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“Inside The Pelosi Sausage Factory”

At this point, many of us have seen how our Congress “crafts” bills, and the machinations through which they go to accomplish them. The following article, Inside the Pelosi Sausage Factory; Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak sold his anti-abortion soul for a toothless executive order, does a great job of exploring the ins and outs of the recent “Health Care Bill.” Oh, yes, this is some “sausage”:

Last week Republican Rep. Mike Pence posted on his Facebook site that famous Schoolhouse Rock video titled “How a Bill Becomes a Law.” It’s clearly time for a remake.

Never before has the average American been treated to such a live-action view of the sordid politics necessary to push a deeply flawed bill to completion. It was dirty deals, open threats, broken promises and disregard for democracy that pulled ObamaCare to this point, and yesterday the same machinations pushed it across the finish line.

You could see it all coming a week ago, when New York Rep. Louise Slaughter let leak a breathtaking strategy whereby the House would not actually vote on the unpopular Senate bill. The House would instead vote on a “reconciliation” fix to that bill, and in the process “deem” the underlying legislation—with its Cornhusker kickbacks and Louisiana purchases—passed.

The Slaughter Solution was both blunt admission and warning. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not have 216 votes to pass the Senate bill, there never was going to be majority “support” for it, but they’d pass it anyway. The final days were a simple death watch, to see how the votes would be bought, bribed or bullied, and how many congressional rules gamed, to get the win.

President Obama flew to Pennsylvania (home to five wavering House Democrats), Missouri (three wavering), Ohio (eight), and Virginia (four) to hold rallies with small, supportive crowds. In four days, Mr. Obama held 64 meetings or calls with congressmen. The goal was to let undecideds know that the president had them in his crosshairs, that he still had pull with the base, and he’d use it against them. By Saturday the tactic had yielded yes votes from at least half the previously undecided members of those states.

Because, as I keep saying, this bill is ALL about Obama. And, what others can get out of him, apparently:

As for those who needed more persuasion: California Rep. Jim Costa bragged publicly that during his meeting in the Oval Office, he’d demanded the administration increase water to his Central Valley district. On Tuesday, Interior pushed up its announcement, giving the Central Valley farmers 25% of water supplies, rather than the expected 5% allocation. Mr. Costa, who denies there was a quid pro quo, on Saturday said he’d flip to a yes.

Florida Rep. Suzanne Kosmas (whose district is home to the Kennedy Space Center) admitted that in her own Thursday meeting with the president, she’d brought up the need for more NASA funding. On Friday she flipped to a yes. So watch the NASA budget.

Democrats inserted a new provision providing $100 million in extra Medicaid money for Tennessee. Retiring Tennessee Rep. Bart Gordon flipped to a yes vote on Thursday.

Outside heavies were enlisted to warn potential no votes that unions and other Democrats would run them out of Congress. Al Lawson, a Tallahassee liberal challenging Blue Dog Florida Rep. Allen Boyd in a primary, made Mr. Boyd’s previous no vote the centerpiece of his criticism. The SEIU threatened to yank financial support for New York’s Michael McMahon. The liberal Working Families Party said it would deny him a ballot line. Obama deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand vowed to challenge South Dakota Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin if she voted no. New York’s Scott Murphy was targeted as a part of a $1.3 million union-financed ad campaign to pressure him to flip. Moveon.Org spent another $36,000 on ads in his district and promised a primary. Messrs. Boyd and Murphy caved on Friday.

Ah, yes – one such union threatening representatives is the SEIU. I know, big surprise. They have formerly exposed their bullying tactics. Don’t forget, SEIU was created by the same man who created ACORN. Makes more sense now, right? Uh, yeah. But they aren’t the only ones coercing and threatening people:

All the while Mrs. Pelosi was desperately working to provide cover with a Congressional Budget Office score that would claim the bill “saved” money. To do it, Democrats threw in a further $66 billion in Medicare cuts and another $50 billion in taxes. Huzzah! In the day following the CBO score, about a half-dozen Democrats who had spent the past months complaining the bill already had too many taxes and Medicare cuts now said they were voting to reduce the deficit.

Even with all this, by Friday Mrs. Pelosi was dealing with a new problem: The rule changes and deals winning her votes were losing her votes, too. The public backlash against “deem and pass” gave several wary Democrats—such as Massachusetts’s Stephen Lynch and California’s Dennis Cardoza—a new excuse to vote no.

Mrs. Pelosi jettisoned deem and pass. Once-solid Democrat yes votes wanted their own concessions. Oregon’s Pete DeFazio threatened to lead a revolt unless changes were made to Medicare payments to benefit his state. On Saturday Mrs. Pelosi cut a deal to give 17 states additional Medicare money.

By the weekend, all the pressure and threats and bribes had left the speaker three to five votes short. Her remaining roadblock was those pro-life members who’d boxed themselves in on abortion, saying they would vote against the Senate bill unless it barred public funding of abortion. Mrs. Pelosi’s first instinct was to go around this bloc, getting the votes elsewhere. She couldn’t.

Into Saturday night, Michigan’s Bart Stupak and Mrs. Pelosi wrangled over options. The stalemate? Any change that gave Mr. Stupak what he wanted in law would lose votes from pro-choice members. The solution? Remove it from Congress altogether, having the president instead sign a meaningless executive order affirming that no public money should go to pay for abortions.

The order won’t change the Senate legal language—as pro-choice Democrats publicly crowed within minutes of the Stupak deal. Executive orders can be changed or eliminated on a whim. Pro-life groups condemned the order as the vote-getting ruse it was. Nevertheless, Mr. Stupak and several of his colleagues voted yes, paving the way to Mrs. Pelosi’s final vote tally of 219.

The worthless piece of paper promised by Obama was enough to sway Stupak, whom I have seen on tv more than just about anyone as he touted his “principles.” Right. One meaningless piece of paper with Obama’s signature was enough to sway this man – I think that speaks volumes about Stupak.

But the Democrats were not alone in creative interpretations of the rules:

Even in these waning minutes, Senate Democrats were playing their own games. Republicans announced they had found language in the House reconciliation bill that could doom this entire “fix” in the Senate. Since many House Democrats only agreed to vote for the Senate bill on promises that the sidecar reconciliation would pass, this was potentially a last-minute killer.

Senate Democrats handled it by deliberately refusing to meet with Republicans and the Senate parliamentarian to get a ruling, lest it be unfavorable and lose House votes. The dodge was a clear dereliction of duty, but Democrats figure the Senate parliamentarian won’t dare derail this process after ObamaCare passes. They are probably right.

So there you have it, folks: “How a Bill Becomes a Law,” at least in Obama-Pelosi land. Perhaps the most remarkable Democratic accomplishment this week was to make the process of passing ObamaCare as politically toxic as the bill itself.

President Obama was elected by millions of Americans attracted to his promise to change Washington politics. These were voters furious with earmarks, insider deals and a lack of transparency. They were the many Americans who, even before this week, held Congress in historic low esteem. They’ll remember this spectacle come November.
(Ms. Strassel writes the Journal’s weekly Potomac Watch column from Washington.)

Indeed. Not only are there plenty of earmarks, deals, etc., but Obama’s level of “transparency” is more of a joke than Bush’s. Obama’s White House has refused more FOIA requests than Bush did. Perhaps Obama is unclear on the definition of “transparency.” Sure.

Let’s return to the earmarks in the Health Care Bill. Given what we know about this bill (law?) and all of the payoffs, bribes, and threats used to get it passed, imagine my surprise when I heard Rep. Van Hollen’s claims below:

Can you believe this guy?? Clearly, he is one of the representatives who didn’t bother to read this bill. Now that’s some hubris there – get on national TeeVee and deny aspects of this bill that have been widely reported. Wow…

And in developing news, ACORN claims it will be closing its doors on April 1st this year. But not so fast – it may just be more smoke and mirrors where the local offices are concerned (big surprise). A name change might be all they are doing. Stay tuned…

  • My other site

    You ain’t seen nothin’ yet; wait til he starts pushing the amnesty bill through!  Oh, and eye witnesses are reporting that the illegals who marched in D. C. Sunday were demanding that CA & the Southwest be returned to Mexico, that the border be completely open, and that there be no limitation on Mexicans coming into the U.S. It seems these people are really more concerned about bolstering Mexico than they are about becoming Americans. 

  • )o(

    The ‘sausage factory’ used to be a ‘cupcake factory’ under this guy, but apparently you loved his cupcakes:

    …DeLay was known to “primary” Republicans who resisted his votes (i.e., to threaten to endorse and to support a Republican primary challenge to the disobedient representative), and, like many of his predecessors in Congress, used promises of future committee chairmanships to bargain for support among the rank-and-file members of the party.
    Employing a method known as “catch and release,” DeLay allowed centrist or moderately conservative Republicans to take turns voting against controversial bills. If a representative said that a bill was unpopular in his district, then DeLay would ask him to vote for it only if his vote were necessary for passage; if his vote were not needed, then the representative would be able to vote against the party without reprisal.
    In the 108th Congress, a preliminary Medicare vote passed 216-215, a vote on Head Start passed 217-216, a vote on school vouchers for Washington, D.C. passed 209-208, and “Fast track,” usually called “trade promotion authority”, passed by one vote as well. Both political supporters and opponents remarked on DeLay’s ability to sway the votes of his party, a method DeLay described as “growing the vote”.
    DeLay was also noted for involving lobbyists in the process of passing House bills. One lobbyist said, “I’ve had members pull me aside and ask me to talk to another member of Congress about a bill or amendment, but I’ve never been asked to work on a bill — at least like they are asking us to whip bills now.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLay

  • HARP

    Dingell: It will take a while for ObamaCare to “control the people”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/24/dingell-it-will-take-a-while-for-obamacare-to-control-the-people/

  • jbjd

    I don’t mean to be cryptic but, Tom DeLay might prove to be the unraveling of the Presidency of Barack Obama.  Meanwhile, there is this.

    Attorney General Abbott has indicated he will file a civil suit to challenge the Constitutionality of the just signed ‘Mandatory Purchase of Private Health Insurance’ bill, arguing it encroaches on states’ rights by violating the Commerce Clause. But for several months now, he has had at his disposal a tool that is both much quicker and cheaper to combat this law, as well as any other legislation originating up Mr. Obama’s sinister sleeve. That is, he could investigate the dozens of charges of election fraud the citizens of the great state of Texas have already filed with his office.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/open-letter-ag-abbott-tx/

  • HARP

    Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.
    Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.
    http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Health-Overhaul-Childrens/2010/03/24/id/353665

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Holy cow, HARP – so it is as bad as we thought it would be!!

  • PA Caucasian

    I heard that KAPUTS sold his vote contingent on a promise that one of the cute little airports would be named after him…but not spelled backwards AFAIK.

    Can anyone confirm this?

  • HARP

    Yep……and now I`m hearing American troops will be marching in Red Square for the May day parade.

  • PA Caucasian

    Tom deLay’s antics never saddled me with a mandate that I must purchase a consumer product under penalty of a $750.00 or jail.

    He was not instrumental in the passage of a bill that would limit my access to competent medical care  either. Many physicians are going to take early retirement or opt out of the system and take cash customers only.

    How’s that Hope and Change working out for you, honey?

    YES WE CAN chants Merck and Co. all the way to the taxpayer-funded bank.

  • )o(

    Confirmed!!!
    But you don’t know half of it:
    The ‘Lost and Found” department in that KAPUTS airport will actually be an abortion clinic !!, run by a Hamas doctor and illegal inmigrant Mexican nurses!! OMG!!!

  • Freedom Fighter

    Most of NQ community is pro-choice, so shouldn’t you be happy with Stupak’s decision?

  • )o(

    Confirmed!!!
    But you don’t know half of it:
    ‘Lost and Found’ in that KAPUTS Airport will actually be an undercover  ABORTION clinic!! ran by Hamas doctors and illegal immigrant Mexican mafia nurses!! OMG!!

  • Armymom

    Pro choice is just that, a choice. However, how to pay for it is entirely different, You want an abortion? Pay for it yourself!

  • getfitnow

    I don’t think he realized he spoke the ‘TRUTH.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK62MQ_OIEI&feature=player_embedded#

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    jbjd, our AG filed a suit on behalf of SC yesterday.  Should be interesting to see how this plays out!

  • getfitnow

     How many slips does it take to let us know exactly what is going on?

  • PortiaElizabeth

    jbjd — do you think it would do any good to write the TX AG urging him to do so?

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    DOH!

  • Freedom Fighter

    If doctors try to find loop holes, try to skirt the intentions of the law, or undermine it, I think President Obama and Congress can write laws to punish doctors who try to hurt Americans who need health care.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    ::snicker::

    Did an Obot just use Tom DeLay to defend Nancy Pelosi’s tactics?

  • jbjd

    R3A, this is a waste of voters’ time and money.

    SC AG McMaster gets the next open letter.  Do you suppose he would investigate charges of election fraud in the Palmetto State if, say, even 1,000 people filed the citizen complaint of election fraud?  Do you realize, the only person to write a statement of authentication for BO in SC, as required by law to get his name on the ballot, was the now former state D party Treasurer, Kathy Hensley?  And she only hand wrote the statement of eligibility because when she went to the Board of Election to drop off the list of candidates typed up by Carol Fowler, Chair of the state D party; the Board insisted, by law, they would also need the statement of eligibility.  http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/

  • Freedom Fighter

    But the purpose of the health care bill is to find way to pay health care for the 40+ million people who can’t afford it. Why would you exclude women from receiving free health care for abortions?

  • PortiaElizabeth

    That statement FF, is – hands down – the most inane thing you’ve ever typed here. You haven’t the vaguest notion how physicians practice medicine if you could even think such nonsense.

  • stodghie

    foo foo go take your meds

  • stodghie

    foo foo you have no idea who we really are and that is your worst nightmare. we are often former democrats who despise the current leadership, dirty dealing, theft and lies.

  • PA Caucasian

    REALLY???

    Wow you’re so intelligent.

    YES WE CAN chants Pfizer as they laugh all the way to the taxpayer-funded bank!

    And that includes your taxes too symbol-drone. (Oh wait, I forgot you’ve received a special exemption due to the diligent work you’ve done for The Corporate Demunist Party.)

    Nice work if you can get it.

  • PA Caucasian

    They’re really stretching.

    3…2..1…
    Countdown to the Race Card.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    Amy — thank you for this post extrapolating on what was done in order to force this heinous bill on us. I’m still feeling as if it’s a very bad dream that ends with me waking up to my cat licking my face and wanting breakfast.

    For my family, it won’t be such a hardship even though there’ll be major changes in our lives. We’ll survive. What wounds  the most is that I was against this bill for what it holds for the less advantaged, for the generations to come. I fought against the bill because I didn’t want to see the destruction of the American way of life that used to be the dream of half the world to achieve.

    When I first discovered Emily Dickinson’s poetry, I was captivated by this sentiment (please forgive me if the wording is not precise as it’s been awhile): 
    “If I can help one fainting robin to its nest again, I’ll not have lived in vain.”

    As sappy as it now sounds, I wanted to leave this world a little better for having been here. Now I wonder if that’s even possible. I apologize for sounding so negative, but since spring of 2008, it seems like we’re that young student standing alone in Tienanmen Square, and the Dems are the tanks.

  • PA Caucasian

    40+ million who can’t afford health insurance you say?

    Well it looks like they’re just SOL

    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/march/pro-single-payer-doctors-health-bill-leaves-23-million-uninsured

    The bill will cover approximately 7 million more people over the next nine years and leave over 100 million people under insured.

    Looks like you just got punked! (where’s Demi’s boytoy when you need him?)

  • jbjd

    PE, are you from Texas?  I have posted an open letter for AG Abbott.  Between the citizen complaint of election fraud against Boyd Richie, state D party Chair – did you know, he is the ONLY person who submitted a Certification of BO’s eligibility to get on the ballot in TX? – and the accompanying exhibit Roadmap of Election Fraud inTexas in the 2008 Presidential (Electors) Election; he has all of the information he needs to proceed on these complaints.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/roadmap-tx-election-fraud-2008/

    More than 100 Texans have already filed this complaint.  If the citizens of TX cannot even get the AG they already elected to enforce the ballot laws they already enacted…

  • HARP

    The mask is finally coming of the Democratic socialists:

    Durbin: Taxing capital just the cost of having the “America we want”

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I am a native Texan and I’ll be going home for a few days next month, so I could put something in the mail with a Texas postmark on it. If they’re sincere about stopping this nonsense, the AG should grab any means possible to do it.
    I’ve visited your site, but wasn’t thinking about this at the time. If the letter still up, I’ll do so. Thanks!

  • Freedom Fighter

    Haha former Democrats. Seems to me, the lot of you voted for McCain and Obama won easily anyway. With the youth vote, and the soon to be legal hispanic vote, you ex-Democrats have no impact what-so-ever. How ironic, the Hillary dead-enders and joining forces with the tea party dead-enders. Dead-enders unite!

  • getfitnow
  • Docelder

    Yep, I am already seeing the comarison between the “civil rights era” and some “health care era”. Gotta get those racial innuendos in there. Don’t waste the political capital from the color of your President.

  • Freedom Fighter

    So some rich people will be less insured than they are now. Big deal. We will have more people insured, and that’s all part of the spreading the health care around.

  • Docelder

    Yep, I am already seeing the comparison between the “civil rights era” and some “health care era”. Gotta get those racial innuendos in there. Don’t waste the political capital coming from the melanin skin content of your President.

  • HARP
  • Docelder

    Yep, I am already seeing the comparison between the “civil rights era” and some “health care era”. There are calls to lock arms and march in the streets so as to recreate the atmosphere in picture. Gotta get those racial innuendos in there. Don’t waste the political capital coming from the melanin skin content of your President.

  • Armymom

    It’s quite evident isn’t Portia, that most people don’t know shit about how physiciains practice medicine. Remember, O said that they cut off legs, take out tonsils and all sorts of baaaaaaaaad things. I say that the bots go to the trial lawyers and their socialists representatives here on out for any medical needs they might have. After all, they know SO much more about medicine than the doctors do. FF will be begging for a doctor to take him with this bill and he’ll gladly pay cash when it’s all over with. lol  Cha ching

  • Armymom

    lol :-D

  • Docelder

    So the reply will be if you aren’t for free abortion you are a right wing tea bagger. These guys are so predictable it hurts.

  • jbjd

    PE, great; but this could all be over by next month.  The leverage now is, before spending Texas money on a court case, just ask Boyd Richie one question!  (If you haven’t filed a complaint, download and file it!  And spread the word to your fellow Texans, who could pick up the phone right now – the number is on the post – to ask, what are you doing with my complaint!)

  • Docelder

    Loop holes? How do you loop hole when every cent you take in will be coming from an insurance company? hey only pay for what they pay for. You couldn’t loop hole them if you tried. They have a full time staff just to keep from having to pay for the things they are already supposed to pay for.

  • Docelder

    Loop holes? How do you loop hole when every cent you take in will be coming from an insurance company? They only pay for what they pay for. You couldn’t loop hole them if you tried. They have a full time staff just to keep from having to pay for the things they are already supposed to pay for.

  • Armymom

    Again, if they want an abortion, they can pay for it, not me. I know, you can, afterall, you seem to infer all the time that you’re more than financially well off. So I vote you pay for them. Just keep your grubby hands out of my pockets. No stealing! l

  • Docelder

    Yep, I am already seeing the comparison between the “civil rights era” and some “health care era”. There are calls to lock arms and march in the streets so as to recreate the atmosphere in picture. Gotta get those racial innuendos in there.

  • Armymom

    I guess we’ll have to see, wont we? :-D

  • Docelder

    So poor people deserve better insurance than middle income people? Do they also deserve better health care as well? Are they the chosen people or what?

  • Docelder

    A good part of the illegals voted last time anyway.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Switching channels yesterday I caught a brief segment on CNN and that Rick show…what’s more historic? ObamaCare or the 1965 Civil Rights Act, LOL.

    There you go folks. ObamCare is more important than Democracy itself.

  • Armymom

    Would some of those rich people be Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy’s, Rahm? Nay, didn’t think so. Just those that you DEEM rich. Now that’s rich!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    you’d rather we where hanging through one of those loop holes FF. The likes of you have hung us all out to dry.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    You’d rather we were all hanging through one of those loop holes FF. The likes of you have hung us all out to dry.

  • PA Caucasian

    Oh you mean all those rich people who depend on Medicare funded safety net hospitals for their treatment?

    The bill will drain about $40 billion from Medicare payments to safety-net hospitals, threatening the care of the tens of millions who will remain uninsured.

    You didn’t even read the link, did you FF?

    (I know, don’t bother you with the facts, you’re still on your Rationing Bill buzz.)

  • Docelder

    The media runs with the stories the white house press corps releases. This is the intro… an innocuous “What is more historic”? Then play film clips over and over of civil rights marches… people walking together arms locked together. Then film people marching for health care arm in arm, and arms locked together. The subliminal message will be that these two are the same. These guys are full of kabuki.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Health care reform is too important be to sabotaged by a few rightwing extremist doctors. Doctors have an oath to uphold, by trying to subvert the health care system, they are hurting the public health and violating their oath, they should have their licenses revoked.

  • PA Caucasian

    “soon to be legal Hispanic vote?”

    Are you racist or something, aren’t you aware there are millions of Hispanic citizens in the U.S. who don’t need a green card? ‘Cause they were like, y’know — born here?

    Freedom Fighter is a RAAAACIST

    And as for your timeline of “soon to be”…

    Let’s see…it took 0bamalosi over a year to get the Rationing Bill passed, even though the WH had made it Job One. And this only as a result of gangster-style arm-twisting and bribery on the part of the Speaker.

    You think they can fast-track an amnesty bill, after their political capital is spent – and have the law in place before November 2010?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    No many will simply not to stay in practice; strangely many have morals and will decide this way forward is not the way they deem healthcare to be offered. Welcome to long lines and medial mistakes when we are left with inexperienced doctors starting out in the world of medicine. Australia, New Zealand etc is probably looking good to many Dr’s right now!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    the only deadender here seems to be you FF!

  • Freedom Fighter

    PA Caucasian, I read the link, they want to remove profit from health care insurance. Rest assured, this is the goal of the Obama administration as well, the current health care reform is just but the first step in a long road to removing profit from health care delivery and insurance.

  • Olivia1998

    WORSE! If possible :’(

  • Armymom

    Doctors DO NOT have an oath to uphold the Government. They uphold their patients. With the restrictions on medicare/medicaid now, they are doing a great job of handling the masses without reimbursement. However, they do have to keep their doors open by paying for overhead. If they have to go with cash only to meet those needs, for the greater good of their patients, so be it. It’s called integrity, something in which you know nothing about. Again, get your butt to your nearest socialist representative to get your healthcare needs taken care of. I’m sure, since it seems that they know what is best, that they will gladly treat you. Red pill or blue pill, take your choice? lol

  • oowawa

    Portia wrote: “That statement FF, is – hands down – the most inane thing you’ve ever typed here.”

    I’m sorry, PortiaElizabeth, but I have to suggest an edit here: “That statement, FF, is among the most inane things you’ve ever typed here.”

    The present Freedom Fighter statement, though truly inane, faces extreme competition in the Inanity Derby from previous entries.

  • Olivia1998

    Why do you think Jessie Jackson Jr had a movie camera and was filming there famous walk.  It has this administration all over it.  They tried intimating the Tea Party into doing something so they could make them irrelevant in Nov 2010.  Why else would they 2 people filming that day?

  • PA Caucasian

    So…
    in order to remove profit, first you put a mandate in place that…

    INCREASES profits. So when does the increase become a decrease, exactly?  Let me guess: When the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars.

    Did you know the bill was written by the insurance lobby – how does that fit into the WH narrative of being for the little ol’ man on the street?

    (unless of course the little ol’ man in the street happens to be a racist redneck teabagger republican, in which case the little ol’ man in the street is a de facto Enemy of the State)

  • Armymom

    Removing profit? So Doctors are to work for free? Do you work for free? What gives you the right to say who gets paid and who doesn’t?

  • Buzzlatte

    Oh, of course, “rightwing extremist doctors”….that sounds like some fine marxist litany there comrade foo foo.

    The deep end is calling your name, FF.  Do yourself a favor.

  • Freedom Fighter

    By most estimates, there are 12 millions undocumented residents in the US, that’s enough for a permanent majority for decades to come.

    And as for political capital, since no Republicans voted for health care reform and the bill passed anyway, I don’t see why this can’t be done quickly for immigration reform.

  • Breeze

    You put it in such heartbreakingly beautiful way, Portia!

    I feel exactly the same, especially because I have two greatgrandaughters.

    I waited so long to come to this country since the Greatest Generation
    fought and died to liberate my country.  I finally made it in 1970 and
    they were the best years of my life.

    It breaks my heart to see this.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Not for free, but fairly compensated so the overall wealth can be more equally distributed to the rest of the public. There’s no reason why a plastic surgeon should make more than a teacher in an inner city public school.

  • Buzzlatte

    Not only race card, but “hater”, “rightwing extremist”, oh and that classic from Daedalus…”loser”.

    What’s happened to all the kumbayah, we are all one, and we are all neighbors helping neighbors schtick?

    People who are guilty will tell all sorts of stories to cover-up their ‘crime’.  We are going to hear all sorts of excuses and justifications and blame game stories in the next few days.  Don’t listen.

    The actions of Obama, his minions, the Democratic party, Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of the clown posse speak louder than any crap a bot could ever come up with to demoralize and demean.

  • Buzzlatte

    Yes, the gay and the black man. Apparently, those two were the only important to be filmed.  How convenient…

  • Armymom

    Are you kidding me? You compare a plastic surgeon, who BTW has an extremely high malpractice insurance rate, years more than a teacher in education loans, and they’re suppose to make the same as a teacher, who can’t teach? Yea, that’s some strong shit you’re on. I will admit that the plastic surgeon who’s working on Biden and Pelosi, got paid too much. He didn’t help them. lol

  • Buzzlatte

    Ah, another comrade commie FF statement.  The menace is here and it’s FF.

  • Buzzlatte

    We know the Dem tricks, FF.  Your crap is one of them.  You are just a shill.  Expendable.

  • getfitnow

    Insured does not equate ACCESS nor QUALITY CARE!

  • Armymom

    Wealth to be redistributed to those who didn’t work for it? Wow, I shouldn’t be surprised, Obama said the same thing. But how you can justify taking my wealth to give to some punk ass kid who didn’t make good decisions is beyond me.

    I say you redistribute the wealth of all the pro atheletes, Hollywood elistists and government workers before you take away the wealth of those who worked their asses off for years to raise a family, go to work and pay their taxes. You do that, then we’ll talk. Okey dokey?

  • Docelder

    Probably can be done now that the democrats played dirty to buy health care. A lot of democrats now have the dirt on them. It is called the mafia, by the way. Nothing new really. The only new thing is being governed by it.

  • Buzzlatte

    Yes, the gay and the black.  Apparently they were the only two important enough to be filmed.  How convenient…

  • Buzzlatte

    You really are a hater there, FF.  ”Big Deal”?  What happened to brotherly love?

  • Freedom Fighter

    PA Caucasian, in the interim, insurance companies are still needed. Insurance companies can’t operate without a profit, and we don’t know right now whether or not their profits will increase. Eventually when the government is ready to provide health care insurance, I am sure laws and be written to make private insurance unprofitable, and they will no longer exist. So, as I said before, the current health care reform is just the first step, you and I are on the same side.

  • Docelder

    FF, how many doctors do you know personally. I can guarantee you the famliy practitioners aren’t rich people. They do the most for the least and are the most unappreciated of all the doctors. I have seen so many of them wind up working in doc-in-the-box operations for $60 an hour. Think about that. There are a lot of nurses making $45 an hour. If they have a private practice they will have a monthly overhead of 20-30K a month just to be operable. Then  ppo insurance only pays about $30-40 a visit on average. How many do you think they can see a day? 40-50 maybe if they eat lunch in the office. Times $40 to be generous by the time it is collected and the insurance cuts some actually less. Multply that and subtract 20-30K expenses for the office and staff and a student loan payment. Thre are a lot of people making more than right wing doctors FF.

  • creeper

    If women must pay for their own abortions, why do men get Viagra covered?

    Double standard much?

  • tango

    Oh good. I’m all for punishing those who intentionally and willfully break the law but come on, you think chasing doctors who only accept cash payments for medical services is going to make more people want to go into medicine as a career?  Why get all worked up and hunt down some doctor because he refuses to accept more Medicare patients?  When did doctors become employees of the Federal government so can be told how to operate their practices?  Oh yah, I forgot, that’s on the way.

    God forbid my friend might spend 14 years in college (undergraduate, DDS degree, PA degree, MD degree then fellowships) and racked up around $150,000 dollars in student debt to only be told that he’s a bad guy for not accepting more Medicare/Medicaid patients. He’s a surgeon specializing in trauma facial and oral reconstruction and treats lots of victims of gunshots, beatings, car accidents, etc, who have NO insurance so I think he’s not exactly out screwing over the little folk.  For some reason, lots of gang bangers who get shot in drive bys don’t have insurance but guess what, he treats them for free because he knows that medicine is not all about money. But with a wife and 3 kids, he still needs to make enough to pay his house note which is getting harder and harder to do in todays economy.   As such, he’s decided that maybe he needs to give up the majority of his trauma surgery practice and concentrate on doing a lot more in the office dental care &/or go to full time teaching at the University (currently he teaches part time).

    Rather than chasing down doctors who aren’t willing to work 70 hours a week for half pay and increased paperwork, maybe someone in law enforcement ought to actually work on greatly reducing Medicare fraud.  

  • Armymom

    I do not think that Viagra should be covered, never did. You want to keep an erection? Pay for it. I shouldn’t have to pay for someone elses sexual problems.

  • Docelder

    I had a buddy practicing in a rural town. One day a mom brough in her teenager thrown off a horse into barbed wire fence. Cut all over. My buddy really didn’t think he should be stitching the kid up, but it was a long way to the hospital and there he was bleeding all over the office. So he put stitches all over the kid. Some also on the face. He told the mom take him to a plastic surgeon immediately, bacause the face is going to scar otherwise. She never did. He got sued because the kids face scarred.

  • Caspar, The Friendly Ghostwriter

    Love it!  The name “Stupak” will live on as a synonym for “fool”. 

    “Hey you!  Don’t gargle with nitroglycerin!  What are you, Stupak?”

  • tango

    You do realize that not for profit doesn’t mean that large premium increases won’t happen?  Just last year, Michigans Blue Cross/Blue Shield which is NON PROFIT and is highly regulated, asked for a 56% premium rate hike. They ended up getting 22%.  Also happened in Oregon and Rhode Island which are also highly regulated.  So the idea that if you have insurance with a non profit health insurer, it’s all easy street and low premiums is a bunch of BS.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/02/obama-administration-attacking-insurance-company-profits-lumps-in-some-non-profits.html 

  • Onofre’s arm

    It’s such a good find getfitnow, I hope you don’t mind that I’ve posted it in this format. This gets more attention.

    “….control the people.”??? This outrage of a bill was never about the general health of our country, it has always been about power, money, and control moving from the private sector to the New Dictatorship.

  • candymarl

    The powers that be are quite pleased with themselves. They may get the America “they” want but they might not like the end result.
    It seems that Gore Vidal was right. America is going to end up as a dictatorship.

    But before “they” get too comfortable perhaps a historical refresher is in order. Dictatorships usually eat their own – first.

  • tango

    And after made legal citizens, you do realize that about 7 million of them are so poor &/or of an certain age, they will qualify for Medicaid or Medicare?  That means extra money spent to pay for their health care.  But that’s ok, we can just raise taxes more, implement a VAT or just borrow from other countries to fund it. 

  • creeper

    Interesting…

    Rasmussen’s DTP is beginning to reflect results after passage of health care deform.  Despite widespread stories of an increase in Barry’s Gallup numbers, there was no bump in the RDTP today.  It stayed at -11…the same as yesterday. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    But fairly compensated???????? BUT fairly compensated
     
    Like hello!! HELLO…… I want a WELL TRAINED Dr, not Joe Blogs the car mechanic or Mr. Smith the science teacher operating on people who need surgery.
     
    WOW FF you need to seek some treatment & soon before you’re at the end of the line waiting for medical help.
     
     
    I cannot think straight, you come out with so much garbage.

  • Docelder

    Exactly so, and the “useful idiots” are among the first to get disillusioned and so they are the first to get it.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Good one, Caspar – LOL…

    HARP, thanks again for this – I’m using it in an upcoming post, with a H/t to you, of course!  :)

  • Buzzlatte

    The only bump in approval for little Barry O over his -22 last week is strictly from those that identify themselves as a DEM.  There has been no bumps in approval from the Independents and/or the GOP voters. (Rasmussen)

    There is only a slight – statistically insignificant- bump on Real Clear Politics.

    So that wave of good feelings about Barry O’s socialist takeover better show up today or it ain’t gonna happen.

  • Daisy Mae

    Those windshield wipers on your navel need replacement–you’re not seeing out clearly, worse than usual.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, OA – and I have added it to a post that will be up later.  I don’t think this can get enough play, do you?

  • HARP

     I`ll die standing and fighting rather than live kneeling.

  • )o(

    8-)

  • oowawa

    “rightwing extremist doctors”–You know, Buzzlatte, like Dr. Zhivago . . .

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Portia Elizabeth, I know exactly what you mean. I am just heartsick abt this bill and what it will mean, not to mention the more nefarious means by which it was passed as well as the more cynical reasons it was passed.  Our Congress is not supposed to be working to save a presidency – they are supposed to work for US.  They are not supposed to be giving away our liberty, they are supposed to fight for our liberty.  THey are not supposed to create a voting block through legislative means, they are supposed to EARN our votes (Rep. Steve King, R-IA, paraphrased – that video will be up later). 

    And yet, that is exactly what the “People’s Party” has done.  They have abdicated their responsibility, and have saddled our citizens with a horrible burden in this bill.  (Heck – you can’t even go out to eat in SF any more without having a HCB tax added to your tab.)

    I fear your concerns are justifiable, PE – and that is a sad state of affairs.

    Thank you for expressing your thoughts so beautifully…

  • oowawa

    Hey, I want to check out that deck–well I’ll be . . . 52 race cards!

  • oowawa

    “These guys are full of kabuki”–LOL–And the proof of this is the kabuki mask Nancy Pelosi is wearing . . .

  • Buzzlatte

    I think FF just revealed one of the fallacies that the DEM drum into their followers heads.  Everyone is better off than they are.  When I was a union member because I had no choice – it was a closed shop – that was the meme.  Doctors, lawyers, anyone with a professional degree was deemed fabulously wealthy by the union.

    I also have a degree, but the unions had infiltrated the educational profession and turned it into the nightmare it is today.  Affirmative Action let those who would otherwise be unfit into the profession.  
    The profession then just became a union shop.  

    The same thing will happen to doctors, if they do not stand up against this monster.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Oh My GOSH – did he just say that?

    Here’s the thing – people who make $200,000 are not RICH.  In man places they are firmly middle class.  But here’s the other thing – generally speaking, people’s bills are commensurate to their INCOME.  So if they are having to pay more in taxes to pay for this (horrible) plan, one which will not be benefitting them (in all likelihood), they are being forced to give up income that could have been invested, used for goods (thus helping the economy), etc.  Instead, this moeny is all being gathered into one place – the Federal Government.

  • iamcameo

    Has anyone ever looked at what deals were made by the Bush administration in order to get the votes needed to pass the drug bill or patriot act? I ask because I wonder if this is something new or something that has been going on by both parties and we were just unaware. And while I agree this is distasteful and something I really thought Obama would try to avoide, I’m curious  if it may just be something that is unavoidable in order to pass any large legislation without some type of reform to the way we get things done in this government.

  • oowawa

    I’m sure that Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods, Sean Penn, Steven Spielberg, Bill Gates, and James Cameron won’t mind sharing the wealth . . .

  • Onofre’s arm

    And one stinking Joker.

  • stodghie

    8-)  foo foo gets the “geez can you believe this” award for dumbest post of the day.

    keep it up foo foo, we need a good laugh.

  • getfitnow

    Thanks! I don’t know how to post the actual clip.

  • stodghie

    *DONT_KNOW*  now foo foo i just gave you an award for dumbest post of the day. see above! and there you go trying for double or nothing. i am trying to save some of that blue ribbon for obummer’s next press conference.

    but heck you work so hard to act like a dummy, i’ll go for it.  a new all time high. two awards for foo foo today. he works hard as our troll now doesn’t he? no raises though foo foo

  • Buzzlatte

    Ohhh, it will be that picture of Obama as the Joker with socialism underneath.

  • EWard

    Rev. Amy

    Great analysis of the Democrat treachery against the American people.  Leave it to the lap dog media to ignore bribery, backroom deals by Obama and Pelosi and focus on a smear campaign against the Tea Party protest on Saturday. 

    This HC plan is another nail in the coffin for a government takeover over another American industry.   Barky wants control over the student loan program along with banks, car companies, our salaries, HC, and now probably immigration.  This is why the American public is fed up and will vote these bums out of office.

  • trixta

    Doctors will just retire early or quit abruptly altogether, PP.  Will Obama force doctors to work?

  • trixta

    Yes, Docelder, and their parading around is so insulting to those who fought for civil rights!  But even worse, it’s a vicious slap on the face to women who fought for the right to choose.

  • PA Caucasian

    At the risk of totally surprising you, I believe that we are on the same side in the sense that we love our country and want to see everyone  cared for and prosperous.

    But I have to say  that much of your commentary seems to be based on a naievte born of lack of time spent on the earth plane, and “real world” experience thereon.

    I truly wish your eyes could be opened to how you are being played, how your idealism is being exploited and that you will come to understand that America as we know it could use some tweaking, but not wholesale transformation to the kind of country Hugo Chavez would be comfortable setting up shop.

  • Breeze

    THIS WILL NOT STAND

    No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday’s vote in the House on the healthcare bill.

    This is not the end of the fight. It is the beginning.

    The fight will continue in the Senate where Democrats will now try to pass a reconciliation bill filled with “fixes” to the healthcare bill passed Sunday. Republicans are committed to holding the Democrats accountable for their vote and making sure they do not abuse the reconciliation process.

    The fight will continue in the states where 38 of them have filed or are planning to file legislation that rebukes Obamacare’s “individual mandate” that requires you to purchase insurance even if you would rather pay directly for medical care. In addition, Attorneys General from several states plan to file lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the healthcare bill’s individual mandate.

    And most importantly, the fight will continue at the ballot box for the millions of Americans who refuse to be ignored. In the end, it is only by repudiating those politicians who voted for the health bill in free and fair elections that we can repeal this bill and start over on common sense, market-oriented, patient-centered health reform.

    CONTINUED BELOW:

  • trixta

    LOL!  This bill subsidizes the health insurance companies on the backs of the elderly, women, and the middle class. But keep drinking your kool-aid margaritas, FF, so that you won’t feel the pain later when HCR hits you in the face.

  • Breeze

    Defying the Will of the American People

    The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high-tax, Washington knows best, pro trial lawyer, centralized bureaucratic health system.

    In every recent poll, the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity.
    Sixty-six percent of Americans think the bill will make things worse or make no difference for themselves and their families (Gallup).

    Forty eight percent of Americans think the plan is a “bad idea.” Only 36 percent think it is a “good idea” (NBC/Wall Street Journal).

    Only 17 percent of Americans think the bill will cause healthcare costs to go down. Nearly double that think their costs would go up (Pew).

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.

    She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.

    Look at what happened with House Democrats Scott Murphy (N.Y.), John Boccieri (Ohio), and Brad Ellsworth (Ind.). The Center for Health Transformation commissioned surveys late last week specifically polling their constituents. We found deep and overwhelming opposition. In Rep. Boccieri’s district, his constituents opposed the bill by a 61-33 margin. For Rep. Ellsworth, it was even worse: 63 to 30 opposed.

    But all three congressmen ignored their constituents. All three chose Speaker Pelosi over their constituents.

    What we saw Sunday night was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.

    CONTINUED:

  • trixta

    You wont be singing same tune come November, FF. 

  • Breeze

    The Machine

    The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine has combined the radicalism of Saul Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield, Ill., and the machine power politics of Chicago.

    It is hard to imagine how much pressure they brought to bear on Congressman Bart Stupak to get him to accept a cynical, phony and possibly unconstitutional executive order on abortion. The ruthlessness and inhumanity of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine was most clearly on display in their public humiliation of Stupak when he was forced to speak out against a Republican effort to add the very language Stupak authored preventing taxpayer funding of abortion.

    Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings (who, while serving as a federal judge, was impeached and removed from the bench before being elected to the House) articulated the principles of this machine mentality on Sunday when he said, “There ain’t no rules here, we’re trying to accomplish something. . . .All this talk about rules. . . .When the deal goes down . . . we make ‘em up as we go along.”

    It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the Left are this bad.
    They are.

    The American People Will Not Allow a Corrupt Machine to Dictate Their Future
    On the floor Sunday night, Congressman John Boehner aptly summarized the consequences of voting for this bill:

    “If we pass this bill, there will be no turning back. It will be the last straw for the American people. And in a democracy, you can only ignore the will of the people for so long and get away with it. And if we defy the will of our fellow citizens and pass this bill, we are going to be held to account by those who have placed us in their trust.”

    2010 and 2012 will be among the most important elections in American history.
    These elections will allow us to save America from a leftwing machine of unparalleled corruption, arrogance, and cynicism.

    The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future.
    Together we will pledge to repeal this bill and start over on meaningful, effective, healthcare reform.

    Together we will prove that this will not stand.

    Your friend,

    Newt Gingrich’s Signature

    Newt Gingrich

  • HARP

    Krauthammer: Get ready for the VAT debate

  • HARP

    Exempted From Obamacare: Senior Staff Who Wrote the Bill

    http://newledger.com/2010/03/exempted-from-obamacare-senior-staff-who-wrote-the-bill/

  • ~~JustMe~~

    FF motto

    Share and Share alike

  • Buzzlatte

    “Share and share alike.  Whadda mean that means me, too?   I have to pay for something I don’t want, need, or can’t afford?  No, man, this is about everybody else.  Everyone else should have to pay.  I mean, everyone should be given things so that it’s all fair, but I didn’t think it meant , too!  What about Pelosi, the Dems, Obama!  What?  They are exempt!  WTF!”

    *FF’s conversation with the little voices of truth in his head.*

  • Buzzlatte

    Edit: …meant me, too!

  • jwrjr

    The term “teabagger” does seem to more accurately describe Obama, Pelousy, and the ObamacRats in Congress than it does the Tea Partiers.

  • jwrjr

    Good point.

  • FembotsForObama

    Actually, primary care physicians make far LESS than other doctor out there.  And yet, they are increasingly heaving the burden of patients.  Since most ins. policies have huge co-pays for emergency visits, they see more patients who need emergency care but don’t can’t shoulder the burden of the co-pay if they don’t stay in the hospital overnight.

    This bill does nothing to offset the major problem that primary care physicians need to deal with on a daily basis …. that’s the revolving door to Big Phrma. Drug reps are given unprecedented access and time demanded to primary care physicians, in short due to health insurance own policies, the primary care physicians usually have no say in this demand.  The offices are courted by BigPhrma and private practice from a primary care physician is rare these days.

    ObamaCare does nothing to offset these burdens.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    exactly!

  • FembotsForObama

    Armymom — just curious ..

    what do you think terminating an ectopic pregnancy is?

  • FembotsForObama

    “nd the soon to be legal hispanic vote,”

    Are Obots actually admitting that there was mass fraud in the election of Obama????

  • FembotsForObama

    No, they aren’t rich.  And with the new way that taxes will be assessed per the bill — our benefits will now be added to our overall gross income — all of our incomes will rise.  All these comments are doing is stimulating CLASS WARFARE.  
    I’m becoming more convinced that the Dem Party seeks to divide us versus whatever label it attaches to us via the political pollsters — AAs, Latinos, White women, NAs, soccer moms, etc.  It used to be the Repub Party that was pitting us against each other.  Now, I’m of the belief it is any party that takes corporate backing and allows lobbyists to write the bills.  

    IMO — we should have seen this occurring when the unions were split up.  It decreased the power of the union overall, because now you have coalitions to deflect one another.

  • FembotsForObama

    And, historically under dictatorships or fascist societies … women are turned into nothing more than baby-makers for the state.

  • PA Caucasian

    add to that list the Kennedys of Hyannisport and Mr. and Mrs. Teresa Heinz Kerry.

    That should be about all we’ll need for an equitable distribution to the No Quarter group.

  • Breeze

    Almost unanimous opinion on websites is that next they’ll go for Amnesty
    next, so that they can add millions of voters in Novembe 2010.

    ACORN and SEIU(?) members will make sure they will get to the polls.

    What say you?  How can we avert another (their) win?

  • Buzzlatte

    Yeah, apparently they’ll suck and bribe anything to promote their unwanted agenda of *wealth distribution.

    *wealth distribution meaning everyone else’s but theirs.  Obama can crew are exempt from the bill.  

  • Armymom

    I know what they are. And I have no problem with those particular pregnancies being covered under insurance. If it affects the life of the patient, they should be considered under medical emergencies and covered. My daughter had one and almost died from it. Quite different.

  • FembotsForObama

    iam, there always have been political maneuverings during the sausage-making…. politics is the art of compromise

    What is new here, is Obama’s bold proclamations that he would be the Transparent King, have the whole process on C-Span, and would personally ensure that there were waiting periods before bills were passed while every US citizen would have time to read the entire bill on the internet!!!  

    His lies were so grandiose and so blatant that inevitably anything Dems did would be considered gross.  

    And I agree.  We now have a Congress that is more concerned to ensure that Obama, himself, is made legitimate.  This is unprecedented!  And the Whiner-In-Chief assured this by his faux racism remarks, coupled with the complicity of the Corporate-dominated mainstream media.

  • FembotsForObama

    sorry, got cut off –
    “coupled with the complicity of the Corporate-dominated mainstream media … to repeat this we all hate him ’cause he’s Black meme ad infinitum.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I read yesterday that Repubs were trying to get erectile dysfunction meds for sex offenders removed from the bill.

  • tango

    Rightly or wrongly, do you think the millions of unemployed will welcome an amnesty bill that gives citizenship to even more people who will compete with them for jobs and benefits?  I think if this ends up being something passed against majority public opinion, it will be an ugly, ugly mess. Much worse than health care.

  • confused American

    We have the Senate tied up a bit…But many of the Republicans are for Amnesty.

    Was just thinking are these guys going to now see how much they can tear apart out country until Jan of next year…..

    They now know they have the power…

  • Boxer Mum 06

    That is what I so do not get… How in the world can CA be bankrupt? Are they not the mecca of all of Hollywood? Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc.. WHERE IS THE $$???

    They redistribute so much of their wealth, they are bankrupting themselves.. is this what we have to look forward to as a whole? What happens when the other states can’t cover for those states like CA?

    Oh and did anyone else catch Dick Durbin on Morning Joe today? He actually said that this healthcare bill is historic in that it is the largest middle class tax cut in the history of the country..

    Joe Scar almost jumped out of his seat.. he asked him to back up that statement and Durbin said the bill backs up his statement. Good Ole Mika just smiled like the cheshire cat and said.. he’s right! OMG! Joe said that was spin like no other and he can’t wait to see that talking point take off.

  • Buzzlatte

    I’ve made plans to move us into Tom Hanks’s pool house.  What could be better!  Top of the line everything!!  

    Pool, shelter, fine food and fine wines, no payments, no responsibility!  Hey no wonder the witless wonder bots find this ideal!!!

  • Armymom

    Isn’t it a sad statement that erectile dysfunction meds are even considered for sex offenders. I have a “prescription” for how to take care of sexual predators, at least of the male kind. :-D

  • Armymom

    Great catch…..if they’re soon to be “legal”, then he’s saying that they were illegal before when they voted.   Bots came be so dumb.

  • lizzy

    No need to subvert; just retire with their money bags to a lovely tropical isle with no worries.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    after hanks statement the other week his house should  be last on your list Buzz!

    Freeload down the block with someone you don’t mind rubbing shoulders with ;)  well at least a little.

  • Buzzlatte

    Nah, I want to be a constant reminder for Mr. Hanks that there are consequences to the stupid behavior and stupid talk.

    Actually, there’s a rock god I’d rather hang out with but the rest of my family doesn’t agree.   8-)

  • Docelder

    You could undo healthcare. You can’t undo immigration. They are doing this next because opposing it fits into the all encompassing racist angle. Don’t like new immigrants? Then you are a racist. Myself, I could give a damn what somebody else says or thinks at this point.

  • creeper

    Fembots, we haven’t seen much of you on here.  I hope that changes.

  • FembotsForObama

    OF course it is quite different.  However, technically it is still an abortion.  And as NOW had argued could be eliminated due to the slippery slope of banning medical procedures.  Obama’s EO is no different.

  • FembotsForObama

    Thanks creeper.  I used to post regularly way back; have been lurking a lot.  But have been trying to have a life.  Just cannot believe this ObamaCare crap and the convoluted reasoning of the Obots.  

  • Docelder

    Democrats like them because they vote for the free stuff. Republicans like them because they work for cheap. Most of us regulr people just wish they would enter legally and maybe learn the language. Not too much to ask is it?

  • Armymom

    I’m not going to argue over abortion. I, personally, was a person who believed in abortion, had one over 30 years ago and paid for it myself. However, I now have 3 grandchildren and one more on the way. I got to see my precious granddaughter in womb, 4 d echo at 12 weeks. So while I’ll respect anyone’s right to do what they want to do in this matter, I, personally, for me, no one else,  cannot believe in them anymore. I’ve seen too much to ever believe that it is a “mass of cells”. So I don’t want to pay for them anymore. It’s a personal choice. I would rather work with women who want to find agreeable areas on how women should be treated in the healthcare issues. We’ve changed so much as far as technology goes, yet women lag behind. Everything as been geared to how it “reacts” in a man.

  • getfitnow
  • Armymom

    I should also add that I could care less what NOW does. I don’t believe in them either. To me, they are hypocrites

  • creeper

    You didn’t mention manufacturing.  What?  Oh.  Never mind.

  • daedalus

    Loser!!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Plastic surgery isn’t covered by insurance.  Reconstructive plastic surgery generally is…unless it’s something as radical and elective as Pelousy’s facelift.  She has plenty of $$ to pay for Botox.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Could we lobby Cameron for some of his profits?

  • AnnieCarmel

    I couldn’t agree more, AM.  NOW hasn’t done much for women.  The East Coast Elitist women who started NOW can just sod off so far as I’m concerned. 

    My next grandchild is due in April.  I, too, see abortion differently these days.  You want one?  Pay for it yourself…in more ways than one.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Not sure how attractive it will be to live in the USA after it’s bankrupt.  Maybe Mexico will begin to look better to them.  In fact, some Americans are moving south.  I saw a House Hunters International show a few weeks back…a Marin divorcee and her daughter sold their house in Corte Madera to buy and renovate a house in an artists community…filled with American expats.  They could afford to pay cash for everything and still have plenty left over.  I guess if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

  • Docelder

    52 race card pickup. Damn I like it. We need to make those decks and profit like greedy capitalist pigs.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall when they talk privately?  Then we’d hear the real story of what they have in mind for the country rather than what they just let slip.

  • Docelder

    That one will be sold to replace the complicated IRS tax. Then… surprise you will just have hem both. These guys can’t help but to lie, players that they are.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Those are the Republicans conservatives are trying to replace.  Amnesty hardly matches the fiscal conservative policy they are promoting.  Sanctuary cities, lack of structure, flaunting the laws, all go with the socialist goal of lowering and breaking the standards of civil society.  This is the goal of the Left…crudeness, low morals, vulgar language, and no support for unifying language…they love it all.  This has been going on since the 60′s…and they finally got the one they were waiting for.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    And for the GAZILLIONITH time, that term is HOMOPHOBIC and offensive. 

    Why is it the so-called Progressives are the ones who continue to use these offensive terms???  Oh, yeah, right – they are also the ones spewing misoynisitic and sexist terms during the campaign, too.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Huh.  Maybe they shoulda read the damn thing.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I saw that, PE – it is just dumbfounding, isn’t it??  This is why Obama INSISTED that this bill get passed before the Easter recess, and we had more time to pour over this bill.  Because he, and the other Dems, knew we would go ballistic at some of the BS that’s in there.

    ED meds for sex offenders – WTH????

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I saw that one, too, AnnieCarmel.  I fear you are right abt the USA and bankruptcy, too, especially at the rate we are going now…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I’m with creeper – good to *see* you back again, and I completely understand your “trying to have a life.” :)    Still, I enjoy your comments, and am glad you are making them again!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, EWard, I appreciate that.

    It is staggering, isn’t it, what the Dems have given (sold) for this bill?  All to “save Obama’s presidency”??  Wow.

  • Breeze
  • Buzzlatte

    Does it have anything to do with Morphine? =-X

  • TeakWoodKite

    A co-worker used the term in . I asked him if he knew what it meant.

    No he said.

    So I explained it to him. I literally had to provide the graphic version for him to get it…..
    Makes you wonder.

  • Diana L. C.

    Actually, I might consider paying to abort any child that might have to endure FF as a parent. ;)  

  • Diana L. C.

    OMG, FF, you show your true colors all the time with your ridiculous comments.  Clearly you are a person who truly likes the idea of a Marxist state.  You are living under the mistaken notion that your loyalty will earn you a place in O’s vanguard.  I suggest you read a little about how most Marxist countries evolved and where you will most likely end up in such a society.  If you think you would be “helping” all those people soon to be made “legal” you will be surprised at how little their lives will change and, most likely, how much worse they will be.

  • Diana L. C.

    PE,

    My people left the Germany during the 18th century to settle in Russia under the request of Catherine the Great.  She needed farmers to feed the Russians, notoriously bad at that sort of thing.  They lived there for over 100 years, battled the Mongolian Hoards at first to keep the land in farming.  They made Russia the breadbasket of the world.  Then came the Bolsheviks who institued the concept of “factory farming,” by taking the well-run farms away.  It’s a long story, but most can look it up.  It was an absolute disaster. 

    My people again left a country and came here to a place they called the Good Stepmother (since Russia is always called Mother Russia).  The opportunity here was great for them and they were able to give their grandchildren (my generation) an amazing life.

    This happening to the U.S. just makes me terrified and enormously sad.

  • PA Caucasian

    Well you just touched on the Big Lie about abortion. We were sold on it by the NOW gang as a path to liberation.

    And instead it has enslaved many women to a lifetime of nagging thoughts about the child who might have been.

  • PA Caucasian

    Don’t know if it has been covered, I heard that the student loan “reform” includes forgiveness for those graduates who become -
    community organizers.

  • )o(

    “that term is HOMOPHOBIC and offensive.”
    Homophobic?
    How homophobic, like yelling ‘faggot’ to a member of Congress in the Capitol building?

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