Pelosi and Health Care Reform: A Pig in a Poke?

One question:  Is the pig wearing lipstick?

Is that Carol Merril? Where’s Monty Hall.

Look Congress, let’s make a deal. You drop your dictatorial health care attack on America, and we’ll keep our pitchforks and torches in the garden shed.

I await the bots.

I predict “We cannot afford to do nothing!” with a side of “BushBushBushBush”.

That is the false choice rhetoric we are always subjected to. It’s either this crappy bill or nothing.

No one that I know wants nothing. But they’d rather have nothing than this disaster. There are some things in the bill that many of us like. There are many more that we do not. Why not do it right instead of do it now?

I am also sick of hearing about how 45,000 people die every year because they don’t have insurance. I’m not even sure where that number comes from and have no idea if it’s a reliable number. The way these pols pull nonsensical “facts” out of their asses I don’t trust any number from them any more.

How many thousands that do have insurance die because mistakes are made by the health care provider? Bet that’s a large number too.

Well Diana Obama said you can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig right!

So from his lips to your ears as they say.

Hopefully, Pelosi won’t call for a vote on anything the reps haven’ had a chance to review.  She usually doesn’t call for a vote unless she is sure she has the requisite number of votes to win.  If she doesn’t have the votes, the measure will probably be deferred until Obama gets back from his Asian tour which is less than a week away. This will give her more time to line up the votes and for the public to find out what’s in it.   

I heard that Obama has postponed his trip so that this thing can be rammed through next week or soon after. 

Also, Pelosi just needs the votes–she doesn’t care if anyone actually read the damn thing. That’s immaterial. The Dems are being strongarmed to vote and shut up. 

Great and timely ‘toon, Pat.  You hit the nail right on the head….. Without doubt, the US needs health care reform and sooner than later, but how can Congress try it’s damnest to pull the pigskin over our eyes?  Why would they want to, if it’s such a great bill that they want everyone to want and vote for?  As a matter of fact, we don’t get to vote on it at all!!!   The Rethugs say the public doesn’t want it, and the Dems say the opposite and that it will be great for everyone.  Who are the Dems scared of?  Why can’t they get off the pot and quit wasting our time, anxiety and frustration and show us the substance of the bill, soz we can decide if we really do want what they are trying to produce?????  Then we can let our Congresspersons know if we do or don’t want it.  In my case, however, my represtentatives are in the party of “no”…..
Inquiring minds want to know!
THanks, Pat

I believe that a lot of people don’t have health care because they can’t afford it.  BUT I also believe that many of those have chosen not to have it–especially younger people who would rather spend their money on something else.  I am not being mean here–the stats are out there and I was surpirsed with the number who said they just didn’t think they needed it, and if they did have to see a doctor it wouldn’t cost as much as the insurance premium. 

This is not even funny Nancy Pelosi may be trying to sell us a pig in a poke.
 
I want to see her struggle to pay her healthcare bills. What’s the old saying dead and broke! How true is that here for many families trying to hang on to what they have left. Dying with dignity means nothing to those in power! 

Solara 9:  You’re right.  It was announced this morning that the White House is delaying the start of President Obama’s Asia trip from Thursday(March 18) to Sunday (March 21).  Guess they will try to ram the bill through before he leaves.

I agree with everything that was said in this article but Obama is in a completely no-win situation in my opinion.  He has absolutely nothing to work with as far as the Republicans are concerned because they fear Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and the tea party base primarying them the next time they are on the ballot if they do anything to cooperate with Obama.  The Republicans cannot seriously work with Obama when many of them are rooting for him to fail and when the rest of them are afraid to stand up to their activist base.  To the Republicans, the term “bipartisanship” only means how will Democrats come to the GOP on their terms.  The Republicans will not give and take and they will not approve of one thing that Obama wants to do that they do not agree with:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18427

“Bipartisanship” to the GOP means that Democrats come to them on their terms!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 8, 2010 – 11:59pm.

Obama and the Democratic leadership are taking a very huge gamble with health care but the Republicans have not left him with much of a choice in my opinion.  Obama has to pick “the least bad choice” which is to either pass nothing, not attempt to fix a broken health care system, and lose power in Congress in November by people thinking that he cannot not govern with large majorities in Congress or he can take a chance by passing a very huge and risky health care reform bill that may or may not work.

Mitch Dworkin
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LOL!

donX, LOL!!

Mitch, all I can say is “GREAT for the Republicans” this time. For once the Republicans are doing what the country wants done. As far as them not having any ideas, quit spouting that talking point. As one who works in healthcare, the Republicans have far better ideas than anything the Democratic party has come up with. As far as doing nothing, it would be much better than this POS bill.

ksclematis, by “passing” this bill,  the Dems will ensure they get endless contributions from the insurance lobby for years to come.  If they fail to pass this corporate welfare scheme, the insurance election contributions will go permanently to the Repugs instead — starting this Nov election.  

Well Mitch Healthcare should be secondary to jobs at this time. Why ram a healthcare bill through that is full off holes. Leadership means when you see something is not right hold back until a better solution is found all round.
 
Now that is “change we can believe in” if the Pres actually realizes this is not what the people want and go back to the drawing board and start again. Simple, really but those in power never take the easy route!

So instead they would rather gamble with the healthcare bill. Gamble???

A very nice cartoon, about a sales technique that is very interesting.
I think that Pelosi has just discovered a new way to sell houses, and she does not even know it.
Her attitude or position on the Healthcare bill is like if you were going to buy a home and the realtor said to you, “I have shown you the front of the house, however if you want to see more of it, you have to buy the house.”  Then assuming somehow you were still interested and asked about price and financing, the realtor said to you “Don’t worry about that, I guarantee you that you can afford it and that over time somehow you will figure out a way to pay for it.”  Speaking about price and financing, that sounds like how we got into the real-estate crises we now find ourselves in.
Now is anyone ready to buy a house from this realtor?

“The con would hoodwink buyers into purchasing a burlap bag (“poke”) that had something moving inside. The potential victim was told that it was a pig. When the bag was later opened, the mark found a cat instead.”

And so this quaint con trick is also the origination of the phrase “to let the cat out of the bag,” when the fraud is revealed and the “buyer” knows that he has been played for a sucker.

I think this analogy perfectly applies to this situation.  Great idea, beautifully executed.  I learned a few things from this!  Thanks, Pat.

Well Mitch Healthcare should be secondary to jobs at this time. Why ram a healthcare bill through that is full off holes. Leadership means when you see something is not right hold back until a better solution is found all round.  
   
Now that is “change we can believe in” if the Pres actually realizes this is not what the people want and goes back to the drawing board and start again. Simple, really but those in power never take the easy route!  
 
So instead they would rather gamble with the healthcare bill. Gamble???

She is trying to sell the proverbial lot in the Florida swamps.

Of course, being very shrewd, I would not buy the particular “pig in a poke” displayed in your ‘toon, Pat.  I can clearly see what is in that bag: a piano!  In fact, it is a player piano, which will automatically crank out the tunes we’d better learn to love for the rest of our lives.  Of course, it has to be fed silver dollars.  Lots of them.  Get ready to dance!

I am now channeling the Big Dog again. “It’s the economy stupid”.

Obama basically said he’ll work on jobs when he gets his healthcare bill. Is he now trying to browbeat/blackmail the people of the United States of America? Bad move on his part. Americans tend to get a little testy about these things.

When people feel secure in their persons, papers and economic futures they tend  to be more cooperative. That’s not just American that’s human nature.

Perhaps Obama should remember an old Spanish saying “Take what you want,  God said to man, and pay for it”..

Does anyone know the German translations for “Health care reform”, “We can’t afford to do nothing”, or “Hope and change”? This type of sentimental propaganda, that’s meant to put a glossy veneer on malicious intentions, always sounds so important and necessary when spoken in the German tongue. Don’t euphemistic phrases like “Lebensraum”,”Blut und Boden” and “Nacht und Nebel” have a wonderfully attractive tonal quality? Kinda makes you want to goose step down Mainstreet in support of them, doesn’t it?

Face it people, this HC bill isn’t about government control of one fifth of the economy, it’s about control of 100% of the economy. The convoluted maneuvers that Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are using right now to circumnavigate the Constitution, are similar to kiting a series of checks, they keep writing bad checks to cover previous bad checks in order to stall the final reckoning long enough to accomplish their nefarious goals before anyone knows what happened. We can’t let this happen, because if it does, there will be no turning back without shedding some blut. 

As pf 10 a.m. today, Pelosi is 4 votes shy of passing the bill.  More arm twisting ahead!

Is that considered a planned get out of town until cools down and is safe to come back?

Is there enough jobs in the insurance industry for these fools when they are chased our of offce?. Remember then they are no longer useful to the companies

EVERY  CONGRESSMAN WHO VOTES FOR THIS MUST BE RUN OUT OF OFFICE.
This is where the rubber meets the road. Who do they represent. If it is not the people then they are useless and should be voted out

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Yikes–getting too close for comfort….

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The one clock these fools in Washington are not watching.

Lets face it these people are not in the best interest of the American people. If it were left up to them we would all be loading 16 tons and be deeper in debt.

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PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALSITS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Dem Rep Ben Chandler of Kentucky, a prominent Blue Dog who voted No last time but has since been undecided, will vote against the Senate bill.
“Congressman Chandler’s position on the bill remains the same,” Chandler spokesperson Jennifer Krimm tells our reporter Ryan Derousseau. “He expects to vote against the legislation.”
Separately, Dem Rep Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, an influential member of the Congressional Hispanic caucus who voted Yes last time, is also a No vote, his spokesperson confirms.
There was some confusion this morning about Gutierrez’s intentions, after he said on MSNBC that the immigration language in the bill was “enough” to say he can’t “support” it. But his spokesperson emails over a statement from the Congressman clarifying that he’s voting No.
“At this time, I am a ‘no’ vote on health care,” Gutierrez said in the statement.

“Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It will only frustrate you, and it annoys the hell out of the pig.”

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO

Marge, there may be some tinsel and glitter in this bill, but that’s just the candy coating of a bitter pill, it just a Trojan Horse!

(Let’s see, one, two, three…………..FOUR METAPHORS IN ONE SENTENCE!)

The Metaphor Czar strikes again!

“I predict “We cannot afford to do nothing!” with a side of “BushBushBushBush”.”

Funny–Here’s a political cartoon by Jim Borgman in which he uses exactly the same analogy of “a pig in a poke,” but applies it to GWB.  Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.   But in truth, all of these “pigs in a poke” cannot be refused: it’s ‘You Bought It, Sucker!’ and “here it is, enjoy it!”  Oh well–at least they let us buy on credit.  In fact, our kids and grandkids will still be paying . . .

It is more than obvious that what she was saying was that once the bill is passed, people will see what real impact it has on their lives.  At that point, the ridiculous lies that have been perpetuated by FOX/GOP will fade away, since they reflect nothing from the actual legislation.

just remember this about the current congress. They are not hurting but they are trying to make sure you and your children do not have a future.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Joo90ZWrUkU

You don’t have to teach a pig to squeal, though.  They’re “doing what comes natcherly.”

1–take problem
2–add metaphors (the more, the merrier)
3–mix thoroughly
4–bake until half done
5–enjoy!

I have a feeling they may get what they want. I just don’t think it will turn out the way they planned. There’s a price for everything. Ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.

Odd how several Dem Congresspeople decided to get out before this vote. Were they threatened with withholding support and funding?  It was done before to super delegates. Those super delegates that couldn’t be threatened were bought off with a sudden infusion of cash to their re-election coffers. I wonder why some of them couldn’t do the same this time.

I thought GWB and his bunch and their outright bribery on the floor of the People’s House was bad. The Dems did them one better. They went behind closed doors and did the same. At least that’s my working theory.

We are so screwed.

Nancy, Harry & O

I have no doubt all of the Dims will cave.  Unfortunately, for us, they are merely holding out for what they can get.  I despise every damn one of them.  My neighbor swears if there’s a mass protest in DC, she’ll go even if she has to sell a car to do it (she has two Mercedes, so I guess she can still get to work…she still has a job).  But I’m guessing that she’s feeling a pinch like everyone else to be so angry…and she’s a tax specialist for the company she works for to boot!  Guess she knows too much.  LOL!

I hear the anger everywhere I go…the check-out counter at the grocery.  I told him I wanted my debit card used as credit because in that case the bank would give me a 2% rebate on food purchases.  He said “Well, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard of the banks doing anything for people.”  We proceeded then to each rant about how we hate each and every bank and their little dogs too!  Another neighbor down the way complaining about her credit card company raising her rates without cause (we’re all there), saying she’ll go bankrupt because she can’t afford the jacked up payment.  I sent her the youtube of “Rockerchic4God” who is encouraging a “Debtor Revolt”.  The guy at the auto repair yesterday (yes, I’m going to need a front brake job) vowing never to use credit at a big bank again, wanting the satisfaction of seeing them be put out of business (especially BofA) by irate former customers. 

It’s almost as though you can feel the long fuse of the public outrage ready to explode into something DC will not like.  Along with the credit card rip-offs they are equally upset over the HC plan.  They know it’s all a shell game.

It’s evident that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Good. The she can tell us now what that real impact will be.

Remember, the Dems are the majority here and try ing to blame the Republicans is just silly. If the bill is so great why not pass it and be done with it?  The Dems had a super majority in both houses. They didn’t need Republican votes.

Americans can count and “it’s the Republican’s fault” ain’t flyin’.

PS, great cartoon as usual, Pat.  Thanks

oowawa, Are you sure it’s not  a junkyard Yugo rather than a piano in that surprise package?  LOL!

You’re entire argument is based on the false premise that Obama and the Dems are working hard for the benefit of the people. Obama, his pals, and other Progressives are contemptuous of the people, because the ignorant people stand in their way on the road to their long dreamed of Utopia.

Like this

Three blind mice fit them as well.  A fairy-tale as per big dawg is right.  And as Uppity Woman often says “and the dish ran away with the spoon” is apropos.

It is a Toyota with no brakes going full speed ahead and damn the consequences.

Saint Peter don’t you call me, cuz I can’t go
I owe my soul to the government sto’.

I am not justifying what Obama has done with health care or what he plans to do with it.  Obama is gambling 1/6 or so of the economy on what is really a health care experiment in my opinion.  However I also think that the Republicans gave him very little choice because they did absolutely nothing to work with him in a serious manner.  Because of that, I think that a bad health care bill is just as much the Republican’s fault as it the Democrat’s fault.

Well, whatever it is, it’s really big–much bigger than a pig–not something you can eat, but something that is likely to eat you . . .

Here’s an interesting image that combines the two expressions “buy a pig in a poke” and “let the cat out of the bag”:

Also what is Nancy Pelosi now Miss Cleo? We will we see in the future how wonderful this all will be? What is she psychic? I wouldn’t buy that crap if I was selling it myself. However there is swampland in Florida, a bridge in Brooklyn, and a castle in England I’d like to sell you. Really. Trust me.

Paging Miss Cleo, the Amazing Kreskin, and every other prognosticator on the planet.

Anyone who reads progressive blogs knows this has been a talking point for awhile.  It goes like “once the bill is passed, it will become more popular.”  It’s pretty basic.  I know that NQers only read Drudge and NQ and watch FOX News, so I’m not surprised that you haven’t stumbled across this yet.  But it is obviously what Pelosi is saying. 

It’s hilarious that the editor of this clip literally had to cut it down to FIVE SECONDS to get the soundbite they wanted for their slanted take on her speech.  Talk about out of context!  Sheesh…

No, it means many do not agree with what is in it. Passing blame to the other party is so old. Nancy is saying up yours, this is what we have and we will get it passed not matter what!
 
Gambling should not even enter the equation!

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Experiment?? This should be done well before the country is brought to its knees on the back of everyone’s healthcare.
 
Let them experiment first with themselves, give it to everyone in government for 5 yrs then decide if it’s the right way to go. We can all sit back and watch how it transpires with them and their families first.

Call your reps now.

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At this time, I am a ‘no’ vote on health care,” Gutierrez said in the statement.

Aye that’s the rub…

And all of the king’s horses and all of the king’s men couldn’t put us together again

“The she can tell us now what that real impact will be.”

By all means.  The real impact will be

–that no American will ever have to worry about having health insurance ever again.

–that no American will ever be denied health care insurance coverage ever again due to a pre-existing medical condition. 

–It will offer $200 billion annually lower and middle-income families purchase health insurance coverage.

–Private insurance will be required by law to spend 80-85 cents for every dollar of health care spending on actual care, not overhead, not bonuses, not marketing, not salaries.  Actual Care.  What a notion.  Right now it’s more like 50-60 cents on the dollar for Actual Care.

–Private insurance that raises premiums will have to justify them to the federal government, or face exclusion from tha health care exchanges this bill creates.

–It expands Medicaid coverage to an additional 15 million Americans.

There’s more, but the basic foundation.  As you can see, when the actual details of the plan are outlined, rather than just having Glenn Beck call it tyranny, communism, whatever stupidity he’s dosing on at the moment, the legislation looks pretty good, doesn’t it?

I worry because they will pass this damn legislation and people will be more than po’d. Then, all of a sudden, that stimulus money they’ve been holding on to will be poured into the economy, the banks will be told to start lending again, and everything will be hunky-dory by election time.
After that, on to the next epic shakedown—cap n trade, immigration, whatever.

Why all the name changes JJ Demo, err Jackie, ummmm Dr. Dr.?

Take your Progressive infomercials elsewhere, we know Shamwow when we hear it.

Mitch – I agree with Onofre’s arm. You are blaming Republicans throughout your argument, but for a year Obama had a filibuster proof majority and did not need a single Republican vote.

Your argument is based on agreeing with Michael Moore that Americans are “illiterate and ignorant.”

The problem is Obama. Regardless how smart he is or is not. The bare fact is that the man never had a job managing anything: from a business to a political entity to an organization – not even a lemonade stand. He has completely mismanaged this process as well as other issues. As Liberal Party’s Henry Stern said, Obama came to office with the thinnest resume of an previous President in history. That is the problem.

The result is a bill that has no defined structure and is a hodge podge of stuff they like call healthcare reform.

The best thing that could happen to Obama and Democrats is that they do not pass this. Because Americans quickly forget old news and there is a long way till November.

I’m not sure I like that analogy…I havea Prius…oops.

Aren’t you clever?  Sometimes I get my stuff deleted under one name, so I use another to make sure it gets posted.

I’m not sure I like that analogy…I have a Prius…oops.

Mitch – I can tell you that the GOP has zero input into this bill and not by choice. Rerun that “bipatisan” meeting Obama had and watch how Obama dominated the meeting and his retorts to Republicans. His poll numbers have gone way down from there. Frankly he is approaching Bush Jr. numbers and there is no coming back from that.

“Also what is Nancy Pelosi now Miss Cleo? We will we see in the future how wonderful this all will be? What is she psychic?”


Um, you do know that the bill she is discussing has not actually passed yet, right?  As in, the plan is to pass it “in the future”.  So, yeah, you will see the results in the future, after it is made law.  IN THE FUTURE.  This is not so hard.

Awww, how touching, the old and pathetic “I’m being censored” whine of a lachrymose loser.

yes that’s all it is stuff take your multiple personalities and head off to Huff Post or wherever your face fits!

“Awww, how touching, the old and pathetic “I’m being censored” whine of a lachrymose loser.”

No whining here, just describing what takes place from time to time.  You’re a lovely person, you know that?

Isn’t it rather ironic that the pro-choice Pelosi wants to rip away the choice of the pro-life Dems? 

the republicans are  not there to make him happy!!!!!!!!!!!
if he did not backtrack on the transparency and the congress and the people really knew what was in the bill it would be a different story.
He has given the people no reason to trust him and feel that he is in their best interest. He is NOT at good leader and that is no one fault but his.

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So I’ve been told 

It’s like buying a music CD without hearing it.  The music store owner asks you:
Well, you want melody, right?
And you want rhythm, right?
And you want words to the songs, right?
And you want harmony, right?
And you want lots of instruments, right?
And you want nice clear sound right?
Well, you bought this record here.  It’s called The Yes We Can Album, and it’s by Thee One and His Happy Worshippers.

So you get this great new CD and put it on the player and it’s a piece of crap.

And then the mail comes and you notice that your credit card has been charged a trillion dollars.

http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODhhZTVhYWEyYWNiODk0ZTE0MmM0ZWI2NTFiZjM2MTE=

A good article on the problems that the dems have caused themselves

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Damn the Toypedos!

Hi Hokma:

I agree with you about Obama’s lack of qualifications and I warned people that this would happen to Obama many times over due to his lack of experience and toughness since September of 2007:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16555

Mark Halperin explained why Obama is having problems with GOP attacks right now!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 15, 2008 – 10:58am.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16555#comment-328296

Obama not understanding the GOP attack machine & how to fight it

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 15, 2008 – 11:05am.

I also warned everybody that while Obama could give great speeches to large audiences, he was not a good personal communicator when he had to answer tough questions:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16344 

ANALYSIS: Why Obama will have a very hard time when he debates McCain!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 20, 2008 – 2:15pm.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15340 

Obama supporter Jamal Simmons said “Debates are just not his particular forte”

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 22, 2008 – 3:13am.

If more people would have listened, then Hillary would have won and we would probably not be having these kind of problems right now.  So there is plenty of fault that Obama is guilty of in my opinion.

Obama’s so-called “filibuster proof majority” was just an illusion.  John King of CNN who I respect explained why someone is not a liberal Democrat just because they have a “D” after their name:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16933

John King explained Obama’s “mandate” and why he has to govern from the center!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 7, 2008 – 2:03pm.

To Obama’s credit, he has tried to be bipartisan:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17823

Why John McCain was dead wrong to say Obama has failed the bipartisan test!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 8, 2009 – 10:19am.

However he has had absolutely nothing to work with as far as the Republicans are concerned when Sen. Mitch McConnell’s aides literally report to Rush Limbaugh what McConnell is doing to obstruct Obama and when the Limbaugh wing of the GOP is controlling most of the Republican Party right now.  Bipartisanship is NOT possible under these circumstances and most of the fault for this comes from the Republicans in my opinion:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18215

Mitch McConnell’s aides called Rush Limbaugh “to explain their tactics” to him!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on December 16, 2009 – 5:08am.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17338

ANALYSIS: Why Bipartisanship is NOT possible with far right wing GOP ideologues!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 17, 2009 – 6:21pm.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18427
 
“Bipartisanship” to the GOP means that Democrats come to them on their terms! 
 
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 8, 2010 – 11:59pm.

I always call things right down the middle how I really see them just like how an honest umpire would regardless of which team is up at bat.  In my opinion, there is fault on both sides for different problems as I have credibly documented in this comment!

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It’s bigger than a bread box…

“If more people would have listened, then Hillary would have won and we would probably not be having these kind of problems right now. ”

What a lost opportunity – not nominating Hillary - has been.

There really was a time when there was great Democrat party leaders. People like Pelosi, Reid, and others do not match up to those leaders of the past.

Regarding this healthcare package, Americans either do no want it as is or do not trust it. That has nothing to do with Republicans. It has to do with what has been substantively in it – how many times it has changed – and just a lack of trust.

Obama should have understand that something is better than nothing in politics – particularly something as large as this.

I believe that GOP leaders would not mind seeing this passed so that they can use it to beat Democrats in the Fall. If it is not passed then it will soon be forgotten and other issues will be more relevant for the fall election.

Thanks, sowsear. I’m forwarding this contact info to all my friends.
Great cartoon!

But, the guy got really big pigs….not cats.

Yeah, careful there.  I’m in a Corolla…but it is getting new front brakes…not too bad for 55k miles.

It might be a school of pirayas.

I suggest everyone read this: 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/opinion/12krugman.html?ref=opinion

Not much more need be said. You want to pretend we don’t know what’s in the bill, go ahead and pretend. My daughter likes to pretend she’s a Princess in a Castle. But she’s 4. What’s your excuse? 

Here come the Bots!
(I have actually read the House and Senate bill (not he new merge because they won’t release it) and they are scary as hell!  JJDemo–I hope you are healthy and young for your sake.

Dream on, JJ demo.

That IS a good article–thanks helen k

Krugman does not even begin to address the problems I and others have with what we know…and we are upset because we cannot see it (neither can Krugman).  His 3 “myths” barely scratch the surface of what is wrong.

Yeah sure. Whatever. The bill is going to pass next week. 

I do remember the Republicans in the audience holding up their proposals as THE ONE spoke about healthcare, you know when the “you lie” controversy occurred.  These were proposals they could not get anyone to look at.  I am sick of people saying the Republicans–a party I do despise as much as I now desprise the current Democratic Pary–didn’t give him any choices.  It was party politics on both sides–so get off blaming the Republicans.  There is much else they can be blamed for, but in this case, the blame is clearly on the side of the Democrats.

Those that respect the law and love sausage should watch neither being made.

Mark Twain

NICK DANGER

(thinking) Betty Jo Bialowski! I hadn’t heard that name since college. Everyone knew her as Nancy. Then it all came rushing back to me like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist. It was Pig Night at the Oh Mony Padme Sigma House. We had escaped from the crowd and stood trembling under the dwarf maples …

the process must go like this: 1. houses passes. 2. BHO signs it into law. 3. the senate takes up reconciliation. At that point the GOP is set to do whatever it can to slow things down. For weeks and months. But if you are obama – who cares? It’s already law. All the GOP is doing at that point is stopping minor adjustments to a law already in place. The senate bill is the law. As planned.  
Correct me if i’m wrong – but this thing can only be stopped in the House. And it won’t be unless protests explode over THIS WEEK. 

So let me get this straight. You talk about a bill and you know for sure the future effects it will have. But you can’t tell us now because it’s in the future.  So if you are sure about it’s future effects you can’t tell us now. We have to wait and see.

So you’re admitting that it will not solve any current problems but future problems. You know this how?

Gives us some facts and figures. This is the 21st century not the Dark Ages. Run some computer projections. There’s those pesky Cray computers that were built for this sort of thing. Those computers are currently in use by the federal government.

Scientists do this all of the time. They use available data to extrapolate future events. Even then there is some disagreement. If the data in the bill is accurate then let’s try the scientific method. Or should we take the word of one person with no peer review? 

Perhaps we should rename Ms. Pelosi, not Speaker of the House, but the person who knows what future effects any bill passed will have. 

We’re not idiots. We know the bill hasn’t passed yet.
Yet our objections to said future bill are wrong and should be dismissed. Agreements with said future bill are 100% correct.

One question:  Is the pig wearing lipstick?

Which one? There’s so many pigs, I’m afraid there isn’t enough lipstick to go around.

Solara 9, you want to see the bill? What do you think this is a Democratic Republic?  This is none of  our business. Let Nancy and company pass this “bill of the future” and tell us it’s good for us. Will of the People? What? Do you think this is a government of the People, by the People and for the People or something? No it’s the same thing GWB and others told us. It’s for your own good. Now sit down and shut up. These are our new masters and they care just as much about our opinion as the old masters.

What scares you, Tricia? Please be specific.  

Trying to tell another non-Koolaid drinker to leave, huh, Onofre? You are pathetic. Even by NQ standards, you are unable to deal with actual debate. 

[...] in the bill they are supposed to be voting for, but it’s Obama vacation time. The eventual mess of a bill that emerges is in trouble as more and more Dimocrats say they won’t buy a pig in a [...]

You wonder just how out of touch Washington is with us regular people.  I was very sorry to hear that Harry Reid’s wife and daughter were so badly injured in a car accident. 

Mrs. Reid and I are the same age but the similarities stop there.  Because of the generousity of the American people she will have the best of care and Sen. Reid need not worry that her Healthcare will be rationed or that she will be told she is to old for an operation which could save her life. 

The Senate Healthcare Bill which Reid is so desperate to pass calls for cuts of 500 Bill in Medicare and the end of Advantage Plans which offer affordable care to 10 million of us.  Perhaps when Harry Reid visits his wife in the hospital he might think of the 45 million other Seniors who worry that Death Panels will decide how long we live.  Maybe he will decide to rethink this bill and work with Republicans on a bill which would benefit all of us.  Sometimes God works in the strangest ways his miracles to perform.

It won’t be stopped, period. And once it is passed, the smoke will clear and over time, people will embrace the bill, and the president and party that brought it to them — and reject the party that spent a year lying to them about it. 

Do you want insurance companies to be able to drop your coverage when you get sick? No? Then you want this bill. 

Do you want insurance companies to be able to deny you or your loved ones coverage because of preexisting conditions? No? Then you want this bill. 

Do you want, finally, the principle enshrined in U.S. law that every single American citizen deserves, and will receive, medical treatment and health insurance? Yes? Then you want this bill. 

Do you want subsidized health insurance for every single American who lacks it today — in legislation that the CBO itself says will lower the deficit over time (and Krugman, a notorious Obama skeptic, now thinks will lower it even more in the decade following the CBO estimate)? Yes? Then you want this bill. 

Do you want the Obama presidency to fail so the Republicans can take over again? Yes? Then you want this bill to fail. 

I’m sorry, this is utterly idiotic. Here is the reality: if we do not find significant cost savings in Medicare and in health care in general, and within a period of a few years at most, this country is going bankrupt. The ways to do this are blindingly obvious: you put people into larger and larger insurance pools, in non-profit (public option) settings where hundreds of billions need not be spent on admin and marketing and exec bonuses.

But as soon as Obama and Democrats propose exactly this, people like you start screaming about death panels and all this idiocy. Do you realize how deeply ignorant and self-destructive this kind of rhetoric is? The Democratic Party is your only chance to see Medicare survive in anything like its current form for your kids (or me, or my kid). Period. The Republicans are liars and thieves. The Dems at least are trying. And the CBO confirms this. If you choose not to believe any of it, then sorry, you’re just part of the problem and have to be ignored. And will be. Starting next week.   

AnnieCarmel I don’t think the Dems will cave.  What can Obama offer them?  Pelosi is saying that if they lose their positions she will try to find them jobs–big whoop.  How about money?  Most of them have lots of money.  Obama, Pelosi and Reid are destroying the Democratic Party so these recalcitrant Congressmen will not be promised another term in Congress.  They are being offered an opportunity to commit political suicide for the welfare of Obama’s presidency.  That may not be enough to keep them in line.

“Medicine is the keystone in the arch of the socialist state”. Lenin

Poor Bot.

Obama’s presidency is a failure already. The Rebubs had nothing to do with it.

Gee whizz PO we will know everything about your daughter soon right down to the size of her shoes she wears. Leave her at home for goodness sake! Children should never be exposed to their parent’s blindness & failures!
Next you will be telling us she sits right beside you drinking Kool Aid!

Gee whizz PO we will know everything about your daughter soon right down to the size of shoes she wears. Leave her at home for goodness sake! Children should never be exposed to their parent’s blindness & failures! 
Next you will be telling us she sits right beside you drinking Kool Aid!

Prime Obot — Just check out the nations who have Nationalized Healthcare for their citizens.  Its all about rationed care.  Those who require the most care get the least.  The reason that Medicare came into being is that Seniors were unable to get Health Insurance unless they got divorced and went on welfare. 

It used to be that Congressmen were signing onto bills which they hadn’t read now they have to vote on bills which haven’t even been written.  I’m sorry for people like you who trust Obama to handle this properly when he hasn’t handled anything properly since he became President.  He wants a monument to himself and he doesn’t give a damn about anyone else. 

How serious are they about Healthcare when they want to add College Loans to the bill and perhaps Cap and Trade?  They know they’re going to lose and lose big so before they go they want to destroy this country.  Its like the guy who was losing his home so he blew it up before the Bank could take it away.

Bull. I’m sorry, don’t mean to be rude, but: BULL. Most of Europe and now much of Asia have essentially national health care. Sometimes some people have to wait longer for non-essential services, sure. What do they get in exchange? Longer life expectancy, lower infant and maternal mortality, better health indicators across the board, and all for less money spent per capita. 

Tea Partiers scream about getting the deficit, then scream about socialized medicine, then scream about cutting Medicare. It’s like trying to devise policy with a room full of toddlers. Seriously. 

could it be that obamas solution is “”THE FINAL SOLUTION”?

Well I work in healthcare Prime, and you all so of it, I can’t even begin to start where. I hope you can go to your Messiah for healthcare because most doctors I know, are going to leave the healthcare field. Like they said, no tort reform, let a friggin lawyer work on you for healthcare, write your prescription, take out your gallbladder, perform your abortior. Good luck with finding a doctor.

And as far as lower infant mortality, well it will be even higher because now you want to use my tax dollars to perform abortions. You want an abortion, pay for the darn thing yourself, no one is stopping you from doing that, but ask me to pay for it, hell no.

Oh and BTW, it’s now March and not one dime paid by Medicare or Medicaid so far this year for the patients. Last year it was the end of April before we received any payments on our patients. Will you work, prime, if you have a job, for 3 to 4 months with out a paycheck? Doubt it.

It is more than obvious that what she was saying was that once the bill is passed, people will see what real impact it has on their lives.  At that point, the ridiculous lies that have been perpetuated by FOX/GOP will fade away, since they reflect nothing from the actual legislation.
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If this bill is *so* great JJDumbo, why not let us see it BEFORE we’re forced to pay for it? Oh, because we won’t support it.

You’re a traasnparent fool.

Ha. Sure. We’ll see what’s considered a failure a year from now. 

Here’s the reason, or one of them, that they have now officially scheduled the House bill markup for Monday; they know they have the votes. And one of the reasons they know is that the Stupak bloc is collapsing: 

Now that it has been confirmed the House leadership is going around the Stupak bloc, it appears the Stupak bloc is crumbling.  Check out this CQ article where four potential Stupak bloc members disavow their membership:

Charlie Wilson , D-Ohio, who in November supported a Stupak-sponsored abortion amendment to the House-passed health care package ( HR 3962 ) and passage of the amended bill, is among those who has reconsidered his position. He said Thursday he is willing to vote for the Senate bill. Wilson said that while he would welcome any additional guarantee that no federal funds would be used to pay for abortions, he will not withhold his support if the bill is not changed.

“I’m opposed to abortion, and I think the language in there is pretty clear that it is not something that pays for abortion,” he said [...]
Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio, said she wanted the abortion language changed, but stopped short of saying it is a deal-breaker for her. “I would not easily give over my vote for the bill” if changes are not made, she said.
An aide to James L. Oberstar , also previously thought to be in Stupak’s group, said the Minnesota Democrat is undecided. “He hasn’t ruled out anything, including voting for the Senate bill if that’s an interim step to a better compromise,” said spokesman John Schadl.
A spokesman for Steve Driehaus , an Ohio Democrat, said his boss has not changed his position opposing federal funding for abortion but had not decided how to vote. “He’ll decide how he’ll vote once he knows exactly what the House will be considering,” press secretary Tim Mulvey said in an e-mail.
Unless a member of Congress says they will vote against the bill without the Stupak amendment, then that member of Congress is not in the Stupak bloc.  These four members–Dreihaus, Kaptur, Oberstar and Wilson–all equivocate here.  There is simply no “Stupak or else” language coming from their offices.  They are not Stupak bloc.

My daughter likes to pretend she’s a Princess in a Castle.
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The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, huh troll? You’re always pretending you have a thoughtful and well-reasoned opinion when truth be known, you just have your botcamp PowerPoint presentation and a yellow beanie. Your mediocrity is only eclipsed by your gullibility. Do shut up.

“You talk about a bill and you know for sure the future effects it will have.”

How does she know this?  Because the bill has the imprimatur of Thee One, and since he is infallible, beneficent, and full of goodness, the bill can do nothing but good for us, His devoted children, whom He loves.  Looking at Pelosi on the news today, talking about how glorious it is that Obama will be nearby to preside over the Divine Historicness of the bill’s passage, I was struck by how much her dopey blissed-out grin looked like that of a cult member enraptured by her blessed salvation in the true faith.

“This is the 21st century not the Dark Ages.”

Wanna bet?

Prime Obutt-your comment is patently absurd and your evidence nonexistent. Moreover, your posts are consistently nothing more than regurgitated claptrap from websites devoted to the adoration of the Obamessiah. You can slice than bovine excrement until it is as transparent as you are but it will still be bullshit.

“Even by NQ standards, you are unable to deal with actual debate. ”

What you engage in, creampuff, ain’t debate. It’s called hyperbole, hogwash, histrionics, and hooey. Your set of debating skills could be summarized on the back of a matchbook, leaving plenty of room for an advertisement or two. You really need to refrain from parading your abyssmal ignorance around with such reckless abandon.

the legislation looks pretty good, doesn’t it?
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How can it look good when we haven’t sen it, dink?

And as a matter of fact, it doesn’t even sound good.

And the Beatles referenced this Firesign Theatre skit in their song “Rocky Raccoon”–everyone knew her as Nancy.  Everything a big scrambled mess but somehow condensed down into a mere 2700 pages, like so much who-knows-what-meat squeezed into 2700 neat little pig intestine casings.  We can thank Thee One and Nancy for sparing us the trauma of watching this being made.  But it’s going to be delicious!  We’re going to love it!  Yum Yum Yum Slobber Slobber!  Let me at it!

And the Beatles referenced this Firesign Theatre skit in their song “Rocky Raccoon”–everyone knew her as Nancy.  Everything a big scrambled mess but somehow condensed down into a mere 2700 pages, like so much who-knows-what-meat squeezed into 2700 neat little pig intestine casings.  We can thank Thee One and Nancy for sparing us the trauma of watching this being made.  But it’s going to be delicious!  We’re going to love it!  Yum Yum Yum Slobber Slobber!  Can’t wait for a steaming serving!

It is, and it makes me crazy. For most of my life I have been a pro-choice person. Right now I am so angry that someone would take it upon themselves to decide that my tax dollars will be appointed to cover abortions, therefore involving me in what I peviousy saw as a personal choice. If this is the case I can see myself switiching my opinion on this issue, just as quickly as I left the dem party. I believe in the right to choose, and I also believe it is that person’s responsibility to carry out the choice that has been made. I do not owe financial support to this decision. It will become a moral issue if I am now involved in paying for this choice.Once my wages as applied to taxes are taken to fund this action, I become involved, which is not what I would choose to be.

“Health care reform” in German:

Kuhscheiße

You work in health care? And you think this bill causes any federal money whatsoever to go into health care? If you’re an Army mother I honor your family’s service to this nation with all my heart, but please forgive me for not taking your comments seriously, because they reflect a lack of knowledge of the reality of this legislation. 

As for doctors: you are suggesting that large numbers of physicians (I’ll ignore the fact that you actually said “most”) will leave the field when this legislation becomes law. That’s just one of those things that we’ll have to wait a few years to see how foolish that sentiment really is. 

And as for tort reform: we all know it’s necessary. Obama has added some provisions to begin that process into his proposed bill. But every expert I’ve ever read acknowledges that the savings to be had there are miniscule. 

You want to save the health care industry? We need real competition for the insurance companies, who take hundreds of billions of dollars per years out of the system to spend on administration, marketing, executive bonuses and corporate profit. Insane amounts of money that are wasted in no other modern nation on Earth. Only America, because we love Freedom ™, so health care apparently therefore must be a capitalist industry, even though the free market in health care leaves tens of thousands of Americans dead every year, hundreds of thousands of American households destitute, and our nation in deeper debt with each passing day. 

But yeah, let’s “start over from scratch,” meaning let’s not change anything for another decade, if ever. Because that’s what Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say we should do, and those are the people who truly have America’s best interests at heart. 

Sorry, Army Mom: like I said, I will honor a military family with every breath in my body, but you should take a step backward and compare military health care (government run, single payer) with what the average lower-middle class family is able to get on the free market. There’s no comparison. Government does it better, and much cheaper. We will go to a single-payer system within another 20 years, guaranteed. And once we do, our children will wonder why it took us so long.  

in my first sentence, i meant to say, “and you think this bill causes any money whatsoever go toward abortion.” Sorry.

As always, Ferd, you have nothing to say but the same insults. boring. 

Tastes like Chicken! :*

And you, Prime obotfly, have nothing but empty rhetoric to go along with an empty skull. And you’re far worse than boring–you’re a dangerous fool with mush for brains. You and your ilk are selling this great country down the river with your irresponsible points of view. I don’t need a nanny government under incompetent democrats any more than I needed a Daddy government under incompetent Republicans. If you and your kind can’t make it on your own without a handout–too bad. Get your own god damn health care and take your hand our of my pocket, shiftless.

Posting a list of bumper sticker sentiments as JJ Demo, Jackie, Dr. Dr., and you constantly do, is not debate Botfly. As Ferd has stated, it’s simple hyperbole, and in the case of this HC bill, a preposterous pipe dream. We had a nice “debate” on NQ a few days ago about the pros and cons of forced gender parity in our representative government, because everyone gave polite consideration to each other’s positions. Whenever YOU poke your Progressive snout into a thread, you do so with and insufferably smug, “Told ya so, told ya so, cause I’m soooooo much smarter than EVERYBODY” attitude. Most of your “points” are speculative, they are all prefaced with your bizarre predictive surety, like these: Obama’s going to do (insert ANYTHING).  The Dems are going to pass healthcare, and I’ll be here to gloat. The HC bill will be great. The economy will turn around because of what Obama has done. Because of Obama, the seas will stop rising, the world will keep spinning, and everything will be double plus good.

Constantly using what you THINK may happen, or WANT to happen, seems to be what you think is meaningful debate. Your “faith” that things will turn out the way you want them is not an argument that should be used in a debate, but that’s almost always what you attempt to do. You waste our time by posting your wishes as though they were facts, then you stomp your little feet if nobody bothers to respond, and then you assume you’ve won the debate, when the reality is that most of us don’t want to waste our time trying to point out how deluded you are, because it never seems to make a dent in your shield of ignorance. 

There is also your history of cowardice to consider. There have been countless times I can recall when I or someone else has given you a whopping knockout, and flash, you fly out of here like a fart in a whirlwind. No response, no defense, no reasoned comeback, no nothin’. And then you show up a few days later as though nothing happened, and when someone points out your previous hasty retreat, you “can’t recall that”, the way you did when you couldn’t remember your sissy fit promise to “NEVAH RETURN” until I had to remind you by posting your own words. Perhaps you became a ******PROFESSIONAL WRITER****** to feed yourself, and you should be getting morbidly obese from eating your own words. 

…And then the prince comes and kisses Sleeping Beauty and she awakens..Oh whoops, wrong fairy tale.

“You talk about a bill and you know for sure the future effects it will have.”  
 
How does she know this?  Because the bill has the imprimatur of Thee One, and since he is infallible, beneficent, and full of goodness, the bill can do nothing but good for us, His devoted children, whom He loves.  Looking at Pelosi on the news today, talking about how glorious it is that Obama will be nearby to preside over the Divine Historicness of the bill’s passage, I was struck by how much her dopey blissed-out grin looked like that of a cult member enraptured by her blessed salvation in the true faith.  
 
“This is the 21st century not the Dark Ages.”  
 
When religious fervor over a charismatic leader becomes such a dominant force, it seems like the Dark Ages may come again.

Perhaps you became a ******PROFESSIONAL WRITER****** to feed yourself, and you should be getting morbidly obese from eating your own words. 
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Snap! That was about the best slapdown I’ve seen on NQ.

That is the false choice rhetoric we are always subjected to. It’s either this crappy bill or nothing.  

A pig or a cat? What’s your pleasure?

My son was just home on leave, you know, he’s on that “great government healthcare for vets”, which he would tell you to your face, SUCKS!  He had a toothach, but he couldn’t use his healthcare up here because he wasn’t allowed. He would have to wait for 2 WEEKS when he arrived on post, to see a dentist that in his own words, was was worst than going to a animal hospital. In fact, he said he would be better off seeing an animal doctor. So don’t tell me about veteran care, it sucks. I know, I had to take my dad to a VA hospital most of his last ten years before he died.

Prime, you can read all the “experts” you want to, listen to the POS commander and his kabuki dances with his fake doctors, but you still will never get it because you are ignorant with what is wrong and how to change it just like congress is. This bill is not even close to being about healthcare, if it was, it would be available immediate, not years away. It would not include student loans in it and it certainly would not MANDATE insurance to those who don’t want it. We’re suppose to be taking care of those who want it, not those who don’t. It isn’t your right to have healthcare, it is a privilege. It isn’t your right or the government to tell someone what they have to buy or not. This bill is about government control. I’ve worked in healthcare a lot longer than Obama has been a “public servant” and I know a POS bill when I see it. And I know an Obama ass kisser when I see it, tag you’re it. 

Wowie Botfly! Krugman……..The NY Times………..

What else would you expect from one of Obama’s many catamites?

I’m glad your daughter has a good imagination. She’ll need it in a few years when she wises up, and tries to imagine that you’re not her dad.

Do you want Prime Obot to STFU?

There’s about as much chance of that as there is that the HC bill will not be a huge disaster if it passes.

That’s lovely, Onofre, except that only in this tiny corner of the web can any of you even pretend to be “right” or have any superior understanding of any of these issues. I heard all the same crap in 2008, when basically every single thing that anyone here said turned out to be wrong, and everything I predicted turn out to be right. Obama being “unelectable?” Democrats abandoning him by the millions? McCain being the real centrist? Sarah Palin taking America by storm? Any of that ring a bell? 

As for the professional writer thing: jeez louise, you are the only one who ever brings that up. I’m doing my best to ignore your constant attempts to personalize things with me, so I don’t respond, but…come on already. 

I’m sure I”m guilty of not returning to these threads at some points. My time is limited. I’m sure I’ve abandoned conversations in the middle. I’ll do my best not to in the future. I can assure it isn’t because I’m intimidated by the repartee or the shower of facts explaining why Barack Obama didn’t really win the election, isn’t really an America, actually hates all America, is a Communist, a socialist, or a fascist, is a criminal, is African, wants to kill Grandma, wants to destroy this nation, or any of the rest of the nonsense that passes for mainstream opinion on this website.  

If we don’t like this meaty delight, we may have to call the HazMat team to dispose of it.

Do you want Prime Obot to STFU? 
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The short answer is, “yes”. The long answer is, “hell yes”. But as the sun always rises in the East, Prima Botta will cotinue to pollute an otherwise fine website with his stream of unconsciousness.

Wow that’s entertainment!

Never have I seen someone write so much but say so little. You aren’t so much a writer as a bamboozler. Shoo, troll.

That’s pretty much you in a nutshell, Onofre. You’re here for the adrenaline rush you get from spewing venom. I can scarcely imagine how sad a person’s real life must be to leave them in a state where heedlessly and pointlessly insulting the relationship a complete stranger has with his young daughter gives one pleasure. You are sad, and many people here (Amy? Larry?) must be quite embarrassed to read such comments from some of their most active members.   

Ferd, you actually think this health care bill is going to take money from you to pay for someone else, don’t you? You actually believe that that is how it’s going to work, because that’s what Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh told you? You’re an idiot. 

Yeah, but there’s no RCRA landfill licensed to take that sort of toxic goo.

PObutt, I know a shell game when I see one and also know the difference between good policy and a power grab. This bullshit is not good policy and will not work, irrespective of your irrational commentary.

You are nothing more than a paid shill, lying about this bill, its contents, and its potential effect on this country. I find you both a dnagerous fool and a liar. How does that work for you, twerp?

Now you’re setting up straw men. I never expressed any of the views you’ve put in your first paragraph. When Obama won the primary (notice I didn’t say he stole it) I knew he would probably win because I had little faith that McCain could mount a decent campaign. Choosing Palin made it a lot closer than it might have been, and it was a choice that so scared the shit out of the Dems, that they and a compliant MSM engaged in one of the worst ad hominem attacks in history. I’m cynical enough to realize that the general intelligence of this country has fallen so badly over the years, you’re a prime example, that a complete cipher like Obama would surf that ignorance like it was a wave, into the White House. I also predicted that, when he won, his popularity would immediately start to fall the moment the honeymoon was over, people started to really know him, and he would eventually be despised by the majority when everyone except the most delusional nitwits (you again) started to realize that he was pathological liar, a Narcissist, and a megalomaniac. I would say from the facts at hand, that my predictions are proving to be far more prescient than your pie in the sky wishes. 

Ferd’s back!

We’re not idiots. We know the bill hasn’t passed yet.

lol good for you, Candymarl!  Way to tell ‘em.  I was sitting here stunned trying to figure out if he could really be so literal as to not understand what you were saying!

When religious fervor over a charismatic leader becomes such a dominant force, it seems like the Dark Ages may come again.  

oowawa, you just spoke my mind.  I was about to remind everyone that we have left science behind, and are back in the era of blind faith in this Age Of Obama the Messiah….

How I hope you are right.  Guess I’m just past trusting the Dims on anything.

You have to see this:
http://www.gop.gov/blog/10/02/25/159-ways-the-senate-bill

Feb 25, 2010
Courtesy of the Senate Republican Policy Committee:
Here is a list of new boards, bureaucracies, and programs created in the 2,733 page Senate health care bill, which serves as the framework for President Obama’s health proposal:

Yeah, Annie, I come back when I have time. This porkulus nonsense didn’t create any jobs where I work–just longer hours and less time at home. Another lie from the loonie dimbulbs running this country into the ground. I’m sure, though, that Prime Obut, being an expert at everything llittle thing uner the sun and omniscient to boot, will argue with me about my work.

I don’t know, Ferd.  I think a few of these guys really believe the unicorn stuff.  I mean, who agrees to something without seeing it?  Certainly not a mature, experienced, or wise person.  This type of bot is the same type of person who thought Obama was going to pay their bills.  They seem to have some kind of void and are filling it with blind infatuation….   it’s gonna be some hard landing…

The American sense of humor, our love for ridiculing deserving targets, and our ability to field a strong contingent of powerful iconoclasts, may end up being our best weapons to defeat the current bunch of thin skinned, lily livered, foppish, and foolishly arrogant bunch of jackasses we have as leaders.  

The American sense of humor, our love for ridiculing deserving targets, and our ability to field a strong contingent of powerful iconoclasts, may end up being our best weapons to defeat the current bunch of thin skinned, lily livered, foppish, and foolishly arrogant jackasses we have as leaders.  

Yeah, lorac, these obamatrons comment as though they are k-a-t smart but then expose their complete gullibility by extolling the virtues of a bill that they haven’t even read (even if they could read) because it isn’t available for review.

Since you seem to like Krugman’s judgment, I guess when you heard him saying that Hillary was the better candidate, you worked to elect Hillary?

“many people here (Amy? Larry?) must be quite embarrassed to read such comments from some of their most active members.”

Wow, troll. You certainly have some gall to make such assumptions. I’m of the opinion that perhaps everyone here is actually tired of your lame one-act skit that seems to be on perpetual hold-over. Try another venue, like huffnpuffpo where you’d get some stiff competition in the over-embellished dreck department.

Oh the humanity, not the kitties or the bunnies! =-O

Christ, another 159 useless entities to go with the cast of thousands we already have. We need to throw out the entire Congress and start over.

Oh go blow your nose Botfly, and spare us your haughty sanctimony. This is the second day in a row where you’ve dragged your poor daughter into this forum. Yesterday you implied that your four year old daughter is wiser than most of us, and today you’ve intimated that we’re all in some sort of make believe land by comparing our understanding of the world to your daughter’s imagination. It’s YOU, you stinking coward, who’s essentially insulting all of us from behind the cover of your daughter’s little pink skirt. It’s YOU who should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you won’t be, you have the integrity of a banana slug.

We’ll see what’s considered a failure a year from now.

Why? Does it take you 2 years to process the obvious?
The speaker of the house has signaled that the chairman of the rules committee will use UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions, in a vain attempt to pass this monstor. There is no other example of this crap ever being done in the entire history of this nation. .
On the face of it PBOT, you have admitted for all to see that, you have zero regard for the Constitution of the United States.

That doesn’t concern you. Sick.

And another thing, why the fuck don’t you spend more time with your four year old daughter, than you spend here constantly vomiting up your bile. Look back on all of your posts. How many “like”s do you see. You’re not wanted or liked here, even though you could be, but you can’t seem to realize that all you ever do is gloat and rub everyone’s noses in the shit your Messiah craps out. And like the big fat pussy that you are, you squeal like a piglet when some one like me grabs you by the scruff of the neck, and rubs YOUR nose in your OWN shit. And then you run off crying to Amy and Larry “Help me! Help me! Onofre’s arm has grabbed me by the short hairs!”. You’re beneath contempt ya little weenie.

From NQ the other night:

A small army with barbed tongues vs. the large army with forked tongues…

this country is going bankrupt.

And you just came to this conclusion?

I think Nancy has visions of being enshrined along with thee one as part of the unholy trinity. No doubt she is going to be remembered…

I just don’t understand nancy’s getting away with “buy and see”. Absolutely ludicrous, On the other hand, I do not understand any elected, career politician voting for a bill against his own and his constituents wishes. I do not understand the “Save my Presidency” mentality being allowed to determine what is or is not legislation good for the country.

I’ll answer for Tricia

YOU PO! YOU

Reading that was like watching “Fargo“. Thanks for link Katmoon.

It is odd how the demodonuts think “grant” is not comprised of tax dollars.

Get your government job now before they run out of nifty titles.

PO you should leave your little one at home, seriously this is no place for anyone below voting age.

Exactly sows!

Hm, well, I suppose it’s possible that you were one person back then that predicted Obama’s victory. I was here a lot (as SFHillary, as I started out the primaries as a Hillary) and do not recall very many NQers who thought Obama had any kind of chance of winning. Your contention that Palin made the election closer is, um, interesting. Your contention that she was the victim of “one of the worst ad hominem attacks in history” is simply demented. The mainstream media gave Palin several weeks of some the loveliest creampuffery in media history; it wasn’t until she started giving live interviews and people realized she was a blithering idiot that some of the negative reviews began. And yes, of course, it’s only that America has gotten so stupid that Obama was able to win. Of course. That goes without saying. You’re a genius. 

You know, you say stuff like this and I wonder whether you really have any idea whatsoever what you’re talking about. You do realize that the bill does already exist, don’t you, and has existed, available for public review, for about two months? It’s called the Senate bill, it has already passed the Senate, it’s about to pass the House, and then there will be a second, much smaller, reconciliation measure, limited to a number of very specific budget-related points, which both houses must also pass. The broad outlines (and much of the specifics) of the final bill that will be signed within two weeks by the president have been known, and studied, and widely commented on, for a couple months now. Only in NQ Fantasyland does the bill not exist. 

I haven’t the faintest idea where you work or what you do, Ferd, so I can hardly comment. I’m happy for you that you’re apparently well employed; so many aren’t. And your note that your employer is pushing up your hours without yet hiring more squares precisely what almost always happens at the beginning of a recovery from a bad recession: employers have more work to get done as the economy improves, but aren’t confident enough to take on more payroll, so they squeeze more out of their existing staff. This is why productivity numbers go up before employment numbers do (and indeed, U.S. productivity numbers have skyrocketed the past two quarters, even as unemployment was still rising and then stalling and now finally dropping a little). However, things are quite likely to continue to improve: 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/stimulus-bucks-start-flying/story?id=10055407

This is why your comment about the stimulus bill was (as usual) ignorant and wrong. I have said repeatedly here that the big stimulus spending has barely gotten started. Now here’s a mainstream article that confirms that. 

To look at the bigger picture: the economy is recovering. Unemployment is starting to drop. The big-budget stimulus money is going to pour into the state systems this spring and summer, dropping unemployment even more, even as retail spending last month was much stronger than expected, indicating even faster recovery: 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100312/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy

So, as the economy recovers more quickly, and we continue to decimate Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan/Pakistan, the American people will also be digesting an enormous Democratic victory on this health care bill (you know, the one that will guarantee tens of millions of lower-middle-class swing voters health insurance and health care, no matter what their personal health or employment status, for the first time in their lives). And yet you all think that this presidency is failing. And I’m an idiot for thinking otherwise. 

Uh huh.  

would that be the short and curlies?

Well, actually, it’s really only Onofre and Ferd who get so stimulated by spewing invective toward me. A number of other folks here have actually had interesting conversations with me. But when I’m actually engaged in civil dialogue, Onofre and Ferd are nowhere to be found. Gee, I wonder why that is? 

It’s true, I did mention my daughter in passing a couple times the past couple days. I guess in your worldview that makes it okay for you to crack jokes about her wishing that I wasn’t her father. Whatever. Most people here, regardless of our differing political viewpoints, aren’t nearly so emotionally venal and pathetic. But that’s the Internet; anonymity brings out people’s true character. And yours is…well, everyone here knows what yours is. Ever notice that nobody ever backs up your statements about how stupid I am and how everyone wants me to leave? Frankly, what’s more surprising to me — and I mean this at both Ferd and Onofre — is that nobody politely asks you to behave more civilly yourself. You are both truly embarrassments. I’m just an active member here who happens to enjoy being a rare dissenter from the anti-Obama NQ mainstream. You two are truly ugly spirits. I repeat what I said: I cannot help but think that you embarrass the people here who aren’t so emotionally stunted as to derive such emotional pleasure from spewing hatred.  I don’t know how else to put it. Your commentary (and lack of any other kind of commentary) is truly startling. And I think anyone who reads these threads day after day knows exactly what I’m talking about. 

I refer back to my previous post. You have only one point on your dial: hate. Hate toward me, hate toward Obama. And glee at spewing insults. Thankfully, there are many voices here other than yours. And your opinion of whether I am wanted here is meaningless, because you aren’t one of the voices here that means anything. And I’m quite sure that most people know it.

Hands up! Who likes Prime Obot? 

 
 
The character here is sooooooooo much like the Botfly. Repeated assurances that he’s not liked here don’t penetrate his cast iron skull. There must be some sort of psychological term for someone who’s so sick, that they want to hang around in groups that don’t like them.

I do respect Krugman quite a bit. i also respect Hillary quite a bit. Those of you who were around in 2008 might recall my previous incarnation, SFHillary. Yes, I did support her at the very beginning. I concluded very quickly, though, that Obama was the superior candidate and far more likely to win the general election, so by the end I was supporting him. As it turns out, I’m pretty sure Hillary would have easily defeated McCain (although McCain probably wouldn’t have selected Palin as his running mate if he’d been running against HRC, so it might have been a bit harder for her), and I’m now also pretty sure Hillary would have been as strong a president as Obama. She impresses the hell out of me. In fact, I’ll make the same prediction now that I’ve made many times on this site: depending on the state of Biden’s health and desire to stay hard at work in a couple years, I could very easily see him retiring and Hillary replacing him on Obama’s 2012 ticket in order to set her up to run for the presidency in 2016. I still see Hillary as the single most likely person to become the first female president (though I believe she will only make it if Obama wins reelection). And yes, for sure, if she ever runs for president, I will work my heart out for her.  

Let me repeat what I wrote above, since you guys still don’t seem to get it: “the bill” is the Senate bill, all 2700 pages of it, which was passed by the Senate two months ago, and will now be passed by the House next week. All that is changing is the additional reconciliation measures, which will change some tax and other provisions in order to make the bill more palatable to House liberals. The basic contours of the bill have not, and will not, and cannot, change. If the Senate bill changed even one iota, it would have to be revoted on in the Senate, and after Massachusetts, the Democrats no longer have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Thus, the need for the House to vote on the exact Senate bill and then pass a secondary reconciliation measure.  Okay? 

The funny thing is, even as I write this long, precise, and entirely accurate posts, the responses are how stupid I am and I know nothing. It’s pretty funny, actually, and I know there must be plenty of people reading along who understand that what I am saying is exactly true. But whatever, that’s NQ. 

That is a bizarre and unsupportable interpretation of what they are doing. You’re asserting that Congress will violate Constitutional law? And that nobody will do anything about it?  

No, it’s been obvious for years now. Under Bill Clinton we actually achieved a budget surplus, but Bush torched us completely. This bill, which the CBO says will save over $100 billion in the first decade, and many commentators believe will do even better, is the first dose of fiscal sanity we’ve seen since the late 90s. 

Anybody, and I do mean ANYBODY, who has had a satisfying exchange or debate with Prime Obot, hit the “like” critique on this comment.

If anything, it could expose all of the America hating Progressives who would like Botfly.

You know what PO where all different, personalities, humor, tolerance etc.
I find many too serious on occasions but we all have a different makeup.
However you do take things too personally and that’s how it all gets going.
This has not just started today it’s been going on months as you always react emotionally or personally.
Sometimes a little humor will carry you a long way, lets face it many only have their humor to carry them along these days.

I did notice Onofre’s arm did state you’re not wanted or liked here, even though you could be so maybe lightening up a little occasionally could help? However I am only a woman and blond what the hell do I know!

[...] in the bill they are supposed to be voting for, but it’s Obama vacation time. The eventual mess of a bill that emerges is in trouble as more and more Dimocrats say they won’t buy a pig in a [...]

The nomination was robbed from Hillary by most of the media and by Harry Reid & his gang of conspirators. I think that Harry Reid deserves to lose in November because no other person is more responsible for Obama winning and Hillary losing than Reid is in my opinion. Harry Reid’s sins are so great that I would even help his Republican opponent regardless of who it is because the greater good is punishing Harry Reid for what he did to Hillary, for what he did to the country by irresponsibly encouraging Obama to run behind closed doors because he did not like Hillary as a candidate, and for being an ineffective majority leader:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15744

VIDEO: Dan Abrams asked about Hillary’s primary loss “Is it the media’s fault?”

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2008 – 5:58pm.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15744#comment-309677

There is NO question in my opinion of anti-Hillary media bias…

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2008 – 6:07pm.

The recent book “Game Change” by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann credibly documents that Harry Reid is directly responsible for encouraging Obama to run because he did not like Hillary as a candidate and how Reid led a behind the scenes conspiracy of Senators who privately backed Obama even when they were publicly on the record as being either “neutral” or being “for Hillary:”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31318.html

‘Game Change’ disputes Reid’s Obama timeline

By MANU RAJU | 1/10/10 12:09 PM EST

“A new book disputes Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s account of his attempts to persuade Barack Obama to run for president — saying they started a year earlier and played out differently than Reid has previously suggested.

“Game Change,” co-authored by journalists Mark Halperin and John Heilemann, reveals that Reid was pushing Obama in the summer of 2006 to consider running for president, suggesting that Reid was concerned early on that Hillary Clinton would lose the White House and undercutting the majority leader’s public stance that he was neutral in the race…”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/us/politics/11reidweb.html 

G.O.P. Chairman Urges Reid to Step Down Over Remarks

By JEFF ZELENY and JOSEPH BERGER
Published: January 10, 2010

“Mr. Reid’s remarks were contained in “Game Change,” a newly published account of the 2008 presidential race by political journalists John Heilemann and Mark Halperin. The book reported that Mr. Reid privately urged Mr. Obama, then a freshman senator, to seek the presidency in the fall of 2006 despite his limited experience and the historical obstacles to making such a run…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/12/game-change-harry-reid-wa_n_420017.html

Jason Linkins

jason@huffingtonpost.com | HuffPost Reporting

‘Game Change’: Harry Reid Was Chief Encourager Of Obama’s Presidential Run, Lest We Forget

First Posted: 01-12-10 10:50 AM   |   Updated: 01-12-10 11:10 AM

The media also has no legitimate right to complain about Obama right now when they gave him a near free ride to both the nomination and to The White House without seriously vetting him or asking him the tough questions:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17709

Keith Olbermann and many others in the media CANNOT complain about Obama now!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 22, 2009 – 1:42pm.

The media are getting just what they deserve right now in my opinion. Hopefully they will learn their lesson from this when they cover future elections!

Mitch Dworkin

“You do realize that the bill does already exist, don’t you, and has existed, available for public review, for about two months?”

That POS bill available for review isn’t the one they’re yammering about, though, you moron. Your inability to acknowledge the subterfuge going on here only demonstrates that you would insist the sky is green if Obama, Redi, and Pelousi said so.

What do you do for an encore, asshat, engage in gainsay? Oh, wait, that is all you do. Setting a good example for your daughter to emulate never crossed your shriveled mind, now did it, dink?

Why do you inisist upon diverisonary dissertations in response to simple statements? Once again, you miss the point, divert attention, and off-gas, typing a lot of meaningless crap that is officious at best. Give that overworked and abused keyboard of yours a rest,

SFHillary was not pro-HRC by a long shot and I recall her abusing a lot of regulars with her brand of illogic, which though sophomoric was still better than yours, Obutt.  No, SGF Hillary was a mental giant compared to you, half-pint.

“This bill, which the CBO says will save over $100 billion in the first decade”

That is an empty prediction and not a fact, OButt. Try again. They may as well read tea leaves, entrails, or toss a set of loaded dice. You want us to bet not only the farm but the country on that group of crap artists? Like I said before, you’re a gullible fool.

Hillary would not take another backseat to Obama.  Why should she step into the VP slot if Biden leaves?  Guess you missed your chance to see Hillary take the lead, PO.  As if you ever really wanted to see it.  Hillary would not have let Nancy Pelosi take control of her legislative agenda.  Obama has bowed to her at every turn like he’s a’skeered of her.

Really? The Senate bill isn’t the one that the House is going to vote on next week, and the bill that will form the basis for health care reform for the next decade? Or is it just the reconciliation measures that you’re talking about now? Do you even know the difference? You talk about the reshaping of half the economy, blah blah blah, as though that legislation hasn’t been seen, but it has been seen; it’s called the Senate bill. And you call me stupid? 

Actually, considering that I’m one of only 2 or 3 Obama supporters who posts here regularly, and every time I open my mouth I’m showered with pointless, meaningless abuse by these bozos, which I never (ever) give back in equal measures (I do snap at them some, I’ll admit), I think I’ve shown pretty good humor. The bottom line is, either NQ is a site that only wants members who hate Obama and are focused on trashing him, or it’s a site that welcomes people of all political stripes who are here to engage in serious discussion of issues. If the latter, than people should point out to the likes of Ferd and Onofre that howling about the stupidity of anyone who dares to speak an opposing viewpoint is neither polite nor mature nor productive. If you want to be the former, well, then carry on, and I’ll accept the ad hominem invective as the price one pays for choosing to state one’s contrary opinion here.

In honor of your joking self-assessment as a blonde, I’ll tell you my favorite blonde joke.

Q: What’s a blonde with 2 brain cells?
A: (surf down)

Pregnant.  

SFHillary was a he, it was me, and I have never, ever trashed Hillary Clinton. I consider her husband the best president this nation has had since who knows when — maybe FDR — and I consider HRC herself to be one of the most impressive public servants and politicians of our era. And I absolutely will support her, with time, money and effort, if she ever runs for public office again. I only switched names because at some point SFHillary got caught up in this site’s crazy old spam filter and I wasn’t able to log in and post under that name. I actually corresponded with SusanUnPC about it but they were never able to straighten it out. So eventually I switched names. 

I see. She wouldn’t take a back seat to Obama so she became his Secretary of State. You really think she would pass up the chance to be America’s first female Vice President, with a great shot at running for president in 2016? She’d be a little old by then, but younger still than Reagan was, and if she was still healthy it would hardly be out of the question. 

I have no idea if it would happen. Another option I’ve heard rumored is that she’s on Obama’s short list for the next Supreme Court vacancy. 

As for Pelosi: when this health care bill passes, she will be arguably its greatest hero, and she will cement her place in history as one of the House’s great Speakers. I understand that because she has supported Barack Obama, on this site Nancy Pelosi is reviled as some kind of evil anti-democratic whatever. In the real world, she’s a powerful leader of the Democratic Party, thus a hero to progressive causes, and (let’s not forget) an historic figure in her own right as the nation’s first female Speaker of the House.  

I see. So now the Congressional Budget Office can’t be taken seriously either? From what authority, then, are we to accept best-guess assessments of the likely fiscal impact of complex legislation? Rush Limbaugh? Ferd Berfle? 

I’ll take the CBO, thanks. 

The insults are meaningless. If they had any impact on me whatsoever I would be long gone. What I want from you, Ferd, are facts, not inane assertions like “shell game.” The CBO says this bill will save tens of billions. Nobel Prize-winning economists like Paul Krugman strongly support it (although Krugman has long been critical of Obama and considers the Clinton plan from 1993 somewhat superior, as it was more progressive and closer to a national public option). For that matter, the vast majority of economists support it. And a solid majority of Americans support its individual provisions, when asked about them separately. 

But you see a “shell game.” Explain why, and offer evidence, or don’t expect to be taken seriously by anyone other than your fellow NQers, who, if Obama said the sky was blue, would call him a liar. 

Clara–Excellent point!

Well, the senate bill was a disater!  I read the damn thing (and it was only about 2200 pages long) so where do these extra pages come in?  There are still mnay mysteries not to mention the incomprehensible provisions of the main bill.  (BTW–I have the right training and background, so I should have been able to understand it better than the average Congressman.  It was a mess–as if written by lawyers and insurance companies

Well thankgoodness my pregnant days are over!! I have no idea what to use an an excuse now!

 My time is limited.. (the major pumkin patch is so demanding)

and so are your critical thinking skills.

A big ROLF!

Hey Bot Wad, if it was the Senate bill then the CBO would have it scored yesterday, it ain’t and they can’t.

But of course comprehending the obvious is not in your cognitive ability skill set.

My daughter likes to pretend she’s a Princess in a Castle.

Bot Wad, has some very sad habits of using his offspring for examples sake.

Bot Wad.

Answer me this riddle, ’cause it is the 4th time I asked you.

If it is the senate bill, then why could the CBO not score it?

I make no assertion, I am stating facts. Try and keep up PBot. I know you do not have much understanding of the Constitution of the United States.

What Loise Slaughter Charwomen of the House rules Comitte has said she will do , with the approval of the SOH and democratic leadership is a crime and a violation of the Constitution. A bill can not be passed by rule or fiat.

I make no assertion, I am stating facts. Try and keep up PBot. I know you do not have much of an understanding of the Constitution of the United States. 
 
What Loise Slaughter Chairwomen of the House Rules Committee has said she will do , with the approval of the SOH and democratic leadership is a crime and a violation of the Constitution. A bill can not be “considered” passed by rule or fiat. BO stated he wanted an up or down vote. BULLSHIT.

Which “bill”? The one I am not allowed to read? The one the Dems “promised” there would be 72 hours to read?
The one that was on CSPAN?

Yikes.

prime obot–I like that you are here, especially when you make substantive points that we can actually think about.  Keeps us sharp, even if we don’t agree with you in most ways.

You have to pass the Bill so you can find out what’s in it!

Laughed my FA off.

You can’t make this shit up.

You have to pass the Bill so you can find out what’s in it! 
 
Laughed my FA off. 
 
You can’t make up  shit  like this. 

You have to pass the Bill so you can find out what’s in it! 
 
Laughed my FA off. 
 
You can’t make up shit like this.  Please God, take her to another planet, far, far away.