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Some Reporters Are Keeping Their Hands Clean While Other “Journalists” Fill Their Sites with Poor Writing and Manure

Via Mark Halperin’s blog, The Page:

WSJ reports the Land of Lincolner’s “voice is a bit raspy, his eyes are a bit red, and he walks with a hankie or tissue on hand, quickly burying it in a pocket before shaking hands.”

Adds a Washington Times reporter said she felt compelled to use Purell after shaking his hand Tuesday. [Ewwwww.]

mccain-solzhenitsyn-ec.jpgAlso filthy and disgusting is the swift-boating of John McCain by the likes of Andrew Sullivan (“Swift-boat? Moi?“) — tracked by the essential site, Memeorandum.com — and now Talking Points Memo (and this is deeply disappointing to me as a former faithful reader). Here is the large headline at the top of TPM:

Solzhenitsyn Scholar: Cross-In-Dirt Gulag Story Never Happened

They are trying to prove that John McCain’s deeply moving story about the guard drawing a cross in the sand is stolen from a book.

What is despicable about Sullivan and TPM’s underhanded efforts is that the ENTIRE reason is that they know — in their guts — that Barack Obama was an abysmmal failure at Saddleback on Saturday night. They concocted this story to divert attention from Obama’s weak, tepid answers and from McCain’s overwhelming command of the evening. (Now that the “he cheated” diversion has fallen apart, they’ve moved on to another concocted scheme. What will they think of next?)

Thankfully, John McCain’s blogger Michael Goldfarb has talked to a fellow inmate at the hellish prison camp in North Vietnam, and Col. Bud Day — whose ordeal was so “gory” that Mr. Goldfarb is unwilling to describe it in full — confirmed the veracity of Sen. McCain’s account:

Another POW, Same Story

After a brief conversation with Col. Bud Day, I can confirm that Col. Day is most likely the toughest man alive in addition to being the most decorated Air Force veteran in history. Some of the details Day shared with the McCain Report are too gory to reproduce here, but he did confirm that “not long after we all got back together [in the camp],” McCain told him the story of the prison guard who drew a cross in the dirt one Christmas.

I don’t know about you, but I’ll take the word of a fellow inmate at the hellish prison camp over the petty theorizing of Sullivan et al.

Goldfarb links to the Wikipedia entry on Col. Bud Day, and to the description of the Medal of Honor that he was awarded. Here is that entry in full:

Rank and organization: Colonel (then Major), U.S. Air Force, Forward Air Controller Pilot of an F-100 aircraft. Place and date: North Vietnam, 26 August 1967. Entered service at: Sioux City, Iowa. Born: 24 February 1925, Sioux City, Iowa. Citation: On 26 August 1967, Colonel Day was forced to eject from his aircraft over North Vietnam when it was hit by ground fire. His right arm was broken in 3 places, and his left knee was badly sprained. He was immediately captured by hostile forces and taken to a prison camp where he was interrogated and severely tortured. After causing the guards to relax their vigilance, Colonel Day escaped into the jungle and began the trek toward South Vietnam. Despite injuries inflicted by fragments of a bomb or rocket, he continued southward surviving only on a few berries and uncooked frogs. He successfully evaded enemy patrols and reached the Ben Hai River, where he encountered U.S. artillery barrages. With the aid of a bamboo log float, Colonel Day swam across the river and entered the demilitarized zone. Due to delirium, he lost his sense of direction and wandered aimlessly for several days. After several unsuccessful attempts to signal U.S. aircraft, he was ambushed and recaptured by the Viet Cong, sustaining gunshot wounds to his left hand and thigh. He was returned to the prison from which he had escaped and later was moved to Hanoi after giving his captors false information to questions put before him. Physically, Colonel Day was totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. Despite his many injuries, he continued to offer maximum resistance. His personal bravery in the face of deadly enemy pressure was significant in saving the lives of fellow aviators who were still flying against the enemy. Colonel Day’s conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.[2]

Again — for the umpteenth time — this blog does not endorse, and has no plans to endorse, Sen. John McCain. But we abhor the tactics of Sullivan and TPM.

It will come to no surprise to any of you that the origins of this ugly attack came from a Daily Kos diary. Writes TPM:

There’s been a ton of buzz on the web for the last day or so — beginning with this Daily Kos diary — suggesting that John McCain patterned his story about a Vietamese captor drawing a cross in the dirt before him on a similar episode from Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s time in the Soviet gulags.

But it turns out that this episode probably never happened to Solzhenitsyn at all, and according to a Solzhenitsyn biographer it appears nowhere in his published writing. Columbia University professor Michael Scammell, the author of Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, says the episode “never happened,” and didn’t appear in Solzhenitsyn’s book, Gulag Archipelago, either.

This only solves a piece of the mystery, but it’s a key piece. It doesn’t necessarily rule out the possibility that McCain or his biographer, Mark Salter, picked up the tale that this happened to Solzhenitsyn elsewhere and embellished it for their own purposes.

May I also add that I am surprised to read a poorly written phrase, “a ton of buzz,” at a blog that I once considered essential daily reading.

Excuse me? A “ton of buzz”? No real journalist would be caught dead writing a phrase like that.

What has become of TPM?

Is Josh Marshall no longer editing his writers’ work? Have his standards fallen that far?

Indeed, had I been Marshall, I would have replaced “a ton of buzz” with “a ton of manure.”

And then I would have killed the story.

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ NotYoursweetie
  • http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

    Great post, Susan! The Obots efforts to swiftboat McCain will fail. It only reinforces the narrative that Obama is a flimsy creation of Axlerod. They attack McCain because he won the debate and because Obama doesn’t stand for anything besides his own huge ego.

    • workingclass artist

      I agree Great Post Susan. French Indochina had a history of Catholicism throughout the country before the war. This story was totally plausible to me because this could happen as Christians go underground during times of oppression….Indeed it consistent with the very foundation of Christianity.
      Code and visual symbols as a way to signal simpatico is as well and these are all over the walls of catacombs throughout Rome. Christians have ways to survive oppression and persecution. Christians in China are doing it now.
      Sullivan has once again exposed himself as the petty, histrionic Fool with delusions of relevance. It as a stupid and foolish attack on an Honorable Soldier……SHEEESH!

      • Senator O’Donut Hole

        Indeed it consistent with the very foundation of Christianity.
        Code and visual symbols as a way to signal simpatico is as well and these are all over the walls of catacombs throughout Rome. Christians have ways to survive oppression and persecution. Christians in China are doing it now.

        Yes, the genesis of the fish symbol was the need to conceal one’s faith in Christ.

        • workingclass artist

          As an Art Student studying Art History I bought a book about Christian symbols used as code during the earliest days of formation through the Middle ages. Most Christians were illiterate and during the days of Persecution throughout the Roman Empire symbols were used to identify houses and meeting places for christian worship that eventually developed into the earliest forms of the Mass. Symbols were also used to mark Holy sites for Pilgrims and denote he lives of the earliest saints and apostles so that the christians could commnunicate the gospels. Long before the earliest written gospels were copied for distribution into what we now know as the bible….Christians were speaking to each other in the oldest universal abstract language. The language of pictures and symbols that could transcend the diverse spoken languages of the Empire. The Fish and the Cross as well as the greek Chi-Rho which may even predate either of the better known symbols.

        • red_sleeves

          Lygia drew a fish in the sand before Vinicius to communicate her faith.

      • Ellen D

        In fact, the origins of the war in Viet Nam reflected the U.S government’s efforts in trying to prop up a Catholic minority government in a Buddhist country. The story makes complete sense in that context.

        • workingclass artist

          agree with you ellen. European Imperialism and The Catholic Church kinda go hand in hand historically speaking and this story made sense to me.

  • hmmmmmmmmm

    It is just sad how these far, left bloggers have taken over the democratic party. It is going to tkae alot of work to get back to the DNC of the Humphrey days.

  • http://www.anvp.wordpress.com soldier4hillary

    I will be marching to Denver if I have to . Senator Obama is speaking live here in NC at the Raleigh fairgrounds. This mutha$$@!@# just said since campaigning in these 48 states…48? Fucking 48? You have got to be damn kidding me! we have goddamn 50 STATES!! I am watching this shit right now and I swear to God I hope the Republican part DESTROY the Democratic Party so we can rebuild it.

    • fif

      48, 57, he just makes up a number as he goes along. This is the best we could come up with? Oh, no, that’s right, we had so much better, but THEY knew better.

      • HARP

        48…57…crap, now I`m confused.

        • meileen

          Thanks for that guffaw.

        • workingclass artist

          Hmmmm…..Malfunction in Barry clone #12 model BS….chuckle….

    • IndayHill

      Where are the nine states? Earlier in the primary, he said 57 states. OHB is giving away the states to his buddies in the Middle East? Remember, he recently had an hour closed door conversation with the king of Jordan, just the two of them.
      I do not trust Barack Obama.
      MSM is controlling America’s democratic government. It is very obvious, there is double standard in the media. America is last.
      For the country I love, America deserves the best !
      Hillary or McCain ’08

      GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

    • Karma

      What tool can’t remember 50!?

      He is all over McCain about gaffes and Obama can’t even pull kindergarten info out when needed.

      Even Bush can manage how many states there are.

      • workingclass artist

        Hmmm…..Hasn’t Hawaii petitioned the UN to restore it’s status as an independent country….maybe that’s why he can’t get the number wriiiight….
        It’s so confusing these breakaway states…..hmmm…..

    • Obama is a bum

      Obama just set two states free — I hope one of them is mine.

    • Linda

      where are you hearing that? Is it on utube

  • kgirl1028

    Heck I just wish they would have taken the time they are using to research McCain had been done on obama. maybe they wouldn’t be sitting around with so much egg on their face and ours. Corsi threw obama’s birth certificategate out their and none of them are even remotely trying to look into that.

  • Patti

    That explains the freakybot, that said he stayed a pow because they pampered him. And that POW’s dont get tortured.

    They are reaching for something. Too bad their collective brains dont constitute 1 whole brain.

  • katmandu

    I used to like TPM, but they lost objectivity once Obama came along. These guys were pretending to be online journalists. Nope. They’ve sullied their reputations forever.

  • Dr. Kate

    Wonderful post, Susan. It is truly getting very scary out there….when will he implode for all to see? I think its going to be in a debate with McCain–he will lose it.

  • tzada

    A “ton of buzz” sounds like something Barry Soetoros would say. Sorta like his “silly season”

  • DoroB.

    So some Obamabot decided that McCain stole the cross in the dirt story without bothering to check his sources?
    And then these so-called journalists and pundits used it to call McCain a plagiarist?
    Wow.

    • stodghie

      look these dem swift boat attacks have been planned for months. the dims are trying to do repub lite and failing.

  • AF catfish

    Is Obama getting a cold? Can he step down and nominate Hillary, citing health reasons? Please please please please please please?

  • Northwest rain

    Even though several sources say that the cross in the dirt did NOT happen to Solzhenitsyn. The jerks including Jose — disregard facts and keep with the Obama line ….. but but but McCain cheated — he got captured and was in a prison camp — well damned you know, Soetoro was in Indonesia as a kid — that’s sort of close to being in a prison camp. And then his mom sent him to live with his grand parents — rejected Barry. The other story — Barry wanted to get the hell out of dodge and live in comfort and go to the best school where he wouldn’t have to learn to speak another language CORRECTLY.

    Barry Soetoro is lazy — always looking for the easy way out. He is a manipulator — a narcissistic, passive aggressive manipulator.

    This little bit from the article sticks out — Josh and friends will believe what they believe. Josh is NO journalist — he is a WHORE.

    It doesn’t necessarily rule out the possibility that McCain or his biographer, Mark Salter, picked up the tale that this happened to Solzhenitsyn elsewhere and embellished it for their own purposes.

    • Northwest rain

      Personal observation about prison camps — or even Simulated Prison camps.

      My dad was Navy air and he spent a large chunk of his career flying over “enemy territory” — Cold War — but HOT flying for the crews who flew over Russia, China and North Korea. One in another squadron went down and all the crews had to take prison camp training.

      My guess is that the prison camp training was brutal and realistic — it took a long time for my father and the other men to over come the trauma of their training — sort of like psychology injury by friently fire.

      I’m an eye witness to the effects of prison camp TRAINING — not even the real thing. However — what McCain had to endure for 5 years — he should be recognized for his courage and patriotism, love of country — and then move on.

      Also another thing these damn jerks who are degrading and disrespecting McCain’s service to his county. He was just a pilot — whatever. The stupid jerks making these remarks — Those ass holes should be required to live on an air craft carrier and WORK on the FLIGHT DECK. That is a damned dangerous place — working up there is no picnic. My dad is Navy air and he also spent a tour on an air craft carrier.

      Honorable Service to the military should be respected, noted and then move on.

      Obama does NOT have any military service and he hasn’t bothered to learn about the military. His surrogates bleating like a bunch of stupid sheep is really getting to be disgusting.

      Damned it is really bad when I feel the need to defend the military. I’m not the greatest fan of the military — because I also know the faults and weaknesses of military life and some of the rare jerks drawn to military service. For many the military is a job — and one that they take pride in doing.

      • Katmoon

        Also think how this translates to military families; if you make slight of a POW’s reputation, what is to prevent them from saying the same thing about our soldiers now, should they ever consider political office? It doesn’t sit well at all.

        • Northwest rain

          Exactly — I’m just one person — reacting to the Obamabot stupidity. And I’m NOT pro-military — it is not an easy life for military kids. Connections to the military run deep in this country — many kids out of high school are joining the military — that’s the only post high school training they can afford.

          These kids have family, relatives and friends — these are the votes that dumbo Barry Soetore/Obama are losing. Another generation of military who will be solid GOP — thanks Soetoro.

          Soetoro/Obama will lose in huge landslide — biggest ever in November — HE will be on the record books.

          Hey dumb ass Soetoro — any more groups you have left to piss off?

          PUMA

      • apishapa

        In this year’s campaigning, Obama has been allowed to claim “black” as his identity, and no one else is allowed to speak of black issues with any authority, because it is his issue, He has used his bi-racial identity to his advantage, and beaten any opponents over the head with it every chance he gets. It is part of his identity, to be sure and he is allowed to constantly talk about how he suffered growing up black and neglected.

        John McCain spent a lot of his life in the military. He was a prisoner of war for years. Those years and those experiences shaped who he is now and are as much a part of his identity as Obama’s blackness. The ordeals he suffered make the worst of what most of us have endured seem trivial.

        But, John McCain is never supposed to talk about his life experiences because it is seen as not fair to Barry, who has never been subjected to any true hardship in his life. John McCain is as entitled to talk about his life and how his experiences shaped his identity as Barack or any one else is. He should not be told to shut up about it. We need to know how it affected him if he wants to be President. He seems to have come through this horrible ordeal a strong and honorable man.

        It would be nice to know a lot more about Barack Obama’s life and how his experiences shaped his identity, other than being bi-racial. We don’t know anything abut him. He never says a damned thing about his past. Obama is spending most of his time hiding who he is. McCain is putting it all out there for everyone to see.

      • http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

        I went to POW training and it was difficult, dangerous, dirty, and degrading. We were stripped naked with minutes of capture, formed into a circle, then forced stick our noses up the ass in front of us. (Oh, yes, try 30 hours of sleep deprivation, cattle prods and people speaking in foreign languages and all starts becoming quite real so don’t tell me you too tuff to do it) Our training session was so notorious that one of the pictures taken by an instructor ended up on the front page of Pravda under the headline “Army Officers Brutalized” or something like that. (We were not Army; we were Air Force enlisted). Anyway, I agree a thousand percent. People who dishonor the Hell that was Vietnam simply don’t deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us.

        P.S. Susan, I thought buzz came in pints? Or was it pecks?

  • blog force one

    These people are not Democrats who have taken over the party ! They, henceforth should be referred to by the name “OBOMMUNISTS!”Thats what the Daily Kos and the Dean/pelosi/Brazile/Ayers crowd are!! Detestable,despicable anti American filth!

    • no vote for Oblabla

      I agree with you 120% blog force one

      I am a Cuban-American and I’ve seen all of this before in my birth country. Believe me folks when I tell you these people are not Democrats, liberals, progressives…nope, they are flat-ass out communists!

      They will destroy this great nation if given the chance. I hope the majority of the American people don’t give them that chance. I have much faith that we’ll do the right thing come November.

      • http://! Buzz Latte

        Ah, No vote for Oblabla! We need more like you to help us understand the reality of communist rule. The socialist twenty somethings, the Ayers, the Obamas and the Wrights of the world need to experience it first hand.

        • no vote for Oblabla

          That’s the problem though Buzz Latte. Look how many of our own socialists/communists have visited Cuba and Venezuela and come back even more ‘in love’ with those oppressive and murderous regimes. Ed Asner, Robert Redford, Paul Newman, Jane Fonda, Kris Kristofferson, Sean Penn…I can go on and on naming off these morons.

          What these blowhards don’t realize is that when they visit a communist country they are treated like royalty. They seem to eat up all the propaganda that they’re fed. They are not really allowed to mingle with the masses that are the ones that are hurting. The people in these countries are not allowed to talk against the regime to anyone, they live in constant fear for their and their families lives on a daily basis if they do so, so they wouldn’t speak out. Unless you were/are born there there’s no way you’d ever understand what it’s like living under that type of constant oppression.

          • workingclass artist

            Hmmm….Surely you cannot be describing Hollywood Class Guilt ?
            Class Guilt = Becoming super rich and insulated and tryin to reach out to the lil’ people to absolve said guilt….chuckle….
            Nothin like gaining creds as helpin thatch a hut in front of the cameras.

  • AF catfish

    Obama, citing sniffles, drops out of race. (Visualize it. Believe it.)

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    Ohhh, we have ALL seen this before. They did it to Hillary over and over.

    These idiots don’t understand that they are freakin alienating everyone.

    Obama sought the evangelical vote, but then the NUTJOB Obama supporters called Rick Warren a liar and cheat and OFFENDED everyone.

    NOW they want to say that McCain’s war stories are untrue. Are they so stupid that they do not see that they are now losing Obama the MILITARY VOTE? Are they so DUMB that they do not realize that Obama skipping his visit with wounded American soldiers in Germany offended some in the military?

    Are they ALL stupid, or what?

    Their tactics lost so many Hillary democrats who might have switched to Obama, and now they are trying to alienate those republicans and certain independents who might have switched to Obama.

    WAY TO GO DUMB SHITS!

    • Senator O’Donut Hole

      They didn’t learn from Wesley Clark’s comment that five years in a POW camp doesn’t qualify McCain for the presidency. That one remark on Bob Shieffer’s show energized the Repub base for the first time. Donations to McCain increased significantly that very week.

      It’s difficult to impugn any candidate’s military record, but to attack the recollection of a POW…that’s really going a bridge too far. This is the type of politicking that’s to be expected from a crowd that has no respect for the military.

      It’s also a form of projection – accusing McCain of making up stories. Obama’s entire presentation has been one big, well – fairy tale!

      • http://! Clinton Fan

        I have a theory about that Wes Clark comment!

        I think Wes knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he made that “intemperate” remark. I think he thought about it, guaged the effect, the fallout, and the timing for a statement of regret, and went ahead with it, for purely TACTICAL reasons.

        He presented an appearance of being a “good soldier” and made appearances supporting that Chicago turd, but I believe he “deliberately misspoke” in order to TAKE HIMSELF OUT OF THE RUNNING FOR VP.

        I mean, really, who in their right mind would want to be playing second banana on the biggest clunker of a ticket since Dukakis-Bentsen?

        And Wes Clark isn’t some 0-5 at his first command–he’s a four star general, who held one of the senior joint/International slots in the entire Armed Forces. Had he not screwed up and gotten pissed at those Russkies, he could have ended up on the JCS.

        He KNOWS about “misspeaking.” He also knows about “deliberate misspeaking” followed by “insincere apologies.”

        I really do think he was inoculating himself against being asked to join that losing ticket! Not that it was likely…but hey…INSURANCE!

        • stodghie

          i agree. that is my thinking as well. i also notice he(clark) isn’t going to the convention. barry made like that was his decision, but i wonder.

        • Hope Floats

          Wes Clark is famous for shooting off his mouth, though. I just accept the remark at face value.

        • workingclass artist

          Hmmmm…..very interestink…..No ? Good point CF…..hmmm…..

    • mimi

      To answer your question:

      Yes, they are this stupid.

      One of the reasons that I am so staunchly anti-0bama is because of these assholes. They were so offensive this winter during the Primary, and 0bama never called them off. He pretended to float above the fray.

      Well now he doesn’t have my support. N0bama, No way.

      WIN WITHOUT ME!

      These people have to be the dumbest piecesofshit I’ve ever seen. And what’s even more unbelievable is that they’ve learned nothing. You’d have thought by now they would have realized that insulting people doesn’t work. The end result of the Primary was PUMA.

      Now, they’ve insulted the evangelicals. Priceless!

  • katmandu

    Everyone has an opinion on VP picks. Here is Mr. Nader:

    Count Ralph Nader as unimpressed by the crop of supposed finalists to be Barack Obama’s running mate.

    “I don’t think he’s that dumb,” said Nader, commenting on widespread speculation that Obama’s choices are down to Sens. Joe Biden, Evan Bayh, or Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

    The smart pick, according to Nader, is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Nader phoned into Politico Tuesday afternoon to offer his prediction that a surprise nod to Clinton is actually what Obama has in mind—never mind the talk of mistrust between the Clintons and Obama.

    “He just has to swallow hard and do what JFK did” in picking rival Lyndon Johnson in 1960, said the liberal activist and maverick presidential candidate.

    According to Nader’s logic, Obama may dislike Hillary, but will conclude he has no choice but to get over it if he hopes to leave next week’s convention in Denver with a unified party and a decent shot against John McCain in the fall: “The polls show 25 percent of her supporters have not gotten on board.”

    “He’s got to be very concerned by the [neck-in-neck] polls and by what happened at Saddleback,” added Nader, referring to the recent candidates forum hosted by evangelist Rick Warren. “He got beat in Saddleback—big time.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12652.html

    • OBSP

      Unfortunatly, I agree! I just had some strange emails from my HRC friends in IL inviting me to events on Saturday. I Really, Really hope this is not true, but I think it is going to be HRC on the ticket.

      • HARP

        You may be right but I think Obama`s incomprtrnce has gone to far. Sorry Hillary.

        • OBSP

          From your fingers to God’s ear. I really hope that it is not true. The IL supporters had a get together last night. We just had one on the 29th of July to say goodbye. I did not go to the one last night. Then I got emails to keep 6pm open on Saturday for a send off to Denver for Hillary’s Delegates.

          • meileen

            Oh no. How effing sad that would be. Torturous, I tell ‘ya. Heartbreaking. She needs to stay far away from that leach.

            Please, say it ain’t so.

            • Ferdberfle

              She darn sure doesn’t want to ruin an impressive resume by teaming up with that clown.

        • http://! Clinton Fan

          I’d like to see her refuse, with the excuse that his supporters would be too angered, or something.

          I really hope she doesn’t take it–maybe develops a bad case of pancreatitis, or needs her gall bladder or appendix out, neccesitating a hospitalization…or something. ANYthing!

          I just RESENT seeing a capable woman carrying a great big honking load of dead weight like Barack across the finish line. Enough of that shit.

          Of course, the book she’d write after it was all over would probably be VERY interesting….but it’s a fairness issue. And it’s just NOT FAIR for her to play second fiddle to that crummy musician.

          She shouldn’t do the heavy lifting for that loser, and that IS what will happen.

    • mimi

      I don’t need Ralph, ‘he who gave us Bush in 2000′, Nader to point out the obvious.

      I’m sure it eating 0bama’s guts out right now that he is pretty much backed into a corner and has to deign to consider offering Hillary the Veep position. I’m sure the people in his camp, not to mention Michelle feel similarly.

      But what this says to me, is that the SDs need to go on and do the right thing and tell 0bama to piss off. He just ain’t got it. Nominate Hillary and let her choose her own running mate. And let’s beat the pants off McCain in Nov.

      But no, that would a smart move and we all know now that the Dems don’t have a brain cell in the entire leadership. We sure as hell know that people like Dean, Pelosi, Kerry don’t have it in them to admit that they were wrong.

      So Hillary, if you get the call to be Veep, please say ‘no.’

      I voted for you in the Primary but if you get on the ticket with 0bama, you’ll have to:

      WIN WITHOUT ME!

      I loathe 0bama. And I will not vote to have 4 more years of a president that I despise. Eight years have been quite enough thank you.

      • stodghie

        i think hillary said no sometime ago. so who? bayh, kaine, or biden. i am betting on kaine.

        • apishapa

          I’d say biden because he is really smart and he knows fireign affairs backwards and forwards. But he does run off at the mouth. Bayh will put eveyone to sleep. Kaine’s response to the SOTU was an embarassment.

        • Hope Floats

          Kaine would be monumentally stupid, since he’s pro life. Maybe the Dems think they can still win over evangelicals and flip Virginia. They seem that dumb.

    • chandler

      Does anyone think that if Obama DOES choose Hillary for VP that HIS base of moonbats will be so angry that they don’t vote for him?

      • Newly Independent

        Good – which guarantees that Obama will lose.

        Either way, Obama will be OUT of the picture in November!

    • DAB

      I heard that the Obamites never looked into Hillary’s background and that Michelle was very influential in deciding who gets the VP nod. These point to a “no go” for Hillary and I hope that is true!

    • morganjane

      Bill Mahr said so last night too on Larry King Live. He said ‘we need Hillary’ or something like that. Then said Obama is “republican light”, and dissed McCain but admited he supported McCain in 2000. He is one of the reasons Hillary didn’t make it, he was part of the sexist machine that worshipped the idea of having a black canidate. Bill M. always says Dems are pussies and then said Hillary was too harsh… ?
      NOW Bill Mahr is saying “where is my hero”… Hillary was our HERO!

      • workingclass artist

        Bill Mahr is sooooo full o’ shit….( sigh )
        He has become another embarrassment…..Hmmmm…..
        DO I HEAR THE SQUEEKY SOUND OF COLLECTIVE BACK PEDALLING…..SHEESH!

  • blog force one

    BTW, all of Obama’s relatives except his grandma are foreign Muslims. can anyone say NATIONAL SECURITY ??

    • IndayHill

      You are definitely correct.Will the Homeland Security give the same rigid screening to the Kenyan radical Muslim relatives of Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. when they come to attend the coronation at Denver? The maternal grandma is not even given any spot of importance ’cause she is the typical white folk.Of course, when Barry wants to use her for the white votes, then he mentions the grandma.
      How phony can he get.

      Hillary or McCain ’08

    • Hope Floats

      You’re not allowed to say that.

  • JohninCA

    The swiftboating of McCain won’t work because he’s not going away to wind surf; he’ll have the testesterone to stand up to it.

    While Republicans have their own problems this year, they might just defeat a certain competing party that has nothing to offer but the race card, the smear and the Big Lie.

  • democracyfirst

    OT – Andrea Mitchell just said the McCain campaign is asking certain states if he can put a non-republican on the ballot. She surmises it means Lieberman is high on his list.

    Oh my goodness! I suggested that since McCain is announcing his VP the day after the ‘obama’ convention, he may be picking Hillary if she isn’t nominated. Now he’s asking if a non-Repub can be on the ballot. I think he and Hillary may have a huge surprise in store for everyone – and I don’t think it is Lieberman.

    • fif

      No way is Hillary jumping to the Republican ticket. She’s a died-in-the-wool Democrat. It would be a great ticket, but I just don’t see her doing that.

      Re: the McCain cross. These desperate idiots are shooting themselves in the foot. It will completely backfire. All these ninnies who never served a day in the military are going to pick apart a war hero’s record? It will turn off Americans, big time and rightfully so.

      • fif

        dyed in the wool…

        • democracyfirst

          But she loves this country and the people in it. The one thing that has been bothering me is that Hillary seemed to be putting party before country (but not wholeheartedly). That doesn’t fit into her character. She loves this country.

          I agree it is a long shot but anything can happen. If that is the plan, we wouldn’t want to spoil the surprise anyway.

      • georgiapeach

        She wouldn’t have to run on a Republican ticket. She could remain a Democrat and make it a bi-partisan ticket. Or call it a post-partisan ticket if you really want to rub Obama’s face in it.

        • democracyfirst

          Agreed. And remember, Clinton and McCain are good friends and respect each other. Neither of them said much negative about the other in the primary – McCain even defended Hillary once or twice.

          It’s a longshot but something big has been in the works and we haven’t figured out exactly what.

          Plus I just heard a woman say there are very many pro choice people in the Repub party. I think any conservatives McCain would lose would be more than made up by Hillary supporters and Independents.

          • meileen

            Goddess forgive me, but I actually would prefer her linking herself with McCain rather than Obabi.

          • sproutingly

            It would be very, very smart of McCain to do this. As was pointed out, they are friends, they like each other. I can see it.

        • wlm

          Has certainly crossed my mind. I think it would be great!

        • Georgia

          I’d love that!!!!!!! from one Georgia’n to another…

        • http://mbc MBC

          CNN brought it up last night, but I was dozing…we have had a two party ticket before, does anyone know what President?

      • sowsear

        Wasn’t Hillary a Republican before she was a Dem?

        • Ferdberfle

          Yep–worked for Goldwater.

          • democracyfirst

            She switched because she realized her heart was more aligned with the Democratic Party ideology. Now that the Democratic Party’s ideology is corrupt, she may be thinking it is time to switch to something else – maybe working toward the third party we need.

            A McCain/Clinton ticket would be a first step.

            • Ferdberfle

              I agree completely, especially the part about the potential for a third party. I was a Democrat for many years but just can’t do it anymore.

        • workingclass artist

          Hmmm….Wasn’t Reagan a democrat before he switched parties ?

    • http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

      That is one of my political fantasies. Talk about getting everyone’s heads spinning in circles– McCain/Clinton –instant winner. And the beginnings of a much needed third, Moderate, party.

    • Hope Floats

      She’s trying to freak out the GOP base. McCain will pick a conservative with pro life credentials, or he will lose. Andrea Mitchell is attempting a psych out.

  • The Real Hope

    This is election politics. Plain and simple. It is supposed to be nasty and bloody. This way we find out who is the Alpha. McCain can take it so let’s not baby him either. Let them get bloody.

    • candymarl

      So this is not about the good of the country but who the “Alpha male” is? Good grief, let the chest beating begin.

      No wonder Hillary was trashed. This is apparently supposed to be a males only club.

      Oy.

      • The Real Hope

        Candy,
        Did you ever hear of an alpha female in wolf packs? HUH? Well there are alpha females! I wasn’t talking about gender. I said ALPHA! Alpha can be female or male. I never trashed Hillary so don’t even start with me about that shit.

        Go check out what Bill Clinton said about campaign politics. He mentioned himself that if you don’t want to get beat up or bloody then get out of politics. Hillary never gave up and proved herself every bit ALPHA! She would have been the best of them all. She showed them her teeth and she never backed down! She could have beat the hell out of McCain. Obama is nothing but a wannabe MLK.

        If Obama can’t take the pain of a good fight then let’s all watch him get the tar beaten out of him or same for McCain only McCain is tougher.

        • Northwest rain

          In the hyena it is ALL the female alpha – males must be subservient to the females.

          • Zeke

            Michelle and Grandma?

        • candymarl

          Sorry if I misunderstood your comment. Much apologies. it’s been a crappy day but I should have read your comment more carefully. Again, my apologies.

        • Hope Floats

          Were not Romulus and Remus suckled by a she wolf?

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      A little less testosterone would be a good thing. Obama looks like Dudley DoRight, and thus far, he hasn’t laid a glove on McCain.

      So much for the “bloody” part. The only one bleeding out his big ears and his ass is Obama. He’s been brutalized by Johnny “My Friends” McCain, and nobody expected it.

      Obama’s supporters need to understand that you don’t HAVE teleprompters at debates–it’s all down to MEMORY. I’m thinking those five years in the Hanoi Hilton were probably very effective in training Senator McCain to remember shit.

      One of the things they teach you in survival school is to memorize the names and service numbers of every single prisoner who is held captive with you. If there are some that are hidden, in solitary, or what-have-you, you try to get the names from others if you can communicate at all (Morse code, if you can’t speak). You repeat them, day in and day out, until you know the list cold.

      Why? In the event that you escape, you’ve got the enemy’s prison camp roster–IN YOUR HEAD.

      I’ll bet McCain has a better memory than people give him credit for–it’s probably phenomenal compared to most.

  • Katmoon

    Great Article, and good reminder. Remember Senator MCCain has been through this type of filthy bashing before, recall 2000 primaries. Making these cruel/ stupid remarks about Senator MCCain just pisses people off.

  • AMERICAN SAWBUCK

    This household has registered Independent…. taken its self off a zillion lists and sent back all democratic mailings with nobama/ mccain 08

    Yet for the last 7 days in a row I have received calls from the dems ..I tell each one this is now a McCain household and that you dumped Hillary we dumped you. and yet they continue to call and send mail…..I could not be clearer.They sound like they are getting more and more desperate. I assume if precious keeps dropping in the polls we will get death threats next …but never the less they sound desperate on the phone and I hope it is indicative of something bad for barry..His evil heart will be his undoing.

    • http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02EEDF1138F933A25754C0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink ummm

      Wow. Obama’s people called you 7 days a row???? In August?????

      How many McCain call’s did you get?

      Either you are terribly poor liar, or Obama’s ground game is astonishing and McCain is fucked.

      • Ferdberfle

        Either you are terribly poor liar, or Obama’s ground game is astonishing and McCain is fucked.

        Wrong again, troll. It could also be that the programming, er instructions given the OBamabots making the phone calls was in error. Or they could just be stupid or merely trying to annoy people like you do.

        • artemis

          same thing happened to me as soon as Edwards dropped out of the race. he obviously handed over his donor lists. everytime i get a mail solicitation i write FIX FISA FIRST on it and return in the prepaid envelope. it costs them $ to send it to me and $ to get it back. they still keep sending.

          the OH DNC called after our primary and tried to tell me that their call wasn’t about the presidential race, that it was about local races, when I went off on them about FL, MI and FISA. they opened the call with a statement about losing the supreme court to the conservatives and putting a dem in the WH.

          i’m tempted to respond to their email solicitations with .01 online donations. the credit card charge would cost them more than my donation. maybe then they would get the message.

          also started getting emails from Biden again about 7-8 days ago. they virtually disappeared after he dropped out. i figure he’s probably going to be the VP pick and that’s why he has resurfaced

          not going GOP but seriously considering throwing my support behind a third party candidate.

      • Hope Floats

        Obama has the same ground game Kerry had, and it won’t work. You need the volunteers of your base who are known in their communities, if you want to effectively convince people to vote for your guy.

  • candymarl

    McCain’s version of events is verified by a fellow POW from a different branch of service.

    I guess TPM, DKos, and others couldn’t be bothered to check it out.

    Oh yeah, everyone loves being a POW. The same folks that have so much compassion for others being unlawfully detained and tortured have none for John McCain. This isn’t just about politics and parties. This goes to basic human decency. I am appalled.

    • http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

      I hear Precious plans on giving some Pumas a POW experience in Denver.

    • georgiapeach

      They don’t have any compassion for the poor and the working class, either. It would appear that they have a lot in common with their leader. Most of us stupid hillbillies figured out a long time ago that when they say “low information voters” they are referring to blue-collar and poor Democrats. But their is nothing that we like better than seeing a bratty little snob get their comeuppance. I hope these little snots get theirs in November.

      • Zeke

        How right you are, Peach!
        Barry is just the newest form of carpetbagger…

  • HARP

    Well there is another state off his list. Oh I guess the trolls will say polls don`t matter.

    Republican John McCain defeats Democrat Barack Obama by 6 points, 50% to 44%, according to this latest SurveyUSA tracking poll

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=3c299ac8-437b-4ecc-9f0e-2d2ba6a36e92

    • meileen

      And another one bites the dust.

      It is interesting, though. Wasn’t this the state that O said would be the tie-breaker? And even though Hillary eeked out a win, the supers still dozed on, dreaming of an inexperienced dude who consults his wife and granny on foreign affairs.

  • Peggy Sue

    Obama’s crew and the Obamatrons can read the shifting polls just the way we can. He’s sinking, losing whatever advantage he had coming out of the primaries. So, how does Obama and his supporters try to get it back the status quo? Attack, attack, attack.

    So be it for the “new” politics. :0)

    So where do you attack? So far, nothing is sticking to John McCain. The “old man” jokes got old quick. The idea that McCain would be “Bush 3″ is lame. If there’s one thing McCain is “not” is George Bush.

    So, attack McCain’s military record? This is a true act of desperation from a candidate who has no experience that even bcomes close to McCain’s early life and military record. John McCain for all his failings has led a “big life.” How many Presidental candidates could say they endured capture, torture and a true test of one’s being? In addition, he’s had a long and distinguished Congressional record.

    Not too many meet the bar, not in this day or any other. So, if Barack Obama thinks this is a good avenue of attack?

    Good luck with that.

    Try tearing down a Vietnam POW veteran, diminishing his experience, accusing him of collaboration and/or lying. McCain is not John Kerry.

    But keep it up. The blowback should be very inreresting.

    • mimi

      One correction to your comment:

      0bama had no advantage coming out of the Primary. He started losing ground after Ohio and Texas and it’s been downhill ever since.

      The DNC and the 0bama campaign have been in denial about it. The reason they wanted Hillary out early on was that they wanted to railroad this man’s candidacy to everyone. They see Hillary as spoiling this and still do. It’s her fault her supporters won’t come on board, not that 0bama is ill-prepared, inexperienced or that his supporters and the campaign tactics were offensive and scaberous.

      After Saddleback, they’re still scrambling to try to see the glow of his candidacy when in reality it’s all been based on a lie.

      As in 1968, 1972,1988, they backed the wrong horse.

      Geez, wouldn’t it be nice if the Dems would examine their history before it’s too late, so they won’t have to repeat it.

      0bama’s candidacy is dead! 0bama killed it himself. And there’s no saving him at this point.

      • Peggy Sue

        I think you’re right, Mimi. Obama starting losing during the primaries when Hillary Clinton was racking up win after win in the states that Dems absolutely “have” to win to get to the White House. The “bump” was media driven and you can see the effects of that now.

        Barack Obama was a candidate shoved down the throats of Democratic voters. Loyalists were told to stay home–we weren’t important, not necessary to the “New Party.”

        Well, it’s “party-hearty” time now. Read those polls and weep! McCain is steadily gaining in all the swing states that Obama’s people said were a given. Read ‘em and weep.

        And exactly who’s not needed? They better scare up a lot of dead bodies before November.

        And Hillary as VP? With or without her, I will not vote this ticket. Too little, too late.

      • stodghie

        even btd on talk left is saying that and he is an obama supporter.(or was)

        • apishapa

          BTD has been for Obama since the start. He tried to be evenhanded in his posts during the primaries, and he railed against the unfair treatment of Hillary by Obama and the media. But he never left any doubt that he was convinced that Obama would win and that he supported him whether he was the best candidate or not. So, it is no surprise that BTD supports Obama, he always did.

          They were more fair to Hillary than any of the other Obama sites. Jerlyn supported Hillary, but never made any bones about her support of whichever Democrat is nominated.

      • DAB

        BO reminds of that horse Big Brown who galloped along until the final race where he totally petered out and came in last.

    • Georgia

      Yes kinda like waving a swastika in a 4th of July parade!

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      The “old man” jokes are starting to piss off old men…AND old women.

      And they go to the polls more reliably than young stoners who are under the misapprehension that a vote for Obonger is a vote for legalization.

      It ain’t–but they were too bonged to notice.

      • Zeke

        How true Fan…
        I wrote a few days ago that I had done some quick math and found out that we Boomers, et al, combined with the Greatest Generation still alive and kickin’ hard, outnumber any other group you can think of except for the two sexes.
        Brilliant plan for them to tell us we aren’t needed.
        What I find funny is that sentence is oft times followed by “what’s for dinner?”

      • DAB

        Craig Ferguson admitted that ageist jokes are all they can come up with for McCain.

        I agree that this tired line is getting OLD.

  • cdo

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/19/19206/9688
    McCain +6 in IN.

    I’ve always liked BTD’s read on polls.
    He has an interesting notion that it means Kaine will be BO’s VP pick.

    apparently Biden has said its not him.

    • stodghie

      biden has backtracked. interesting!

  • kgirl1028

    this is the same bull they pulled after the abc debate. Obama’s people lack the ability to realize that people may let one incident slide, but we have wonderful pattern recognition especially when they happen close together. This walls are closing in on this man, i just wish the trap would spring already. I’m getting so sick of his supporters. I’m just ready for the final splat.

    • apishapa

      What is it Atrios always calls whiners? WATB (Whiny Assed Titty Baby). I wonder if he is using that phrase about his candidate?

  • JohninCA

    RCP new electoral map without tossups: a far cry from the “no can lose” year Democrats were supposed to have…

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

  • Andy

    SUSA Indiana has McCain up by 6%… RCP electoral votes have changed dramatically. Now they are

    Obama McCain Toss-up
    RCP Electoral Count 228 178 132
    No Toss Up States 264 274 -

  • Postmaster

    I don’t think Hillary will be McCain’s VP simply because how will she explain why she is supporting and campaigning for Obama? It sure is a nice thought, tho.

  • Raven

    The idea the national media in our country has chosen to turn a blind eye to the red flags concern-ing Sen.Obama is more than troubling. We need a free
    inquiring media of unencumbered by political bias.
    To at least be willing to suspend personal political
    bias in pursuit of truth.
    After the years that we have endured with the current
    administration, I think voters of all parties are
    ready for a new leadership, a new POTUS. The MSM ap-
    parently, started this primary season having decided
    that their role would be greater than “just” report-
    ing the news. Many chose primary winners, before the
    voters, suggested candidates leave the race etc.
    What didn’t happen was the proper VETTING of OBAMA.
    And now, we have a major publication, repeating this
    bloggers suggestion. Now, let’s get this straight,
    a cross drawn in the Soviet Union… a cross drawn
    in Viet Nam. Does anyone think that anywhere in the
    world, that there may not have been others? My God
    in such inhumane circumstances, what a quiet way to
    relay strength and comfort. You don’t have to a
    McCain supporter to “get that”.
    MSM needs to wake up! They were needlessly vicious with both Clintons. They just need to be professional and on the side of American people! Its only our country at stake!

  • calindi

    The amazing thing to me is that Andrew Sullivan, a plausibly intelligent guy, is throwing his professional rep in the sewer for what? or better yet, who? A guy (Obama) with no loyalty to anyone but himself. Disgusting, but like all real drunks, until Sullivan sobers up from his KoolAid binge, he’s likely to keep embarassing himself with bad, self-destructive behavior.

    • meileen

      My hunch is he likes his shoe size.

      ;)

      • Zeke

        :)

      • Hope Floats

        It’s just a cell phone!

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      Sullivan is a prostitute of the WORST order.

      He’s a gay Catholic who thinks that if he is a good little boy, and argues his case continuously, and forcefully enough, one day the Pope will love him.

      He used to worship at the altar of George Bush and was an ardent war supporter.

      He flips, and flops…alot like his most recent hero. He seems to go with whatever is popular in the polls.

      A decent command of the English language, better grammar than most Americans, and a nice BBC British accent don’t make a person a genius. He gets more credit than he’s due, IMO….

      • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

        Funny that the main stream media considers him a talking head, the gay community thinks he does his best work biting a pillow.

        • workingclass artist

          LOL….Sullivan is a petulant pillow biter…..chuckle…..
          Most Gays and Lesbians are seeking mainstream lives and the culture is undergoing rapid adjustment of assimilation to the Great American Middle.
          I was chatting with my neighbors the other day, a really cut and bright couple and we were discussing this race and Gay Rights. They were saying things weren’t happening fast enough ( true ) but I reminded them that if they were to step back and compare their movement to the civil rights movement….Socio/political evolution had happened on an incredibly fast pace……
          I said in just under 1/2 of an average life time ( mine and I’m 48 ) Gays have gone from being underground and undiscussed….to living in the suburbs with children and being married in some states and being on TeeVee……I said it is truly a remarkable achievement. Then we laughed. Sometimes it takes a step back to look at how far you have come to see things in perspective. IMHO HUMAN RIGHTS are a devinely Just Cause……These will always win out in a democracy and are the first to be eradicated in FASCIST totalitarianism…..

      • http://! Buzz Latte

        agreed. I hate Sullivan on Bill Mahar, but when Mahar went in the tank for Obama I quit watching all together.

        • DAB

          Me too.

        • DAB

          Can’t stand to watch the show anymore either. It had become so one-sided that he could no longer get Republicans to come on. Then it became such a BO love fest that Hillary supporters started falling by the wayside.

          Maher always struck me as a smart guy who would resist drinking any suspect liquids — wonder if he is having a hangover right about now?

      • Firefly

        I remember it well – way, way back right before Hillary entered the race, Andrew Sullivan was one of the 4 bobble-heads on Tweety’s Sunday morning show.

        The subject came up of Hillary probably entering the race and Sullivan did that “Ewwwwwwwww” thing and (theatrically) “shivered” all over. Then he said something like, “I can’t help it – that’s just the reaction I always have to her!”

        I have detested that Sullivan hack since that moment.

        Of course, it’ll come as no surprise to anyone here that Tweety laughed his ass off and thought it was just the wittiest, most profound comment EVAH!

        • Hope Floats

          There are some queers who enjoy bashing women. I love the LGBT community, but this is a sad truth. Until this year, I thought that behavior from men in general was more of a rarity. It’s even women.

          • workingclass artist

            True that…My twin brother is gay…..It’s like most ( sigh ) unresolved MOMMY issues…..and obvious….

        • DAB

          I turned on MSNBC for the Olympics and lo and behold Hardball was back on. I watched it only long enough to hear Matthews say, “People are using this lack of experience thing as an excuse not to vote for Barack.” In other words, we’re all racists and shouldn’t bother our little heads about ones qualifications.

          That was enough for me — won’t go back there until the next Olympics.

          • workingclass artist

            LOL….Hillbuzz is posting Michael Moore’s open letter to Caroline Kennedy imploring her to be Barry’s VP…..This is rich….Hey who needs ANY EXPERIENCE OR RESUME…..Aaaand in Barry’s case who needs a singular ID or US birth certificate/citizenship…..Hell Who needs elections….sooooo last century…..sheeeesh!

      • RepublicanChick

        Wrong Clinton Fan! :-)

        Like all things in Andrew’s life, this takes some sorting out. Grab a latte and let’s review.

        He loved Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.

        He is also good friends with Christopher Hitchens and Alexander Cockburn. Although, I’m not sure whether he’s in the middle between Cockburn and Hitchens on-going feud. It’s a drama. I need another latte.

        Anyhoo, he supported John McCain and then decided to support George W. Bush. The next time around he was warming up to John F. Kerry.

        In the mix of all this was his fighting with the Catholic churches views on gays and other things. Some days I wished he’d write about his partner and dog. They were keepers, but some of his political viewpoints were strange to say the least.

        I was an early reader of his blog. It was fun, energetic, and he was interactive with his readers. Some of his best postings and links had nothing to do with politics.

        • NObama in August

          He is also good friends with Christopher Hitchens

          That explains things. ugh.

          • Hope Floats

            The NQ post where Hitch underwent water-boarding titled “Did He Think It Was Scotch?” is still a personal favorite. You guys rule.

  • cdo

    Obama is toast. He has already lost. He has been losing since March. Stick a fork in, he is done.

  • Raven

    I stopped reading TPM during the primary when he was
    bashing Clinton. I’m not suprised by his current
    “low” actions.

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      I wonder if old Josh is getting paid by Team Obama, like KOS? Wonder how they write it off? Netroots advisor? Internet facilitator? Some other horseshit name, that in the end means “Paid Shill?”

      I think AMERICABLOG is “on the take” too. That guy who runs that site used to work for Madeleine Albright and he used to be more open-minded, now he’s turned into a little Obamanazi–she’s be APPALLED at the way he’s demanding the Coronation of Barack without due process. And he has some history knowledge, too, so there’s no fucking excuse with him–he’s gotta be getting paid. There’s no other explanation for such blatant…whoredom. I hope it’s worth the price of his shrivelled soul.

      All these assholes who get pissed about a floor vote forget a couple of things, because they are STUPID and don’t know their history:

      JFK had a floor vote. LBJ wanted the job and that convention was somewhat contentious. They went through rounds of “favorite sons” and more than a little “smoke filled room” to emerge with Kennedy.

      RFK was ON HIS WAY to a floor vote–and a floor FIGHT– in Chicago when he was MURDERED. That’s what his “On to Chicago” remark was all about–NO ONE had enough delegates to secure the nomination.

      One more Kennedy, for the Floor Fight buffs–TED Kennedy, of coke-MaryJo-Chappaquiddick infamy (and all that was happening contemporaneously, damn near) challenged a SITTING DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, an INCUMBENT, for the nomination. Yes, Ted Kennedy tried to boot Jimmy Carter off the ticket–and he DEMANDED, and GOT, his roll call vote.

      I don’t see anyone yelling at JFK, RFK and EMK for participating in a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS at a DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION….do you?

      So WHY, I wonder, do they treat Hillary differently? What’s different about her?

      Could it be…..her GENDER?

      Inquiring minds want to know!

      For the life of me, I don’t understand why the media doesn’t MENTION this shit. Oh, that’s right…they’re all in the tank for Barack.

  • JP49

    Sullivan is risking his career for Obama. He and the other media idiots have been paid nicely and will continue to be paid nicely and get a lot of gifts under the table for what they have done this election season. They should all go to jail. I will never vote for Obama on any ticket ever. If McCain picks Hillary I will be thrilled.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      When Oblowhard loses in November, after about 1 week of woe is me how racist america is news coverage, the Main Stream propoganda pushers Media Pundits will start cannabolizing each other to blood let sufficiently to save some of their asses from the backlash that is inevitable for the fake push the media perpetrated on the american public.

      Its coming and Sullivan will be one of those made irrelevant, allowing him to spend even more time doing what he does best…in dark alleys.

      • Hope Floats

        OH SNAP! Apres moi, le deluge, bitches!

  • maidyalook2

    I want Hillary, but if not, I have no problem with McCain. I find it hypocritical to call McCain a liar, and try to swiftboat him after we Dems hated it when Kerry was swiftboated. PUMA

    • Ferdberfle

      The excretory organs running the DNC are not democrats and don’t care how low they stoop to get their desired end. Sure sounds like a group of neocons to me.

  • Katmoon

    A reminder From O senate page

    obama.senate.gov/press/071030-obama_opposes_m/

    Obama Opposes Mukasey Nomination
    Tuesday, October 30, 2007

    “We are a nation of laws, and those laws apply equally to the President of the United States and common citizens.

  • ming the merciless

    The McCain campaign shouldn’t have gone negative. They’ve run national ads drawing a comparison between Obama and the likes of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears that are nothing more than demeaning character attacks. They’ve run national ads challenging Obama’s patriotism and his concern for American’s in uniform. They’ve run ads deliberately distorting Obama’s proposed tax policies–ads that are little more than bold-faced lies to the American people. They started doing this crap weeks ago, and Obama haters were delighted.

    Now they’re beginning to get some serious return fire and they don’t like it. They’re crying foul and howling their heads off.

    If they can’t take it, they shouldn’t have started dishing it out. If they want the Obama campaign to play nice, they should try playing nice themselves.

    • Ferdberfle

      Your selective indignation is showing again.

      • ming the merciless

        It’s not my fault that the McCain people have decided to embrace a mode of political attack that I find both distasteful and damaging to American politics. I’m disappointed. I thought John would set a higher standard. But that doesn’t mean I expect the Obama people to fight with one hand tied behind their back. Where that leads was a lesson learned all too well from the Kerry campaign.

        • Ferdberfle

          I hope Oblahblah tries–he can even have a third or fourth arm–hell let him have an army. McCain will clean his clock but good. Buh-bye Oblahblah.

        • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

          The obama people dont have a record to stand on all they have is smears.

          Kerry atleast had a record.

          Not the same thing buddy.

          Everybody saw how much McCain out presidented Oblowhard this past weekend…its only going to get worse.

          I hope obama does go negative. I look forward to the massive amount of ads that come from the right tearing this pompous fool of a crook apart.

          By the time the right is done with Obama, he wont be able to get a job at taco bell.

        • AnnieO

          Realty check–campaigns use negative attack ads. They are actually very useful in analyzing both candidates! The idea that campaigns should not go negative is naive and foolish!

        • Hope Floats

          Obama started the noise about McCain’s service record going back to the primaries when Sen. Jay Rockefeller made his remark about how our fighter pilots are inhuman baby killers who feel nothing.

          Obama was making jokes about McCain’s age, how he is boring and just like Bush. McCain came back by branding him as a dumb blonde, a celebrity who’s done nothing but just entertain the mob that lives for bread and circuses.

          It worked. Now Obama is desperate, if he is making up stories about McCain “cheating” at debates and milking his POW years. You’ll see more fallout in the polls.

        • Newly Independent

          “It’s not my fault that the McCain people have decided to embrace a mode of political attack that I find both distasteful and damaging to American politics.”

          From under which rock did you crawl?

          • roseeriter

            Obamabots have no sense of humor. The Paris Brittney ad MOCKED Obama and rightly so. Obama’s campaign has been like a bad commercial this whole primary and we don’t want the faulty product.

            Someone stated that Obama’s PUBLIC IMAGE was being damaged…oh boo hoo hoo.

            If that’s the bots main concern-Obama’s PUBLIC IMAGE- instead of experience and qualifications
            they are sicker and stupider than I originally thought, and thats REALLY STUPID.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      The Obama campaign is full of marxists and assholes.

      They plyed dirty throughout the primaries branding the clintons racists pressuring and bribing superdelegates, rigging caucuses and bussing in supporters, lieing about hillary’s record and positions and proposals, covering up the shitstorm of poor judgement and shady dealings in Obuttheads past.

      What makes anyone think they arent going to do that and play NICE in the general?

      Didnt they start race baiting already saying McCan was goign to say look he is black to scare voters?

      Eat a Richard you idiotic koolaid drinking Obuttlicker.

      Your racebaiting whiner with no record of accomplishments has been running around saying McCain cheated and mcCain made up stories about his POW days as a way to explain why he was so inadequate once again in the debate.

      Seriously i Hope the Republicans rip Obutthead a huge new asshole so all his moronic supporters like yourself have a place to go and congregate when his sorry ass loses in november.

      Seriously, i am all for discussion and opposign opinion but for f*cks sake, stop letting your O-Hand signal reatarded 12 year old children out of the basement and onto the internet when you are off getting your Starbucks Lattes Liberals.

      • Katmoon

        GMTA!

        • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

          what the heck is GMTA?

          • Ferdberfle

            Acronym for “great minds think alike”.

            • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

              ah…seriously though.

              Why is it that 99 % of the Oballlickers that show up here are just ignorant tools. Don’t they have anyone who can actually…oh wait…nevermind…look at their leader.

              • Ferdberfle

                Comic relief?

      • ming the merciless

        Your public demonstration of the level that Obama-haters’ tiny little minds operate on is, as ever, much appreciated. It helps to clarify the sort of thing that Barack Obama is up against. Please accept my thanks.

        • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

          Seriously, let me just say if you were laying in the middle of the road, dying of thirst with vultures flying over head, i wouldn’t call susan from Survivor 1 to drive up and piss on you.

          Do you actually think you koolaid inspired insipid Oblubbering affects anyone on this site and how they think about your inadequate unaccomplished lying flip flopping fake candidate??

          NOBODY CARES!

          Go make your O-Hand signal and stock up on kleenex, you will need it in november.

          You are an idiot. Your Candidate is an Idiot.

          I would try to explain exactly why in terms y7ou could understand but i am afraid that it would still be above your pay grade.

          • ming the merciless

            No, my commentary is intended for outsiders who wander through this site. This is a publicly viewed forum, you know. Anything you say here is right out there for the world to see. That’s why I generally remain polite even when provoked, and try to remain focused on important policy differences and opinion backed up with fact.

            I’ve felt quite bad at times that Hillary Clinton should be involuntarily associated with some of the more extreme opinions about Barack Obama that are expressed here. I don’t feel quite so bad that John McCain should become victim to the same involuntariy associations, since I’m hoping to see him lose the election.

            • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

              yawn. Troll.

              Go choke on one of your messiah’s Obacktracks.

              You suck.

              Your candidate sucks more.

              Enjoy Obama’s November Loss. Its coming.

              I wonder how long after that before the indictment pops about his involvement with the kitchen cabinet in chicago…you know the one where he was getting campaign contributions for the deals that Rezko pushed through the puppet approvbal board barry set up?

              I am sure you dont want to talk about THOSE facts or any others really.

              Be gone twit.

              • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

                oh and by the way ming, i hae read many of yoru comments on this site over the past month, you are a troll. That I know.

                Daily Kos is a better place for you.

            • Hope Floats

              believe, debbie, ukfordems (which always seemed liked yuckfordems to me), ted…

              is it the oborg effect? do they lose their humanity once they emerge from the pod? why do they always sound exactly the same?

              “That’s why I generally remain polite even when provoked, and try to remain focused on important policy differences and opinion backed up with fact.”

              Have they ever argued policy? NO! Because it is bound to CHANGE the next day.

              I don’t want no SCRUBS, SCRUBS is a brother can’t get no love from me, hanging from the passenger side of Pelosi’s ride, trying to holler at me…

    • stodghie

      oh that is so frigging funny! an obama hypocrite trying to do the righteous routine. get back to the sleezy well you crawled out of troll.

      • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

        yeah he trolls here a lot. each week he tries a new tack.

        I recall the Your Hurting Hillary one, the Scare them with their vagina one, the you arent true democrat one, and many others.

        Its just more talking points from the paid trolls from Camp Messiah.

    • Newly Independent

      “If they can’t take it, they shouldn’t have started dishing it out. If they want the Obama campaign to play nice, they should try playing nice themselves.”

      Oh, shut up.

      John McCain and the GOP have more than enough to blow Obama completely out of the water in November.

      What’s so pathetic is that it’s not even going to take much at all for McCain to beat Obama. Obama’s such an inadequate, inept candidate that the ONLY thing he can possibly do to stay in the race is attack McCain.

      And by Obama going on the attack, he kills his fake “above the fray” persona altogether. Mr. “new politics” going negative? Yet one more promise he will break to try to win the White House. Then at least some of Obama’s supporters may finally see him for the blatant phony and empty suit he is.

      But honestly, what choice Obama’s got? He sure as hell can’t campaign on experience. He lacks it. He can’t campaign on principle – he’s flip-flopped on virtually EVERYTHING he campaigned on during the primary. The marketing tricks and gimmics aren’t working anymore. What’s left? Negative attacks and the “race card?”

    • Newly Independent

      “If they can’t take it, they shouldn’t have started dishing it out. If they want the Obama campaign to play nice, they should try playing nice themselves.”

      Oh, shut up.

      John McCain and the GOP have more than enough to blow Obama completely out of the water in November.

      What’s so pathetic is that it’s not even going to take much at all for McCain to beat Obama. Obama’s such an inadequate, inept candidate that the ONLY thing he can possibly do to stay in the race is attack McCain.

      And by Obama going on the attack, he kills his fake “above the fray” persona altogether. Mr. “new politics” going negative? Yet one more promise he will break to try to win the White House. Then at least some of Obama’s supporters may finally see him for the blatant phony and empty suit he is.

      But honestly, what choice Obama’s got? He sure as hell can’t campaign on experience. He lacks it. He can’t campaign on principle – he’s flip-flopped on virtually EVERYTHING he campaigned on during the primary. The marketing tricks and gimmicks aren’t working anymore. What’s left? Negative attacks and the “race card?”

  • Katmoon

    That would be phony play nice, oh like the big O did with Hillary; McCain won’t put up with it; he slammed that fool every time he tried that lie pandering, I hope he continues to as well. What’s with all this play nice crap~who is the fool and his campaign who rang the racist bell? That would be the Obama babies, you know complaining the poor thing didn’t have a fair chance at Saddleback, do you know how weak that looks? You wanna throw sh*t, then Common On! Otherwise, deal with it, politics are ugly, and bloody and mean, you want to play nice, then go back to being a child, this game is for adults.Not some confused, passive aggressive, whiny baby. That’s just who I want representing my country, some whimp ass who bitches every time he has to deal in real politics. “It’s a contact sport”.

  • cathnealon

    First, if BO chooses Hillary we will not vote for him, Never. Sorry Hillary you should run as far from this loser as possible. MCCain/Clinton would be fine. Another thing, BO’s crazy supporters should not use the swiftboat strategy on McCain–he’s not Kerry and he’s got so many secrets, red flags,and skeletons that McCain can come after him especially if he wins the nomination. They have no proof that McCain took something from Solzhenitsyn and even if he did the Russian author stood up against and was imprisoned for the same bullshit that BO and his leftist Marxists are trying to pull on the Americna people. The great Russian would have been proud of McCain and his service to this country.

    • AnnieO

      McCain/Clinton Country First—God, that would look great on a bumper sticker!

      • roseeriter

        I would love it. She would also prove that the country and people she works so hard for does come first. It would be a masterful KICK IN THE BALLS to the Misogynist hypocritical clinton haters wingers of both sides. I would RELISH that ticket!!

  • SandyK

    I had thought about this ticket as well – McCain/Clinton. She would definitely pull the disenchanted democrats as well as the hispanic vote. But I am not sure republicans/conservatives could tolerate a clinton on the ticket.

    Being a republican myself, I have not looked on the clintons very favorably for quite a while. But I did have to give grudging respect and admiration to Hillary as she battled in the primaries. She is one tough lady and she handled herself well in light of what she was up against (media bias).

    I am not convinced the “base” would stay with McCain. He did himself a world of good at the Warren forum, and to choose a democrat/pro-choice VP would not bode well for him.

    My best scenario – get Mccain elected and hillary would have the pole position for 2012.

    • RepublicanChick

      SandyK – BRAVO! Exactly!

      Although, I’m pulling for Sarah Palin. If Romney is chosen, I don’t know what I would do.

      I also believe McCain should just keep campaigning and stop making appearances on camera. Why? Obama drives McCain’s polling numbers up everytime he’s on TV. Why ruin a good thing? :-)

  • navyvet48

    I think the young punks should spend time in the military, it is time to adopt the draft again!

    All the veterans I know have a little “sea story” in them. The ones I have heard in the years since leaving the military are all true and fact based.

    I had a good friend who cut my hair when I was on board my second ship. Great guy, universally loved by all….he had a massive heart attack one night on our mess decks. His name was Tony. Forever there after I absolutely hated going to eat dinner on the mess decks. To honor Tony I remember the special chats we had while he was cutting my hair, some of those chats I remember word for word today!

    Based on some of my own experiences, I knew in my heart McCain was telling the truth during that forum. My husband and I are both old Navy vets……we know a BS story when we see it…McCain’s story was true and real. He made these 2 old Navy vets tear up!….and we don’t tear up easy!

    • roseeriter

      Well, Obama has considered instituting the Draft again. That would be the perfect reward and outlet for all the intimidation tactics the Bots were trained to perform by ACORN.

      The young bots don’t know what real life is like since they live for TV, Celebs and computer games.

  • vee

    McCain’s delivery of his simple honest answers must have rattled Team Obama’s cage very badly as they appear to be in overdrive in an attempt to cause damage to McCain.

    McCain ’08

    • Katmoon

      A little OT, but in keeping with reporters..and how Obama handles this.

      This is a site that has requested Senator McCain and Obama do not campaign on Sept 11, they are a group of victims families from the Sept 11th attacks. Letters to the Candidates on on their website.

      http://www.mygooddeed.org/Media/

      Group asks McCain, Obama not to campaign on 9/11
      Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:12am EDT

      The letters to Obama and McCain invited them to participate in a “ServiceNation Summit” in New York this September 11, saying it would “provide a nonpartisan forum for you to address the events of 9/11 and the importance of national service.”
      MyGoodDeed.org said in a statement Republican presumptive nominee McCain had already said he planned to attend, while his Democratic rival Obama had not yet confirmed his plans.

      /www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1930876020080820

  • Am I paranoid or prescient?

    You don’t understand McCain, and you haven’t figured out the game plan behind him yet.

    They’re getting ready for trouble in Denver because people are busy organizing trouble in Denver. It isn’t the Obama people who are planning it. It isn’t the Clinton people, either. All along, the plan has been to bring down the democratic party.

    Divide and conquer. Part 1 was to bring down Clinton. Part 2 is to bring down Obama. Part 3 is the election of John McCain and a mandate for an increasingly right-wing authoritarian republican chief executive who rules by executive order.

    Bush has already laid the groundwork. Remember all of those executive orders the media made little of and nobody paid much attention to? The public text was scary enough. Half of the content was secret–even from congressional oversight committees. Did you ever read the public text of NSPD-51/HSPD-20?

    The key to putting all that into action is a frightening display of lawless chaos on the streets of Denver, followed by a pledge to restore national order and public safety and security, coming from the republicans during the subsequent republican national convention.

    Mark my words: Democrats have been pitted against each other to make all of that possible. Both Clinton and Obama and all of their supporters are being used as the unwitting instruments.

    • workingclass artist

      The split in the party has been going on a long time and the GOP didn’t need to get involved…just to reap the benefits. The only folks that hate the Centrist Clinton’s more than the right are the extremist left in the Democratic party.

    • DAB

      Wow – that’s quite a conspiracy theory! I don’t think that even the Republicans could have cooked up this spontaneous combustion. Granted its a perfect storm scenario that’s leading to potential disaster for the Dems, but they did it to themselves – Dean, Pelosi, et al.

      When I first heard about their MI/FL reaction, I thought “Oh no, they’re going to blow it”. Combine that foolhardy move with a host of other ridiculous maneuvers and you have the makings of a self-inflicted meltdown.