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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/42902/once-again-the-us-shows-its-leadership-on-human-rights/#comment-1317103</link>
		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS, I would go one step further.&#160; I would ask not only why the D Corporation (club) chose him over her, even though she won according to club rules (before the club implemented different rules); but why did people both inside of and outside of the club allow them to get away with this?&#160; Because HRC is a woman.&#160; (Oa, where are those &quot;riots in the streets&quot;?) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS, I would go one step further.&nbsp; I would ask not only why the D Corporation (club) chose him over her, even though she won according to club rules (before the club implemented different rules); but why did people both inside of and outside of the club allow them to get away with this?&nbsp; Because HRC is a woman.&nbsp; (Oa, where are those &#8220;riots in the streets&#8221;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/42902/once-again-the-us-shows-its-leadership-on-human-rights/#comment-1317094</link>
		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put more bluntly: Simply wanting more women in politics doesn&#039;t make it necessary or more effective. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put more bluntly: Simply wanting more women in politics doesn&#8217;t make it necessary or more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/42902/once-again-the-us-shows-its-leadership-on-human-rights/#comment-1317092</link>
		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t one club hold paramount the idea that they are trying to select candidates who can defeat the other club&#039;s candidates?

Here&#039;s a conundrum to consider: If the gender of equally qualified individuals is irrelevant to their job performance, (I&#039;m sure most people here would agree to this statement) then it should be irrelevant which sex is chosen to do the job. Which, by extension, would mean that it is irrelevant whether one sex is more heavily represented in a certain field, if&#160;job performance is the criterion. This would render the desire of the less represented sex to have numeric parity to be a matter of vanity, and not necessarily a desire for better job performance, since we&#039;ve already established that gender in this example is not relative to performance. In other words, just because parity may be desired, this does not constitute a valid reason to alter the situation, especially if improvement of performance is the goal. &#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t one club hold paramount the idea that they are trying to select candidates who can defeat the other club&#8217;s candidates?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a conundrum to consider: If the gender of equally qualified individuals is irrelevant to their job performance, (I&#8217;m sure most people here would agree to this statement) then it should be irrelevant which sex is chosen to do the job. Which, by extension, would mean that it is irrelevant whether one sex is more heavily represented in a certain field, if&nbsp;job performance is the criterion. This would render the desire of the less represented sex to have numeric parity to be a matter of vanity, and not necessarily a desire for better job performance, since we&#8217;ve already established that gender in this example is not relative to performance. In other words, just because parity may be desired, this does not constitute a valid reason to alter the situation, especially if improvement of performance is the goal. &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: dfds</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/42902/once-again-the-us-shows-its-leadership-on-human-rights/#comment-1317079</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jdjd said:

&quot;HRC won the D Corporation primary for President but the D&#039;s put BO&#039;s name on the ballot&quot;.

That&#039;s the entire argument,&#160; In one simple sentence.&#160; Hillary R. Clinton won the primary.&#160; BUT, the D&#039;s put BO&#039;s name on the ballot.

Hello!!!&#160;

All the arguments of more women running for office, of putting their names out there, of working harder, of letting time to slowly rectify the situation is totally bashed by the simple truth: a woman by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Democratic primary, undeniably took&#160;the popular vote,&#160;undeniably was the most qualified for the job, but&#160; she was denied the nomination.

Why?&#160;

Well, I would suggrest one reason is because she was a woman.&#160; Oh yes, there are many excuses to bring to the fore, many that we&#039;ve all heard and puked on. She was controversial, she ran a lousy campaign&#160;and worse, she was&#160;a hardass, a bitch with a voice that sounded like everyone&#039;s ex-wife.&#160; She was reviled by Dems and Republicans alike.

Well, how do all like the alternative???

Please, I do not want to hear another word about Democracy lost or the Republic in jeopardy.&#160; We had the best candidate in a generation.&#160; And &lt;strong&gt;she &lt;/strong&gt;was kicked to the curb.&#160; Because she was a woman.

How dare she think she could be POTUS?&#160;&#160;Again, I ask everyone here:

How do you like the alternative, the choice of the &quot;boy&#039;s club?&quot;&#160;

And we really need to argue&#160;about whether&#160;sexism rules the day in this country?&#160; Or that India&#039;s idea of using quotas is&#160;some sort of horrendous&#160;abomination?

I&#039;m beyond words!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdjd said:</p>
<p>&#8220;HRC won the D Corporation primary for President but the D&#8217;s put BO&#8217;s name on the ballot&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the entire argument,&nbsp; In one simple sentence.&nbsp; Hillary R. Clinton won the primary.&nbsp; BUT, the D&#8217;s put BO&#8217;s name on the ballot.</p>
<p>Hello!!!&nbsp;</p>
<p>All the arguments of more women running for office, of putting their names out there, of working harder, of letting time to slowly rectify the situation is totally bashed by the simple truth: a woman by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Democratic primary, undeniably took&nbsp;the popular vote,&nbsp;undeniably was the most qualified for the job, but&nbsp; she was denied the nomination.</p>
<p>Why?&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, I would suggrest one reason is because she was a woman.&nbsp; Oh yes, there are many excuses to bring to the fore, many that we&#8217;ve all heard and puked on. She was controversial, she ran a lousy campaign&nbsp;and worse, she was&nbsp;a hardass, a bitch with a voice that sounded like everyone&#8217;s ex-wife.&nbsp; She was reviled by Dems and Republicans alike.</p>
<p>Well, how do all like the alternative???</p>
<p>Please, I do not want to hear another word about Democracy lost or the Republic in jeopardy.&nbsp; We had the best candidate in a generation.&nbsp; And <strong>she </strong>was kicked to the curb.&nbsp; Because she was a woman.</p>
<p>How dare she think she could be POTUS?&nbsp;&nbsp;Again, I ask everyone here:</p>
<p>How do you like the alternative, the choice of the &#8220;boy&#8217;s club?&#8221;&nbsp;</p>
<p>And we really need to argue&nbsp;about whether&nbsp;sexism rules the day in this country?&nbsp; Or that India&#8217;s idea of using quotas is&nbsp;some sort of horrendous&nbsp;abomination?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beyond words!</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed about caucuses. And I&#039;m beginning to repeat myself with this particular subject, I&#039;ve laid out my position. But I&#039;ve got to get some rest. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed about caucuses. And I&#8217;m beginning to repeat myself with this particular subject, I&#8217;ve laid out my position. But I&#8217;ve got to get some rest.</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oo, the clubs DO choose.&#160; That is why they are called clubs!&#160; Their sole mission is to get club candidates onto state ballots.&#160; They are not inherently undemocratic; it all depends on their internal rules.&#160; When the D Corporation violated its constitution - note the small c - people within the club tried to impact the club decision.&#160; Others left the club, in protest.&#160; But in most states, that&#039;s all anyone could do.&#160; After the election, did citizens try to amend their laws in relation to the operation of political parties in their states?&#160; No?&#160; Why not? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oo, the clubs DO choose.&nbsp; That is why they are called clubs!&nbsp; Their sole mission is to get club candidates onto state ballots.&nbsp; They are not inherently undemocratic; it all depends on their internal rules.&nbsp; When the D Corporation violated its constitution &#8211; note the small c &#8211; people within the club tried to impact the club decision.&nbsp; Others left the club, in protest.&nbsp; But in most states, that&#8217;s all anyone could do.&nbsp; After the election, did citizens try to amend their laws in relation to the operation of political parties in their states?&nbsp; No?&nbsp; Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely disagree. If you don&#039;t want to choose the club candidates, don&#039;t join the club!&#160; These primaries are only mechanisms to choose your club candidate to appear on the state ballot.&#160; The club could make a rule, we will pick the highest scoring male and female candidates... &#160;
 &#160;
The Constitution says nothing about political parties.&#160; We created them and gave them this exaggerated power over us.&#160; If we don&#039;t like the way they operate, we don&#039;t have to join them OR let them use our state ballots.&#160; Without violating any civil or Constitutional rights.&#160; &#160;
 &#160;
The sooner you realize the only power held by clubs called political parties as opposed to, say, the Rotary Club or 4-H, derives from the power voluntarily handed over by the states; the sooner you can stem that power.

(All of this is covered on my blog.&#160; Try reading, &lt;a href=&quot;http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/clubs-rule/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CLUBS RULE&lt;/a&gt; ) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely disagree. If you don&#8217;t want to choose the club candidates, don&#8217;t join the club!&nbsp; These primaries are only mechanisms to choose your club candidate to appear on the state ballot.&nbsp; The club could make a rule, we will pick the highest scoring male and female candidates&#8230; &nbsp;<br />
 &nbsp;<br />
The Constitution says nothing about political parties.&nbsp; We created them and gave them this exaggerated power over us.&nbsp; If we don&#8217;t like the way they operate, we don&#8217;t have to join them OR let them use our state ballots.&nbsp; Without violating any civil or Constitutional rights.&nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
 &nbsp;<br />
The sooner you realize the only power held by clubs called political parties as opposed to, say, the Rotary Club or 4-H, derives from the power voluntarily handed over by the states; the sooner you can stem that power.</p>
<p>(All of this is covered on my blog.&nbsp; Try reading, <a href="http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/clubs-rule/" rel="nofollow">CLUBS RULE</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely disagree. If you don&#039;t want to choose the club candidates, don&#039;t join the club!&#160; These primaries are only mechanisms to choose your club candidate to appear on the state ballot.&#160; The club could make a rule, we will pick the highest scoring male and female candidates...

The Constitution says nothing about political parties.&#160; We created them and gave them this exaggerated power over us.&#160; If we don&#039;t like the way they operate, we don&#039;t have to join them OR let them use our state ballots.&#160; Without violating any civil or Constitutional rights.&#160;

The sooner you realize their only only power derives from the power voluntarily handed over by the states; the sooner you can stem that power. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely disagree. If you don&#8217;t want to choose the club candidates, don&#8217;t join the club!&nbsp; These primaries are only mechanisms to choose your club candidate to appear on the state ballot.&nbsp; The club could make a rule, we will pick the highest scoring male and female candidates&#8230;</p>
<p>The Constitution says nothing about political parties.&nbsp; We created them and gave them this exaggerated power over us.&nbsp; If we don&#8217;t like the way they operate, we don&#8217;t have to join them OR let them use our state ballots.&nbsp; Without violating any civil or Constitutional rights.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The sooner you realize their only only power derives from the power voluntarily handed over by the states; the sooner you can stem that power.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why? easy, centuries and centuries of conditioning, patriarchy. A problem of this proportion requires unorthodox solutions, like perhaps a temporary quota to lift them, make examples of them, eliminate the stereotype and eradicate the prejudice. You have problems with afformative action? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why? easy, centuries and centuries of conditioning, patriarchy. A problem of this proportion requires unorthodox solutions, like perhaps a temporary quota to lift them, make examples of them, eliminate the stereotype and eradicate the prejudice. You have problems with afformative action?</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes much deeper than culture lorac. There are huge differences between the sexes that are almost hardwired into us by millions of years of evolution. Some of this hardwired programming may be the reason that fewer women seek careers in politics, this should be studied. But crafting new election practices that are heavily geared toward forcing more women into office, whether the electorate wants that or not, drastically reduces our right to vote for whoever we please, and it is similar to a Hobson&#039;s Choice. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes much deeper than culture lorac. There are huge differences between the sexes that are almost hardwired into us by millions of years of evolution. Some of this hardwired programming may be the reason that fewer women seek careers in politics, this should be studied. But crafting new election practices that are heavily geared toward forcing more women into office, whether the electorate wants that or not, drastically reduces our right to vote for whoever we please, and it is similar to a Hobson&#8217;s Choice.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one lorac, But we females don&#039;t count in the grand scheme of human existence. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one lorac, But we females don&#8217;t count in the grand scheme of human existence.</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Yttik. IMHO, the caucus system has to go.&#160; The primary election system is indeed a big undemocratic mess. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Yttik. IMHO, the caucus system has to go.&nbsp; The primary election system is indeed a big undemocratic mess.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us wait for another century for the patriarchy to turn around and correct its course all on its own about all the disenfranchised women for centuries. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us wait for another century for the patriarchy to turn around and correct its course all on its own about all the disenfranchised women for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Yttik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yttik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to the primaries, the club chooses. Make no mistake about that. It is not one man, one vote and the winner becomes the party candidate.

In Wa state, the Dems run a whole primary election and people go out to the polls to vote. but not one single vote is counted towards who becomes the candidate, that&#039;s all done in the caucuses. You can vote all you want for a Dem primary candidate but it has absolutely no influence on the outcome. On the Republican side, they take half their influence from the caucus and the other half from the votes. So when you cast a Republican vote, it counts as half a vote.

The rules vary from state to state, but it is always the two parties who hold the cards and determine how and who will be selected. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to the primaries, the club chooses. Make no mistake about that. It is not one man, one vote and the winner becomes the party candidate.</p>
<p>In Wa state, the Dems run a whole primary election and people go out to the polls to vote. but not one single vote is counted towards who becomes the candidate, that&#8217;s all done in the caucuses. You can vote all you want for a Dem primary candidate but it has absolutely no influence on the outcome. On the Republican side, they take half their influence from the caucus and the other half from the votes. So when you cast a Republican vote, it counts as half a vote.</p>
<p>The rules vary from state to state, but it is always the two parties who hold the cards and determine how and who will be selected.</p>
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