OPEN THREAD: Obama’s “Do or Die” [Update]

Campaign song for Democrats this year.

That’s the point I made yesterday. If this bill wins, it will only be by two or three votes, none of the Dems supporting this disaster want to be singled out as THE deciding vote, the way Olympia Snowe was rightfully singled out for her terrible vote to move the bill out of committee.

If it loses, by a lucky miracle or several guilty consciences, it will fail by dozens, because if the spineless Dems sense that it will fail, they’ll be like the proverbial rats deserting a sinking ship and vote “no” rather than have their names forever associated with one of the most malicious attacks on our liberties in most of our lifetimes.

Onofre—you are so right—-my question is: with all of that testoterone up there, where’s the scrotum??!!

Thank you for the good laugh on this day-I really needed it. This bill is so wrong on so many levels. As far as I can tell, only insurance companies and the spendthrift govt benefit. And then there is  the increased scope and power of the IRS. 

Cindy…I love it. There must be many more.

=-X   

Just saw on twitter that Stupak has flipped to yes (being reported by MSNBC). 

Yesterday I e-mailed both my rep Bruce Braley and my senator, Tom Harkin to remind them to vote “No”.  This morning the e-mail to Harkin came back.  The mail server gave up trying to make an STMP connection.

That tells me he’s being flooded with communications.  Dems may be saying they have the votes but what’s come out of their mouths recently is more lies than truth.  If they HAVE the votes, why haven’t they brought it to the floor?

Whatever happens, we’ll fight back. They vote yes, we vote them out. They vote no, we’ll tell them “Smart move. But we, your constituents are just getting started.” We’ll kick the rascals out.

Nobody is ever going to tell me that they know what’s best for me.

L’audace.  Toujours l’audace, mes amis.

>:o

Whatever happens, just remember that time is on our side. The people have been mobilized. And whatever the Dems say, thay are scared to death.

Just dig in for a fight. We will win it.

ONofre=poet laureate.

After 5/31/008 I vowed I would never again contribute to a political party and would only support individual candidates.  However, I suppose that after today I will feel that I have to support the Republican Party as with all the flip flopping going on I don’t know if we will ever know for sure who did or did not do what on this bill.  Had thought at one time I could probably contribute to the so-called “blue dog democrats” but since they longer exist can’t do that.  Have felt more many years that our elected officials didn’t give a darn what we felt and that they had the attitude that they knew best what was good for us.  Got news for them, I for one will be more than happy to contribute to their being out of a job.

Anyone know of a site that will list the votes, especially those voting Aye??

Nancy……….. a Devil in disguise? Devil yes…………………………disguise no. 

This boat loaded with garbage is headed down the River Styx with all of them aboard.

If nobody wants to be the deciding vote, why does anyone want to be a yes vote at all.

If it were a good bill, they should be proud to be the deciding vote.

That translates into they know this bill is a POS, and they know We the People are going to be rightly PISSED come November.

Any YES vote is a Deciding vote when the lever is pulled in November.

Well the devils in the details!

I wish I lived in this guy’s district. But Wisconson gets sooo cooold!!

This is so good:

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/fact-sheet-the-truth-about-the-health-care-bill/

Did you ever ask yourself, “How  could so many people voluntarily drink the juice in Jones Town?” Watch the Dems voting today and you might get an answer. The sad people in Jones Town knew they were dead one way or another. Many of the invertebrate Dems are more afraid of Nazi P. than they are of their furious constituencies. They’ll vote “yes” to keep Nazi P. off of their backs NOW, and place all of their hopes that the anger will die down by November back home. I, for one, will NEVER forget!

I think MSNBC jumped the gun.  This tweet from Major Garrett:
MajoratWH Stupak spox 2 me on abortion/EO deal: “No…there is not yet a deal & he is still a NO vote right now.” Note: “right now”
  

Yes, I can imagine all of the House Dems spending hours in the Congressional showers trying to wash off their guilt, and murmuring “Out, Out………damn spot!”

So putting “the legislation” online 72 hours ahead of any vote was just a show – they’ve been making changes and deals since then.

BO might sign that executive order affecting abortion at the last minute to get the Stupak bloc’s vote, without the pro-choice caucus knowing leading them to keep their vote yes.

If this is true Sows, then the money they paid to the boat man is the best expenditure of our tax dollars in a long time.

isn’t firedoglake a liberal site. i keep seeing links to it and i could have sworn they were way left. has something changed over there?

Geesh, of course he is from Ohio!  (I posted this correctly downstairs.)  I am so sorry; I was just writing to someone else about Congresswoman Kaptur (D-Ohio), who is rumored to now be a Yes.  I was saying I need to update my post honoring her…

I get the pleasure of voting against harry reid

and his son is running for governer, I’ll make sure to vote for fido the dog on that one.

Amnesty is next.  Does this mean then the IRS could go after all the long-time illegals and get back taxes to to pay for the health care they may be getting for free now?  But how will the IRS know who they are?  What’s the incentive for declaring oneself an illegal who wants amnesty?  I’m just a dumb ankle-biting peasant who pays taxes and will be screwed in my old age. 

It’s now being reported that Stupak says he is not a yes (yet)-they are still talking. Tweeters saying the house is doing other business now, and probably don’t have the votes right now. I want to hope, but I can’t trust these jokers to vote it down in the end.

Noogan — thanks for posting this link:  this is exactly the kind of factual information that is so important (sad that the Dems have been told they have to pass the bill, in spite of the facts, in order to “save Obama’s presidential legacy” (I still get dnc emails from way back when in the PO – pre-Obama – era, when I was a registered Dem; this is how the dnc is selling the bill to its lemmings).

I saw this on some blog yesterday (apologies if it was someone here), but if you want a nice break from this anxiety, you can flip back and forth to this live webcam of a hummingbird’s nest/babies

http://www.phoebeallens.com/

I haven’t seen anything yet myself, but while I’m waiting for something bad to happen in Washington, it’s nice to switch over and wait for something cute to happen….

House Chair says we make up the RULZ as we go along….(Don’t we know it?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHTJSu_2Lk

Illegals are exempt. They will be the new dem base.

Some people say that this bill is not lawful and we can fight back – but others say that it’s essentially a tax and the government is allowed to tax us “for our own good”.  I think it’s very interesting that they choose to have the IRS be involved – maybe to bolster their defense in the future that it’s “just a tax” and legal….

Stupak’s office is taking yes/no calls, recording totals.
EdMorrissey RT @KamaainaInOC @pir8gold @sfkarenmc: JUST GOT THRU Call Stupack He is counting calls yes/no 202.225.4735 #killthebill PLS RT! CALL!!
  

This one’s not exactly funny. File it under “I did not know that”

The Tea Partiers were just calling the Black Caucus members Royalty in Ethiopian. It is considered quite an honor.

I’ll bet Clyburn would be offended if they put rose petals at his feet too.

Sybill…

I just get a recording… please detail your message more.

Sybilll — thanks for posting this!  I just called and got through on the second try. Got a very nice real person answering the phone who registered my “no” and said that she would relay that to the Congressman.  Thank you, thank you, thank you — at least now I feel as if I’m done some even little thing today to make me feel sane.

I texted “Kill the Bill” to the listed number – we’ll see if it comes back.

I’ll say this one more time. The bulk of Americans voters are NOT engaged. Why is Larry so surprised at this? LJ has been involved in DC politics for a very long time and if any of this surprises him I am shocked! This is the same ole, same ole shit we have been going through for the last 50 years. My bet is that it will also not be the huge voter killers in November as many think.  Even if it is. Who’s is going to take control? The same bunch pf assholes we threw out four years ago?  Now that makes logic! Just stupid shit at its finest!

Weezer — when I called the number sybill gave us (202-225-4735), the woman who answered spoke so quickly that I didn’t know what office I had called. So I just said: “Are you logging yes/no votes for Congressman Stupak on the health care bill?” and the woman very politely said, “Yes, I am; what can I do for you?” and that’s when I, very politely back, registered my preference.  Thank God there is still civility in some parts of Government!

Got to hand it to the kid though for coming through in a high pressure moment

(I posted this under Ryan’s video on another thread, but it fits better here.)

Ryan has a proposal to fix a system (Medicare) that is going to fail in 7 years, it is 38 trillion in the hole with unfunded mandates. He explained it clearly and reasonably in terms that should be understandable to most Americans. With Slaughter at the helm, the Democrats on this committee could do nothing but interrupt, distort, and ridicule, all at the same time that not a single one of them could possibly explain what THEIR bill will do to solve the problem of Medicare bankruptcy.  
 
They can’t explain their bill for several reasons. First, I doubt they have a clue what the effects their bill will have on Medicare. Second, they don’t want to divulge the contents of their bill because they realize that the more WE know about it, the more enraged we’ll be. And third, there’s not a single Democrat with Ryan’s eloquence that could clearly explain something that they themselves don’t understand.  
 
On the broad spectrum issue of healthcare and medical insurance, the Republicans want to address the problems one wavelength at a time. Handled in this manner, it will be much easier to evaluate the effectiveness of each program because we would be able to keep each issue somewhat isolated and definable. This monster bill we’re apparently going to be stuck with, is so broad and far reaching that it will be impossible to demonstrate one way or another, which aspects of it are effective and which are not. While I’m convinced that the WHOLE thing will be a catastrophic failure, the public understanding of the problems will be so nebulous that the asshole Progressives who’ve advocated it, will be able to pin the blame for the failure on, who else, the insurance companies and medical providers in general. This of course will pave the way for them to demand total government control of the entire system, which has been their intention all along.  
 
The Progressive attack on our individual liberties will not stop with the complete usurpation of the medical industry, this is just their biggest and boldest step since Medicare/Medicaid. Education, energy production, food production, housing, etc. will ALL end up in the Progressive’s cross hairs. How marvelous it will be when all of are needs are addressed and provided by those much more qualified to determine what we want and need, than we are ourselves.  
 
Todays vote will be the tipping point that will cause the way of life our founders envisioned for us, to fall off the cliff.

This is TWICE!

THYE’VE TAKEN HOSTAGES…

Is that you Nancy, or just a brilliant disguise?

This is was in LA Times today, no less – that the Obama Admin has rejected more Freedom of Information requests than the Bush Admin ever thought about!  So much for that open and transparent thingy.

http://tinyurl.com/yj2snbn

This would be the second amnesty in my lifetime.  Why do we even bother?  Let’s just drop the whole concept of “citizen’.  Having amnesty every 25 years is no different than dropping the borders.  Pffttt.  It’s no more healthy for a country to have no boundaries than for a person to have no boundaries.

Do these politicians ever stop to think what the quality of life would be if we let unlimited people live here?

I hope this is true:
EdMorrissey RT @michellemalkin: RT @BDayspring: Breaking: The Hill reports “Dems don’t appear to have 216 hours before #hcr vote” http://ow.ly/1p5fL
  

Ryan was fabulous. He’s been an extremely busy man today.

I remain surprised by Jane Hamsher over at FDL. Her’s was one of the first blogs I went to when I first began blogging. I had to leave b/c they were so liberal and had nothing nice to say about Hillary.

FDL has done a 180 and it’s curious why? What’s changed? Even their commenters who are liberal are expressing their outrage.

The bill will pass that is my opinion.  I have stated this over and over.  It will pass because it helps corporate america.  Its a done deal. 

the delay is nothing more than a pony show to try to garner sympathy for the congress men and women who are sacrificing themselves to ensure that the rich keep control of our government.

Not being the deciding vote is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.  Say it all they want, but number 216 is the deciding votes.  Demonrats are so stupid!

What I hope is that Republicans and Democrats will have learned the lesson of what happens when they allow the extremes of their party control the policy.

King George and the NeoCons ran the Fesderal deficit wild with their buy now pay later attitude. And now they are Paying with Obama/Pelosi/Reid as their masters.

The Democrats will hopefully learn what happens when they blindly follow Hopey Dopey policy of people like Obama/Pelosi/Reid. They will meet the executioner in the next election.

When Bush beat Gore everyone talked about the death of the Democratic Party. Republicans acted like they could party like their parents were on a year vacation. They could and did whatever they wanted.

When Obama beat McCain everyone talked about the death of the Republican Party. The Democrats are just starting to feel the nasty hangover from that wicked party. The ones that are reviving from their hopium induced comas anyway. Many Dems will never be revived.

If the bill gets passed, how many percentage points is the stock market going to drop tomorrow? Caterpillar saying that they lose a lot of money because of it – and I reckon it’s the same at other companies…

18 BREAKING: The Hill reports 39 Dem NO votes – BREAKING – http://bit.ly/dd2BZq
I think the magic number to stop this was 38.  I hate to get my hopes up, but……..

She can sic the IRS on them or plant stories about them. She has lots more power than she is capable of managing with any restraint.

That is why I am fully invested in China. At least there is one growing nation that believes in Capitalism.

There is no telling what Obama is likely to do the US. Even if HC fails.

I HAD to turn off C-SPAN.  My son has to write a paper on the Depression and, knowing PBS has a great segment on American Experience on that period, I watched this with him.  Thank goodness, half-way through, he needed a break.  So, turning up the volume, I resumed C-SPAN to tune in talk on kickbacks.  Rep. Slaughter – can she possibly think she retains ANY credibility after the debacle of her handling of Rep. Ryan’s testimony before the Chair? -  just said, one-state perquisites, while in the bill voted on by the House, will somehow be extended to multiple states before signed into law, so that the enacted legislation will have no single state bonuses.

Will the pissadent do a line item on this monstrosity?

It looks like it will come down to Stupak…is he a man of convictions, a man with a true backbone? Or is he another weak politican, buckling under the pressure of his party and voting against his conscious? One thing is for sure, his name is going to go down in history…Obama won’t like that part of the story…

The Hill has eight Democrats in the undecided/unclear column: Reps Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.), Paul Kanjorski (Pa.), Alan Mollohan (W.Va.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Mike Quigley (Ill.), Bobby Rush (Ill.) and Loretta Sanchez (Calif.).”

Unless they are holding out for more goodies….I can’t believe Rush (especially) or Sanchez are undecided….

It doesn’t give me any comfort in the accuracy of Hill’s report.

COUNTRY before CLUB.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/live-blog-4-the-stupak-six-are-on-board-which-makes-220-yes/#comments

Riverdaughter says the whole Stupak bloc has folded, and now Pelosi has 220, enough to pass it

An excellent article:
 
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/calling_all_rebels_20100308

People have been trying to come here for generations because we are/were building a better life for our citizens. It was a melting pot but those who came wanted to become Americans. They may not have spoken English when they came, but they learned. The gov., schools, and  big businesses did not provide  language options when people dealt with them.
We cannot support the whole world, therefore it behooves us to choose first of all immigrants who are not antagonistic towards our culture and mores, those who want to to become part of the fabric of our nation. That may mean that we adopt as our citizens those who are at least basically educated, or better yet, have useful skills. It may be impolitic to say this, but we cannot afford millions more of the “unwashed masses”.

People have been trying to come here for generations because we are/were building a better life for our citizens. It was a melting pot but those who came wanted to become Americans. They may not have spoken English when they came, but they learned. The gov., schools, and  big businesses did not provide  language options when people dealt with them.  
We cannot support the whole world, therefore it behooves us to choose first of all immigrants who are not antagonistic towards our culture and mores, those who want to to become part of the fabric of our nation. It may also mean that we adopt as our citizens those who are at least basically educated, or better yet, have useful skills. It may be impolitic to say this, but we cannot afford millions more of the “unwashed masses”.

Looks like Stupak has rolled over backwards…Where is Batman when you need him to stop the Joker?

I tried to call 3x but as the mail box is full, I was trying to follow directions for leaving a message at another ext. or anywhere, but couldn’t do it.

Oh no, Politico reporting Stupak made a deal.  allahpundit Stupak deal with Obama? http://is.gd/aRULO
  

 
Stupak news conference in 10 minutes, just announced on Fox news

The mills of God grind slow, exceeding slow. Or Karma  Or Retribution Or Fate….bound to find her and her little army of ants. 

Even during the Civil Rights days that was less than or maybe a dozen states in the south that were holding out against integration.
I cannot see how this can fly.

Why are there no Republicans for it and even some Democrats.

With the Virginia anti-health care  Bill  it was almost unanimous with almost all the Democrats too.

He’s camera shy Peter! =-O

Its so sick how some are trying to make this sybolic of things that have nothing to do with this bill.

yeah, we all know that Obama doesn’t like to be in the public

I guess his new catch phrase from now on is going to be the one of the Million Dollar Man: “Everybody’s got a price…everybody’s got to pay…as BHO always gets his way….(evil lough included)”

First reports correct: Stupak another spineless wonder.

The asshole caved.  I am sickened. 

Stupak has overdosed on the kool aid. No other explanation for what he is spewing right now (and that he believes PBO will keep his word.) 

Stupak sold out…

I hope the protest are going to intensify after the vote instead of dying down…

America going down the drain and Democrats securing special deals for themselves…Wouldn’t be surprised if Stupid took money directly to change his mind…

See my link  above. They are making up the RULZ as they go along.

I forsee a massive turnover in Congress come November. I will volunteer my own time to rid my district of elected Democrats, local or national office.

OBAMA CAVED TO STUPAK!!!

NO ABORTION FUNDING.

this is sickening (pun intended)…

Yep sowsear, here’s some theme music for “the boat loaded with garbage headed down the River Styx with all of them aboard,” sung by an appropriate singing group:

I’ve tried 7x now. I’ll keep trying to get through. I hope he’s not caved

Well, gosh, now BO has time to focus on jobs, jobs, jobs. 

We’ll get another speech about how he’s going to now focus on it 100%, but as soon as his speech is over, he’ll work 100% on something else, like amnesty.

Call senators immediately.

Neil Cavuto is the new Baghdad Bob. Fox is saying the Dems are still racing to secure 216 when Stupak just put them at 220.

I guess after it passes tonight, Fox will still be saying that the Dems are looking to secure 216 votes.

As far as I’m concerned, they’re ALL the deciding vote!

They suspended the rulz several days ago and Acee said they are making them up as they go. (my link posted above)

Obama signed an $18 billion dollar jobs bill 3 days ago. Everyone missed it cause they were distracted by health care.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/obama-signs-jobs-bill.html?wprss=44

Don’t forget, the Stupack coalition originally voted YES. So they don’t change anything. There are other Dems that Voted yes, and have committed to NO, or are still uncomitted.

My take is that Stupak knows the bill is not going to pass, so he can now save face by voting yes with the pledge of Obama’s EO.

If the Bill passes, and Obama follows up on the EO, there is still no way to follow the dollars that can go to abortion funding.

If you have a private health plan, subsidized by Obamacare tax credits, there is no way to trace whether your tax credit dollars are spent on Abortion, or the dollar comes out of your pocket. The EO is meaningless.

Stupack needs to be for Healthcare, and be Anti Abortion, so he gets both, and the POS Bill still fails.

The best case scenario for every Dem, except Obama is for the Bill to Fail.

He not only believes OBO will keep his word. He believes an EO can track the HC dollars. It can’t.

Changing the subject will not suffice as intelligence, Daedalus.

I won’t have to do anything. 34 States Attorneys general planning to challenge it in Fed Court. And Many States are voting to ignore it.

It will be overturned by May, if Obobo signs it into law.

The fight is just beginning…BHO has then won a battle but not the war (against his own people).

I’m gonna work to get my senators to rip it apart.

Florida AG is ready to go.  So is Virginia’s.

So Daedalus, this is a whole lot bigger than some bloggers.

Same here Cindy, Can we hold hands together when we go Cindy, oowawa, Onofre’s arm.
Seems we blog in packs, may as well go over the cliff together!

Look at these idiots hope they have healthcare!

You know P Obot is sat writing his book of the many wonders on why this is a great day.

Halleluiah PO will save the day.

Ok I have a question Why is Pelosi just about the only dem not upside down????  I mean it look like she will get re-elected.

Same here Cindy, Can we hold hands together when we go Cindy, oowawa, Onofre’s arm.  
Seems we blog in packs, may as well go over the cliff together!  
Look at these idiots hope they have healthcare!  

 
You know P Obot is sat writing his book of the many wonders on why this is a great day.  
Halleluiah PO will save the day

I can’t get on Drudge-must be overwhelmed right now.

My comment goes to Confused American^^^

A text of the pending executive order follows:

EXECUTIVE ORDER

- – - – - – -

ENSURING ENFORCEMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF ABORTION RESTRICTIONS IN THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (approved March __, 2010), I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Policy.
Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this Executive Order is to establish a comprehensive, government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors–Federal officials, state officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers–are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.

The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly-created health insurance exchanges. Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience (such as the Church Amendment, 42 U.S.C. §300a-7, and the Weldon Amendment, Pub. L. No. 111-8, §508(d)(1) (2009)) remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

Numerous executive agencies have a role in ensuring that these restrictions are enforced, including the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

CONTINUED BELOW:

Stupak’s Been Lying All Along!!!

Well, JustMe, the cliff jumping sounds like great fun, but I’m actually quite upbeat about what’s going on now.  The reason: the battle lines are becoming much clearer.   It is becoming easier and easier to tell friends from enemies.  That’s good!  Now the real battle can begin in earnest . . .

The right thing for Democrats to do would be to vote “present”…BHO built a whole career on being present…

So how long until he revokes it to please his abortionist friends LOL

It’s similar to the kind of psychology that’s applied in firing squads. In state sanctioned firing squads, one of the rifles is loaded with blanks so that each of the members may make a plausible claim that they were not the one to fire one of the deadly shots. The congressmen who are the 216th and 217th votes will be considered the worst of the lot, so you can be sure those members will be from safe districts like Nazi P’s, or Jim McDumbass’s district in Seattle. The most vulnerable Dems will seek anonymity amongst the crowd of other nervous congressmen by voting early on.

The Golden Spike through the heart of private healthcare will be driven in by someone like Henry Waxman or Nazi P. herself.

Hey, Onofre, that is essentially what I just wrote my email list.  hahahahahahahahaha.  

Wait until the folks find out their beloved IRS will be monitoring them on h.c., that they’ll be penalized for no insurance with a fine.  

They’ve gotten what they want….Women have been completely dismembererd by this bill….Welcome to Stupakistan

That’s a good way of looking at it oowawa. That’s why hunters wear orange, and why, until recently, Marxists disguised themselves in Progressive camouflage. Now the good guys can all recognize each other, and point our weapons in unison at our Marxist/Progressive targets.

That cartoon actually doesn’t represent anything remotely related to the health care bill.  Literally no connection at all.  If NQ ever had bothered to even read the healthcare legislation, they might have picked up on that.

“Women have been completely dismembererd by this bill….Welcome to Stupakistan”

Except that nothing has changed.  The Hyde amendment is still in place, as it has been for decades.  Neither this bill nor the executive order accompanying it affect abortion rights at all.

Right. Tell that to the CEO of Catepillar.

I can’t believe my country died today.  I should have seen the writing on the wall when Hitler took the throne.  but i had hopes we could ride this out.  where can the free go now?

JUST WAIT!!!!

Well, at least you guys have once again been shown to be an impotent minority. I’m sure you’ll come back at me with some crushing rhetoric about how we’re all going to die or every Demoncrap will be voted out of office (maybe O’Bummer will even be impeached!) but I’ll be too busy celebrating the upcoming passing of the most significant legislation in 45 years to read it. 
Enjoy the pity party, you pathetic babies.

No, just you and your teabagger buddies. Where’s your Browning now?

<blockquote>converts are led to believe that every single one of their votes is critical to the passage of the bill, they’ll believe that they dare not switch back to “Nay.”<.blockquote> YES YES. My sentiments. But there is proof of this particlar MO. They employ it all of the time. It’s called trickery and lies.

Beat us or Fucked us? In a fair fight, they could never beat us, but being the little socialists fuckers they are, they did screw us, and you too, you just aren’t smart enough to realize it yet.

I don’t think they really care what the Constitution says anymore…

In other words, Stupak was going to be a sellout all along, he just wanted his 15 minutes of fame and the promise of a worthless executive order to cover his spineless backside regarding his high fallutin yet phony pro-life position.

I think it would be appropriate for the Dem clowns in congress to pile out of a Mini Cooper, one after the other, when they start to vote on this bill, as this would be consistent with the circus theme they’ve developed regarding the healthcare debate.

Obama: Jobs Not ‘Most Important Domestic Priority’

Wrong. The bill will pass with a dozen votes to spare. And within a few weeks (or perhaps only days), public opinion will have shifted decisively in favor of this legislation, and this president. 

Shoo now little bot.  You know nothing about what you speak of.  

Obama didn’t win anything, yet.  Least of all the 2012 election.  

Your age is turning into your shoe size.  

Wouldn’t you rather have them be truthful and above board?  Or are you as corrupt as they are, Daedalus.  It’s says alot about you.

Grow up? Honey I’m the grown up one here. You evidently don’t have a problem NOW with cheaters and liars as long as it’s your side doing it. I suppose you were against Bush doing it, but now it’s fair. Well let me tell you little girl, I have been against both. It wasn’t right for either side. Talk about fucking growing up, you sound like a little kid complaining to their mommy,,,,” but she did it first”……

You’re right, because this bill is what will cause the sleeping giant to awake and get rid of the socialists. Mess with people’s healthcare and their lives, expect to get hit back. And it won’t be pretty. And that’s not a threat, it’s a promise.

i “must not” own any stock? either you are another proof that the american education system is crap or you have drunk so much koolaid that you think you can tell people what they are allowed to do.

I suppose you wanted to say “you don’t have to own any stocks”. but even then you are showing that you have got no clue. if there’s no capital going to the companies, there’s no job creation (apart from the federal sector) and without any job creation, there’s no economic recovery…

Peter, with the reconciliation bill taking 3.8 percent of annuities et.al. it may not matter to many of us how much the Market tanks.  If those of us who were thrifty, saving for our retirements, are the ones who pay for the HC POS, why should we not just cash everything in and go out with a bang?

Different can of worms, not saying the GOP was in the right, but hey keep working there to look intelligent Daedalus.

Remember during the primaries how Bo’s group would always give out misleading numbers, pretending (lying) they had already won.

i would love to see that happen…the market is overdue for another big move on the downside – and i want to cash in again that way…haven’t seen any credible economist who thinks this bill is going to lower the deficit or create jobs…if you think more people should be insured is an ideological question that can and should be discussed. but to think this is in any way or form going to be cheaper or create jobs is just patently absurd…

i would sincerely welcome a minus 400 or 500 point day tomorrow

Essentially Obama is doing a line item Veto with an executive order. I agree it could not be legal and I don’t think given his view on abortion he will even follow through on his promise.

Long ago, admitted Marxists called themselves Progressives to keep their activities hidden. THEY are the ones who co-opted the word.

I understand you when you don’t like that word applied to Marxists, but individuals like Prime Obot call themselves Progressives, and they are beyond any doubt Marxists in word and deed. I’m re-reading David Horowitz’s book “Radical Son”, and he provides great detail about the underground Communist/Marxist element that has existed in this country for more than 100 years, and they usually referred to themselves as Progressives, wink, wink.

Years ago, if you were what might today be called a conservative, you might have called yourself liberal, liberals then were advocates for personal liberty, much like today’s Libertarians. The meaning has changed because the word was used by those wearing wolf’s clothing.

I realize that People like Hillary have called themselves Progressives, but she might be well advised to either clearly define what she means by that, or find a better word to describe herself, or she’ll run the risk of being considered a Marxist, even though we know she is not.

When I use the “name” Progressive, I’m describing people like Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Obama, Prime Obot, Bernie Saunders, etc., who truly want to drive this country into Marxism and mass slavery to the state. I’m not referring to people who want progress, or who sincerely want the betterment of mankind, I’m not a Luddite after all.

Confused American — I’m relieved to see NH on that list, but don’t see Texas.
Have they decided to skip straight over to secession?

Daedalus meet Shane below.  You can ride on the bus to the Obama indoctrination camp together this summer.

And unless you have a JD and have worked in the industry for say, 25 years, I wouldn’t be interpreting the worth of lawsuits.  Enron and Bernie Madoff didn’t think they would get caught and Toyota is in the midst of damage control.  Funny how the law and lawsuits work that way.

Speaking of Florida, did you know that in the State of FL, e-mail addresses are public information? I saw this warning on a site that said to call or write them at their land address to avoid having your e-mail address published.

Must be the reflection off the Golden Gate Bridge…

When your financial planner is telling you to stuff money in the mattress, it’s time to listen. 

Yes, Executive Order, just what the framers of the Constitution had in mind when they set up the separation of powers.

Suing a corporation or individual is a whole different can of worms than trying to sue the federal government. Good luck with that. I’ll remember to come back to remind you of that when you lose in a couple of months.

Looks like you got your answer, Peter.  Stupak caved for a promise of an Executive Order prohibiting federal funding of abortions.  So much for principles.

If Dante didn’t list a level in Hell for Democrat politicians, he should have put them way down there.

The new democrats made history alright. They just gave up what thousands have fought and died for from the beginnings of this country.
backtrack will sign an excutive order about abortion. How thrilling. Remember when we had 3 separate branches of government?
Today’s government is a bigger threat to the American people than any foreign enemy ever thought of being.
Elections no longer mean anything. No representation for the American people. The government has sold our futures to Wall street and our bodies to the insurance companies.

May they all rot in hell.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

I can picture it now. Obama, Rahm, Axelrod and Gibbs all standing around the TV high-fiving each other as the first vote passed.

NO one is saying it wouldn’t pass.  It’s the dems’ show.  It needs to move on so that the real processes can begin of dismantling it.

No tissues needed.  But a word of caution.  You’d better stalk up on tissues, Daedalus, for those tax increases and  higher premiums.

dae shut up

Let’s ask Arabella how to say “Let them eat cake” in Pelosi french.

I know. Isn’t it great!

I just saw Michelle Bachmann. She looked like she was going to cry.

Where’s Jim DeMint by the way? Haven’t seen him on TV all day. Did someone say waterloo? Yeah, for the Republicans.

I can afford it. But I guess from your comment you can’t. Its okay Buzz, you can get Medicaid or Medicare if you’re old enough. (Both socialist programs by the way)

We’re on the same page oowawa, I don’t like words like progressive being hijacked by forces that don’t actually want true progress of a positive sort. The “Final Solution” may have been progress in a Nazi’s eyes, so all progress is not necessarily positive.

My concern is that since Obama’s election, Marxists like Van Jones are coming out of their closets in droves, they call themselves progressives, and they are actually managing to alter public perception on issues such as socialism and blur the boundaries between private and public responsibilities. If you accurately call them Marxists, they squeal that you’re a John Bircher or a conspiracy nut and use this ridicule to end the exchange. Since I know what they mean when they call themselves Progressives—they’re Marxists—I’ll oblige them and call them what they want to be called, knowing that a rat by any other name, still smells like shit.

There is this strange part of me that wants this monstrosity passed, because I believe it will be the beginning of the end of the extreme Democrats who have taken over the party and the country. This bill will not stand without a massive fight. I do fear it is going to tear the country apart, but perhaps we need a purge of the corrupt radical elements from government, and this will be the wake up call to do it. 

Just trying to look at the bright side…

I guess that’s why the Executioner wears a hooded mask…I wonder what an executioner’s family thinks of him when they realize what he does for a living

I’m a shill, a liar and a ballerina too! Cool, huh?

But you know what’s really crazy? None of the bad things you think will happen are going to. And things will get better and you all here are going to benefit. But because the guy you hate is giving it to you, you’ll never admit it.

It’s like if you’re starving and Obama offers you a sandwich. You tell him to ‘eff off but he leaves the sandwich anyway. And when he’s out of sight, you gobble it down.

Next vote at around 9pm eastern.

Dingell equates passage with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  Now, I get it.  BO is black; we are giving BO what HE wants; therefore, we are not racist. 

That’s nice. So Obama can tell us exactly what is was like the day he marched over Pettis Bridge with Dr. King. Or was it his father who marched over Pettis Bridge?

A circular firing squad of sorts

I’m waiting for somebody to compare passage of this bill to Jesus Christ rising from the dead on Easter.

Thanks, HC123.

People, people, people…we have got to quit feeding these trolls.  They put up a post that’s clearly bait, someone responds to it and suddenly they’re in control of the entire conversation. 

We’re wasting precious space on a first-rate blog engaging in schoolyard squabbles with kool-aid addicts.   It’s all worthless keystrokes because there is nothing anyone here can say that will register with them.  Why squander the output of fine minds on obots?

Have you noticed that they’ve multiplied since we’ve started feeding them?  That’s not coincidence.

PLEASE…do not reply to them.  When you do, you’re doing exactly what they want.  If you want to make them madder than hell, ignore them.

I hope there’s life after death cause right now I don’t want to see another day.  I’m glad my mom and dad are gone.  They died in america.  I am not looking forward to this asshole Obama being my dictator for the next 50 years.

Hey Democrats – if reform threatens players like the pharmaceutical industry, why are they spending so much money on Democrats?

1 Eshoo, Anna (D-CA) $112,050
2 Capuano, Michael E (D-MA) $85,350
3 Hoyer, Steny H (D-MD) $72,000
4 Clyburn, James E (D-SC) $70,819
5 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) $70,300
6 Matheson, Jim (D-UT) $70,000
7 Boehner, John (R-OH) $68,450
8 Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) $62,700
9 Camp, Dave (R-MI) $62,150
10 Burgess, Michael (R-TX) $60,500
11 Rogers, Mike (R-MI) $60,300
12 Thompson, Mike (D-CA) $57,750
13 Hill, Baron (D-IN) $57,709
14 Barton, Joe (R-TX) $56,500
15 Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) $53,900
16 Ross, Mike (D-AR) $52,050
17 Becerra, Xavier (D-CA) $49,627
18 Inslee, Jay R (D-WA) $49,500
19 Bean, Melissa (D-IL) $49,300
20 Altmire, Jason (D-PA) $47,421

Deep down you know you love Obama. Just admit it and let your hate go. You’ll feel better.

Fox News knows it’s over. They’re showing the Red River now. They’re not even bothering to show the Republicans arguing against the bill.

America is fucking dead to me.  Maybe I will move to Ireland.  I’m gonna get an Irish flag and had it on my porch.  I am a citizen of Ireland.  I just work in this Cesspool.  You Americans are just a bunch of spinless wimps who actually pissed away your freedom for a plastic Jesus.  You guys are pathetic.  Americans make me vomit

In which who loses? Are you that daft that you don’t know that you and America are the loser, unless of course, you’re not an American.

Here’s the truth about what party is in the back party of the insurance companies…….

1 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $258,400
2 Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) Senate $195,100
3 Pomeroy, Earl (D-ND) House $157,900
4 Frank, Barney (D-MA) House $147,499
5 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $147,300
6 Kanjorski, Paul E (D-PA) House $144,200
7 Grassley, Chuck (R-IA) Senate $139,450
8 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $130,750
9 Bean, Melissa (D-IL) House $129,700
10 Burr, Richard (R-NC) Senate $127,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=F09
Top recipients of health professionals’ money:

1 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $303,725
2 Price, Tom (R-GA) House $271,775
3 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $252,150
4 Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) House $240,350
5 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $233,150
6 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $233,000
7 Wyden, Ron (D-OR) Senate $208,971
8 Kirk, Mark (R-IL) House $202,600
9 Gingrey, Phil (R-GA) House $178,325
10 Vitter, David (R-LA) Senate $175,350
Pharmaceuticals:

1 Burr, Richard (R-NC) Senate $172,019
2 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $148,365
3 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $133,100
4 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $124,850
5 Eshoo, Anna (D-CA) House $112,050
6 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $99,250
7 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $97,950
8 Murray, Patty (D-WA) Senate $89,250
9 Capuano, Michael E (D-MA) House $86,350
10 Kirk, Mark (R-IL) House $84,460
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=H04
Lawyers: wonder why no tort reform in HCR bill?

1 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $1,774,223
2 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $977,472
3 Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) Senate $849,269
4 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $757,900
5 Meek, Kendrick B (D-FL) House $544,933
6 Boxer, Barbara (D-CA) Senate $454,970
7 Leahy, Patrick (D-VT) Senate $412,541
8 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $411,329
9 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $382,886
10 Bennet, Michael F (D-CO) Senate $364,350
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=H01

You will notife that they are almost all Democrats. So you got bought and sold. Losers

BO”s got to finish what he was selected bought-and-paid to do, regardless of the consequences.

Look up Obama’s relatives when you get there. Buh-bye.

No hate here. Just pointing out the obvious about him. Sorry you’re so thin skinned like him that you can’t understand that. Love, well he has enough of that for himself, he doesn’t need us.

Thanks for finding that, nice to have names to go with numbers. Too bad some people are to willfully ignorant to acknowledge who really benefits from this latest legislative monster. It isn’t for “the people’s” benefit. 

That’s right, he’s my tyrant. Hell, I don’t drink the koolaid, I swim in it first and THEN drink it. This means I’ll be just fine.

But you’ll never go along with the program so yeah, you might want to leave the country.

I guarantee you, for all the smack you talk here, if you met President Obama the only thing you’d say would be, “It’s nice to meet you sir” Now, what does that say about YOU?

The title at CNN is: Healthcare Showdown. Yeah, right. What showdown? The Republicans got their asses handed to them. That’s not a showdown. The title should be: Repubs get massacred.

Wrong again, bi-racial here, just like our POS president, only I don’t blame the side that isn’t black.

But please keep up all the attacks, pettiness, and name calling on the greatest president you’ve ever seen. Keep it up because with each Obama win, you’re all going to eventually realize just how small and foolish you’ve been.

You don’t benefit?

WHOH! Have you ever been in China? I mean out of the tourist paths? China is running full speed ahead towards major crisis: Food supply crisis, Infrastructure crisisi, civil unrests….

Trust me I have been there and what I saw pretty much reassured me that they are taking their dreams of dominance for realities. Don’t be fooled.

You’re dreaming daedalus, the pharma companies own Obama and the others. Must be some good drugs you’ve been taking though to believe that. Better have a gander up above this post to see just how many dems are beholden to the drug and insurance company. And if you think for one minute that they will bite the hand that pays them, you are more ignorant than I first thought.

Oh yea, like he’s really related to any of those people the news keeps saying he is. You have bought everything hook, line and sinker.

I agree. They come here to lick each other’s wounds and make themselves feel better. With each Obama/progressive victory, they move the goalposts and say, “we’ll get him next time”.

I know I shouldn’t kick them when they’re down. I know it’s primal for them, but they’ve been dishing it out the whole year, so they can take it for a day or two.

Won’t be able to for long. Better check out the taxes backloaded into this bill.

You would be wrong, I don’t lie to anyone’s face. I don’t respect him. He’s a player

I hope all you people who decided to not support McCain are happy now.

The man couldn’t put two sentences together if it wasn’t for TOTUS. Jimmy Carter can now be relieved because he doesn’t get the title for the worst president ever, Obama does.

Hey daediaper:

The fact that it took a year with a Dem majority sayz it all.

Stop the antagonizer fest!

Some have questioned whether the states could sue the Federal Government…Well I’m not a lawyer so I am not up on that.  But the states can call a convention aboutthe constitution.  Seems that in the past when its lost its wind was due to no enough states…Seems that almost 40 states to start with would be enough states…

There have been two nearly-successful attempts to amend the Constitution via an Article V convention since the late 1960s. The first try was an attempt to propose an amendment that would overturn two controversial Supreme Court decisions, Wesberry v. Sanders and Reynolds v. Sims, dealing with voting districts and apportionment of votes in state elections. The attempt fell only one state short of reaching the 34 needed to force Congress to call a convention in 1969, ended by the death of its main promoter senator Everett Dirksen. After this peak, several states rescinded their applications, and interest in the proposed amendment subsided.[11] The next nearly-successful attempt to call a convention was in the late 1970s and 1980s, in response to the ballooning federal deficit. States began applying to Congress for an Article V convention to propose a balanced-budget amendment. By 1983, the number of applications had reached 32, only two states short of the 34 needed to force such a convention.[12] Enthusiasm for the amendment subsided in response to concerns about whether an Article V convention could be limited to a single subject and because Congress passed the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act, which required that the budget be balanced by 1991 (but that Act was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1986). [13]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The bots have already gotten banners for the occasion, I’m sure, Arabella.

Well here’s fox: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269836,00.html

And his ancestry is here:
http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

Read it yourself.

I beg to differ armymom. Obama can put two sentences together, they just don’t make sense or they are unrelated.

What hate? I love Obama. I’m just enjoying drinking your tears today.

Arabella — it was dreams from his father’s sperm.

Obama is descended from William I of Scotland, who reigned from 1165 to 1214.

Vote #2 in about 45 minutes. You guys still got your tissues ready?

the look an pee-losis face is priceless…i hope that in the coming days/weeks/months more people have the backbone to tell obama to the face that he is a liar…no need to apologize for telling the truth…

You guys are the ones whose heads are exploding. The Obots are dancing and popping champagne.

Obots win! Obots win! Obots win!

Donna Brazile is a professor at Georgetown University and the first African -American to direct a major presidential campaign.

Exactly Diaperhead!

You can’t see it in yourself or you wouldn’t be here. Haters always seek out those in opposition to their views. No one here sought you out hater.

They alreay think Obama did so what’s the point.

Man, your ugliness just gets more vile.

Stop the stupidfest!

 Hmmmm–I think I’ll go lock myself in a quiet place, like the bathroom, and ruminate upon this further . . .

At least there, Everyman has a throne.

Whoops look like the vote is at ten. That’s okay, I get to savor your tears that much longer.

I call BS. He descended from the Heavens, isn’t that what you guys believe. I say he was hatched on a log.

Congratulations, you win hater of the day. My momma sayz the rules is da rules.

Stop the hate!

You gotta watch the whole video. It’s pretty funny.

Now the good guys can all recognize each other, and point our weapons in unison at our Marxist/Progressive targets

Let’s go back to the Irish Blessing that applies: 
 
“May those who love us, love us; and those who don’t love us, may God turn their hearts; and if He doesn’t turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles so we’ll know them by their limping.”

Yes, I forgot that chapter in “Dreams of My Father” about Daddy’s sperm walking arm and in arm right next to Dr. King. Such a moving passage. How did I manage to forget it?

Okay, I”ve had enough. There isn’t one poster on here who believes in that shit. I should know. So take your race baiting ass and leave before you’re just banned. That’s all you guys have and I’m sick of it. Get the fuck over yourselves, get a job, an education or something, but quit claiming victim. No one makes you a victim but yourself.

Yeah, I’ve seen some lovely art on display already. Easter should be quite decorative this year.

I know I got mine! Hell yeah!

You’d get his autograph, frame it and put it up over your mantle.

That’s a pukefest in the making.

Wow, how old are you, 15? You’d “hit” that. Better go back to school and get an education. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. I bet you impress all the girls with that line, “hit that” Truly pathetic.

He must think he wins free health care, but it’s totally obvious that he hasn’t used his “free education”. He’s just a street punk

You have the facts in front of you. Believe whatever you want. I don’t care. I was talking to No Longer an American aka Mary Cusack who claims she’s an Irish expat.

You Rock!

Nope, he’s ugly, I might put it in my basement to chase away mice.

public opinion will have shifted decisively in favor of this legislation, and this president.
=====================
Not likely, MsCleoBot.

that she lost……

It’s back to red, check out the polls. People are pissed at him and Strickland. People who normally voted for Dems and work for Strickland, think he’s the worst governor we’ve had. I know, I campaigned for him, won’t be doing it again. Space is toast, which is why he was allowed to vote no. People aren’t buying it. So just keep thinking it’s Obama, it will make it that much easier in 2010

Well as you can tell, I’m not crying, not my type to do so. I don’t get mad, I get even.

Your tealeaves have been steeping too long, bothead.

Mmmm. Yummmyyyy! Your tears are so sweeet!!!!!

Grow up spoiled Americans.  You’re no longer special.  The Bush Administration made sure of that.  No more hip replacements at age 60.  Use heat, massage and exercise like the rest of the world does.  No more rotator cuff replacements at age 59.  Same thing, heat, massage, exercise.  Be patient and kind to your neighbor.  Get in line because now those sicker than you will go ahead of you.  As it should be!  Remember, Americans, you are no longer special. 

You assume too much.  But you did support a third socialist program, so whose the wiser?  

Simply not you.

Puke and Spew.

While that sperm was crawling it’s way into any idiot woman it could find.

Or was it Frank Marshall Davis’ sperm?

I’m sure Obama will release his records to prove he was technically at the march.

You low life piece of shit, quit the FUCKING race baiting. What part of your dense brain do you not understand. And as far as your friend dying, that’s too bad, really, but sorry at 22, she could still have been on her parents insurance until she was 23 if she was a full time student. And where the hell were her parents? Why didn’t they take care of their daughter. I take care of my children and now you want me to take care of everyone else’s. I also get mad at the fact that you use her as an example, but having college students myself, did she party, use her money for stupid shit and yet didnt pay for healthcare? Did she work, have a job? If not, why not? So your little example doesn’t paint the whole picture. And what the hell happened to having pride in yourself? Stay on your mommy’s insurance until you’re 26? Are you fucking kidding me? When the hell will you cut the umbelical cord? Here’s the problem with that, when the hell will you guys grow up? Geeez I know most of my friends, who have kids in college, expect accountability for their actions. You are advocating no accountability for actions, except to have other people pay for your shit. If I was your momma, I’d dump you off my plan in a heartbeat.

Polls had Obama losing two months before the election. He won then and the Dems will win this November, too ’cause you guys are losers.

Hopefully…

And I doubt that if she didn’t know enough to get medical help without insurance, she sure hell wouldn’t have gotten with. Also, had she went to an emergency room, she would have gotten help as they cannot refuse it. So go tell that made up piece of shit story to someone else, I don’t believe. Does Obama hand you guys out a book on sob stories and props?

in a couple of years, we won’t have democratic majorities.  how quickly we forget virginia, massachusetts, and new jersey.

i happen to live in new jersey.  i voted for christie and his victory was sweet.  victory in november will be sweet as well.

we might feel impotent now, but we will never forget.  i never forgot corzine giving all the state’s delegates to bo, even though hillary won here.  i emailed corzine the day of the vote and said, ‘that was for hillary.’

in november, we can send our own messages to whatever democrat we vote out of office and remind him or her…’that was for healthcare.’  i can’t wait.

Rightttttt. You know you’re thinking of Obama when your husband’s tapping it.

I’m sure it’s been asked ad nauseum but indulge me please. Why would so many Dems risk their jobs …electons being only 8 months away …for a bill which does NOTHING in terms of real health care reform? Especially when you consider that every poll in this country shows the majority of Americans against it and 0bama’s disapproval rating is higher than his approval rating.

Are they so insulated and completely out of touch with every day Americans that they don’t see the tsunami of voter anger headed their way come November??? Is Pelosi holding something over the No’s who’ve flipped to Yes?

Even if some of them are selling their vote for some sort of deal what good is it if it costs them their job in 8 months? They won’t even be able to enjoy the pyrrhic victory.

I would especially like to know Larry’s take on this.

and only got what she did by cheating.  Sounds like our little bot-bot’s kind of person.

Wow, you first!  All you have to do is fill in the letters you left out.  Go ahead we know you want to since you brought it up!

I guess we’ll wait and see. But I know from working in my office, even those with medicaid didn’t want this healthcare bill and if they did vote for Obama last time, they hate him now. Wait and see. Strickland is out, so is Space and I imagine that Kapur will follow.

Nope, but as a mother, thought maybe I could talk some sense into you and teach you some respect. I bet your own momma gave up on you too.

I hope you feel the same way when something like that happens to your kids. Just sayin’.

well, she was a grad student…you know how smart those are…next generation of cab drivers…

Bring it.
You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow

Yeah, especially if they’re the ones buying their degree online.

Seriously, they don’t have what it takes to make it so they need a nanny country.  

Oh and by the way, It ice, not heat. But then I don’t expect you to know that when you are completely clueless on everything else.

I just saw an ad for Stupak’s opponent.  He,he,heeee!

Also wasn’t this swine flu? How does anyone know if she could have been treated? Were there vaccinations on campus, or free, as in most communities: How did they know she had swine flu? Perhaps there was worry over keeping it contained, etc. etc. etc. on the details. If you are going to give an example, give a full one.

Guys guys guys….Let Obots laugh….November will be here soon enough.
Obama is falling in the polls
Reid is fall in the polls

I think if I take a look at almost any other race coming up this year I will find 75% with the Dem behind…

We will celebrate in November and we will celbrate in January of 2011

And if the states get their way we just might get to see a Constitutional Convention while they kick some Federal A$$  

Dance Away Obots and Have Your…Enjoy Your New Taxes

daedalus if she was a friend why didn’t you help? Worried you may have been stuck with the bill?
Hell you could of sold some of those shares your bragging about.
Yes I’m sure those against the healthcare reform we have witnessed would have stood back and simply watch a friend die. Simply mind-blowing! You even brag about a whole crowd of you could have all chipped in or at least made sure she was taken to the emergency room!

How are they going to create cross over medical records information, into the realm of taxes, in order to charge for changes to policy as per this bill ? What happens to the Hipaa Privacy rule, was this also changed in the bill? Can we rescind our Hipaa’s?

My kids wouldn’t be that stupid not to get help. Did she get the flu shot? See, you lack details and working in a doctor’s office, I call BS. Oh, it sounds like a sob story, but there is a lot of information lacking, just a prop. And I’m sure her death certificate said “cause of death”….lack of insurance. The sad fact is that real people are really dying, but from lack of insurance isn’t a cause of it. You see, illegals are getting all kinds of free treatment, but yet your friend died because of lack of insurance. Get real

He’s a caring dolt isn’t he? He let’s a friend die because she didn’t have the money, but yet him and his friends didn’t pitch in and get her help. And they think we’re cruel. Who let’s their friend die like that? He probably didn’t want to part with his drinking money.

Ok, you can revoke your Hipaa, but it has to be approved;only current Hippaa’s in place, not past medical history. I will be discussing this with both providers and Physicians.

armymom worry about your own blood pressure
daedalus is spewing some puddled talking points let him wallow in his own stew.

I assume everyone knows that the Reagan amnesty bill only got passed because it had a clause which stated THERE COULD NEVER BE ANOTHER AMNESTY!  The legislation to come out of the U. S. Congress isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

If this amnesty goes through, the U. S. will become predominantly Mexican.

You think about Obama when you’re wife is tapping your butt.

Dems are trying to rank this with other bills the public has been against —
There were not this % of the population against those bills
There were more people from both sides voting on them too
There were not 40 or so states against them either…

Armymom — I have alot of respect for you for trying to “teach a pig to sing”. But as Mark Twain said, it will only frustrate you and annoy the pig. I don’t like to see some little insignificant gnat causing so much aggravation for you. Just “flag” those posts and skip on down to where the interesting comments are.  

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ohhh thanks for the reminder PE! I will go backtracking lol

Teach me to be a hypocrite like you teach your kids? No thanks, I’ll pass. But I’ll still hit that if your hot. Hell, I might hit it anyway. Help you relieve some of this stress you seem to be under.

Come on Buzz. Let it out. Say it… Say it… Here, I’ll help, Niiii….

LOL!  Now we know you are just pretending to be an adult! 

Why didn’t you help your dying friend? Inquiring minds want to know. Trying to change the subject because you let your friend die and you did nothing to help her in her time of need. Some friend

I’m not union, you twit, my husband is. And we’re teaching them exactly what is wrong with a union. They learn quick, too bad you don’t. Your momma must be so proud of you….

Poor poor daedalus, I can tell from your post, you’re ugly and can’t get the women. Seems it’s you who is under the stress. So now you are talking about rape, cuz know way in hell would any one in their right mind say “yes” to you

Yeah, apparently he getting frinds on Facebook like crazy.

I saw a note that he’ll be set up to take donations Mon. I’ll check tomorrow,

I think he’s a doctor.

I don’t care if he’s a witch doctor, I will be sending $$ and phone banking.

Flights leave to Shannon twice daily from JFK.

But you won’t leave.  You’ll crab and whine and benefit from this bill.

Because people like you always, always do.

Dollars to doughnuts???  What are you 102 years old?   LOL!

Much like you guys and your phony props. No one is leaving because we’re going to stay and fight for our country and make sure that people like you don’t ever have control of our government again.

Wow, I just have to say that I’m really happy that NOW is pissed at Obama. They never stood up when Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin were bashed. Obama just slapped them in the face. Too funny. 

I descend from Charles II of England – The Stewarts or Stuarts if you prefer french.  I believe Scotland got owned by England so Obama loses the game of I descend from royalty.

But only a non adult would care.  Like You, Daedaloser!!!

I found it helped to use the mute button about then.

While it’s hard to watch, I want to see just when IS the right time for Boehner to ask for a roll call vote.

We were on to him.  They always reveal themselves in their cocky stupidty.  LOL!!

Constitutional convention and start over or buy some damn lobbyists and play politics.
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The former sounds like a better idea–after November. I’m afraid it is time to bring these miscreants into line and the only way is to put absolute fear of the electorate into them. We are their employers and not their subjects. They shold not have shoved this shit down our throats.

Aren’t there 37 states already on the verge?

When you have to look me up on Wikipedia, you’re a fair weather supporter.

Look in the mirror and see hate at it’s absolute worst.

Stop the I need a free handout fest!

From Dr. Benishek Facebook
Daniel Benishek Thank you for all of your support and donations. The Benishek for Congress PayPal account should be ready by Monday 3/22. We can do this!

The fat lady has sang! Well at least for now we still have to go through the regulatory process. It is not totall over…. While I am not a happy camper with how we will pay for this. Here is somehting for you cool-aid drinkers and doomers…..


A Final Weekend of Whoppers?

Health care legislation could be heading toward the final showdown. We look at the biggest falsehoods of the recent debate.
Before you open your mouths check your facts……

Unlike the two “visitiors” I have read each of the bills. My only consolation is that when the bills get implemented Lars and his friend will rue the day.

Or was it Frank Marshall Davis’ sperm? 


Or was it someone else?

PortiaElizabeth  I had to turn off C-Span when she was talking kept asking some friends if she was done…Thought she was only suppose to talk for a min.

I have to say I love Boehner’s speech in fact I have liked a lot of his stuff…
He seems to tell it like it is…could there be someone that is a real person in that mess of politicians

Actual vote for 219

Annenberg isn’t neutral. Anything they say is suspect.

I’ll be quite happy if the whippersnapper has to sell his shares!

BOOYAH!!!!!!!!! Suck on it, losers!!!!! 220-211!!!

Welcome to sanity.

I guess you didn’t see Laura Linney at last year’s Golden Globes calling the Founding Fathers “community organizers” then?
No, I am not making this up…

I’ll be quite happy if the whippersnapper has to see his shares!

They should not have shoved this shit down our throats.
============Or given it to us in a suppository form either. I am not sure ramming it down our throats describes it fairly. Nothing would make me happuier than that constitutional convention. Whatever comes from it, it can’t be worse that this. We don’t have a voice at all anymore. I just saw on the news in Tampa tonight the AG for Florida saying within the hour of this being signed into law, he will sue the federal government. He said it would wind up in the supreme court.

YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!

I love you Nancy Pelosi!!!!!

Weren’t you leaving? Go back to Ireland loser! Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!

Don’t need your permission loser! Yes we can! Yes we can!

LOSERS!!!!!!! Suck on it and tell me how it tastes!!! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!!!!!! 

I think we are losing it totally. We might go bankrupt as a nation. Because politicians are like tic-tac-toe playing chickens in that you could just as well predict with certainty that they will vote yes by pecking at the corn… This administration can pass anything they want now. Especially since the democrats in ofice already know that they are on the way out. They will want to leave with the most that they can get for themselves before then. I think it will be so severe that it could bankrupt us.

stupid question? You won, so why are you being a little shit? Truthfully I htink it’s because most liberal dems are some nasty people, and that’s even more of a reaston people shouldn’t let you anywhere near their personal life and health care. BUt let me warn you of something you little bastard, no body wanted this piece of tripe, but they past it anyway. YOu may drink out tears to day, but in November we are going to bath in you your blood, not just because we don’t agree with you, but because Obama supprters like you, have insulted us one too many times. Now take 2000 + page monstrocity they just passed, shove it up your a$$ and spin.

By the way if i met Obama I would tell him to kiss my black a$$.  I ‘m glad i could clear that up for you. Now come to think of it, I’m not sure how i feel about Obama, but I know one thing, I don’t like YOU! AS for Obama, that  freak is going to make Jimmy Carter look like one of the greatest presidents in american history.

220-211 loser.

Greek columns are perfect. This time go full out and wear the toga to go with it. And a fig leaf crown on his head. Biden, Reid and Nanzi should all be there in togas as well. He is their emperor after all. Maybe they could feed a couple of republicans to the lions… or maybe a couple of supreme court judges.

Never have I tasted tears so sweet and delicious!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! This is just too funny. You just show yourself to be a childish dumb-ass with this comment. Thanks for the entertainment.

PS The fight is not over. Many states are already working to nullify the insurance mandate. So suck on that, bot.

you were wrong about the number…you were wrong about the mood..and if you need any help in recognizing reality, i suggest you go over to the fb page of stupak’s opponent, benishek.  he has managed to have over 10,000 people sign up to support his campaign.  this afternoon, i believe he had about 400.

you are wrong. you are stupid.  and you’re an arrogant schmuck to continue to come to a place where you’re not wanted, not listened to, not believed, not logical, not reality based.

No time for losers…..

Yes daedalus, in this instance we’re all losers. WE’RE ALL LOSERS! 

At least, intelligent people understand this and realize what we’ve lost. But the true losers are people like daedalus who are so abysmally stupid that they don’t realize what they have lost, or perhaps never had, because they have no moral problem with being a parasite, and they are so pathetically lacking in self worth that they actually enjoy having a whole new government supplied source of hosts to feed on.

Better than yours, you loser.

You’re whistling past the graveyard, Ferd. Not only am I going to be proved right, I think you have no idea how thoroughly I’m going to be proved right. In the space of a year, Obama has stabilized the economy, prepared to withdraw from Iraq, made great strides in winning the war in Afghanistan, and now passed the most significant piece of social legislation in two generations. By this fall’s election, people all over the country will begin feeling the effects of this bill: 20 – 25 year olds who can stay on their parents’ insurance; parents with sick children who can’t lose their insurance; people with preexisting conditions who are protected; seniors who get supported from “donut hole” payments. And you’re still fantasizing that the public will reject this legislation and the Republicans will fight to repeal it?

Let me tell you how it’s going to be: the public will embrace this bill. The Republicans will change the subject. They’ll pick up some seats this fall, but nearly enough to retake either house of Congress. The economy will continue its slow, painful recovery. Reinvigorated Democrats will keep passing important legislation for the next two years. And Obama will coast to a landslide reelection in 2012, probably over Mitt Romney, and, with a little luck, wind up going down in history as not just a good but as a great president.  

I must admit, this is one sentiment I agree with: not that they are thugs, but that when it comes to Obama, the guy does not lose. 

Like, ever. 

Good luck in 2012. 

Hey daedalus. If we are teabaggers….that would make you the tebagge…….so open wide cupcake =-X

Nice link Harp.. Here’s a nice tidbit of that article :

“President Obama’s budget proposal would create bigger deficits every year of the next decade, with the gaps totaling $1.2 trillion more than his administration projects, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said this month. Publicly held debt will zoom to $20.3 trillion, or 90 percent of gross domestic product, by 2020, the CBO forecast.”

Wow. Just wow. That’s friggen insane…

Onofre’s arm, at this point, is it a fair question to ask if you icon is that of the opening scene from “2001 A Space Oddesy”?

I think your comment is spot on.

I’m in awe of your wide-ranging vocabulary.  Or perhaps your mental illness causes you to perseverate. 

I would suggest you not come back here sober and read what you wrote – because if you have an ounce of decency, you will be very ashamed of yourself and feel very embarrassed.

I’m wrong, huh? I got told that a lot on this site in 2008, when I argued that Barack Obama wasn’t incompetent, wasn’t unelectable, that Hillary Democrats by the millions wouldn’t abandon him, that Sarah Palin wasn’t going to help John McCain, and that McCain was a weak candidate who would get stomped by either Obama or Hillary in November.

I got quite a bit in 2008 how wrong and stupid I was. And I’ll get told a lot in 2010 how wrong and stupid I am for predicting that this bill would pass, that it will be popular, that its provisions will work, that the Republicans will NOT take either house of Congress this fall, and that Obama will be reelected in a landslide.

Oh, and that America will be left a much stronger, healthier, wealthier country because of his presidency.   

Sounds like deadalus has never had a victory in his own life so he has to celebrate vicariously.

Thank you! I will be donating!

Hah! Knew you and Lars were the same little pile of gnat shit. And do you know what’s more insignificant than gnat shit?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

How wierd is this – You can no longer say “It’s a Free Country!”. Because now, everyone has to pony up for health care, or pay a fine.

It is a wierd feeling, but temporary for a short time until the Supreme Court overturns this POS Bill.

It kind of like when I took a few weeks off between starting a new job after leaving another one. Technically I was unemployed for those weeks. That was wierd. I felt like I should hang out on the porch in a holely t-shirt drinking malt liquor.

But I played golf in Hawaii instead.

I know Obots will have a hard time relating. To having a job.

the IRS knows straight up who the majority of the illegals are Daisymae, they work with TAX ID’s.  They are registered with the IRS thats how they work in the US.  Sure some still have the invented social but thats old news, they have been working with ITINS for a long time.  Look it up.

“present” is the new work standard set forth by Obama.

LOL daldellus or whatever………. sounds like you were rubbing one out thinking of those hot sexy high fives…..mmmmm bet you went quick.

Was thinking the same thing.   Nancy’s due for a pendulum swing.

I’m kind of curious how the states will be handling the “Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act” some where around 40 states have filed, are filing or thinking about it.  Thats enough states to call for an “Article V Convention”

We haven’t had one of those in my life time that should make life interesting LOL

The article Health care freedom: Virginia first state to pass legislation http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100305/Health-care-freedom-Virginia-first-state-to-pass-legislation.aspx

Since when does adding another few trillion dollars to our deficit not make one think oh crap.  That is just what this bill is doing. 
 
With the CBO numbers, and the 250 billion doctor fix they didn’t add in its over a trillion dollars.(probably a few other hidden expenses in it too which the probably nicely forgot).
 
When was the last time you saw government $$$ numbers  that were right on or even with a few percentage points. Usually they end up being like only 20-30% of actual cost; thus we now have another few trillion dollars added to our already astronomical deficit.
 
When did you see such an astronomical bill have to have so much bribery, vote buying, and ???, not to mention so one party partisan. (oh I forgot over 10% of the Democrats voted no too…Why).

So, in the words of Cher to Nicolas Cage in the movie “Moonstruck”, “Snap out of it!”

And how exactly is it screwing insurance companies when we give them millions of new insureds paying them money?  They have a captive audience!  And those insureds who can’t afford to buy insurance on their own get financial help from the governement/tax payers which just adds more and more debt to an already in danger tax base and government.  

With Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid all seriously underfunded and on the verge of bankruptcy, why is it a great ideat to add trillions of more dollars to the debt? Do you think ANYONE who doesn’t have health insurance now will miraculously get to keep the coverage they supposedly get from this bill get when this country is bankrupt? No, they’ll be the first dropped since they don’t have any power and money. Doctor Smith will require cash payment or trade like the old days to provide treatment. He’s not going to take a longterm IOU  from the Government and give you a hip replacement or treat your high blood pressure for free.  Not when he needs the cash to pay his bills or feed his family. Pharmacies aren’t going to do it either.  So what does that mean?  Tax raises people – ON EVERYONE who has any sort of income be it from a job, investments, money in the bank earning interest, what’s left by Granny when she dies. 

The media this morning almost can’t report this. They have inserted the word “historic” into the word speak to the point that it is comical. If there was any doubt that the same people who write Obama’s speeches are writing for the media… well it is now gone. The same people have to be doing it. Notice how fast the media is dropping the “process” of passing this from the story. No, now it is simply “historic”. They are even talking about Immigration “reform” a bit to ease us into it. I guess “reform” means that there aren’t going to be borders anymore. I guess all of us middle class white people just don’t get it. 100 million new uneducated people who can’t speak English coming in is going to be good for us apparently. Who knew? I guess chickens for sale along main street sidewalks is a good thing apparently. Who knew? Welcome to New America. It isn’t anything like the old one. It is closer to Mumbai actually.

I weep for my countray.

Yes Teak, it is the manifest moment that the spark of reason inspired a hominid to break out of the instinctual restraints of behavioral predictability. He started thinking outside the box.

“does not lose..”. Because he uses all the dirty tricks he possibly can against his opponents, dating back from Alice Palmer to Ryan to Clinton. Except the one time that Bobby Rush saw through his empty suit and swatted him down like a fly.