Comments on: OPEN THREAD: Obama’s “Do or Die” [Update]

By: vanroth50

vanroth50 — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:51:15 +0000

“does not lose..”. Because he uses all the dirty tricks he possibly can against his opponents, dating back from Alice Palmer to Ryan to Clinton. Except the one time that Bobby Rush saw through his empty suit and swatted him down like a fly.

By: sybilll

sybilll — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:45:22 +0000

Thanks. That means a lot. Truly.

By: Onofre's arm

Onofre's arm — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:31:37 +0000

Yes Teak, it is the manifest moment that the spark of reason inspired a hominid to break out of the instinctual restraints of behavioral predictability. He started thinking outside the box.

By: Athena the Warrior

Athena the Warrior — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:53:23 +0000

Me! Even though my company right now is a start up, rather than hire over 50 employees someday, I will use technology to grow the business and keep the numbers to no more than 30 -40 employees.

By: dormantdem

dormantdem — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:05:55 +0000

I weep for my countray.

By: tango

tango — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:04:46 +0000

Do you think employers will start laying off people in preparation? The feeling being if this is repealed, then they might rehire people but they’d rather be employee lean starting right away to avoid as many tax increases as possible?

What about the stock market?

By: Docelder

Docelder — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:53:17 +0000

The media this morning almost can’t report this. They have inserted the word “historic” into the word speak to the point that it is comical. If there was any doubt that the same people who write Obama’s speeches are writing for the media… well it is now gone. The same people have to be doing it. Notice how fast the media is dropping the “process” of passing this from the story. No, now it is simply “historic”. They are even talking about Immigration “reform” a bit to ease us into it. I guess “reform” means that there aren’t going to be borders anymore. I guess all of us middle class white people just don’t get it. 100 million new uneducated people who can’t speak English coming in is going to be good for us apparently. Who knew? I guess chickens for sale along main street sidewalks is a good thing apparently. Who knew? Welcome to New America. It isn’t anything like the old one. It is closer to Mumbai actually.

By: kenoshamarge

kenoshamarge — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:47:52 +0000

I don’t think they are “true” Socialists either. I think they are statists.

But you say “pa tay to” and I say “pa tah to”, it still stinks.

By: tango

tango — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:00:25 +0000

And how exactly is it screwing insurance companies when we give them millions of new insureds paying them money? They have a captive audience! And those insureds who can’t afford to buy insurance on their own get financial help from the governement/tax payers which just adds more and more debt to an already in danger tax base and government.

With Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid all seriously underfunded and on the verge of bankruptcy, why is it a great ideat to add trillions of more dollars to the debt? Do you think ANYONE who doesn’t have health insurance now will miraculously get to keep the coverage they supposedly get from this bill get when this country is bankrupt? No, they’ll be the first dropped since they don’t have any power and money. Doctor Smith will require cash payment or trade like the old days to provide treatment. He’s not going to take a longterm IOU from the Government and give you a hip replacement or treat your high blood pressure for free. Not when he needs the cash to pay his bills or feed his family. Pharmacies aren’t going to do it either. So what does that mean? Tax raises people – ON EVERYONE who has any sort of income be it from a job, investments, money in the bank earning interest, what’s left by Granny when she dies.

By: tango

tango — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:45:48 +0000

I think even part time employees count. I was discussing it with my husband. We figured if we owned a business that had 45 employees and was growing, rather than hit the magic number of 50 employees and have to automatically offer then health insurance, we’d open a second business doing the same thing as the first and hire the additional people there.

So what’s to stop business owners from having numerous businesses with less than 50 employees all doing the same thing?

By: confused American

confused American — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:26:05 +0000

Since when does adding another few trillion dollars to our deficit not make one think oh crap. That is just what this bill is doing.

With the CBO numbers, and the 250 billion doctor fix they didn’t add in its over a trillion dollars.(probably a few other hidden expenses in it too which the probably nicely forgot).

When was the last time you saw government $$$ numbers that were right on or even with a few percentage points. Usually they end up being like only 20-30% of actual cost; thus we now have another few trillion dollars added to our already astronomical deficit.

When did you see such an astronomical bill have to have so much bribery, vote buying, and ???, not to mention so one party partisan. (oh I forgot over 10% of the Democrats voted no too…Why).

So, in the words of Cher to Nicolas Cage in the movie “Moonstruck”, “Snap out of it!”

By: Luigi

Luigi — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:03:15 +0000

Holy crap! What happened to this site?

Look, I felt Hillary got shafted by the Democratic Powers, much like you. But piling shit cake upon shit cake over the passage of a healthcare bill (yes, any national healthcare bill WILL do, mat this point)? What happened to you guys? When did the spaceship leave planet Earth and take you to HateObamaLandAtAllCosts?

For a bunch of seemingly clear thinking, independent people, you seem to have collectively dove off the cliff en masse. I think he’s something less than a great president as well, but come on, he’s better than the eight years of double digit shit that preceded him.

Yes, I wish HRC was president, but she’s not. So, in the words of Cher to Nicolas Cage in the movie “Moonstruck”, “Snap out of it!” This healthcare plan is just the beginning of something very good for many Americans. Stop the histrionics. Healthcare is very, very broke in this country (and very lousy). A major change is needed. The insurance companies need to go find another industry to screw.

All people in America deserve medical coverage.

By: confused American

confused American — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:18:29 +0000

I’m kind of curious how the states will be handling the “Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act” some where around 40 states have filed, are filing or thinking about it. Thats enough states to call for an “Article V Convention”

We haven’t had one of those in my life time that should make life interesting LOL

The article Health care freedom: Virginia first state to pass legislation http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100305/Health-care-freedom-Virginia-first-state-to-pass-legislation.aspx

By: Senneth

Senneth — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:13:12 +0000

I’m a former NOW state president. I stood up for both Hillary and Palin. While I supported the current NOW president, she too voted and campaigned for Obama. I hope she and all the other feminist leaders are very happy tonight.

By: BuzzLatte

BuzzLatte — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:08:01 +0000

Was thinking the same thing. Nancy’s due for a pendulum swing.