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Tone Deaf Obama: “The Show Must Go On!”

Or so it seems since Obama, despite all of the Town Halls, all of the polls (here’s one), the Tea Party protests, all of it, is going on with his huge push for his Healthcare bill, and it is most definitely his.

Even in the face of mounting opposition within his own party, and even among some liberals like Dr. Marcia Angell (who, by the way, is being demonized by some progressives as being “anti-woman” for opposing this bill. That is some logical leap, as in, it has lept away from being logical). Dr. Angell highlights that this bill as written is a gift to the pharmaceutical companies (Obama made his deal with them before any bill was ever even written) and the INSURANCE companies, the same ones Obama demonizes in his speeches. Yet, on Obama goes, as this article by Charles Krauthammer brings home, Onward with Obamacare, Regardless:

So the yearlong production, set to close after Massachusetts’s devastatingly negative Jan. 19 review, saw the curtain raised one last time. Obamacare lives.

After 34 speeches (as of 3/4/10), three sharp electoral rebukes (Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts) and a seven-hour seminar, the president announced Wednesday his determination to make one last push to pass his health-care reform.

The final act was carefully choreographed. The rollout began a week earlier with a couple of shows of bipartisanship: a Feb. 25 Blair House “summit” with Republicans, followed five days later with a few concessions tossed the Republicans’ way.

Show is the operative noun. Among the few Republican suggestions President Obama pretended to incorporate was tort reform. What did he suggest to address the plague of defensive medicine that a Massachusetts Medical Society study showed leads to about 25 percent of doctor referrals, tests and procedures being done for no medical reason? A few ridiculously insignificant demonstration projects amounting to one-half of one-hundredth of 1 percent of the cost of his health-care bill.

As for the Blair House seminar, its theatrical quality was obvious even before it began. The Democrats had already decided to go for a purely partisan bill. Obama signaled precisely that intent at the end of the summit show — then dramatically spelled it out just six days later in his 35th health-care speech: He is going for the party-line vote.

Unfortunately for Democrats, that seven-hour televised exercise had the unintended consequence of showing the Republicans to be not only highly informed on the subject, but also, as even Obama was forced to admit, possessed of principled objections — contradicting the ubiquitous Democratic/media meme that Republican opposition was nothing but nihilistic partisanship.

No kidding about the Blair House seminar. We suspected that was the case before it happened, and its hours long drama did nothing to dispel that initial suspicion. Not that that stopped Obama, then or now, despite the outcome. A big ol’ oopsie daisy” for the Democrats on that one:

Republicans did so well, in fact, that in his summation, Obama was reduced to suggesting that his health-care reform was indeed popular because when you ask people about individual items (for example, eliminating exclusions for preexisting conditions or capping individual out-of-pocket payments), they are in favor.

Yet mystifyingly they oppose the whole package. How can that be?

Allow me to demystify. Imagine a bill granting every American a free federally delivered ice cream every Sunday morning. Provision 2: steak on Monday, also home delivered. Provision 3: a dozen red roses every Tuesday. You get the idea. Would each individual provision be popular in the polls? Of course.

However (life is a vale of howevers) suppose these provisions were bundled into a bill that also spelled out how the goodies are to be paid for and managed — say, half a trillion dollars in new taxes, half a trillion in Medicare cuts (cuts not to keep Medicare solvent but to pay for the ice cream, steak and flowers), 118 new boards and commissions to administer the bounty-giving, and government regulation dictating, for example, how your steak is to be cooked. How do you think this would poll?

Perhaps something like 3 to 1 against, which is what the latest CNN poll shows is the citizenry’s feeling about the current Democratic health-care bills.

Uh, yeah – I don’t know how many more ways Americans can say we do not want this bill as written, yet Obama and the Democrats continue their push regardless of the sentiment, and the concerns, like cost:

Late last year, Democrats were marveling at how close they were to historic health-care reform, noting how much agreement had been achieved among so many factions. The only remaining detail was how to pay for it.

Well, yes. That has generally been the problem with democratic governance: cost. The disagreeable absence of a free lunch.

Which is what drove even strong Obama supporter Warren Buffett to go public with his judgment that the current Senate bill, while better than nothing, is a failure because the country desperately needs to bend the cost curve down, and the bill doesn’t do it. Buffett’s advice would be to start over and get it right with a bill that says “we’re just going to focus on costs and we’re not going to dream up 2,000 pages of other things.” (Disclosure: Buffett is a director of The Washington Post Co.)

Obama has chosen differently, however. The time for debate is over, declared the nation’s seminar leader in chief. The man who vowed to undo Washington’s devious and wicked ways has directed the Congress to ram Obamacare through, by one vote if necessary, under the parliamentary device of “budget reconciliation.” The man who ran as a post-partisan is determined to remake a sixth of the U.S. economy despite the absence of support from a single Republican in either house, the first time anything of this size and scope has been enacted by pure party-line vote.

Surprised? You can only be disillusioned if you were once illusioned.
letters@charleskrauthammer.com

Well, true that. Those of us who were watching with eyes wide open, and not high on Hopium or drunk on Kool Aide, were never “illusioned.” As Obama’s tenure continues, we marvel that so many are STILL “illusioned.” Kinda makes you wonder just what the hell it takes to finally get through the closed minds of his supporters. Buying GM didn’t do it; taking over banks didn’t do it; giving away the store to the unions didn’t do it; his lack of experience and leadership didn’t do it; and now this healthcare debacle isn’t doing it. What in the hell does it TAKE to get through to them?

To be honest, I don’t think I want to know. How about you?

  • sowsear

    And Nancy is out there telling her “guys” they have to vote for the bill whether they or their constituents want it, and then we have to have to accept the bill’s being passed so we can see what’s in it….
    Who is running this asylum?

  • sowsear

    Here she is,,,

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Excellent question, sowsear – who is running this show??

  • bayareavoter

    Ya’ know, I spent 8 yrs of BushJr. not being heard and can’t believe we’re going through the same thing with Zero. They just refuse to admit it’s a bad bill because Zero wants to show the Clintons how it’s done.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Spot on, bayarea – you are so right!

  • AC

    Sowsear, think it’s the inmates.

  • AC

    sowsear, think it’s the inmates-oops, meant residents.

  • Breeze

    TOTALLY INSANE DEPT:

    Pelosi on health care:
    ‘We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it…’

    By: David Freddoso
    Online Opinion Editor
    WASHINGTON EXAMINER
    03/09/10 4:28 PM EST

    Nancy in Wonderland:
    First pass the bill, then find out what’s in it.

    This comes from Speaker Pelosi’s speech today before the Legislative Conference for National Association of Counties.

    “You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

    “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”
    ——————————————–

    Americans are precisely worried they will find out, the hard way, “what is in it,” after it’s been passed. Whence “the controversy.”

    (h/t Free Republic)

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Pelosi-We-have-to-pass-the-bill-so-you-can-find-out-whats-in-it-87151897.html#ixzz0hjE8AfAs

  • SHV

    Marcia Angell and other Physcians for National Health Care Policy have “crunched” the number for delivey of health care and the answer is a single payer system.  The bottom line is that the American people and the American economy can’t afford to divert !/3 of health care dollars away from heath care and to the insurance industry.

    Dr. Angell was the first woman editor of the New England Journal of Medicine and a tough “cookie”.  She got all kinds of hate from lawyers and “interest groups” for calling Bull Sh*t on the silicone breast implant scam.

  • Breeze

    The Stimulus Bill’s Hidden Attack on What We Eat, Drink, and Smoke

    by Phil Kerpen
    Breitbart.com
    March 8, 2010

    One of the more extreme proposals floated early in the national health care debate was the idea of taxing soda and other sugary beverages. That trial balloon was almost immediately shot down by the American public, but the Obama administration is attempting to achieve, by subterfuge, soda taxes and a lot of other ways to micromanage our lives in the name of public health—whether or not ObamaCare passes. The mechanism is buried in last year’s $862-billion-and-counting stimulus bill, and works by diverting hundreds of millions of dollars that should be promoting economic growth to instead pay lobbyists to push for higher taxes and nanny-state controls over our lives.

    It’s on pages 66 and 67 on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, which created a $1 billion “Prevention and Wellness Fund.” Of that, $650 million went to Kathleen Sebelius’s Department of Health and Human Services and has been used to start a new program at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) called “Communities Putting Prevention to Work” (CPPW).

    Where does that giant pot of grant funding under the CPPW go? What it calls “MAPPS Interventions for Communities Putting Prevention to Work.” MAPPS stands for “Media, Access, Point of decision information, Price, and Social support/services.” In other words, strategies for changing our behavior, for social engineering on a large-scale, and, it seems, circumventing the normal democratic process. In a 14-page guidance for grant applicants, the CDC details tactics that grant applicants should include in their plans. It includes “counter-advertising” against targeted products, complete tobacco usage bans, limiting “unhealthy food availability” (the really bad stuff like “whole milk, sugar sweetened beverages, high-fat snacks”), and of course taxes (or in CDC lingo: “changing relative prices of healthy vs. unhealthy items”).

    A supplemental document explains in more detail what the targets are, including restricting availability of soft drinks “in homes, schools, work sites, and communities.”

    It also recommends local zoning changes to put fast food restaurants out of business, trans-fat bans, salt regulation, and food taxes. They even suggest a TV ban of sorts, recommending: “specific regulations/policies that limit television and other screen media.”

    The first $120 million of funds has already been awarded to the states, and local grant recipients are expected to be announced soon. In Wisconsin, for example, we already know that the state department of health submitted a grant to use federal stimulus dollars to hire lobbyists to push for bans on flavored tobacco programs at the local level.

    Although the grants under this program are supposedly restricted from funding lobbying activities, there is imply no way these objectives can be accomplished without major legislative changes at the state and local level. Our federal stimulus dollars are being used to hire lobbyists to push for these taxes, bans, restrictions, rules and regulations on what we eat, drink, smoke, and do for recreation. It’s a sweeping micromanagement of our lives that we didn’t vote for, made even worse by the fact that it’s being funded by stimulus money that was supposed to put people other than lobbyists back to work.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    This is making my head hurt – do these people ever listen to what they are saying?  We can only find out what is in laws AFTER they are passed?  You gotta be kidding me.

  • sowsear

    Yes, and BO says Save my presidency. Shall we pickle it?

  • Docelder

    That picture… it reminds me of the evil emperor from teh original Star Wars trilogy… you know once the hood came off. Especially with the dark oforce death grip action. At any rate, you just get the feeling that something is definitely not right with these people.

  • sowsear

    Bah, bah, bah, little black sheep.

  • oowawa

    “The disagreeable absence of a free lunch.”

    The free lunch cartoon below suggests that if we go for the bait of a “free lunch,” we can be hooked like a fish.  But in the present case, the government is a trawler with a big net, and all the poor suckers are going to be trapped and winched onto the ship at the same time.  Don’t even have to take the bait!  They’ve already dangled the bait in front of us and we’ve said “NO!”

  • sowsear

    I know you really want this chocolate bar, little girl.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Am I the only one here who’s truly scared by the way our legislative and executive branches are bypassing the people they’re supposed to serve?
    It’s no longer funny to me. These people are like a Toyota Prius. Out of control and headed downhill with no brakes.

  • oowawa

    “That picture”–Right, Docelder–it’s the hands that make it so expressive:

  • sowsear

    Making fun of the opposition is an Alynsky tactic. We use what weapons we have. At this time, we’re a small army with barbed tongues.

  • oowawa

    ‘We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it…’ 

    We can rest assured that these immortal words will live on in infamy, much like a similar phrase:

    “We had to destroy the city in order to save it . . . ”

    Everywhere you look, HISTORICNESS!

  • sowsear

    We have to spend to get out of debt…

  • oowawa

    In order to get out of the hole, we have to dig faster . . .

  • TeakWoodKite

    Nancy is Nurse Rachet.

  • beachnan

    Sick and tired of being sick and tired of people who refuse to look any further than the reporting of MSM.  Until the MSM starts calling out Obama on his lies, (34 speeches lying to the American public, telling them how this plan will save us money), then you will still have the same idiots supporting this man and his plan.  Sickening.

  • oowawa

    Well, my mommy told me when  I was little to never take candy from strangers, but this time I think it’s okay, cuz the O-candy-man said “Trust Me,” and he’s real nice . . .

  • oowawa

    And they’re a big army with forked tongues.

  • sowsear

     if youre going to dig yourself into a hole, keep digging—you’ll find blue sky eventually. And if you don’t, stop digging

  • sowsear

    Yes, if a con man looked like a con man, he wouldn’t be  successful…right?

  • jbjd

    Howard Dean said this bill should be scrapped (‘bigger bailout than AIG’).
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HealthCare/howard-dean-health-care-bill-bigger-bailout-insurance/story?id=9349392
    So, you say Dr. Angell opposes this bill because she’s anti-woman.  What is he?

  • sowsear

    When we were kids in the middle of the Great Depression, friends of my parents came to visit and they offered my brother a nickle or a dime…. My brother stuck his hand out to take the coin at the same time saying, “We’re not allowed to take money”.

  • sowsear

    Rah, rah, zis boom bah.
    Step around the ca ca

  • sowsear

    Dean’s opinions lost their “truthiness” long ago, but on the other hand, he’s not just playing a Dr. on TV.

  • sowsear

    Magnify the picture to get the full face horror.

  • Onofre’s arm

    It seems more like fishing with dynamite. There’s no escape, it’s indiscriminate, and even small fry like us will simply be stunned, and float belly up to the surface, where the progressive factory ship will scoop us all up, and grind us into Utopian fertilizer.

  • sowsear

    Rah, rah, zis boom bah
    Step around zee ca ca

  • TeakWoodKite

    Rev. Amy, for give the OT, I thought the picture in this article says it all.

    At this point this, is what happens when your government doesn’t listen. I see very little difference in the context of this HC fiasco.

  • Tony Stark

    BO is, at heart, an authoritarian. Given half the chance, he will run the country as a dictatorship.

  • jwrjr

    Soon, in the Multimedia Dictionary under the entry for “conman”, will be a photo of Ozero.

  • prime obot

    Sorry, NQers. Fulminate all you want, just like the Republicans will. This bill is going to pass. As it should, and must. End of story. 

  • Docelder

    We are going down hard as a nation. Grab your ass with both hands obot. This is worse than having the actual mob in charge. The mob would be smart enough not to kill the goose that laid the golden eggs. These idiots are planning to eat the goose. I don’t even care anymore to be honest.

  • Docelder

    Yep, if “trust me” works, then there really isn’t any hope for us at this point. This is like being a pasenger on the Titanic. Take the time now to get into your neoprene suits is all I Can say. Because it is going to get real cold and real wet real fast.

  • trixta

    Obama = GWB.   Both are corporatist shills.

  • Onofre’s arm

    If you truly believe that Botfly, why do you feel compelled to prance around over here at NQ in your usual smug and elitist demeanor?
    If you’re so confident that the bill will pass, what reason do you have to come here and advertise your belief, other than your sad and pitiable need to prove to a bunch of people who really don’t give a rat’s ass about you, how incredibly brilliant and omniscient you are? You really are pathetic, and I’m sure that on a subconscious level, you realize this, so just like all Narcissists, you need to compensate for your basic lack of self esteem by tirelessly trying to prove to everyone just how amazing you are. Sell it over at Daily Kos, we’re fed up with Narcissists at NQ. 

  • Rosa

    and why aren’t more people protesting,I wonder?

  • prime obot

    Wrong. We are not going down hard, because Obama and the Democrats are going to turn this ship around, starting with this bill. We must start being governed by reason and by at least some semblance of progressive principle. For instance: we cannot continue to function as a prosperous nation in the 21st century if any of our citizens can be booted out of having health insurance at any moment (or denied insurance) by any insurance company that doesn’t feel like covering them because it wouldn’t be profitable. You all talk about how terrible this bill would be — but I have yet to hear anyone offer any kind of sane alternative to the ongoing catastrophe that is our present system. It is so blindingly obvious: if this bill fails, we won’t get another shot at these reforms for years to come. We cannot wait. This bill must and will pass, and the GOP can run on repealing these provisions and sending Americans back to the era when they could face bankruptcy and death at a moment’s notice, and you can all vote for this regressive madness and keep pretending that you’re progressives (right, Rev. Amy?), and if enough Americans want to vote the Democrats out this fall, so be it. 

  • Rosa

    some people aren’t lemmings  or as you are commonly called SHEEP!

  • Rosa

    that was for mr Sheep obot

  • TeakWoodKite

    “We cannot wait” ??

    Who the shag is “we” ?

    In order of appearence the little bots, do make small the world.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Obot says: “Obama and the Democrats are going to turn this ship around”

    Captain Obama of the SS Titanic says “We need to turn this ship around. That will save us”

    That in a nutshell is the problem Obot. They need to be fixing the gigantic hole in the Democatic ship or there will be no ship in November.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “Sorry, NQers. Fulminate all you want, just like the Republicans will. This bill is going to pass. As it should, and must. End of story.”

    Usually I say “there is no glory in saying I told you so”. But in Obots case, I am going to put it in his face all the way past the next Nov election.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “Trust Me” is what they say in Hollywood when they mean F You.

  • prime obot

    Sorry Onofre, I know how much you want me to leave, so there will be nobody here to interrupt the steady flow of anti-Obama bile, but your needs are not my concern. 

  • prime obot

    “We” is the American people. 

  • AnnieCarmel

    Perhaps he has us mixed up with some other blog.  We aren’t “Progressives”  aka Sociaists here.  I believe most of us are old style Liberals (which has no resemblence to the New Democrats or Progressives); Independents and Fiscal Conservatives.  I want insurance reform.  There’s no need to change our health care system per se.

  • Onofre’s arm

    My “needs” as you put it, were never expressed in my post, it was YOUR pathetic needs I was addressing. Are your reading skills so sorely lacking that you didn’t catch that? It’s not so much that I want you to leave, it’s more a desire for you to make an effort to post something interesting, humorous, different than your usual, unique, and quite frankly, something more than an inflated version of the latest Obama bumper sticker. Technically, your writing is just O.K., but when it comes to content and style, you flat out suck! You never let us forget that you’re a ******PROFESSIONAL WRITER******, but that could simply mean that you write the assembly instructions for the prizes in a Cracker Jacks box; “Insert tab A into slot B”. Yay Botfly! Another important literary contribution to western civilization! Face it Botfly you’re miserable when it comes to conversational type writing because your arrogance prevents you from recognizing and correcting what most of us have been trying to tell you for some time now. You’re a bore, a hack, and an irritating twit with the general appeal of a bloated, week old, maggot infested, road killed dog, on a slum street in a tropical socialist third world country. The type of country ours will become if you progressives have your way.  

  • helenk

    Backtrack and bunch are like the Chinese water torture. a bad so-called health care bill, really a give away to the insurance industry, defeating a bill that creates summer jobs for the young and help to poor families, while giving money for Wall St bonuses., Now a bill that may restrict fishing for pleasure or food in the oceans and inland water ways, while allowing coal companies to pollute rivers and streams.

    btw the dems that voted against the summer jobs for youth are
    McCaskill   -  Web  -  Warner  – Nelson

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • helenk

    Are you one of the few that really know what is in the bill?. Axis Sally Polesi told the dem ” just pass it and we will find  out later if it is any good” Have you really seen the add-ons how about the one for college loans?
    Just wondering

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Portia, I assure you – you are NOT alone!

    And good metaphor abt the Prius, though we have been a Toyota family for years. Sigh…

  • politicsisdirty

    With all the ethics investigation against mostly Democratic member of Congress how can anyone say that the Health Bill will not pass.

    These member of congress are being convinced by the leadership that it is the best thing for their future and their family. The choice is either they get investigated and leave in shame or continue on as member of congress and face the wrath of their constituents. People may try to vote them out of congress but that is not a sure thing because the Democratic party will be behind them with their total support. The party in power has so much money at their disposal.

  • Docelder

    Maybe the outside is starting to reflect what is on the inside. Or maybe the wax is starting to melt.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Reminds me of…

    “…there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”

  • Docelder

    On the topic of Pelosi, there is this. Remember her saying the CIA lies? If so, maybe not so much as the speaker lies.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2010/mar/judicial-watch-obtains-top-secret-memorandum-detailing-closed-congressional-hearing-en

  • prime obot

    You want insurance reform, Annie? Really? What exactly would you like reformed? Please be specific. Also be specific about how you feel Obamacare “changes our health care system.” Because I don’t think it does. It does, however, mandate major insurance reforms. 

    I strongly suspect that you and many other folks here on NQ would be 100% behind this bill if Hillary Clinton were the president promoting it. Especially since the emerging bill is remarkably similar to the health reform that she and her husband tried to pass in 1993. 

  • prime obot

    Actually you’re the one who keeps bringing up my background, Onofre, not me. As for what passes for substance in the rest of your post: sorry, I have had any number of substantive discussions with people here, and I quite enjoy it. You aren’t one of them, of course; you’re one of the retrograde old-school NQers who spew venom and nothing else. That’s pretty much the definition of boring, so you continue on with your doglike peeing on each of my posts. You are of no further interest. 

  • prime obot

    Go for it, Beantown. I assume you believe the Democrats will lose both houses of Congress as the American people reject Obamacare? 

    I believe just the opposite: I believe that we will hold both houses and our losses will be less severe than expected today, as the American people embrace Obamacare. 

    There, that should be pretty clear. And I promise to be here on Election Night to crow in victory or take my lumps in defeat. 

  • mgm

    You say we have to pass this bill.  What bill?  Which bill?  Oh, that’s right…we have to pass it before we can know what’s in it.  This carries “Trust Me” to a new  extreme.  

  • prime obot

    PS: The bill hasn’t even passed yet, and unemployment has barely begun to turn around, and already we see this: 

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/126503/Dems-Hold-Slight-Advantage-2010-Election-Preferences.aspx

    If you really still believe the Republicans are going to retake Congress this fall, you are delusional. Ain’t gonna happen. 

  • stodghie

    pb youi and chritmas turkeys have a lot in common. you ar stuffed full of it.

  • stodghie

    “your needs are not my concern” ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh big ears is here. hahahahahaha  pb you are a total pathetic vile self centered dufus.

  • Guest

    Amy,

    Your arguments are old.

    First of all leadership is not about followng the polls. It is about driving forward with what you believe it. That is leadership.

    But, lets look at some of the polls. A couple of things: people in this country “do” want healthcare reform, many of them want this bill and once people are actually explained what is in the bill they generally have a much more favorable view.

    If it was not for people like you who are spreading a lot of BS and health insurance company narratives, I am sure the polls would be better. I am not sure what exactly your agenda is on here, as you really do not explain very well and clearly why you are against this bill. The public will come around. In fact, the polls show they are starting to come around.

    AP has a poll out today saying that only 4% of Americans do not want any reform.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jLuiHkZh_6jawpShuW9JXGMuMZ1gD9EBBR8G0

    http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

    In the same poll 41% support the current bill and 43% oppose. That is hardly a big clear majority of Americans that are against the current bill. And once people are actually explained what is in the bill the numbers go up and a majority favor the bill.

    According to a Kaiser poll (which is associated with an HMO) after explaining many aspects of the bill support goes way up.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/01/when_explained_health_bill_pop.html

    According to other polling once the bill is explained those opposed significantly drops.

    “The pollsters began by asking respondents a straightforward question: Do you support health care reform? The answers were consistent with what published surveys have shown. Among the older voters, just 36 percent supported reform while 47 percent opposed it. Among the self-described independents, the response was even more negative: just 30 percent supported it while 51 percent opposed it.

    Then the pollsters told the respondents about some of the features reform included–like guaranteeing insurance access for people between 55 and 64, prohibiting insurers from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions, expanding home- and community-based services, ending lifetime caps on benefits, and providing tax credits to small business.

    After explaining these features, the pollsters returned to the original question: Do you support health care reform? The numbers jumped dramatically, with older voters saying they approved of reform legislation by 47 to 37 percent. independent voters moved, too, with 44 supporting and 39 percent opposing it once they’d heard about the benefits.”

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/exclusive-encouraging-news-private-poll

    And in fact Healthcare reform is actutally getting more popular. Read this out today.

    “In fact, the public has moved sharply in the pro-reform direction over the last several weeks, with the margin of opposition falling by more than half.”

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/health-care-reform-getting-more-popular

    What is not to like:

    > +30 million more insured
    > cuts costs and the deficit according to the CBO
    > gets rid of pre-exisiting conditions
    > allows you to keep your children on your insurance longer
    > increases the size of the pools which should help to lower premiums or get people better insurance for same price
    > creates exchanges which will add more competition for individuals and small business that buy insurance on their own.
    > etc.

  • prime obot

    Notice that this question I pose, as usual, receives no answer. 

  • prime obot

    Nice work, Guest. Getting the NQ crowd to actually focus on specifics, though, is quite difficult. What is most striking is how similar the proposed Obamacare is to the massive health care overhaul the Clintons attempted in the early 90s. I’ll bet 99 out of 100 members of this site couldn’t even tell you the difference between the two approaches (I can, at least in broad strokes, and the Clintons’ proposal was slightly stronger, because it was slightly more of a national plan). Yet, if Hillary had been elected and proposed exactly what Obama proposed, you know that everyone here would be the plan’s biggest cheerleader. 

    Nobody is interested in exploring those blatant contradictions, though. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    You have no answer because, as I’ve tried to tell you, people scamper away from you as they would from an insufferable bore at a party.

  • TeakWoodKite

    And you speak for them? The American people? And by what form of consent do you imagine, I would EVAH give, that would enable you so?

    Never.

    BPot do you understand what “Don’t tread on me” is?