it’s a good analogy to what we seem to be watching and hearing–tell a lie frequently enough with the expectation that people will believe it’s actually true.  That can work when everyone’s asleep or too fearful to disagree.  It’s been working fine for both parties for a very long time.

    Now?  Not so much.

  • Not Wit Dem

    To Lark the Cry Baby – Your leader is calling you.

  • sowsear

    Here is a funny (as in ironic) post from Flopping Aces:
    Donald Bly 7<img style=”cursor: pointer;” src=”http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/plugins/reply-to/reply.png” title=”Reply to this comment” alt=”Reply to this comment”/>  

    Obamacare is really about creating jobs… just think of all the new prisons we will need to build to house liberty loving citizens who will refuse to comply with the unconstitutional mandate to purchase health care insurance. We’ll need construction workers, prison guards, social workers, parole officers, and an army of insurance police. And the best thing… those liberty lovers will lose their right to vote.
    It’s jobs jobs jobs….

  • arabella trefoil

    Yes! Spread the word. The average congress critter has endured years of going door to door asking for votes, staying up late at City Planning Board meetings, eating crappy food, helping pain-in-the-ass constituents with their snow removal products, etc.

    Getting to DC is for most, a hard won prize. Keep the pressure up! Write another letter now. You aren’t just saving the country, your talking somebody out of suicide. Career suicide.

  • Larry Johnson

    You are so completely full of shit.  You “voted for McCain/Palin.”  HORSESHIT, HORSESHIT, HORSESHIT.  You are a certificalbe Obamabot who, if given the chance, would happily fellate the Golden Messiah.  Use your real name, asshole.  Hiding behind an anonymous handle is the mark of a coward.

  • mortuus lark

    The Republicans lost and are and will loose their bid because while they are very good at analyzing what’s wrong they are unwilling to committ to reform and even less to a reform that would benefit everyone. It is clear that what Republicans propose only benefits the upper middle income and rich class. Their proposals do not address the problems of the disinfranchised masses.

  • Not Wit Dem

    Hey BAV, are there enough of you to dump Pelosi/Woolsley/Garamendi/Stark?

  • mortuus lark

    Why are you arguing the facts? I voted for McCain and I am not a supporter of Obama. I am only writing the way I see things. I am not writing a support for any given position. Just my exclusive point of view.

  • mortuus lark

    Why are you arguing the facts? I voted for McCain and I am not a supporter of Obama. I am only writing the way I see things. I am not writing a support for any given position. Just my exclusive point of view.

    But before the last election I always was voting for third party candidates. Last election I did not vote for McCain but for Palin.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    While LJ’s point are well taken and should be part of the reform legislation. I just love how people throw this majority of this/that crap around. The majority of this support that and the majority of that support this. What CRAPOLA!!

    Especially when people have no real clue as to what the real majority of these people or any people really support what. That is what elections and referendums are all about. To see what people really support. Rather many who throw this crap around pay attention to the statistics of special interest groups that fit their own political agendas.

    It would be interesting if Congress allowed national referendums on major pieces of legislation to see what the people would really support.

    Hold your breath!

  • mortuus lark

    Why are you arguing the facts? I voted for McCain and I am not a supporter of Obama. I am only writing the way I see things. I am not writing a support for any given position. Just my exclusive point of view. 
     
    But before the last election I always was voting for third party candidates. Last election I did not vote for McCain but for Palin.

    These days I just refuse to continue wearing blinders and derride Obama just for the fun of it. I’m through with derriding Obama.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Here is my favorite clip.

  • arabella trefoil

    Howard Dean and other Dems also agree.

    Hmm. I didn’t know that. In fact I was wondering what ever happened to Howard Dean. I choose not to think about him because of his role in helping Obama steal the election.

    Maybe Howard Dean can go on Oprah Winfrey’s show and talk about the dangers of career suicide. He can show us photos of what it looks like under the bus.

  • mortuus lark

    Why are you arguing the facts? I voted for McCain and I am not a supporter of Obama. I am only writing the way I see things. I am not writing a support for any given position. Just my exclusive point of view.  
      
    But before the last election I always was voting for third party candidates. Last election I did not vote for McCain but for Palin. 
     
    These days I just refuse to continue wearing blinders and derride Obama just for the fun of it. I’m through with derriding Obama.

    I support a health care reform that takes decouples health insurance from being employer provided. I support a health insurance that works just like life, auto and casualty where each family buys their own in a personal basis. One universe only of policy holders.

    Capisce?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The Obama loving Washington Post quotes Howard Dean saying the Health Care Bill is bad and he would not vote for it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/16/AR2009121601906.html

  • donjo

    What do the insurance companies have to do with health care?  What they provide is simply a way of lining their own pockets – and betting that they can keep from paying for illnesses.  The sooner they are taken out of the equation, the better.  That’s what most people are pissed about.  This bill is a gift to insurance companies and has little, if anything to do with actual health care.  The fear if they actually switch to something that works (Like virtually every other country inthe world), which would be some version of single payer, the insurance companies will go out of business and all their rich buddies will have to do with only one yacht.

    Also, reading through these posts, it’s amazing how much false and misleading information has been swallowed whole by many posters.  Any bill this long and complex needs complete reworking to be simplified and more easily understood by the people it affects.  As it stands, it’s a nightmare – for everyone.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Hey Larry, on a comment to an earlier post I said that nobody calls out a phony better than John Stewart. I was wrong. You are better.

  • donjo

    What do the insurance companies have to do with health care?  What they provide is simply a way of lining their own pockets – by jacking up premiums and betting that they can keep from paying for illnesses.  The sooner they are taken out of the equation, the better.  Their sole purpose is to make money for their “corporation.” That’s what most people are pissed about.  This bill is a gift to insurance companies and has little, if anything to do with actual health care.  The fear if they actually switch to something that works (Like virtually every other country in the world), which would be some version of single payer, the insurance companies will go out of business and all their rich buddies will have to do with only one yacht and their campaign contributions would dry up.
     
    Also, reading through these posts, it’s amazing how much false and misleading information has been swallowed whole by many posters.  Any bill this long and complex needs complete reworking to be simplified and more easily understood by the people it affects.  As it stands, it’s a nightmare – for everyone.

  • Anonymous

    Heck, that idea worked for Nancy and her cohorts in the DNC during the primary.  It cost her lots of Democrats then (though they don’t admit it).  She may get what she wants, but it WILL hurt all those elected by the party.  Notice, I said “elected by the party” not “elected by the people who happened to have been registered as Democrat.  I bet there are many out there, unlike me, who are really angry with the party but who have not gone to the trouble yet of changing party affiliation.

  • Diana L. C.

    Forgot to put my name.  Also, when I said “unlike me” I meant that I HAVE gone to the trouble of changing my affiliation to “unaffiliated.”

  • arabella trefoil

    Thanks for the link, No Longer Banned in Boston.

    Thank goodness for the internet.

  • Not Wit Dem

    Are you trying to say cah-PEESH?

    “Well don dewit. Cuz wen you dewit it hoitz my eahz” Steve Martin

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    I believe all heath insurance companies should be NON-PROFIT businesses like they once were. That would solve many things.

    However cross state purchasing is a good idea but it has its complexities as well and needs some form of regulating.  Otherwise its the ole switch and bait routine. So instead of giving ma-Fed the primary oversight responsibility, we’ll just give it to sister-States….. de-regulated!  It was the over-kill of de-regulation without proper oversight that got us into much of our current trouble!

    No matter which way we go, its got to be with STRONG oversight and regulation!

  • whoisjohngalt

    Larry, this is your old friend John who knows that Tiger Woods is more important than you or some captured Taliban leader in Crapistan. CNN thinks so too. Well anyway, you got this one right. What does Barack Obama know about heathcare or jobs? U & I know that is 0.

    I watched Rev. Wright, Father Flagler & Louis Farakahan in 2008 and that convinced me not to vote for BO. I knew then it was about redistribution of my wealth. The only news that I trust is the National Enquirer. They got Tiger and John Edwards and should be rewarded with a Putlzer Prize. No Quarter is OK, but you need to think out of the box a little more. I would listen to Larry Doyle a little more if I were you. He is good at finding the stink on Wall Street. However Larry does not recoginize that we are in a deflation mode. Don’t buy gold or stocks unless they are utility stocks.

    Speaking of thinking outside the box, why was Spitzer brought down (the only guy going afer Wall Street before the crash)? Also, why is BO, The NY Times, Sharpton & Cuomo against the current NY Gov over nothing he did? It makes no sense on the surface.

    Politics in 2010? Think Tea Party & not all Repubs are safe. See who comes in second in Texas on Tuesday to force a run-off.  

      

  • oowawa

    “what it looks like under the bus”

    Don’t know about that, but everybody’s singing

    We all live in a yellow submarine
    Yellow submarine
    Yellow submarine . . .

    Under the bus–where the elite meet!  And now we’ve got the Zulu Krewe Queen, Desiree, to organize the festivities!

  • Lee

    Obama also hates Black Amercia.  Have you not heard what his policies did to lower income Blacks in Chicago while State Representative?  He is a fraud and an evil man.

  • getfitnow

    Notice what a short chain they’ve kept her on since early in the campaign?

  • Lee

    It’s a coup of our American system.  Hitler used the same tactics.  See the similarities? 

  • getfitnow

    Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), who runs the committee that would have to run a reconciliation push, says that the budgetary process can’t be used for ObamaCare.  It would only address the actual budgetary issues, which leaves a lot off the table.  The Budget Committee chair told CBS’ Face the Nation audience that reconciliation wasn’t designed for this purpose, nor is it appropriate for such sweeping legislation:

  • oowawa

    Hey–Cah-PEESH is the sound I make when I’m trying to scare off the cat!

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Lark supports his “exclusive point of view”, which just happens to agree with everthing Obama. But he says he did not vote for Obama, and did not vote for McCain. He voted for Palin!!

    If he keeps up that logical reasoning his computer is going to explode.

  • getfitnow

    I think it was more like 59 million. No matter. Don’t forget those that stayed home?

  • Tony Stark

    Pelosi wants to lead the Democrats in Congress on a Banzai charge over this, which will be just as successful (NOT!) as their WWII counterparts.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Forty-nine percent (49%) of insured Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that the plan before Congress could force them to change their own coverage.

    This is the “the crux of the biscuit” or kick in the pants. if it is one thing I know is that changing plans means the potential for getting screwed increases exponentially.
    The tortured path this “legislation” has taken….is a bad case of bromadrosis. How many bills in the house, how many in the senate, now we have a rehashed senate version of the senate version which BO calls “his” and the CBO can’t even score.

    And all I got to say about this;
    Polling conducted last week showed that a solid plurality of Democrats believe it would be good for workers if they were forced….. 

    a) What workers?
    b) WTF?

    Don’t Tread on me.

  • Mandelay

    Larry, your point on the need for government backed malpractice insurance (coupled with tort reform) is so important.  A very good, very informative post, thanks much!

    Also, for those who have a family member using Medicare home health care benefits (I care for my Mom), you know, like we do, that the Dems have already made big cuts in home health care, with nurses instructed to “teach” elderly, infirm folk to dress serious wounds and change catheters, etc. Why are they trying to shovel the elderly into such a rotten corner?  Shame on the Dems … those cuts started last June.  Obama owns this.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Forty-nine percent (49%) of insured Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that the plan before Congress could force them to change their own coverage.  
     
    This is the “the crux of the biscuit” …or kick in the pants. If it is one thing I know, it is that changing medical plans means the potential for getting screwed increases exponentially.  
    The tortured path this “legislation” has taken….is a bad case of bromadrosis. How many bills in the house? Which one ?, how many in the senate?, now we have a rehashed senate version of the senate version which BO calls “his” and the CBO can’t even score.  
     
    And all I got to say about this;  
    Polling conducted last week showed that a solid plurality of Democrats believe it would be good for workers if they were forced…..   
     
    a) What workers?  
    b) WTF?  
     
    Don’t Tread on me.

  • sowsear

    Meanwhile back in Israel, they are redistributing gas masks.
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100228/D9E5AMU00.html

  • candymarl

    I just joined a group that is now 1 million strong in opposing this HC bill.  To force Americans to give up something they are already paying for, like,  and are willing to continue to pay for is not a feature of a Republic.  It’s the feature of a dictatorship.

    What is wrong with the Democratic Party?  They are displaying the same behaviors that caused We the People  to kick the Republican Party to the curb.

    They vote for more bailouts – which they were supposed to be against.

    They vote to rescue Fannie Mae which costs the taxpayers millions. Yet they demand no accountability.

    They do nothing to stop the wars or close Gitmo.  They escalate Afghanistan and expand the war into Pakistan. They increase bombing where civilians are killed. The very things they marched against when GWB was in office. Anti-war movements? These same people are now either silent or pro-war.

    When we were bleeding jobs under GWB it was all about the economy and jobs. Now it’s screw that! Pass healthcare even though the American people are far more concerned about jobs, deficits, and the fact they we are deep in debt to foreign governments.

    I’m sorry Dem leadership.  Putting a “black face” in front of these problems will not shut us up. Not all of us who are opposed are the white redneck racists you would like to paint us to be .

    First person that calls me a racist gets to take a look at my slave ancestory. I’ve had enough.

  • oowawa

    “How many bills in the house? Which one ?, how many in the senate?”

    Confused? 

    IF O-Whole Health becomes the law of the land, it will indeed be a confused nightmare.  We will not know which end is up, and we will have to get on the telephone, calling the toll-free number.  Then, after going through 30 minutes of option-beeping, if we are lucky, we will get a voice that we cannot understand, speaking to us from Pakistan or India . . .

    (inspired by my dealings with Comcast yesterday)

  • sybilll

    I love how Pelosi can tell her fellow comrades to fall on their sword.  Since she herself is in the oh so vulnerable San Francisco district.  Laughable. 

  • TeakWoodKite

    So Reid will force it of committe if Conrad won’t let come to a vote?

  • TeakWoodKite

    “Never Smack.”

  • candymarl

    Oh yeah. I forgot the vote to reaffirm the Patriot Act. I thought that was considered a government power grab. Now? Not so much.

    So no more bashing of those from both sides of the aisles that voted for it initally. The Democratic majority now sees no problem with it.  Some people warned that this would happen. They were called “conspriacy theorists”.  Guess they were right.

  • oowawa

    Well, getfitnow, for some reason the 69 million figure is easier to remember.  And what’s a mere 10 million difference when we’re talking Myth and Historicness on the grand scale! 

  • Guest

    “When the public sees what is in this bill…when we show them what the priorities are and what it’s been boiled down to, what it means to them sitting around their kitchen table rather than us sitting around a table at Blair House, the response will be positive,” Pelosi said.

    They have been desperately hiding this bill from the public for almost a year. And by the way, is that what the public does; sits around kitchen tables? What about those who work for a living?

    Democrats are beginning to crack. Pelosi is just the most visible example.

  • creeper

    The “radical change” Barry wants–total control over every aspect of Americans’s lives…is not the change WE want–honest, responsive government.  Unfortunately, too many of us figured that out too late.

  • arabella trefoil

    “Never Smack.”

    Well, those in the inner circle (Rahm, Obama, Valerie Jarret, Pelosi) know what the “safe” word is, so they can have a blast hitting one another. All in fun, nobody hurt.

    The rest of us, without the special resources the inner circle has, don’t have any protection. So “never smack” is good advice.

    Reminds me of the meeting where Rahm was cracking his knuckles and Obama finally and Rahm to stop. Rohm, litte bitch, gets up and stands right over Obama and startl cracking his knuckles. Take it some place else, the two of you.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Larry, a cellular approach to the whole HC issue only makes sense; target specific problem areas and address them separately as discrete issues.

    I especially like your idea of an FDIC type of fall back entity to encourage Insurance companies to accept individuals with pre-existing conditions. I would modify this somewhat. First, it is necessary to drop restrictions consumers have regarding who they can buy their insurance from; let insurance companies compete nation wide instead of in near monopoly small ponds. As you’ve stated, access to the product should not stop at state lines. But instead of a government entity handling pre-existing conditions, require health insurers as part of their licensing to ALL contribute a fixed percentage of their income into something like a private escrow company that will in turn, compensate each insurance company on an individual basis for every customer that is brought in with a pre-existing condition. That would reduce the reticence for the company to enroll customers who are obviously going to more outlays of their income. This would be similar to the un-insured portion we pay for our driving insurance.

    There are obvious and reasonable “fixes” to most of the problems in the extremely complex and broad field of health care and medical insurance, and to try to tackle them all in one fell swoop is insane, and indefensible. But since actual and practical fixes to the system are not the goals of the progressives in power, they probably won’t happen. This whole political exercise has nothing to do with fixing the health care industry problems, and absolutely nothing to do with the general welfare of the citizens. This is a monumental, and probably irreversible power grab by the federal government, and the Obamunists are only whipping up the hysteria of looming health care disaster to rationalize this giant theft of our liberties.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Larry, a cellular approach to the whole HC issue only makes sense; target specific problem areas and address them separately as discrete issues.  
     
    I especially like your idea of an FDIC type of fall back entity to encourage Insurance companies to accept individuals with pre-existing conditions. I would modify this somewhat. First, it is necessary to drop restrictions consumers have regarding who they can buy their insurance from; let insurance companies compete nation wide instead of in near monopoly small ponds. As you’ve stated, access to the product should not stop at state lines. But instead of a government entity handling pre-existing conditions, require health insurers as part of their licensing to ALL contribute a fixed percentage of their income into something like a private escrow company that will in turn, compensate each insurance company on an individual basis for every customer that is brought in with a pre-existing condition. That would reduce the reticence for the company to enroll customers who are obviously going to require more outlays of their income. This would be similar to the un-insured portion we pay for our driving insurance.  
     
    There are obvious and reasonable “fixes” to most of the problems in the extremely complex and broad field of health care and medical insurance, and to try to tackle them all in one fell swoop is insane, and indefensible. But since actual and practical fixes to the system are not the goals of the progressives in power, they probably won’t happen. This whole political exercise has nothing to do with fixing the health care industry problems, and absolutely nothing to do with the general welfare of the citizens. This is a monumental, and probably irreversible power grab by the federal government, and the Obamunists are only whipping up the hysteria of looming health care disaster to rationalize this giant theft of our liberties.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “what it means to them sitting around their kitchen table”

    Pelosi is 70. She is still living in “The Donna Reed Show”.

  • TeakWoodKite

    This is what I think describes the current situtation.

    What IGITS these Dems are.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “what it means to them sitting around their kitchen table” 
     
    Pelosi is 70. She is still living in “The Donna Reed Show”.

  • stodghie

    docelder, i believe you have a plan! “pirahnas eating each other.” ;)

  • arabella trefoil

    I hope that she gets kicked out on her ass. The people I know from San Francisco are smart. Please, San Franciso – don’t let us down.

    Vote Pelosi out. She says that she will happily take defeat. Not in those exact words.

    I think we should get the word out that Pelosi doesn’t care about her re-election, because Democrats are embracing defeat at the polls. All for a good cause – Obamacare.

  • oowawa

    “Target specific problem areas and address them separately as discrete issues.”

    Wow–that’s 11 words–much more concise than 2700 pages of obscure bureaucratic legalese.  Brilliant, Onofre’s arm!

  • stodghie

    m malorkey! kindly shut your mouth, zip the zipper, put masking tape over it. sit on your claws. whatever! your pathetic attemtps to spin your bs and act the fool just makes you look like pathetic dufusl who can barely add 2 plus 2.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Thanks oowawa!

  • stodghie

    to be honest “no longer banned in beantown” i like to think of her in the twilight zone.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Hey oowawa, you know what the square root of 69 is?

    Eight something.

  • arabella trefoil

    How can they get the family around the kitchen table to discuss the homecare bill? Mom works two jobs. Dad got fired 18 months ago, and can’t find a job. He’s doing odds and ends to fight off depression and bring money in. Doing an early morning paper route and working as a part time janitor.

    It’s pretty crowded in the appartment the family had to downsize into. The kids are in local schools and worried about what happens after graduation. The eldest was accepted into the college of her choice, but was told by her parents they couldn’t afford to send her. She lives at home and goes to a community college. She works as a waitress to bring in extra bucks.

    The family is never together for meals. People are too tired to talk to one another. Their schedules are all over the place.

    And the hypothetical family I’m describing above is actually one of the lucky families.

    Most people nowadays (if they can afford to eat) are eating while standing over the sink. Saves time. The person cramming a micro waved frozen into his mouth is a solitary eater.

    Nancy, Nancy. Your quaint idea about kitchen tables shows how much you don’t know. Tell your little story to the family dumpster diving for food. You never know when the family will have a moment in a dumpster to discuss your health care bill.

  • foxyladi14

    Larry i like your plan..we need more like you in congress

  • mortuus lark

    As far as I know Larry Johnson is not a Congressman.

  • mortuus lark

    As far as I know Larry Johnson is not a Congressman.

    And as far as I can read, you make the ridicule by saying that Larry has offered a plan in what he wrote. He did not offer no plan. He just spewed some support for some ideas. Shheeesh.


    The only one that has proposed a plan here is me.

    I proposed that health insurance operates just as life, auto and casualty insurance. That it be taken off from being offered by employers and it be bought exclusevely by family units.


    That is a plan. Clck “Like” if you like my plan.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Just what is insurance?
    INSURANCE, n. An ingenious modern game of chance in which the player is permitted to enjoy the comfortable conviction that he is beating the man who keeps the table.
    INSURANCE AGENT: My dear sir, that is a fine house—pray let me
    insure it.
    HOUSE OWNER: With pleasure. Please make the annual premium so
    low that by the time when, according to the tables of your
    actuary, it will probably be destroyed by fire I will have
    paid you considerably less than the face of the policy.
    INSURANCE AGENT: O dear, no—we could not afford to do that.
    We must fix the premium so that you will have paid more.
    HOUSE OWNER: How, then, can I afford that?
    INSURANCE AGENT: Why, your house may burn down at any time.
    There was Smith’s house, for example, which—
    HOUSE OWNER: Spare me—there were Brown’s house, on the
    contrary, and Jones’s house, and Robinson’s house, which—
    INSURANCE AGENT: Spare me!
    HOUSE OWNER: Let us understand each other. You want me to pay
    you money on the supposition that something will occur
    previously to the time set by yourself for its occurrence. In
    other words, you expect me to bet that my house will not last
    so long as you say that it will probably last.
    INSURANCE AGENT: But if your house burns without insurance it
    will be a total loss.
    HOUSE OWNER: Beg your pardon—by your own actuary’s tables I
    shall probably have saved, when it burns, all the premiums I
    would otherwise have paid to you—amounting to more than the
    face of the policy they would have bought. But suppose it to
    burn, uninsured, before the time upon which your figures are
    based. If I could not afford that, how could you if it were
    insured?
    INSURANCE AGENT: O, we should make ourselves whole from our
    luckier ventures with other clients. Virtually, they pay your
    loss.
    HOUSE OWNER: And virtually, then, don’t I help to pay their
    losses? Are not their houses as likely as mine to burn before
    they have paid you as much as you must pay them? The case
    stands this way: you expect to take more money from your
    clients than you pay to them, do you not?
    INSURANCE AGENT: Certainly; if we did not—
    HOUSE OWNER: I would not trust you with my money. Very well
    then. If it is certain, with reference to the whole body of
    your clients, that they lose money on you it is probable,
    with reference to any one of them, that he will. It is
    these individual probabilities that make the aggregate
    certainty.
    INSURANCE AGENT: I will not deny it—but look at the figures in
    this pamph—
    HOUSE OWNER: Heaven forbid!
    INSURANCE AGENT: You spoke of saving the premiums which you would
    otherwise pay to me. Will you not be more likely to squander
    them? We offer you an incentive to thrift.
    HOUSE OWNER: The willingness of A to take care of B’s money is
    not peculiar to insurance, but as a charitable institution you
    command esteem. Deign to accept its expression from a
    Deserving Object.

    —-Ambrose Bierce—

  • oowawa

    Yep Teak–Custer’s Last Stand–good analogy for the O-Whole Health fiasco.  Wonder where Nancy, Harry, and Barack are in this image?  (click to enlarge)

  • mortuus lark

    The incremental approach as shown above by Larry:

    Step One: From 2012 to 2016
    Step Two: From 2017 to 2022
    Step Three: From 2023 to 2030
    Step Four: From 2030 to 2036

    There you have it for all of those who made the ridicule of supporting the 4 step incremental approach.

  • mortuus lark

    creeper said, Unfortunately, too many of us figured that out too late.

    So you admit you voted for Obama.

  • oowawa

    Hmmmm . . . I knew the mnemonic power of that number had something to do with mathematics . . .

  • mortuus lark

    I am asking people to hit the “Like” button for my posting so that I can beat Larry with more likes than he has.

  • troom

    this Luntz video needs to be sent to every Democrat legislator.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Hey!!!! I spotted Waldo!

  • Onofre’s arm

    I loved that movie! Little Big Man, hmmmm, Obama perhaps?

  • oowawa

    That’s funny!  When you consider the kind of insurance that AIG was selling Goldman Sachs, and what was being insured, and for which we are all on the hook, we really start getting into the Twilight Zone . . .

  • mortuus lark

    Why not a micro-cellular approach tagetting detail specific areas as concrete issues? Wouldn’t that read much much much much nicer.

    Hit “Like” if you like it.

  • mortuus lark

    The incremental approach as shown above by Larry: 
     
    Step One: From 2012 to 2016 
    Step Two: From 2017 to 2022 
    Step Three: From 2023 to 2030 
    Step Four: From 2030 to 2036 
     
    There you have it for all of those who made the ridicule of supporting the 4 step incremental approach.

    Hit “Like” if you agree.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Go Ahead And Die! (Pirates Of The Health Care-ibean)

  • mortuus lark

    The only one that has proposed a plan here is me. 
     
    I proposed that health insurance operates just as life, auto and casualty insurance. That it be taken off from being offered by employers and it be bought exclusevely by family units. 
     
     
    That is a plan. Clck “Like” if you like my plan.

  • Breeze

    Boy, I REALLY, REALLY HATE to side with that dead bird!!!!

    But s/he is right:

    CAPISCE
    is the proper Italian for
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND. 
    Actually, it  is
    “does SHE understand” – the more genteel way of saying it instead of
    the very ‘common’
    “TU capisci”

  • AnnieCarmel

    Move along, nothing to discuss here.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Sigh…Lark wrote: mortuus lark 
    “Why not a micro-cellular approach tagetting detail specific areas as concrete issues? Wouldn’t that read much much much much nicer. 
     
    Hit “Like” if you like it.”
    Aren’t there penalties for littering? And if so, can’t I make a citizen arrest of Lark for trashing one thread after another? I would recommend having her bound and gagged, but I suspect she would probably just enjoy it.

  • mortuus lark

    Larry you know that if my real name was used here the probabilities of facing personal physical threats from those who participate here and harasments of personal nature would be very significant.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Happily, each time the MSM comes out with some corrupt declaration that we are all on board, the numbers supporting drop again.  We don’t like being lied to by twistos.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Oh, Dear, oowawa…you aren’t suggesting some unseamly behavior between Queen Rahm and Princess Barry are you?

  • mortuus lark

    Larry you know that if my real name was used here the probabilities of facing personal physical threats from those who participate here and harasments of personal nature would be very significant.

    Take for example the following just posted:

    Go Ahead And Die!

  • mortuus lark

    Larry you know that if my real name was used here the probabilities of facing personal physical threats from those who participate here and harasments of personal nature would be very significant.

  • mortuus lark

    Don’t take it the wrong way Onofre’ That was a subtled approval of everything you said there. Is just my bad. Sorry I did it. You are right. I was carried away by exhuberance.

  • mortuus lark

    Don’t take it the wrong way Onofre’ That was a subtled approval of everything you said there. Is just my bad. Sorry I did it. You are right. I was carried away by exhuberance.

    You still have your fans, no?

  • AnnieCarmel

    mmm mmm mmm…many new handles from which to choose…Barry “Little Big Horn” Soetoro…

  • Anonymous

    all we need now is O with his teleprompter and 100+ microphones! ((like  Baghdad Bob)) 
    Still the best thing to come back from that is The One will really be able to hear himself speak!

  • AnnieCarmel

    She meant “other” democrats defeat.  She feels secure in looney land Marin and SF.  How I hope she loses though.

  • elaine

    1/2 a TRILLION out of Medicare & TriCare is really going to hurt seniors & vets & the docs & hospitals that treat them. Really hurt them. What in hell are the Dems thinking?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    all we need now is O with his teleprompter and 100+ microphones! ((like  Baghdad Bob))  
    Still the best thing to come back from that is The One will really be able to hear himself speak!

  • connie

    Larry, it seems you always speak the truth. There are so many made up names, you’d think people are afraid of saying who they really are.

  • mortuus lark

    And what they really are.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing to be scared of because once he is out of office the public will lose all interest in him and his miserable wife.  The American people are teaching him a lesson he’ll be hard put to learn…He is not considered the end all and be all that he thinks he is.  They see through him and recognize his serious limitations in leading a country and after awhile, though he’ll try hard, even he will come to see that America doesn’t like him…doesn’t want him!
    As to Wasserman Schultz…the only thing she’s good for is talking over her opponents and trying to drown them out.  She’s as phony as the rest and Florida deserves better than her. 

  • Anonymous

    With the awful job both Dems and Repubs are doing for the American people, I think my former Dem affiliation, which I dropped after the DNC cheated Clinton, has to be Unafflicted instead of Unaffiliated!

  • Onofre’s arm

    M. Lark wrote:” Larry you know that if my real name was used here the probabilities of facing personal physical threats from those who participate here and harasments of personal nature would be very significant.” 

    That’s the whole point, isn’t it Lark? The fact that you think you would be harassed or physically threatened says far less about the people you annoy, than it does about your insane and inflammatory posts that piss EVERYONE off. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    “They also think that the public will like this bill in “the long run”.  Not saying I agree, just what the talking heads are saying.”

    Well, imust, that really isn’t their heads that are doing the talking, although talking through either end for those bozos amounts to the same–a foul gaseous emanation.

  • Ani

    That focus group was fabulous.  Pelosi, Reid and Obama better be watching because that is an accurate representation of what is going on out here.  The koolaid sipping on major talk shows of the Dems in congress is as appalling as it is tone deaf.

  • Lana

    Exactly. The reason they’re so anxious to ram it through now is to have enough time for Americans to forget how royally they were screwed. They are counting on all emotion being spent by the time the election rolls around.

  • Ferd Berfle

    “Larry you know that if my real name was used here the probabilities of facing personal physical threats from those who participate here and harasments of personal nature would be very significant. ”
     
    Oh, I thought Frank Burns was a fictional character.
     
    Wow, you truly are a dolt.

  • Ani

    I hate to tell you this, but the writers who have been brave enough to call Obama out have been threatened plenty.  Certainly no one here is going to threaten you.  That is not what we do here.

  • Onofre’s arm

    candymarl, I agree with everything you’ve written……….except “When we were bleeding jobs under GWB…..”

    This is a misleading statement, and it does not accurately describe job growth under Bush, nor does it provide a description of the factors that affected job growth under Bush, most of which were beyond his control.

    For a balanced and fair assessment of job growth, and the factors influencing it, during Bush’s terms, read this:
    http://www.heraldextra.com/business/article_f8295ed5-e4fd-55ce-a3b3-21723cc33069.html

  • Cindy

    oowaw–and don’t forget our childhood song…sing it with me now, everybody!
     
    The people under the bus
     Go down and down
     Down and down
     Down and down
     The people under the bus
     Go down and down
     All through the town
     Thee One on the bus says
    “Move on back, move on back” etc…….

  • Cindy

    onofre—- And, SCENE!

  • Cindy

    Annie—-Don’t ask, DO tell!

  • Onofre’s arm

    It is nebulous and ambiguously complex on purpose. That way, if it is adopted, it can be constantly reworked and crafted to inflict maximum damage in a sort of legislative arms race with the health care industry. They’ll simply keep changing the rules to create the obscuring fog within which they can siphon money, reward their minions, and consolidate their power, without a bewildered public being able to see what’s happening.

  • Cindy

    Ferd–Isn’t it the truth? Frank Burns-lol!

  • oowawa

    Yep, it’s too bad we don’t know M.L.’s real name and address, because then we could send him an appropriate gift: (click to enlarge)

  • Cindy

    Annie—how about “Stick it (HC BILL) in your horn and blow it” Sotero.
    And maybe we should call the HC Bill the Hussein Care Bill……oooooo, that’d really  chap his fanny.

  • oowawa

    LOL Annie–no, I wasn’t thinking along those lines–just in terms of recognizing a flighty prima donna, even if they try to hide behind a facade of f-word pseudo-toughness . . .

  • creeper

    ROFL!  I’ll waste the keystrokes to tell you that I not only voted for John McCain, I worked my @ss off for him.

    Geez, dead bird, what do you use for logical thinking skills?

  • Cindy

     Lee- “Coup” is an extremely apt word for this!

  • iamcameo

    Frank Lutz? Now there’s an independent non partisan voice.

  • lorac

    The posters are discussing the voices in the panel, not the pollster’s voice.  But then again, you’re trying to distract from that fact, aren’t you?

  • Ferd Berfle

    Indeed–Messr. Lurk may also go by the name of ferret face.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Creeper, since Mort deletes his comments, and makes yours ambiguous, think of him as a just roadkill. Do not comment.

  • Required Reading

    Wow – Ryan is good. One of the very few people I’ve heard who can talk about budget details and make it interesting and clear without any hyperbole. And believeable when he talks about principles and the opinions of the not-so-stupid-after-all voters of this country. And look at Obama’s body language — shifting eyes and fingers all over his face: poor him – coming face to face with actual competence in front of his adoring television cameras must be such a drag…

  • mortuus lark

    That was really smart Mr. T.


    Except don’t underestimate the value of ambiguity.

    It is precisele “AMBIGUITY” the most important weapon in Obama’s arsenal.

    It was precisely “ambiguity” what Obama used to beat Clinton in the primary.

    It was precisely “AMBIGUITY” what Obama used to beat John McCain.


    It was precisely “ambiguity” what Obama used in this last Health Care comference to beat the heck of the high ranking file Republicans.

    So you are afraid of AMBIGUITY, no?

    Ambiguity gives you the chills?

    What can I say?

    Boo hoo hoo. :’(

  • Cindy

    johngalt–interesting thoughts and on target about the Enquirer!
    I voted (early) in the Texas primary, so I’m interested to see what happens. Frankly, no matter what happens Tuesday, I  believe Rick will be re-elected. But, that’s just my opinion.

  • Cindy

    onofre—you’re funny and smart. I’m impressed!

  • Cindy

    foxilady said-
    Larry i like your plan..we need more like you in congress

    Here, here!

  • Cindy

    Cap’n Jack—Clever!!

  • TeakWoodKite

    I think to imply that Mort implying he would be threatened….il peggior tipo di stronzate.

  • mortuus lark

    Mr. T why do you want to suppress other’s emotions? Do you know that if they follow your advice and suppress their emotions they can get cancer. And you wouldn’t want to have that weight on your conscience, do you?

    Best thing is to let others express their emotions freely so that they don’t have to take it against their spouse and children.

    Besides emotional expression is a beautiful thing. A work of art.

    There – another revelation from me to you.

    Oh well I don’t cease to help you out.

  • carol haka

    And didn’t his wife work to keep low income people out of her hospital (you know, the one she had the cushy $300k job with after BO frauds his way into the Senate seat)?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Sell across  state lines….

    not until the last decade could a ine broker buddy of mine sell wine in certian states. The laws were left over from the prohibition days. what developed was a few companies controlling the whole distribution system. This is very similar to what is occuring in healthcare space. If healthcare is “forced” upon people in this country, the shits gonna hit the perverbial fan.
    We will have a form of “speakeasy” healthcare.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Not until the last decade could a wine broker buddy of mine sell wine in certian states. The laws were left over from the prohibition days.

    What developed was a few companies controlling the  whole spirits distribution system. This is very similar to what is occuring in healthcare space. If healthcare is “forced” upon people in this country, the shits gonna hit the perverbial fan. 
    We will have a form of “speakeasy” healthcare.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Mort! Your a Conehead. I knew it!

  • TeakWoodKite

    bought exclusevely by family units

    Mort! Your a Conehead. I knew it!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yikes Teak, that would explain mass quantities.

  • whoframedrudy

    Starting from scratch is the smart political move for the Democrats.
    ‘Starting over’ could wipe the slate clean of all the Dem’s mistakes and maybe get that bad Obama taste out of voters’ mouths.  ’Starting over’ takes away the Repub’s tsunami issue.  For McCain to give up the Obamacare stinkbomb in 2010 is the ultimate act of bipartisanship.  For the good of the nation, McCain offers the President political amnesty on his gigantic Obamacare screwup — but Obama’s infantile ego can only see McCain’s face-saving offer as his own personal defeat.  Yes, McCain is like the counselor on the Suicide Hotline.
    Thank God this isn’t an international crisis.  Imagine if Kruschev had acted like Obama in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    If they do use reconciliation, I’ll have no choice but to vote against both Schumer and Gillibrand in New York in 2010.

  • mortuus lark

    T why did you compared me with Coneheads? :-D

    Isn’t auto, life and casualty purchased through individual family units? And aren’t all of those affordable?

    Admit it T, my plan works. It was more or less McCain’s plan.

  • Breeze

    Darn, Teak, I haven’t heard THAT expression in a long time…..

  • TeakWoodKite

    Your dead supposedly, hows that workin for you?

    Your plan is  Beetlejuice Healthcare

  • mortuus lark

    You are definetely talented. And way out of my league. And way beyond my reach. Why are you so unnerved by my postings and the ambiguity of the term “mortuus.” I don’t understand. You should be the least one ruffled by ambiguity and uncertainty.

    Oh I guess you are trapped like a Haitian or Chilean under the rubble of a collapsed building. That must be it.

    Well, I have some hint for you.

    Scream – HELP >:o

  • hattip

    The GOP did not display “hubris or arrogance”  2003, and events prove this to be the case. You meremly repeat Left wing agiprop here. What the Democrats displayed was utter treason as they always do, and, again as always, with arrogance and hubris.. It took them a couple of years to climb down from their facade of “partiotism” after 911, but soon enough they were back ti undermining this nation. THey are possessed by hatred for this nation and the West, as are al marxists. This is just a lie of the Democrats and their hacks in the MSM. The Iraq war went well, as wars go, and was the right thing to do, The Democrats should have stood dhoulder to shoulder with the rest of us, but this they cannot do. As in Viet Nam and in the Cold War, they must stand against the nation. They cannot help it: They are traitors. That is what it means to b a Marxist.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Teak, perhaps this PSA could explain Mortuus Lark. I especially paid attention to the recommendation that the “dead” should not attempt to speak.

     

  • TeakWoodKite

    That you would use the plight of those who are suffering for your amusement is pathetic.

    An albatross your not; dead or otherwise.

  • whoframedrudy

    “Polling conducted last week showed that a solid plurality of Democrats believed it would be good for workers if they were forced …”
    I think that’s like the Howard Stern poll:
    ‘Do you support Obama’s plan to cut all funding for stem cell research?’
    Yes, I support Obama.  I’m against stem cell research.
    ‘Do you support Obama’s plan to repeal Roe v. Wade?
    Yes, I support that.
    ‘Do you support Obama’s plan to eliminate the Capital Gains Tax?’
    Yes, I support Obama.
    ‘Do you support Obama’s plan to eliminate the tax on corporate dividends?’
    Yes.
    ‘Do you support Obama’s proposal to eliminate the income tax for people earning over $500K?’
    Yes, I support that.
    Do you support Obama’s plan to force people with private insurance onto the public option?
    Yes, I support that.

  • whoisjohngalt

    Gov. Good Hair pretends he a conservative every 4 years. I don’t see any difference between him & Bill White.

  • mortuus lark

    Have it your way, all the time. What do I care.

  • TeakWoodKite

    BO certianly has the arrogance of Custer.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Ahh Geezz. :)  

    Mort picked up his marbles and went home. (his comments are gone) He musta seen the PSA.

  • whoframedrudy

    “As in Viet Nam and in the Cold War, they must stand against the nation.”
    But as I recall it, the Democrats started the Viet Nam war.  Democrats started the Korean War.  And I believe JFK was the only President to ever openly, explicitly promise full nuclear retaliation against the Soviet Union.

  • ogee

    Everytime she says the American people want it unanimously her lying lips twist into a Knot. Watch it and see.

  • creeper

    Teak, I ususally don’t feed our trolls.  Dead bird’s assumption that I voted for Barry was just too much, especially after I’d hied my registered Democratic ass over to Rep headquarters (and been welcomed warmly) to do what I could to defeat him.

    Forgot about the deleting thing, which is nuts because I’d already mentioned HARP being caught twice in the past couple of days.

    I’ve never advocated banning someone from any blog but the dead bird’s habit of deleting comments strikes me as reason to do so.

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