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Tom Hanks, Don’t Know Much ‘Bout History. . .

* Bumped up *

Time for Sam Cooke to start singing (see the end of this piece). Maybe we can blame this on Castaway? Did Tom Hanks spend too much time baking his noggin under a tropical sun followed by an extended period of holding his breath underwater? You know, oxygen deprivation. Heretofore I have admired Hanks for what he did with Saving Private Ryan followed by the HBO series, Band of Brothers. The latter, produced with Stephen Spielbrerg, is a work of sheer genius, paying homage to the soldiers who fought in the European theater and providing a war story that you can watch repeatedly and always find something new.

Unfortunately, that was then. Hanks, while making the rounds hawking his newest work, The Pacific, is quoted saying this piece of idiocy:

“Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?”

Tom Hanks, what is your excuse for this stupitity?

The surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, followed by multiple invasions across the Pacific–Philippines, Singapore, Midway, etc–was not a case of us “wanting to annihilate” Japs because they were “different.” Good God!!!

Victor Hanson Davis has a tremendous piece over at PJTV. He writes:

Hanks thinks he is trying to explain the multifaceted Pacific theater in terms of a war brought on by and fought through racial animosity. That is ludicrous. Consider:

1) In earlier times, we had good relations with Japan (an ally during World War I, that played an important naval role in defeating imperial Germany at sea) and had stayed neutral in its disputes with Russia (Teddy Roosevelt won a 1906 Nobel Peace Prize for his intermediary role). The crisis that led to Pearl Harbor was not innately with the Japanese people per se (tens of thousands of whom had emigrated to the United States on word of mouth reports of opportunity for Japanese immigrants), but with Japanese militarism and its creed of Bushido that had hijacked, violently so in many cases, the government and put an entire society on a fascistic footing. We no more wished to annihilate Japanese because of racial hatred than we wished to ally with their Chinese enemies because of racial affinity. In terms of geo-strategy, race was not the real catalyst for war other than its role among Japanese militarists in energizing expansive Japanese militarism.

2) How would Hanks explain the brutal Pacific wars between Japanese and Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, Japanese and Filipinos, and Japanese and Pacific Islanders, in which not hundreds of thousands perished, but many millions? In each of these theaters, the United States was allied with Asians against an Asian Japan, whose racially-hyped “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere,” aimed at freeing supposedly kindred Asians from European and white imperialism, flopped at its inauguration (primarily because of high-handed Japanese feelings of superiority and entitlement, which, in their emphasis on racial purity, were antithetical to the allied democracies, but quite in tune with kindred Axis power, Nazi Germany.)

3) Much of the devastating weaponry used on the Japanese (e.g., the B-29 fire raids, or the two nuclear bombs) were envisioned and designed to be used against Germany (cf. the 1941 worry over German nuclear physics) or were refined first in the European theater (cf. the allied fire raids on Hamburg and Dresden). Much of the worst savagery of the war came in 1945 when an increasingly mobilized and ever more powerful United States steadily turned its attention on Japan as the European theater waned and then ended four months before victory in the Pacific theater. Had we needed by 1945 to use atomic bombs, or massive formations of B-29s when they came on line, against Hitler, we most certainly would have.

We should also point out that for many Americans, initially in 1941-2, the real war was with the Japanese, not the Germans (despite an official policy of privileging the European theater in terms of supply and manpower), but not because of race hatred, but due to the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.

Until then (Hitler would in reaction unwisely declare war on the U.S. on December 11, 1941) Germany had been careful to maintain the pretense of non-belligerency, while Japan chose to start a war through a rather treacherous surprise assault at a time of nominal peace — thus inciting furor among the American public.

Despite Hanks’ efforts at moral equivalence in making the U.S. and Japan kindred in their hatreds, America was attacked first, and its democratic system was both antithetical to the Japan of 1941, and capable of continual moral evolution in a way impossible under Gen. Tojo and his cadre. It is quite shameful to reduce that fundamental difference into a “they…us” 50/50 polarity. Indeed, the most disturbing phrase of all was Hanks’ suggestion that the Japanese wished to “kill” us, while we in turn wanted to “annihilate” them. Had they developed the bomb or other such weapons of mass destruction (and they had all sorts of plans of creating WMDs), and won the war, I can guarantee Hanks that he would probably not be here today, and that his Los Angeles would look nothing like a prosperous and modern Tokyo.

4) What is remarkable about the aftermath of WWII is the almost sudden postwar alliance between Japan and the U.S., primarily aimed at stopping the Soviets, and then later the communist Chinese. In other words, the United States, despite horrific battles in places like Iwo Jima and Okinawa, harbored little official postwar racial animosity in its foreign policy, helped to foster Japanese democracy, provided aid, and predicated its postwar alliances — in the manner of its prewar alliances — on the basis of ideology, not race. Hanks apparently has confused the furor of combat — in which racial hatred often becomes a multiplier of emotion for the soldier in extremis — with some sort of grand collective national racial policy that led to and guided our conduct.

An innately racist society could not have gone through the nightmare of Okinawa (nearly 50,000 Americans killed, wounded, or missing), and yet a mere few months later have in Tokyo, capital of the vanquished, a rather enlightened proconsul MacArthur, whose deference to Japanese religion, sensibilities, and tradition ensured a peaceful transition to a rather radical new independent and autonomous democratic culture.

5) Hanks quips, “Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?” That is another unnecessary if asinine statement — if it refers to our struggle against radical Islam in the post 9/11 world. The U.S. has risked much to help Muslims in the Balkans and Somalia, freed Kuwait and Iraq in two wars against Saddam Hussein, liberated or helped to liberate Afghanistan both from the Russians and the Taliban, and has the most generous immigration policy toward Muslims of any country in the world, ensuring a degree of tolerance unimaginable to Muslims in, say, China or Russia. Hanks should compare the U.S. effort to foster democracy in Iraq with the Russian conduct in Chechnya to understand “what’s going on today.”

What is it about Pearl Harbor that Tom Hanks does not understand or appreciate? He owes the American people an apology for his thoughtless comment. Otherwise, his show should probably be ignored. I don’t believe in enabling boors and morons.

  • Retired

    Eric Massa, Tom Hanks, who will meltdown next?  They come in threes.  Nancy Pelosi, perhaps?

  • AbigailAdams

    I heard this in passing somewhere this week and filed it under “Oh, that’s not true.  I’m sure he’ll be hearing from some of the WWII vets who are still on the planet.  And anyone else who knows the history of the Pacific theater.  I don’t think it’s anything to worry about — except for most of America’s youth who have already had most of their U.S. History texts gutted by uber-liberal kumbaya people.

  • buzzlatte

    Hanks was either sleeping or skipping class the day they studied the Pacific Theater of WWII.

    Perhaps he didn’t want to piss off the manchildinchief since he’s been invited to the WH.

    Apollo 13 and Band of Brothers have also gone down a notch in our viewing list because of the racist nonsense.  It’s Hanks’ jumping the shark moment.

  • sowsear

    Thank you, Larry, for putting up something new tonight for us to chew upon.
    My first thought is, however, that Hanks may be a good actor, but he is an actor. He is not a scholar, a historian, or even someone who has studied for himself the relationship between America and Japan. Furthermore, I gather from his conclusion that today’s problems are similar to our WWII problems with Japan that he is just trying to manufacture something that gives him probable cause in his mind to make the comparison to today.
    I have never really been interested in movie stars or their views.(Even more so now with the majority who adore The Messiah)

  • Docelder

    There is this pervasive mantra building out there that we wage war in part due to racism. We have seen and tolerated film makers saying this same thing for a while now. The underlying message is that anglo people are somehow inherently evil, racist and usually religious zealots to boot. Yes, this does sound familiar. This is very destructive propaganda. It is one thing to welcome opinion and we all value free speech. But when we see unfounded anti-America propaganda then we need to call it what it is. The problem is we have all been shackled with chains of political correctness for too long. We need to be able to communicate freely and openly whenever we see this and call it for the bullshit that it is. It is bullshit. America has continues to stand for freedom. Not freedom of anglo people, but freedom for all people. I am sick to death of apologists and flat out liars. I think we need to boycott Hollywood until such a time that they get it. We don’t need them, they need us and I for one am sick of their bullshit.

  • sowsear

    A nervous breakdown might do her some good. A dose of Prozak…

  • confused American

    Well this the idealogy that  they are going to instill  our children’s  textbooks if we are not careful.

  • Texas Playwright

    Tom Hanks and so many of his hugely overpriced Hollywood pals think their faux celebrity equals true intelligence.  Idiots all.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Thanks, Larry.  What a jerk Hanks has become.  I’m with you.  If Tommy doesn’t recant and apologize, I’ll skip his series.  We have enough revisionist history going on. 

    I watched The Hurt Locker last night.  While, I’m sure  it isn’t completely correct (at least according to some of the more outspoken soldiers who have been there), it did give a sense of the horrible conditions in Iraq and the barbaric nature of war…along with the barbaric nature of Al Queda.  Wonder how Tommy feels about that film?  It was reported as being pretty neutral toward both sides but I did not see it as that way…which is fine…they’re telling a story.  It is hard to believe though that there aren’t racial slurs uttered in real life when someone is trying to blow you up.

    BTW, I was a small child during WWII but I can remember hating ToJo, Hitler and Mussolini.  My Uncles were fighting in Europe and those were the devils who put them there…I would feel it too weird if we felt guilty about that..

  • sowsear

    Apparently many of today’s textbooks are already being published with revisionist history.

  • My other site

    He’s obviously been listening to some New Left Revisionist historian.  I heard this stuff over and over in history classes back in the 80s.  Some stuff needs to be revised; some revision is plain propaganda. 

  • sowsear

    And what happens when BO takes over our educational system. Will we get more of what he and Ayers did for the Chicago school systerm?

  • My other site

    I doubt Tom Hanks “remembers” WWII. It’s pretty easy to criticize when you weren’t there.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Sex drugs and Rock ‘n Roll, add Tokyo Rose and racism. I have seen a number of cartoons of the time that were portaying Japanese as monkeys and all manor of beast. We did imprison Japanese civialians.

    I was looking forward to watching his latest when it comes out on DVD… I hope it is historically acurate and not racially commercial.

    Good article LJ, and I think I have another book to read. Not sure what I am supposed memorize.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Spot on.  I agree.  I was absolutely SHOCKED  when I heard that come out of Hanks mouth

    I know Hanks’ mind has not been the same since he was promoting Obama.  I can only assume he is in freak out mode, or trying Axelroves’s Organizing Obama style talking points.  You know, mock, intimidate, change history and oh, it’s all because “he looks funny with big ears and is a differnt color” tacic.  And maybe that’s why they were iin the WH theater on Thursday showing this to Weary Barry, that now BarryAkbar is in desperation mode for some good press that HE made a mini movie of the viewing of the movie the Pacific with Hanks and Spielberg and released THAT today.

    Can these losers shut up, do their job and stop trying to sell it, shove it or revise it?

  • helenk

    when I was a small child my father was in what they called the CBI theater of war. The English were building the Burma road and the Americans were building the Ledo road. The Americans were being attacked by both the Japanese and the Chinese Warlords. This was kept quiet as the Chinese were supposed to be our allies. Maybe Mr Hanks shoud see the movie Never So Few with Frank Sinatra. That is only place I ever saw any of this made public.
    As for it being racism the 2nd world war was for survival.
    Maybe he should go to the USS Midway in San Diego and listen to some of the vets who talk there to find  out what really happened.
    Maybe he should talk to some of the survivors of Japanese Prison Camps. Maybe he needs a trip to the Phillipines.
    The man is a fool.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • sowsear

    I was about 10 years old when the Japanese bombed Pearl harbor (I was home alone that day when the news came over the radio). I do remember how angry people were because of the “sneak attack”. Our neighbor’s son was killed in the air attack on the army base there. His poor mother never got over being a “gold star mother”.

  • SHV

    Tom Hanks may be partially right that WWII was a “race” war.  Just ask the Jews, Slavs. and other “sub-human” victims of German aggression or go to China, Korea, S.E. Asia and ask about the Japanese conquest.  Read about Chelmno, Treblinka, the “Rape of Nanking”….Hanks is an idiot…

  • Cindy

      think their faux celebrity equals true intelligence. 

    Texas Playwright— So true! 
    The only celebrity that I enjoy listening to is Charles Barkley. I of course don’t agree with Barkley about Obama; but other than that, I enjoy listening to his philosophy of life. The one thing Barkley has always said is (paraphrasing) ” don’t use me as a hero for your kids. I’m not a good example to use!”  
    It’s that honesty that endears him to me.
    Tom Hanks is not being honest. And he and other Lear Jet Liberals are allowing their white liberal guilt to dictate their thinking (and speaking!)
     I thought that once Obama was elected, that “guilt” might fade a little…but I think it’s getting worse.

  • Cindy

    Docelder–Excellent comment.

  • AnnieCarmel

    “Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?”
    Since Tom posed that question, I’ll give the answer.  No, Mr. Hanks that is not what’s happening today.  But there are people, the majority of which are from the Middle East, who want to destroy us then take over the country.  Get a clue or you may not survive them.  At the very least, they have a burqua with your wife’s name on it.

  • Cindy

    Annie–I understand what you’re saying about hating the “ devils ”
    And it would be worse than weird if you felt guilty about that. I was born right after the war ended ( 9 months?!) but I really wish I had been born a few years earlier. That era in America has always fascinated me.
    The things my mother, grandmothers, and aunts, and yours too, I’m sure, had to endure to survive while the men were away!  You had to be tough, and those women were tough. And the children, like yourself, were too!

  • buzzlatte

    Sometimes it does seem to be worse.  Since no one is buying the racist meme anymore when it comes to Obama, the liberals are re-inventing history.

    I don’t worry about theCoffee Party too much.  If it’s run by liberals, it will never get out of the talk it to death stage at Starbuck’s.  Hanks’ comment is a prime example.  Blather with no substance.

  • Cindy

    Larry- thanks for this post—Alot of us have wanted to vent about it!

    OT— The problem with my “likes” being erased after I have posted a comment is not getting better. I sent an email to No Q email address; hopefully i can find out what to do to correct the problem. Thanks.

  • buzzlatte

    Yes, and initially the USA didn’t get in either theater because of race, but because of empire building by Germany and Japan.  

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    So the WWII war in the Pacific was a race war? And the wars we are fighting now are because of race?

    Throw out all of those history books.

    On the other hand just add Hanks to the long and growing list of celebrities I will not patronize.

  • SHV

    a rather enlightened proconsul MacArthur, whose deference to Japanese religion, sensibilities, and tradition ensured a peaceful transition to a rather radical new independent and autonomous democratic culture.
    **********
    Good point….If the US had a fundmental racial hatred of the Japanese…Mac Arthur would have partitioned the Japanese Islands and would have invited the Chinese and Koreans to be the occupation forces.

  • sowsear

    My 90 year old uncle was a navy pilot during the War, flew off some of the well-known aircraft carriers, such as The Lexington II. I have copies of part of his flight log which he was proud to send me, also pictures of him in his plane on deck. His flight group was featured in an article done for Life magazine during that era. I have tried to get him to tell me more about his own experiences but he really didn’t want to talk about it(got angry when I continued asking). I also think that he still harbors some resentment towards the Japanese for the loss of his friends in the fighting.
    He is fiercely anti-Obama, so much so that his family and I have asked him to be more careful about what he puts into his e-mails.

  • helenk

    My mother went to work in a factory packing radios for the military. I can remember making Christmas ornaments for school out of the packing, At that time the whole country came together and worked for a common cause the survival of the USA. I know it is hard to believe today but Americans really loved the country and worked for the country to survive. My older half  brother was married with 4 kids and blind in one eye and worked for Ford Motor making tanks, Toward the end of the war he was drafted and sent to Fort Knox Ky to work on  tanks.
    Children were taught to sacrifice for the good of all,people contributed silk stockings to be turned into parachutes, bacon grease , I am not sure why. It was a very different time.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE  PARTY ALWAYS

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  • sowsear

    It is in their interest to keep it oiled up, ready for use.

  • Cindy

    At the very least, they have a burqua with your wife’s name on it.

    Wow, Annie! I love that line.
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  • sowsear

    At the start of the war and after it ended, women who were married were not allowed to work for IBM. My father enlisted and went to Officers’ Candidate School in GA. My mother was given a job in IBM because my father worked there when he enlisted. Her biggest problem was trying to get her birth certificate (now don’t you laugh). Her twin sister was stillborn and somehow her birth certificate said she was the one who died. 

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Hanks “owes the American people an apology for his thoughtless comment. Otherwise, his show should probably be ignored. I don’t believe in enabling boors and morons.”

    I could not agree more.

  • sowsear

    The one I miss most is Bruce Springsteen. What a disappointment.

  • Cindy

    sows—i can’t imagaine what that was like back then, living that history…actually hearing the news flash that Pearl had been bombed. Gosh. And that poor neighbor of yours. How tragic.

  • sowsear

    Wasn’t MacArthur brought up in Asia?

  • Hokma

    Hanks never graduated college – so he never benefited from the basic knowledge of American history. Instead like the rest of that ignorant group of Hollywood morons they abuse the privilege they have of celebrity to bother us with their outright ignorance.

    In Laura Ingram’s words: “Just shut up and sing (or act).”

  • CentralMass

    Thank you Larry.  Hanks should do a documentary on the Bataan Death March or the Rape of Nanking.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I remember my grandparents being stoic but constantly checking the news.  The whole family was focused on their coming home.  Uncle Buddy was wounded during the “Battle of the Buldge”.  The Hurt Locker makes a point of how soldiers become addicted to adrenaline…Uncle Buddy came home and for years built and raced hydroplanes; broke the world record in his class.  Uncle Ben was with Patton’s army as an 18 y/o and was in the forefront of liberating some of the concentration camps.  His letter to my grandmother testifying as to what he saw wound up on the front page of our local paper.  Even after fighting the Germans he could barely grasp what the Nazi’s had done.  It wasn’t about Jews, Slavs or anyone but “these poor people”.  He was successful in his own business over the years (a bit of a troubled homecoming) but never talked much again about what he saw…just sat quietly with his scotch every night.  Yes, they hated their adversaires and what they had done and we did too. Aunt Ann was a woman Marine but never left the US; Aunt Mary was a secretary who went to work for the Army in Occupied Japan.  Never heard a single slur against the Japanese people.  The worst thing was she met an Army Dentist over there, a Yankee and a Catholic.  We were all shocked but my grandmother rose to the occasion as always and so the rest of the family followed suit and we came to like him! LOL!

  • sowsear

    His music, not him. 

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    maybe its making tom hanks more money saying these things cause lord knows he doesn’t have enough……….

    Was watching the tail end of bill maher last night and my god has he jumped the shark, e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g is now racially motivated against blacks.  Its so fucking ludricous.  Are we in the matrix??

  • Cindy

    helenk— my father fought the Japanese in the Phillippines, and my oldest friend’s father was in the Bataan Death March (and survived).

    Years later, my father and mother went to Japan on a missions trip and really fell in love with the people and their culture.

    My husband, incidentally, was in the Peace Corps in the Phillippines in the late ’60′s. He said the Filipino people absolutely HATED the Japanese! What would Hanks say about that? Because Filipinos are definitely not white.

  • jlp

    I, too, admired Tom Hanks.  If I met him on the street today I would spit in his f***in face.

    My father, and uncle fought hard for this country in the Pacific.  My uncle received the bronze star and 2 purple hearts.  My father was also decorated.  Tom Hanks has dishonored these two heroes, and thousands more like them.

    Tom Hanks and Spielberg are exploiting World War II for their financial gain.  At the same time, dishonoring the heroes who fought and sacrificed for this country.

    Tom Hanks and Spielberg can kiss my ass, and go to hell!!!!!!!

  • sowsear

    For a long time, she actually clung to the belief that he was alive somewhere.

  • sowsear

    Yes, we collected grease and tinfoil from cigarette packs. I remember going around the neighborhood looking for empty cigarette packages to harvest the tinfoil. We also had rationing of food and gasoline. We had ration books and tokens, also every car windshield had a letter denoting how much gasoline the owner were entitled to.

  • Cindy

     Will we get more of what he and Ayers did for the Chicago school systerm?

    Sows—yeah, that worked out well, didn’t it?!!

  • sowsear

    Yes, we collected grease and tinfoil from cigarette packs. I remember going around the neighborhood looking for empty cigarette packages to harvest the tinfoil. We also had rationing of food and gasoline. We had ration books and tokens, also every car windshield had a letter denoting how much gasoline the owner was entitled to.

  • HARP

    Hanks thinks coming from Hollywood gives him the superior mental capacity to spew bullshit and tell you its gospel. Stick to the box of chocolates Tom. That role was made for you.

  • sowsear

    Watching him now was your first mistake. I remember I used to think he was funny.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Same here.  I won’t be re-upping HBO anytime soon.  Maher makes me sick.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Maybe he’s never progressed from “Big”.

  • sowsear

    There was a movie and a series about the Flying Tigers who flew for the Chinese over Burma. Remember Pappy Boyington?

  • buzzlatte

    “Stupid is as stupid does.”  - Forrest Gump

  • Kbentleyis

    Thanks Larry for an excellent article.  Seems to me, someone ought to put a Marine outfit on Hanks and strap 110 lbs on his back.  Then throw his pattudy in a Afghan desert.  And, see if he thinks of race when someone tries to shoot his private parts off!

    BTW, has anyone noticed how just released movies are coming out faster and faster on DVDs?  Hollywood must not be doing that great at the boxoffices.

  • Cindy

    Annie— I LOVE your family stories. I wish you’d write a book at them.
    “A Yankee AND a Catholic” !!! My, oh my…lol!
    And your uncle fought with Patton. Wow!

  • buzzlatte

    I had two uncles who fought in the Pacific.  One hid in the bucket of big tractor when the Japanese overran the airstrip they were building. The other was plucked out of the ocean after several days when his ship was sunk.

    Neither one would talk about their experiences much.  They would mention the buddies they lost or something funny, but never actual combat.  One thing they agreed on was that they were there to protect the country from being taken over by Japan, not to hate the Japanese.

    Sheesh, it pains me to see how the message has become so distorted.  The veterans of WWII don’t deserve that.

  • Cindy

    Bless her heart…I can’t fathom what she went through.

  • EllenD

    but never talked much again about what he saw..

    My uncle was in the Canadian Army and was part of the famed Allied push from North Africa up through Italy to the Netherlands.
    I was a child during the war (which started for Canada in ’39). When he came back he would never speak about it).
    As an aside – because of Canada’s Parliamentary style of government, after Pearly Harbor Canada declared war on Japan before the U.S.

  • EllenD

    Ooops PEARL harbor. Gettin late again.

  • Cindy

    fascinating personal history, sowsear!

  • Cindy

    Sows—yeah, Bruce Springsteen might have been “Born in the USA”, but he’s living in La-la Land!

  • sowsear

    I don’t know if they are doing much business either. The  video store here in my little town is going out of business. Tonight my husband went to the grocery store and to Blockbusters and he couldn’t find any recently released movies to rent.

  • EllenD

    We had ration tokens for butter. Women stained their legs and painted black seams up the back as there were no silk stockings.

  • sowsear

    maybe you have to buy them…

  • buzzlatte

    My dad has a story about cutting the tread from one tire and wrapping it around a ruined tire because he couldn’t get ration stamps for a new tire to replace the ruined one.  He needed it  for one of his trucks to get his wheat harvest in, but had to make do.  He could only drive about 10 miles an hour on the improvised tire.  The rationing board finally gave him a new tire after the harvest was over.  LOL!

    My mom saved ration stamp booklets for the family as an heirloom.  

  • buzzlatte

    True.  I went to college in the  late 70′s with filipinos that wouldn’t get near the Japanese-American students.  They DID NOT trust them.

  • Cindy

    write a book about them.

  • helenk

    One of the scariest things was to have someone get a telegram. Families were afraid it was a war dept notification of the death of a loved one. If you ever watch some of the old movies you will see that.
    People just knew no matter what race or creed we had to work together.
    There is a video by Frank Sinatra called the House I live In that to this day I can not watch without crying.
    That song is a great example of what we believed.
    I am at work and can not link, but if someone could find it and post it maybe some of the younger people would get an idea of what it was like.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPEREINCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • EllenD

    the “Rape of Nanking”

    The Chinese have never forgotten. Take a Chinese airline to the U.S. and one of their movies may depict the war. The Japanese killed MILLIONS of Chinese.

    Off Manila on the beach in the surf they have life size bronze statues of MacArthur (“I will return”) and his aides wading back to keep his promise. It brings tears to your eyes.

    Go to Sydney. They had Japanese submarines in Sydney harbour and the Australians pledge their undying gratitude to the Americans who were the only thing standing between them and the Japanese.

    Any trip to anywhere in the Pacific tells you what the U.S. did and why. I don’t know what kind of crapola research Tom Hanks did.

  • buzzlatte

    True!  I went to college with filipinos in the late ’70′s that would not go near the Japanese Americans students.  They DID NOT trust them.  The Hawaiians and Guamanians were nearly as bad.

  • helenk

    PS
    It is a damn shame that hanks never got the message.
    I agree he can go to hell
    I remember going to see part of my father’s company leave to go overseas. I can still see the face of one man  named Dutch, he did not come back. I was only about 4  or 5 years old and I do not know why I remember him ,

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

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  • Cindy

    Ellen—I didn’t know that history of Canada and Pearl H. Interesting!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    exactly wonder how many bombs or doodlebugs hes dodged in “real Life”

  • buzzlatte

    My mom talked about the yellow dye packet to make margarine look more like butter.  They’d get that when they couldn’t have butter.  She had a pair of silk stockings that she hid.  She felt guilty that she had a pair.

    My aunt was a switchboard operator.  She was a beautiful young lady and had to fight off the soldiers at Fort Douglas.  She told her husband she needed a bigger wedding ring and somehow he got one before he was shipped over to France.  She would hold her left hand up when they wolf whistled her.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    exactly wonder how many bombs or doodlebugs he’s dodged in “real Life”

  • Cindy

    FYI for anyone interested—My family has duplicates of some of my father’s Army Air Corps memorabilia, and other WWII items that he brought back from the South Pacific. We have been trying to decide what to do with them and thought of The National Museum of the Pacific War in Fredericksburg (in the Texas Hill Country).
    The curator there said the museum will accept such items from veterans and veterans’ families. So, the memory of my father’s service to his country, and the sacrifice he made, can now be honored publicly and live-on for generations. (and be used for education)
    Just thought some of you might want to know about this.

  • Cindy

    helenk—here it is. I Hope! We need onofre and oowawa!

  • Cindy

    helenk—here it is. I Hope! We need onofre and oowawa!

  • Cindy

    helenk–I listen to “the ’40′s” station on satellite radio constantly and they play this sometimes.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Yes, and my grandparent’s next door neighbors (we only lived a block away) were Catholic as well and owned Johnson’s Grocery store.  They were some of neighborhood kids I played with and was allowed to go to their house but with the admonishment that “Catholics worship graven images” and since we were Baptists I was just to look the other way and pay no attention to statues or any other things I might find different…and not to ask any questions or make any comments.  I was the only grandchild at that time in a big family so I was pretty watched over. 

    To me, the most different thing was that they had a gentle southern lady who lived with them, Miss Nettie.  I always thought she was a relative but later learned that she was one of those ladies who had no way to take care of herself so she lived with the Johnsons and helped with their children and the house.  About 10 years ago I found out that my great-grandmother had the same fate but her circumstances, I’m sure were quite different.  It was a family scandal that was hidden until my grandmother was 90.  Southerners!  A different world for sure.

  • helenk

    thank you. I will see it when I get home from work.

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  • Cindy

    Annie—we were Baptists too, VERY Baptist, with my father in church work.. and his grandfather a revered preacher, an icon, in Louisiana…so I hear you!
    Working on geneology has been fun, but I’ve found some dates and years that don’t quite add up. My mother just says “Well Daddy said….”  this or that, and whatever “daddy” said was what happened.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    oh I can’t stand bill maher anymore either….. just couldn’t help watching the train wreck for about 5 minutes and sadly I can never get those 5 minutes back…….

  • Cindy

    buzz—-I love that story about your aunt!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Yes, I remember my mother from time to time mixing up those orange tablets in the cake of lard that passed for butter.  My grandmother, though they lived in town, had a huge lot and at the back of the lot there was still a barn where she kept a cow during the war.  She kept fresh milk for me and I always got in her way when she churned butter…there was a rhyme she chanted while she churned:  “Churn butter, churn; churn, butter churn.  Johnny’s at the garden gate, churn, butter churn.  Haha.  One of my favorite pictures of her, in her smock, head thrown back laughing, in the back yard coming up from milking the cow, carrying two pails of milk.  The security of community was so strong and it was an amazing time…everyone together.

  • Cindy
  • Cindy

    helenk–This song “I’ll Be Seeing You” really gets to me. For years I sang for bedridden people in nursing homes. This song was requested alot, especially by the women in their 80′s. I could hardly get through the song, because they each had a story about a friend whose husband or boyfriend never came back from WWII, and that song had been “their song”.  My mother’s best friend and her husband sang this to each other before he left for war. Tragically, he never came back either.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Here it is, helenk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXF7l0zW8Y

    and then there’s this his short film about tolerance during the war.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0NraoSYr38

  • Cindy

    Annie—what a magical childhood you had…and wonderful memories!

  • Cindy

    helenk–This song “I’ll Be Seeing You” really gets to me. For years I sang for bedridden people in nursing homes. This song was requested alot, especially by the women in their 80′s.  They each had a story about a friend whose husband or boyfriend never came back from WWII, and that song had been “their song”.  I could hardly get through the song without choking up! My mother’s best friend and her husband sang this to each other before he left for war. Tragically, he never came back either.

  • Obamastolemycountry

    Wow!  I used to really love Hanks, but what an A$$!

    I wish these fricken Hollywood types, who hate America would just move to another country!!  If you don’t like America get the heck out of here!  Our so called Government, I have the same message for you as well!  Good riddence to bad rubbish I say!!  Maybe we can put them all in a box and drop them onto a desert island and they can reenact Castaway, although never rescued.  A happy ending for America in my version!

  • helenk

    Cindy
    I can understand because a lot of the music of the 40s is about hope for the future in a black time.
    Another song is The White Cliffs of Dover.
    I do not know if the idea of people working  together for a common goal to keep America safe and make it better, will ever come again.
    We had a government that believed in America and called on ALL people to sacrifice. Making a profit off war even though it was done was not looked at as a good thing.  Right now only a few are making a sacrifce and the news acts like the two wars do not exist. The government has to be forced to give returning military good health care.
    People are funny, if it does not affect you, it does not matter.

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  • Cindy

    I do not know if the idea of people working  together for a common goal to keep America safe and make it better, will ever come again.  
     
    helenk–that statement is profound. I really feel these are scary times..and we have a bunch of little “appeasers” running the country.
    “The White Cliffs of Dover” was requested alot at the nursing homes, too. What a tear jerker, also. It was very hard to sing while looking into the sweet face of someone who is tearing-up over a lost loved one from WWII. Gosh, the sacrifices Americans made back then!

  • POdVet

    Hanks should really study for his roles a bit more thoroughly. But the truth has been dying off from old age and of course new political agendas. The far left loons have been trying to rewrite history for many years, in large part that is to justify their love of mass murderers like Mao Zedong. Fair warning, this next part may be upsetting to some readers.

    When Japanese forces took over an area in China. It was routine practice to set up brothels for the soldiers. Girls sometimes not even 10 yrs old would be forced to please up to a hundred or more soldiers a day. If they screamed too much, they would have their tongues cut out. If they fought back, they were of course beaten. And those unfortunate enough to become pregnant from these rapes. Would be kicked in the stomach until they lost the baby or died. Since they were considered subhuman and not fit to carry a Japanese child. Then when Mao and his communists moved into those areas later. If found out, the girls would be killed for giving comfort to the enemy. It’s that last bit, that is causing much of the history rewrites from the far left now. How can you idolize someone who would do that?! So…much as Amidinijhad now chooses to ignore all evidence of the holocaust. They choose to ignore the barbarism of Mao.

  • helenk

    thank you
    can you see how Hanks hasnt’t got a clue about what went on during that time. Yes there was racism but Eleanor Roosevelt did her part to combat it. Watch the movie Wind Talker to see what the American Indians to keep the country safe.  See the memorials on the reservations. Find out what the Japanese Americans did to help in Europe. See and hear the stories of the Italian Americans  and German Americans fighting for this country.
    I have not been this angry in a long time. I feel like asking him ” How long have you been so stupid?”

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  • AnnieCarmel

    The locals out in Carmel Valley had a coffe party today and the local tee vee station covered it…about 6 people there.  When the Tea Partiers have been out on the street demonstrating with up to 100…nothing.  Nada…on the evening local news or in the local rag.  Nothing whatsoever.  The 6 for coffee declared they’d contact people to get out the vote.  Whoop te do.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Awesome Annie! Such a great read.
     
    I love listening to my mother’s stories, who funnily enough is called Annie!!! And how she coped living through the war, she was 9 when it started she will be 80 in November. Sadly she was orphaned during the war her father died and her mother died 9 months later in child birth. Her 18yr old brother was killed at El Alamein.
     
    Living in Glasgow at the time they were bombed nightly living alongside the Clyde where all the ammunition factories were located. Many a night she would be running to the air raid shelters when the street behind them or in front had been bombed. Hopping over downed live electricity wires with maybe only one shoe on as she had to share with other children in the area depending who she was living with at the time. Later they sent all the children to the country out of the city. One day she was making daisy chains with a friend in a field, the Germans would fire doodlebugs over from France/Holland as they were playing a ‘Doodlebug’ came over she remembers looking up, looking at it as it came towards them when all of a sudden this man came from nowhere and grabbed them both and ran…… to this day she says she has no clue where the man came from! I always remember her telling me how much easier she felt once the Americans came to our aid! So I thank all your family members who were in Europe during the war!
     
    Buzz I too have my mother’s ration book she gave me last year which I brought back with me to The States.

  • helenk

    That is a really good idea. Someone has to keep the memories and truths alive for future generations.
    I was surprised to find a museum about General Patton out on the 10 freeway on the way to Phoenix. I never knew that is where they trained for the North Africa invasion.

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  • buzzlatte

    What a wonderful thing to do!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Or Vera Lynn singing “We’ll Meet Again”.

    I’ve been on a WWII kick lately and finished watching the entire series “The Winds of War” and Herman Rouk’s sequel, “War and Remembrance” both from Netflix.  The first part begins in 1939 and takes the story up to Pearl Harbour; Robert Mitchum plays Pug Henry, a Navy officer attached to the American Embassy in Berlin.  Polly Bergan is his flighty wife, Rhoda.  There were some cast changes between the two series but all in all it was extremely informative.  Lot’s of archieval historical film interspersed in with the fictional story.  I liked it so much I could forgive Mitchum’s somewhat wooden performance…but the men could be like that back then…no Robert Bly getting them all sensitive and all…and yet they were such gentlemen.  LOL.  And Ali McGraw, as the American Jewish Princess stranded in Europe with her famous elitist uncle, annoying but the series (Jane Seymour successfully picks up the role in the sequel) is still well worth it if you want to get up to date on WWII.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I feel fortunate.  My family really was wonderful and for the most part so normal.  Thanks for your kind comments.  I feel like we had many similar experiences growing up southern…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Here Helenk.

    Thank God the cliffs are still white such a wonderful site to see when approaching England by air or ferry!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Thank God the cliffs are still white and such an amazing sight when approaching England by air or ferry!

  • buzzlatte

    I’ve kept my parents’ old 78 records and the cabinet radio/record player from the 1940′s.  They were very proud of it because it has a short wave radio.  They said it was there in case the enemies reached the shores of America.  I don’t know if that’s true, but they had me convinced when I was a kid in the 1960′s.

    I love 1940′s music.  Jo Stafford’s “Haunted Heart”  is one of my favorites.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Vera Lynn ~ We’ll meet again

  • AnnieCarmel

    POdVet, Yes and it’s only been in the past decade that the Korean “Comfort Women” have had an apology from the Japanese.  They were also taken to brothels and treated as sub-human.  How any of them survived to tell their story, I’ll never know.  I have seen a documentary on them with interviews.  They lived with unbearable shame.

    Last week I watched a film about the French Resistance, “Army of Shadows”, based on  Director Jean-Pierre Melville’s experiences as a member of the French Resistance during World War II about a civil engineer who becomes one of the chiefs of the underground movement.  The Nazi’s were able to compromise one of the female resistance fighters by threatening to put her teenage daughter in a Polish brothel.  Women pay a heavy price for occupation.

  • helenk

    I agree with you about the Ali Mc Graw character The part that  got me was that she put her child in danger.
    If you can find the video of the the old series Silent Service there were a lot of historical facts. I do not know if anyone ever gathered the news reels of the times but that showed a lot of history about the war.

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  • ~~JustMe~~

    Vera Lynn ~ We’ll meet again

    Sorry added wrong link and top one wont delete!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Wasn’t that “Baa Baa Black Sheep” or something like that with Robert Conrad? 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Talking of japan

    TOKYO – A strong earthquake hit off the eastern coast of central Japan on Sunday, rattling buildings across a broad swath of the country, including the crowded Tokyo capital.
    There were no immediate reports of damage or casualties, and the government said there was no danger from tsunamis.
    The quake had an initial estimated magnitude of 6.6, according to the Japan Meteorological Agency. It hit at 0808 GMT on Sunday, or 5:08 p.m. local time.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100314/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake

  • SYD

    This is a matter of Hanks placing the cart before the horse.

    Yes, there were Japanese Americans that suffered from racism after the war had begun. Their stories are heartwrenching.

    But racism was not the *cause* or the war.

    Get a clue, Tommy.

  • helenk

    cindy and anniecarmel
    thank you both. This is how I grew up learning from all kinds of people.
    For hanks to make that stupid comment just shows his ignorence.
    After 9-11 we did come together for a short time. Then our government blew it. Instead of asking us what we could do for the country, the damn fools told us to go shopping. We have had several generatios that only a few sacrificed for the country and the many were unconcerned. They have been cheated of the feeling of accomplishment of helping the country.

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  • helenk

    I watched the movie Paradise Road the other night, Based on a true story of women in a Japanese prison of war camp. The treatment was ungodly.

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  • helenk

    I agree. Both Pearl Harbor and 9-11 were sneak attacks. The difference between the two is that after Pearl Harbor people came to gether to save the country. After 9-11 people like Hanks run around making excuses for the enemy and do not understand that they are an enemy.

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  • helenk

    Thank you for the music and the memories. I am home from work and now I am going to bed
    Remember to turn your clocks forward.

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  • arabella trefoil

    Watch out. Obama has started tootling his horn about education. Are our children going to read books that contain lies about America? Tom Hanks is just the first victim of the “American Guilt Syndrome.” He must be proof reading the textbooks Obama is writing for American school children.

    A real historian would never simplify the study of world history to the point Obama seeks.

    And when it comes to racial identity/conflict etc, save it for your shrink, Barry Sotero. Maybe you don’t know who you are because mommy and daddy abandoned you. Maybe now you think you’re a fraud for a lot of reasons, including pimping out your 1/4 arab blood. Maybe you secretly despise people who fell for your image, as many narcissists do.

    But leave Americans out of your psychodrama, OK?

  • kenoshamarge

    I have never cared about the opinions expressed by celebrities either. However good they may be at their trade, and I believe Hanks to be a good actor, their opinion, be it ever so pin-headed, is no more important in the grand scheme of things than some local pinhead pontificating from a bar-stool in a neighborhood tavern.

    Unfortunately for Hanks and other celebutards they have access to a host of microphones and thus their inane, inaccurate and downright stupid remarks are idiocies heard round the world.

    Celebrities have as much right to voice their opinion as anyone else. It would just be so much better if they did not. For them. We may suspect that they are shallow and ignorant but we never know for sure until they prove it to us out of their own mouths. As Hanks did.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Everyone has a right to their own opinions, right, wrong or indifferent and that includes Tom Hanks. I am not going to judge the man in total because of one or two remarks. Hanks has done a great deal of charitable works, which includes the Pearl Harbor Memorial Fund and Veterans issues. By the way, when was the last time any of you hero’s and critics volunteered at your local food pantry? Or did something for a Vet? My bet is that many of you are to busy playing critic to do any of those things.

    So Hanks said a no. no? Oh my, my, my just lookie at the mirror and read the many postings here at NQ. We have them all, the right, the wrong, the indifferent and the idiots. You know, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly!

    Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the dumbest of them all?

    So which one of us is better than Tom Hanks? And Larry I am surprised at you! You of all people should know better. You once made just about the same mistake as Hanks did but on terrorism and that mistake did not take away from the real person you are.

    My my….of all of Hollywood to be pissed at and we take on Tom Hanks?

  • arabella trefoil

    First and last time I will respond to you. I don’t give a hoot what Tom Hanks does or thinks. What concerns me is when Hollywood tells revsionist history that many people will believe.

    We don’t teach history properly in this country. Many Americans “learn history” by watching Hollywood productions on television or in movies. Tom Hanks may be a great actor and a great humanitarian. Is he an historian?

    And by the way, nobody here has any need to share “creds” with anybody else.  Whether a commenter does good works, gives money to charity, or spends hours working for a good cause is no business of yours. To compare one person’s virtue to another’s is ridiculous. Most people here fail to be offended by being called “dumb” or any other school yard taunt you choose to throw out at us.

    Have a nice exisetence.

  • Breeze

    I  read somewhere yesterday that Hank’s wife’s father is a Muslim

    converted to Christianity…..

  • arabella trefoil

    I don’t care who his parents are, what they did or if they were religious.

    Tom Hank is an actor/producer. I have enjoyed watching him in several films. His opinions on anything don’t matter to me.

    These Hollywood types seem to feel that they have a mission to “enlighten” the masses who spend money buying tickets and movie tie-ins that keep Hollywood types in comfort.

    Tom Hanks and his Hollywood friends aren’t any smarter than the rest of us.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    arabbella…

    I hate to say this but your a bigger moron than most people here at NO. I guess your the only one who can call people dumb, stupid or an ass? How big of you!

    You blame Hollywood for the dumbing of Americans? Its their revisionist history that people lean from?  Really? Its not the fact that many American are just too lazy to do their own research or actually pay attention at school? We can blame many of the dumbing of Americans. Hollywood, Media Outlets, Congress, Schools, Parents, the Internet…etc..etc..etc… So I guess your pissed off at the world? Then my question to you is very simple. What are you really doing to make things better?Besides that masters thesis your write here at NO.

    Most Americans I know take Hollywood for what it really is while their are some who will believe anything. But that is not what is really pissing you off. What you posted is an excuse or mask for your own political gain. Its the politics of Hollywood that your pissed off at. So at least be honest or basically shut the hell up…..

    Lastly arabella, this one is especially for you……….

    “Hypocrisie est un hommage que la vice rend à la vertu.” – “Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.” – de La Rochefoucauld

    You do know who de La Rochefoucauld was don’t you? Or is that above your education level?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    arabbella…  
     
    I hate to say this but your a bigger moron than most people here at NO. I guess your the only one who can call people dumb, stupid or an ass? How big of you!  
     
     
    You blame Hollywood for the dumbing of Americans? Its their revisionist history that people learn from?  Really? Its not the fact that many American are just too lazy to do their own research or actually pay attention at school? We can blame many of the dumbing of Americans. Hollywood, Media Outlets, Congress, Schools, Parents, the Internet…etc..etc..etc… So I guess your pissed off at the world? Then my question to you is very simple. What are you really doing to make things better?Besides that masters thesis your write here at NO.  
     
     
    Most Americans I know take Hollywood for what it really is while their are some who will believe anything. But that is not what is really pissing you off. What you posted is an excuse or mask for your own political gain. Its the politics of Hollywood that your pissed off at. So at least be honest or basically shut the hell up…..  
     
     
    Lastly arabella, this one is especially for you……….  
     
    “Hypocrisie est un hommage que la vice rend à la vertu.” – “Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.” – de La Rochefoucauld  
     
    You do know who de La Rochefoucauld was don’t you? Or is that above your education level?

  • BBF

    RELOCATION CENTER…AND NICER NAME FOR AMERICAN-STYLE CONCENTRATION CAMPS???

    http://www.infoplease.com/spot/internment1.html

    Japanese Relocation Centers

    During World War II, nearly 120,000 Japanese Americans were under lock and key

    by Ricco Villanueva Siasoco and Shmuel Ross

    On February 19, 1942, soon after the beginning of World War II, Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066. The evacuation order commenced the round-up of 120,000 Americans of Japanese heritage to one of 10 internment camps—officially called “relocation centers”—in California, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arkansas.

    Why Were the Camps Established?

    Roosevelt’s executive order was fueled by anti-Japanese sentiment among farmers who competed against Japanese labor, politicians who sided with anti-Japanese constituencies, and the general public, whose frenzy was heightened by the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor. More than 2/3 of the Japanese who were interned in the spring of 1942 were citizens of the United States.

    Similar Orders in Canada

    In Canada, similar evacuation orders were established. Nearly 23,000 Nikkei, or Canadians of Japanese descent, were sent to camps in British Columbia. It was the greatest mass movement in the history of Canada.

    Though families were generally kept together in the United States, Canada sent male evacuees to work in road camps or on sugar beet projects. Women and children Nikkei were forced to move to six inner British Columbia towns.

    Conditions in the U.S. Camps

    The U.S. internment camps were overcrowded and provided poor living conditions. According to a 1943 report published by the War Relocation Authority (the administering agency), Japanese Americans were housed in “tarpaper-covered barracks of simple frame construction without plumbing or cooking facilities of any kind.” Coal was hard to come by, and internees slept under as many blankets as they were alloted. Food was rationed out at an expense of 48 cents per internee, and served by fellow internees in a mess hall of 250-300 people.

    Leadership positions within the camps were only offered to the Nisei, or American-born, Japanese. The older generation, or the Issei, were forced to watch as the government promoted their children and ignored them.

    Eventually the government allowed internees to leave the concentration camps if they enlisted in the U.S. Army. This offer was not well received. Only 1,200 internees chose to do so.

    Legal Challenges to Internment

    Two important legal cases were brought against the United States concerning the internment. The landmark cases were Hirabayashi v. United States (1943), and Korematsu v. United States (1944). The defendants argued their fifth amendment rights were violated by the U.S. government because of their ancestry. In both cases, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the U.S. government.

    Closure of the Camps

    In 1944, two and a half years after signing Executive Order 9066, fourth-term President Franklin D. Roosevelt rescinded the order. The last internment camp was closed by the end of 1945.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    arabbella…

    I hate to say this but your a bigger moron than most people here at NO. I guess your the only one who can call people dumb, stupid or an ass? How big of you!

    You blame Hollywood for the dumbing of Americans? It’s their revisionist history that people lean from?  Really? It’s not the fact that many Americans are just too lazy to do their own research or actually pay attention at school? We can blame many of the dumbing of Americans. Hollywood, Media Outlets, Congress, Schools, Parents, the Internet…etc..etc..etc… So I guess your pissed off at the world? Then my question to you is very simple. What are you really doing to make things better? Besides that masters thesis your write here at NO.

    Most Americans I know take Hollywood for what it really is while there are some who will believe anything. But that is not what is really pissing you off. What you posted is an excuse or mask for your own political gain. Its the politics of Hollywood that your pissed off at. So at least be honest or basically shut the hell up…..

    Lastly this one is especially for you……….”Hypocrisie est un hommage que la vice rend à la vertu.” – “Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.” -de La Rochefoucauld

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    arabbella…  
     
    I hate to say this but your a bigger moron than most people here at NO. I guess your the only one who can call people dumb, stupid or an ass? How big of you!  
     
    You blame Hollywood for the dumbing of Americans? It’s their revisionist history that people lean from?  Really? It’s not the fact that many Americans are just too lazy to do their own research or actually pay attention at school? We can blame many of the dumbing of Americans. Hollywood, Media Outlets, Congress, Schools, Parents, the Internet…etc..etc..etc… So I guess your pissed off at the world? Then my question to you is very simple. What are you really doing to make things better? Besides that masters thesis you write here at NO.  
     
    Most Americans I know take Hollywood for what it really is while there are some who will believe anything. But that is not what is really pissing you off. What you posted is an excuse or mask for your own political gain. Its the politics of Hollywood that your pissed off at. So at least be honest or basically shut the hell up…..  
     
    Lastly this one is especially for you……….”Hypocrisie est un hommage que la vice rend à la vertu.” – “Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.” -de La Rochefoucauld
    EditModerate

  • BBF

    DID THE NAZIS CALL THEIR CONCENTRATION CAMPS…RELOCATION/INTERNMENT CENTERS???

    http://www.infoplease.com/spot/internment1.html

    Japanese Relocation Centers

    During World War II, nearly 120,000 Japanese Americans were under lock and key

    by Ricco Villanueva Siasoco and Shmuel Ross

    On February 19, 1942, soon after the beginning of World War II, Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066. The evacuation order commenced the round-up of 120,000 Americans of Japanese heritage to one of 10 internment camps—officially called “relocation centers”—in California, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, and Arkansas.

    Why Were the Camps Established?

    Roosevelt’s executive order was fueled by anti-Japanese sentiment among farmers who competed against Japanese labor, politicians who sided with anti-Japanese constituencies, and the general public, whose frenzy was heightened by the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor. More than 2/3 of the Japanese who were interned in the spring of 1942 were citizens of the United States.

    (SNIP)

    Conditions in the U.S. Camps

    The U.S. internment camps were overcrowded and provided poor living conditions. According to a 1943 report published by the War Relocation Authority (the administering agency), Japanese Americans were housed in “tarpaper-covered barracks of simple frame construction without plumbing or cooking facilities of any kind.” Coal was hard to come by, and internees slept under as many blankets as they were alloted. Food was rationed out at an expense of 48 cents per internee, and served by fellow internees in a mess hall of 250-300 people.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    WWII Pacific Campaign….. Yes the attack on Pearl was the reason why we fired back. But we would have eventually entered that war offically anyway. Hell we were already playing there with outside actors.  Let’s remember the reason why we were attacked at Pearl. Besides the regions foreign policy at the time, we had our heads up our ass with that attack. We made many political mistakes knowing that the Japanese would more than likely would attack.

    But that does not exucse the Japanese from the violations they subjected many too. That also does not excuse us for the violations we subjected Japanese/Americans too either. Of course you can’t compare the two but injustice is injustice no matter how you look at it.

    Tom Hanks is no dope and I do not know what drove him to say the things he said or for that matter in what context he said them in.

    But he should clear it up…..

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    arabbella…

    I hate to say this but your a bigger moron than most people here at NO. I guess your the only one who can call people dumb, stupid or an ass? How big of you!

    You blame Hollywood for the dumbing of Americans? It’s their revisionist history that people learn from?  Really? It’s not the fact that many Americans are just too lazy to do their own research or actually pay attention at school? We can blame many of the dumbing of Americans. Hollywood, Media Outlets, Congress, Schools, Parents, the Internet…etc..etc..etc… So I guess your pissed off at the world? Then my question to you is very simple. What are you really doing to make things better? Besides that masters thesis you write here at NO.

    Most Americans I know take Hollywood for what it really is while there are some who will believe anything. But that is not what is really pissing you off. What you posted is an excuse or mask for your own political gain. Its the politics of Hollywood that your pissed off at. So at least be honest or basically shut the hell up…..

    Lastly this one is especially for you……….”Hypocrisie est un hommage que la vice rend à la vertu.” – “Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.” – de La Rochefoucauld

    You do know who de La Rochefoucauld was don’t you? Or is that too high and might for you? Or maybe it’s above your education level?

  • Noogan

    At first, when I heard about Hanks’ comment, my initial response was, “what a stupid thing to say!” But, upon further reflection, I do think there was a racial component to our war in the Pacific. I think Hanks was referring to the anti-Japanese sentiment from the public after Pearl Harbor, and in that sense, I think he’s right; does anyone doubt that there is rampant anti-Muslim sentiment rampant in this country today? The vast majority of the public has negative stereotypes about Muslims, about Islam as a religion. 

    Hanks’ comment was really a dumb PR move, though; you don’t want to establish your film project along the basis of divisive racial issues for the viewers before you even start. 

    Really dumb.

  • Noogan

    Yeah, true. And how many here would love to have Victor Davis Hanson dissecting their comments at NQ?  Not very many, I’d guess. Not even Larry would want that sort of spotlight–in his more, uhm, passionate moments. 

    And, yes, in his defense, Tom Hanks has done more than just about any other actor, producer, director, than I can think of off the top of my pointy little head to help Veterans; that makes me more inclined to support him, despite his dumb comment. 

    :-E

  • sowsear

    Yes, that was it.

  • sowsear

    I thought that there was no converting to another religion. That’s a capital offense….?

  • ces

    Yup, it’s called a “hook” whether its right or wrong. Hank’s is a producer, he wants to get his story told….and guess what? I hadn’t heard about this series until Larry put this story up. Hanks did his job…as a producer. 

    Did we want to kill Japs pre-Pearl? Probably not. The US public didn’t care much about some far flung place called Manchuria.. But AFTER Pearl Harbor, you bet the PR and propaganda machine kicked in. You had to believe that giving up all those rations was worth something. 

    So in a way, Hanks is right. While we all don’t see the wars we are fighting now as a religious or cultural war, there are some that do. How many times have we heard, “they hate us for our way of life”? It’s an attempt to make our enemy more ‘concrete’, something Joe Q Public can wrap his noodle around. 

  • Guest

    There have been various “apologies” that repeat the same line word for word, over and over again, beginning in the early ’90s — so going on 15 years now. The women only began to gradually come out with their stories not long before. But there has never been an unambiguous ackknowledgement of full and direct involvement by the Imperial Army in engaging in sexual enslavement of women. . The nationalist segment of Japanese society that is wholly unapologetic and not the least bit humbled by the defeat of Japanese imperialism, extending even to recent prime ministers, is astounding.

    I’m sympathetic to the idea that Japan suffered “psychic whiplash” in the rapid shift from total war to total defeat, occupation, and alliance with the victorious with the US (and now, on top of all this, China becoming a world-beating superpower). But the leaders making the strategic decisions are have to be sufficiently apologetic and humbled by their country’s past. There is no way around it. There are no shortcuts. Repeating the same apology, word for word, over and over again, does not constitute atonement.

    The more denial of the unthinkable crime, the more the world is provoked and the longer it takes to forgive.

  • Noogan

    I think Hanks’s comment was dumb; but I’m inclined to forgive him, because he has done much to support Veterans over the years, in film and in volunteer work. And, I think it’s probably true that Americans as a whole were anti-Japanese after Pearl Harbor. 

    lived in Seoul for two years, and learned the history of Japanese agression against the Koreans; the Koreans have never forgotten that history, and there is much anti-Japanese sentiment still. 

  • I’m a Linda too

    Yes.  My Uncle, 86 the last of his brothers who all served, has that pride.  But he also was one of the ones guilted in to voting for Obama.  I wonder how he is feeling about things these days.  I guess maybe I’ll find out, I’m going to see them next week.

    I have one of those radios.  My mother remembered gathering around my Grandparents radio.  It’s short wave and am/fm.  I made sure I nabbed it when we were emptying out my Grandma’s house.  It still works.

  • Noogan

    Yeah, it occurred to me that, in the world of PUBLICITY, this could be what is called “dumb like a fox.”  8-)   

    But, I actually think Hanks was just expressing a personal opinion, which, I think he based on the public sentiment at the time of the war, after Pearl Harbor. And, today, the same anti-Muslim sentiment prevails among John Q. Public. Believe me, I get enough of it in my emails from friends and family. 

  • Noogan

    Graduating college doesn’t prevent one from being propagandized, as your comments on this site routinely prove. Anyone can learn basic history; unfortunately, most people only learn the history they want to hear. Like you, for instance, with regard to Israeli history.  :-D

    Is there any doubt that Hanks is right with regard to Anti-Muslim–certainly anti-Arab–sentiment today? Not a doubt at all. You epitomize it. Did you not just love this post?

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2010/03/13/democratic-jihad/

  • jangles

    The Japanese “relocation centers” are a black mark on our history.  So is slavery and the accommodations for slavery in our original constitution.  I think this country paid a lot of dues for both of these.  The bloodiest war in our history was about ending slavery.  The internment camps were a terrible thing but they were generated by fear and that fear was generated by the attack on Pearl Harbor.  These things are the terrible, tragic result of war and our very imperfect human condition.  But we Americans are not somehow worse than others and the essence of our history has been about truth and justice, no matter how imperfect that journey was and is.

  • Ladydawnelle

    DRat lost my whole post!  GRRRRRRRRRRRRr!

    short version – ALL of JOLLYWOOD needs to move to MEXICO where Jesse Ventura suggested last night he’d move there if Sarah were to become President!  I say GO AND TAKE HANKS, PENN & THE REST OF FOLLYWOOD WITH YOU!  Their ignorant shame knows NO bounds!

  • Hokma

    Now we get to hear from the Jew hater . . . . get lost and deal with your overt bias elsewhere.

  • Hokma

    Now we get to hear from the Jew hater . . . . get lost and deal with your overt bias elsewhere.

    Nogan (or lack of) – when you have seen people jumping from buildings or know people killed by these bastards then you can mouth off your ignorant biased remarks. if you love these Muslims so much, go live with them and join the jihad where you belong.

  • confused American

    IF one saw what was being done to our captured men and women by in the Armed Services by the Japanese,  one might understand the resentment some had during and just after WWII.
    Know a 90 year old lady who was  part of the first women armed service troops to go back in to the Philippines to help out after our country took back over the Philippines. What had been done to our service men was horrid, but what had been done to our women was unspeakable.

    Too often we condemn what we really don’t see or know about.  I have a feeling that Larry and any older retired service men would know what I’m saying. It does not make mistreatment of prisoners we take right, but one should take time to see what the other side is or has done. 

  • oowawa

    Thanks, Cindy.  Jo Stafford–what a wonderful singer.  I remember hearing a radio interview with Mel Torme in which he was asked what singers he most admired.  Jo Stafford was one of the first he mentioned.  He cited her perfect sense of pitch–she always hit the right notes.  Her rendition of this marvelous song is full of the bittersweet longing of hearts separated by war.  Beautiful.

    Here’s another one of her signature songs:

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    There are two bird brains and a couple of O heads that post comments on NQ. There only purpose is to be rediculously disagreeable with everything.

    They may all be the same person.

    Even if you agree with one of their points, they will hurl insults at your point in their next comment.

    They are only here for the attention they do not get in their real lives. So, I ignore them.

  • oowawa

    Here’s to “The Greatest Generation.”  I sure do believe that is true.

  • Yttik

    I got to know several people who immigrated to this country decades ago who had survived the Japanese. They don’t tell nice stories. It’s really frustrating when people try to portray the Japanese from back then as misunderstood victims.

    You have to give Hanks credit though, he accidentally got something right. We did have a problem with their “differant gods”, especially the emperor god who demanded unquestioning loyalty and unbelievable brutality.

  • Cindy

    oowawa—thank you! This is a great one, too. I think her voice defined that era.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    My father “God rest his soul” came back from the pacific theater a changed man. He was proud to have served his Country and wore that pride every day he was alive. But,  after what he went through and what we had to do to end the war he came back opposed to war in its entirety that included North Korea and Vietnam as well as the Gulf War.

    I but guess being a survivor of the Bataan Death March could have changed anyone. I know for a fact the same happened to the survivors of Hiroshima they were changed too.

    Reason why war always must be the last resort!

  • Fae

    I will never support another Tom Hanks movie or Matt Damon. Don’t go to his movie “Green Zone”
    I hope this is the biggest bomb in the box office this year. A point in the movie (as described in a review) where “they get people to CHEER when Sunni insurgents SHOOT DOWN an Army helicopter”. Is Hollywood really this out of touch? Do these elitists sit around at their cocktail parties and really convince themselves that they can “enlighten” the American people making garbage like this?

  • Maribelle

    A beloved family member, who fought so courageously with the 6th Marines on the islands of the South Pacific, thought he would be ho9me for Christmas 1945.  Instead, he was sent to China to help with the hundreds of thousands of Japanese that had surrendered there.  It was imperative to move out the Japanese because of the vengeful communists coming down from the north.  These valiant marines who had fought so hard for all Americans against the Japanese were now willing to pay the ultimate price to save the lives of their former enemy.  Tom Hanks should study the heroism of these Marines and maybe he would eat his words.

    May God bless these Marines and all of our greatest generation as they now make their final journey.  We could never repay them for all they did for us.

  • Hokma

    I agree with you including that it may be one in the same person.

    I am trying to ignore their (his) comments but they are very insulting.

  • AbigailAdams

    There were Japanese attacks on the west coast (CA, OR, British Columbia, etc) by their submarines and incendiary devices they hoped would cause forest fires.  Though they caused little damage, they certainly would have if they could. 

    I’m not sure why Hanks and others thinks it’s wrong for the U.S. to defend itself in war.  I do hope they are not successful in rewriting this period of our history.  The young men and women who valiently fought and gave their lives have been lauded as “The Greatest Generation” for good reason.  Next thing you know we’ll be relocating Arlington National Cemetary in favor of a shrine to Tojo and Hirohito.
    Oh, didn’t bo recently bow deeply to one of the emporer’s relatives? 

  • Cindy

    Annie- My father went off to the South Pacific when my brother was a baby, and didn’t return until he was 4 yrs. old.  Each night during that time, my mother would hold up my father’s picture and tell my brother all about him.
    When my father returned, almost four years later, his train pulled into New Orleans. There were thousands of soldiers arriving, all dressed alike.  But, my brother saw a familiar face in that throng, broke away from my mother and started running as fast as he could towards that familar face yelling “That’s my daddy!”

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Birdbrain from Beantown….Or is it Braindead from Braintree?

    Hey you don’t want me to mock you? To lob insults at you? Then do not do it to others you guilty jackass! I just love the hypocrisy some people judge others by. Especially you Birdbrain!

    I fly the pirate flag just for that reason and just for poeple like you!

  • confused American

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.
     
    Then to top it off what was the overall  living conditions during WW II like for most Americans on the home front  any way……
     
    Remember there were German internment camps in America too for many Germans over here..
     

     
    If not for what our service men did our official language could be German, Japanese or ????

    Overall what we did during most wars was far less that what other countries did to our people, service men and us during wars!!!!

    Does any of this make it right —- NO…..

    Damit how long are people going to keep kicking America in the AZZ…….

    There is nothing today that is going to make it magically right— 

    SO MOVE ON PEOPLE

    Be Proud of what the people before us to keep us the nation we are today.

  • helenk

    Many actors worked for the war effort or joined the service to help win the war. Lou Ayres was a conscientious objector helped in the hospitals serving our troops.
    Today too many who have never had their mettle tested are quick to condemn what they know nothing about. That is not all actors as many go to war zones to entertain the troops and do what they can to help.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • confused American

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.  
     
       
    Remember there were German internment camps in America too for many Germans over here..  
       
    Then to top it off what was the overall  living conditions during WW II like for most Americans on the home front  any way……  

    If not for what our service men did our official language could be German, Japanese or ????  
     
    Overall what we did during most wars was WAY FAR LESS  that what other countries did to our people, service men and our country!!!  
     
    Does any of this make it right —- NO…..  
     
    DAMNIT  how long are people going to keep kicking America in the AZZ…….  
     
      
    There is nothing today that is going to make it magically right—   
     
    SO MOVE ON PEOPLE  
     
    Be Proud of what the people before us did and gave to keep and make our country nation we are today.  

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yes Cindy, it’s all about revisionism.

    Paraphrasing: If you control the present, you can control the past. If you control the past, you can control the future. –George Orwell.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    “Their ignorant shame knows NO bounds!”

    I laughed at the “ignorant” remark coming from an astute political observer like Ladydawnelle here, who supports Sarah as President. It’s bad enough we have one lame inexperienced legislator in residence right now. Let’s really screw up the world and elect another one from the other side of the broken political isle.

    To quote Tom Hanks ….” Stupid is as stupid does”!

  • confused American

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.  
       
    Then to top it off what was the overall  living conditions during WW II like for most Americans on the home front  any way……  
       
    Remember there were German internment camps in America too for many Germans over here..  
       
     
       
    If not for what our service men did our official language could be German, Japanese or ????  
     
     
    Overall what we did during most wars was far less that what other countries did to our people, service men and us during wars!!!!  
     
    Does any of this make it right —- NO…..  
     
    Damit how long are people going to keep kicking America in the AZZ…….  
     
     
     
    There is nothing today that is going to make it magically right—   
     
    SO MOVE ON PEOPLE  
     
    Be Proud Of What The People Before Us Did and Gave To Make and Keep Us The Nation We Are Today.

  • oowawa

    You fly the pirate flag because you’re a bonehead.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Another great movie of women POW’s  is “Playing For Time” (I think that’s the name)

  • confused American

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.    
         
    Then to top it off what was the overall  living conditions during WW II like for most Americans on the home front  any way……    
         
    Remember there were German internment camps in America too for many Germans over here..    
         
       
         
    If not for what our service men did our official language could be German, Japanese or ????    
       
       
    Overall what we did during most wars was far less that what other countries did to our people, service men and us during wars!!!!    
       
    Does any of this make it right —- NO…..    
       
    Damit how long are people going to keep kicking America in the AZZ…….    
       
       
       
    There is nothing today that is going to make it magically right—     
       
    SO MOVE ON PEOPLE    
       
    Be Proud Of What The People Before Us Did and Gave To Make and Keep Us The Nation We Are Today.

  • confused American

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.    
         
    Then to top it off what was the overall  living conditions during WW II like for most Americans on the home front  any way……    
         
    Remember there were German internment camps in America too for many Germans over here..    
         
       
         
    If not for what our service men did our official language could be German, Japanese or ????    
       
       
    Overall what we did during most wars was far less that what other countries did to our people, service men and us during wars!!!!    
       
    Does any of this make it right —- NO…..    
       
    Damit how long are people going to keep kicking America in the AZZ…….    
       
       
       
    There is nothing today that is going to make it magically right—     
       
    SO MOVE ON PEOPLE    
       
    Be Proud Of What The People Before Us Did and Gave To Make and Keep Us The Nation We Are Today.

  • Docelder

    Doesn’t this administration epitimize this philosophy? Control the message and control the perception of reality itself. Most of what we see in the media and coming from Hollywood is manufactured reality now. The problem is the line between them is quickly disappearing. There less difference now between what Hollywood manufactures via revisionist directors and what our news media manufactures with this administration doing the directing.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Hokma

    This I find extremely funny? Are you referring to me? Yes I am rather insulting (to some) but I am a mirror of yourself and others like you (Birdbrain).  I will continue to insult as long as you and your kind throw around half facts and truths and insult others.

    So since you reared your arsine head again…. What no apology for the bigoted Jew hater remarks you threw at me for unjustly?  Coward!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Hokma 
     
    This I find extremely funny? Are you referring to me? Yes I am rather insulting (to some) but I am a mirror of yourself and others like you (Birdbrain).  I will continue to insult as long as you and your kind throw around half facts and truths and insult others.  
     
    So since you reared your arsine head again…. What no apology for the bigoted Jew hater remarks you threw at me unjustly you ignorant coward!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    oowawa… Another of NO’s PHD’s! What your seeing is yourself in the mirror! So when you stop acting like a bonehead so will the reflection….

  • oowawa

    There is no racial animosity here:

    http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=51691

  • Onofre’s arm

    Immediately after Pearl Harbor, my grandfather realized that because the Japanese had so crippled our Pacific fleet, that the entire west coast was wide open for invasion; there was little to stop the Japanese had they decided to invade as they did to China. Based upon his concern of this invasion, Grandpa wrapped several rifles and ample ammunition in cellophane and buried them on his farm………….IN MINNESOTA! 

    When I was a kid I saw the great movie “The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!” in the theater with my parents. Toward the end of the movie, the Russian sub cruised into the tiny harbor of the island, and the crew trained it’s machine gun on the crowd that had gathered. Without a word, Every single member of the crowd lifted up and aimed back at the sub with squirrel rifles, shotguns, WW I relics, BB guns, pistols, and any other weapon that they had. A Mexican standoff! My dad (a WW II vet) whispered to me “That’s why no foreign power will ever be able to conquer this country.” To this day, every time I see that scene, I tear up, even though it was a comedy, not only because I can hear my dad whispering to me from his grave, but also because I love the power of the American spirit and our defiance of dark forces displayed in the scene. 

  • confused American

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.      
           
    Then to top it off what was the overall  living conditions during WW II like for most Americans on the home front  any way……      
           
    Remember there were German internment camps in America too for many Germans over here..      
           
         
           
    If not for what our service men did our official language could be German, Japanese or ????      
         
         
    Overall what we did during most wars was far less that what other countries did to our people, service men and us during wars!!!!      
         
    Does any of this make it right —- NO…..      
         
    DAMNITTTTT
         

    How long are people going to keep kicking Our Country  in the AZZ    
         
     
    There is nothing today that is going to make any of  it magically right—       
         
    SO MOVE ON PEOPLE      
         
    Be Proud Of What The People Before Us Did and Gave To Make and Keep Us The Nation We Are Today.  



  • AnnieCarmel

    I saw that too…would see it again.  It was a really well done film.  Thanks for the reminder.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Outstanding oowawa! I’m sure your double entendre cruised about ten miles over Jackoff Swallow’s tiny little “bonehead”!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Wow!  What a great memory.  I’ll bet your brother told that story a lot.  How sweet.

  • Ladydawnelle

    hey doofus – I am NO WAY ashamed of Sarah

    and being IGNORANT is different than stupid, imo
    ignorance is intentional, imo
    which level of intelligence I happen to be at is my own road
    SARAH is an honest, heartwarming, quick X Gov of a state I MUCH admire. 
    YOu can’t judge a persons OPINION as they are their OWN.
    but you CAN judge accomplishments and LIES and BS!!
    (what about this confuses you?)

  • AnnieCarmel

    That’s news to me too, helenk.  I am enjoying all of these family stories so much.  Thanks everyone.  It fills me with a feeling of the essence of what it is to be American.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Their job is to offend and get you to engage with their dumbass remarks.  Just ignore.

  • helenk

    To this day  i will not eat margarine. Even flies do not like margarine.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    If your ashamed of Obama and not ashamed of Palin then there is something wrong with you. The fact is you are being critical of Obama ( and rightly so) but Palin is no light bulb and not any better than Obama and maybe worse. Be ing the Governor of Alaska is about as big a deal as it is to be a County Commissioner in many of the larger states. Based on her performance as Governor you and all others should be scared! Lies? Palin is not above any of that!

    That is the point I make. Be fair and reasonable when you critique!

  • Hillary or Bust

    I think a far bigger story than this Tom Hanks SNAFU is the story about Sean Penn praising Hugo Chavez and then kicking out a reporter from his press conference for questioning him.

    Tom Hanks is a well-meaning idiot apparently. Sean Penn, on the other hand, is turning into a little fascist dictator. 

  • Docelder

    Nothing is is scary as a hockey mom I guess. Except maybe a hockey mom that loves America and believes in Americans. But somebody that was raised completely outside if the continental US and that hates America and thinks Americans are stupid… that might just be the smartest President ever. Only the media and Hollywood come come up with and sell something so asinine.

  • stodghie

    nogain, little revisionist history huh! i note how you ignore the hatred from the muslim world. now that is just so cute.  and incredibly stupid.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Well lookie here the other member of the NO Morons Choir….Onofre’s arm….  So couch potato what have to done lately to make the world a better place?  Yes i know you have done so much that even you need to rest…..

  • AnnieCarmel

    There was an Army training camp right outside my hometown in Arkansas which also housed German and Italian POW’s.  They were not mistreated at all…fed as well as our soldiers. It was a bit scarry because locals were always a bit concerned some might escape.

    In a “six degrees of separation” moment in the late 70′s, I met one of those former prisioners.  He had been drafted into the Italian army at 16 and was repatriated after the war.  He began painting portriats when he was returned to Italy, eventually painting Autro Toscannini who later sponsored him to come to the USA.  Roberto Lupetti was a successful painter living in Carmel when I met him and in speaking of his history we discovered our connection to Camp (later Fort) Chaffee. He married an American woman; an illustrator he taught classical oil technique.  Roberto died some years back but Lynn Lupetti still has a gallery in Carmel.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Inustice is injustice there is no other side or middle ground.

  • stodghie

    jack, get off your self righteous backside and stop insulting people here at no quarter. you don’t like it, hit the frigging road.

  • Cindy

    Annie—yes, and both of my parents were stunned, because my brother was only 6 months old when my father left for war!
    I think that story is a testament to the strength and determination of young American mothers back then…..My mother was determined that her baby  would know and love his father, if only through a picture, which was all she had.

  • Cindy

    Onofre—what a wonderful story!!

  • AnnieCarmel

    No one will ever make me believe that the USA is not the best, most generous nation on the face of the earth.  I had to hold my tongue yesterday at the salon where I have my hair cut.  Talking about the Academy Awards (boring as hell this time) an otherwise intelligent woman from the UK explaining the moral lesson of Avatar…how the West is ruining the planet by wanting more of everything.  The inference of course is that we in the US are just a bunch of corrupt corporatists and pretty much good for nothing.  I’m surprised she didn’t see the steam coming out of my ears but I thought better of expressing my opinion to a woman with sissors in close proximity to my head.  I doubt I will see Avatar but I did like The Hurt Locker.  I thought it was sympathetic to our troops.

    I heard a story about Sean Penn’s ex (who has filed for divorce), dating one of the producers of The Hurt Locker.  Sean boy confronted the guy back stage and was banned from the Governors ball as a consequence.  I know.  We don’t give a flying fig about these jerks but anytime Sean gets a slap down it tickles me and is worthy of being passied on.

  • Noogan

    “The jew hater.” So says the Arab hater. So says the racist liar. 

    Everyone is a “jew hater” if they don’t agree with you, right Hokma? 

    You’re pathetic; a pathetic and ugly hate-monger, liar and racist. 

    You support racist policies; you lie about them when confronted; and you fill your comments with lies in order to defend your blatant racism. 

    What the Purim Video reveals about the racism embedded in Israel Apartheid:
    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/dear-congress-what-the-purim-video-reveals-about-the-racism-embedded-in-the-israeli-state-structure.html

    Since 1949, the US has given Israel over $100 billion in direct aid, and the indirect forms of aid are orders of magnitude greater. That the vice president of the United States (and therefore the president himself) were ambushed by the prime minister in this arrogant and nearly sadistic manner raises the severest questions about why US taxpayer money should flow in such enormous amounts to a country that is actively and on a massive scale violating the Hague Agreement of 1907 and the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 on the treatment of populations by occupiers. And this at a time when the US budget deficit is ballooning and there is not enough government money to take care of the needs of US citizens. The argument that Israel is a security asset for the United States is undermined if the Israelis are provoking enmity toward the United States among 1.5 billion Muslims by their inexorable annexation of Palestinian land and daily oppression of the Palestinian people.
    http://www.juancole.com/

  • Noogan

    The apartheid will end when Israelis experience the consequenceshttp://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100207/OPINION/702069887/1080

  • Onofre’s arm

    What have I done lately? Hmmmm………let’s see………..OH YEAH, two days ago I gave CPR to an an 85 year old man, in front of his wife, and he actually came back from having no carotid pulse, he pinked up, and he started breathing again after I swept the food he had choked on, from his mouth. The other couch potatoes who were with me managed to back-board him, get him to the helicopter, and watched him get airlifted to the Harborview ER, all in less than 25 minutes! I’m a volunteer fireman/EMT, you stinking fuckwad. I don’t like to brag about this because I don’t do it for personal glory, that would diminish my motives, I do it out of a desire to be of service to the community that I love. But I’m sure my motives are incomprehensible to you, you radiate hatred and the impregnable arrogance of a colossal fool. 

  • Noogan

    Only ignorant Americans think the way you do Hokma. Only racists would support Israeli policies in the West Bank and Gaza. God knows, most informed people certainly do not, and that means Jews. 

    All those Jews are “Jew Haters” in your ugly, dark, ignorant world view. People like Amira Hass and Sara Roy, and so many more, whose parents were Holocaust survivors, and who reject the ugly racist policies our taxpayer dollars support. If people only knew what they were supporting, they’d be appalled. But as long as they are ignorant of it, people like you, can get away with spewing epithets like “Jew hater.” 

    You are the “Jew Hater” Hokma, only you, and those like you. 

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1156251.html

  • Noogan

    Stodgie, your “revisionist history” lie is what is incredibly stupid. Israeli policy creates more Muslim hatred, and certainly does no favor to Israelis or to Jews worldwide. 

  • AnnieCarmel

    Yep, Damon is on my list too.  Netflix is the way I escape these boobs…watch the oldies but goodies.  As I mentioned up thread, I’ve been re-watching a lot of WWII films and later films about the war.  A book I liked very much was “The Legacy” by Neville Shute.  A great read.  I think it was later made into a BBC Series called “A Town Like Alice”.  A female British civil servant in Singapore is taken prisioner; helped by an Aussie POW, inherits money after the war and tracks down the man who saved her life.  A lot of it is about the treatment of POW’s of the Japanese. 

    Spielberg managed to make a great film, “Empire of the Sun” about Japanese POW brutality…and he certainly has given the Germans their due in educating the public about the holocaust.  So I give credit where credit’s due.  I can’t imagine what led Hanks to put his foot in his mouth after being involved as co-producer of “Band of Brothers”, “Saving Private Ryan”, etc.  Uncle Buddy (101st Airborne) thought those portrayals ere very accurate.

  • Cindy

    Onofre—I clicked before I finished my comment—
    That scene in Russians are Coming was powerful, and like you say, it was just a comedy. Your father sounded like a wise man.

  • Noogan

    Richard Goldstone is a “jew hater” too, right Hokma? In your world Jews are Jew-Haters. How pathetic. I think you are a racist, and you are the real “Jew hater,” Hokma.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Goldstone

  • Noogan

    Look, more “jew haters” right, Hokma?

    http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp

  • Ladydawnelle

    “be fair and reasonable when I critique”

    lmao like I”m waiting instructions (or orders) from the likes of you trollie???  I don’t LIVE ON THIS BLOG like you do.  I just noticed!  You YAPYAPYAP like some rabid dog.  YIKES!  I’ll just stop responding to your BS and maybe you’ll just fade away like the fool you appear to be……….. and I’m not looking for your opinion on how I SHOULD chat here!  jeez wtf is wrong with some people?

  • Ladydawnelle

    yapyapyapyap

  • oowawa

    “What your seeing is yourself in the mirror! So when you stop acting like a bonehead so will the reflection….”

    This is indeed an excellent smackdown.  In fact it rephrases the famous argument articulated by Pee Wee Herman: “I’m rubber, you’re glue–Bounces off me and sticks to you . . . “  Except Pee Wee probably would have known that “you are” is spelled “you’re,” not “your.”

  • oowawa

    Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: “What your seeing is yourself in the mirror! So when you stop acting like a bonehead so will the reflection….” 
     
    This is indeed an excellent smackdown.  In fact it rephrases the famous argument articulated by Pee Wee Herman: “I’m rubber, you’re glue–Bounces off me and sticks to you . . . “  Except Pee Wee probably would have known that “you are” is spelled “you’re,” not “your.”

  • confused American

    Captain Jack Sparrow<img src=”//cdn.js-kit.com/images/icon10-external-url.png”/> you’re an insult to the character and actor who protrays Jack Sparrow . 

    Cant wait until one day you find yourself up against some wall.  I’m sure you wouldn’t be violent as to defend yourself now would you. But if you did and landed a sucker punch on your mugger breaking their jaw what you going to do to you when they sue you….for attacking them.

    Overall our nation has bend over backwards in regards to our enemies and their treatment.   IF our enemies were to pay back just a small % of the money we spent rebuilding their countries we’d be in a lot better financial shape and thats not counting the interest.

  • oowawa

    Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: “What your seeing is yourself in the mirror! So when you stop acting like a bonehead so will the reflection….” 
     
    Wow, this is indeed an excellent smackdown.  In fact it rephrases the famous argument articulated by Pee Wee Herman: “I’m rubber, you’re glue–Bounces off me and sticks to you . . . “  And indeed, I’m sure Pee Wee would have known that “you are” is spelled “you’re,” and not “your.”

  • Noogan

    Yes, and they’re all “jew haters” right Hokma? You are the one who is insulting, Hokma. You call everyone a “jew hater.” 

    God, you are pathetic. 

    Everyone on the planet is a Jew Hater” to you; do you realize how sick you sound? 

    I’m not going to ignore your brazen “jew hater” insults anymore, Hokma. From now on, I’m going to give back to you what you dish out. I’m sick of you “brain dead retards” who think you can use offensive and disgusting epithets to shut up the truth about your own racism. 

    Apparently, you support Israel taking our money and giving our weapons systems to China. In your view, anyone who doesn’t support this, is a “jew hater.” Because, of course, to you, there is no dissent allowed from Israeli policy; if you dissent, you are, by default, a “jew hater.” 

    http://www.defencetalk.com/us-imposes-sanctions-against-israeli-arms-industry-over-sales-to-china-2967/
    http://www.meforum.org/926/at-what-cost-israel-china-ties

  • Onofre’s arm

    I tried to explain the difference between “your” and “you’re to Jackswallow before oowawa. Perhaps the distinction is too blunt for someone with such nuanced and esoteric sensibilities.

    In the proper hands, the English language can be a marvelously precise surgical instrument. In Jackswallow’s clumsy talons, it becomes a blob of senseless goo. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    I tried to explain the difference between “your” and “you’re” to Jackswallow before oowawa. Perhaps the distinction is too blunt for someone with such nuanced and esoteric sensibilities. 
     
    In the proper hands, the English language can be a marvelously precise surgical instrument. In Jackswallow’s clumsy talons, it becomes a blob of senseless goo. 

  • TiredOfSufferingFoolsGladly

    ‘Be fair and reasonable when you critique!’

    What a riot, coming from you, Captain Jackass! 

  • Onofre’s arm

    My dad was far wiser than I could ever hope to be. I miss his remarkable counsel.

  • Onofre’s arm

    His mother didn’t raise no fool.

    He was born that way!

  • WhatNow

    After reading these comments it dawned on me that many younger Americans are judging history with current political correctness. Judge history by what actually was happening to everyone.

    As someone points out, the Japanese Internies barely had food. Well, guess what, Americans barely had food.  Women in the camps were being raped, women all over the world were being raped, etc.

    In our current political correctness bubble, none of this is acceptable. Back then, it was a way of life for EVERYONE. That’s why we need to learn the entire history and not take history and pespective out of context.

  • oowawa

    The terms “racist” and “jew-hater” should not be used without familiarity with this chapter in Mein Kampf, “Nation and Race.”  It should be the touchstone by which these epithets are evaluated:

    http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html

    Now this is racism and jew-hating indeed.

  • Docelder

    Hollywood is full of “useful idiots”.

  • Docelder

    We don’t need Hollywood. They need us. Screw them. I would like to see a national campaign to boycott Hollywood. No movie attendance and no DVD purchases until the industry has their next Oscar presentation and the theme of the event is to apologize for their arrogance. I would like to see how much you could make acting in movies made in Venezuela or Mexico. Not much I would imagine.

  • Noogan

    Oowawa, my argument is not with you; it is with Hokma. But, I will not accept being called such vile names. Period. Hokma invoked the label “jew hater” and I intend to bring it right back to him. His vile spew shames him alone. I do not intend to allow him to call me a “jew hater” when I am nothing of the kind. I know what I’m talking about on the issue of Israeli policy and I know what many Jews say about it–to which, I will add, Hokma would call them “jew haters!” Hokma is intentionally and deliberately espousing RACIST ideology and using offensive and insulting epithets to silence anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy. Therefore, yes, Mein Kampf is certainly racist and anti-semitic, but that has nothing to do with me. And, in fact, some Jews would argue that Israeli policy has turned into the very same nationalist, fascist image:

    “With the rogue triumvirate of Netanyahu, Barak, and Lieberman, Israel is now ruled by the most nationalist, racist, and fanatical government it has ever had. On top of that, the main opposition party, led by the ultra-nationalist Livni and the opportunistic professional soldier Mofaz, offers yet another duplicate of the government’s narrative, so that the ever narrower public discourse is framed by two ideological and political twins, offering no alternative whatsoever. In fact, the Israeli far Right has now more than 80 percent of the seats in the Knesset – the rest being the Arab parties, Meretz, and a dubious dissenting faction within Labor. Thus the Israeli media consumer is not even exposed to anything but nationalist at best, racist at worst, anti-Palestinian, anti-peace, pro-occupation brainwashing.”
    http://original.antiwar.com/hacohen/2009/07/19/fascism-needs-an-enemy/

  • AC

    Test

  • AC

    Hey what happened to this comment box? also noticed that the time registered is one hour behind. I don’t see that little link and those other thingies.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes! just a shame internet reaches that ship he’s on.  However who let it dock here?

  • oowawa

    Hey, I got all my little thingies, AC.  Try rebooting your computer(?)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly confused american. The way some of these actors talk they need to be careful history is not repeated !!

  • Cindy

    Onofre—I know you say you don’t do your job for personal glory, but people like you are what make this country great….We just need MORE like you!

  • Cindy

    Annie—What an amazing connection. wow.

  • Cindy

    AC—I don’t know, but this particular thread was “off the air” for awhile. Weird!

  • confused American

    It was like POOF!!!!! Gone—Looks like Larry bumped it

  • AnnieCarmel

    Same here!  Ir’s butter or nothing!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes “Thank God” America was right there with us in England! It gave me the luxury of a wonderful life here in the USA.
    My mother was 9 when war was declared in England. I did a write up last night but deleted it as this post is about the Americans who gave their life to make sure the world would be a better place for us all.
     
    My mother will be 80 in November, not bad considering she lost both her parents in the first yr of WW11 and a brother who gave his life at El Alamein. Today is Mother’s day in England so not only do I celebrate her life as a mother I would like to thank you all here who’s family stood strong in the face of adversity!
     
    God bless America!

  • confused American

    That’s one of the biggest problems, being politically correct.
    Are our history books going to get better at depicting the why of our American Wars–I don’t think so. 
     
    Lately so many people are  using history as their excuse for why they commit crimes or can’t make it.  They did it or   deserve special Privileges (usually $$$)  because someone/country way back when  many yearrs ago  did this to someone of their race, religion, culture, ethnicity, gender, gender orientation and/or ???
     

    Pull Yourself Up And MOVE On

  • sowsear

    When you are doing genealogy, you do find some revisionist family history, too.  Maybe daddy’s cusint wasn’t a nice guy.

  • AnnieCarmel

    There was a fascinating post on deweyfromdetroit.com a month or so ago.  He was comparing what happened to cities in Japan and the US since WWII.  He showed the shots of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the bomb then and the booming cities they have become since.  Of course, no one would like to go through bombing in order to be rebuilt…but…at the time of the bomb, Detroit was the boom city and now there are sections that look as if its been bombed.  His pictures of Detroit are heartbreaking and, as he wrote, are the result of “progressive, minority” leadership.  You could say the same of Germany.  We rebuilt all of them and we are being repaid royally today.  Did they ever cease being our adversaries?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    waving to you all

    < img src=http://www.iol.ie/~gtir/misc/wave/hi.gif >

  • helenk

    JustMe
     it was called WORLD WAR 2 because once again people and governments of different countries came together to fight a common enemy. America did her part and many other countries along with her did theirs.
    I am glad you still have your mom. Please listen to her history so you can pass it on to  others. Never let it be forgotten.
    If we forget history we are bound to  relive it.
    Thank you for the music.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPEREINCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • AnnieCarmel

    This is the reason that all of us who remember need to tell our children and grandchildren how it was.  I am trying to put our family history down on paper for my grandchildren.  They need to know why things are the way they are now for them and how much was sacrificed.

  • AC

    Appreciate the responses you all.  Will try what you suggested.  I’ve been reduces to “drive by” comments lately as trying to get spring planting underway and all my spare moments have been outdoors.  And then if it’s raining like today then it’s indoor chores (winter/cold weather is the best time to patch any small hairline cracks in drywall), refurbishing toilet washers and other small but necessary maintenance items today.
    I do appreciate the response oowawa, Cindy, and confused American.
    oowawa, got some Rucola growing just for you. By the way, rebooting did help–lets see if the administrator has adjusted to daylight savings time Spring Forward correct?

  • Katmoon

    Now the fear is seeing a service vehicle drive up to someone’s home; so scary

  • Ferd Berfle

    Hanks never spoke to any of my 6 uncles who served in WWII or to my Father, the second eldest, who served in the late 20s when officers carried a Wilkinson sword and were still mounted a la the original cavalry. That generation, grew up during WWI, survived the dust bowl, endured a depression, and then simultaneously beat two enemies into unconditional surrender. Hey, Tommy, what has your (our) generation actually done not only for the country but for the world? I’m waiting for an answer. My response is not a whole hell of a lot. While I served, I would never compare it to the service of those who did the fighting and dying against a real and extremely dangerous enemy who could have conceivably won. You don’t know squat.

  • sowsear

    During the summer, up at our camp, we can get Canadian stations that play old songs exclusively. What a blast into the past.

  • sowsear

    During the summer, up at our camp, we can get Canadian stations that play old songs exclusively. What a blast into the past.

  • Ferd Berfle

    DID THE NAZIS CALL THEIR CONCENTRATION CAMPS…RELOCATION/INTERNMENT CENTERS???  
    =====================
    Wow, BBF, you’re no logician–this is the epitome of the false analogy. The Japanese internment camps were not death camps; no one was sent to ovens or gas chamber; and we didn’t round up Japanese from all over the world for imprisoning. You need to continue your education beyond the 8th grade level if you think you’re ever going to hold down a job with responsibilities other than recommending fries to the clientele.

    You

  • confused American

    Was teaching a reading class about 5 years back.  We were reading a story about Jackie Robinson…Inner City School…Mostly 5th and 6th graders…2 Hispanics and the rest were black…

    Not one of them understood why Robinson went through what he did because he was black, Only that he should have been making the big bucks.

    Now is more recent history than WWII?? =-O

  • Katmoon

    Sparrow-you are of course a condiscending PIG, as far as hipocrisy, you take the cake. Or are only the elitists allowed opinions and not us average folk? Perhaps you have a need to believe that somehow people are not swayed by revisionist history created by Hollywood; sadly as evidenced by the last election these are the same mental giants who do not require the same standard between candidates of the same party. All these nasty things you hurl at arabella, you need only stand in a mirror to truly see their origin. I realize it is impossible to point that same jugement and finger at yourself, far more brave of you to toss around your bully-ish rhetoric, pointed at one person on a blog. Seek some anger mangement help, you are quite ugly inside.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    It’s

     ”A Town Called Alice”.

  • sowsear

    When I was in high school, the war was just over, and I remember skipping school to go to a town about 9 miles away to stand in the nylon line. Each person could get two pair.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The next issue for Tom will be reparations, I’m sure.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Really ya know

    They open their mouths before their brain is engaged! =-O

  • sowsear

    When I was a child, oleomargarine had to be sold white because of the dairy lobby. We did not use oleo, even though we were as poor as they came, but I rermember one time coming home from a friend’s house and asking my mother why we couldn’t have white butter.

  • confused American

    Was teaching a reading class about 5 years back.  We were reading a story about Jackie Robinson…Inner City School…Mostly 5th and 6th graders…2 Hispanics and the rest were black… 
     
    Not one of them understood why Robinson went through what he did because he was black, Only that he should have been making the big bucks. 
     
    Now is that is more recent history than WWII????  =-O

  • AnnieCarmel

    “as big a deal as it is to be a County Commissioner in many of the larger states.” 

    Eh…you do know that Alaska is our largest state?

  • AnnieCarmel

    Thanks…that makes more sense!    Did you enjoy it?

  • confused American

    If one were to look at our World History from the beginning of man , technically every single person in the world would deserve reparations from some country, culture, race  or ???? for what was done to their ancestors.

  • AC

    Even the guys?

  • AnnieCarmel

    Ferd, aren’t you aware that minorities are the only people who have suffered indignities, humiliation, discrimination, hardship, starvation and bankruptcy?

  • Ferd Berfle

    Arabella:

    Real science will be the first to go. The creationists will align themselves with the GW crowd and junk science will be taught in lieu of true inductive reasoning. Your tx dollars ar work.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    “ By the way, when was the last time any of you hero’s and critics volunteered at your local food pantry?”

    well lets see first off, capt swallow  instead of criticizing everyone on here, why don’t YOU post a list of what you have done lately besides spooge on your monitor for everything obama and swirl it in your dirty mouth.

    Do you know tom hanks personally? or do you jerk off to him too?

  • AnnieCarmel

    The only surprise I had during Black History Month was that there wasn’t a constant re-play of “Roots” on all the MSM back to back…followed by a “progressive” production telling us why we owe and how much to minorities for breathing the same air. 

  • Katmoon

    Especially when one from Hollywood, who more than likely has never served uses the experience of making films about war a substitute experience, and knowledge from more than an imagined political advantage.  As we see now with the wars at hand, those who have not served can only go by second hand reporting, there are both sides to war, as that is what it is. As happens more and more frequently today, political desires substitute for learning or experiencing an actual event, let alone allowing an entire truth to be told. When historical facts are distorted and allowed to be, it is not only insulting it is damaging to the context of the event and is done so with purpose to make a new minimizing “historical” point from the past to apply toward an event or events unfolding currently.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Noogan — I come to this site on a fairly regular basis. I don’t think I’ve ever seen your screen name before today. So can we assume you are hiding behind a new name? Or perhaps you came here specifically to attack a regular poster? It’s obvious that you’ve been reading here for awhile to be familiar with Hokma.

    You make certain assumptions that just are not true. You should try to stick to the topic at hand instead of hijacking the comments section for your own grandstanding.

  • carol haka

    Damn, I missed the sea change.  I thought “Blood for Oil” was the Iraq mantra.  When did it change to “racism”?

    Hard to keep up.

    I guess since we didn’t get any oil, it must have been racism.

    My Bad

    >:o

  • sowsear

    I don’t see some in the American public who would boycott Hollywood. They seem to be addicted to glitz. They are into movie stars, celebrities, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, and on and on.
    Did you see that Simon Cowell bought himself a one million dollar car? Now that’s conspicuous consumption.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Ferd, aren’t you aware that minorities are the only people who have suffered indignities, humiliation, discrimination, hardship, starvation and bankruptcy?
    ==================
    For sure, Annie. No one in my Celtic ancestry ever did a damn thing for anyone since one cannot include such items as fighting for independence and in every other US military engagement through the Vietnam War as hardship. My family has always served but that doesn’t count as much as skin color or an ability to spin lies.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Nah, Onofre, he achieved it all by himself. You have to work really hard to be that foolish.

  • sowsear

    One of my cousins married a German woman when he was stationed over there. Recently we were having lunch and talking about how poor we were during the war. I said, we were always hungry before the war and during. She said we were hungry after the war.

  • sowsear

    I’l bet you’re glad about that, Oowawa.

  • Katmoon

    Oowawa I think I feel that familiar nausea from about a year ago (or longer) when I read the birdbrain..common to other poserposters…Little debbie, Uk for Dems..names that start with a T..and of course Ml…different day, changing the name same pattern drive by blog crapping. Nonsense, insults, empty rhetoric to match the empty skulls of these fools. I think it is a right of passage for the wee babes of bots. 8-)  irritating to be sure, but every now and then good place to sharpen the teeth; otherwise not very entertaining. Simlpetons, without an opinion of their own. Perhaps we should pity them while ignoring.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I think that equine has been flogged into oblivion.

  • carol haka

    My dad died on June 6, 2009, at 83 years old.

    The night before his funeral we found out he was the Valedictorian of his small high school in West Texas.  He had joined the Army at 17, right after he graduated from high school.  He was in theatre less than 10 months before he had 3 bullet holes in him next to his groin and frost bite of both feet.

    He was ultimately sent back to the states to Colorado. And, then he was released after a hospital stay.

    My dad lived an entire life without a racist bone in his body. 

    Tom Hanks needs to shut his ignorant mouth.  I am surprised Speilberg doesn’t wash his mouth out with soap.

    Why do these morons keep spouting off?  How stupid are they really?

    Matt Damon’s movie tanked this weekend.  That’s what happens when you make fun of Sarah Palin.

    Apologies to the American People are appropriate.

    I’m waiting ………………

    >:o

    I’m

  • Doc99

    You left out Kennedy’s rant.

  • Ferd Berfle

    “Israeli policy creates more Muslim hatred, and certainly does no favor to Israelis or to Jews worldwide.”

    Actually, toodles, it is the Islamists and Jihadists, who by inciting their own to attack Israel, that cause the cycle of violence to continue. The cycle of violence then feeds to hatred which is then re-stoked by the Islamists. When the fanatics feeding this fire stop, so will the violence. I place blame on both sides, but the Israelis do have a right to defend themselves and the violence won’t cease until the Islamists and Jihadists stop it. But do blather on, Noodnick.

  • Doc99

    Related – the latest in the Hollwood Left’s Anti-Iraq War movies, “Green Zone” bombed this weekend.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025829.php

    Matt Damon …

  • Ferd Berfle

    “Israeli policy creates more Muslim hatred, and certainly does no favor to Israelis or to Jews worldwide.” 
     
    Actually, toodles, it is the Islamists and Jihadists, who by inciting their own to attack Israel, that cause the cycle of violence to continue. The cycle of violence then feeds to hatred which is then re-stoked by the Islamists. When the fanatics feeding this fire stop it, so will the violence. I place blame on both sides, but the Israelis do have a right to defend themselves and the violence won’t cease until the Islamists and Jihadists stop it. But do blather on, Noodnick.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Actually Annie you are correct it is

     ”A Town Like Alice”.

    This adaptation of Nevil Shute’s best-seller looks dated now that the cinema is rather less reticent in depicting wartime brutalities. Needless to say, it’s stiff upper-lips and Japanese stereotypes all round as a group of female PoWs suffer at the hands of their captors. The US release title, The Rape of Malaya, was more explicit than the movie itself

    The BBC ran Tenko
     BBC TV’s long-running series Tenko capitalised on the same formula.

    http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/504487/index.html

  • sowsear

    There definitely is a lot more that could be said about ‘gods’ that demand punishment for anyone who questions them or the tenets of their religion….maybe not politically correct.

  • confused American

    If you talking Irish or Scottish, they have their had their own long history of discrimination from England and when they first reached the shores of America.

  • lorac

    lol oowawa you left yourself wide open with that first sentence!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    If you follow this link takes you to the whole series!

    Plus an updated version here

  • AbigailAdams

    And, I think it’s probably true that Americans as a whole were anti-Japanese after Pearl Harbor. 

    You’re kidding, right?  Why do you think Americans were anti-Japanese after Pearl Harbor????  Gosh, how un-PC of us. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    If you talking Irish or Scottish, they have their had their own long history of discrimination from England and when they first reached the shores of America.
    ====================
    I’m Welsh paternally and Greek maternally. No Anglo or Saxon here.

  • confused American

    My mom and mother-in-la talked about drawing a line up their leg to look like they had on stockings.

    Mother-in-law was in WWII.  Talk about crazy clothes….Army green bloomers, slips, and bras… :-D    But they were so proud to be able to serve.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    bombed…… we use that word so freely these days.
     
    How about the public told him to shove it where the sun don’t shine! =-O

  • Docelder

    Who wants to see another apologist movie? “That One” has pretty much spent year one of his presidency apologizing non-stop. It should be played out by now except for the most die hard of America haters. Here’s to Hollywood declaring bankruptcy and here’s to telling them where to go when they come around crying for a bailout.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Y’all reminded me of my dad’s “war story”. Daddy was too young to enlist, but he lied about his age to get into the navy at the end of WWII. Coming from a dusty north Texas town, he wanted to see the world. Trouble was Daddy didn’t know how to swim and he found he got seasick. Whenever we kids would ask about his time in the Pacific, he’d chuckle and say he spent the war reading comic books and peeling potatoes. He always made jokes about his time in the service. But there was a memento he kept hidden in the garage, wrapped in an old blanket: a Japanese sword and sheath he’d picked up on a long-ago beach and didn’t want us to know about. It wasn’t until I was an adult that my grandmother told me Daddy had been at Iwo Jima 3 days after the battle started – for clean-up and all that implies.

    Once I remember as a child making a comment about how the Japanese were bad people to’ve caused a war and how he must hate them. My normally taciturn father turned red and scolded me in no uncertain terms. He insisted that God loves all his children and I’d better never say anything like that again. I learned something important about daddy that day, and about forgiveness.

  • Breeze

    “…got some Rucola growing…”

    ME TOO!

  • sowsear

    When one of my grandsons was in first grade or so, his teacher brought up the Civil Rights Movement during a lesson about Martin Luther King. She started asking the children what they knew about him and at some point asked if anyone knew about Rosa Parks and the bus. My grandson raised his hand up immediately and said I know about “The Bus”. He played football for the Pittsburg Steelers.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    only if they wore a dress and stilettos AC ;)

  • Ferd Berfle

    You know, wars are hell. If you don’t want to experience hell, then don’t start wars. The Japanese learned that the hard way. I’m sorry their leaders wouldn’t listen to their military but that is not the fault of the U.S. They attacked us and we defeated them by using everything we had in our arsenal. To do less would have been irresponsible on our part. Sorry, Tom, you’ll get no apologies from me or anyone in my family.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    So I am paternally English, Irish and Scottish maternally.
    Guess just dangerous really!

    And just a mixed up American today! ;)  

  • Ferd Berfle

    I guess since we didn’t get any oil, it must have been racism. 
    ==============
    Not really, Carol.

    /sarcasm on

    Those greedy capitalists wanted to corner the market on sand.

    /Sarcasm off

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    “You’re kidding, right?  Why do you think Americans were anti-Japanese after Pearl Harbor????  Gosh, how un-PC of us.

    No abby tell us why we were so anti-Japanese AMERICAN and not anti-German AMERICAN or Anti-Italian AMERICAN? Please hit us with some of that heavy intellect of yours!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    By the way Hokma, you being a Jap Biggot?

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yeah, we’re a dangerous lot. I’ve got my blue paint at the ready.

  • lorac

    May 31, 2008.

  • confused American

    I’m just a Heinz 57 brand Proud American…..

    I have a bit of many world countries in my heritage, but so proud that I was born and raised in the best country in the world….

    Our country has its flaws, especially in DC for the last several years…

    But still the best nation in the world.

    Was born here, Given all the great things I have because of my country and will die knowing I was privileged to have been born and raised and given a living(however meager) in the best country in God’s Great Universe.

    Proud American Woman

  • lorac

    May 31, 2008.

    (supposed to be nested under sparrow’s injustice post)

  • Ferd Berfle

    I believe Hokma, like the rest of the regulars here, has a distinct dislike of buffoonery, stupidity, and mind-numbing blather. That you amply demonstrate each puts a bullseye on your back, dufus. So run along Prime Obot, Little Debbie, ee, UKforDems, mortuus lark, Francis, or whatever you choose to call youself and your many personalities.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    “ What no apology for the bigoted Jew hater remarks you threw at me unjustly you ignorant coward!”

    Well, Jack, you just proved the point. You and your alter egos should find a more hospitable site.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Who even pissed in your backyard Katmoon? Since you pissed in mine why yes Katmoon I am very much being condescending since many here including yourself think that your shit does not stink.

    Opinions? These are not opinions. Many comments here are nothing more than a bunch of spoiled rotten brats that love to bitch and moan without a common frame of reference or any sound advise based on fact. Normally an “opinion is a subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.”

    The problem here is that many posters here do not based their opinions on any known facts just a brunch of emotions based on very little fact or even knowledge and/or experience.

    As far as the pig comment goes. The only pig I know is the one that hangs on street corners… Like you Katmoon!

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Well, Noogan, this’ll make your head explode: I was raised Southern Baptist, but I “friended”  Netanyahu on Facebook.

  • sowsear

    My brother taught one fairly well-known actress when she was in highschool, and he said she was dumb as they come, not that I’m generalizing….

  • Ferd Berfle

    “I’m just a Heinz 57 brand Proud American…..  ”

    No offense meant, CA.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    By the way, Katmoon nice try on the anger management bullshit. I am not angry at anyone just disappointed and annoyed by the lack of tolerance and apathy of many here. But that is what mirrors are for.

    But since your suffering from a bad case of cranial rectal inversion, I will have some sympathy for you. But you sjhould not be pissing in peoples backyards unless your looking to get pissed on yourself.

  • sowsear

    You mean you don’t prefer, “99 problems and not one of them’s a bitch”?

  • Breeze

    Mar 14, 2010Ozzie Guillen: Now hear this Sean Penn USA TODAY.com

    <img style=”margin: 0px; float: none; border: #666 1px solid;” src=”http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/daily-pitch/2010/03/14/spicolix-wide-community.jpg”/> Sean Penn, right, listens to Venezuela President Hugo Chavez during a meeting in 2007.CAPTIONBy Juan Carlos Solorzano, APYou knew having Ozzie Guillen on Twitter was going to make the world a little more entertaining.

    The Chicago White Sox manager had a social media outburst over the weekend when he took on Sean Penn  after the Oscar-winning actor defended Venezuela President Hugo Chavez in a recent appearance on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher.”

    “Every day this elected leader is called a dictator here, and we just accept it and accept it,” said Penn, who has visited Chavez several times and frequently defends him. “And this is mainstream media, who should — truly there should be a bar by which they — one goes to prison for these kinds of lies.”

    To which Guillen replied: “Oh my God, Sean Penn defended our President Hugo Chavez,” the Venezuela native tweeted. “That’s easy when you (don’t) live in Venezuela and have money. LOL … shame on (you).”

    Guillen hit Penn again on Saturday, telling the Chicago Sun-Times: ”That (bleep)! (Bleep) the (bleep) (bleep)! Don’t go to Venezuela for two days, surrounded with bodyguards, look around, and say, ‘It’s good!’ It’s not good!”

    By Peter Barzilai

  • ~~JustMe~~

    UGH Sparrow your ship is sailing need to run before you miss it.
    Hurry and take that hatred with you.
     
    Hell if you got the chance it would be full steam ahead to WW3

  • sowsear

    Mother-in-law was in WWII.  Talk about crazy clothes….Army green bloomers, slips, and bras… :-D    

    My uncle married a WAC when he was in the army, about 1950. She was shipped out to Japan before he was, and he said it was very funny for him to see her off with her big back pack and rifle. Not the way it was supposed to be.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Bravo Onofre! Thats good work and bravo! No I mean it! Now its to bad that your good deeds are not reflected by your writings. But at least there is hope for you. Remember next time your breathing life back into someone. It could be one of the very persons you detest so much. or  maybe it will be returned to you by someone you detest. Fuckward yourself!

    One last thing my volunteer friend. Enjoy dinner tomight, enjoy the channel surfacing, matter of fact enjoy the roof over your head. It could be worse… You could be doing all that volunteer work in Haiti…

    11:35hrs: Commune of Acul-du-Nord: the convoy arrived at the town of Belle-Hôtesse (commune of Acul-du-Nord) located approximately 8 km before (east of) the town of Limbé.  A large crowd of people had already gathered (perhaps in anticipation) and proceeded swarm amongst the vehicles. “

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Sparrow enough is enough!!!
     
     And your shit stinks up NQ to high heavens!
     
    You’re a disgusting piece of crap move on.

  • sowsear

    Wasn’t there something similar with Meryl Streep, maybe won an Academy Award?

  • sowsear

    short version – ALL of JOLLYWOOD needs to move to MEXICO where Jesse Ventura suggested last night he’d move there if Sarah were to …..

    I wish them bon voyage, hasta la vista, sayonara, auf wiedersehen…

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    First of all Mex-Tex… I did not pick a fight with you. Matter of fact I actually enjoy your postings dickweed.  I have no reason to post what deeds I do. For what I do is someone elses Glory not mine. I am just disgusted with all the rantings of some here who think they are the supreme beings. I am retired from Corporate America and now most of the work I do is for and with the poor. In this Country, especially in Appalachia and some other Countries. You know the poor ones “some” of you jackasses think are money suckers. Welfare hoods. Robbers of your wealth!  You know the ones who can get healthcare anytime they want for free! The ones you feel are eating off your tables!

    So Duckweed Mex-Tex Soup or should that be Duck-Soup? Unless you too have seen real starvation ( and if you have I take it all back). You too can go fly a kite!

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  • sowsear

    He does that on purpose. Some times he plays the straightman.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    First of al dickweed Mex-Tex… I did not pick a fight with you. But since you picked one wiht me. Let me obolige you.  I have no reason to post what deeds I do. For what I do is for anothers Glory not mine. I am just disgusted with all the rantings of some here who think they are the supreme beings. The know-it-all’s. The ones who think they can do it better but are clueless to reality. But for what its worth and if I really care. I am retired from Corporate America and was once a lobbyist on Capitol Hill. Now most of the work I do is for and with the poor, in this Country (Appalachia) and in others. You know the poor ones, of which, “some” of you jackasses think are money suckers. Welfare hoods. Robbers of your wealth!  Illegal, You know the ones who can get healthcare anytime they want for free! The ones who eat off your table or from your wallets or taxes (sic)!

    So Duckweed Mex-Tex Soup or should that be Dickweed Duck-Soup? Yes in an indirect way I know Tom Hanks. The NGO I volunteer for now has seen his real side. So you too can go fly a kite!

  • sowsear

    Yes, No Irish Need Apply.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    First of al dickweed Mex-Tex… I did not pick a fight with you. But since you picked one with me. Let me oblige you.  I have no reason to post what deeds I do. For what I do is for anothers Glory not mine. I am just disgusted with all the rantings of some here who think they are the supreme beings. The know-it-all’s. The ones who think they can do it better but are clueless to reality. But for what its worth and if I really care. I am retired from Corporate America and was once a lobbyist on Capitol Hill. Now most of the work I do is for and with the poor, in this Country (Appalachia) and in others. You know the poor ones, of which, “some” of you jackasses think are money suckers. Welfare hoods. Robbers of your wealth!  Illegal, You know the ones who can get healthcare anytime they want for free! The ones who eat off your table or from your wallets or taxes (sic)!  
     
    So Duckweed Mex-Tex Soup or should that be Dickweed Duck-Soup? Yes in an indirect way I know Tom Hanks. The NGO I volunteer for now has seen his real side. So you too can go fly a kite!

  • sowsear

    The best inheritance you can get is good genes.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Ladydawnelle. Yes I am not fair at all…. I am a mirror a reflection of many of you here. So you don’t like it? Really?  That’s to bad! Then why do you do it to others? You want the reflection to stop. Well all you have to do is act human….Maybe I will!

  • Ladydawnelle

    Yea baby!!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Katmoon wrote : “Seek some anger mangement help, you are quite ugly inside.”

    You know what Katmoon, I’ll bet he’s shockingly ugly on the outside also.

  • Ladydawnelle

    OOoo  RAH!

  • stodghie

    nogainer, thanks for proving my point! no thanks is needed from you. idiots like you need all the help you can get. hehehe

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Confused American. Now with that posting your handle is an understatement! Not even worth a reply.

  • Onofre’s arm

    :-[

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    “Matt Damon’s movie tanked this weekend.  That’s what happens when you make fun of Sarah Palin. ”

    The movie tanked because he made fun of Sarah Palin? I thought the move sucked because it raped history and sucked. Sarah Palin? LOL!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    I am not sure that the emperor was not hiding behind Tojo or Mac Aurthur didn’t want the emperor to take the fall and made sure Tojo took the fall.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I don’t pity him Katmoon, I pity anyone who has the misfortune of coming into range of his vile odor.

    I’m not going to respond to him too much, he’s not fit to lick the bugs off my windshield.

  • stodghie

    captain of a sinking ship is all i see jack. police or military? no way in hell! gave yourself a faux title i see.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Like I said Tired… I am just a poor mirror…. Jackass!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Another brilliant Churchillian riposte from our new our new sage. How shall I ever recover from the gaping wound you’ve given me?

    If you were worth my effort to smack you down, you would suffer a far worse fate than Bambi here:

     

  • Onofre’s arm

    Another brilliant Churchillian riposte from our new sage. How shall I ever recover from the gaping wound you’ve given me? 
     
    If you were worth my effort to smack you down, you would suffer a far worse fate than Bambi here: 

     

     

  • sowsear

    Go up top, folks. and read Oowawa’s post about his nephew. 

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    LOL……… you wish you were an asshole but thats impossible, you are a f*ckhead but no asshole, too complicated for you.

    And its MISS Tex-Mex and I’m way more American than you are in your left little nut so lets not throw the illegal bullshit my way….. shouldn’t you be crying racism some where f*cktard……. hilarious!!

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    LOL……… the “know it alls” do you have a mirror in front of you?

     you wish you were an asshole but thats impossible, you are a f*ckhead but no asshole, too complicated for you. 
     
    And its MISS Tex-Mex and I’m way way more American than you are in your left little nut so lets not throw the illegal bullshit my way….. shouldn’t you be crying racism some where….. f*cktard……. hilarious!!

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    oh forgot to add, I will say this capt swallow, thanks for the laugh…….

    you are rather amusing and pathetic

  • EllenD

    Good idea.

    My sister and I were stunned after being the beneficiaries of my uncles’ estate. to find, besides the medals that he hid, a giant German swastika flag.

    We finally found a Canadian Legion branch that gave it a good (undisplayed) home.

  • EllenD

    They not only trained Patton’s guys out here in the Californis desert, they used their proximity to Hollywood to make rigs that transformed jeeps into something that looked like a tank from the air. That trick worked in North Africa.
    Too bad Tom Hanks is giving us a bad name.

  • EllenD

    Actually, Italians in Canada who sent money to  Mussolini were interned. And German names were changed to British. Kitchener Ontario used to be Berlin.

  • Babs

    Yes, totally disgusting that Hanks has made millions portraying heroes yet denigrates the motives of those men with rhetoric like this. The “racist” meme these guys keep trying to promote shows only their ignorance in refusing to accept that now when true racism rears its ugly head, no one is listening.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    UGH Onofre’s arm I remember seeing Bambi as a child and broke my heart when at the end Bambi was on the island surrounded in fire.
     
    Now to make matters worse Godzilla smashes him to the ground. !!! LOL
    Just when I beginning to like you, you open up an old wound!!
    ;)

  • Docelder

    I think part of that was the Japanese people believing Hirohito of being a god in human form. Tojo was just a commander to the people of Japan. To rebuild Japan we were smart enough to recognize we were going to need the people of Japan to do that with. All in all we did very well I think. Probably as good as could have been expected given the circumstance. Certainly had they won that war, they would have been nowhere near as conciliatory.

  • ~~JustMe~~

     Hey Missy (joking)  Tex-Mex that is no Captain there.
     
    Anyone spewing so much hatred would never be allowed allowed wear stars on its shoulders!

  • sowsear

    Yes, as a matter of fact. My boyfriend had the car and he got his 2 pair: one for his mother, and one for his aunt.

  • sowsear

    Does our Dear Leader know that?

  • ~~JustMe~~

     Hey Missy (joking)  Tex-Mex that is no Captain there. 
      
    Anyone spewing so much hatred would never be allowed EVER allowed wear stars on its shoulders! 

  • Breeze

    Hanks, Penn et al make Jane Fonda seem like a patriot!

  • sowsear

    My grandfather had a jewelry store during WWI and among the stock that he had left over when the store was closed were some swastica pins. I guess they were supposed to be Indian emblems not German logos.

  • Cindy

    sowsear—I can’t find oowawa’s post about his nephew. Is it on THIS thread? thanks.

  • sowsear

    My father-in-law was born in Germany of Italian parents (1902), and during the Wars  he would “amuse” his friends when they would taunt him about Italy or Mussolini by saying, Oh, but I’m German.

  • sowsear

    Really, Can you really communicate with someone like him?

  • sowsear

    How can you be sure that someone is who he says he is–like on here?

  • sowsear

    Yes, another Day of Infamy,

  • sowsear

    We still have snow in the yard…

  • buzzlatte

    Damn, it shows how far we’ve sunk when the manchildinchief prefers ghetto music.  How many more months til 2012?

  • buzzlatte

    The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming! is one of my favorite movies. It has a wonderful message but the one scene with everyone pointing their guns is truly classical America.  My dad had three daughters and he taught each of us how to shoot a gun – just in case. It wasn’t for robbers or something else but in case the country was attacked.  My mother would roll her eyes but we knew he meant it.

    I always think of that when I see that scene in the movie.

  • Docelder

    Judge history by what actually was happening to everyone. – Yes history has to be judged in it’s own context to be fair. We can’t judge things that happened in the past using today’s norms. You have to keep them contextual. This goes for slavery. Put it in the context of it’s day. But also put the end of slavery in it’s proper time context. Pretty much ahead of the time for the mid 1800′s in this part of the world. The same goes for all the wars we have been engaged in. Put them into context of their time. I think we did very well given the circumstances. The same for internment camps. Keep it in context. But that is the point. Critics always want to take these events out of their proper time and place context. Such revierw out of context is not fair.

  • Onofre’s arm

    We here in Puget Sound are next JustMe. The animals are behaving strangely. Today I saw a fresh road kill beaver, and no body I’ve spoken to about it can recall there being beavers on our island. I’ve also seen several raccoons and about a half dozen deer just sort of “hanging out” near roads. And my cats are acting weird.

    The last good shaker we got was about 9 years ago(a 6.4), and I noticed the animals acting strangely for days before it struck. Also, the day before it happened, I suffered virtigo all day and even mentioned to the lady whose house I was remodeling that it seemed as though the ground was moving. The ring of fire is on the move.

  • oowawa

    Oh my–didn’t picture you as a Puget Sound Islander, Onofre’s arm.  I’ve spent quite a bit of time in those parts.  I hope your prophecy does not come to pass . . .

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think “On Demand” has something to do with it. I stopped renting a while back when I realized I could “On Demand” a movie for 4 bucks, and record it on my DVR. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Ellen I was talking with my Mother today she said the leg painting went on for years after too, Stockings were rationed.
     
    She said Yes! I had beautiful legs until it rained lol !!

  • sowsear

    In thise days we wore poodle skirts and saddle shoes with bobby sox.

  • sowsear

    In those days we wore poodle skirts and saddle shoes with bobby sox. Don’t you remember?

  • sowsear

    Oh my goodness, you will be busy with the ambulance  if it hits. I’m wishing you Safe Conduct!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Oh wow seems the land is trying to speak to us all….. I have heard Puget Sound is a beautiful area and hopefully will get up there at some point to see the beauty! Plus I love the climate you get all 4 seasons up there right?

  • Patience

    I’ve enjoyed some really informative, heart warming/breaking, and funny posts on this thread.  It’s so sad that Hollywood actors use their celebrity to amplify ignorance — sad especially for young people who may rely on movie stars’ comments to shape their own opinions of past and current events.  I can’t believe Tom Hanks made such stupid remarks considering, as a producer of the miniseries, he should’ve become more educated about the PTO. 

    I watched the show tonight.  Even though it’s based on actual soldiers’ memoirs, it just didn’t measure up to Band of Brothers (which I love and watch over and over again).  The stirring theme music of B of B primes my pump every time (which may be part of the problem with this miniseries).  Sadly, the composer Michael Kamen and historian Stephen Ambrose have passed away and their talent is sorely missing this time around.  I don’t know if I’ll continue to tune in for the remaining episodes.  There’s always Bridge on the River Kwai… 

  • carol haka

    Chavez is not a dictator.

    Rev. Wright is not a racist.

    Bill Ayers is not a terrorist.

    Sean Penn is a rocket scientist.

    Tom Hanks is not an idiot.

    Obama is not a socialist.

    I am not conscious.

    >:o

  • sowsear

    Yes, some of my ancestors were Huguenots who fled from France to several countries, trying to escape religious tyranny as it followed them. Some others were Catholics living in Ireland., came here during the Potato  Famine. Some of my more recent family were German immigrants living here during WWII. I know I’m not alone, but if they’re going to hand out reparations, I want mine.,

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yes JustMe, we get the seasons, but proximity to the ocean tends to reduce the extremes, winters are mild, and summers are cool. If it gets over 90 degrees here, people melt.

    And sows, I don’t usually drive the aid car, I usually show up in my truck, in my street clothes, with my personal aid kit and my turnout gear. The paid guys do most of the drudgery, heh heh. On this island, there simply won’t be much damage or injuries, the tallest building is only 4 stories, and almost every structure is wood framed, and wood framing does very well in temblors. But we will be cut off and without power and supplies, the only way to the island is by boat or air. But thanks for your concern! 

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well oowawa, you’re in California, and you’re overdue yourself. Earthquakes tend to cluster around full or new moons because the greater tidal forces help to trigger them. Get a calender that shows the phases of the moon, and avoid earthquake vulnerable situations during those periods.

    Nah, just kidding, we still as yet can’t predict shakers with any certainty, but we are developing MUCH better ways to measure forces that are building within the crust, and the more data we can collect and correlate with actual occurrences, the better chance we have of developing computer models that CAN predict quakes. You know, like the computer models that predict that the Earth will be a molten ball of fire in twenty years. We have a long way to go, Mommy Earth doesn’t like to give up her secrets without a fight.

  • sowsear

    In those days we wore poodle skirts and saddle shoes with bobby sox.  Don’t you remember?

  • PortiaElizabeth

    האתר הרשמי של תנועת הליכוד – ראש הממשלה בנימין נתניהוhttp://www.netanyahu.org.il“אנו מצדיעים היום לגבורתם של שניים-עשר מלוחמי מחתרות ישראל, שניים-עשר אנשים שגם כשקרבה שעתם להיקרא אל חבל התלייה, לא נמצא בהם ייאוש, אלא רק אמונה גדולה בשליחותם לשחרר את המולדת.”

  • sowsear

    So be it!

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Racism became the universal slander for everything American around 2008. It was ushered in around the same time a certain someone who supposedly trancended race was supposed to lift the us and world out of it’s ugly racist morass.

    The oddest thing is that liberals are now making racism more prevelant than pre 2008. Their historical perspective is the US is racist therefore everything it has accomplished pre 2008 was racially motivated.

    I never knew we were all in such a racist place to start with. I married a Philippina. We have friends from all races, and so do they.

    I dislike cheats, thugs and jackoffs, and like kind people.  What is racist about that?

    I know, I am racist because I am conservative and I voted for Republicans.

    Liberals view the world in Black and White, both literally and figuratively.

  • oowawa

    Well, I’m sitting here on the Rodgers Creek Fault.  Last substantial shaker we had here was 1969 (though we were on the outskirts of the Loma Prieta quake on the San Andreas).  I know you’re a geologist, so I take your warnings seriously.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Wow PE, I started reading this and it made no sense. And then it occurred to me “I’m reading it backwards”, silly me! Now after reading it correctly, I’ll have to admit that I’m ambivalent about the sentiments, I’d need to know more to commit to a firm position.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    No sowsear I wasn’t even a twinkle in my Dad’s eye at that time!! O:-)

  • buzzlatte

    But, Jack, ye protest too much.  There were round-ups and internment camps for Germans and Italians.

    Ye need to educate yourself.

    WII internment camps

  • ~~JustMe~~

    anyway theres one good thing oowawa we could end up as neighbours if the San Andreas Fault keeps rockin and a rollin!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I love “colonel bogey march” in this clip.

    Here Patience you can watch it as you shop or chat!

  • TeakWoodKite

    oowawa, Kirins on Ylupa? zip28

  • ~~JustMe~~

    anyway there’s one good thing oowawa we could end up as neighbors if the San Adreas fault keeps rockin and a rollin!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    and Sparrow can round them all up on his ship of fools!

  • AbigailAdams

    Well, now that you bring it up, Einstein, why don’t YOU “hit us with that heavy intellect of yours”.   We’ll wait.

  • EllenD

    Over a 1/3  of the Japanese interned would not even sign loyalty oaths, some asking for passage back to Japan so they could help their country (Japan) with the War.

    I was unaware of this.
    But the Acadians were expelled from Nova Scotia and went to Louisiana because, after the war with France, they wouldn’t pledge allegiance to the Brirish Crown.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I can guarantee you he’s not on a scholar-ship

  • ~~JustMe~~

    What an awesome memory Cindy!

  • helenk

    and I no longer  get headaches after my lobotomy!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Senneth

    Thanks Larry for your rant.  My parents and most of my family spent WWII in Japanese concentratin camps.  They marched right in to the Netherlands Indes – now indonesia – and put all those of European descent in concentration camps.  My father was tortured -  real water boarded, my mother lost her son, her hsband, her brother and watched her cousin murdered for refusing to be raped by a Japanese officer.  Afer this was came the Indonesian revolution and my relatives rounded up again and put into more concentration camps and treated as political prisoners,beatened, water boarded in the Java Sea in a pig crate, and then when the fun died down the crate with he screaming man dropped in to sea for good.   Perhaps Mr. Hands would like to meet those of us who were raised by parents who endured were tortured and were never the same again.  I’d love to tell him of a more historical perspective.  Ignorance can be cured by simply reading history.  You don’t need a college degree to be able to read the history of your country and therefore have a better idea wht to say…He certainly neds some educatoin and I would love him to meet my parents who can certainly set Mr. Hanks straight…

  • Cindy

    For those interested in more info re: National Museum of the Pacific War

    from their website:
    The Museum’s collection of artifacts from the Pacific War totals well over 15,000 and contains everything from beer passes on Mog Mog Island to aircraft and tanks. Thousands of new donations come in every year. Many of these items are on display in the permanent and temporary exhibits of the Museum, and many more are rotated between preservation storage and exhibit on a regular basis.

    The Museum is always interested in donations of artifacts and archival material. If you are interested in donating materials or in making use of the research facilities, please contact the Museum at 830-997-4379 ext. 223.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    OA — are you serious? You can read that? I can’t read a word except the part where it says http://www.netanyahu.org.  But I like reading the comments. A Jewish friend referred me and I admit to being curious and wanting to let Israelis know people here support them and are concerned with what Iran is doing to destabilize the region.

  • Patience

    Thanks for that exerpt Just Me!  I love the entire film but particularly the William Holden line when he says to Alec Guinness, “As for me, I’m just a slave – a living slave”.  Priceless!

  • Noogan

    You’d be wrong, PortiaElizabeth. I’ve been at this site for a while now, actually I have been reading No Quarter since BEFORE Larry was even booted from DailyKos and created this blog, so I was actually here BEFORE YOU!  :-D

  • Ferd Berfle

    Irrelevant. The Japanese attacked us and we responded with everything we had. As I stated, if they didn’t want to experience hell, they should have stayed at home. You misdirection serves no purpose, bot.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Irrelevant, Captain Spooge. The Japanese attacked us and we responded with everything we had. As I stated, if they didn’t want to experience hell, they should have stayed at home. You misdirection serves no purpose, bot.

  • Noogan

    Avi Shlaim, Israeli Historian, Author of The Iron Wall:
    “Israel’s illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories since 1967 is the basic problem. This is one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times. I condemn it above all for what it has done to the Palestinians. But sadly, it has also eroded the democratic foundations of Israeli society.”
    “Israel1s image today is negative not because it is a Jewish state but because it habitually transgresses the norms of acceptable international behaviour. Indeed, Israel is increasingly perceived as a rogue state, as an international pariah, and as a threat to world peace.”
    http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/Zionism%20AS.pdf
     
    “The only way to make sense of Israel‘s senseless war in Gaza is through understanding the historical context. Establishing the state of Israel in May 1948 involved a monumental injustice to the Palestinians. British officials bitterly resented American partisanship on behalf of the infant state. On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by “an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders”. I used to think that this judgment was too harsh but Israel’s vicious assault on the people of Gaza, and the Bush administration’s complicity in this assault, have reopened the question.
    I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine

  • ~~JustMe~~

    ((((Senneth)))) I have no words. My goodness!

  • Ferd Berfle

    One man’s opinion does not equal fact, Noodnick. Israel has a right to both exist and be secure within its borders; that security will only come about when the Jihadists and Islamists either stop on their own or are stopped by an external force. It is their choice (not Israel’s) and they should make it wisely.

  • Noogan

    Admitting to being a neocon doesn’t make you more credible or intelligent, Sowsear. And, neocon is what you are if you support Israeli policies.  More “jew haters” according to Hokma. You apparently endorse Hokma’s racist and neocon ideology. Shame on you, for being Hokma’s ignorant tool; you clearly don’t know the first thing about Israel’s history or its politics, or you would know that many Jews reject them. They are putting Israel at risk. Those of us who want a fair and just resolution to the decades long violence dissent from Israeli policies; in return we are called “jew haters” by a racist like Hokma. You’re pathetic to let him enlist you in his little “Liar’s Cabal” of racists. Here are two more Jews, who Hokma calls “jew haters,” to Hokma’s eternal shame. 
    Israel’s growing public relations nightmare:
    http://mondoweiss.net/
    “Proponents of the status quo can no longer succeed in intimidating the proponents of negotiations into silence. They try. But their game is lost. They have been proven disastrously wrong too many times: the 1973 Yom Kippur War, two Lebanon wars, and Gaza. And no one will silence the critics.”
    M.J.Rosenberg
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/26/foreign_policy_hawks_wrong_since_1938/
    Read Israeli historian, Zeev Maoz, who fought in three of Israel’s wars, author of Defending the Holy Land: A Critical Analysis of Israel’s Security & Foreign Policy, University of Michigan, 2006: 

  • Noogan

    I watched Pacific last night. It was great. So sorry all you pathetic rubes missed it, in your stupid little protest. Wow, how sad for you that you can’t watch all these musicians, artists, directors, actors. Pretty soon, you’ll all be limited to Sesame Street since you’re protesting everyone else on the planet. 

    ;) :-D

  • arabella trefoil

    Dear Mr. Noogan.

    It is unfortunate that you seem to be unable to comment here without being insulting. I saw no “protest” here. People expressed their opinions. In general the conversation was intelligent and informative.

    You seem to enjoy provoking people into responding by being abusive. In the future I will not respond to you.

    To quote Jane Austen “You have amused us long enough.”

    I bid you good day, sir.

  • Ferd Berfle

    “Liberals view the world in Black and White, both literally and figuratively. ”

    Actually it is the “progressives” who think in black and white and vote that way, as it were, and are extremists. There were many good liberals in the past who were also patriots. I include myself as I was one once. My move to the center was caused more by a hijacking of liberal causes by extremists, aka progressives, than a substantive shift in my personal values. The same thing happened to the GOP from the opposite end of the spectrum, e.g., fundies and neocons. Extremism in any form lacks both substance and virtue and I want no part of it.

  • Noogan

    One Man?!  If you think it is “one man,” you are completely clueless about Israel, about its history, about it’s historians, and about it’s writers, journalists, activists and a large percentage of Jews. 

    You actually think it’s about “jihadists?” 

    Oh, for God’s sake, Ferd Berfle. You are either a racist like Hokma, or you are just a stupid fool. This is about 4 decades of military occupation; it’s about apartheid, discrimination, collective punishment, and ethnic cleansing, and mass slaughter of thousands of INNOCENT PALESTINIANS. It’s about Israel creating “facts on the ground” through settlements, while they run an apartheid regime just like that in South Africa. These are not conjecture; they are fact.

    It’s not about “jihadists,” and anyone who knows the numbers of people who’ve died during the first and second intifadas, knows that 4 times as many Palestinians have died at the hands of the Israelis, thousands of them women and children. You are nothing but a racist if you think Martin Kramer’s recent call for GENOCIDE of Palestinians is not indicative of the sort of mindset that Israeli policies have created. 

    There is no difference between the wall imprisoning Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the Wall the Israelis are building to imprison Arabs in the West Bank. No difference. None. And, that is what you are advocating with your arguments. You should be filled with SHAME; but you are clearely too racist and stupid to even KNOW what you are supporting. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    Noodlebrain:

    I am neither fool nor racist, twerp. You, on the other hand, are a loud-mouthed gasbag who cuts and pastes partisan crap as though it were fact. Moreover, your diatribes are both insulting, irrelevant, and irrational. Finally, your invincible ignorance is your cross to bear and not ours to suffer, so why don’t you just go away?

  • Noogan

    You are both. I have seen your ilk for years, and I am sick to death of you; you spew the most vile racist vitriol at anyone who dares to tell the truth about Israel–”Jew hater.” That includes serving IDF soldiers who tell the truth about what commanders ordered them to do during Operation Cast Lead; it includes many hundreds of Jewish journaiists, activists, human rights organizations, like Yesh Din, B’Tselem and others. You are shameless in your racist hatreds and lies, and that is why you have to smear anyone who tells the truth about Israeli policies, never contributing one morsel of truth, only “jihadists” and “Islamists.” 

    You are free to be ignorant, along with Hokma. I have chosen to inform myself with decades of reading about Israeli history, and my own personal knowledge of jewish ethnicity and heritage. And, I, unlike you, have a sense of moral outrage at the lies, the smears, and the racist neocons like Hokma and you, for what you do to destroy Israel–you perpetrate the worst of hatreds against Jews through your lies and ignorance. 

    Avi Shlaim is not just a highly respected and renowned jewish historian; he’s a zionist. But he is something else, too; he is a man of principle, and moral integrity. And, he’s not just “one man.” He is representative of many, including me, who see what decades of lies and smears are doing to the state of Israel–killing it from within. 

    So, shame on you. And shame on Hokma for his perpetuation of anti-semitic spew like “jew hater.” 

    I won’t go away. You can bet on that. 

    http://ilanpappe.com/?p=81

  • Ferd Berfle

    Oh, please, Noodick. I have spewed nothing, your hyperbole notwithstanding. I never called you anti-semitic or anything other than a noodlebrain or noodnick. I called you on your crap and you don’t like it.

    I will say this: You are a vulgar and crude little bot who needs a time out for inappropriate behavior. And we all know you won’t go away because you are an anal-retentive, small-minded dittohead who won’t take no for an answer. You have an ill-considered opinion than you figure we’re entitled to. Well, that just isn’t so.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Excellent, Carol. LMAO

  • Noogan

    An ‘obot’?! Oh, now that is funny, so thanks for that laugh, Ferd Berfle. 

    I’ve certainly never said one thing to indicate I’m an “obot” and, I’m neither an “obot” and most certainly not a “jew hater.” And, I will never allow any lying, racist like Hokma to get away with using such despicable insults because it is an insult to all Jews, and most especially, an insult to those who dissent from Israeli policy as I do.

    Those who truck in this sort of ideological racism try to pretend to be the defenders of Israel; they are nothing of the kind. What they are, however, are the perpetrators of a particularly vile brand of anti-semitic slur, “jew hater”; they even use it against Jews. It is nothing but ugly racism, and fascism at that, since they use such slurs and smears to silence anyone who dissents from Israeli policies which do more to undermine Israel than the truth, I guarantee you. But there is a backlash coming, because Jews around the world are growing disgusted by these Israeli policies; which are doing nothing but creating more “jihadists.”  

    These are your ideological brothers in arms, Ferd Berfle, because you support their aims, and you spout their arguments, and you defend their ideology: The Israeli right, financed by right wing American billionaires, both Jews and Christian evangelicals, and their American counterparts, the NeoCons

  • Noogan

    Here you are, Stoogie. Take a look in the mirror:

    A marriage made in hell:The recent Christians United for Israel conference in Israel was a unique opportunity to see up close the growing Christian Zionist movement (and their desperate Jewish mates) defend every Israeli action. They’re a threat and should not be ignored. They’re loving Israel to death.Max Blumenthal provides some other details about CUFI’s John Hagee:Hagee’s ceremony featured a 15-minute film highlighting the recipients of donations from John Hagee Ministries that totaled $58 million since 2001. The recipients included Jewish settlements from the West Bank like Gush Etzion and Shomron, which was involved in promoting an 
     
    http://antonyloewenstein.com/2010/03/13/the-marriage-made-in-hell-christion-zionists-and-jews-get-down-and-dirty/
    http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/03/pastor-hagee-and-netanyahus-lovefest-on-eve-of-bidens-arrival-in-israel/
    And, here is a video of your comrades in arms, singing praises to a mass killer. Aren’t you proud? Some Jews are not proud of this, and they protested it. According to Hokma, the protesters are “jew haters.”  And, you would agree, apparently: 
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3857671,00.html

  • Noogan

    Israel’s growing public relations nightmare:
    http://mondoweiss.net/
    Jewish Voice for Peace [Hokma calls them "jew haters"]  has launched a new blog
    http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
    http://theonlydemocracy.org/
    Israeli wing-nuts have launced a new campaign to silence those “jew haters” like Jewish Voice for Peace in the US
    http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2010/02/19/think-tank-tells-israeli-government-to-declare-war-on-peace-groups/
    But we will not be silent, and we will not stand by and let racists and right-wing ideologues call us “jew haters” for telling the truth: 
    “Proponents of the status quo can no longer succeed in intimidating the proponents of negotiations into silence. They try. But their game is lost. They have been proven disastrously wrong too many times: the 1973 Yom Kippur War, two Lebanon wars, and Gaza. And no one will silence the critics.”
    M.J.Rosenberg
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/26/foreign_policy_hawks_wrong_since_1938/

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Noogan

    Your wasting your energy! “Some”,  NOT ALL, of these people think intelligence comes from a ceral box… Like Dingabella Tinfoil here and the NO Moron Choir. Though they are and will always remain amusing…

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Ferd your the only thing here that is irrelevant… What? Discussions and debates have to be on your second grade level? Jackass. Go fuck oyurself…

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Agreed much of this was indeed how the Japanese people viewed Hirohito. But I submit Tojo was not just a commander to the people but a very shrewd politician, military dictator and prime minister at the time . He knew how to play the emperors fiddle very well. My bet is that if Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was the prime minister rather than Tojo,  we might have never gone to war.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Ferd your the only thing here that is irrelevant… What? Discussions and debates have to be on your second grade level? Jackass. Go fuck yourself…

  • Breeze

    THIS IS SURE TO PLEASE “SOME PEOPLE”:

    Flap flies in Haiti over U.S. flag absence

    By Alan Gomez and Oren Dorell – USA Today
    Posted : Monday Mar 15, 2010 9:22:17 EDT

    The many nations helping Haiti recover from the devastating earthquake that struck there have set up their own military compounds and fly their flags at the entrances.

    France’s tricolor, Britain’s Union Jack and even Croatia’s coat of arms flap in the breeze.

    But the country whose contributions dwarf the rest of the world’s — the United States — has no flag at its main installation near the Port-au-Prince airport.
    The lack of the Stars and Stripes does not sit well with some veterans and servicemembers who say the U.S. government should be proud to fly the flag in Haiti, given the amount of money and manpower the U.S. is donating to help the country recover from the Jan. 12 quake.

    The Obama administration says flying the flag could give Haiti the wrong idea.
    “We are not here as an occupation force, but as an international partner committed to supporting the government of Haiti on the road to recovery,” the U.S. government’s Haiti Joint Information Center said in response to a query about the flag.

    The absence of the American flag bothers former Navy man Arthur Herriford, national president of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association.

    “It’s very improper,” Herriford said. “Our military people always engage and function under the American colors — always have and always will.”

    CONTINUED BELOW:

  • Breeze

    The U.S. flag has flown in Haiti under circumstances that were not always friendly.

    In 1915, Marines invaded Haiti to restore stability after several coups. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan pressured dictator Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier to renounce his rule and leave. In 1994, President Bill Clinton sent troops to prop up President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. In 2004, President George W. Bush’s administration eased Aristide out of office amid a brutal civil war.

    France, the former colonizer of the country, has its flag up at its base in Port-au-Prince. The Haiti flag is based on the French flag, turned on its side with the white stripped out.

    Army Col. Billy Buckner, spokesman for Joint Task Force-Haiti, a group representing various Obama administration agency heads, said the decision not to fly the American flag was made out of respect as guests of the government of Haiti.

    “It is no mystery that U.S. forces are on the ground, and we proudly wear an American flag on our right sleeve,” he said.

    U.S. Air Force air operations specialists and FAA air-traffic controllers manage air traffic at Haiti’s main airport, where millions of dollars in aid from the United States has been arriving for weeks. More than 12,000 U.S. military personnel support relief operations.

    “Our commanders are smart and intuitively understand their mission here in Haiti, and clearly the sensitivities that come with supporting the mission,” Buckner said.A U.S. flag went up at a temporary consular station set up in the first few days on the airport tarmac, according to Charles Luoma-Overstreet, a State Department spokesman in Haiti.

    “Apparently, the prime minister (Jean-Max Bellerive) saw this” and thought it appeared as if the United States were taking over the airport, Luoma-Overstreet said.

    He said Bellerive said something to U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten, who agreed that flying the flag wasn’t a good idea and told the consular officials to take it down.

    The decision is not unprecedented, noted Joe Davis, spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, who says he is not bothered by the flag’s absence.

  • Breeze

    CONTINUED:

    The decision is not unprecedented, noted Joe Davis, spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, who says he is not bothered by the flag’s absence.

    During the Gulf War in 1991, U.S. forces took control of the main airport in Kuwait and briefly flew the American flag over their installation, Davis said, but higher-ups ordered it taken down to avoid an impression that U.S. forces were conquerors.

    The missing American colors at Port-au-Prince airport were no problem to Don Hollenbaugh, a former Army Delta Force operator who received the Distinguished Service Cross for actions in Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004.

    “Everybody in the world knows the U.S. is there,” Hollenbaugh said. “So by not flying the flag, we’re not changing anyone’s mind about anything.”

  • Ferd Berfle

    Ferd your the only thing here that is irrelevant… What? Discussions and debates have to be on your second grade level? Jackass. Go fuck yourself…
    =======================
    Is that all you have? You didn’t answer the gist of my comment because you couldn’t and you couldn’t since your debating style, like that of your other personalities Noogan and Primma Botta, is more unfounded assertion, appeals to false authority, and irrelevant gobbledegook than reasoned discourse. As for the last part of your comment, that would be something you are not only better at but indulge yourself in each time you comment.

  • HC123

    The article is about Tom Hanks, his complete failure to understand history, and his need to inject cultural relativism into all things.

    STFU about Israel. If you want to write an article on how Israel sucks, do it, submit it, get it published, and then comment on it.

    Until then zip it, you thread jacking rodent.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You don’t read well or, more to the point, selectively acknowledge other’s comments. Let me reiterate what I posted before, “I think both sides are at fault”. That being said, it is up to the Islamists and Jihadists to stop their terrorist activities before any peace is possible. Israel has a right to exist and defend itself and they have the means and will to so do.

    You are just a sycophant who, lacking substantive debating skills, resorts to ad hominem abusives against those of us who disagree with you (again, I never called you anti-Semitic or anything of the kind) but then protest when the ad hominems are returned in kind. You call me a racist and the like. Fine. I will only now return the favor and call you a terrorist sympathizer. How does that work for you?

  • Ferd Berfle

    Oh, and do try responding to the comment rather than setting sail for Port Petulant as you are always wont to do.

  • Katmoon

     Captain Jack Sparrow<img src=”http://cdn.js-kit.com/images/icon10-external-url.png”/> said..
    Ferd your the only thing here that is irrelevant… What? Discussions and debates have to be on your second grade level? Jackass. Go fuck yourself…

    Right and that is why you of course “lift” different phrases and vocabulary from Ferd, Arabella, Hokma and others use as we all know you are such an original Captain Tammy?

     I’m going to take just a wild guess here based on the attacks the word usage and your blatant cowardly conduct and say, you are one and the same as others who have come here using the same words and MO…no doubt for inspiration for your “writing” (rofl =-X )..then plagerize after you sneak in here usually late at night to blog bomb. Wow, how do you hold that head up without a spine?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Please believe me when I tell you that I’m very aware and sensitive to the hardships and sacrifices of the “Greatest Generation”, and I would never make light of their travails, and the struggles that befall us all at one time or another.

    That said, all of the stories being told here of the wonderfully adaptable and forgiving Americans in our lives, has reminded me of this terrific Monty Python skit. A little levity rarely hurts!

  • Noogan

    Ferd, you are not only a liar, and a racist, but you are also a hypocrite.

    First of all, I do not support violence, period. Yet you clearly do support violence, because you support the violence of Israel against thousands of innocent palestinians, including women and children. 

    You call someone a “terrorist sympathizer” when in fact YOU are the “terrorist sympathizer.” Israel’s leaders are former terrorists who were members of organizations listed as TERRORIST ORGANiZATIONS. You know, The Stern Gang, The Irgun, Haganah, etc. They committed the King David Hotel bombing, which killed 91 people. 

    http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/MenachemBegin.htm

    http://www.etzel.org.il/english/index.html

    Moreover, you support a state which attacked the US and killed and injured more than a hundred US servicemen and sailors aboard the USS Liberty. A deliberate attack on US forces. 

    But you have the gall to call ME a “terrorist sympathizer” when never once have I ever supported any act of violence? 

    You’re a liar; you’re a racist; you’re a hypocrite; and you’re a terrorist sympathizer, and you’re a pathetic fool. 

    The “Israel” you support doesn’t exist, and it never has. And, you don’t have a clue what you support, thereby making you an ignorant rube. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    I stand by my comments. You, noodlebrain, are nothing more than an invincibly ignorant troll who wears their ignorance like cheap jewelry.

  • Katmoon

    lah, blah, blah, racist. 
    Blah,moral outrage, blah, blah, 
    Blah,shame on you.  Blah. 
     
    Blah.  Whatever.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I can’t leave this post without a shout out to my dad, and I know there were many like him.

    At 17 my dad enlisted in the Navy in 1942 and was stationed in the Pacific on the Light Cruiser USS Santa Fe.  

    The Santa Fe was in every major pacific battle after Midway. It was called the Lucky Lady because after all the battles only one Marine and one Naval Officer stationed to the ship lost their lives.

    My dad on the Santa Fe participated in the battles in the Aleutians, Tarawa, Pelilieu, Saipan, Marianas, Leyte Gulf, Philippine Liberation, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, and Tokyo as diversion for the impending battle at Okinawa.

    One of the few moments of battle my father discussed was his helpless feeling watching the Marine landings at Tarawa and Peliliu get cut to ribbons.

    He was a chief gunners mate and aimed the 6 inch guns, shelling island emplacements for days before the marines went ashore. Most enemy batteries had been taken out, but underground reinforced bunkers remained an obstacle for the Marines.

    I became a Marine, partly out of my fathers empathy. He used up all that empathy because he had much difficulty expressing it in life outside of battle after the war.

    His proudest reflection was the rescue of 850 sailors from the badly damaged, burning, and exploding USS Ben Franklin, an aircraft carrier.

    His motivation for enlisting and fighting the war was not from racism. It was from partiotism. Our country was attacked, and like many others, my dad wanted to help his country.

    As other’s have pointed out, it was not an easy time on the homefront, and there was just as much sacrifice.  Rationing and doing without essentials, and male family members, many of whom would not return was the norm.

    If racism were the primary motive, there would be no rebuilding effort in Japan. Japan would have become a US colony instead of the proud, independent economic powerhouse it became following the war.

    My father’s Father, was also in the Pacific, as a Navy Seabee. As an Irish immigrant, the only racist animosty he harbored was towards the English. He still called them limeys till his dying breath in 1984.

    They had their faults, but racism towards the enemy was not one of them.

  • helenk

    How many times did  your grandfather say ” the CBs built the bridges the Marines walked across”?
    How proud you must be of both of them.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • wild bob

    “I don’t believe in enabling boors and morons.”

    That’s one of the reasons, most times, I ignore your bowel movement of a blog.

  • Guest

    Yeah, me either. All that matters are the number of comments. But are We Telling Our Guests we Don’t Care by failing to come up with fresh new content for the blog every day or even every week ?? :-[

  • morris1030

    Hanks has a very naive unattended take on history. I was 15 when Pearl Harbor happened. I remember the war in Europe,Russia, and the Japanese theatre well.

    Hanks is doing a liberal cha cha about  who was doing what to whom and why.  The Japanese were mortal enemies who would crush us in a minute if they  had a bomb.  Or not.

    There is no doubt that Einstein warned FDR to start developing a bomb as Germany had the knowledge to make one first, as  Einstein knew this from his work in Germany before Hitler. While a pacificist he knew that the Germans would not hesitate to obliterate us. Hence the Manhattan Project and the development of the Bomb.

    The Imperialism practiced by the Japanese as outlined by Larry Johnson here is correct historically, and the progression of Japanese domination was rolling along in the Pacific inspite of the wind down of the war in Europe.

    Hanks has obviously no knowledge of these moments in history but is giving us his feelgood ideas about what he believed happened.

    Tom should take History 101 as it pertained to  Japan’s aggressive
    political and militaristic positions with China and other Asian nations.

    I clearly remember as a young teenager that I gave up wearing silk hosiery during Japan’s war with China. We boycotted anything silk from Japan as an act of opposition against Japan’s  aggressions militarism.

    Tom needs to hit the books.

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