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The Audacity of Hypocrisy

Here is a classic example of why both Republicans and Democrats are simply two sides of the same corroded, corrupted coin. Mark Tapscott’s article in the Washington Examiner exposes the ugly truth:

But put aside the present for the moment and step into my time machine. Dial the date selector back to 2005 when the Republican majority in Congress approved a national debt limit increase using a self-executing rule similar to the Slaughter Solution.

Guess who went to federal court to challenge the constitutionality of the move? The Ralph Nader-backed Public Citizen legal activists. Here’s the argument they made:

“Article I of the United States Constitution requires that before proposed legislation may “become[] a Law,” U.S. CONST. art. I, § 7, cl. 2, “(1) a bill containing its exact text [must be] approved by a majority of the Members of the House of Representatives; (2) the Senate [must] approve[] precisely the same text; and (3) that text [must be] signed into law by the President,” Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417, 448, 118 S.Ct. 2091, 141 L.Ed.2d 393 (1998).

“Public Citizen, a not-for-profit consumer advocacy organization, filed suit in District Court claiming that the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, Pub.L. No. 109-171, 120 Stat. 4 (2006) (“DRA” or “Act”), is invalid because the bill that was presented to the President did not first pass both chambers of Congress in the exact same form. In particular, Public Citizen contends that the statute’s enactment did not comport with the bicameral passage requirement of Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution, because the version of the legislation that was presented to the House contained a clerk’s error with respect to one term, so the House and Senate voted on slightly different versions of the bill and the President signed the version passed by the Senate.

“Public Citizen asserts that it is irrelevant that the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate both signed a version of the proposed legislation identical to the version signed by the President. Nor does it matter, Public Citizen argues, that the congressional leaders’ signatures attest that indistinguishable legislative text passed both houses.” (Emphasis added)

And now for the kicker, guess who joined Public Citizen in that suit with amicus briefs:
Nancy Pelosi
Henry Waxman
Louise Slaughter

If the Pelosi/Slaughter/Waxman argument against using a self-executing rule against a debt limit increase measure sounds familiar, it should because it’s the same argument now being used by Republicans to oppose the Slaughter Solution for moving Obamacare through the House.

Republicans used reconciliation when it suited their purposes and Democrat screamed. Republicans used a “self-executing” rule when it suited their purposes and Democrats screamed. Now the roles are reversed. I think the only critical difference here is that the Republicans probably had a majority of the public opinion behind them when they pulled these tricks. But that’s an excuse. Neither party is in a position to argue that they are standing on principle. They have no principles. It is all about power and control, nothing more.

Damn them all!! We have seen these on other fronts. Remember when Republicans believed in protecting the men and women in the intelligence community from being a political football? Well, that lasted until Ambassador Joe Wilson correctly and prudently blew the whistle on the Bush Administration’s manipulation of intelligence relative to their trumped up case for invading Iraq. Then that principle went out the window and Valerie Plame became “fair game.”

How about torture and human rights? Same kind of hypocrisy. You have some Republicans defending practices and policies that clearly violate international law, international conventions and even the Constitution. Yet these mental gymnasts find ways to excuse the inexcusable.

Judicial activisim anyone? Republicans are against it (and Democrats embrace it) until you get an issue like campaign finance reform and then, magically, the parties reverse roles and it becomes opposite day. Now we have Republicans defending the political activism of Virginia Thomas, wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, who is promoting the tea party movement. That’s okay? Alright, just be ready to eat it when the spouse of a liberal judge gets involved with a group advocating something like, say, abortion rights. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

I am angry about it all. I do believe firmly and steadfastly in the rights of the individual over the state. I do firmly believe that government’s power must be limited and circumscribed or else we are in danger of having our individual rights snuffed out in favor of serving the collective.

The travesty unfolding this week on Capitol Hill is the fault of both sides and ultimate responsiblity is with the American people who have tolerated and enabled this conduct. Shame on them and shame on us.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Pelosi-Slaughter-went-to-court-against-GOPs-self-executing-rule-in-2005—87773712.html#ixzz0iLuKjeLk

  • HARP

    Congress can kiss my ass. I would rather die standing and fighting than live kneeling down.

  • bayareavoter

    Thank you, Larry, for this post. I feel as angry as you sound but I feel helpless to affect any change!

    What can we do? I send emails and call my reps all the time but that seems pointless.

    Votes don’t seem to matter–they fixed the vote in 2000 with Bush v Gore and the Dems fixed the count during the primary.

  • HARP

    Article 1 Section 7
    All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives;
    but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

  • bayareavoter

    And “voting the bums out” just brings in new bums :’(

  • Hokma

    Nothing to add. I think it effectively voices to outrage and why.

  • Hokma

    Nothing to add, You effectively voice everyone’s outrage.

  • Breeze

    FROM GRETAWIRE:  
     
     
    An ON THE RECORD at 10pm viewer sent me this email (below) that she received from her Congressman (who is retiring.)  I post it only because it gives you a bit of the “behind the scenes” of the Republican Party.    
       
    If any of you have emails from your Democratic Congressman, please send so I can likewise post.  [And here is an interesting factoid...years ago this Congressman's son worked with me.]  
    —-  
       
    From: Congressman John Linder <Linder_Alert@mail.house.gov>  
    Subject: Health Care Update  
    To  
    Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 2:18 PM  
     
    It is official: the President and the Speaker have decided to ram a health care bill through the Congress this week. The first step for this newly introduced 2,300 page bill is for it to be rushed through the Budget Committee this afternoon. As you saw if you clicked on the link to the bill, the legislation is moving so fast that it hasn’t even been assigned a bill number yet.  
     
    While you can read this new bill here, it won’t be worth your time. Why?  
     
    Because these 2,300 pages aren’t even the 2,300 pages that the President and Speaker Pelosi want us to vote on. That’s right: the pages that they want us to vote on haven’t even been completed yet. The bill that the Budget Committee is working on is simply a placeholder because the Speaker is still working out new language.  
     
    The plan, we’re told, is that Budget Committee will finish its work today to move the process along and then tomorrow–likely deep into the night–the Rules Committee will take up the bill.  
     
    The Rules Committee will completely erase the 2,300 pages approved by the Budget Committee and insert thousands of entirely new pages into the bill.  
     
    Don’t worry, though: the Speaker has promised us at least 1 hour to read those several thousand new pages before the Rules Committee votes.  
     
    No, I’m not laughing either.  
       
    Obviously, this is not the way that any bill should be considered in Congress, but this is definitely not the way to handle something as important as health care reform and something so enormous that it accounts for almost 20% of our entire economy.  
     
    If you need to learn more, I will be holding a telephone town hall meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, March 16, at 7PM. By calling 1-800-857-6263 a few minutes before 7PM and giving the operator the passcode “Town Hall,” you can join in this discussion. I would certainly value your participation.

  • Docelder

    Both sides would rather subvert the system than to have to work together to actually govern. It would help if we had some leadership from the top down. We haven’t and we don’t. The system is broken and I don’t see it being fixed so long as those who broke it are still in their positions. Term limits now and campaign finanve reform now. This is our best chance to save ourselves.

  • oowawa

    We’re venturing farther and farther into the Twilight Zone:

    “House May Try to Pass Senate Health Care Bill–Without Voting On it!”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031503742_pf.html

  • I’m a Linda too

    The hypocrisy is amazing and so damning.   But, I consider the Democrats worse, because they spent these years pointing their finger and then campaigning on such a platform that they have not even come close to, but have flipped on almost every single campaign promise.  And they seem to always be going at least one step further!  And as we’ve heard time and time again, these maneuvers have usually only have been done on budgetary matters, but now comes Democrats, flipping on their own rage, using it for a law and rights and mandates on every citizen that will forever change our country. @#$% THEM!

  • HARP
  • HARP

    Barack Obama threatens to withdraw support from wavering Democrats Barack Obama has said he will not campaign for any Democratic congressmen who fails to support health care reform.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7450237/Barack-Obama-threatens-to-withdraw-support-from-wavering-Democrats.html

  • HARP

    The House’s healthcare vote could be delayed until as late as Easter, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Tuesday.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/86969-clyburn-says-health-vote-could-delay-until-easter-holiday

  • Diana L. C.

    Well that alone should get them re-elected.  He is a total jerk, IMHO.

  • sowsear

    Just how to get those laws passed when both sides block them is the question.

  • Docelder

    Probably a graphics person making some point. I remember something like that happening to Disney wih the Little Mermaid videos. The first batch of them had underwater castle spires that looked like a phallus. Disney recalled them. The graphics guy had thought he wasn’t treated fairly or something similar as I recall. But, it was some time back.

  • sowsear

    I am sick…

  • sowsear

    Lucky for them…

  • sowsear

    The Obama Cabal may pull this off, but I’ll bet it’s not set in stone yet. They would like us to believe we’d be wasting our time to continue calling etc.. However, the fact that BO is still out there threatening people gives us a glimmer of hope.

    The White House: (202) 456-1414
    The Capitol Switchboard:  (202) 224-3121
    Contact Your Elected Officials: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/ Elected.shtml
    Fax Free Website:  http://faxzero.com
    Write Your Representative:  https://writerep.house.gov/ writerep/welcome.shtml
    TweetCongress.org: http://tweetcongress.org/

    If you cannot get through to any of these, find e-mail addresses on their websites or call their home/local offices. 

  • carol haka

    Turds in each of their Easter Baskets!

    :-D

  • oowawa

    Here are some of the connotations.

    Beware ingratiating females proffering apples:

  • oowawa

    Michelle is offering us the poisonous apple of socialism; that’s the way the image is supposed to work.

  • sowsear

    We need to start with voting as many of the Dems out as we can and vote in electable Republicans. We need balance in Congress and the president from the minority party.
    I am outraged by the despicable behavior of those in power now. I also despised Republicans when they were subverting our freedoms, but they were not nearly as arrogant , in-your-face-go-to-hell-with-you, as these creatures of the night.

  • sowsear

    You’re not blaming this on women are you , Oowawa. Nancy is supposedly a woman but she’s far from ingratiating. Slaughte ris just the name of the place, SlaughterHouse..

  • sowsear

    You’re not blaming this on women are you , Oowawa. Nancy is supposedly a woman but she’s far from ingratiating. Slaughter is just the name of the place, SlaughterHouse..

  • oowawa

    Why Easter?

    How appropriate!  The New York Times is now engaged in Obamamessiah pandering:  The Bill, and He, has risen!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/weekinreview/15baker.html

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Here’s the thing though…the public has known what asshats the GOP are since 2006, 4 years ago.

    What’s more shocking is that it’s taking the Dems 4 years to get to roughly the same point it took the GOP 12 years to get to. That makes the Dems 3x more idiotic in my book.

  • sowsear

    The House’s healthcare vote could be delayed until as late as Easter, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.)

    Don’t necessarily believe him. They may just want the populace to back off from voicing their disregard for this bill, the process, and for them. We must keep voicing our discontent. They’re good at subterfuge. All sorts of things end up in bills passed in the dead of night.

  • Larry Johnson

    Is this the Snow White apple?

  • sowsear

    We need to start with voting as many of the Dems out as we can and voting in the most electable Republicans. We need balance in Congress and the president from the minority party. 
    I am outraged by the despicable behavior of those in power now. I also despised Republicans when they were subverting our freedoms, but they were not nearly as arrogant , in-your-face-go-to-hell-with-you, as these creatures of the night.

  • sowsear

    We need to start with voting as many of the Dems out as we can and voting in the most electable Republicans. We need balance in Congress and the president from the minority party.  
    I am outraged by the despicable behavior of those in power now. I also despised Republicans when they were subverting our freedoms, but they were not nearly as arrogant , in-your-face-go-to-hell-with-you as these creatures of the night

  • sowsear

    It always seems to come back to Eve, doesn’t it? Funny thing about evil…

  • AnnieCarmel

    Oh yeah, my Representative, Sam Farr, answeres my emails…with a completely unrelated form letter.  I tell him how opposed I am to HC, Illegal Immigration/amnesty, etc., and I get mail back telling me how much he’s working toward passing this legislation.  Our Senators?  Hahahaha…Boxer, Feinstein and Pelousy.  Any wonder why CA is in such bad shape?

  • sowsear

    Eve=evil. Who knew?

  • AnnieCarmel

    Oh yeah, my Representative, Sam Farr, answers my emails…with a completely unrelated form letter.  I tell him how opposed I am to HC, Illegal Immigration/amnesty, etc., and I get mail back telling me how hard he’s working toward passing this legislation.  Our Senators?  Hahahaha…Boxer, Feinstein and Pelousy.  Any wonder why CA is in such bad shape?

  • oowawa

    I’m sure not blaming anything on anybody, sowsear (sorry this came up).  This is the symbolic universe in which the Michelle-apple picture is resonating.  We inherited this bunch of images from our culture–doesn’t mean they’re good for us.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I do believe it’s the poison apple, ready to be stuck in the craw of the American people.  I wonder though whether this actually was done at News-weak or whether my other favorite MOTUS was for a little fun?

  • AnnieCarmel

    I do believe it’s the poison apple, ready to be stuck in the craw of the American people.  I wonder though whether this actually was done at News-weak or whether my other favorite blog, MOTUS, was for a little fun?

  • oowawa

    The witch in black is offering the apple to Snow White; Eve, as the agent of darkness, offers the apple to innocent Adam.  Michelle, the first black FLOTUS, with a big smile, offers the apple of socialism to the innocent children of America.

    There.  That should get me in trouble with just about everybody . . .

  • AnnieCarmel

    They dodged a bullet!

  • EllenD

    Companies have to take out E&O insurance (Errors and Omissons) to make sure their employees don’t hide this kind of stuff in their client’s jobs. It is expensive. We have one.
    Sometimes employees have to sign agreements that they will be responsible personally for any legal expenses generated by their “playfulness”. That usually puts a stop to it. Otherwise their employers have to pay for the mischief, and it can be costly.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I don’t know. Doesn’t look like Karl Marx to me. Looks more like Rasputin…

  • EllenD

    BTW – I couldn’t get the link to work. What was the court’s 2005 ruling?

  • sowsear

    Sorry, Oowawa. I rewrote my response as you will see above and deleted my original to this after I realized it had to do with the first picture and not you

  • Breeze

    No, Annie-

    It was neither Motus nor Hillbuzz.

    News’Weak’ have cropped their picture to exclude the apple.

    Must have originated from them…..

  • sowsear

    I should have known that your innate lesbian would have prevented your equating women with evil.

  • Breeze

    Exactly my first reaction, Boogaloo!

    I figured that The First Fatty is The Lightbringer’s main CONSIGLIERE, therefore who is First Fatty’s RASPUTIN (consigliere)?

  • sowsear

    Sorry, Oowawa. I rewrote my response as you will see above and deleted my original to this after I realized it had to do with the first picture and not your opinion.

  • sowsear

    Oowawa, you’re too smart for your own good…isn’t that the saying?

  • oowawa

    Yes, it is a Marx-Rasputin kind of image; to me, it suggests both.  Rasputin was a Svengali.  This suggestion actually augments the power of the visual suggestion.  I would say, whoever photoshopped the apple knew what they were doing . . .

  • oowawa

    Yes, it is a Marx-Rasputin kind of image; to me, it suggests both.  Rasputin was a Svengali.  This additional association actually augments the power of the visual suggestion.  I would say, whoever photoshopped the apple knew what they were doing . . .

  • Breeze

    SUCH LUCK!!!

    There is going to be an overwhelming number of them voting N O!!!

    Remember Virginia, Pennsylvania and Mass? 

    Sure the Lightbringer helped by campaigning in those places, eh?

  • Larry Johnson

    Good math.  Your argument makes sense.

  • Larry Johnson

    could it be Jesus?

  • sowsear

    Maybe the whole object of this blatant disregard for our votes and rights is to force us to give them a reason to declare martial law…Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? (and Nancy Pelosi)

  • sowsear

    How stable is his seat?  You and like minded people should be able to bring him home.

  • oowawa

    Hmmm . . . Probably not Jesus.  Images of Jesus, like images of Obama, generally appear in grain foods, like waffles and pancakes.  Seldom in fruits.

  • oowawa

    Yep sowsear, being a smartass sure hasn’t done me any good . . .

  • sowsear

    I called my congressman again today at his Washington number and had no trouble speaking to a young man. I gave him my zip code and he asked if that was in the Conressman’s district. You’d think they would know the zip codes by heart…oh, I forgot, no heart talk allowed in Washington.

  • HARP

    In a physician survey conducted December 2009 by The Medicus Firm, a national physician search firm, 24.7% of physicians stated that they would “retire early” if a public option is implemented, and an additional 21.0% of respondents stated that they would quit practicing medicine, even though they are nowhere near retirement.   This brings the amount of physicians who would leave medicine to a total of 45.7%.

    http://www.themedicusfirm.com/pages/medicus-media-survey-reveals-impact-health-reform

  • sowsear

    And the OBamagizer bunny just keeps on going and going–

  • Breeze

    IS OBAMA MAKING A THREAT OR A PROMISE?

    By Ed Carson Investors.comTue., March 16, ’10    1:38 PM ET T

    President Obama is threatening not to help any Democratic lawmaker who opposes his health care overhaul, according to the U.K.’s Telegraph.
    The president will refuse to make fund-raising visits during November elections to any district whose representative has not backed the bill.

    A one-night presidential appearance can bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in funds which would otherwise take months to accumulate through cold-calling by campaign volunteers.
    Is this really a threat? Vulnerable Democrats already are running away from Obama.

    As Politico recently noted, moderates are telling Obama, “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.” Senate candidate Robin Carnahan of Missouri stayed in Washington last week while Obama traveled to the Show-Me State.

    House Democrats resisting Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi generally represent moderate or GOP-leaning districts where ObamaCare and the president are unpopular.

    Fundraising cash is nice, but as Phil Gramm found to his chagrin in his short-lived 1996 presidential campaign, “ready money” is not enough.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Valarie Jarret?

  • HARP

    Obama is just like the dung beetle, rolling shit uphill.

  • sowsear

    How come no one talks about that dunderhead who liked apples?

  • Breeze

    “NOBODY WANTS TO VOTE FOR THE SENATE BILL”

    online.WSJ.com
    March 16, 2010
    By JOHN FUND

    The Democratic spin explaining why polls show the public opposed to their health care bill is that voters actually like the individual pieces of the bill but have been turned off by the messy process.

    Yesterday, Joel Benenson, a pollster for the Democratic National Committee, reported the results of his own survey done for the Service Employees International Union. It claims the difficulty liberals are having in selling health-care reform “centers squarely on perceptions of a breakdown in the legislative process, exemplified by deal-cutting and special deals for the constituents of key swing Senators.”

    But it appears that Democrats are ignoring their own findings. Last week, President Obama backed away from his earlier demand that lawmakers’ special deals be stripped out of the bill. Then there’s Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who yesterday endorsed a parliamentary maneuver under which the House would “deem” the Senate’s health care bill approved without the House voting on it.
    Ms. Pelosi actually told reporters: “Nobody wants to vote for the Senate bill.” Her scheme to allow House members to escape political responsibility even drew the ire of the Washington Post editorial page, which has strongly backed health care reform: “What is intended as a final sprint threatens to turn into something unseemly and, more important, contrary to Democrats’ promises of transparency and time for deliberation.”

    In ramming through an unpopular 2,700-page health care bill using brute force tactics, Democrats are in danger of passing what amounts to the longest suicide note in history. Their own pollsters are telling them the public has rebelled against their tactics. So their response is to press their foot down even harder on the gas pedal. We’ll see how that works out for them.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Assuming this is correct, this is Obama’s narcissistic ego coming to the fore again. It comes perfectly on his previous comments about the difference between 2010 and 1994 is “me”. What an asshat.

  • oowawa

    Hmmmm–like the Myth of Sissypuss . . .

  • oowawa

    She’s going to let them all vote “present”!  Then they can all go home and tell their pissed-off constituents that they were “agnostic” about the bill . . .

  • sowsear

    Incumbent Democrat Barbara Boxer is now in a virtual dead heat with former Congressman Tom Campbell in California’s U.S. Senate race. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds Boxer leading Campbell 43% to 41%. Six percent (6%) prefer some other candidate, and 10% are undecided.

  • Docelder

    But “change” is also decimating peoples personal wealth and limiting options. People might not have much choice by the time this is done. Opening up another business might not be so much of a viable option in a few years time.

  • Breeze

    Obama: You will see ‘premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent’ under Obamacare

    David Gibberman
    March 16, 2010
    American Thinker.com
    When House Speaker Pelosi said that ObamaCare<img style=”position: relative; margin: 0px; width: 10px; display: inline !important; float: none; height: 10px; top: 1px; left: 1px; border: 0px; padding: 0px;” src=”http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif”/> will allow Americans to realize their dream of being an artist, photographer, or writer without having to work a day job to have health insurance, some of us wondered whether ObamaCare also will cover other expenses, such as for housing and food, that force people to work a job they may not like while they pursue their dreams. Now we know the answer: yes it will.

    Monday in Strongsville, Ohio, President Obama said that ObamaCare will reduce health insurance<img style=”position: relative; margin: 0px; width: 10px; display: inline !important; float: none; height: 10px; top: 1px; left: 1px; border: 0px; padding: 0px;” src=”http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif”/> premiums by “3,000 percent.” Considering that a 50 percent decrease in premiums would mean that we’d be paying half as much as we now pay for health insurance and that a 100 percent decrease in premiums would mean that we’d be paying nothing for health insurance, President Obama is telling us that insurance companies will actually start paying us money to keep our health insurance.

    If your current  health insurance policy costs $5,000 a year, insurance companies<img style=”position: relative; margin: 0px; width: 10px; display: inline !important; float: none; height: 10px; top: 1px; left: 1px; border: 0px; padding: 0px;” src=”http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif”/> will pay you $145,000 a year (2,900 percent multiplied by $5,000). If you’re fortunate enough to be paying $25,000 a year for health insurance, insurance companies will pay you $725,000 a year. There’s no word whether you can purchase a more expensive health insurance policy to increase the amount of money that insurers pay you each year.

    Just think, America: These are the people telling us that they know best how to run 1/6 of our economy.

  • TeakWodKite

    ROLF

  • oowawa

    And who made poison apples in the first place?

  • Breeze

    “3000%” from Obama,

    added to Al Gore’s “the center of the Earth is millions of degrees”,

    equals a “degree from Harvard is worthless”.

  • Breeze

    Can you imagine if Sarah Palin had said this?

  • Katmoon

    Good reminder Larry. Back in the dayswhen I was a registered dem, I liked to believe that no way no how, would they pull the same crap as the republicans, ramming a bill through. For some foolish reason I set the standard higher for the dems…like I said way back when I was a dem and ducks turned into swans.

    Now it is no longer an option to sit quietly on our hands, or be in agreement 100% with either side. As we say here in Tennessee, they have all shown their asses; and in a way we the voters have as well. As we move forward, if we move in manner that supports extremes, that is the type of government we will get everytime.   It is time to do some serious soul searching and make decisions on exactly where we stand in support of this country, many of us love. We can no longer justify laws that are made for special interests, even if we benefit from such a law. We can no longer tolerate, any citizen being treated as less than because of whatever excuse is popular in the moment, and we can never ever tolerate bias against, any group, what-so-ever, ever again. We must continue to speak out, further we must act in our communities, be involved in the meetings and continue to search for answers that have a glimmer of truth. We must be constant in our efforts to stay intelligently informed, and not suffer fools, now allow ourselves to be lazy in gathering facts. We do have the ability to work toward the benefit away from both of these stinking messes of political parties, but it is work. You don’t have to follow anyone, you simply can lead on your own, by your own actions. Speak out and do it often, in as many venues as you can, and do so with conviction, honesty and courage. ;)  

  • sowsear

    Actually I didn’t say “smartass”. That would be derogatory…

  • Breeze
  • sowsear

    I also sent e-mails on their websites to both Schumer and Gillibrand. At first Schumer’s wouldn’t go through and I had to resend it later. Must be he, at least, is getting some traffic.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Uh so now we can get rid of an apple a day keeps the Dr away!

    Nothing like living in Fairyland.

  • sowsear

    They say anything, just words, and no one calls them on it.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Farr sails by because he’s very pro-active on environmental issues.  And you know the whole coast is scared to death a Republican will try to put oil wells off shore at Monterey Bay or their biggest scare tactics, Big Sur, as it happened in Santa Barbara.  It serves the Dims well.  However, Sammy poked his head into the local Mayor’s race and that’s not flying well. 

    As a bit of backgroung, Sue McCloud has won 5 terms as Mayor of Carmel; she’s former CIA, born in Carmel (Mother, Gladys had a popular downtown women’s store for decades) and runs a fiscally conservative town (ie millions of $$ in rainy day fund).  She has won many law suit challenges against the Resident’s Association (read Democrat) and pretty much has total back-up by long term City Council members.  If Carmel stays with the same conservative leaders, Farr may be vulnerable as much as Boxer.  I really wish the Repubs would put up a viable challenger cause it’s time for Sammy to go.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Campbell is not a conservative.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Ah well, I can dream!  LOL!

  • Tricia

    Good rant, Larry.  I am with you 100% regarding how you feel about both parties.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Devils Advocate?  LOL!

  • sowsear

    How is he going to know what they leave in or take out if they maneuver around the Senate Bill?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Uh so now we can get rid of that old

    An apple a day keeps the Dr away! 

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    If Pelosi and Slaughter get their way and use the self-executing rule, every Dem is going to claim they were a NO vote on Obamacare. Pelosi is counting on that.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “If the Pelosi/Slaughter/Waxman argument against using a self-executing rule against a debt limit increase measure sounds familiar, it should because it’s the same argument now being used by Republicans to oppose the Slaughter Solution for moving Obamacare through the House.”

    That is exactly what happens when lawyers are in charge of the government. They are trained to argue and defend both sides of issues.

    And, as Larry pointed out, they do it all the time.

    Watch the dancing on the talk show circuit about how this time it’s different, or that the application of the rule in this case is different.

    That is what Lawyers do. Defend the indefensible.

  • Breeze

    If I didn’t have 6 and 8-year-old great-grandaughters, I really would be

    thanking my lucky stars to be a witness to this suicide-in-the-making for

    the Democrats.   And enjoying it very much!

    But I am too worried about my little girls’ future.

    Hope to live long enough to see karma catch up to each and every one

    of these “EVIL DOERS”!!!

  • TeakWodKite

    Then there’s Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who yesterday endorsed a parliamentary maneuver under which the House would “deem” the Senate’s health care bill approved without the House voting on it.

    I get your disgust Mr. Johnson. Listening to botrh sides of the dial, I can’t tell the difference.
    What really concerns me is the ability of this political morass to surpress any “growth” of alternatives.
    I am not sure how much more of this the Constitution can take. I heard a interview with a Dem rep out of Pennsylvainia and he was being asked point blank if the current list of atrosities would require him to take a principled stand.
    He would not answer yes or no.

  • getfitnow

    Yep. I’m in CA. A friend, who is a dem and she and her hubby voted for BO had dinner with two other couples a couple of weeks agao. She said all 4 of them are far more liberal than she and her husband. All 6 are voting for Campbell.

  • getfitnow

    I agree. Not only is this the biggest power grab; but it is amazing that on this huge social issue, 16% of the economy, and so personal to each of us, they completely blocked out the GOP input,iand most Americans do not want this bill to pass. Yet, apparently they will do any/everything to ram this through. The civil rights bill had 75% congressional support.

  • Docelder

    This is what happens when most of the lawmakers are lawyers. We get this bullshit and subversion of the underlying system. Why do we need lawmakers to be lawyers at all? They don’t read the damn bills anyway and lobbyists write them to begin with. I don’t see much of an upside.

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  • getfitnow

    You would think that POTUS would call for a news conference–take real questions and follow ups. Be brave and proud enough to sing the praises of this debacle. But he can’t because it is such a mess and he doesn’t understand any of it except the bullet points he’s been fed.

    Why has he bothered to make appearances when they have been closed-door event?   

  • TeakWodKite

    There was 4.4 shaker in LA today. I have restocked the water, supplies and other “hunting” supplies.

    Truely insane what goes on in DC. They go from “anyone but Bush” to “anyone but BO”.

    Arrogance is deadly.

  • TeakWodKite

    Breeze, that is what motivates me. The sin of silence will not be mine.

    One has to wonder what effect it will have respectfully calling the office of Lynn (useless) Woolsey, which I have done. What I got was
    Blah Blah Blah, frag you very much….

  • sowsear

    Don’t know about Sissypuss, but

    The Myth of Sisyphus is a philosophical essay by Albert Camus. It comprises about 120 pages and was published originally in 1942 in French as Le Mythe de Sisyphe; the English translation by Justin O’Brien followed in 1955.
    In the essay, Camus introduces his philosophy of the absurd: man’s futile search for meaning, unity and clarity in the face of an unintelligible world devoid of God and eternal truths or values. Does the realization of the absurd require suicide? Camus answers: “No. It requires revolt.” He then outlines several approaches to the absurd life. The final chapter compares the absurdity of man’s life with the situation of Sisyphus, a figure of Greek mythology who was condemned to repeat forever the same meaningless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again. The essay concludes, “The struggle itself…is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”
    The work can be seen in relation to other works by Camus: the novel The Stranger (1942), the play Caligula (1945), and especially the essay The Rebel (1951

  • Senneth

    I get the same thing from my newly-elected Senator, the others aren’t listening either.  All my congress critters voted for this monstrosity, and I’m sure my Rep will be voting for it again.  I’ll be voting against each and every one of them as they come up and will join in the effort to unseat them.

  • HARP

    suicide-in-the-making…? This 2300 page bill is the longest suicide note in history.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Who the party behind that mask?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Who’s the party behind that mask?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Well then just frag’em back!

  • Senneth

    Many speculations for forcing this bill through – at least on economic blogs I’ve been reading – is that the money is needed from this monstrosity to keep the country afloat as we are all but bankrupt.  That’s why they pay it forward meme.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Just like the shitting on our Constitution by both parties!

  • sowsear

    Remember Onofre’s Arm said this past weekend that his animals were acting as if there were an earthquake coming. He’s further north, but who know if this is a predictor.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Will the real fat jackass please stand up?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Larry, spoken like a born again Democratic-Republican. Jefferson and Madison would be proud.

  • oowawa

    Nah sowsear, Sisyphus was a macho stud; Sissypuss was an abject dung beetle who thought he was hot stuff.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    yes at a guess some shit rolls both ways!

  • whoframedrudy

    Has the Speaker suffered a head injury recently?  There can’t actually be people in Congress dumb enough to believe voting for ‘deem and pass’ somehow escapes accountability.  The Repub campaign ad writes itself:  ”___ was so ashamed to vote for Obamacare, s/he tried to hide from voters by using ‘deem and pass.’  Is this what Obama really meant when he pledged transparency in government:  transparent scams like ‘deem and pass’ to fool the American people?  In November, let _____ know s/he can’t hide from the good judgment of the American people.  Congressman _____, you’re not invisible, but we see right through you.”

  • oowawa

    Well getfitnow, I guess the time is not yet right to “sing the praises of this debacle.”  The Bill first has to follow its own natural history with the public.  As Thee One envisions this process:

    (right now) hate it! Hate It! HATE IT!
    (bill passes by hook and by crook) STILL HATE IT!
    (4 months down the road) Hate It!
    (6 months down the road) Don’t Like It!
    (8 months down the road) Don’t like everything about it . . . but
    (12 months down the road) Not so bad . . .
    (18 months later) You know, it’s not so bad . . .
    (24 months later) Kinda Like it . . .
    (30 months later) Like it!
    (36 months later) LOVE IT!
    Now it’s time for the tickertape parade, Thee One waving to his adoring fans, Nancy Pelosi throwing roses to tumultuous cheers . . . Amazing news broadcasts showing the crippled throwing away their crutches, getting down on their knees, touching their foreheads to the ground for . . . O-O-O BAMA!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    John Fund? Some source……

  • sowsear

    He’d be the last person to tell us what’s in the bill.

  • oowawa

    Well getfitnow, I guess the time is not yet right to “sing the praises of this debacle.”  The Bill first has to follow its own natural history with the public.  As Thee One envisions this process: 
     
    (right now) hate it! Hate It! HATE IT! 
    (bill passes by hook and by crook) STILL HATE IT! 
    (4 months down the road) Hate It! 
    (6 months down the road) Don’t Like It! 
    (8 months down the road) Don’t like everything about it . . . but 
    (12 months down the road) Not so bad . . . 
    (18 months later) You know, it’s not so bad . . . 
    (24 months later) Kinda Like it . . . 
    (30 months later) Like it! 
    (36 months later) LOVE IT! 
    Now it’s time for the tickertape parade, Thee One waving to his adoring fans, Nancy Pelosi throwing roses to tumultuous cheers . . . Amazing news broadcasts showing the crippled throwing away their crutches, getting down on their knees, touching their foreheads to the ground for . . . O-O-O Ohhhhhhh-BAMA!

  • oowawa

    Well getfitnow, I guess the time is not yet right to “sing the praises of this debacle.”  The Bill first has to follow its own natural history with the public.  As Thee One envisions this process:   
       
    (right now) hate it! Hate It! HATE IT!   
    (bill passes by hook and by crook) STILL HATE IT!   
    (4 months down the road) Hate It!   
    (6 months down the road) Don’t Like It!   
    (8 months down the road) Don’t like everything about it . . . but   
    (12 months down the road) Not so bad . . .   
    (18 months later) You know, it’s kind of OK . . . 
    (24 months later) Kinda Like it . . .   
    (30 months later) Like it!   
    (36 months later) LOVE IT!   
    Now it’s time for the tickertape parade, Thee One waving to his adoring fans, Nancy Pelosi throwing roses to tumultuous cheers . . . Amazing news broadcasts showing the crippled throwing away their crutches, getting down on their knees, touching their foreheads to the ground for . . . O-O-O Ohhhhhhh-BAMA!
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  • whoframedrudy

    “Her scheme to allow House members to escape political responsibility …”
    Has the Speaker suffered a head injury?  There can’t actually be people in Congress dumb enough to believe voting for ‘deem and pass’ somehow escapes accountability.  The campaign ad writes itself:  ”Congressman ___ was so ashamed to vote for Obamacare, he tried to hide from voters by using ‘deem and pass.’  Is this what Obama really meant when he pledged transparency in government:  transparent scams like ‘deem and pass’ to will never fool the American people?  In November, let _____ know he can’t hide from the good judgment of the American people.  Congressman _____, you’re not invisible, but we see right through you.”

  • oowawa

    The Japanese had a self-executing rule called seppuku.   Very noble.  Fatal, though.

  • sowsear

    Will the real Karl Marx stand up?

  • sowsear

    He doesn’t know his rectal orifice from an aperture in the earth’s surface (… offense intended….)

  • sowsear

    Where does it say, “large infusion of long hidden cash into the economy” ?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    He’s Misstra Know-it-all

    He’s Misstra Know-it-all

  • ~~JustMe~~

    He’s Misstra Know-it-all

  • Ferd Berfle

    “I am angry about it all. I do believe firmly and steadfastly in the rights of the individual over the state. I do firmly believe that government’s power must be limited and circumscribed or else we are in danger of having our individual rights snuffed out in favor of serving the collective.”
    =================================
    Bravo! Left or right, neocon or progressive–leave the Constitution alone. Stop the healthcare nonsense; rescind the Patriot Act; and stop bailing out failed businesses.

    the government that governs least governs best, because the people discipline themselves

    (Of course the latter part of the quote doesn’t apply to extremists, which is why we’re in so much trouble).

  • Armymom

    I’ve told people on here that would happen and I’ve told just about every one else I know that this is what the doctors are saying. I’ve said it for over a year now. We have a shortage now, a lot are at retirement age, but keep on practicing because they love what they do. Throw in this government takeover and they are gone. We lost 3 younger doctors at our clinic last year because they couldn’t afford their insurance and pay their student loans as well. One went into construction if you can believe that. We saw him about 3 months ago and he said he is actually making more from that than he did being a doctor, with less stress.  So add over 30 million to the rolls and see what happens.

  • Ferd Berfle

    And even if he did, he couldn’t find it with a compass, a flashlight, two hands, and a detailed map.

  • sowsear

    OT but talk about audacity:
    If you thought CA was bankrupt, well maybe not…

    http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/15/2608797/new-speaker-New California Speaker gives top aid 65,000 dollar raise. Yup, you read that right. 65 thousand dollars. In California. In 2010. Read about it here.grants-assembly-pay.html

  • Docelder

    That this rhetoric starts sounding familiar is frightening. Words like “the masses are at a loss of what to do with freedom” and “the political understanding of the masses is not sufficiently developed to arrive at political opinions by themselves… Sound like we don’t know what is good for us? Guess where this came from originally?

    http://books.google.com/books?id=lU0EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=the+great+masses+freedom+ruler#v=onepage&q=the%20great%20masses%20freedom%20ruler&f=false

  • getfitnow

    Well it certainly isn’t about health care.

  • sowsear
  • Ferd Berfle

    “he was being asked point blank if the current list of atrosities would require him to take a principled stand. 
    He would not answer yes or no.”

    The silence is deafening. These autocrats don’t have the courage of their convictions, being spineless, unprincipled, amoral louts who elbow each other for the best position at the public trough. They lack ethical standards and a moral compass. In a word, they are reprobates who should be in prison instead of political office. They enact laws that don’t apply to them and those they do apply, they avoid through a good-old-boy network of winks, nods, and nudges.

    They ALL need to be run out of DC on a rail, light or otherwise.

  • sowsear

    March 1939, omg. History repeating itself…

  • Docelder

    Unfortunately, there are limits to truth.

  • sowsear

    ObamaCare will reduce premiums by “3,000 percent

    He was misquoted. He actually said OC will increase premiums by 3000%.

  • sowsear

    Or maybe it was taken out of context…
    Or maybe you’re racist.

  • Disillusioned2008

    So sad.  Both political parties are guilty of Robbing America and the people.  Should health reofrm pass using the Slaughter rule, America and the people will be the ones Slaughtered.  The Slaughter rule will effectively end the AMerican Democracy.

  • sowsear

    Label it The SlaughterHouse

  • sowsear

    Just saw at Confluence that Howard Fineman is reporting Kucinich will vote Yes on HC.

  • Clara

    I don’t believe every Democrat in Congress is bad or deserves to be voted out any more than I believe the same for Republicans.  What’s wrong with judging each on his or her merits?  I feel there are a good number of principled Congressmen/Senators.  Seems that those real entrenched ones are those who feel and act entitled.   A wholesale turnout would not solve any problems.

  • Nellie

    Docelder,

    You are 100% right on for the long term. However, as Sowear pointed out how do we get Congress to vote for these??

    Caveat, I am not a lawyer, just a New Englander with some Common Sense and a degree that allowed me to teach at the college level.

    For the short term we may be able to work together with all parties. Many I know, including myself, pretty much feel the way Larry does about Ideology or the two parties as they are today. Some suggestions and I hope those with more knowledge pick up the ball and run with one or two, or add thier own.

    1. Congress takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. I know we have lawyers, as well as political operatives on this site. What about a class action suit – suing for treason and violation of the constitution?

    Included in this would also be the specific question as to whether “Executive Orders” can be used to rule by fiat. I bring this up because I know Obama extended GW Bush’s executive order to be able to call a state of emergency. The Constituion give CONGRESS the right to declare war. It only makes sense that CONGRESS would  be the ones to call for a “State of Emergency”. This citizens class action suit would name Obama, his minions, as well as congress people who have stepped over the line.

    2. Term Limits, and working within our individual states, we need to make push for term limits attached to recall laws. Some states have them, some do not. In essence it is just two different methods of firing those that are not focused on their own constituents. The 10th amendment specfically states that powers not specifically designated by the constitution are the pervue of the states.

    3. I have no idea what O’s “advisors” have promised these idiots for falling on their swords. However thru the tea parties (which seem to encompass people from every political spectrum other than the brain dead Obots) we could push for a separate legal Ethics committee for both the Senate and House. Again, Common Sense states it is ludricous to have the foxes watching the chicken coup. My ouline for said Ethics Authority would be prosecutors, even 2 prosecutors to head up the team for the House and another 2 for the Senate. These prosecutors would be selected by the American Bar Association and the American Legal Association. The two groups would be housed at the Supreme Court Building and anyone from Congress or the Executive branch would be charged with interference in prosecutorial cases for ANY contact with these entities other than to submit documentation, corrresponndence tapes etc via courier. The groups would be each assigned an expert FBI team on corruption (more if needed). The teams are answerable ONLY to the inspector generals office and NO elected offical. One of the many things that truly infuriate me is how freely Congress wastes and blow our tax dollars. I found the legal term for embezzlement and it appears to me that would encompss many members of both parties.

    I.E. Pelosi ran up liquor bills and food service costs, while ferrying her extended family and staff around the globe to the tune of over $110,000 in less than 2 years (since 2007), She also billed taxpayers for over $30,000 for flowers for her offices. The cost of the  plane to taxpyers is $126,000/HR while in the air. There are many such abuses by many of these swine that add up to billions of OUR money. I’d love to see these Cretins tired, convicted and sentenced in the same manner as Bernie Madoff. Needless to say, any chance of them taking millions more in retirement benefits would also be excluded once they are charged and convicted.

    These 3 things would at least send a clear signal on how fed up and angry citizens are. Hoepfully some of you will chime in, and we will come  up with three solid things to work on for the short term, while moving steadily toward the objectives outlined by Docelder above.

  • Clara

    If this is the poison apple, does that make Meshell the Wicked Witch?

  • Nellie

    Ellen,

    That would be a fantastic thing to make part of the Congressional and Executive oaths of office.

  • Clara

    What????  Periello is a great freshman Congressman who works hard, is well respected in his very conservative district even though he votes with Obama…until now.  I like Tom.  He’s one of the good ones that shouldn’t be tossed and I’m delighted to hear he is voting no.

  • Clara

    I don’t think the link about Periello is accurately expressing what I read that he said.  He feels the Senate bill upholds the Hyde Amendment and does not provide federal dollars for abortions.  He wants to see the bill before he votes, but the Senate bill alone wouldn’t hold him back.  http://www.bluevirginia.us/diary/26/tom-perriello-senate-health-care-bill-upholds-hyde-amendment

  • Breeze

    Virginia has voted to be able to Opt-0ut of any federal health care system. The governor is set to sign the bill right away.

    Also, 34 other states have drafted similar legislation but have not yet followed through.

    So much for support of Obamacare!

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/15/virginia-claims-tenth-amendment-right-to-reject-national-health-care/

  • Breeze

    Seen on a bumper sticker:

    “Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8″.

    Psalm 109:8 :

    “Let his days be few;
    and let another take his office.”
    (King James Version)

    At last – I can voice a  prayer for The Lightbringer!

    Look it up – it is word for word!  King James Version.

    Let us all bow our heads and pray.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    here sows

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