Stupak

If he is so concerned about the right to life, what about the 45,000 Americans who die every year due to lack of health insurance?

What is it about “It’s the economy stupid” that Dems don’t get? What is with these people? They have a real jones for this healthcare bill don’t they? What is wrong with these people? Bueller? Anyone?

I love the typo “White Hose”! Tgey are hosing the American people!

I meant “they”. So much for “english teacher”

Now they are trying to slip in student loans on the health bill.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/85595-dem-plan-to-twin-healthcare-and-student-lending-complicates-vote-

Give me a break. If this Administration is so frigging concerned about the uninsured dying due to lack of insurance, how come the current plan would NOT GOING INTO EFFECT for 5 years after being passed? It’s because they need 5 years of tax revenues to fund it. So all those tens of thousands of Americans who supposedly will die next year by not having health insurance will still die even if this bill passes. Bad luck for them!

Student loans in a health care bill?  Looks like another brick in the wall. Pretty soon the dems are going to be completely disconnected from the will of the people.

surfered please think before you blog…..Obamacare will not go in effect immediately..if you doubt it please do more research.

The Democrats are, in a majority, greatly disgusting me.  They know this bill is going to hurt the middle class, higher costs, rates, taxes with added unconrolable mandates and they are going along because Barry has promised his special interests.

I applaud Stupak for his principled-sort of,  stand on the abortion funding he opposes, but where the heck is he on the sheer costs to give some-some to the Special interests and Barry’s ACORN low RECORDED earnings to receive health care all on our backs?

My Senator, Tom Udall said he wouldn’t vote for a bill that didn’t bring down our health care costs, but yet he has toed party line. smftt

And oh yah, here’s the latest heart warming story about someone who died and HAD health insurance coverage. You know that great British health insurance system that many want America to emulate because it’s so fair? 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255858/Neglected-lazy-nurses-Kane-Gorny-22-dying-thirst-rang-police-beg-water.html

beteen Stupid Stupak and bob corker of tn who wants the usury to continue in the payday lending business as a female American citizen I feel that they do not represent my best interest.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

I’m a Linda Too– Exactly! I keep writing to my reps –Boxer, Woolsey and Feinstein–WHEN DID THE DEMS BECOME THE PARTY TO DESTROY THE MIDDLE CLASS? I just dont’ understand how they can justify most of what’s in this bill!

bayareavoter: i want to know what you’re so incensed about. please list 20 or so points – specific points – you object to.

I don’t applaud Stupak at all. He can keep his religion in church where he belongs. Abortion is legal in this country – still.  

candymarl: cutest. avatar. EVER

I think this bill has little to do with healthcare.  It has more to do with raising taxes for a system that will not go into effect in what 3-4 years?  We all know what happened to the Social Security fund–rob Peter to pay Paul, and then OMG, the piggy bank is broke. Tsk,tsk,tsk.

Plus, I found it interesting that Obama slipped several months ago and said the bill is “all about jobs.”  Now, you could interpret that to mean: by reducing costs [which this bill will not do], we’ll ensure that American businesses are competitive abroad, won’t layoff more workers and will actually start hiring again.  They will start hiring at some point but at reduced wages and benefits and if Americans balk, they’ll simply go overseas [which is what they've been doing for the last 20 years anyway, tapping into cheap labor].

Maybe I’m way too cynical but I think the President and the Dems know that this bill will institute a huge bureaucracy.  And so, in a sense, it is a jobs bill. 

Bingo, two for one! 

Of course, the hitch is that we’ll be mandated to buy insurance from private companies with no assurance of cost control or quality. And it’s not as if the insurance companies have a grand track record in this regard.  Better yet, if we don’t pay or signup, the IRS hounds will be on our doorstep.

And what do the politicians get?  Not our love but mega-bucks from their sugar-Daddies.

Oh, happy days!

Pay day lending to be exempt from new interest laws:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/put-a-cork-in-corker/

Why thank you. :-[

Obviously, they are uncincerned with the next electin cycle. We should be wondering why that is and not whether they get it or not. I think they do get it. I don’t think we do yet.

I hope they have a little something special in there for community organizations. Poor litttle buggers.

Another control mechanism.  They want their hand in everything.

Rep. Alan Grayson hit it out of the park yesterday:
He introduced a bill that would provide a buy-in option allowing access to Medicare health coverage for anybody who wants it.
It’s an amazingly simple bill. Not even four pages long, and the language is so simple that basically anybody can understand it.
http://grayson.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Public_Option_Act.pdf

What is missing is the 2700 pages of mystery meat. The mystery meat is the whole point of the charade. Of course they could have just expanded medicare. But where could they fit “radical change” into that one? See is never was about health care to begin with. I don’t know why otherwise smart people can’t see that.

As Nancy said yesterday, it has to be passed first to be read. Don’t you listen to Nancy? She wears the pants in Washington. Hopey Dopey just gives the speeches.

Anybody see the story from Oregon about the state worker placed on leave? He bought some guns… legally and was raided because the SWAT police thought he was planning retribution for being fired. What this says is that somewhere the data went that he was a) placed on leave and b) buying guns and from that information somebody analysed that he needed to be raided by SWAT and eveluated in a mental facility. Reminds me of that movie… Minority Report. The thought police are already here apparently.

http://www.krwq.com/pages/landing?3-9-10-EX-ODOT-EMPLOYEE-TAKEN-INTO-PROTE=1&blockID=194001&feedID=133

Also medical records online without consent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7408379/Patients-medical-records-go-online-without-consent.html

So will there be waiting periods before coverage kicks in? Will they require premium payments up front and ahead of providing coverage? What happens if the person stops paying their premiums? How much notice does the government have to give before cancelling their coverage? How will premiums be collected?  

So if Joe Smith gets a cancer diagnosis a week before the open enrollment period starts, enrolls and pays his premiums for the 6 months that he needs active medical insurance to cover his treatments, and then drops insurance, how is that a good thing? He will have paid nowhere in premiums what the medical bills cost. The taxpayers and others who purchase Medicare will cover the difference. Multiply that by who knows how many people who will only purchase the Medicare plan when they need medical care to only drop it when they don’t and the costs will be outrageous. Especially since it appears that Medicare has to insure you if you ask so there will be no penalty for starting and stopping coverage numerous times if it’s financially beneficial to the insured.  What if he signs up for Medicare and pays for a few years then gets cancer. Because he’s sick, he can’t work and his family has to rely on his spouses income alone. He doesn’t qualify for SSI since he’s not permanently disabled, and his wife makes too much for him to go on Medicaid. So he no longer pays his insurance premiums and a few months after his diagnosis, he no longer has coverage. Do taxpayers pay the remaining bills as if he never had insurance in the first place or what?  Are the hospitals supposed to write off his coverage or do as they do now? Raise the costs for those who have insurance to cover those they treat who don’t?  How is his loosing insurance coverage under Medicare for not paying the premiums and being uninsured any different than him loosing coverage under a private plan for not paying the premiums?

Just so many questions.

You’re delusional. The Democrats’ numbers are actually increasing, and we now score higher than the GOP in the generic November ballot. As for the health care bill, Pelosi says flatly that she’ll have the votes: 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/85975-pelosi-says-house-has-votes-for-healthcare-if-vote-were-held-today

You want to bet against Madame Speaker’s vote-counting instincts? Good luck with that.  

Prime Obot’s cameo in “Animal House”.

Yes little Botfly, all is well in Obamaland

Sorry, I meant to include this: 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126503/Dems-Hold-Slight-Advantage-2010-Election-Preferences.aspx

This idea that the Democrats are (still) collapsing is past its expiration date. Obama is back on his game, health care is going to pass, and the GOP is defined by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. 

L. O. freaking. L.  

Did you bother looking at where this started last year? This is a toss up. However, what you are missing is that any generic national poll on this subject is driven purely by population and not by candidates. If New York, LA, SF, and Chicago could vote for every Congressman in the country then this poll would have relevance. But that’s not the case. Like Verizon, you can’t carry over unneeded votes from Nancy Pelosi’s district to another district.

Does Pelosi have the votes? Who knows. I will say this. The best thing that could happen to Obama and Democrats is the fact that this healthcare bill does not pass. If it does not pass then the issue will fade from memory very quickly and Democrats could have a good chance of retaining their majority.

If it does pass, this election will be a major referendum on this healthcare debacle because the facts will now be revealed and the campaign will be about repeal. The GOP will take back majority of both houses and will make Obama a lame duck.

Dear Mr. Obot,

I would not take comfort in the Gallup Poll.  Gallup pollsa all voters.  Even in years when Republicans have crushed Democrats the Republicans never scored ahead of Democrats in the generic vote.  What matters, especially in an off-year election is enthusiasm.  Take a look at those numbers and enjoy your heartburn.

I am very conflicted on healthcare because:

1.  I want to see prime Obot and his savior with egg on their faces.

2.  I am totally against any money from the treasury directly or indirectly subsidizing abortions.

3.  I think the healthcare bill is an economic disaster.

But……

I also think healthcare reform is very much needed and if Obama does not pass something now, I think it is dead for another generation.  So I’m hoping the guy gets it passed.  Then, I will just have to gag when I see pictures of the faces of Lincoln and Roosevelt being blown off of Mt. Rushmore to make room for Obama.

2.  I am totally against any money from the treasury directly or indirectly subsidizing abortions.

Well, I am totally against any money from the Treasury directly or indirectly used for Erectile Disfunction.

Agreed EllenD, the Feds surely have erected a double standard that stiffs the taxpayers to pay for men’s problems, while being hard on women’s issues. The Feds have no business funding either of the two. 

Those blown off faces would barely make room for his ears alone. 

I agree with you TOTALLY.  The only difference is there are not 12 members of the House of Representatives withholding their votes because of money going for Viagra.  

Dude, of course I’m taking into account where the numbers started. The Democrats have been collapsing for months and only started recovering in the past few weeks since Obama decided to aggressively fight for this health care plan (the insane insurance company rate hikes and continued Republican political irresponsibility have surely helped too). No doubt, it has been an awful year for the Dems, and no doubt, a lot of it has been Obama’s fault. I’ve acknowledged this many times here in recent weeks, not that many NQers will ever acknowledge that I acknowledged it. 

Still. A Gallup national taste test that shows the Dems back slightly ahead of the GOP constitutes good news for our side (and by “our” I mean “my,” of course). The Republicans are not going to take over either house of Congress if these numbers hold. And if anything, i believe they are likelier to get better for Democrats than for Republicans. For one, numbers for the Democrats and for the health care bill will improve once it is signed into law, for the simple reason that people like to vote for winners, and they will approve more of this president and the Democrats once they prove they can actually get important stuff done. Ultimately, you should understand, the Republicans aren’t opposing this bill because they oppose this bill: for the most part, it comprises initiatives that Republicans themselves have supported in the past (local exchanges, insurance regulation, business tax credits, etc). They are opposing it because they want to destroy Obama’s presidency at any cost. That is the side that you folks have allied yourselves with. 

But I further believe that once the smoke clears, over a period of months, the truth about this bill will come out more and more clearly (this is what Pelosi was driving at with her inartful comment about passing the bill so people can see what’s in it). And when it does, Americans are going to like it. 

Couple all that with the likely case that unemployment will be declining by November, and what you have is a recipe for lower Democratic losses than anyone is expecting now. 

On the other hand: if the health care bill fails, and/or the economy sinks again, the Democrats are screwed, period. So if your primary motivation is Obama’s failure, root for the GOP to kill the health care bill and for a double-dip recession. I don’t know where that leaves you in terms of rooting for America, though. 

This is a legitimate point. The GOP has more motivated voters this year, and that is a hill that the Democrats must climb in order to minimize our losses this fall. Another important reason we have to pass the health care bill. 

You are absolutely right in your comments below about health care, btw. Thank you for making them here. 

P.O. – You said: “once the smoke clears, over a period of months, the truth about this bill will come out more and more clearly (this is what Pelosi was driving at with her inartful comment about passing the bill so people can see what’s in it”

That is a major problem. No one knows what is in it – neither does Pelosi. She says we need to pass something before we can see what’s in it. Huh?

As i said, if it fails Dems are in better shape because people have a :30 second memory, If it passes you will be hard pressed to find an electable Democrat anywhere. For 5 or 6 years all this does is collect money through taxes and medicare cuts before the Obama vision kicks in. And then it will not reduce cost – it will increase costs. This bill is a pot-luck of junk thrown together to make Obama look good and is not – I repeat not – healthcare reform at all.

heres another gem about a guy from canada with cancer.  he ended up going to a clinic in minnisota for life-saving surgery because the beurocrats were taking too long to decide weather or not he was worth saving.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/10/another-tale-of-government-run-health-care-success/

You don’t want to see what’s in the sausage.

Yes, Nancy said just last week they can create 400K jobs with the Health Care bill.  And all of that will be added to the government with all their new departments.

…how much is this going to costs us to give cover, contributions and free health care to Obama’s volunteers for Obama?

Seriously; we need a recall clause in the constitution.

Pelosi will pull it off. but why house dems would fall for it is beyond me. 

No, No, No, A thousand times No

Keep telling them…

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Hey, she’s not so special. She puts on her pants one leg at a time, just like the rest of us…

Ya okay, says you. 

If it passes you will be hard pressed to find an electable Democrat anywhere.

It will pass, so we will see, very soon.