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Inconvenient Facts Drown Al Gore’s “Truths” [UPDATE]

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Al Gore was out Saturday in the New York Times with an op-ed that calls into question his intellect and judgment. If the reasoning on display in big Al’s piece is indicative of his intelligence then it is easy to understand why he has been so snookered on the issue of “global warming.

Albert Gore is still a true believer. He wrote:

I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion. But unfortunately, the reality of the danger we are courting has not been changed by the discovery of at least two mistakes in the thousands of pages of careful scientific work over the last 22 years by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In fact, the crisis is still growing because we are continuing to dump 90 million tons of global-warming pollution every 24 hours into the atmosphere — as if it were an open sewer.

It is true that the climate panel published a flawed overestimate of the melting rate of debris-covered glaciers in the Himalayas, and used information about the Netherlands provided to it by the government, which was later found to be partly inaccurate. In addition, e-mail messages stolen from the University of East Anglia in Britain showed that scientists besieged by an onslaught of hostile, make-work demands from climate skeptics may not have adequately followed the requirements of the British freedom of information law.

WTF!!! Is Gore doing drugs?

Gore’s lame effort to dismiss these as minor flaws ignores a really big OBSTACLE–THE GODDAMN FACTS.

For Gore to claim that the issue exposed by “the stolen” emails from East Anglia” was a failure to follow Great Britain’s freedom of information law is like claiming that the events on December 7th, 1941 in Pearl Harbor were caused by the failure of sailors to wake up early. The East Anglia emails exposed the INCONVENIENT TRUTH that scientists had knowingly skewed data to produce pre-determined results.

Caleb Howe writing at Redstate notes that:

The damning emails show deliberate manipulation of data to produce the desired “increases in global average air and ocean temperature.” What’s worse, Phil Jones, the scientist at the epicenter of this scandal, “lost” all the original data, which might explain why he has ignored repeated Freedom of Information requests. Jones’ non-peer-reviewed findings are crucial to the famous “hockey stick” graph that alarmed Al Gore into an Oscar. Additionally, the emails show a disdain for the very notion of peer-review as well as active conspiracy to suppress dissenting points of view.

Jones lost the data? Well, that little fact was heralded in the UK Mail with this headline,

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

Got that? NO STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT WARMING IN THE PAST 15 YEARS. Of course for those of you buried up to your ass in snow in the Northeastern United States are probably not shocked by this “revelation.”

Al Gore continues to hang his hat on the conclusion of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that the world is warming. But here come those pesky damn facts again. There is a problem with the underlying data:

“The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change,” said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, a former lead author on the IPCC.

The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.

These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanisation, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site.

Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, and the American states of California and Alabama.

“The story is the same for each one,” he said. “The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development.”

The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report.

The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.

“We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC’s climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias,” he said.

Calabrese summarizes the rest of the bad news for Al Gore:

And still, that is not all. In an admission that rocked the British and Australian press and was mostly ignored here in the States, Professor Phil Jones himself has now conceded that the period of medieval global warming, the mere mention of which would have you swiftly decorated by a scarlett letter mere weeks ago, might, in fact, have actually been warmer than the predicted peak of the current warming. That is extremely significant. In the first place, it shows that the globe has warmed before without the aid of factories and hummers, and in the second place, because, well, there was no APOCALYPSE!!!!!!! as a result of the warming. Jones also revealed that a warming period between 1860 and 1880 occurred at a greater rate of increase than what the warmers themselves purport to be the increase of the past 30 years. These are extremely crucial points, as the extent of warming and the possible consequences are what drive any potential legislation such as what was proposed at Copenhagen in 2009.

And finally, the climategate emails make an important point indeed. For the last decade, the predicted global warming has not occurred. The lack of which, by the way, the guilty scientists referred to as a “travesty.” Of the notion that this was a concerted conspiracy among several key players, there can be little doubt.

The great glacial melt, the massive African famines, the extinction of the polar bears, and the destruction of South American rainforests are the key consequences we’re to see from AGW. Each of these points was made, and hammered upon, in the 2007 IPCC report. Each of these items has since been debunked thoroughly. The predicted devastation was a phantom. Al Gore today, and others in the past few weeks, have attempted to brush this under the carpet as immaterial, on the grounds that only a few of the points from their report have been debunked. What The Telegraph understands is what we should all understand: it’s the very most significant portions of the report that were falsified. The most sensational. The Al Goriest. And of course, that matters a great deal. It is the very direness of the moment that we’re all supposed to be terrified of–Polar bears therefore taxes and all that.

In Al Gore world, however, you can ignore these facts. They are inconvenient, after all. Instead, you peddle a new line of bullshit:

Similarly, even though climate deniers have speciously argued for several years that there has been no warming in the last decade, scientists confirmed last month that the last 10 years were the hottest decade since modern records have been kept.

The heavy snowfalls this month have been used as fodder for ridicule by those who argue that global warming is a myth, yet scientists have long pointed out that warmer global temperatures have been increasing the rate of evaporation from the oceans, putting significantly more moisture into the atmosphere — thus causing heavier downfalls of both rain and snow in particular regions, including the Northeastern United States. Just as it’s important not to miss the forest for the trees, neither should we miss the climate for the snowstorm.

Here is what scientists have found is happening to our climate: man-made global-warming pollution traps heat from the sun and increases atmospheric temperatures. These pollutants — especially carbon dioxide — have been increasing rapidly with the growth in the burning of coal, oil, natural gas and forests, and temperatures have increased over the same period. Almost all of the ice-covered regions of the Earth are melting — and seas are rising. Hurricanes are predicted to grow stronger and more destructive, though their number is expected to decrease. Droughts are getting longer and deeper in many mid-continent regions, even as the severity of flooding increases. The seasonal predictability of rainfall and temperatures is being disrupted, posing serious threats to agriculture. The rate of species extinction is accelerating to dangerous levels.

Let’s face it. Al Gore is a retard. It was just a few years ago (8 to be precise) that we were informed that LACK OF SNOW was proof of man-caused global warming.

Now, it is causing too much snow. That’s not a predictive scientific model. This is snake-handling, tongue speaking religious ecstasy. While Al Gore indulges his apocalyptic wet-dream (or maybe he’s dry humping, we just can’t tell if global warming is making us wetter or drier) those of us living in sunny Florida are experiencing one of the coldest winters on record. One data point does not a conclusion make, but Al and company may want to try some humility and work on coming up with authentic, reliably produced data before trying to panic the world into an economic course of action guaranteed to crash the global economy.

Christopher Booker, writing in The UK’s Daily Telegraph, explains concisely the unraveling of the IPCC so-called “consensus:”

The chief defence offered by the warmists to all those revelations centred on the IPCC’s last 2007 report is that they were only a few marginal mistakes scattered through a vast, 3,000-page document. OK, they say, it might have been wrong to predict that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035; that global warming was about to destroy 40 per cent of the Amazon rainforest and cut African crop yields by 50 per cent; that sea levels were rising dangerously; that hurricanes, droughts and other “extreme weather events” were getting worse. These were a handful of isolated errors in a massive report; behind them the mighty edifice of global warming orthodoxy remains unscathed. The “science is settled”, the “consensus” is intact.

But this completely misses the point. Put the errors together and it can be seen that one after another they tick off all the central, iconic issues of the entire global warming saga. Apart from those non-vanishing polar bears, no fears of climate change have been played on more insistently than these: the destruction of Himalayan glaciers and Amazonian rainforest; famine in Africa; fast-rising sea levels; the threat of hurricanes, droughts, floods and heatwaves all becoming more frequent.

All these alarms were given special prominence in the IPCC’s 2007 report and each of them has now been shown to be based, not on hard evidence, but on scare stories, derived not from proper scientists but from environmental activists. Those glaciers are not vanishing; the damage to the rainforest is not from climate change but logging and agriculture; African crop yields are more likely to increase than diminish; the modest rise in sea levels is slowing not accelerating; hurricane activity is lower than it was 60 years ago; droughts were more frequent in the past; there has been no increase in floods or heatwaves.

Furthermore, it has also emerged in almost every case that the decision to include these scare stories rather than hard scientific evidence was deliberate. As several IPCC scientists have pointed out about the scare over Himalayan glaciers, for instance, those responsible for including it were well aware that proper science said something quite different. But it was inserted nevertheless – because that was the story wanted by those in charge.

In addition, we can now read in shocking detail the truth of the outrageous efforts made to ensure that the same 2007 report was able to keep on board IPCC’s most shameless stunt of all – the notorious “hockey stick” graph purporting to show that in the late 20th century, temperatures had been hurtling up to unprecedented levels. This was deemed necessary because, after the graph was made the centrepiece of the IPCC’s 2001 report, it had been exposed as no more than a statistical illusion. (For a full account see Andrew Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion, and also my own book The Real Global Warming Disaster.)

In other words, in crucial respects the IPCC’s 2007 report was no more than reckless propaganda, designed to panic the world’s politicians into agreeing at Copenhagen in 2009 that we should all pay by far the largest single bill ever presented to the human race, amounting to tens of trillions of dollars. And as we know, faced with the prospect of this financial and economic abyss, December’s Copenhagen conference ended in shambles, with virtually nothing agreed.

What is staggering is the speed and the scale of the unravelling – assisted of course, just before Copenhagen, by “Climategate”, the emails and computer codes leaked from East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit. Their significance was the light they shone on the activities of a small group of British and US scientists at the heart of the IPCC, as they discussed ways of manipulating data to show the world warming faster than the evidence justified; fighting off legitimate requests for data from outside experts to hide their manipulations; and conspiring to silence their critics by excluding their work from scientific journals and the IPCC’s 2007 report itself. (Again, a devastating analysis of this story has just been published by Stephen Mosher and Tom Fuller in Climategate: The CRUtape Letters).

Almost as revealing as the leaked documents themselves, however, was the recent interview given to the BBC by the CRU’s suspended director, Dr Phil Jones, who has played a central role in the global warming scare for 20 years, not least as custodian of the most prestigious of the four global temperature records relied on by the IPCC. In his interview Jones seemed to be chucking overboard one key prop of warmest faith after another, as he admitted that the world might have been hotter during the Medieval Warm Period 1,000 years ago than it is today, that before any rise in CO2 levels temperatures rose faster between 1860 and 1880 than they have done in the past 30 years, and that in the past decade their trend has been falling rather than rising.

Someone alert Al Gore, there is a real “inconvenient truth,” to wit that he, Mr. Gore, is completely and utterly full of shit.

UPDATE: So much for Al Gore’s “settled science:

The cover of Gore’s newest book, Our Choice, even depicts an artist’s impression of a world beset by a series of huge super-hurricanes as a warning of what might happen if carbon emissions continue to rise.

However, the latest research, just published in Nature Geoscience, paints a very different picture.

It suggests that the rise in hurricane frequency since 1995 was just part of a natural cycle, and that several similar previous increases have been recorded, each followed by a decline.

Looking to the future, it also draws on computer modelling to predict that the most likely impact of global warming will be to decrease the frequency of tropical storms, by up to 34% by 2100.

It does, however, suggest that when tropical storms do occur they could get slightly stronger, with average windspeeds rising by 2-11% by 2100. A storm is termed a hurricane when wind speeds exceed 74mph, but most are much stronger. A category 4 or 5 hurricane such as Katrina generates speeds in excess of 150mph.

“We have come to substantially different conclusions from the IPCC,” said Chris Landsea, a lead scientist at the American government’s National Hurricane Center, who co-authored the report.

Cheer up Al. Here’s a song to lift your spirit:

  • jay

    Who let Rush in here?

  • kenoshamarge

    It would appear that the “Inconvenient Truth” is that the science is not settled and that there is a consensus only because dissenting voices were silenced or ridiculed.

    If you are in the right, if you have the “truth” on your side you don’t need to obfuscate, distort and lie.

    I will continue to recycle, compost and act in a manner I consider consistent with being a good citizen of planet earth. I did so long before Al Gore came along to lecture and lie to us.

    We should have known that once politicians got involved in global warming, climate change, pollution, or whatever you want to call it that the facts would become irrelevant. Politics manages to taint everything it touches.

  • Larry Johnson

    Absolutely right.  Treating the environment as a precious resource makes only common sense.  Sadly common sense is a trait Gore does not possess.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent Larry.  Thank you.

    I have been waiting months to hear Al Gore’s response and this is what he came out with?  This was his final attack before the obvious, disappearance in to the hall of shame.

    He only did this because it hit home at Apples Stockholder meeting this past week.  He stayed silent until then and then came out striking with the typical, whining, name calling and rationalizing lies and not discussing the truth.  The next step is his quiet life elsewhere, maybe China.

    This is what he came out with?  Larry, I was right there with you.  ” the discovery of at least two mistakes”.  REALLY?  REALLY AL?  His explanation has just totally lost me forever.  How embarrassing.  Including for me who once believe him.

    Lets try that the very next paragrap pointed out to 3, not two.  And as you correctly pointed out, he lied about those issue.  It was not that the hacked emails were about those poor poor scientists (nice excuse making Al) who didn’t follow the FOI, but that they couldn’t because they threw away the data they used TO MANIPULATE THE CLAIMED DATA THEY WERE USING.  And now, the 2nd most excuse given on the MMGW, The Himalayans, are just  ” published a flawed overestimate of the melting rate of debris-covered glaciers in the Himalayas,”  DAMN THOSE DEBRIS COVERED GLACIERS!

    Al did NOT mention the fake reports about the African crops that were used by the IPCC that were submitted by local Civil Servants and not supported by any science either.  Annnmnnd, sorry, can’t help this, but he ALSO did not mention how the tempatures peaked in 99-00, with, as you pointed out, no real warming since 95, and have started to cool since the peak of 99-00, which MEANS, HIS LIE in his MOVIE ABOUT THE TEMPATURE SPKING ON HIS HOCKEY STICK IN ’04 WAS BULL!

    And of course, that one other little lie that has MADE THEIR ENTIRE ARGUMENT, about maniuplated tempatures.

    OMG Al, this is what you came out with…after all these months, we were treated to this display from you?

    I guess I should be happy my eyes are wide OPEN that I have seen the truth, even as much as a believer as I was.

    And…that guy who left London years ago to China, who pushed this Cap and Trade and wants the one world currency is probably getting a price on his head in China about this very time and everyone is scrambling to cover their asses, huh?

    Because even in this country where our tax dollars have went to financing prvt businesses for wind/solar, etc, have been being shipped overseas to China to make (there goes those damn GREEN jobs)  BUMMER DUDE!

    And still, this Cap and Trade scam that has no way of limiting the carbon that you all are claiming was giving us man made global warming, but driving up power and control and price for energy to trade on the open markets.  And…all of the sudden, we no longer hear, on the heals that you thought you could pass this crap, about a real solution, sequestering carbon from the plants.  I guess because you didn’t want to use coal from the earth.  But yet, those damn wind turbines are freezing up across the country, still, wasting millions of dollars and not produce one kw of energy.

    This is it.  Thanks Al.  I guess I’ll donate all my global warming paraphernalia to a museum to help show this tale that was once told.

  • I’m a Linda too

    And all that was before my coffee, so forgive typos please.  Hubby just walked off in shock that the coffee pot is still full.  Time for another cup.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Oh and it was not even 1 1/2 years ago that Robert Kennedy Jr was saying, “(man made_Global Warming means no snow in Washington DC”.  Now that that story line doesn’t fit, it’s “(man made)Global Warming means tons of snow in Washington DC” lol

  • donjo

    You’re obviously free to believe what you will about “global warming,” but because you copy a few biased articles against what we can see with our lying eyes, doesn’t make your viewpoint correct.  Most of what you present has been debunked over and over by reputable scientists.  I choose to believe the people who have dedicated their lives to studying this issue; not some uninformed bloggers or journalists who cherry pick their “facts” in order to further their agenda
    .
    Most people are concerned with snow and glaciers, but it’s the subtle changes in habitat that’s really the problem.  As an example, we have recently seen birds from Mexico here on the frozen tundra of WI. And our cool-weather trees with no ability to cope are becoming infested with strange warm-weather insects.  However it is difficult to ignore the massive ice melts of Greenland and Antartica.

    Speaking of agendas, I cannot understand people who continue to say it’s all right to keep on with the rape of our planet.  Why is the right wing so entranced with short term monetary gain that nothing else matters, including the existence of our species?  In their greed, do they ever stop and think, “what if I’m wrong?”

  • Cindy

    Larry- –The title of your piece says it all!

    Al Gore never got over losing to George Bush, especially the way he lost. I can’t blame him for that; however, because of that humiliating defeat, he channeled his energies towards touchy-feely environmental issues. And so hellbent was he in reinventing himself and shedding his “loser” image, that he really got sloppy……… Sloppy with facts, sloppy with the friends  and “experts” he chose, and sloppy with his critical thinking abilities.
     This is my opinion about it, but I could be wrong.

  • AC

    Donjo,
    “In their greed, do they ever stop and think, “what if I’m wrong?”
    Fanatics (of whatever political persuasion) never ask it because they’re never wrong.

  • AC

    Donjo,  
    “In their greed, do they ever stop and think, “what if I’m wrong?”
    Fanatics (of whatever political persuasion) never ask it because they’re never wrong.

  • Larry Johnson

    Donjo,
    you are the only cherry picker here.  the studies cited above are peer reviewed.  learn to read you fucking moron.

  • I’m a Linda too

    The sad part is that if I even believed for a moment donjo was serious, in other words, that he was commenting because he believed in man made global warming, I might respond to them.  But, it is clear from his comment that he is just using what has become the normal attacks and talking points of people worrying about a group of people or party.  The projection of his claims of “copy and paste” lol  Very lame.

  • jwrjr

    I beg to differ (although only on a technicality).  The science is settled.  The facts are that the AGW supporters do not have the data to support their claims.  The fact that they seem to need to create “data” to prove their point suggests that they know that their claims are unsupported and possibly unprovable.

  • I’m a Linda too

    *UPDATE* “natural occurence”, as in CLIMATE CHANGE.

    And, any failures is on them for lying their way through this.

    If they wanted to talk about toxins and particulates, they should have stayed with the obvious instead of trying to grab their power and dollars with Man Made Global Warming and now I’m sure all efforts for a cleaner environment will be damaged BECAUSE OF THEM.

  • Noogan

    Climate change is real; global warming is reality. Like it or not, we are contributing to global warming through carbon emissions. IPCC consensus, climate-gate, and other talking points simply do not refute the facts, as evidenced in real-time events. 

    Nice try, LJ, but you’re simply wrong. And, Al Gore is correct about climate change and global warming. 

  • Peggy Sue

    Sorry, I don’t think environmental issues are “touchy-feely,” particularly since the environment, this planet is the only one we have.  Unless, of course, you think that it’s macho to pollute the atmosphere, make drinking water unpotable and blow off moutaintops in an insane push to wring every dollar out of the natural surround.

    That being said the whole Climate Movement [formerly referred to as Global Warming] shot itself in the foot when the scientific community was willing to fudge data, falsify reports, propagandize with gloom and doom scenarios and sign on to the ridiculous and totally useless Cap&Trade idea [except for politicians and financiers, of course, since they were dreaming of big-payoffs on the backs of the West].  Even Osama Bin Laden picked up on that meme–the evil, evil West.

    What I hope is that this will put the brakes on the crazy End of the World, semi-religious nonsense that’s been propagated for the last 15 years, that the scientific community will go back to the drawing boards and reevaluate the data and that the critical need for R&D in clean, sustainable energy sources continues.

    But overall?  This is the House that Lies Bought.  Which ties into a lot of what we’re seeing on many, many fronts.

  • Larry Johnson

    I have a zero tolerance for brain dead retards like you.  The issue, once again, is whether or not the observed changes in temperature are caused, I REPEAT CAUSED, by human activity.  Despite repeated bogus claims that Global Warming was causing less snow, more hurricanes, etc, the fact is that there is no settled science on this.  Earth has been experience global warming and global cooling throughout its existence.  You want to believe in Magic or Little Green Men then go ahead, you are entitled to your fantasies.  But don’t kid yourself that your beliefs have anything to do with science.

  • churl

    My lying eyes tell me the ice caps are melting and snow is increasing, as predicted by the Atlantic Conveyor model. Toss in a rogue ice berg from way down under and you have prescription for more cold winters. Geology says the earth warmed and cooled many times without us; whether we are responsible for the latest rise in sea levels drowning South Pacific islands is not proven, but does that mean we should continue the way we always have? To me, that sounds insane. To demonize people who sound alarms in good faith also seems irrational. So can we continue to listen to the alarmists, both of the enviornmental and terrorist (and even financial variety) without a buttload of rancor?

  • mortuus lark

    Face it donjo you have been recasted as mortuus donjo.

  • mortuus lark

    What do I have here? Mortuus Noogan.

  • mortuus lark

    Don’t contradict daddy, momma and the kids or you’ll get slapped.

  • mortuus lark

    God will clean the planet, litereally.

  • I’m a Linda too

    AND…forgot about the “ice shelf break off” that was supposed to also have been caused by mm global warming, ie melting.  It seems that was do to oceanic waves.

  • mortuus lark

    The only thing I object is that if Al Gore wants to be believable, he should write his articles, first in Chinese, then in various Indian dialects, then translate them correctly into English.

    If he did that, then I will believe him. Otherwise, he is anti-American.

  • mortuus lark

    God will clean the planet, litereally.

  • mortuus lark

    God will clean the planet, litereally.

  • mortuus lark

    Slap the nutty girl.

  • HARP

    Good lord people…….do a little research of your own.

    Through a process known as chemical weathering, rainwater combines with CO2 gas in the air and forms carbonic acid. Carbonic acid “attacks” the silicate bedrock and creates carbon-containing ions that are carried to the ocean by rivers. This carbon is ultimately stored in the shells of marine plankton. When marine plankton die, they fall to the sea floor where their carbon gets buried in the sediment. Therefore, chemical weathering removes atmospheric carbon and causes a cooler climate.
    During the process of plate tectonics the sea floor spreads. As the sea floor spreads, sediment containing carbon is forced into the earth’s interior (by a process known as subduction) and is melted. When magma rises and is ejected by volcanoes, the carbon is released back into the air. During increased periods of plate tectonics (more volcanism) there are higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and the climate warms.
    Approximately 55 million years ago, India slammed into Asia and began to build the Himalayan Mountains. These mountains are still rising today. Due to the massive amount of material being uplifted by this collision, chemical weathering rates over the past 55 million years have been very high resulting in a gradual tectonic cooling since that time.

    http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/natural_causes_climate_change.html

  • boonies

    Churl, we do need to listen to them…then compare and contrast it with other responsible views and come to a conclusion based on a gradual accumulation of evidence NOT a panicstricken stampede of media mongering.
    In lieu of Global cool…er,Global Warm…er, Climate Cha…er, whatever they’ll rename it, how about we look at verifiable , observable things like,say,  Air Quality or Water Quality?
    Stuff you can compare today  from 1 to  5 yrs. ago and see what we need to do, not HYSTERICAL PREDICTIONS  about earth temperatures rising a whole 1-10th of a degree in 50 years?
    Acting on groundless predictions is like handing down a jury decision based on alleged wrongdoing…my $.02

  • I’m a Linda too

    And Sierra just put out their latest magazing with

    …”pass cap and trade”.  They actually wrote, “In January 2010, investors representing $13 trillion called on policy makers to set strong policies-including a cap on carbon – to address climate change.”

    NO SHIT!  A lot of money to  be made on this.  And that Cap and Trade will do nothing to limit carbon emissions, but merely start charging a lot for energy because they will be trading permits on the openn market and allowing the free ones given by Obama to be traded between the companies.

    What happened to the technology to Sequester Carbon?  Oh right, like “who killed the electric car”, you can’t make money or grab power on efficiency on what we already have.

  • mortuus lark

    Why don’t you drink espresso coffee latte. Is actually good for you.

    American coffee is a killer, destroys the intestine, make you burst in explossion on the toilet, and will induce many diseases.

    No? Oh well keep it up.

  • mortuus lark

    God will clean the planet, litereally.

  • I’m a Linda too

    And of course, Sierra, last year, wrote “two reasons” why we must act on [man made]climate change…and half of their two reasons was “The Himalayns” which of course has shown to be just a tale.

    ‘nuf said.

  • Larry Johnson

    “Continue the way we always have?”  Meaning what?  Cooking and heating homes with firewood?  Shifting to nuclear energy?  Fueling lamps with whale oil?
    Your juvenile approach start with the false assumption that we actually know the specific human actions that are effecting a specific change.  We don’t.  That’s the point.

    I’m all in favor of taking steps to ensure we do not poison our air and water.  But it is hubris and arrogance to assume that we even understand the role human beings play in global climate change.  I don’t believe in making policy on what is essentially a religious belief.

  • mortuus lark

    God will fix everything his way.

  • Diana L. C.

    All my experience in academia has been in the arts and humanities.  I became very disgusted over the last few decades when I noticed a severe shift toward writing to further one’s “cred” in one’s “chosen” theory.  In the English departments it becomes laughable.  For example, you sit around the table and listen for six hours (two weeks of the semester seminar) discussing why William Langland, the likely poet of “Piers Plowman” in the Middle Ages, writing in Middle English, as a lower echelon Catholic cleric who obviously favored Augustine and never once referred to Jerome as Chaucer often did chose allegorize this deadly sin as female and this other one as male.  That is because the particular professor conducting the course is a radical feminist who basically believes women believes women are from a different species from men (my exageration).  If you, as a student, are really interested in the discussing whether the slant toward Augustine moves away from the terrible misogyny of Jerome, you are out of luck.  “No one is interested in Christianity anymore.”  So this great Christian poem is only now fertile ground for bashing men according to feminist theory.

    That’s one example of the type of a priori research being done in one particular department.  But Augustine Brannigan’s excellent book The Rise and Fall of Social Psychology clearly demonstrates how a priori research following invalid research methods has created “truths” in that field that are now never questioned, as they should be.  Too many people’s careers have been built on these flawed “truths.”

    I had, I guess, been dreaming and holding on to the hope that the hard sciences had not gone in that direction. 

    I really fear they’ve also gone down the pit of deciding a theory is TRUE and then figuring out how to make the “research” prove it’s so. 

    I used to love Captain Picard’s “make it so” command on Star Trek, but I do not like it in university research.

  • Diana L. C.

    And I really wish we had a spelling/grammar checker on this as I have in Word.  I get to typing too fast, so forgive the many mistakes.  :-[

  • mortuus lark

    I think natural global warming is nothing to worry about until we decide what to do with nuclear materials that are lingering in tanks outside nuclear facilities. But even that is nothing compare to the danger of weapon’s grade uranium that has been compressed into nuclear explosives and that will need to be disposed off when the missiles that carry them get decomissioned. Now that’s global warming if I may say so.

    They make for pretty good stoves.

  • mortuus lark

    I think natural global warming is nothing to worry about until we decide what to do with nuclear materials that are lingering in tanks outside nuclear facilities. But even that is nothing compare to the danger of weapon’s grade uranium that has been compressed into nuclear explosives and that will need to be disposed off when the missiles that carry them get decomissioned. Now that’s global warming if I may say so. 
     
    They make for pretty good stoves.

    Of course we can always use nuclear material at airports to scan underneath the clothing of every child we have in the country.

  • mortuus lark

    I think natural global warming is nothing to worry about until we decide what to do with nuclear materials that are lingering in tanks outside nuclear facilities. But even that is nothing compare to the danger of weapon’s grade uranium that has been compressed into nuclear explosives and that will need to be disposed off when the missiles that carry them get decomissioned. Now that’s global warming if I may say so.  
      
    They make for pretty good stoves. 
     
    Of course we can always use nuclear material at airports to scan underneath the clothing of every child we have in the country.

    “Like”s requested. The more the better.

  • mortuus lark

    Let me think about forgiving your many spelling/grammar mistakes. Mmmmm. No, I won’t forgive them. Because you didn’t forgave mine. ;)

    Learn English but also learn Chinese and Spanish at the same time.

  • mortuus lark

    Let me think about forgiving your many spelling/grammar mistakes. Mmmmm. No, I won’t forgive them. Because you didn’t forgive mine. ;)  
     
    Learn English but also learn Chinese and Spanish at the same time.

  • oowawa

    You’re cool!

  • Craig Della Penna

    Naive scientists faking data, hyperbole pro and con, conspiracy theories right and left…
    This kind of thing always happens when people try to simplify complex ideas. Let’s take another crack at it…
    The facts are:
    We don’t yet understand how climate changes work or are caused over the medium and long term (hundreds to thousands of years).
    We don’t know if we are in a natural climate change cycle and, if so, what that cycle might be.
    We don’t know how and to what extent human activity is affecting global climate change.
    But,
    We do know that pouring hundreds of billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere over the last 100 years is very likely to have a negative impact on our overall climate.
    We do know that glaciers all over the globe are shrinking – there’s photographic evidence of this. The arctic ice pack seems to be dwindling year on year and the West Antarctic ice sheet just calved off two ‘icebergs’ the size of Luxembourg (about 1,000 sq mi), a couple of years ago there was one the size of Rhode Island (about 1,500 sq mi). This all looks like evidence that something is going on.
    We do know that by the time it becomes evident to all that we are changing the climate (or even tipping the balance) it will be far, far too late to do anything about it – hence all the purple prose and histrionics by the climate ‘truthers’.
    If the above facts are correct, and I believe they are, then logic leads us to an inescapable, if inconvenient, truth:
    Despite mad scientists manipulating their data, despite the eco-nuts desire to move us all back to using bamboo bicycles, despite your distaste for Al Gore… they’re right: we have to start taking remedial measures now.
    We have to stop using oil and coal to power our civilization (there are practical alternatives).
    We have to restructure our manufacturing, production and consumption processes to reduce the fantastic waste we have become accustomed to.
    Denying that there is a problem will not do this, magical thinking will not do this, killing the messengers will not do this.
    We have to stand up, take our courage in hand and start discussing, addressing, planning and implementing solutions that will ameliorate and reverse the negative effects we have had on the planet.
    It won’t be easy, or sexy but it can be done and it is necessary.

  • Cindy

    Peggy Sue,
     By “touchy feely”  I meant sure to elicit an emotional response from his followers, and potential followers.
    To my knowlege,  I was the first public school teacher in central Oklahoma to have her students celebrate the very first Earth Day in 1970. I plannned an entire day’s and evening’s activities for the school …..nobody even knew what I was talking about, but the kids loved it and i think it sparked some lifelong interest for many of them.
    Sorry if my choice of words offended, but I, like I’m a Linda too, have not had enough coffee this morn.

  • devildog666

    Global Warming is a scam. Carbon levels are endangering the earth, but you can purchase or trade carbon credits to emit as much as you can afford, with Al Gore’s organization taking a cut, you know it’s just to enrich the scammers. If it was really that critical, there should be no exceptions to the limits they want to impose on the rest of us and Al should stop polluting, get rid of his private jets and mansions and get a mule and tent…
     
    If changing your light bulbs or corking a cow’s butt is suppose to save us, then were already gone. Here we are on a smoldering rock orbiting around a ball of fire which will eventually nova. If there is anything left alive on the planet when that occurs, it will instantly be turned into a crispy critter. Our control over long term events is miniscule at best.
    Clean air and water are a necessity, but even eliminating all human life will not stop carbon emissions. We need a common sense approach with the realization the long term environment is naturally changing and we will need to adapt to it.

  • mortuus lark

    Talk for yourself.

    My water bill for February was $10.10

    My electric bill for Jan was 113. and for Feb 115.

    And yes my thermostat was on 72 degrees. Why? I insulated all my windows with my own invention to keep me real cozy.

  • standard

    Sorry, Larry.  I’m with Gore on this one.
    Nukes aren’t his idea.  Obama has been in with the nuclear industry for quite a while.  They gave money to his senate election campaigns.

  • mortuus lark

    Talk for yourself. 
     
    My water bill for February was $10.10 
     
    My electric bill for Jan was 113. and for Feb 115. 
     
    And yes my thermostat was on 72 degrees. Why? I insulated all my windows with my own invention to keep me real cozy. I spent let me see: 2 dollars in materials.

  • Tricia

    I was disappointed to learn about the poor quality data, but that doesn’t necessraily mean that something bad is not happening.

    NOW what I would rather do is focus on a problem just as serious that is being ttally ignored and yet it 100% provable.  The “Garbage Patches” of plastics in our oceans.  The largest one is at least twice the size of Texas (in the Northern Pacidic).  This crap will never biodegrade, only break down into little pieces thta the fish will eat because it looks like food. 

    It’s there.  We can SEE it.  Why isn’t anyone ding anything?

  • mortuus lark

    Talk for yourself.  
      
    My water bill for February was $10.10  
      
    My electric bill for Jan was 113. and for Feb 115.  

      
    And yes my thermostat was on 72 degrees. Why? I insulated all my windows with my own invention to keep me real cozy. I spent let me see: 2 dollars in materials. 

  • Diana L. C.

    I can read Spanish, and I can speak German and read it and understand it.  I have also studied Latin several years.  I can read Old English and also Middle English.  I think that is enough at my age. 

    I do forgive your mistakes.  I don’t call you on them except to give you helpful advice in regard to actually learning how certain words have been acquired in English, as I have also studied extensively modern linguistic theory.  And to help you understand the difference between the accepted usage of words such as spoused vs. espoused. 

    Other people have also pointed out to you, for example, the difference between loose and lose.  A true lover of language would take that help and learn from it.

    There is a difference between spelling mistakes that are really mistakes in typing and grammatical mistakes that result from typing too fast.

    As far as Chinese goes, you can learn it all you want, and since I believe you are a woman, I hope you decide to move there.

  • standard

    “Got that? NO STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT WARMING IN THE PAST 15 YEARS.”   Melted glaciers don’t count.

  • Peggy Sue

    No apology necessary, Cindy.  The phrase just rubbed me the wrong way [maybe I need to check my coffee intake, too]. It’s the sort of brush-off phrase I’ve heard too often by people arguing financial considerations over everything else.  

    I tend to lean towards balance and moderation.  I’m certainly not a Luddite but I know in my gut [as I think the vast majority of people do] that we cannot afford to soil the nest or take environmental issues lightly.  Can’t fool Mother Nature, as they say. 

  • Diana L. C.

    While I agree with you, I question the Cap and Trade method of working toward a solution.  How many times does money just buy one’s way out of trouble, for instance in our leagal system.  This method seems to allow some companies to pollute as much as they want as long as they buy their way out.

  • Yttik

    Here’s an oldie but goodie from George Carlin. Warning, foul language!!

    Saving the Planet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

  • mortuus lark

    In view of the kind response posted below, the malignant response to the original apology is now being radiated with nuclear waste radiation to cause it disappear in an half accelerated time.

    Warning: The radiation effect and its lingering side effects may cause you dizziness and nausea. Disregard that and take it as a patriot.

  • mortuus lark

    In view of the kind response posted below, the malignant response to the original apology is now being radiated with nuclear waste radiation to cause it disappear in an half accelerated time. 
     
    Warning: The radiation effect and its lingering side effects may cause you dizziness and nausea. Disregard that and take it as a patriot.

  • mortuus lark

    In view of the kind response posted below, the malignant response to the original apology is now being radiated with nuclear waste radiation to cause it disappear in an half accelerated time.  
      
    Warning: The radiation effect and its lingering side effects may cause you dizziness and nausea. Disregard that and take it as a patriot.

  • mortuus lark

    In view of the kind response posted above, the malignant response to the original apology above the above is now being radiated with nuclear waste radiation to cause it disappear in an half accelerated time.   
       
    Warning: The radiation effect and its lingering side effects may cause you dizziness and nausea. Disregard that and take it as a patriot.


    Danger: Do not get close to your monitor until this process ends.

  • Cindy

    Diana L. C.–wow! You are amazing and have impressed the hell out of me…(But I can read pig latin ;) )

    Larry attracts some really wonderful intellects to the Quarter, (and you’re definitely one of them) and that’s one reason it’s the best blog in the universe.

  • Ron

    What will be down right funny is when the Nobel Prize has to be returned Gore will claim he lost it……

  • mortuus lark

    I am trading my 65 dollar savings in my water bill for 35 dollars and I am trading my 180 savings in my electric bill for 130 dollars.

    Any takers?

  • mortuus lark

    I am trading my 65 dollar savings in my water bill for 35 dollars and I am trading my 180 dollars savings in my electric bill for 130 dollars.  
     
    Any takers?

    Japanese Yen prefered?

  • donjo

    One thing I am not and that is a fucking moron.  No one, not even you, deserves such venality. Does calling people names make you feel good?  Apparently, since reading through this tread seems to present evidence that it does.  Apparently there are a lot of us fucking morons out there since not all us are naive enough to swallow whatever is presented to us.  Do you  think the articles and data that are presented in opposition to your views are also not “peer” reviewed?  You basically presented the Rush Limbaugh Scientific Collection of Bull Shit Facts.  I used to think highly of your opinions; no more. Kindly stick to what you’re actually knowledgeable about – spy stuff.     

  • donjo

    Larry: One thing I am not and that is a fucking moron.  And disagreeing with you doesn’t make me one.  In fact, the converse seems true.  No one, not even you, deserves such venality. Does calling people names make you feel good?  Apparently, since reading through this tread seems to present evidence that it does.  It seems there are a lot of us fucking morons out there since not all us are naive enough to swallow whatever is presented to us.  Do you  think the articles and data that are presented in opposition to your views are also not “peer” reviewed?  You basically presented the Rush Limbaugh Scientific Collection of Bull Shit Facts.  I used to think highly of your opinions; no more. Kindly stick to what you’re actually knowledgeable about – spy stuff.

  • mortuus lark

    some really wonderful intellects


    Thank you very much.

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree, Diana.  And one of the boondoggles to this whole question of Climate Change is the Cap&Trade scenario that will virtually do nothing to change anything but will eat up finite funds on a fool’s errand.  I would much rather look at something similar to what the Zabels discussed in their You Tube presentation.  Linda A.  had mentioned this in her essay about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  Vid below [See if I can get this to work]

  • mortuus lark

    some really wonderful intellects 
     
     
    Thank you very much, Cindy. I knew you would come through for me.

  • mortuus lark

    some really wonderful intellects  
      
      
    Thank you very much, Cindy. 

  • mortuus lark

    some really wonderful intellects   
       
       
    Thank you very much
    , Cindy.

  • carol haka

    ABCNews closing all of its bureaus except Washington.  Since they report “no news” they might as well close Washington also.

    O/T Drudge shows BO drinking a nice big beer.  He was declared in “excellent health” except for all of that “smoking, drinking and cholesterol” problem he has going on.

    I’m dizzy from all the spin.

    NO MORE DRUGGIES in the White House.  I guess that leaves Sarah and Hillary.

    :*

  • donjo

    CDP: Thanks for the calm, common sense. Whatever is causing these problems, it seems to be in our best interests to do what we can to lessen the impact. 

  • ces

    I use liberal amounts of Tin Foil: That’ll at least keep ME warm….

  • Craig Della Penna

    I don’t support C&T, I regard it as a ruse that allows the usual suspects to make more money off our misery.

  • AC

    A lot of hot air in your house.

  • Craig Della Penna

    A recent British study avers that, contrary to common belief, tinfoils hats do not deflect but actually concentrate the alien brainwaves…
    Be warned…

  • Noogan

    The only “brain dead retard” is the one who has to resort to epithets to make an “argument” Larry. So, you win the prize for “brain dead retard” of the day, particularly on this issue, since you like to let political talking points rule your logic. 

    The facts are clear: HUMAN ACTIVITY IS CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING. So, I have zero tolerance for deniers who continue to make political arguments to deny observable scientific fact.

    For example:

    http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090601-ice-circles.html

    Flat earthers like yourself didn’t want to believe the facts either. Unfortunately facts have a way of catching up to the deniers, eventually, as they will for you:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/...Methane levels may see ‘runaway’ rise, scientists warnA rapid acceleration may have begun in levels of a gas far more harmful than CO2By Michael McCarthyAtmospheric levels of methane, the greenhouse gas which is much more powerful than carbon dioxide, have risen significantly for the last three years running, scientists will disclose today – leading to fears that a major global-warming “feedback” is beginning to kick in.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...Climate change could be accelerated by ‘methane time bomb’By Heidi BlakeExperts have long feared that vast amounts of the natural gas trapped in the frozen tundra of the Arctic could be unlocked as the permafrost is melted by rising temperatures, triggering a “methane time bomb” that could cause temperatures to soar.

    Climate Change is Real: 
    http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2009/media/1021climate_letter.pdf

  • Noogan

    A few people willing to “fudge” data under intense pressure from denialists, does not negate the fact that scientists as a whole overwhelmingly state that climate change is real; climate change is worsened by human activity; and if we don’t start reducing our carbon emissions, we will see climate-change induced catastrophic consequences. 

  • ces

    ¬ø¬. ∂官 ¥ø¨ ƒø¨˜∂ µ´ ø¨†≥≥≥≥

  • mortuus lark

    Like with GW, the facts are that tinfoils, concentrate and deflect, both. *DONT_KNOW*

  • mortuus lark

    Like with GW, the facts are that tinfoils, concentrate and deflect, both. *DONT_KNOW*

  • Docelder

    Poor Al, he was this close to world domination. Then it was gone. If HeroBama just could have closed the sale in Copenhagen. But alas, timing is everything. No doubt the carbon traders will be back, harping about “acid oceans”. They will say the p.h. 5000 feet down is too low. How many people can measure that? How hard would it be to ge to them? Probably not so hard, when you have the grant money to pass around. It will be along these lines. We are already seeing the claim that January 2010 was the hottest ever. This avergaing the entire world bth hemispheres together. Still it all depends where the thermometers are placed. On the pavement it is pretty hot. Still, you would need to be able to believe the source of the data amalgamation. The thing is, if you can’t believe the source then it doesn’t matter much what they say about it. It would be like believing HeroBama one more time. The thrill is gone.

    I saw this the other day from Australia. It is a pretty good compilation of this clmate information. Acording to these graphs, the variations we have been seeing are normal. If anything we are cooling over the long term, and are due for another ice age actually. Whatever, we can deal with it once we know what we are up against. We won’t know that until we get the politics and big money out of “science”.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-big-picture-65-million-years-of-temperature-swings/

  • Patience

    I live what’s considered a “sustainable” lifestyle:  I reside in an historic, multi-family building, I don’t own a car, I shop at the local public market using my own totes so as not to require as much packaging or bags, etc.. etc.  I’m a conservationist by nature and consider it my duty to be a good citizen environmentally.  BUT, I’ve come to disbelieve the notion of AGW.  There seems to be a clear agenda (including the prospect of financial gain) among those towing the party line, whether they be businessmen or academics.   

  • Noogan

    Ridiculous. The science is clear; the issue has been obfuscated and distracted by know-nothings who cannot see the science for the politics. It’s America’s “O.J.” moment–and Larry has fallen for it.

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175211/tomgram%3A_bill_mckibben%2C_climate_change%27s_o.j._simpson_moment/

  • Docelder

    The environmental movement has always been a hotbed for activism. Al Gore is looking like an activist. Yes, I think he thought he was “entitled” to be President, and I think some of what he has done has been a sort of passive aggressive payback for us for not selecting him. I always envisioned him flying way over us little people in his private jet… a big fluffy white cat in his lap… breaking into spontaneous belly laughter thinking about middle class Americans struggling to pay their electric bills and unable to afford ribs for their fourth of July cookouts.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The problem here is that many people do not understand science and its methods.  They also do not understand that both sides of this one issue are pouring a lot of money into their own prejudices. I tire of the politicization of science by both the right and left. The information gathered should be reviewed, peer-reviewed, and then allowed to speak for itself without manipulation, word-smithing, or selective interpretation/omission. Global warming may indeed be very real. The trouble is finding the culprit(s), which may turn out to be a combination of things, some within our power to control and others outside our control. But that is a scenario that won’t put politicians from either side in office so the shouting match begins in earnest and science once again gets a black eye from the misuse of its data.

  • Diana L. C.

    Thanks, you are better than I.  No one around me ever did pig latin, but I did master the “ong” language and Shirley Ellis’s name game.

    I’ll let some of our very intelligent commenters here, repond to m. lark from now on in pig latin, ong language, and also have fun with her name. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    “There seems to be a clear agenda (including the prospect of financial gain) among those towing the party line, whether they be businessmen or academics. ”

    Bingo.

  • Diana L. C.

    What will happen to all the mercury in the “better” new light bulb? 

  • Ferd Berfle

    And your mind represents a singulatiry from which coherent thought cannot escape.

  • Noogan
  • Docelder
  • Docelder

    I agree with that. I just think the worst recession or undeclared depression since the great depression isn’t the optimal time to do something directly detrimental to business. I lean toward business for that reason.

  • Ferd Berfle

    When I speak of misuse, I know that a great deal of misuse goes on, both by scientists and non-scientists alike. I am often called upon to validate laboratory data and during the course of such review, I am often led to reject as unusable some (or all) of the data. This doesn’t sit well with the end users as they then have to collect additional samples, a process which often delays their projects. The often apply enormous pressure to get the data “un-rejected” so they can use it to prove or disprove a particular point. I then am compelled to write a dense justification for the original rejection that screws up my schedule. This is real-world stuff which happens more times than I care to remember.

  • oowawa

    Ferd, I can’t imagine anybody disagreeing with this sane and measured statement.  I’ll be curious if someone objects (except for the usual suspect) . . .

  • ces

    Ferd, that implies mL has any coherent thoughts…

  • Ferd Berfle

    Thanks, oowawa. There will be some objection, though, because sound science cannot be manipulated by either the right or the left, which makes it taboo.

  • Ferd Berfle

    “I agree with that. I just think the worst recession or undeclared depression since the great depression isn’t the optimal time to do something directly detrimental to business.”
     
    While I agree with the sentiment, there is never a “right” time for business, given its history with even incremental environmental regulations. Moreover, the only reason some of the regulations actually work is because, such as under RCRA, company executives can face prison time for intentional violations.

  • Ferd Berfle

    LMAO

  • I’m a Linda too

    Exelong was Barry’s first big payoff “special interest” contributor.  He changed policy in Chicago for them so they don’t have to even be accountable for their “leakage” in to their water supply.

    Barry showed everyone early on he could be bough.  Hence, HI MED (ka Obamacare)

    But Obama being hObama and being bought by all these Corporate donors does not make for support for Al’s lies.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Exelon was Barry’s first big payoff “special interest” contributor. He changed policy in Chicago for them so they don’t have to even be accountable for their “leakage” in to their water supply. 

    Barry showed everyone early on he could be bough. Hence, HI MED (ka Obamacare)

    But Obama being hObama and being bought by all these Corporate donors does not make for support for Al’s lies

  • Onofre’s arm

    Intentionally distorting facts is the biggest wart on the entire AGW hoax. Algore is such a stupendous buffoon, that he betrays himself and his cause celebre with his laughable movie. He committed rhetorical suicide by producing a ridiculous movie that was so jam packed with far more falsehoods than truths, that he destroyed any hopes he may have had at effectively defending his preposterous premises. Why does he need to lie and distort if his claims and predictions of global warmageddon are so firmly anchored in fact? In a debate, the moment one side uses a single falsehood to support their argument, and they’re caught, they lose the contest. Algore and the rest of the warmongers have presented countless falsehoods, they lose!

    I wish it were still fashionable to tar and feather charlatans, and ride them out on a rail, Algore begs for such treatment. Perhaps we’ll have to settle for ramming his Oscar up his ass, it’l keep his head company.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Exelong was Barry’s first payoff, corporate special interest donor.  He changed policy in Chicago for them so they didn’t have to even be accountable for their “leakage” in to their water supply.  

    Barry showed everyone early on he could be bought. Hence, HI MED (aka Obamacare)[Big Pharama, AMA, Insurance, Hospital Assoc]  

    But Obama being hObama and being bought by all these Corporate donors does not make for support for Al’s lies

  • Diana L. C.

    Yes, Ferd!

    That’s exactly what I mean about how the hard sciences have sometimes lost tract of the correct way to conduct academic research.  It’s the a priori research and the research done ad baculum because someone is holding the stick of a huge grant or a career promotion that ruins the reputation of our universities.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Donjo, you squeal about so-called right wing bullshit facts, and then you comically cite “the massive ice melts of Greenland and Antarctica” as though this was fact. Guess what genius, it ain’t happenin’!

  • mortuus lark

    Fun is what is it all about, no?

  • devildog666

    The mercury will be disposed of in special mercury pollution dumps. If you break a bulb you’ll be stuck with calling in a decontamination team and paying the $5,000.00 cleanup tab.

    Isn’t it wonderful, all the new jobs that will be created.

  • mortuus lark

    Ferd I am glad we have you here as Dadda.

  • mortuus lark

    Ferd I am glad we have you here as Dadda.

  • mortuus lark

    Ferd, you should frame that and hang it off your living room wall. Is that good.

  • mortuus lark

    Ferd, you should frame all that and hang it off your living room wall. Is that good.

  • mortuus lark

    Ferd, you should frame all that and hang it off your living room wall. Is that good.

    Likes requested

  • mortuus lark

    Fucking moron is better than mortuus donjo. I think.

  • mortuus lark

    “the massive ice melts of Greenland and Antarctica” ain’t happenin!

    So says the gods.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yay Harp! I’m a geologist and your descriptions are very accurate, thanks for presenting them, you’ve saved me the trouble. I’ve grown weary trying to educate people on this issue, because it’s frustrating to have the knowledge that has taken me years to acquire thrown back in my face by fanatic warmongers and greenie cultists.

    I’m glad you mentioned the rise of the Himalayas. The Andes, the Cascades, and many other mountain ranges all over the world are also rising. The Appalachians were once higher than the Himalayas, but they’ve mostly eroded away. Since all of the surface of this planet can’t logically be rising at the same time, it is obvious that there must be some subsidence somewhere to balance out the rising. The islands that are claimed to be suffering from sea level rise, are more likely SINKING! DUH!!! Of course, some sea level rise is occuring and accounts for some of the problem, but the seas have risen 60 FEET in the last 10,000 years, or an average of 7.2 inches a century. Algore and the rest of the warmonger nitwits scream that the end is near because the seas have risen 1 and 1/2 inches in the last twenty years. HELLO! 7.2″ divided by 5 (20 is one fifth of 100 donjo and noogan) is 1.44″ which is remarkably close to 1.5″, doncha think?

    The alarmists are freaking out over something that is occurring naturally, and it would be amusing to watch them run around like chickens with their heads cut off, except that their actions and demands are having a disastrous impact on our lives.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The “science” that is supposedly settled by the IPCC is based on unreliable data.

    The IPCC warming model uses tree rings to extrapolate temperature data. The researchers looked at the past 100 years of temperature measured by instruments, and compared it to tree growth.

    Since there are only 100 years of instument temperature data, the researchers used the tree rings to extrapolate temperatures. The IPCC model extrapolated temperature from tree rings back to 1400.

    The theory was that when temperatures are warmer, trees grow more, and the rings would be bigger.

    The temperatures matched tree rings nicely, up until 1960, when temperatures and tree ring size diverged. After 1960 tree rings no longer match temperature, and the IPCC data actually showed a cooling period from 1950 to 1994.

    Ooops… but rather than go back to the drawing board, the “scientists” hid the data that showed cooling.

    The “neat trick” in emails and memos was to hide the cooling data.

    If the deleted data were added back into the “warming curve” it would show the cooling period of the past 50 years. The chart below is what Al Gores warming curve shows with the data added back in.

  • mortuus lark

    Two things for you Noogan to consider.

    First that an unexpected event such as the one you just point to, will ultimately dimise the earth and most of the poor inhabitants of the planet, including those of the U.S. So we know that either God is in “control” which he isn’t as such or the End is Near.

    But Second and much more importantly, since there is only one earth, science is irrelevant. The sample is “One” just like Obama is “One.”

    Dig it?

  • Anonymous

    Larry,

    I appreciate you taking a look at the global warming issue, but don’t get so bamboozalled by just the predictable right-wing arguments and so-called “climategate”. There is too much good information on this issue out there to just be focused on these very narrow arguments.

    I suggest you read this one article written by a conservative.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6931598.ece

    “There is, I saw, a fine line between the hard-head and the bone-head. The denialist hard-head swaggers his way through life hearing only what he wants to hear, that warmism is either a hoax, a gross error or just another End-of-the-World scare story. But if you suspend your prejudices and your vanity for a moment, everything changes. You find out that the following statements are true beyond argument.

    The climate is warming. It is almost certain this is caused by emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activity. Nobody has come up with an alternative explanation that stands up. If the present warming trend continues, nasty things will probably start happening to humans within the next century, possibly the next decade. Something must be done. If nothing is done, then the benign climatic conditions that have sustained human civilisation for 10,000 years are in danger of collapse to be replaced by? well, write your own disaster movie.”

    The controversy over “Climategate” or emails is completely being blown out of proportion. The emails tehemselves were taken completely out of context and as Prof. Jones says from today’s testimony:

    “You’re only seeing a tenth of one per cent of my emails in this group. l don’t think there’s anything in those emails that supports any views that I or the CRU are trying to pervert the peer review process in any way. I’ve just been giving my views on specific papers.”

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/climategate+jones+admits+to+aposawful+emailsapos/3566357

    And even if you want to believe that the emails compromised a couple of scientists out of the thousands, they do not compromise the science itself.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/

  • mortuus lark

    My water bill for February was $10.10   
       
    My electric bill for Jan was 113. and for Feb 115.  
     
       
    And yes my thermostat was on 72 degrees. Why? I insulated all my windows with my own invention to keep me real cozy. I spent let me see: 2 dollars in materials.  

    This shows you all to be a bunch of blabbermouth hypocrites.

    I am doing something tangible about it and don’t need to prove anything.

  • mortuus lark

    Fucking moron is better than mortuus donjo. I think. Just welcome to the club.

  • Cindy

    onofre—you make some really good points.
     I actually never saw his movie, even though I was a Dem back then.
    I thought it was a tad hyped-up… and that alone turned me away, even before I could get to the box office. 
    Now I’m so glad I can say I never saw it!

  • Ladydawnelle

    Hello!!!!   DID you even READ what  kenoshamarge just said?

    “If you are in the right, if you have the “truth” on your side you don’t need to obfuscate, distort and lie.”

    what part of that is the looney left afraid of?  or the looney RIGHT for that matter?  just STOP LYING, TWISTING & PRETENDING because we can SEE thru it!  NO one (sane) wants to destroy the planet!

  • Ladydawnelle

    tyvm

  • mortuus lark

    Fun is what is it all about, no?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Even Factcheck.org says the warming “scientists” are using flawed data, and omitting data from their model.

    Factched still believes in global warming even after admitting the data is fabricated.

    The Warming ”scientists” claim trees are an accurate measure of past temperature and an inaccurate measure of present temperature.

    From Factcheck.org:
    “Claims that the e-mails are evidence of fraud or deceit, however, misrepresent what they actually say. A prime example is a 1999 e-mail from Jones, who wrote: “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” Skeptics claim the words “trick” and “decline” show Jones is using sneaky manipulations to mask a decline in global temperatures. But that’s not the case. Actual temperatures, as measured by scientific instruments such as thermometers, were rising at the time of the writing of this decade-old e-mail, and (as we’ve noted) have continued to rise since then. Jones was referring to the decline in temperatures implied by measurements of the width and density of tree rings. In recent decades, these measures indicate a dip, while more accurate instrument-measured temperatures continue to rise.”
     
     

  • Ladydawnelle

    Good!  Thanks for saving all those extra WATTS for me!

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    If the “science” is so certain, why do the scientists need to fudge the numbers?

    When science was telling us that cigarettes, coal dust, and asbestos were bad for our lungs, no one needed to fudge the numbers except the industries that were saying it wasn’t so.

    In the case for “Global Warming”, the only fudging and stretching of data is being done by the pro-warming pseudo-scientists. That is enough to tell me “Global Warming” is just warm Bullcaca.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    If the “science” is so certain, why do the scientists need to fudge the numbers?
    When science was telling us that cigarettes, coal dust, and asbestos were bad for our lungs, no one needed to fudge the numbers except the industries that were saying it wasn’t so.
    In the case for “Global Warming”, the only fudging and stretching of data is being done by the pro-warming pseudo-scientists. That is enough to tell me “Global Warming” is just warm Bullcaca.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The IPCC data uses tree rings to extrapolate temperatures. The theory is that when rings are smaller it is due to colder temps, and when larger there are warmer temps.

    The problem with the theory is the IPCC omitted the data from 1950 to present that shows tree ring size DOES NOT correlate to temperature. 

    The data and theory are FLAWED.

    Even factcheck.org, which still believes in warming, admits the IPCC used flawed data, and omitted the cooling period since 1950 predicted by its model.

  • Onofre’s arm

    You should watch it Cindy. As a comedy, it generates a few laughs.

  • mortuus lark

    Well you are very welcome. I did it precisely because I know other people need the wattage.

  • mortuus lark

    Well you are very welcome. I did it precisely because I know other people need the wattage.

    P.S. Did you see the building in Chile that is toppled on its side? Oh my God. It is just unbelievable.

  • Docelder

    Trees make crappy thermometers. Hurray science… for bringing that out into the light. We are cooling over the longer term. But we would never know that using cherry picked tree ring thermometers. There is satellite infrared data dating back to the 1970′s. Satellites make much better thermometers than trees. Wonder why climate scientists never figured that out in their own? The truth is we have no real idea whether we are cooling now, the data colectors having had an underlying agenda.

  • Docelder

    Yep, now Al Gore can build on to the mansion. He can just give himself some of those “carbon” credits he makes up.

  • Ladydawnelle

    The EARTH is alive and seems to have some heart burn lately!

    I have always hated hearing about earth quakes.  Of all the natural disasters THOSE are the ones I try to avoid.  I live far away from any ring of fire or subduction zone and like it that way.  But we do get some hurricanes here.  At least I get fair warning.  Fanatics on BOTH sides have always given MAN way too MUCH credit for all things BEYOND our control!  jmo.  I wish we could just CLEAN up the roadways (as a START) and see if we as stupid humans can manage THAT first.  (not liikely as the trash on the roads only seems to GROW lately)  wtf people are like COCKroaches on this planet but STILL can’t do MUCH to affect the regular cycle of the 3d rock.  We just like to THINK we can.  All that “who has the biggest DICK mentality” with the bombs & guns and excuses to go to war!  It’s all a bunch of BS on a BIG stick!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Diana, I’m a horrible speller, and I’m in constant fear that at any moment, Conan the grammarian will kick down my door, steal all the beer from my fridge, and then proceed to break all of my bones in a drunken and priggish tagmemic rage. My fears have somewhat subsided though since I change browsers to Google Chrome, which gives me spell check, even when I’m blogging.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Donjo, we’re just as powerless to stop the climate cycles of this planet, as we are in causing them.

  • mortuus lark

    Dadda, why don’t you apply for a job at CNN.

  • Onofre’s arm

    M. Lark wrote:

    “And yes my thermostat was on 72 degrees. Why? I insulated all my windows with my own invention to keep me real cozy. I spent let me see: 2 dollars in materials.”

    Sorry Lark, you didn’t invent bullshit! But you sure produce a lot of it.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I think he may be using his excess bovine excrement as insulation. I’ll bet his shanty-town neighbors are pissed, too.

  • Ferd Berfle

    mortuus lark<img src=”http://cdn.js-kit.com/images/icon10-external-url.png”/>
    Dadda, why don’t you apply for a job at CNN.
     
    Because unlike you, M. Lark the bloviator, I work for a living.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Exelon was Barry’s first payoff, corporate special interest donor. He changed policy in Chicago for them so they didn’t have to even be accountable for their “leakage” in to their water supply.  

    Barry showed everyone early on he could be bought. Hence, HI MED (aka Obamacare)[Big Pharama, AMA, Insurance, Hospital Assoc]

    But Obama being hObama and being bought by all these Corporate donors does not make for support for Al’s lies

  • Ferd Berfle

    The problem with that theory (cooling) and tree rings is that there could be other reasons for thin rings, e.g., pollution. Science is a lot more difficult than mere sound bites from the right and left would indicate.

  • mortuus lark

    Excellent Ferd. How mad are you now?

    Get madder.

    Get madder.

    Rip something off.

    Scratch your chest.

    Slap your face.

    Hit a door with your fists.

  • mortuus lark

    Excellent Ferd.

    How mad are you now? 
     
    Get madder. 
     
    Get madder. 
     
    Rip something off. 
     
    Scratch your chest. 
     
    Slap your face. 
     
    Hit a door with your fists.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    that’s what birds do flying around a room trying to escape and we watch it here everyday, as you crash around NQ poking your nose in every post throwing out gibberish empty words!
     
    You need to learn to read and keep quiet when you know nothing on a subject?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Another dilemma the warming “scientists” have not been able to explain is the effect of water vapor, or clouds, have on warming.
     
    In fact, water vapor is totally ignored and completely absent from any of the research and theories presented by IPCC and warmists.
     
    Water vapor is 1,000 times more abundant in the atmosphere than all the greenhouse gases combined. And water vapor is greater than 10,000 times more abundant than the increase in greenhouse gas attributed to man.
     
    Water vapor is also much more efficient than greenhouse gas at trapping infrared heat.
     
    So with all that water vapor trapping so much more heat, the earth should be a roasting oven by now based on the warmist theories.
     
    Yes greenhouse gases trap heat. But you can piss in the lake and the water level will not rise. The heat trapped by greenhouse gases is too miniscule, especially compared to water vaper, to make any difference.
     
    Addition of “greenhouse gases” over the past century has done no more to increase temperature when compared to water vapor, than pissing in the lake contributes to the lake level. 
     
    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

  • ~~JustMe~~

    M Lark said
    Excellent Ferd.  How mad are you now?  
      
    Get madder.  Get madder.  
      
    Rip something off.  Scratch your chest.  
      
    Slap your face.  Hit a door with your fists.
    =============================

    that’s what birds do flying around a room trying to escape and we watch it here everyday, as you crash around NQ poking your nose in every post throwing out gibberish empty words! 
      
    You need to learn to read and keep quiet when you know nothing on a subject?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

     Testimony from Dr William Happer, Professor of Physics at Princeton to the US Senate:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/12825161/Dr-Hopper-on-CO2-Famine-to-US-SENATE-Index

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    cutting and pasting from word is not wysiwyg.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    M Lark said 

     How mad are you now?    
        
    Get madder.  Get madder.    
        
    Rip something off.  Scratch your chest.    
        
    Slap your face.  Hit a door with your fists.  
    =============================  
     
    that’s what birds do flying around a room trying to escape and we watch it here everyday, as you crash around NQ poking your nose in every post throwing out gibberish empty words!   
        
    You need to learn to read and keep quiet when you know nothing on a subject?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    M Lark said  
    Excellent Ferd.  How mad are you now?    
        
    Get madder.  Get madder.    
        
    Rip something off.  Scratch your chest.    
        
    Slap your face.  Hit a door with your fists.  
    =============================  
     
     
    that’s what birds do flying around a room trying to escape and we watch it here everyday, as you crash around NQ poking your nose in every post throwing out gibberish empty words!   
        
    You need to learn to read and keep quiet when you know nothing on a subject!!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Spot on and thanks, ~~JustMe~~. Morbid Lurk is a couple of ratchets short of a socket set.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    M Lark said  
    How mad are you now?    
        
    Get madder.  Get madder.    
        
    Rip something off.  Scratch your chest.    
        
    Slap your face.  Hit a door with your fists.  
    =============================  
     
     
    that’s what birds do flying around a room trying to escape and we watch it here everyday, as you crash around NQ poking your nose in every post throwing out gibberish empty words!   
        
    You need to learn to read and keep quiet when you know nothing on a subject!!

  • Anonymous

    No Longer Banned,

    You need to read what you are quoting closer. Factcheck is not saying “scientists” are using flawed data, it is the “Skeptics” who they quote that are claming that the data is flawed. You can believe the skeptics or you can believe the scientists. Your choice.

    Also from Factcheck.org.:

    “Leading scientists are unequivocally reaffirming the consensus on global warming in the wake of “Climategate.” White House science adviser John Holdren said at a congressional hearing on climate change: ”However this particular controversy comes out, the result will not call into question the bulk of our understanding of how the climate works or how humans are affecting it.” The American Association for the Advancement of Science released a statement “reaffirm[ing] the position of its Board of Directors and the leaders of 18 respected organizations, who concluded based on multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change caused by human activities is now underway, and it is a growing threat to society.” The American Meteorological Society and the Union of Concerned Scientists have also reiterated their positions on climate change, which they say are unaffected by the leaked e-mails.”

  • Ferd Berfle

    “Isn’t it wonderful, all the new jobs that will be created.”

    You’re right. Let’s use your backyard to dump all our burned-out fluorescent bulbs. No? Didn’t think so. Mercury is a particularly nasty element causing mad hatter’s disease.

  • surfered

    The World Meteorological Organization reports the decade ending 2009 will be the warmest on record, warmer than the 1990’s, which were warmer than the 1980’s.  Their findings are consistent with those of our own National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 
     
    The Arctic’s five lowest sea ice extents on record all occurred in the past five years.  Satellite photos reveal that both the fabled Northwest Passage and the Northeast Passage melted free in 2008 for the first time in recorded history.  They melted free again in 2009.  The shrinking island of ice around the North Pole has also gotten thinner.  According to NASA and the University of Washington, overall mean winter thickness has decreased 48% since 1980.   
     
    At the other end of our world, Antarctic temperatures have risen 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit in the past 50 years.  A study performed by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and universities from four nations found that ice loss there has increased 75% in the last 10 years and is now nearly as great as that observed in Greenland.

    Climate change deniers are not arguing with Al Gore, they’re arguing with a thermometer..

  • Ferd Berfle

    I notice that our bantam rooster, M. Lurk likes to post and delete as all drive by (hit and run) trolls are wont to do. Okey dokey. From now on I’ll include its entire banal comment, including its stupid name.

  • mortuus lark

    Do you feel better now that you got another bully to gang up on dead bird.

  • mortuus lark

    Do you feel better now that you got another bully bigger than you to gang up on dead bird. Feels swell, no?

  • Cindy

    Onofre— you are “Peter Roget Meets Stand-Up Comic”!

  • Anonymous

    Larry,

    That Daily Mail article you quote from Feb. 14th that forms the basis of your argument against Gore is complete bullshit and full of lies and deceit and misquotes. It has been discredited by the very scientists it attempts to quote and by many others. Larry, you will have to do better than that if you want to have an intelligent discussion on climate change.

    You are just contributing to more “swift boating” of the climate scientists.

    “One of the British newspapers leading the charge to undermine the credibility of climate science has had its own credibility rocked.   Two leading scientists, Murari Lal and Mojib Latif, have accused the Daily Mail of misquoting and misrepresenting them.  And the National Snow and Ice Data Center has accused the paper of printing “nonsense” and of “very lazy journalism.””

    Sounds like standard NQ operating procedure. Misquotes and lazy journalism.

    Read this if you want to know what is really going on:

    http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/15/rosegate-dailymail-error-riddled-articles-misquote-credibility-science/

    or this:

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35781_The_Daily_Mails_Latest_Lie_About_Climate_Change

    or this: “Daily Mail caught in another lie”

    “Following the heels of the Rosegate scandal where journalist David Rose was exposed as a serial quote fabricator, the credibility of Rose’s newspaper, the Daily Mail, has taken another body blow with the paper publishing a false story claiming that Phil Jones had admitted that there had been no global warming since 1995.

    This is false (see graph below) and Jones made no such admission. Michael Tobis has the details on the Daily Mail‘s dishonesty.”

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/02/daily_mail_caught_in_another_l.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogs%2Fdeltoid+%28Deltoid%29

    or how about this from The Economist: Journalistic Malpractice on Global Warming.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/02/climategate_distortions/

    “This led to a Daily Mail headline reading: “Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995.”

    Since I’ve advocated a more explicit use of the word “lie”, I’ll go ahead and follow my own advice: that Daily Mail headline is a lie. Phil Jones did not say there had been no global warming since 1995; he said the opposite. He said the world had been warming at 0.12°C per decade since 1995. However, over that time frame, he could not quite rule out at the traditional 95% confidence level that the warming since 1995 had not been a random fluke.”

    etc. etc. etc.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Funny you should mention Roget, one of my recurring nightmares is being chased and devoured by an arm-eating Thesaurus.

  • mortuus lark

    Do you feel better now that you got another bully bigger than you to gang up on dead bird. Feels swell, no? Wow that was a big load of your chest. But why don’t you try it again.

    Get madder.  
      
    Get madder.  
      
    Rip something off.  
      
    Scratch your chest.  
      
    Slap your face.  
      
    Hit a door with your fists.

    How mad are you now? 

  • Diana L. C.

    Thanks for the advice.

  • mortuus lark

    Do you feel better now that you got another bully bigger than you to gang up on dead bird. Feels swell, no? Wow that was a big load of your chest. But why don’t you try it again. 
     
    Get madder.   
       
    Get madder.   
       
    Rip something off.   
       
    Scratch your chest.   
       
    Slap your face.   
       
    Hit a door with your fists.  
     
    How mad are you now?

  • devildog666

    Obviously you didn’t read the entire post, or you don’t understand satire.

  • Cindy

    Onofre–LOL!
    I still have the Roget’s I had in college.
    Have you read The Man Who Made Lists……a bio of Roget?
    Yikes what a family…but had a fascinating group of friends.

    You wonder what those brainy people would think about civilization today.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Great lexicon…
    1) flat earthers
    2) deniers

    It is remarkable that millions of years of natural history is there for the understanding by humans, in their current evolutionary form, who have been around for 12 thousand years.
    So, if the earth was a molten hot pile primordial essence and it cooled to support life over millions of years, I guess global warming is a mute point.
    Earth is not the only planet to sustain life. We have very little scientifically to go by.

  • Noogan

    Wait. You’ve never seen it, but you’re sure it’s “hyped up!”

    Well then. You have cleared it all up, and of course, it’s all a hoax!

    Thank you so very much!

    Oh, my God, you people are so pathetic.

  • Noogan

    The data and the theory are not “flawed” in the least. Only an idiot like Inhofe, and Larry, would believe such tripe.

    Get a brain.


  • Ferd Berfle

    “Obviously you didn’t read the entire post, or you don’t understand satire.”
     
    I labored through your dreck and conclude, with your response, that you obviously can’t write passing satire.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Those data, however, are far from perfect, though, and confirmed via secondary evidence since there are potentially many factors at work. Moreover, there is a lot more to this than assertions on your part. That you are incapable of acknowledging this pesky fact is on you.

    Kindly get a brain yourself.

  • Ferd Berfle

    “The data and the theory are not “flawed” in the least. Only an idiot like Inhofe, and Larry, would believe such tripe. 
     
    Get a brain.”

    Those data, however, are far from perfect and will need confirmation via secondary evidence since there are potentially multiple factors at work, some of which might be under our potential control and others not. Moreover, there is a lot more to this than assertions on your part. That you are incapable of acknowledging this pesky fact is on you. 
     
    Further, your ad hominem abusives only serve to underscore my opinion that you rely on dogma and assertion (invincible ignorance) and not objective evidence.

  • donjo

    Ono; guess what? You’re WRONG AGAIN.

  • devildog666

    You sure does spread around a lot of hendl drek.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Surfered, you’ve given this bullshit information before about the Northwest and North East passages being ice free for the first time in recorded history in 2008. It simply isn’t true.

    Possibility of navigation the whole length of the passage was proven by mid-19th century. However, it was only in 1878 that Finland-Swedish explorer Nordenskiöld made the first successful attempt to completely navigate the North East Passage from west to east during the Vega expedition. The ship’s captain on this expedition was lieutenant Louis Palander of the Swedish Royal Navy. In 1915 a Russian expedition led by Boris Vilkitskiy made the passage from east to west.

    In the Northwest Passage:

    In 1906, Roald Amundsen first successfully completed a path from Greenland to Alaska in the sloop Gjøa.[12]

    It is believed that the Northwest passage has become sporadically ice  free for the last several centuries, although there were not satellites to take pictures of this, and exploration was infrequent and hit or miss, so the evidence of the ice free nature of both passages prior to flight and satellites does not exist. But absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. And it is almost certain that both passages were frequently ice free during the Medieval Warm Period.

    Perhaps YOU should re-examine the the type of bogus information that you blindly swallow out of your need to cling to the false God of AGW.

  • donjo
  • Onofre’s arm

    Wrong again Donjo? When was I wrong the first time?

    Go here and READ IT!:

    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/waterworld.html

    If you look at the chart and do the math, Greenland has a net loss of ice of only .077% of it’s ice since 1960. That’s not a typo, that’s less than one 10th of ONE PERCENT!

    Antarctica is even better, it has lost only .0078% of it’s ice since 1960, or less than one 100th of ONE percent!

    You really want to call that “massive” and claim that it’s difficult to ignore? 

    And as every sane scientist will acknowledge, we’re still gradually  emerging from the last Ice Age, and some overall loss of global ice is to be NATURALLY expected through the momentum of this recovery.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Good grief donjo, you really are an idiot if you think that the three links you’ve provided constitute some sort validation to your position. Two are just anecdotal and speculative in tenor, and there are no references or citations of any scientific value. The third is just some pictures. WTF? You’re pathetic. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    And donjo, at the measured rate of loss of .077 over 45 years, Greenland could be free of ice in……oh…….58,442 years. I’m losing sleep from my horror of the possibilities.

  • mortuus lark

    Onofre. Look at what you just made reference to. First sentence says:

    “If we keep using cars, the ice caps will melt and we’ll all drown!” This is a myth, just as false as fearing the Sun will die as a result of using solar power.

    The statement is frivolous and absurd in its face. Why would you continue to rely on an author that initiates his presentation with a frivolous and absurd statement?


    Take summary statement of fact Number 3:

    The suggestions that human activities will cause significant changes in global temperature and sea level in the next century are flawed predictions which haven’t been confirmed by observations.


    Don’t you think it is obvious that statement of fact Number 3 is false. Look at the last word of that statement. Is says “observations.”

    Now you said that you have a degree in geology. So rise to the occassion and tell me if you consider a fair statement that one can consider a statement that reference “THE NEXT CENTURY.”

    Even so, OBSERVATIONS have been the nature of the claims all over.

    Take the picture that DONJO sent you in his 2nd. reference. Do you observe something like ICE MELTING?

    Please Onofre, if your degree is something you are proud of, just look at what I said here and reconsider your close mind on this matter.

  • mortuus lark

    So Onofre. Don’t be mezmorized by lots of references. The man is making a case in absurdities.

  • mortuus lark

    So Onofre. Don’t be mezmorized by lots of references. The man is making a case in absurdities.

  • Onofre’s arm

    While I’m capable and tempted to supply you a reasoned response M. Lark, I’m reminded of the old proverb of casting pearls before swine. I think I’ll keep my pearls today.

  • Hokma

    donjo – you said: “Why is the right wing so entranced with short term monetary gain that nothing else matters, including the existence of our species?”

    You have it backward. This man-made climate change hoax has been a big money making venture for Al Gore and other investors in carbon credits – for scientists who cashed in on financial grants – and even for Toyota (the first hybrid with the Prius) who heavily funded the Gore effort. This hoax needs to be investigated for potential criminal actions, which will happen when the GOP takes control of Congress in 2011.

  • mortuus lark

    Yeah I know I have a degee in geology too. Have you considered a degee in animal husbandry? I think it suits you better.

  • mortuus lark

    Yeah I know I have a degee in geology too. Have you considered a degee in animal husbandry? I think it suits you better.

  • TeakWoodKite

    If tree rings were the basis for the underlying conclusions, I would think you could walk up to a 2000 yr old Redwood tree or a giant Sequoia tree and get all the global climate history one needs.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I can do it on Tuesday.

  • donjo

    Argue with the scientists at Wood’s Hole, not me. Just because you say it isn’t so doesn’t make it true.  Sorry about that. (Not really.)

  • donjo

    Aren’t you the sly one.  Posting a link to a site that’s 5 years old.  Sorry, but the science has moved far beyond what is published there.  I don’t claim to be a scientist, but I know bull shit when I see it.  And you just heaped a pile on this site.  The PREPONDERANCE of articles based on the latest evidence now and a year or 2 ago agrees that, YES, there is  serious problem with the ice in Greenland.  Whether it is natural or man-made is unknown, but it’s a good bet that whatever the cause we (mankind) have helped it along more than a little bit.

  • donjo

    Ono: aren’t you the sly one.  You posted a link to a site that’s 5 years old.  You might as well have linked to one back in the middle ages. The PREPONDERANCE of articles based on recent research agree that YES, there is a problem with ice melt in Greenland.  Whether this is natural or man-made isn’t known for sure.  But it’s a good bet if it is a “natural” situation that mankind has helped it along considerably.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well, I’m afraid I’ll have to adopt Larry Johnson’s assessment of you, you truly are a fucking moron.

  • Babs

    I am now suspect of all the science coming out supporting “climate change”, as it would appear that if we once again “follow the money”, the huge government grants to support research were steered towards its supporters. So the livelihoods of these scientists depend on which result they support.
    Also, I do not believe Gore will ever go away or shut up. He has too much of his personal fortune invested in “green” technology, and my guess is that he is receiving pressure from his cronies who went along (with their money) for the ride.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I thought you’d be more afraid of the arm eating sharks at San Onofre beach.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Cool… I still have the bong I had in college.

    I don’t use it anymore though. I find that just standing up has the same effect.

    (just kidding, I never had a bong. The standing up part is true though)

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “Jones was referring to the decline in temperatures implied by measurements of the width and density of tree rings. In recent decades, these measures indicate a dip, while more accurate instrument-measured temperatures continue to rise.”  

    Sorry but factcheck states the IPCC scientists admit tree rings do not correlate with temperature.

    IPCC wants us to belive that tree rings are a good way to measure past temps, even though they are a bad way to measure present temps.

    Go back to the drawing board.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    NOAA also deleted the IPCC data from 1950 on. NOAA had data on it’s site showing a dip in temperature from 1950 to present, but deleted it to be on board with the IPCC.

    The warmers are fudging the numbers.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/01/12/22506/

    Princeton Physics professor William Happer GS ’64 has some tough words for scientists who believe that carbon dioxide is causing global warming.

    “This is George Orwell. This is the ‘Germans are the master race. The Jews are the scum of the earth.’ It’s that kind of propaganda,” Happer, the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, said in an interview. “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Every time you exhale, you exhale air that has 4 percent carbon dioxide. To say that that’s a pollutant just boggles my mind. What used to be science has turned into a cult.”

    Happer served as director of the Office of Energy Research in the U.S. Department of Energy under President George H.W. Bush and was subsequently fired by Vice President Al Gore, reportedly for his refusal to support Gore’s views on climate change. He asked last month to be added to a list of global warming dissenters in a Senate Environment and Public Works Committee report. The list includes more than 650 experts who challenge the belief that human activity is contributing to global warming

    Though Happer has promulgated his skepticism in the past, he requested to be named a skeptic in light of the inauguration of President-elect Barack Obama, whose administration has, as Happer notes, “stated that carbon dioxide is a pollutant” and that humans are “poisoning the atmosphere.”

    Happer maintains that he doubts there is any strong anthropogenic influence on global temperature.

    “All the evidence I see is that the current warming of the climate is just like past warmings. In fact, it’s not as much as past warmings yet, and it probably has little to do with carbon dioxide, just like past warmings had little to do with carbon dioxide,” Happer explained.

    http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/02/25/climate-change-statement-of-dr-william-happer-before-the-senate-environment-and-public-works-committee/ 

  • Onofre’s arm

    Great graph Doc. The problem with this debate is that we can go back and forth with the links, the info, this scientist, that scientist, and on and on, and there will still be a percentage of morons who are so deeply invested with their notions, there’s no reaching them. Attempting to reason with the “invincible ignorant” as Ferd calls them, is a waste of time (see donjo above). It’s exactly like the kind of argument that occurs with a 9/11 truther, and no amount of solid evidence will make a dent, because the shield of their ignorance has been thickened too much with agenda oriented pre-conceived notions.

  • Zombiehero

    It’s ironic that I used to recycle all the time, still do in fact. But the push by the Greens makes me want to stop. Being told that I shouldn’t drive, because of the evil CO2, made me go take nice long scenic drives in the mountains and really appreciate the beauty out there.

    It’s really funny that I’m the AGW skeptic at work, yet one of the only ones that recycles my white paper waste (The only recycle bins they have). All the rest of the AGW alarmists waste paper like no ones business, kinda like Gore and his huge mansion and airplane trips everywhere.

    You lead by action not words, the actions of the people like Gore tells us that they aren’t really all concerned about GW, dispite their rhetoric, so why should I be worred?

  • Zombiehero

    TL is that you?

  • Zombiehero

    THey passed Cap and Trade in the EU and it actually increased the amount of carbon emitted. Fancy that!

  • Zombiehero

    It’s not just English department that are like that. My field is Chemistry, while it is a little bit better because of the math involved, over at the Biology dept, it’s pretty bad as well.

  • mortuus lark

    Donjo, all you need to discuss with Onofre is a degree in geology. Here I’ll send you one:

    This Degree in Geology is awarded to:
    Donjo
    May 30, 1990
    University of the White Boards
    Certified today: March 2, 2010

    Now you have what Onofre has and you can discuss with him on an equal footing.

  • mortuus lark

    Donjo, all you need to discuss with Onofre is a degree in geology. Here I’ll send you one: 
     
    This Degree in Geology is awarded to: 
    Donjo 
    May 30, 1990 
    University of the White Boards 
    Certified today: March 2, 2010 

     
    Now you have what Onofre has and you can discuss with him on an equal footing.

  • mortuus lark

    Donjo, all you need to discuss with Onofre is a degree in geology. Here I’ll send you one:  
      
    This Degree in Geology is awarded to:  
    Donjo  
    May 30, 1990  
    University of the White Boards  
    Certified today: March 2, 2010 
    by Mortuus Lark
      
    Now you have what Onofre has and you can discuss with him on an equal footing.

  • mortuus lark

    Donjo, all you need to discuss with Onofre is a degree in geology. Here I’ll send you one:   
       
    This Degree in Geology is awarded to:   
    Donjo   
    May 30, 1990   
    University of the White Boards   
    Certified today: March 2, 2010 
    by Mortuus Lark 
       
    Now you have what Onofre has and you can discuss with him on an equal footing.

    Don’t worry. Onofre’s degree is no better than this one.

  • donjo

    Typical. Get caught in presenting outdated info and can’t present any reasonable counter-arguments so it’s easier to start childish name calling.  Is that the best you can do. Maybe you should update your computer so it receives info based on the latest studies, instead of 2005 mis-information

  • Anonymous

    The only thing I learned from the Gore family about being green is that a Toyota Prius can go 100mph as demonstrated by his son Al Jr. when he got pulled over by the police…

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0428148420070705

  • Boxer Mum 06

    Guess where the trading of the carbon credits will take place for North America and Brazil…. C H I C A G O !!!

    How much will the Obamas stand to gain when Cap & Trade is passed? hhmm….

    Google Chicago Climate Exchange for more interesting info

  • Boxer Mum 06

    Here’s some info from wiki…

    CCX is 10% owned by Goldman Sachs (GS) and 10% owned by Generation Investment Management (GIM), an investment firm founded & chaired by Al Gore. This firm was co-founded by the former Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush and former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson. [1]

  • Docelder

    This is why Obama was “The One”. The CCX got it’s initial funding from the Joyce Foundation while Obama was there. The ugly truth is there for all to see, but you need to want to see the truth. Most people don’t.

  • Docelder

    The CCX got it’s initial funding from the Joyce Foundation while Obama was there. The truth is there for all to see, but you need to want to see the truth. Most people don’t.

    But there is more to this. This is about carbon being the new gold standard. This is about carbon being a new world currency. This is about taking the mineral wealth of oil producing countries by shifting the wealth of oil into the right to actually use that oil and taking it away from owning the oil fields.

  • Anonymous

    Larry Johnson,

    Check-out this article.

    March 2, 2010, 9:50 am <!– date updated –><!– <abbr class=”updated” title=”2010-03-02T09:50:19+00:00″>— Updated: 9:50 am</abbr> –><!– Title –>
    Freakout-nomics<!– The Content –>

    If you think conservatives are freaking out over the growing prospects that health care reform will, in fact, happen, wait until you see the freakout over climate change.

    You see, a snowy winter in the northeast United States was supposed to have proved the climate skeptics right, after all. But a funny thing happened while they were celebrating: globally, this is shaping up as the warmest winter on record: (see chart thru link below).

    Now, short-term weather fluctuations don’t prove much — but that’s the point the climate scientists have been trying to make; it’s the skeptics who point to an unusually warm year in the recent past and declare “See, the planet is cooling, not warming”.

    So what are they gong to do? Not change their minds, of course — what I’ve learned from a decade of punditing is that nobody ever admits they were wrong about anything. No. they’re going to switch arguments completely — before, a cold day meant global warming was a hoax, now a warm year means nothing — hey, weather fluctuates! It’s already happening.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/freakout-nomics/

    Or this one.

     Accuweather’s Joe Bastardi admits, “Earth continues warmest winter since satellite measurements started” and “Feb should be warmest on record!!!”Then he invents a new, self-contradictory theory of warming

    http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/01/accuweather%e2%80%99s-joe-bastardi-admits-earth-continues-warmest-winter-since-satellite-measurements-started-and-feb-should-be-warmest-on-record/

  • Anonymous

    Larry Johnson,  
     
    Check-out this article.  
     
     
    March 2, 2010, 9:50 am

    Freakout-nomics 
     
    If you think conservatives are freaking out over the growing prospects that health care reform will, in fact, happen, wait until you see the freakout over climate change.  
     
    You see, a snowy winter in the northeast United States was supposed to have proved the climate skeptics right, after all. But a funny thing happened while they were celebrating: globally, this is shaping up as the warmest winter on record: (see chart thru link below).  
     
    Now, short-term weather fluctuations don’t prove much — but that’s the point the climate scientists have been trying to make; it’s the skeptics who point to an unusually warm year in the recent past and declare “See, the planet is cooling, not warming”.  
     
    So what are they gong to do? Not change their minds, of course — what I’ve learned from a decade of punditing is that nobody ever admits they were wrong about anything. No. they’re going to switch arguments completely — before, a cold day meant global warming was a hoax, now a warm year means nothing — hey, weather fluctuates! It’s already happening.  
     
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/freakout-nomics/  
     
     
    Or this one.  

     Accuweather’s Joe Bastardi admits, “Earth continues warmest winter since satellite measurements started” and “Feb should be warmest on record!!!”Then he invents a new, self-contradictory theory of warming  
     
    http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/01/accuweather%e2%80%99s-joe-bastardi-admits-earth-continues-warmest-winter-since-satellite-measurements-started-and-feb-should-be-warmest-on-record/

  • mortuus lark

    All the scientists, please reconvene.

  • Diana L. C.

    This comment above, as you all probably can guess, was first made in response to our self-designated “king’s fool” at NQ, m. lark.  She/he/it has “left the building” and taken her comment with her.

  • Diana L. C.

    And now the earth’s axis changed slightly because of the earthquake in Chile.  That event, I am sure, can also be tied completely to man’s influence on our planet.

    ;)

  • mortuus lark

    And immediately you believe whomever said it that the earth axis changed slightly because of the earthquake.

    You see that is the problem. The believers society.

    And I believe that until Haiti does not realeses Silsby and Charisa, God will continue to touch the earth with his finger, causing catastrophic events.

    And of course that’s why Obama and Al Gore are such nasty people because very good sources say so.

  • Docelder

    It is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated against mankind. Not only that, the carbon trading scheme will elevate carbon to a new gold standard instituting carbon as a new kind of world currency. It will redistribute the wealth of industrialized nations and mineral interest owners… not to the poor but to global corporations like Goldman Sachs. The value in mineral interests will shift away from owning the oil fields and to companies that sell the right to use the oil. Face it globalists don’t give a rat’s ass about poor nations, they never have and they never will. They don’t care about pollution. We will never get away from fossil fuels once the Goldman Sachs types have monetized the use of it. Think about it with Halliburton and war. Think Halliburton wants to end war? Goldman Sachs won’t want solar power either, once they have a piece of the oil money. Globalists want all of everybody’s wealth for themselves. In short, this is a scam.

  • mortuus lark

    Exactly: Take a look at this.

    Fuel Taxes Must Rise, Harvard Researchers Say <!– Byline –>
    <!– The Content –>

    To meet the Obama administration’s targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions, some researchers say, Americans may have to experience a sobering reality: gas at $7 a gallon.
    To reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the transportation sector 14 percent from 2005 levels by 2020, the cost of driving must simply increase,

  • Docelder

    Bots only want gas to be $7 a gallon because they think Obama is going to buy it for them. He isn’t. This would drive crazy inflation which would destroy spendable income and dilute most everybody’s life savings.

  • sowsear

    When I was young, we actually played with mercury in a school class. Can’t remember if it was elementary school or chemistry class, but obviously the dangers of mercury were unknown at least to that teacher at the time.

  • samb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJe_K17EcpE&feature=fvw
    FOX NEWS-
    Al Gore – too much snow, poor Al. :-P

  • sowsear

    How about Barry’s prize?

  • sowsear

    ¬ø¬. ∂官 ¥ø¨ ƒø¨˜∂ µ´ ø¨†≥≥≥≥

    Where can I gets me some keys liken them thar ones?

  • sowsear

    And how about politicians?

  • sowsear

    Like that one, too. Now are the days longer or shorter, I forget?

  • ces

    First don the tin foil toque, then apply pressure to the option (key)…
    One needn’t wait for secret decoder ring, just try and try again….

  • Bria

    ‘I tire of the politicization of science by the right’
    Stop covering up for the Left, you freaking dink. WTF is all that idiotic psycho-babble? Grow a backbone, we don’t make excuses, moron.
    ‘Global warming may indeed be very real’
    Global warming is a myth, you f… retard.

  • AbigailAdams

    Well, that’s the greenest part of the green movement doncha know.

  • Retired

    When the political history of this era is written, I hope that it will be characterized as an awakening of the American voter–indeed, of the American people–and our transformation from complacency in the face of a patrornizing political class of elite cadres who attempted to seduce us from our freedom with false fears and bribes to an informed citizenry that holds our elected representatives accountable for delivering what we want, and not what they believe we need.

    Sorry, Al, but you and your global wealth transfer operation has been exposed.  Once the jig was up, even client Hugo Chavez admitted publically in Copenhagen that man made climate change was nothing more than a scheme to transfer massive wealth from the Unted States and Western Europe to thrid world countries, with middlemen such as yourself taking a substantial cut in return for your success.  China, the largest poluting sovereign nation on the planets, put the first nail in the coffin when they didn’t get a big enough slice of the pie that you were serving up.

    Go back to your carbon-spewing home and consider yourself lucky that your fellow citizens are content that you just fade away and do not demand that you be brought to account for your profiteering.

    “Beware of prophets seeking profits.” (Krautnammer)  

  • mortuus lark

    When the political history of this era is written, I hope that it will be characterized as an awakening of the American voter–indeed, of the American people–and our transformation from complacency in the face of a patrornizing political class of elite cadres who attempted to seduce us from our freedom with false fears and bribes to an informed citizenry that holds our elected representatives accountable for delivering what we want, and not what they believe we need. 

    That was a big sentence.

    I think that when the political history of this era is written, people will find that a lot of people made many decisions about supporting or not supporting issues bases on a lingering racist stock that continued to run under their skin.

  • mortuus lark

    Inconvenient facts Drown … Truth.

    When the political history of this era is written, I hope that it will be characterized as an awakening of the American voter–indeed, of the American people–and our transformation from complacency in the face of a patrornizing political class of elite cadres who attempted to seduce us from our freedom with false fears and bribes to an informed citizenry that holds our elected representatives accountable for delivering what we want, and not what they believe we need.   
     
    That was a big sentence.  
     
    I think that when the political history of this era is written, people will find that a lot of people made many decisions about supporting or not supporting issues bases on a lingering racist stock that continued to run under their skin.

  • ACPD

    There is a very good book on the politics behind this conflict.  I recommend “The Republican War on Science” to those who actually want to know something about the scientific process and how people who really don’t understand anything about what is meant by this term of art have attempted to confuse and misdirect this discussion. 

    As with much that is misunderstood, the realities of the scientific world can be and are being distorted by those who really don’t understand how science works, I think, largely because they don’t want to.  It has seemed to me for some time that this debate really comes down to those who want to be allowed to carry on as they have and who don’t want to take any responsibility for the need to sacrifice or to curb their personal desires/actions and those who take a more mature and global view. 

    In the end it comes down to those who want to believe that the universe is a huge honey pot from which they can eat indefinitely and without restraint.  They don’t care about the consequences of their actions.  On the other side are those of us who realize that restraint and conservation make sense, because the universe demands balance and does not allow for excess without generating corresponding consequences.

    The proof of global climate change and its connection to human activity is not so much the specifics, but rather the overall trend toward extremes in climate.  We are losing the middle, temperate aspects of climate, because the delicate balance has been thrown off….

    One of the best and perhaps easiest examples of how human activity impacts our climate occurred on 9-11.  Because all aircraft were grounded over the continental US, the atmosphere over the entire country was free of jet fuel fumes.  The lack of that interference actually changed the temperatures throughout the country.  Look it up…and think about it….

    My advise is take some science courses and learn something about physics and chemistry before you start criticizing people who actually understand what is going on here….

  • creeper

    I see we have another deleted comment from the dead bird.  C’mon, Larry…ban this sucker.

  • kenoshamarge

    I beg to differ ZH, I think they do think that actions to combat GW are important. For all us little people that don’t have important lives and can’t afford to fly around the world to tell people to stop driving their cars. *DONT_KNOW*

    We, the peasantry are to conserve energy while they, the elite  GWers have homes with 20 foot ceilings which are the antithesis of energy efficiency.

    I still bleieve deeply in conserving and in living as green alife as possible. I just don’t need someone who doesn’t preaching at me.

  • creeper

    But…but…but…isn’t “change” good?

    Funny that the greatest advocates for change are the ones decrying the changing climate. 

    You want an example of change?  How about this one:  Iowa’s rolling hills are underlaid by vast amounts of limestone.  Know where that limestone came from?  Coral.  Yup.  The farm the provided your dinner used to be the ocean floor.  Now it’s a thousand miles from the nearest sea.

    There is one fact that everyone needs to keep in mind when discussing our changing Earth–Nothing ever stays the same.

  • Docelder

    I am fairly certain that I have had more college level courses in physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, environmental chemistry and biochemistry, biology, physiology, and so on than Al Gore does.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Donjo, you’re an imbecile. In disciplines like geology, climate change, landscape evolution, etc., studies that are 5 years old are NOT considered outdated. The processes that we’re considering in these discussion are often measured in centuries, millennium, epochs, and eons. The fact that you’ve discarded as “outdated” a study that spans 45 years of changes in worldwide ice inventory that is ONLY five years old, demonstrates that you are way out of your league in the realm of science. But you’re just a member a large group of people who have absolutely zero scientific training, yet they still cling to the boneheaded notions of AGW warmaggedon based only on the increasingly debunked findings and urban myths that represent the warmist version of reality, as though you and your army of ignorant buddies somehow intimately understand the complexities and countless influences involved with climate.

    The articles that YOU present as proof are laughable interpretations by writers who gathered together anecdotal evidence without any citations to objective scientific findings, they’re worthless. The claim that the Woods Hole scientists had never seen such big chunks breaking off the Greenland ice sheet, while being interesting, is NOT a scientific finding, it’s an observation. The fact that they’ve never seen it before is more than likely because they never looked before. The events they describe could have been going on sporadically for thousands of years, but only very recently have people been to such remote parts of the world to witness them. Active volcanoes under the oceans are spewing billions of tons of magma as I write, but there are only a very few examples of actual film footage of such events. Just because we don’t have massive volumes of evidence of such events, in no way means they’re not happening with relative frequency. The fact that we are now “witnessing” the events in Greenland, doesn’t mean that they haven’t been happening, to some degree, for centuries. In fact, there is evidence that a recent increase of under water volcanic activity in the Arctic, is the cause for the isolated melting referred to in your article. Is mankind responsible for volcanic activity donjo? 

    At the risk of using the “C” word, the current “consensus” is that global temperatures have been either stabilized, or they’ve been dropping slightly, for the past 15 years, so don’t bother me with the stupid claim that the melting has significantly increased in the last FIVE YEARS due to AGW, because even if you believe in AGW, it hasn’t been happening. So, if you want to cling to the ridiculous notion that there has been a significant increase in ice melts in Antarctica and Greenland, you can eliminate AGW, and look elsewhere for the cause.

  • Noogan

    The data is clear and irrefutable. Humans are contributing to global warming, and global warming is contributing to climate change overall. 

    Only a MORON like Larry Johnson–who knows NOTHING ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING–would think he has the right to dispute the overwhelming scientific consensus on this. 

    Larry is nothing but a pompous blowhard. 

  • Noogan

    They didn’t “fudge the numbers” at all. If you actually read the reports, you’d know that these emails have been taken completely out of context and this issue blown out of all logical proportion. 

    Al Gore is right; Larry Johnson is a fathead. 

  • Noogan

    Shut the fuck up you fucking fuck. 

    There, I feel so much better, Bria. I’m sure you think you’ve made an argument here, but really, all you’ve done is expose yourself as a fucking idiot with a mouth full of sewage. 

    And, by the way, scientific evidence is overwhelming; global warming is real; humans are contributing to it; and Larry Johnson is a pompous blowhard. 

  • Somethin’ or Other
  • CrisisMaven

    As I see you are dealing with statistical research: I have put one of the most comprehensive link lists for hundreds of thousands of statistical sources and indicators on my blog: <a href=”http://crisismaven.wordpress.com/references/”>Statistics Reference List</a>. And what I find most fascinating is how data can be visualised nowadays with the graphical computing power of modern PCs, as in many of the dozens of examples in these <a href=”http://crisismaven.wordpress.com/references/references-subjects-covered/data-structuring/data-visualisation-references/”>Data Visualisation References</a>. If you miss anything that I might be able to find for you or if you yourself want to share a resource, please leave a comment.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Ditto that. I had bio, chem, and physics in college. How about you Gore?

    Gore was busy inventing the internet.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    What I know from college physics and geology is that if the greenhouse gases were going to warm the earth as much as the alarmists say, the earth would have become an oven long ago from water vapor.

    Water vaper is more efficient at trapping heat than the “greenhouse gases”, and water vapor makes up greater than 10,000 times more of the atmosphere than the greenhouse gases added by man.

  • Anonymous


  • Not Likely

    What an incredibly stupid post.

  • MrX

    My favourite part about the AGW hoax was the software that let you enter any data, even random data, and the hockey stick figure would come out every time.

    Tell me again this isn’t a hoax!

  • whoframedrudy

    “Oh, my God, you people are so pathetic”
    Cindy was referring to the hype surrounding the movie. That would be obvious to anyone who’s brain wasn’t swollen with hysteria.
    And yes, as Obama has proven, there is a strong correlation between hype and bullshit.

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  • Noogan

    Yet, Ferd Berfle, you have no problem whatsoever with Larry calling people a “brain dead retard” just for disagreeing with him!

    That makes you a hypocrite, and your hypocrisy certainly makes me consider your opinion with complete contempt.

  • Scottar

    Well

    Larry, the shoe fits both feet:

    Although David Rose exaggerated Jones response Tim Lambert  is also a spinster. He has a clear bias against deniers. Take his referenced temp graph from GISS:

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/02/daily_mail_caught_in_another_l.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogs%2Fdeltoid+%28Deltoid%29

    We have very peculiar temperature adjustments by National and Global Data Centers:

    http://www.intellicast.com/Community/Content.aspx?ref=rss&a=212

    Then their’s the history of climate hysteria:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Seminole-County-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2010m3d2-Arctic-Ocean-is-warming-icebergs-growing-s

    This climate change hysteria has been around a lot longer then Gore or Hansen.