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Originator of Reconciliation Opposes Its Use For Healthcare

Well, there’s all kinds of talk that Obama is going to push for the Nuclear Option, i.e., Reconciliation, pretty darn soon to pass his unfavorable Obamacare program. Yep, that seems to be the road of Change down which he is trying to take us (I wrote about the whole Reconciliation thing HERE).

I have seen any number of people justify this action, good people, who believe the lines being fed them by Obama and the Democratic leadership about using this option, claiming the Republicans used it before, even equating getting Obamacare passed this way as comparable to how Social Security and Medicare were passed. Those comparisons are simply false:

Leave aside the irony of invoking “the American people” on behalf of a bill that consistently has been 10 to 15 points underwater in every poll since the fall, and is getting more unpopular by the day, particularly among independents. As Maine Republican Olympia Snowe pointed out in a speech last December, Social Security passed when Democrats controlled both Congress and the White House, yet 64% of Senate Republicans and 79% of the House GOP voted for it. More than half of the Senate Republican caucus voted for Medicare in 1965. Historically, major social legislation has always been bipartisan, because it reflects a durable political consensus.

Yet, these false comparisons continue, on a daily basis it seems.

While that is important to make clear, it is not my main point here. My point is about this man: Senator Robert C. Byrd, Democrat, of West Virginia. Specifically, I want to share Senator Byrd’s response to using a budgetary process to force such a massive program on us. Who cares what Senator Byrd says, you query? Well, he is one of the creators of Reconciliation, and oh, does he have something to say about usage of Reconciliation being threatened now (the following is from April 29, 2009):

Statement on FY 2010 Budget Resolution

“I like this budget. I support many of the policies that the President’s budget embraces – including middle-class tax relief, and badly needed investments in our nation’s infrastructure – but I cannot, and I will not, vote to authorize the use of the reconciliation process to expedite passage of health care reform legislation or any other legislative proposal that ought to be debated at length by this body.”

“Using reconciliation to ram through complicated, far-reaching legislation is an abuse of the budget process. ((Emphasis mine) The writers of the Budget Act, and I am one, never intended for its reconciliation’s expedited procedures to be used this way. These procedures were narrowly tailored for deficit reduction. They were never intended to be used to pass tax cuts, or to create new Federal regimes. Additionally, reconciliation measures must comply with Section 313 of the Budget Act, known as the Byrd Rule, which means that whatever health legislation is reported from the Finance Committee or legislation from any other Committee that is shoe-horned into reconciliation will sunset after five years. Additionally, numerous other non-budgetary provisions of any such legislation will have to be omitted under reconciliation. This is a very messy way to achieve a goal like health care reform, and one that will make crafting the legislation more difficult.”

“Whatever abuses of the budget reconciliation process which have occurred in the past, or however many times the process has been twisted to achieve partisan ends does not justify the egregious violation done to the Senate’s Constitutional purpose. The Senate has a unique institutional role.”
(Emphasis mine)

I know, I know – Senator Byrd completely went against the will of the people of his state (along with Senator Jay Rockefeller) when he threw his support to Obama rather than the one, Clinton, his people overwhelmingly chose. But STILL – this is important. What he is saying is important. It paints a picture in bold relief that for the Democrats to pull this kind of maneuver is an “Abuse of Power.” Coming from the longest serving senator, who has been through a lot of Administrations and Congresses, that is saying something. He continues:

“It is the one place in all of government where the rights of the numerical minority are protected. As long as the Senate preserves the right to debate and the right to amend we hold true to our role as the Framers envisioned. We were to be the cooling off place where proposals could be examined carefully and debated extensively, so that flaws might be discovered and changes might be made. Remember, Democrats will not always control this chamber, the House of Representatives or the White House. The worm will turn. Some day the other party will again be in the majority, and we will want minority rights to be shielded from the bear trap of the reconciliation process.”

That reminds me of this quote by Joe Biden on the Reconciliation process: “and I pray God that when the Democrats take back control we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing.” Sorry, Joe – either the Democrats aren’t listening to you, or God isn’t. Guess where my money is.

Back to Byrd’s statement:

“Under reconciliation’s gag rule there are twenty hours of debate or less if time is yielded back, and little or no opportunity to amend. Those restrictions mean that whatever is nailed into reconciliation by the majority will likely emerge as the final product. With critical matters such as a massive revamping of our health care system which will impact the lives of every citizen of our great land, the Senate has a duty to debate and amend and explain in the full light of day, however long that may take, what it is we propose, and why we propose it. The citizens who sent us here deserve that explanation and they should demand it. We must not run roughshod over minority views. A minority can be right. An amendment can vastly improve legislation. Debate can expose serious flaws. Ramrodding and railroading have no place when it comes to such matters as our people’s healthcare. The President came to the White House promising a bipartisan government because he knew how sick and tired the American public is of scorched earth politics. I daresay President Obama should not be in favor of the destruction of the institutional purpose of this Senate in which he served any more than he would bless a rigged psuedo-debate on healthcare, completely absent minority input.” (Again, emphasis mine)

“While I support the admirable budget priorities outlined in this resolution, I cannot and will not condone legislation that puts political expediency ahead of the time-honored purpose of this institution.”

Reconciliation is not the answer, never was. But that Obama and the Democrats are even considering it speaks volumes about the plan, Obama, and the Democrats, especially Nancy Pelosi, who had the audacity to say this:

“They know that this will take courage,” Nancy Pelosi said in an interview over the weekend, speaking of the Members she’ll try to strong-arm. “It took courage to pass Social Security. It took courage to pass Medicare,” the Speaker continued. “But the American people need it, why are we here? We’re not here just to self-perpetuate our service in Congress.”.

One can only hope, and pray, that cooler heads will indeed prevail. One can only hope that the will of the people will ultimately triumph, and that this plan goes back to the drawing board where it belongs. One can only hope that the eyes of people, good, usually reasonable, people, will see this ploy for what it is. A purely political, ego-driven, lobby pandering, 1/6th of our economy government run plan opposed by the majority of Americans.

Perhaps Nancy and Barack should pay more attention to their elder statesman, who actually helped write the damn Reconciliation thing.

It is, in short, an Abuse of Power: ‘An undemocratic disservice to our people and to the Senate’s institutional role.’ Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • Docelder

    1/6 can rapidly become 1/3 once government contractors get involved. But Obama will just counter that with… “who knew”? Representation has  become nothing but a Washington DC based reality show.

  • Touchet

    Get ready for the real depression once they get this thing passed.  BAAM 10% gone from working americans pay checks.  No more buying power.

  • Diana L. C.

    RRRA,

    Thanks for putting this ups there.  I keep saying the change I wanted was for a government that did NOT do some of the things the past Republican governments did.  

    So, yes, despite his turncoat ways in regard to Clinton, I would also like to boldface this passage that you quoted:

    “Whatever abuses of the budget reconciliation process which have occurred in the past, or however many times the process has been twisted to achieve partisan ends does not justify the egregious violation done to the Senate’s Constitutional purpose. The Senate has a unique institutional role.” 

    And here’s an interesting video I received in an email.  I would like to see this point discussed because I am not a Constitutional scholar, though there is one in the White House.  (I need an emoticon for gagging myself with a spoon at this point.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7n2m-X7OIuY

    (Sorry that I am not as technically advanced as those who know how to put them on a different way.)

  • Hokma

    Thomas Jefferson once predicted:
    future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” 
    We all grew up in this country during a time when the central government took over more and more control of our lives whether we realize it or not.
    It began with FDR during a time when people were looking for the government to get them out of an economic catastrophe. The people no longer trusted the freedom the founding fathers provided us and wanted the central government to take care of them. You can look at every program since then during every administration and see the progression of the increasing power of the central government and the increasing reliance of us on it.
    I am hoping that this last move by Obama is the event that begins a progression of removal of government run mandates and entitlement programs.

  • Hokma

    Even if Obama/Reid/Pelosi manage to pass this bill, it is riddled with mandates that will be successfully challenged as unConstitutional. There will be a large group of states that are set to challenge the constitutionality of different aspects of this bill and they will succeed given the keystone kops Obama has in his justice department.

  • Dr. Dr.

    Sorry, Amy.  Robert Byrd endorsed using reconciliation in the Senate to fix the alread-passed Senate healthcare legislation after the House approves it (which is the Dems plan).  He did so yesterday:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/04/byrd-on-reconciliation/

  • PizzaDriver

    there’s some truth to that, because the money is going to come from the bottom (average working people) but it will largely end up at the top (insurance companies’ upper management/ownership), to be shipped off-shore or socked away somewhere.  there may be some marginal benefit in an increase in jobs in the health sector, but that will be more than off-set by a loss of disposable income for far more people.  
    it will basically be a redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top.  i am shocked, shocked i tell you, that our democratic government is proposing such a thing.  not.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    OHMYGOSH, you have got to be kidding me!!!!  After all he wrote abt his very thing??  That does it – I have ZERO respect for him and anyone else who flipflops on this issue.

    Seriously – is it absolutely impossible for ANY of these people to have a BACKBONE???  I am disgusted…

  • buzzlatte

    Let’s see,  here’s the dems scorecard for this week:

    Massa – resigns effective Monday

    Rangel – steps aside amid allegations and strong evidence of wrong-doing

    Patterson – backs away from election bid

    Perry (R) – wins TX primary – could be seen a direct response to Obama WH

    Eric Cantor – thrown under the bus re: terrorist trials in civilian courts

    Bunning (R) filibusters until dems come up with way to pay for extended unemployment benefits.

    OMG – there’s so many I know I’ve left a few out.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I should add, I wrote this yesterday morning – don’t know how I missed that link.  I have steam coming out of my ears now.

    Just like when Byrd supported Obama over Hillary.  Typical politician.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    My pleasure, though now I know Byrd is a total and complete hypocrite (see comments below).  Grrrr.  I need an emoticon for that, too, though I love your idea for one!

    Thanks for the video – wow, very interesting!

  • buzzlatte

    Oh man, how could this one slip by…the GAO found another 1.21T/10 year on the deficit side over the WH projection.

    And how about those pesky students in Jakarta protesting Obama’s pending visit. 

  • oowawa

    Barbaric.  Barbaric!  BARBARIC!  (Hard to get mad at the old duffer.  At least he was on the right side of the dogfighting issue.)

  • buzzlatte

    The point is:  The dems are in a world of trouble and now they want to commit political suicide by using reconciliation.

    This is like watching someone self destruct on meth.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    As I re-read that article, I think the author is making a leap to claim Byrd supports the Democrats’ strategy.  He is VERY specific here: “I believed then, as now, that the Senate should debate the health reform bill under regular rules, which it did,” Byrd wrote. “The entire Senate- or House- passed health care bill could not and would not pass muster under the current reconciliation rules, which were established under my watch.” “Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation.”

    That is not a clear endorsement, and he seems to be talking abt very specific parts of it.  Hmmm.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Nicely done, Buzz!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    My pleasure, Diana!  I love your idea for the emoticon.
     
    Thanks for the video – wow, very interesting!

  • arabella trefoil

    Good summary. I hadn’t heard about Massa. He comes from Elmira, NY, yes? Very Republican up there. He was facing some kind of ethics probe and said he wasn’t go to run for re-election but would finish out his term. I’m surprised he stepped down so abruptly. No Dem will ein that seat.

    Rangel – Go buy an island in the Caymans and retire.

    Patterson – Just for the love of god step down.

    Perry’s win – Very, very bad for the Dems. Plus, he had enough coattails to help an unknown political neophyte come in third.

    Cantor – All the good spots under the buss are taken. You better make yourself small.

    Bunning – Nice work.

    Yeah, and that was just this week. What will the list look like by April Fool’s Day?

    Prediction/wild specutlation: Open mike gaffe by one of Obama’s posse.

  • oowawa

    No–that’s 6–and on the 7th day they rested.

  • Katmoon

    RRRA -Here is an interesting site looking at how states are working in advance, preparing for nullification of the HCR at the state level. I’m scouring for other sites as well.

    http://www.americanvote.info/Nullification_Examples.php

    States’ Rights Bills – List of the bills and their status

  • arabella trefoil

    The Democrats in action:

  • AC

    Is that Cantor or Holder?

  • Katmoon

    This
    s has already been passed in TN:
    SB 3498
    ON FEBRUARY 17, 2010, THE SENATE ADOPTED AMENDMENT #1 AND PASSED SENATE BILL 3498, AS AMENDED.

    AMENDMENT #1 specifies that it will be the public policy of this state for Tennesseans to be able to choose their mode of securing health care services without penalty or threat of penalty by the federal government.
    Still searching to find out if it has been signed by the Governor.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, he was on the right side of that issue.  I remember well an impassionsed speech he made to not go into Iraq. 

    Hard to get over what he did to Hillary and us, and like I said, on my re-reading of the “Think Progess” article, I think the author makes a leap to supprot the conclusion desired, whereas what Byrd seemed to be saying is that some PARTS of it may be handled through reconciliation. 

    Thanks for the reminder, oowawa!  (Too bad the NFL didn’t think it was “barbaric” when they decided to bring Vick back.  Surely some other people knew what he was into while playing football – their silence had a high price…)

  • buzzlatte

    My bad… should be Holder!  Nice catch AC.

    That’s what I get for multi-tasking.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    AT, Massa stepped down almost immediately because of the Ethics probe.  He didn’t want to put his other aides and his family through it, he said. 

    Quite a week it’s been!

  • donjo

    Point of privilege: reconciliation is not the Nuclear Option.  Also, rec. has been used 22 times in the past 16 times by the repubs.  Including Newt’s Contract on America.  Which Clinton vetoed.

  • sowsear

    I’ve heard that March 18 is s-nuke-r day.

  • sowsear

    They don’t seem to care for him, do they?

  • sowsear

    Shall I post those faxfax, phone numbers/addresses for Washington again?

  • Ferd Berfle

    Correct, Donjo–the *real* nuclear option is a Constitutional Convention. And don’t bet the farm that it can’t happen.

  • sowsear

    Shall I post those fax/phone numbers and addresses for DC again. I don’t want to wait until the damn thing passes.

  • Peggy Sue

    Byrd seems to be doing the weasel walk, Amy.  You gotta believe the pressure from the WH et al is enormous.  They want this thing rammed through, have convinced themselves it’s the only way to save themselves and we’re all going to love them in the end. 

    If the bill is crap?  Oh well. 

    I read an article yesterday with a quote attributed to Rham Emanuel, who presumably said: The only principle is success.  The rest is BS.

    Of course, success is not a principle; it’s an outcome.  But I think the comment pretty much sums up what we’re seeing. 

    Astonishing!  

  • carol haka

    That’s funny – I just heard the Mark that is working for Levin on the radio today called Holder Cantor for 5 minutes!

    :*

  • carol haka

    Jakarta wants to see his BC and Passport.

    :*

  • WestVirginia304

    buzzlatte said:
    Oh man, how could this one slip by…the GAO found another 1.21T/10 year on the deficit side over the WH projection.
    Sen Byrd said:
    These procedures were narrowly tailored for deficit reduction… Additionally, reconciliation measures must comply with Section 313 of the Budget Act, known as the Byrd Rule, which means that whatever health legislation is reported from the Finance Committee or legislation from any other Committee that is shoe-horned into reconciliation will sunset after five years.

    The way I read that it means two things.  Byrd’s statements yesterday not considered a guarantee of his vote, he may, after studying the new GAO numbers, not support reconciliation.  If he does – and the bill becomes law – and, since the plan is to tax us now for benefits that don’t start for four or five years, then we will have TAXATION WITHOUT RECUSSITATION because we will have paid four years into a program that will not exist in 2015.  That is unless we have an idiot congress that tries to start the debate all over again. 

    “Whacha wanna do?  I dunno.  Whachyou wanna do?  Don’t start that again!”

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Whew – glad to hear it – I was going to go look Cantor up to see if I had missed something!  :)

    And Buzz – I totally understand!

  • sowsear

    <img src=”http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20100305/i/r2648883869.jpg?x=400&y=319&q=85&sig=_Q4bxi.lp47yHxmqiZx2wg–”/>

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Wow, Katmoon – these are great resources.  I knew that a number of states were very unhappy abt the proposed healthcare bill and what it would mean to them, but who knew there were so many already taking action against it? 

    Where’s jbjd – I have a question – if the Dems force this through using Reconciliation, and many states pass laws to exempt themselves from it, what would be the end result?  Would the Feds still be able to tax the residents of states who have taken that stance?

  • sowsear

    <img src=”http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20100305/i/r2648883869.jpg?x=400&y=319&q=85&sig=_Q4bxi.lp47yHxmqiZx2wg–”/>

  • oowawa

    Sorry  Rev. Amy–Accidentally deleted my comment, which left yours hanging.  Went something like this:

    Barbaric.  Barbaric!  BARBARIC! (At least the old duffer  was on the right side of the dogfighting issue.)

  • AC

     RECUSSITATION??

    Gee wiz West Virginia304 now I have to go to another room and retrieve my dictionary.

  • HARP

    Should be fun to watch.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes and no, donjo, though I get your point.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, WVA – what are people in your fair state saying abt this?  Just curious…

  • WestVirginia304

    You can’t  resuscitate your savings if the tax man takes it all so standing at the back of the room, cursing and ranting may be all we have left to do – Cuss them back.  This is the internet.  We just make up words like Obama makes up facts.

  • sowsear

    Throw some shoes at the ole boy,,

  • oowawa

    A little trailer in TN, even overlooking the ash spill, is starting to sound better and better . . .

  • Retired

    It is time for the itellectually qualified elite politcal cadres–led by the One Leader, Obama, to seize control of government in the name and for the good of the masses.  That this is done via a process called
    “Reconciliation” is an historical irony.

    The rich people of America and Western Europe must transfer their wealth to peoples of color elsewhere in the world through any expropriation method available.  White or black Americans cannot be treated differently, both are the  robber barons of the globe.

    Long live Che! 

  • WestVirginia304

    RRRA.  We are stuck.  If Byrd quits before the end of his term then Gov Joe will appoint himself and he has an ego that makes Obama’s look tame.   We all remember Byrd as the defender of the constitution and the august institution called the Senate.  We have little choice with him but to hope he will come around to the old bird we remember an supported over the years.  He is changing on coal and Mountaintop Removal, so who knows?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Thank you Hokma for your always compelling posts.

  • sowsear

    And because he sees that Muslims love him so much, he’s decided to hold a summit in Washington to build economic ties to Islamic countries.
     http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c429eac8e6bddb6d430d2b4d28386dd9.551&show_article=1

  • HARP

    Before anyone tries to tell you the loon who did the shooting at the pentagon is a member of the tea party…….

    Thirty-six-year-old John Patrick Bedell’s voter registration records in Hollister, CA are available for any journalist before he/she goes off and labels him a “right-wing extremist.”
    Guess which party he registered under in 2005 and was actively registered under as of 2008?
    DEMOCRAT.

    http://michellemalkin.com/

  • sowsear

    Is there a big fence around TN?

  • Docelder

    Tennessee is where I am going. As soon as the Florida house sells. Listed it a couple of weeks ago. Right at 60% of what it would have sold for three years ago. That plain sucks. But not as much as being trapped here if we have a double dip recession/depression would. I need some space for a potential garden and I need to be around people who generally think like me. if that doesn’t happen then all the better. I will just enjoy the lakes and the views.

  • Docelder

    Until that day Ferd. Until that day.

  • AC

    Many people, myself included, feel the Democrats (as a group) lost their sense of reasoning in 2008.

  • oowawa

    Peggy Sue wrote: “I read an article yesterday with a quote attributed to Rahm Emanuel, who presumably said: The only principle is success.  The rest is BS.”

    Wow–Rahm must have studied The Wisdom of Al Davis (owner of the Oakland Raiders), whose famous motto is “Just Win, Baby!”

    Anyone know how the Raiders have been doing for the past 10 years?

  • AC

    Many people, myself included, feel the Democrats (as a group) lost their reasoning senses in 2008.

  • sowsear

    “Whacha wanna do?  I dunno.  Whachyou wanna do?  Don’t start that again!”

    You left out the names, and it’s driving me crazy, What was that movie?

  • sowsear

    Oh, I know The Honeymooners?

  • oowawa

    “a presidential summit on entrepreneurship”

    And Thee One’s experience as an entrepreneur is exactly what?  Wow, that’s sure going to be the hottest ticket in town . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

  • sowsear

    “Whacha wanna do?  I dunno.  Whachyou wanna do?  Don’t start that again!” 
     
    You left out the names, and it’s driving me crazy, Lines from what movie?

  • HARP
  • oowawa

    Doc, I’m sure Ferd & Katmoon will leave a light on for y’all!

  • Breeze

    8 out of 10 stimulus dollars go overseas  
     
     
    Posted By Rob Sanchez  
    On 5 March 2010  
     
    The good news is that the Obama stimulus money targeted for green industries is creating jobs. The bad news is that most of the jobs are in China. Two video reports describe what is happening. There are companion articles to the videos that fill in more details of the story. The video and text articles aren’t the same so to get the complete picture check both of them out.  
    Nearly $2 billion in money from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has been spent on wind power, funding the creation of enough new wind farms to power 2.4 million homes over the past year. But the study found that nearly 80 percent of that money has gone to foreign manufacturers of wind turbines.  
    So Where Are the Jobs?  
     
    “Most of the jobs are going overseas,” said Russ Choma at the Investigative Reporting Workshop. He analyzed which foreign firms had accepted the most stimulus money. “According to our estimates, about 6,000 jobs have been created overseas, and maybe a couple hundred have been created in the U.S.”  
     
     
    New Wind Farms in the U.S. Do Not Bring Jobs  
     
    ABC News Reports, Jonathan Karl, Feb. 9, 2010  
     
     
     
    continued below

  • HARP

    GO TO HELL

  • sowsear

    Rahm is such a high-principled guy. He probably wrote the book on success…but then again, The mills of God grind slow, exceeding slow.

  • sowsear

    All while he’s passing health care, cap n trade, and now citizenship for illegal aliens.   Busy bugger!

  • Breeze

    The story continued when an ABC News affiliate in San Diego did a follow up story with some very clever investigative reporting. Who would have ever thought of actually going to an office of one of the companies that are receiving billions of taxpayer dollars? 
     
    A-Power Energy Generation Systems is one example. The company lists a downtown San Diego office suite as its business and mailing address in filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. However, that office suite is vacant.  

    Foreign Firms Benefitting From U.S. Green Energy Funding, KGTV 10, February 8, 2010  
    video and article on same page  
    These stories were originated by an organization called the “Investigative Reporting Workshop“, which is affiliated with the School of Communication at American University. They have an article on the website that adds more fuel to the fire: “Renewable energy money still going abroad, despite criticism from Congress, by Russ Choma, February 8th, 2010
     
    The Workshop was the first to report last October that more than 80 percent of the first $1 billion in grants to wind energy companies went to foreign firms. Since then, the administration has stopped making announcements of new grants to wind, solar and geothermal companies, but has handed out another $1 billion, bringing the total given out to $2.1 billion and the total that went to companies based overseas to more than 79 percent.  
    In fact, the largest grant made under the program so far, a $178 million payment on Dec. 29, went to Babcock & Brown, a bankrupt Australian company that built a Texas wind farm using turbines made by a Japanese company.  

    Of course the Chinese stuck their hooks into Texas also.  

    The same day the Workshop’s first reported on this story a consortium of American and Chinese companies announced a deal to build a $1.5 billion wind farm in Texas, using imported Chinese turbines. Company officials said they planned to collect $450 million in stimulus grants for the project. The deal would create dozens of jobs in the U.S. and thousands in China. The news provoked outrage among lawmakers, particularly after the Energy Department seemed to take a neutral stance, declining to say whether it would reject such an application.  

    The tragedy with all of this is that most of the money isn’t going to go to home grown crooks — it’s going to fund scams in other countries. Americans will get a few of the leftover crumbs when and if the foreign companies decide to hire workers to install the equipment, but even then there is no guarantee that they will hire Americans — remember the Texas bridge welders from Italy?  
     
    If Obama and Congress insist of throwing billions of dollars around, why aren’t they making sure that the only pigs at the trough are U.S. citizens?  
    Article printed from VDARE.com: Blog Articles: http://blog.vdare.com  
    URL to article: http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/03/05/8-out-of-10-stimulus-dollars-go-overseas/

  • Breeze

    ….and, if that’s not enough, ‘TheOne’ wants an illegal immigrant resolution by 
    May or June, before everyone begins to concentrate on the coming elections. 
     
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-immigration5-2010mar05,0,1123497.story

  • oowawa

    Yep, WV304, can’t resuscitate my savings, so I guess I’ll just sit right here and  recussiitate my vocabulary.  Along with our guns and bibles, them cuss words is about all a poor man has left to cling to.

  • sowsear

    They also want him to sign the pedestal of his statue while he’s visiting. Yeah, that statue, the one they wanted taken down…

  • Docelder

    Yep, we don’t make things here anymore. Wind turbines from China… wind turbines made using oil drilled offshore of the U.S. where U.S. companies can’t be allowed to drill, making products for sale here that U.S. companies can’t produce here. F’ing idiot new democrats.

  • oowawa

    And God said, let there be light; and there was light.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, WVA – I appreciate that.

    I hope the Defender of the Constitution comes around to his old self again, too.  I remember so well his standing in the Senate saying, “My hands may shake, but my heart throbs for the Constitution of the United States.”  He offered to send Bush the Federalist Papers, too. 

    Yes, I would like if that man showed up.  Very much.

    Holy smokes – is it POSSIBLE for someone to have an ego bigger than Obama’s????  Wowie zowie…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I saw that, Harp – isn’t it astounding how quick the MSM was to pain him as the antithesis of who he was??  Pathetic.

  • oowawa

    “8 out of 10 stimulus dollars go overseas”

    I’m really glad that we’re going to spend some dollars to help out with our overseas workforce.  I had a real problem getting my Comcast billing problem resolved.  Took three months.  A little English training for their customer service representatives will help a great deal . . .

  • Docelder

    Looking at Cookeville here. First pick. University town, small enough to be safe, big enough to have everything.

  • sowsear

    Oh yes, we’d like to save his presidency. Can we pickle it?

  • sowsear

    Wants someone to vote for him.

  • Docelder

    Probably apologizing to somebody overseas because we still have more than they do.

  • Docelder

    Might as wel let ACORN handle the paperwork. It would make it so much more convenient.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    LOL.  And Harp, are you TRYING to make me lose my dinner???

  • buzzlatte

    Thanks :)

  • buzzlatte

    Kind of like how the media painted Obama as competent and wise when we all knew that was some kind of BS.

  • NYSmike

    Here’s a thought from John W. Smart…if Congress passes the Senate Bill (which has already passes the Senate) then what is to stop Obama from just signing the bill (avoiding reconciliation)?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks for this.  I think.  Good grief.  I had seen something abt this, but appreciate the article.

    Can anyone tell me why Obama still gets the support of so many people when our money is going to things like this, or the additional 1T+ BuzzLatte mentioned above, or the HCB as it stands?  I don’t get it.  Yet, people are still making excuses for him, just like the 24% (somewhere around there) did for Bush.  Go figure.

  • Katmoon

    Since there are 38 states doing this it is quite a lead into a possible Const. convention. Each state involved is also finished or in the processing of making sure there gun laws are in order and keeping their
    State Sovereignty & States’ Rights. As far as taxes they can try… we will see.

  • Katmoon

    Or an old Victorian about 10 miles upstream. ;)

  • Katmoon

    Are you going to back into practice Docelder? Or teach? 

  • Doc99

    The UK NHS has morphed into the world’s third largest employer, behind only the Chinese Red Army and the Indian Railway. Can you imagine such a large number of future SEIU members?

  • Katmoon

    Cookeville is at the top of the Cumberland Gap, very nice town, gets some snow, about an hour and a half either way to nashvile, Knoxville or Chattanoga. If you teach you can travel to any of those places to UT(which is hiring) or you can teach at a community college, Roane State in Crossville, about 20 m minutes away. If you are going back into practice, we can use you there too. Come on, I’ll make you a mess of navy beans and cornbread, and sweet tater pie. :-D

  • Doc99

    It won’t be ACORN. But it will be SEIU.

  • arabella trefoil

    RRR Amy – I hadn’t been following the Massa situation that closely. It is much more messy than I thought. No wonder he wants out. I’m so sorry for his family. The irony is that he ever got elected at all. This is a Republican stronghold. To my (limited) knowledge, I don’t think the local Democratic party has anybody in the wings who can run for his seat.

  • Katmoon

    No fence :-D  Seriously, everyone had fenced yards in California amnd Washington, here few and far between, hard to share the moonshine when you have to climb those darned fences.

  • arabella trefoil

    Obama is such an idiot, he’ll probably sign the statue.

  • Doc99

    Nothing … Actually, that’s the plan all along. Obamacare simply put merely replaces one group of pickpockets with another – this one with the force of law and the muscle of the IRS. Be afraid. Be very afraid. 

  • arabella trefoil

    Muslims are a bit ticked off to hear that Obama drinks alcohol.

  • Ferd Berfle

    A Conventiion could be troublesome in many ways but That One and his obamacrats are far more worrisome. 4 states to go (32 have already enacted legislation calling for a convention on federal spending). Since a Convention is not necessarily limited in its scope, the Federal government should be worried–very worried. And if the boneheads in DC try to limit the scope, the 38 that are contemplating a priori action against O-hole care could call for another.

  • Ferd Berfle

    No fence–Volunteers need no fences because we have the ridges that provide a lot of difficult barriers.

  • Katmoon

    Some more new vocabulary for you Oowawa: 8-)

    The Washington Post has also published the winning 
    submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are 
    asked to supply alternate meanings for common words.
    And the winners are:
    1. Coffee , n. The person upon whom one coughs.
    2. Flabbergasted , adj. Appalled by discovering how 
    much weight one has gained.
    3. Abdicate , v. To give up all hope of ever having a 
    flat stomach.
    4 esplanade , v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.
    5. Willy-nilly , adj. Impotent.
    6. Negligent , adj. Absentmindedly answering the door 
    when wearing only a nightgown.
    7. Lymph , v. To walk with a lisp.
    8. Gargoyle , n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.
    9. Flatulence , n. Emergency vehicle that picks up 
    someone who has been run over by a steamroller.
    10. Balderdash , n. A rapidly receding hairline..
    11. Testicle , n. A humorous question on an exam.
    12. Rectitude , n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted 
    by proctologists.
    13. Pokemon , n.. A Rastafarian proctologist.
    14. Oyster , n. A person who sprinkles his conversation 
    with Yiddishisms.
    15. Frisbeetarianism , n. The belief that, after death, 
    the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
    16. Circumvent , n. An opening in the front of boxer 
    shorts worn by Jewish men.

  • Ferd Berfle

    “Muslims are a bit ticked off to hear that Obama drinks alcohol.”

    But the Kool-Aide is OK, I suppose.

  • Hokma

    Doc99 – That is what Obama is seeking. He truly believes that government is the solution to all problems including jobs. Because of his lack of experience he cannot imagine another solution.

  • AC

    No damn wonder I’ve not been stimulated in awhile–I’m in the wrong hemisphere.

  • jbjd

    R3A, yes, this is exactly what I saw when I read Senator Byrd’s parsed remarks.  By the time I returned here, you had made this point.  I concur.  (Someone apparently worked very hard to parse the exact words acceptable to shove in the mouth of the Senator.)

  • oowawa

    Those are hilarious, Katmoon.  Thanks for the laughs!

  • AC

    Well, if anyone is going to blow smoke up my ass, may as well be a Pokemon-maybe we’ll both get off.

  • Diana L. C.

    Retired is, I am pretty sure, writing satire.  He’s being facetious.  

  • Katmoon

    Here are the made up words Oowawa, happy to have you laughing! =-X Here are the winners:

    1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which 
    renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite 
    period of time. 
    2. Ignoranus : A person who’s both stupid and an asshole.
    3. Intaxication : Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which 
    lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
    4. Reintarnation : Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
    5. Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people 
    that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, 
    unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the 
    near future.
    6.Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the 
    purpose of getting laid.
    7. Giraffiti : Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.
    8. Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit 
    and the person who doesn’t get it.
    9. Inoculatte : To take coffee intravenously when you are 
    running late.
    10. Osteopornosis : A degenerate disease. (This one got 
    extra credit.)
    11. Karmageddon : It’s like, when everybody is sending off 
    all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth 
    explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.
    12. Decafalon (n.): The gruelling event of getting through 
    the day consuming only things that are good for you.
    13. Glibido : All talk and no action.
    14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem 
    smarter when they come at you rapidly.
    15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just 
    after you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.
    16. Beelzebug (n.) : Satan in the form of a mosquito, that 
    gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot 
    be cast out.
    17. Caterpallor ( n.): The color you turn after finding half a 
    worm in the fruit you’re eating.

  • jbjd

    R3A, you ask me to predict what will happen to those states that have enacted laws exempting them from the current ‘I-have-mine-now-go-get-yours-and-make-my-friends-who-put-me-here-richer-so-they-will-rebate-more-of-your-money-to-me’ health insurance law, if it should pass.  Not much.  State A’sG have already prepared the legal briefs which will be rushed into federal district court, arguing 1) the new law is unConstitutional; and 2) the process used to pass the law is unConstitutional, accompanied by a Motion for a TRO postponing the implementation of the law in question, until the SCOTUS can decide.   Undoubtedly, the court will grant such request.

  • Katmoon

    I love #4.

  • jbjd

    Katmoon, you have no idea how much I needed that tonight.  Thank you.  (I laughed out loud and could not pick out even 2 or 3 favorites, I liked so many!)

  • elaine

    I doubt retired was writing satire as compared to summation

  • Docelder

    Thanks, sounds like home already. I have the house for sale. Broker open house next week, Fingers crossed. Our 7th grade son loves the idea, our 9th grade son isn’t so sure. Our 22 year old is in nursing school here, but said she will come up when it’s done. But the wife’s parents keep a houseboat and they spend the summer on Lake Cumberland and we used to go up in the summers. My kids really liked the lake. We all liked Tennessee. If we go to Cookeville the inlaws are moving the house boat to Dale Hollow to be closer. It will be all good. I plan on getting a practice license renewed back, plus start another business idea marketed on the Internet. I am ready to go. I miss seeing the stars at night and watching fireflies in the summer. :)

  • Ferd Berfle

    But what happens if the States insist upon a Convention to put this matter to rest once and for all? I’ve read enough to understand that there are few iron-clad rules regarding such a conventiion except that 3/4 of the states must sign on. This has been used in this century to goad Congress into action (the Amendment allowing direect vote for Senators, to name one). The threat must absolutely scare the willies out of the cretins in DC.

  • Katmoon

    Good luck to you on the sale of your house. Looking forward to calling you “Neighbor”. I understand about the fireflies and watching the stars at night. We are just down the hill in Harriman, and it is like Mayberry to me. I love it. I sometimes miss my days living in the Bay area, but wouldn’t trade this peace for anything in the world. Peace of mind is so rare. It will all be good. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    Oops–that should read the “last” century.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I wanna play, I wanna play!

    Meteorologist (n.): An overweight kidney doctor.
    Pasteurize (v.): The movement of an object through one’s field of vision.
    Intransigent (n.): A gentleman on the move.

    I would normally have more, but Katmoon caught me sleeping on this one.

  • oowawa

    Exactly, jbjd.  What great lists!  I guess my faves deal with taboo body parts and bodily functions, since my sense of humor stopped developing in early adolescence.  “Willy Nilly”–impotence–is very evocative and reminds me of something I heard of, once in a lullaby . . .

  • Katmoon

    jbjd, good! I am so glad to hear it. I have been saving it, we needed a laugh I think! It is always much more difficult to get hooks into tose of us giggling, laughing and wriggling around. Also you can get alot of mileage out of these.   :)

  • Ferd Berfle

    Facsimilator (n): The flunky who gets to pick up all the faxes that fell to the floor overnight. See also facsimilation.

  • Katmoon

    Intransigent (n.): A gentleman on the move. 

    Rofl! Excellent. this site, all of us, totally dig these word games.

    “Pasteurize (v.): The movement of an object through one’s field of vision.”..ok that is just plain perfect! Thank-you!  I am adding these!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Proctorologist: The one watching over the physician performing your ten-year colonoscopy.

  • Katmoon

    Rofl Oowawa, I can releate. Or could it be Wooly Bully (n.).. A mean child on the playground with excessive hair growth.

  • Katmoon

    Realeate (mistake) to realize one has made a typo and must reiterate the correct spelling.

  • Onofre’s arm

    You’re all wrong. Those dollars are being sent to Japan to be folded into vibrators using the ancient art of paper folding, “Origami”, (translated it means orgasm) and then they’ll be returned to stimulate all of us. 100 dollar bills will come with a small and tingling electrical charge in honor of Benjamin Franklin, 50′s will be soaked in booze, 20′s will all be sent to New Orleans, the 5′s will go to the Log Cabin Republicans, and the rest of us will get the 1′s.

  • Onofre’s arm

    You’re all wrong. Those dollars are being sent to Japan to be folded into vibrators using the ancient art of paper folding, “Origami”, (translated it means orgasm) and then they’ll be returned to stimulate all of us. 100 dollar bills will come with a small, but pleasantly tingling electrical charge in honor of Benjamin Franklin, 50′s will be soaked in booze, 20′s will all be sent to New Orleans, the 5′s will go to the Log Cabin Republicans, and the rest of us will get the 1′s.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Rectum (v): What happens when Cletus tries to repair the kitchen faucets. Usage: I was tryin’ ta fix these here pipes here but I rectum.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Adultery (n.): Al Gore in one of his more animated moments.

  • Katmoon

    All I got was a damned rock!

  • sowsear

    Seriously, he is going to sign it.

  • sowsear

    Oh, I forgot he’s an undercover agent..whatever it’s called. Doesn’t he get to do anything that’s needed as long as he’s working for his faith?

  • sowsear

    Is that all?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Who Farted (adj.): A devoted farrier’s sentiment. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    So…….throw it through your neighbor’s window to stimulate the glazing industry.

  • sowsear

    I thought Soros helped the Dems to get their AGs into office. Not all AGs are going to go against BO’s wishes

  • jbjd

    Katmoon, you said, Oa’s definition of “pasteurize” (the movement of an object through one’s field of vision) is “plain” perfect.  HA HA HA HA HA….

  • WestVirginia304

    Jungle Book.  The Vultures. Buzzie, Flaps, Dizzie and Ziggie (the Beatles)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Here Diana does this help!  ;)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Here Diana

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Good luck Doc hope it all goes well.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    So funny Katmoon needed here tonight too! Can always trust the regulars at NQ to make for a laugh. Keep the doors open Larry!

  • AC

    Whoa Nellie–save my shoe

  • ~~JustMe~~

    So funny Katmoon needed here tonight too! Can always trust the regulars at NQ  for a laugh. Keep the doors open Larry!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Sis-Boom-Bah (n.): The sound a sheep makes when it explodes.

    Avalanche (n.): A drink made with Vodka and prune juice.

  • sowsear

    Are you and Kat native Tenneneeseeseseans?(I couldn’t stop)

  • sowsear

    #2 (how appropriate)-I recognize him…

  • sowsear

    “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
    minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
    holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
    by the clean end”

  • sowsear

    Do you own a glass factory, per chance?
    Are you in China or Brazil? We might have some work for you.

  • sowsear

    Cut out the middleman. They will take the votes right to their car trunks-in case they need them.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The media have truly lost their marbles. Thank goodness for sites such as this!

  • sowsear

    Thanks WVA. Yes, I did see/hear that with the grandkids .
    Originally, I think it was in a movie called Marty. I remembered it when I got into bed. Marty and his buddy go through the routine trying to decide what they are going to do because they have no girlfriends and can’t seem to find any wherever they go.

  • sowsear

    Marty starred Ernest Borginine, won an Oscar in 1955.

  • sowsear
  • Onofre’s arm

    Pilgrimage (adj.): The expression on one’s face after swallowing a bitter pill.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Scarab (n.): A frightening Arab.

  • Onofre’s arm

    HEBREW, n. A male Jew, as distinguished from the Shebrew, an altogether superior creation.—–Ambrose Bierce—–

  • Onofre’s arm

    Finance (n.): Very, very small ants.

    Syllogism (n.): The physical remains of a poorly aimed attempt at ejaculating out a window.

    (gosh, do you think they would use that last one in “The Washington Post”?)

    I’ll stop if you ask me nicely. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    Suppository (n.): A hypothetical premise presented for debate.

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