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		<title>By: CD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/42773/request-for-why-do-they-hate-us/#comment-1316085</link>
		<dc:creator>CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Amy,

My spouse published a column today that segues nicely from your tribute to International Women&#039;s Day (on your blog):

Celebrating women as innovators and pioneers
http://bit.ly/bTxnrz

Thanks! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Amy,</p>
<p>My spouse published a column today that segues nicely from your tribute to International Women&#8217;s Day (on your blog):</p>
<p>Celebrating women as innovators and pioneers<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/bTxnrz" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bTxnrz</a></p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieCarmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnieCarmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FF is a bot as is the crazy bird. </description>
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		<title>By: AnnieCarmel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/42773/request-for-why-do-they-hate-us/#comment-1315799</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnieCarmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost the tape along the way.&#160; Thanks!&#160; It never loses it&#039;s laughs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lost the tape along the way.&nbsp; Thanks!&nbsp; It never loses it&#8217;s laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even before the burning, the &#039;verdict&#039; was in:&#160; you can&#039;t tell people they are good enough to go to Vietnam to fight and die for their country but not to work where they want, or live where they want, if and when they come home.&#160; (And recall, prohibition against discrimination on account of &quot;sex&quot; was an afterthought, introduced into the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by southern whites in an unsuccessful attempt to thwart the bill&#039;s passage.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even before the burning, the &#8216;verdict&#8217; was in:&nbsp; you can&#8217;t tell people they are good enough to go to Vietnam to fight and die for their country but not to work where they want, or live where they want, if and when they come home.&nbsp; (And recall, prohibition against discrimination on account of &#8220;sex&#8221; was an afterthought, introduced into the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by southern whites in an unsuccessful attempt to thwart the bill&#8217;s passage.)</p>
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		<title>By: helenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>helenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.newser.com/story/82604/female-baseball-researcher-finally-gets-her-due.html

See what happens when women stand together and speak out.


WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE </description>
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<p>See what happens when women stand together and speak out.</p>
<p>WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS</p>
<p>PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE</p>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking more of the relationship in the home - woman to woman.&#160; I guess if we&#039;re talking about a lesbian couple who are playing masculine/feminine roles like straight people have traditionally played, then I can see sexism existing inside the home - but I think this was more common in days past.&#160; If they&#039;re just &quot;regular&quot; lesbians, then I think they can have a home free of sexist attitudes.

I think you&#039;re making the valid point that if two lesbians have internalized the societal attitude that you&#039;re inferior if you&#039;re a woman, or that there is something wrong with you if you&#039;re gay, then those beliefs have permeated the home.&#160; But I was thinking of the opportunity existing for equality between the two partners&#160; :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking more of the relationship in the home &#8211; woman to woman.&nbsp; I guess if we&#8217;re talking about a lesbian couple who are playing masculine/feminine roles like straight people have traditionally played, then I can see sexism existing inside the home &#8211; but I think this was more common in days past.&nbsp; If they&#8217;re just &#8220;regular&#8221; lesbians, then I think they can have a home free of sexist attitudes.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re making the valid point that if two lesbians have internalized the societal attitude that you&#8217;re inferior if you&#8217;re a woman, or that there is something wrong with you if you&#8217;re gay, then those beliefs have permeated the home.&nbsp; But I was thinking of the opportunity existing for equality between the two partners&nbsp; <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about how some women are tough bosses, even to other women (and because of the double standard, as mentioned, they are judged more harshly than men with the same behavior).&#160; Certainly they may have had to learn how to throw a few elbows, or they would have never have gotten as far as they did in the existing managerial climate.

But I&#039;m wondering if they were never feminists to begin with.&#160; They may even be that kind of woman who doesn&#039;t like women much, see the human qualities&#160;that we allow women to&#160;exhibit as &quot;weak&quot;.&#160; When I compare this type of woman to Hillary, there is a huge difference.&#160; Certainly Hillary has risen higher than most of us ever will, and yet she is always working for &quot;the underdog&quot; - women, children, minorities.&#160;

So I agree that women need to stop undermining each other, but I would add, that perhaps more women need to have a feminist consciousness for that to happen.&#160; If the women choosing (or allowed) to &quot;move up&quot; have internalized the cultural superiority of &quot;competition with no compassion&quot; that successful men often subscribe to, there won&#039;t be much change - women will keep undermining other women as well as any men who get in their way or report to them.&#160;

We need to raise more women like Hillary, who are able to throw some elbows without losing their feminist consciousness.&#160; But if they don&#039;t start with&#160;that feminist consciousness (and personally, I hold the 3rd wave largely accountable for dropping the ball!), I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a lot of chance female bosses will suddenly &quot;change&quot;..... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about how some women are tough bosses, even to other women (and because of the double standard, as mentioned, they are judged more harshly than men with the same behavior).&nbsp; Certainly they may have had to learn how to throw a few elbows, or they would have never have gotten as far as they did in the existing managerial climate.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m wondering if they were never feminists to begin with.&nbsp; They may even be that kind of woman who doesn&#8217;t like women much, see the human qualities&nbsp;that we allow women to&nbsp;exhibit as &#8220;weak&#8221;.&nbsp; When I compare this type of woman to Hillary, there is a huge difference.&nbsp; Certainly Hillary has risen higher than most of us ever will, and yet she is always working for &#8220;the underdog&#8221; &#8211; women, children, minorities.&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I agree that women need to stop undermining each other, but I would add, that perhaps more women need to have a feminist consciousness for that to happen.&nbsp; If the women choosing (or allowed) to &#8220;move up&#8221; have internalized the cultural superiority of &#8220;competition with no compassion&#8221; that successful men often subscribe to, there won&#8217;t be much change &#8211; women will keep undermining other women as well as any men who get in their way or report to them.&nbsp;</p>
<p>We need to raise more women like Hillary, who are able to throw some elbows without losing their feminist consciousness.&nbsp; But if they don&#8217;t start with&nbsp;that feminist consciousness (and personally, I hold the 3rd wave largely accountable for dropping the ball!), I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a lot of chance female bosses will suddenly &#8220;change&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good analogy in your last paragraph, lorac.&#160; Works for me. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good analogy in your last paragraph, lorac.&nbsp; Works for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear, Annie- we blew it - We need the ERA to be passed - we had a chance in the 60&#039;s and let it slip by. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear, Annie- we blew it &#8211; We need the ERA to be passed &#8211; we had a chance in the 60&#8242;s and let it slip by.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more we are segregated &quot;admin union&quot; the less likely we are of strengthening our positions - the fact that we keep breaking into &quot;black women&quot; &quot;Asian women&quot; &quot;Hispanic women&quot; is one of the main reasons we can&#039;t get any traction. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more we are segregated &#8220;admin union&#8221; the less likely we are of strengthening our positions &#8211; the fact that we keep breaking into &#8220;black women&#8221; &#8220;Asian women&#8221; &#8220;Hispanic women&#8221; is one of the main reasons we can&#8217;t get any traction.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>candymarl-----yet another reason to admire and respect Hillary Clinton. Thank you for posting that story....What an incredible experience, and one that I wish more people knew! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>candymarl&#8212;&#8211;yet another reason to admire and respect Hillary Clinton. Thank you for posting that story&#8230;.What an incredible experience, and one that I wish more people knew!</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev. Amy...Wow! That is fabulous! I&#039;ve never seen that one. Used to watch Mo all the time...she&#039;s one of my faves, and Kathy, too.
Thanks for posting it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev. Amy&#8230;Wow! That is fabulous! I&#8217;ve never seen that one. Used to watch Mo all the time&#8230;she&#8217;s one of my faves, and Kathy, too.<br />
Thanks for posting it.</p>
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		<title>By: candymarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>candymarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny while I see your point I have to relate my own experience as a veteran (who happens to be female :) ).&#160; When Hillary was First Lady I contacted the WH for help. Initially I contacted the president&#039;s office. His office actually wrote me back and suggested I contact Hillary.

I contacted Hillary&#039;s office while thinking &quot;yeah, right like I&#039;ll ever hear from anybody&quot;.&#160; Although the First Lady&#039;s office sent me a letter with a point of contact I was still skeptical.

A few days later I was called into the office at the VA hospital where I was an inpatient. They were in an uproar. It seems they&#039;d received &lt;b&gt;a call from the WH on my behalf from Hillary&#039;s office.&lt;/b&gt; I was stunned.

Maybe, just maybe, Hillary took the job because she put aside her ego, and was willing to take the criticism she knew she&#039;d receive from her supporters,&#160; to try to help people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny while I see your point I have to relate my own experience as a veteran (who happens to be female <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).&nbsp; When Hillary was First Lady I contacted the WH for help. Initially I contacted the president&#8217;s office. His office actually wrote me back and suggested I contact Hillary.</p>
<p>I contacted Hillary&#8217;s office while thinking &#8220;yeah, right like I&#8217;ll ever hear from anybody&#8221;.&nbsp; Although the First Lady&#8217;s office sent me a letter with a point of contact I was still skeptical.</p>
<p>A few days later I was called into the office at the VA hospital where I was an inpatient. They were in an uproar. It seems they&#8217;d received <b>a call from the WH on my behalf from Hillary&#8217;s office.</b> I was stunned.</p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, Hillary took the job because she put aside her ego, and was willing to take the criticism she knew she&#8217;d receive from her supporters,&nbsp; to try to help people.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW - that is mighty blatant.&#160; I hope that woman sued that company, but even that takes SO much to do, many women just don&#039;t bother (because it is so hard to win).&#160; Holy smokes.

There have been studies done on the different management styles of women v. men.&#160; I tguess some women learned is that they have to be mean to be seen as effective bosses.&#160; And that is because women are typically more collaborative than men are, who TELL people what to do.&#160; Women, meanwhile, say things like, &quot;If you wouldn&#039;t mind, when you have time, could you possibly do x, y, z.&quot;&#160; ANd then are appreciative of the efforts.&#160; But that is seen as WEAK, and as being less powerful.

We all have heard abt how women have been treated when they AREN&#039;T collaborative like that - they get all kinds of labels, none of them good, whereas the men who act like that - telling people what to do, are seen as effective leaders.&#160; It&#039;s a double standard that continues... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW &#8211; that is mighty blatant.&nbsp; I hope that woman sued that company, but even that takes SO much to do, many women just don&#8217;t bother (because it is so hard to win).&nbsp; Holy smokes.</p>
<p>There have been studies done on the different management styles of women v. men.&nbsp; I tguess some women learned is that they have to be mean to be seen as effective bosses.&nbsp; And that is because women are typically more collaborative than men are, who TELL people what to do.&nbsp; Women, meanwhile, say things like, &#8220;If you wouldn&#8217;t mind, when you have time, could you possibly do x, y, z.&#8221;&nbsp; ANd then are appreciative of the efforts.&nbsp; But that is seen as WEAK, and as being less powerful.</p>
<p>We all have heard abt how women have been treated when they AREN&#8217;T collaborative like that &#8211; they get all kinds of labels, none of them good, whereas the men who act like that &#8211; telling people what to do, are seen as effective leaders.&nbsp; It&#8217;s a double standard that continues&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz-- I loved reading about your grandmother.
........and your mother....what a wise woman! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz&#8211; I loved reading about your grandmother.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;..and your mother&#8230;.what a wise woman!</p>
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