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Obama “Adjusts” Ad Buys

“Follow the money,” is the famous advice from Deep Throat, Woodward and Bernstein’s key Watergate source. The Associated Press is reporting, in an article titled “Obama Adjusts Ad Strategy During Convention,” that Obama is pulling ads from certain Red States. The key word, of course, is “adjust.” This is a familiar euphemism for pulling ads from states where those ads cannot move the numbers, and the media advisers always say it’s temporary.

Barack Obama began scaling back TV advertising for the convention week, pulling ads in Republican strongholds in the South and Mountain West to concentrate on ad wars with rival John McCain in battleground states.

~ snip ~

Democratic and Republican officials familiar with Obama’s ad purchases said the campaign had decided to pull ads from Alaska, Indiana, Georgia, North Carolina, Montana and North Dakota during next week’s convention. Two Democratic officials, speaking not for attribution because they were not authorized to discuss ad strategy, said the campaign intends to return to those state airwaves the following week.

In 2004, Kerry’s team also attempted to change the map. They ran two biographical spots in states which they hoped to turn blue. Factcheck.org reported in May of that year that:

According to the Kerry campaign, the ads will appear in 19 battleground states: Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. The Associated Press said the buy was the largest so far by any candidate in the 2004 campaign, and would exceed the $17 million spent by Kerry since he wrapped up the Democratic nomination two months previously. Kerry strategist Tad Devine called it “the most ambitious media campaign in the history of presidential politics.” (emphasis added)

By Labor Day, Kerry had ceased ad buys in nearly all the Red States listed above:

Democrats all but wasted about $40 million by advertising in GOP-leaning states they had hoped to put in play before giving up – Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia. Still, buying airtime there forced Bush’s campaign to spend at least $25 million defending those states.

That $40 million would have probably made the difference for Kerry in Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, and perhaps moved the numbers in Missouri.

In addition to running ads in crimson Red States, Obama has squandered big money in Florida. Last week, The Huffington Post confidently proclaimed “Obama’s Florida Dominance: 9,785 More Ads.”

In Florida’s living rooms, the presidential contest so far has been a landslide — Barack Obama, 9,785; John McCain, zero….The Obama campaign has spent about $6.5 million on TV advertising in Florida, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group, a unit of media tracker TNS Media Intelligence. In part, the spending can be attributed to the Democrat’s late start there. He refrained from campaigning in Florida during the primary season after the Democratic Party penalized the state for holding its primary early.

Obama’s ads in Florida — and elsewhere as the A.P. article obliquely suggests — have been wasted dollars. Despite the onslaught in Florida, McCain is leading Obama in the Sunshine State. Floridians, it seems, have tired of intentional disenfranchisement, and Obama’s disingenuous letter asking for the state’s full seating at the DNC was just another example of Obama’s slickness. Charles Lemos writes:

(SUSA) has a new poll out today that shows McCain enjoying a comfortable six point margin. That margin is slightly more than Bush’s five point win in 2004. Not a bad place to be…Most polls heretofore have shown Florida as in the “leaning Democratic” or “slightly Democratic” column so these new polling results are either an outlier or suggest a shift in the race. Coupled with other polls, both nationwide and in individual states, the trend seems to be the latter. There is a discernible if nascent shift in the race. It is now increasingly evident that in the past fortnight despite the “glory that was Baghdad, the awe that was Berlin” that support for Obama has eroded.

Buried at the bottom of a long paragraph in the A.P. article was this gem of information:

Obama has already pulled ads in Miami, but there were conflicting reports on whether he planned to silence his ad presence in the rest of Florida.

It seems Obama is not the map-changer for which Dr. Dean had been planning.

  • Susan

    Well, it looks like the 50 state strategy isn’t working for Obama. Maybe he should try the 57 (58?) state strategy.

    • destardi

      Hey everyone…

      Informative post, Bud White..thanks.

      A little O/T, but I have to say that I am SOOOO RELIEVED HILLARY is not ANYWHERE near this trainwreck, and I thank God she isn’t the running mate.

      Whew.

      • lute

        It will be Clinton’s fault when he loses. The NYT is already blaming her.
        When she campaigned in FL for Obama, the NYT criticized her saying she wasn’t passionate enough.
        The paper should change its name to tongue coated with Soros chocolate.

        • Obama is a bum

          Clinton should come out and support McCain.

        • Hope Floats

          Everything is Clinton’s fault; she’s a woman. This was to be expected, especially with a candidate who points fingers as much as Obama does.

          • PKJAYNE

            He is lucky Hillary even campaigned for him while he was sitting on a beach. I am a bitter ole bitch that holds grudges.

            • derridog

              Me too. I would have gone to the Bahamas.

          • JayD

            I knew Clinton would get blamed for Obama’s failures long ago. My mother always told me: “If the cat had kittens, I’d get blamed for it.” As a man, I could not agree more that little boys blame women for not doing backflips for them. How said is that? When a guy cannot take responsiblity for himself, it is time for him to dig a hole, crawl in it and never come out again.

            • lusitania

              I agree with you all 100 percent. Nothing she could possibly do will ever be enough. That’s why it is going to be up to us to just bide our time till 2012,not by sitting still but by watching her back and preparing for the next primary. Okay, she might not be the 44th POTUS, but why can’t she be # 45. We will need her more than ever by then.

      • Peggy Sue

        I absolutely agree. HRC needs to be miles from the trainwreck when it happens. And even then there will be pointing fingers. I was completely relieved when it was clear she would not be a veep consideration. For me, as a solid Hillary Clinton supporter, I would have had the unpleasant decision to vote against someone I have always admired because of an unfortunate vice-presidential placement.

        It’s bad enough that Joe Biden is in the veep position because I like and admire Biden’s long and distinguished record in the Senate.

        Tell me ain’t so Joe!

        But, of course, it is so. And I will vote against Joe Biden because I feel so strongly that Barack Obama would be a disaster as president.

        McCain will get my vote though I cannot say I’m thrilled with that reality. But the truth is, veep selections do not and will not the move the electorate by much. I do not trust Obama. I do not think he has the gravitas necessary for POTUS. And though I like and admire Joe Biden, it’s not enough. Not nearly enough.

        • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

          You’re going to learn some things about Biden that will change your opinion of him.

        • Steve1

          Biden is a dirty political hack, a Dupont controlled crook.

        • lusitania

          Hillary in “08. If not, then McCain it will be.
          Country before Party. Always.

  • http://www.stateofdisbelief.wordpress.com stateofdisbelief

    So it looks like this guy dave has written the perfect PUMA song to sing in Denver. Especially for us “bitter” swing state voters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6z_06dbWug&feature=related

    • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

      I wouldn’t sing it in public, but I agree with every word.

  • Kelvin Hearts PUMAs

    Don’t hate, appreciate.

    • It’s Not Me

      Who hates? BO supporters do! I’ve never seen so much hatred as that slung at Hillary and her supporters by the BO cultists. Hypocrite.

  • Ted

    Blah, blah, blah. He runs ad. That’s bad. He pulls ads. That’s bad. He inhales, that’s bad. He exhales, that’s bad. A riveting piece of political reporting this is not.

    • Ferdberfle

      Stop whining, Tedly. You’re always free to leave.

      • Pink Panther

        Ted,
        If you don’t like what you read here, leave and “go back from whence ye came.”

        • AliasJohnDoe

          Poor Ted knows his ship is sinking…..waaaaaaa.

          • Northwest rain

            But the rats keep clinging to that sinking ship.

            How much more more will the sucker trolls take and when do the checks start bouncing?

            From here on out WE can watch the train wreck from the sidelines.

            Soetoro & Biden are THEIR problem.

            PUMA

    • beebop

      SUSA) has a new poll out today that shows McCain enjoying a comfortable six point margin. That margin is slightly more than Bush’s five point win in 2004.

      Imagine what McCain would be doing to Soretoes if the sitting governor was his brother?

      hahahahahahahahahahahaha

      Maybe the other 7 (or is it 8?) states can make up the differnce ….. hahahahaha

    • vinnie

      and he will NOT win Colorado. you can bet on it!

      • beebop

        Especially after an up close and personal look at his cult followers, do ya’ think?

        • lute

          Wait till Biden winds up his tongue. They’ll vote for him to shut him up!

    • Obama is a bum

      You’re right, Obama is a disaster — if this were a fight they would stop it and declare McCain president.

    • Tuppence 411

      The point TED is that we here at NQ never fell for the fairytale that Obama was going to change the map. We all knew it was a joke the minute we heard it. You Obot fools are the ones who fell for it. Sending him $5 and $10 to turn CO and KS blue LMAO!
      Sucker born everyday.

    • bemused

      Silly, we are not saying it is “bad.” We are saying it is reality, BO/BS will never win those states, so he’s not wasting any more ad money on them. You are trying to fog the argument.

      • Northwest rain

        Interesting — some of those are the states that Soetoro use to gain his “delegates” by gaming the caucuses.

        Will this be the pattern of future primaries? Game the red state caucuses for delegates and claim “victory”?

    • Hope Floats

      I think it’s extremely interesting that Obama with all his non-public campaign financing was supposed to be able to force McCain to compete in states that he normally wouldn’t have to. To which, Karl Rove replied that a bluff, in order to be effective, must be credible. Now we know the 50 state strategy was a ruse. It’s the Kerry states plus one. And like Kerry, Obama is pulling ads, because he is not carrying as competitive an edge as he had hoped. Like when he outspent Clinton 3 to 1 and lost, he can look forward to the same hurdles with McCain in states where he is already losing and after he has begun to implode.

      • FranSC

        Dean’s 50-State Strategy caused a serious rift between James Carville and Dean with Carville saying it would not work. James Carville said at the time that Dean needed to be removed as Chairman of the DNC. Boy, was Carville ever right! Saw James yesterday on CNN and he looked like he was at a wake. I’m sure he feels being proven right is not worth Hillary losing this nomination through a rigged nominating process. I suspect the “Caucus Strategy” was Dean’s idea as well – the agent of change.

        • http://www.stateofdisbelief.wordpress.com stateofdisbelief

          Please get it right….it’s the 57 state strategy!

      • s. hall

        McCain will sweep the southern states which the AA voters were supposed to give Obama. Included in the southern state sweep is Florida. So the Dems who would have won Florida with Hillary will lose Florida with Obama. Bet someone wishes they hadn’t said the base could stay home because they could win without us — huh Howard huh?

    • Peggy Sue

      You’re right. Ted. It’s bad for the country. And it’s bad for the Democratic Party that is imploding before our eyes.

      Open your eyes. And maybe you’ll see it!

    • FranSC

      You are starting to get it, Ted. When your disdain, disrespect, and anger reaches the levels you see here, there is nothing that can be done. And the best part is we are democrats saying this! Imagine how the repubs see him.

    • elise

      Ted, you have changed. Your thought processes have suffered and your disposition has turned surly. A friend from FL. was visiting yesterday and I have to tell you, he is very angry. He will vote McCain in this election and he said it was the last time he plans to vote. Ever. He has lost faith in the Democratic Party, like so many of us. McCain will win FL and he will win Co (my state). There was so much excitement before the caucuses and I have felt a change in the wind, not just in the presidential election. Now a Republican who has been known as a loser for years is ahead of Mark Udall in the polls. Just FYI, Udall is a well known name in the Party and everyone thought he was a sure thing in Nov. It is so sad and heartbreaking. Hillary and Bill Clinton will walk away from this convention the winners. Hermann Goering was wrong. A majority of voters in this country will not believe the “big lie” this time.

      • Rocky Mountain High

        Elise, I’m in CO too, and I have shifted away from Udall, eventhough I voted for him for years now as my congressman. What is it about the Democrats lately? The only thing they seem to be good at is losing elections they are suppose to win. BO’s choice of Biden instead of HIllary will surely split the party, there can never be unity now, and anyone who thinks 4 days of partying in downtown Denver is enough to heal the fissure is in denial. This kind of wound will take much more time and energy than that, I mean we’re talking about women here. But this just shows how incredibly sexist Obama is. His recent attack ad against Cindy McCain is not only in poor taste, but totally hypocritical, when Obama made it very clear wives should be off limit. But worse than that, he is mocking someone who has achieved the American Dream. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy, abundance is our natural state of being, what people need is to appreciate and awaken to that more, and make America wealthy again. Obama is a Marxist, pehaps he should use his Indonesian Passport and travel to South America or Africa and take over one of those nations? Obama is dangerous for America, and now he could never win the election by cozying up with Biden. He has just alienated 18 million voters. Just another of Obama’s poor decisions, which is a consistent pattern that shows how he lacks good judgment.

        • elise

          RMH, can you believe what’s happend with Udall? I never gave Schaffer a second thought because I thought this was a no-brainer.

  • dg

    It’s fun to select just one side of the story without including the other:

    <>

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

    • vinnie

      wow, and it’s from msnbc too!

      • Hope Floats

        HAHAHA. Now that the Olympics are over, they can go back to their suck-ass ratings along with their favorite candidate.

    • Obama is a bum

      msnbc is trash journalism.

      • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

        It isn’t a journalism network. They have as much news/journalism as your local networks, but MSNBC is entertainment punditry. They are opinion only and should never be given a journalism label for what they do.

        Journalism reports what really did happen without slant or opinion. We are sorely lacking for this in our country right now, but we can’t accept this faulty replacement!

      • JayD

        MSNBC and CNN are TV tabloids. Blood, guts, gore, fires, train wrecks, galore. Floods, pestilance, toilet foot tappings, and blow jobs, flood across our TV screens. But if you want investiagive reporting, turn your TV off and read something.

        • dg

          “But if you want investiagive reporting, turn your TV off and read something.”

          What in heavens does “investigative reporting” have to do with this?

          Please, continue to dismiss information that inconveniently rebuts whatever daily fiction is being spread in here. That’s certainly your choice, go nuts.

          But try not to be so shocked when those “disappearing” ad buys suddenly show up again after the convention.

    • FranSC

      Oh, please, dg. No wonder you are confused if your information is coming from FirstRead. I defy you to find ONE MSNBC or FirstRead reporter or anchor who is ‘neutral’ on the candidates or does unbiased reporting.

      At least for the ge they have repub strategists supporting McCain. In the primary there was never anyone on there that did anything but trash Hillary and then they would fly in on Bill.

      They would often have two democratic strategists on at the same time and BOTH supported BO. That dem strategist, Laura Schwartz was a prime example. When they would have a repub and dem strategist on during the primary, the repub would take BO’s side against Hillary. When I occasionally turn to MSNBC
      at least the AA repubs are strong supporters of McCain now. In the primary, they spoke so favorably of BO, you had to wonder who they really would vote for.

      So, dg don’t offer that FirstRead website as some kind of truth squad to straighten this group out. We’ve been there and done that and reject their bias.

      • dg

        “So, dg don’t offer that FirstRead website as some kind of truth squad to straighten this group out. We’ve been there and done that and reject their bias.”

        Please explain the “bias” of reporting what the Obama campaign said.

        All I see here in everyone’s response is an attack on the messenger rather than the information relayed to it. I’ve yet to see anyone actually address the substance.

    • Ms J in FL

      dg:
      Oblabla isn’t bringing in the quality trolls like before. what are they paying you guys from Camp Obama now, min wage? does your mommy know yer on the internets?

      • dg

        “does your mommy know yer on the internets?” (Ms. J)

        My “mommy” died of cancer in 1990, Ms. J. Thanks for once again stooping to the childishly personal.

        Get back to me after you decide to converse with folks who don’t agree with you as people worthy of the respect you’d like to be accorded yourself.

        • s. hall

          dg — perhaps you could ask your Boss how he’s going to win without the 18 Million Hillary supporters? That was a real boneheaded move to diss the voters like that.

          • dg

            My boss? If you’re presuming I work for Obama, you’re mistaken.

            Will Obama get all of Sen. Clinton’s near-18 million supporters? Unlikely. Are you claiming that he’ll get _zero_ Hillary supporters? If so, I think that’s delusional.

            Quinnipiac, August 19:

            “…Obama leads 53 – 39 percent among women, compared to 55 – 36 percent last month…”

            http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1204

            • JozefAL

              You seem to forget that among “women” is a strange sub-category known as “African-American women” who, quite likely, make up the vast majority of Obama’s female support. Presuming that Obama gets the same level of support among African-American women that he got in the primaries/caucuses, I’d say that Obama’s support among WHITE women is about on par with McCain. African-Americans make up roughly 13% of the total population; AAs were 90% for Obama in the primaries; 13% of 90–or 90% of 13–comes to 11.7. And, even rounding down, 11 from 53 is 42.
              Then, too, you might want to note that support among women in general is DOWN (that little “compared to 55 – 36 percent last month” is there for a reason). That is NOT a good sign (especially as McCain’s support actually INCREASED more than Obama’s decreased).

              • dg

                Poll of women voters, Reuters article from August 5, 2008:

                http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0532505820080805

                “The poll, commissioned by Lifetime Network as part of its “Every Woman Counts” campaign to engage women in politics, showed Obama leading McCain by 49 percent to 38 percent.”

                [snip]

                “Asked who they planned to vote for in November, Obama led in all age groups except the over-65s, where McCain led by 46 percent to 37 percent. Women were split on racial lines, with blacks picking Obama by 89 percent to 4 percent and Hispanics by 62 percent to 21 percent. White women favored McCain by 47 percent to 38 percent.”

                [snip]

                “Asked who they voted for in the primary elections or caucus, 29 percent said they voted for Obama, 15 percent for McCain and 21 percent for Clinton, who would have been the first woman president of the United States.

                “Of those who voted for Clinton, 76 percent said they would vote for Obama while 18 percent would vote for McCain.”

                [end cite]

                That sink in yet? “Of those [women] who voted for Clinton, 76 percent said they would vote for Obama while 18 percent would vote for McCain.”

                Let’s compare the overall women’s vote 2008 today and 2004, early September:

                2008: Obama 49, McCain 38

                2004, early September: Bush 48, Kerry 43

                http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/20/politics/campaign/20women.html

                By mid-October 2004: Kerry 50, Bush 40

                Kerry had turned the woman vote around in a month and a half, as the Democrats came home. With Obama already picking up 76% of Clinton’s women voters, he’s already ahead of the game.

                Let’s see what the polls say in mid-October ’08.

        • stodghie

          ok hokey dokey, you are still acting the fool.

    • elise

      dg, MSNBC always gives just one side of the story. Their ratings are just one point above the Butterfly Channel and in January, there will be some changes made. They call themselves a News Network. If you want to hear your side, why not go on back to Huffpo or kos. Of course, that’s just my opinion. You can hang around here if you want. I don’t have any problem with any one expressing their opinion, but you and Tom seem a little strung out and cranky.

  • dg

    Once more, this time with the quote:

    … the McCain campaign yesterday furiously pounced on a report that Team Obama was pulling its advertising in red states — like Alaska, Indiana, Montana, North Carolina, and North Dakota — suggesting that the Obama camp was abandoning its (almost) 50-state strategy. But as Lee Corso might say, “Not so fast, my friend.” A senior Obama campaign source told First Read that the campaign wasn’t planning to be on TV next week during their convention, but the McCain is up with negative spots in 11 states, and they wanted to match them in those 11 (which doesn’t include any of those ruby-red states). Moreover, the source assures us that the campaign will resume its larger TV buy once the convention ends.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

    • Obama is a bum

      Do you think anyone actually cares about msnbc?

      • dg

        “Do you think anyone actually cares about msnbc?”

        Dismissing the messenger doesn’t refute the information.

        • JayD

          It refutes the information if your legs tingle at the sound of BHO’s voice.

          • dg

            “It refutes the information if your legs tingle at the sound of BHO’s voice.”

            Wow — quite the rebuttal.

            • JayD

              Oh please, you are the kind of person that believes you are eating chocolate when being fed bullshit. Enjoy your meals from MSNBC, okay?

            • FranSC

              dg, do you not know ‘the tingle in the leg’
              comment by JayD was in reference to Chris Matthews saying a thrill ran up his leg (on YouTube) on hearing one of BO’s speeches. Any news organization that would not fire a reporter/anchor for such a comment does not deserve to be called news organ.

              • dg

                “dg, do you not know ‘the tingle in the leg’”

                I know precisely the reference, thanks. I ain’t Chris Matthews.

            • s. hall

              dg — get real Obama is not qualified to be President. He may not even be eligible to be President. He is a political hack running with another political hack. He has never accomplished anything in his life and now he thinks God sent him to be President. Its laughable.

              • dg

                The “political hack” beat the massive Clinton machine, which couldn’t manage its own finances, ending up over $20 million in debt.

                Oh right, I forgot — he “cheated” by somehow convincing Clinton’s strategists to ignore the February caucus states. What was I thinking.

                As to his eligibility, good luck with that; also with the fictitious “whitey” tape. And the claimed $6- to -10 million fundraising. And the tens who showed up at the ultra-hyped DC PUMA convention.

                Curious how many here actually went to that disaster.

                • StrawberrybitesBarky

                  You can tell when an Obamabit has lost an argument, they bring up the republicans’ whitey tape and blame Larry.

                  • dg

                    “You can tell when an Obamabit has lost an argument, they bring up the republicans’ whitey tape and blame Larry.”

                    An alleged tape that was the rage in here for weeks. Funny that it still hasn’t shown up. Why is that?

                    Oh, right — “just wait — they’re holding on to it and will release it right before the convention. No, make it right after the convention. Wait — let’s make it a week before the election. Damn! How about December? That’ll show ‘em.”

                • Chicago Joe

                  When the truth comes out about BHO’s illegal overseas contributions and from the phony donors with nonsense names, I hope he does some time.

        • Steve1

          And you believe in that shit they call news! Foolish one, just like your false messiah.

    • sowsear

      Funny how BO can cancel next week’s ads in select states at this time but couldn’t do it during the primaries in Florida, had to let those suckers run, didn’t really campaign there. Uh huh!

      • beebop

        snap!

    • beverly leslie

      OH FLUCKING YES, I BELIEVE WHATEVER THE FLUCK MSNBC ALSO KNOWN AS IN THE TANK FOR BAMBI AND THE MYSOGINST NEWS NETWORK. Face it BOT bambi’s ship is sinking. BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAA

      • PKJAYNE

        I love Beverly Leslie……..great screen name!

    • Hope Floats

      Surprise! Republicans are running negative ads. Obama has been talking about it for weeks now. “Boo hoo they’re going to call me a scary black man and say I am a radical terrorist lover.” So, why does he have to pull ads? It sounds like no one is buying his snake oil.

    • elise

      Are they on a tight budget, dg? Are you sure they aren’t giving up on those states? I just don’t get the logic at MSNBC, but it’s not the first time. I heard KO said Obama has a secret plan with his FISA vote. My sister and I had a secret plan to dig to China years ago, but then we had to go in to dinner. The thing is, our plan was so secret we didn’t tell anyone. I wonder, if you have a plan that’s a secret and you tell someone about it, is it still a secret? Maybe the secret plan had something to do with Mathews leg tingle problem?

  • http://deleted OBSP

    I though he was going to change Georgia and NC Blue. What happended? And now that Bill Richardson has joined the clowns under the bus, what about NM?

    • Hope Floats

      Nobody likes a rat. Richardson is road kill now.

      • PKJAYNE

        SNICKER

      • Donkey Brazziere

        La grasa de rata en el marco del autobús. :)

  • Hope

    On the contrary Ted.
    I find it riveting any time Barry slides in any poll, don’t you?

    • dg

      “I find it riveting any time Barry slides in any poll, don’t you?” (Hope)

      Today’s Rasmussen:
      Without leaners:
      Obama 45 (unchanged from yesterday), McCain 42 (43 yesterday)

      With leaners:
      Obama 48 (47 yesterday), McCain 46 (unchanged)

      Today’s Gallup:
      Obama 46 (45 yesterday), McCain 44 (unchanged)

      Let’s see — Obama gains in both polls. Quite a slide.

      The Biden pick won’t be fully reflected in either poll until Tuesday.

      • http://deleted OBSP

        There is always a bump in polls prior to any convention because that all that’s shown on the news. He will be way up after his speech, get your depends ready because I figure a guy like you will pee in your pants. But, after labor day the real numbers come in and you will need those depends to catch your tears

        • beebop

          Oh no. You won’t need to wait that long. Between (someone posted it earlier so I am not doing a BoJo) Smug and Plugs there will be too many of those little gaffes that keep on giving. The RNC just has to run their cameras and run the “I’m JSM tag” at the end and it is on to the network within 5 … 4 … 3 … 2 … 1 … blowback!

        • dg

          “There is always a bump in polls prior to any convention because that all that’s shown on the news”

          My point is that Obama isn’t “sliding” in the polls. Indeed, he’s risen, if slightly, and this is before Biden was selected.

          “He will be way up after his speech, get your depends ready because I figure a guy like you will pee in your pants.”

          I see that there appears to be an innate inability to have a discussion in here without PUMA supporters resorting in juvenile insults.

          • http://deleted OBSP

            Now why would you think that you would not be insulted?

            • dg

              “Now why would you think that you would not be insulted?”

              A belief that most folks with passionate political convictions are decent to the core and wouldn’t dare behave like this if they couldn’t hide anonymously behind their computer keyboards.

              Of course, I could be wrong about that.

              But it sure would be a welcome change to carry on a back-and-forth without the ridiculously infantile personal attacks.

              • bemused

                All right, I won’t be personal, I’ll just reiterate like a teacher, if there is a margin of error of 4% (typical), then 42% is not 42%, it is 38-46%. Think of it not as a discrete point but a continuum. The true score is in there, somewhere, but cannot be perfectly determined. Also, you should always add both sides of the match so you know you many “undecideds” there are. Now if you take 42 vs 43, that means 100-85 = 15% undecided. That’s a lot, in a close decision. Now put your 38-46% next to a 39-47% range and you can see the overlap means such a close match can’t be decided. My personal rule of thumb is that it doesn’t get meaningful until the gap between the two is not only bigger than the margin of error, but at least as big as the undecided margin. Draw your own conclusions. There will be a test Nov. 4.

                • dg

                  “My personal rule of thumb is that it doesn’t get meaningful until the gap between the two is not only bigger than the margin of error, but at least as big as the undecided margin.”

                  I can’t find anything with which to disagree, bemused.

                  At the moment, this race is close. But, again, at this moment, the current EV numbers are on Obama’s side (as detailed in my Pollster.com post). And with his current superior ground operation, I suggest that the margins of error will diminish.

                  • Eidnoreid

                    ground operation? is that the thuggish, corrupt, chicago-politics?

                    • FranSC

                      The ground operation is online from the Silicon Valley Venture Capitalist company in CA that ‘neutral’ Nancy Pelosi got to run BO’s slick hi-tec campaign. BO had NOTHING to do with bringing them on board other than agreeing to it, but is receiving high praise for his hi-tec savvy, giving him this misleading new generation mistique.

                      This vc company has no doubt reached a large number of people, but they are the 18-34 age group that they snagged from FaceBook and MySpace. You cannot win the general election with college kids, the Star Bucks professionals, and African Americans. We all knew that going in.

                    • http://www.stateofdisbelief.wordpress.com stateofdisbelief

                      Ground operations are worthless when people become inclined to slam the door in their face.

                      The 2nd coming has overstayed its welcome.

                    • s. hall

                      stateofdisbelief — the second coming should be Going.

                  • bemused

                    It isn’t the margin of error that diminishes. That’s a pretty firm number determined by the methodology of the study. If it is a good study (or poll) the MOE will stay about the same. What has to happen is that the margin of preference has to widen. That number is the fluid one and reflects an opinion shift.

              • http://deleted OBSP

                Everyone on this board is behind a key boy. Politics is not for the faint of heart and your boy who I know is a dirty fighter. And like you, he can dish it but he can’t take it. I’m happy that you are passionate, but so am I and this chump does not deserve to be POTUS after a part time job in the IL Senate and 143 days in the US Senate. He has never worked for a position in his career. It has been handed to him just like GWB. As one of his friends told me, he has been lucky. First the challenge to Alice’s petition and then Jerry Ryan dropping out. He thinks his luck will hold out, but I am praying that luck will get the second most unqualified person in the White House in my time.

                • http://deleted OBSP

                  I meant Not get the second most unqualified person in the White House.

                • dg

                  “Politics is not for the faint of heart and your boy who I know is a dirty fighter.”

                  This is what I find mystifying — if one side hammers another, and the other side fights back, somehow that other side is fighting “dirty.” The mindset reminds me of a scene in “Stripes,” where John Candy is being beaten to a pulp by female wrestlers. Then, when he finally pushes back, one of the women cries out, “You hit a woman!”

              • http://! Buzz Latte

                Guess what, You’re wrong.

                Too late for the pot to be meeting the kettle when it comes to juvenile insults.

                If you think a two point bump is indicative of an Obama win, how big do you think six inches is?

                • dg

                  “Too late for the pot to be meeting the kettle when it comes to juvenile insults.”

                  For you maybe, but find any post where I’ve resorted to such childishness.

                  “If you think a two point bump is indicative of an Obama win, how big do you think six inches is?”

                  Case in point.

                  Never did I say that the two point bump “is indicative of an Obama win”; rather it was to refute the claim that he’s “sliding.”

                  • Eidnoreid

                    he’s sliding refers to some of the state polls.

                  • Hope

                    from Rasmussen
                    Obama fell from an 11-percentage point lead in mid-June to a six-point lead in July. The latest numbers mark the closest the race has been so far this year.

                    • Hope

                      dg,
                      11 points to TIED, repeating slowly T-I-E-D.

                      Emerging as presumptious nominee-no bump
                      Celebrity Rock tour as citizen of the world-no bump

                      I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for a Change canidate picking an old establishment running mate bump either.

                      Or the Faux messiah preaching to the choir of lemmings in Denver bump either.

                  • http://! Buzz Latte

                    Bigger picture required.

                    Obama has lost at least 12 points in favorability since June putting the race in a statistical dead heat.

                    That’s a slide and now it appears to also be a trend since it hasn’t corrected back.

                    How big is six inches?

                  • elise

                    You are childish and this argument is juvenile, dg. If you want to comb through poll numbers until you find something to make you feel better about supporting Obama, go ahead, but you need to know how pathetic it is. Why don’t you want to talk about real numbers? Anyway you look at it, more votes were cast for Hillary Clinton during the primaries than for Obama. You can talk about what might have been if Obama had left his name on MI ballot, but he didn’t. His choice. Now, the DNC wants to pretend all that didn’t happen, but every time I see Biden I will her face in my mind. Her smile, her laughter and the pain when she was attacked because of her gender. I will hear all the lies and I will hear her wonderful speeches, her plans to help this country move on and the voices of everyone of her ardent supporters, including Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Every time I see Obama’s head snapping back and for the from one teleprompter, I will see him flipping his middle finger, brushing her truth from his shoulders and I will hear Annie Oakley and all the ridicule from people like you and the vulgar, sexist words I have read on this blog and others. I believe 18mil others will see the same pictures and hear the same words and they will ask why. More of them will decide to stay home, write in her name or vote for McCain. She will walk away from this with more power and respect than Obama will ever have. Now, why do you want to talk about bumps and Biden?

                    • dg

                      “Anyway you look at it, more votes were cast for Hillary Clinton during the primaries than for Obama. ”

                      You’re including the caucus votes, of course, yes?

                      And even if you’re not, both parties agreed to the rules of the game — the delegate count. And Obama gained more delegates than Sen. Clinton, enough to secure his nomination. “Anyway you look at it.”

                      “You can talk about what might have been if Obama had left his name on MI ballot, but he didn’t. His choice. ”

                      I never talked about what might have been; you’re having an argument with yourself, elise.

                      “I believe 18mil others will see the same pictures and hear the same words and they will ask why. ”

                      I believe that you believe that. I just disagree that’s that’s the case is all.

                      “Now, why do you want to talk about bumps and Biden”

                      Because that’s where we are in the here and now. In the here and now, Hillary isn’t the Democratic candidate. In the here and now, Obama and Biden are the Democratic ticket. In the here and now, Obama has continued to either tie or lead McCain in every Rasmussen and Gallup tracking poll since the primary season ended. In the here and now, only one polling aggregate, RCP, has McCain ahead in the EV, while two others, Pollster.com and fivethirtyeight.com, continue to have Obama ahead in the EV.

                      In the here and now, the Democratic Party will nominate Obama and Biden as their Presidential and Vice-Presidential choices. In the here and now, the Republican Party will nominate McCain and his running mate not yet announced.

                      That’s the here and now. If you wish to either sit this election out or vote for McCain, no one is denying you your right to do that. If you choose to vote for McCain, a man who represents nearly everything Hillary has ever fought against, do what you think is best, and no one will or should dismiss you for it.

                      I respect your principles. Calling me “childish” for pointing out real numbers, isn’t principled.

                    • elise

                      Don’t talk to me about the rules of the game dg. The rules say Hillary Clinton should be nominated at the convention and have a fair vote without someone stealing her delegates. You can’t have it both ways you know. If you have a caucus state, the only votes you count are the caucus votes and those are the rules of the game. I’m sure we (Hillary’s supporters) would be happy to go back and have primary votes in Iowa and the other caucus states. And what about automatic delegates,dg? Obama doesn’t have enough earned delegates to win the nomination yet he was never asked to drop out. Yeah. delegates. Well, they were bought, threatened and pressured by the Party in the here and now, to support the DNC choice. Wake up! McCain is 72yrs old and the member of a Party which by all estimates is not very popular and was never given a chance to win this election. Obama will go down in Nov. and how much satisfaction will that give you? I have heard all the excuses and rationalization from the media and people like you, but I am a logical, long time activist in the Democratic party and I will tell you it’s crap. The Republicans have already begun their attacks much sooner than anyone believed, which would have been after the convention. And in the here and now, these attacks from Obama about how many houses McCain’s wife owns are, where did i hear this, silliness. He says his wife is out of bounds and I say if he thinks anything is out of bounds, he is out of touch with reality and so are you. If he thinks he can use race baiting against them, he is delusional. If anyone thinks they can use McCains age, they should look at the demographics to see what percentage of voters are over 40yrs. This is insanity, but you are right about one thing. It will take a miracle for people to find that out before it’s too late. This is a result of a group of idiots in the party who wanted to grab power and don’t have enough common sense to see the destruction it would cause.

                    • dg

                      Update:

                      “I believe 18mil others will see the same pictures and hear the same words and they will ask why. ” (elise)

                      Lifetime Network Poll, August 5, 2008:

                      “Of those [women] who voted for Clinton, 76 percent said they would vote for Obama while 18 percent would vote for McCain.”

                      http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0532505820080805

                    • elise

                      Please, dg. I have seen polls where less than 50% of her voters will vote for Obama in Nov. I hope you find some comfort in polls. When the fog clears away, you can use reason and your own intellect to unravel all the pure, unadultrated, politics as usual to find the truth. I can give you Hillary’s history, defend her against the lies and the smears, point out all the bizarre circumstances which have led to an unknown, freshman senator winning the nomination on the Party, but I know only time will bring wisdom.

            • PKJAYNE

              OBSP The trolls have to take a grownup approach now that Biden has been named. It’s the new change.

          • Dan R.

            It’s all within the margin of error, DG. This race is neck & neck. And if the “Bradley Effect” is taken into account, I suspect that John McCain is, in reality. 3-4 points ahead right now.

            • dg

              ” And if the “Bradley Effect” is taken into account, I suspect that John McCain is, in reality. 3-4 points ahead right now.”

              Possible, but not likely; (but we’ll see in 73 days). At the same time, there’s the matter of land vs mobile phone polling.

              • http://! Buzz Latte

                Oh, is that why all you little n00bs gave out your cell number to the Barky campaign so they could poll you all and think that you’re somehow going to make a difference?

                That’s laughable.

              • s. hall

                dg — give it a rest — anyone can see that Obama hasn’t got what it takes to be President. Why do you come in here and try to convince us otherwise–when we laugh at you.

                • dg

                  “anyone can see that Obama hasn’t got what it takes to be President. ”

                  Anyone? That’s rather sweeping, don’t you think?

                  “Why do you come in here and try to convince us otherwise–when we laugh at you.”

                  I’m sorry you feel that the site shouldn’t allow posts of contrary views. Or views that dare to contradict the nonsense percolating in here. Perhaps you should convince Larry to require registration for Hillary supporters only. Make it a litmus test. Force an allegiance or something.

                  That way, you can all repeat and spread the same myths, the same misinformation, the same paranoid outrages, embellishing them with each passing, so that someone’s “I wonder if” soon becomes an “established fact,” all amongst yourselves, with no fear of reality ever leaking inside the bubble.

                  So “laugh at [me]” all you want. Someday you’ll realize how the rest of the political world — the sane ones, anyway, laugh at the inbreeding mentality in here.

                  • elise

                    Anyone is allowed to post here dg. Does that mean we do have a right to challenge you? You must be thinking of Huffpo or kos.

                    • dg

                      “Anyone is allowed to post here dg. Does that mean we do have a right to challenge you?”

                      Of course. Challenge me. As I try to challenge you (the generic you)I. I like debate on substance. Not to be confused with 4th-grade-level taunts.

          • btintaos

            He’s risen within the margin of error. Oh, I take back everything I’ve ever said about him. He’s the messiah, he’s the messiah.

          • Hope Floats

            Obama has held steady but fluctuating withing three points nationally for weeks, and Gallup is the most reliable indicator. But in battleground state polls, Obama has lost his edge significantly. John McCain holds a real lead in the electoral college now.

            • dg

              “John McCain holds a real lead in the electoral college now.”

              According only to RealClearPolitics, which gives a number of toss-up states to McCain, despite the fact that Obama is currently leading in them (based on combined state polls). Such as Alaska, Nevada, Montana, Colorado, and Ohio.

              Pollster.com:

              Current Toss-Up states won by Bush in 2000 and 2004:

              Alaska (3 EV): Obama 44.6, McCain 41.9
              Nevada (5 EV): Obama 43.4, McCain 42.8
              Montana (3 EV): Obama 48.3, McCain 45.2
              Colorado (9 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 43.8
              Ohio (20 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 42.7
              Virginia (13 EV): Obama 45.6, McCain 44.4

              That’s six states that were beyond Gore’s or Kerry’s reach. All are within range in ‘08 for Obama.

              Then there are the states won by Bush in 2004 that are solidly in Obama’s column today (that RealClearPolitics acknowledges):

              Iowa (7 EV): Obama 48.5, McCain 42.0
              NM (5 EV): Obama 48.1, McCain 40.3

              McCain is, at the moment, picking up zero Kerry states.

              Pollster.com’s electoral tally — NOT including any of the above states:

              Obama 260
              McCain 176

              Obama’s road to 270 is far easier than McCain’s. All he needs are various combinations of the smaller states that add up to 10 more EV than he already has. And picking up _just_ VA will do the trick.

              • MEchelle Hates America!

                Oblowme is in reality a one state wonder.

                A wonder he hasn’t been indicted.

                And IL is the only state he’ll steal/get.

                The Oblowme Story:
                Illegal Interests in Illinois

              • Hope Floats

                EASY WIN FOR MCCAIN

                If McCain not only has Ohio safely tucked away but also is holding off Obama in Virginia and Colorado, he can breathe a sigh of relief.

                Should he stop Obama in Iowa, an antiwar hotbed and Obama’s launching pad, that would be a very positive sign for the GOP.

                But if McCain were to be on the way to winning Pennsylvania and Michigan and competitive or ahead in recently very blue New Jersey, Minnesota and Wisconsin, then he could be looking at the type of GOP victory that has been more common in recent decades.

                Although the Republicans won narrowly in 2004 and 2000, the GOP in 1972, 1980, 1984 and 1988 carried 40 states or more following the kind of scenario outlined above.

                RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO RCP

                RCP has McCain ahead in AK by 7 pts. The latest Ras has him up by 6 pts. And SUSA has McCain ahead by 5 pts. Research 2000 gave him 10 pts.

                Rasmussen has McCain up by 2 pts. in NV. The RCP avg is 1 pt.

                In MT the RCP average is McCain +5.3 pts. Rasmussen has them tied. While
                Mason-Dixon says McCain +8 pts. SUSA also has McCain +8 pts.

                Sigh. I hate you for being such a liar and making me post this.

                Every poll on RCP has McCain up by 1 pt. in VA.

                McCain is up by 1 pt. in CO and up 2 pts. according to Quinnipac/ WSJ.

                The 6 million claimed was not that far off. It was 2 million in June and 3 million in July.

                I didn’t really care all that much when Kerry lost, though I voted against him and felt good about it. I am going to love seeing Obama epically fail on November 5, because his supporters were such insufferable little shits (regardless of age – I mean smallness of heart, mind and spirit.)

            • Rocky Mountain High

              Obama should be way ahead now, taking the margin of error, it is essentially a statistical tie. Past Democratic contenders who ended up losing in the end, such as Kerry and Gore were 10-16 pts ahead at this point in the race – and look what happened to them. There’s no way Obama can win this now with Biden in tow.

      • Kick Barry to the Curb

        Now, you are just being silly. The Gallup and Rasmussen dailies move one point in either direction almost daily. Sometimes even two points. And that is always within the margin of error.

        In fact, both polls have been remarkably stable now since the erasure of what was a 4-5 point Obama cushion prior to his overseas trip.

        Of course the national polls are meaningless anyway. And if you look at the swing state numbers, Barack has been sliding for a few weeks now.

        Don’t worry little troll. I head Delaware is in the bag.

        • dg

          “Now, you are just being silly. The Gallup and Rasmussen dailies move one point in either direction almost daily. Sometimes even two points. And that is always within the margin of error.

          “n fact, both polls have been remarkably stable now since the erasure of what was a 4-5 point Obama cushion prior to his overseas trip.”

          That’s true — but “sliding”? Not exactly.

          “Of course the national polls are meaningless anyway. And if you look at the swing state numbers, Barack has been sliding for a few weeks now.”

          In some states; in others, not the case.

          “Don’t worry little troll…”

          Oh, you were doing so well. I thought for a second we might actually have a civil argument.

          • http://! Buzz Latte

            As if you think you can demand that! LOL!!

            If you were really interested in an intelligent exchange you might bring some pertinent information besides a 2 pt poll bump to the table.

            How about discussing why a lawsuit remains open about Obama’s citizenship and how he and the DNC will be served with papers regarding said lawsuit in the state of PA?

            Now that’s worth discussing!

            • dg

              “If you were really interested in an intelligent exchange you might bring some pertinent information besides a 2 pt poll bump to the table.”

              You want pertinent information?

              Pollster.com:

              Current Toss-Up states won by Bush in 2000 and 2004:

              Alaska (3 EV): Obama 44.6, McCain 41.9
              Nevada (5 EV): Obama 43.4, McCain 42.8
              Montana (3 EV): Obama 48.3, McCain 45.2
              Colorado (9 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 43.8
              Ohio (20 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 42.7
              Virginia (13 EV): Obama 45.6, McCain 44.4

              That’s six states that were beyond Gore’s or Kerry’s reach. All are within range in ‘08.

              Then there are the states won by Bush in 2004 that are solidly in Obama’s column today:

              Iowa (7 EV): Obama 48.5, McCain 42.0
              NM (5 EV): Obama 48.1, McCain 40.3

              As far as Michigan and NH:

              Michigan (17 EV): Obama 46.7, McCain 40.2
              NH (4 EV): Obama 45.7, McCain 44.1

              McCain is, at the moment, picking up zero Kerry states.

              Pollster.com’s electoral tally — NOT including any of the above states BUT Michigan, Iowa, and NH:

              Obama 260
              McCain 176

              Obama’s road to 270 is far easier than McCain’s. All he needs are various combinations of the smaller states that add up to 10 more EV than he already has. And picking up _just_ VA will do the trick.

              How’s that? Pertinent enough for ya?

              “How about discussing why a lawsuit remains open about Obama’s citizenship and how he and the DNC will be served with papers regarding said lawsuit in the state of PA?”

              Get back to us on that one after they’re laughingly tossed out of court.

              “Now that’s worth discussing!”

              Perhaps in your world, but elsewhere, I kinda doubt it.

              • http://! Buzz Latte

                You still haven’t addressed and answered:

                1) How big is six inches?

                2) What is the rebuttal to the lawsuit filed in PA questioning the Citizenship status of Barack Obama aka Barry Obama aka Barry Dunham aka Barry Soetoro, et al?

                Hint: The federal judge did not grant the temporary restraining order, however he left the matter open to be revisited AFTER Mr. Obama and the DNC have been served notice regarding the lawsuit.

                Darn! That means it’s still an open matter and little Barry is gonna have to cough up.

                2 pts suddenly doesn’t matter.

          • Hope Floats

            They’ve sure mastered the nonspecific lingo.

            In some states; in others, not the case.

            Oh, well, let’s have a civil discussion about THAT. I’ll go first.

            Flibberty gibbits. Gobbledy gook. Blob?

      • Hope

        Gee thanks for the info.
        The original post was:
        SUSA) has a new poll out today that shows McCain enjoying a comfortable six point margin. That margin is slightly more than Bush’s five point win in 2004.
        Prefer not to talk about that one?

        When citing these polls, understand that they are within the margin of error- TIED.
        You might also be better served to come back with Obama percentages over time to reflect whether his own numbers are better or worse- hence the term siliding.

        The Biden pick won’t be fully reflected in either poll until Tuesday.

        Please elaborate on how you think it benefits a presidential candidate to have his vice president appear more trustworthy, experienced and qualified than he? It’s another situation that highlights Obama’s shortcomings.
        Consider also, that Biden garnered very little support in this election cycle already, and he’s voiced his own support of John McCain.

        While you are at it, please explain why Obama wastes so much money and can never seem to buy enough votes?
        His spending didn’t get him primary wins and it isn’t working now.

        Money can’t replace the integrity Obama is lacking.

        • dg

          “he original post was:
          SUSA) has a new poll out today that shows McCain enjoying a comfortable six point margin. That margin is slightly more than Bush’s five point win in 2004.
          Prefer not to talk about that one?”

          As was kinda clear in that quote, the poll is for Florida only.

          “Please elaborate on how you think it benefits a presidential candidate to have his vice president appear more trustworthy, experienced and qualified than he? It’s another situation that highlights Obama’s shortcomings.”

          Three words: 2000, Bush, and Cheney.

          “While you are at it, please explain why Obama wastes so much money and can never seem to buy enough votes?”

          I posted in another thread where much of Obama’s money is going towards his GOTV apparatus, which is presently overwhelming McCain’s operation. I’d say that that’s a wise investment, something, I should add, at which Bush’s 2004 team excelled.

          • beebop

            Repeater troll.

          • vinnie

            going towards his GOTV apparatus? as in ACORN?

            • Hope

              I think he meant GOTVr fraud. I.See.Dead.People.

          • Hope Floats

            McCain’s operation is the Federated GOP Women, College and Young Republicans, and local party committees, as always. And Obama, since he has angered the part of the party that comprises its volunteer base, will follow Kerry’s game plan and hire from temp agencies for his GOTV efforts. We all know his ACORN strategies, too; there is no doubt the Republicans are onto this. So, the map remains unchanged and the GOP will continue its winning strategy on terra firma.

            • PKJAYNE

              since he has angered the part of the party that comprises its volunteer base,

              He peeved us off bigtime!

        • TeakwoodKite

          The price of Oil and inflation?

      • Obama is a bum

        Prepare for increased troll involvement from the Demo convention and bump in the polls. They will all be beating their chests trying to rally around President Biden, or is it Obama?

        • joseyj

          Quick! contact Obama’s campaign HQs!!
          Let them know the AP “purposely” darkened this pic – because the AP is, of course – RACIST!!
          ;>

          http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/08/23/art.obamabiden.ap.jpg

          • Ms J in FL

            that’s not retouch. Joe is an official brotha now. if this ticket loses in Nov he’ll still get lots of AA votes needed for his Senate re-election. just for hangin with Obambi!

      • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

        AWESOME!! Man, the BIG BOUNCE he got from Biden is better than we expected….

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should expect yet another uptick after convention, ’cause it’s gonna be the best show evah!!

      • Peggy Sue

        See you in November!

        And let’s take a stroll down “History Lane.” The Democrats are favored in this election by indisputable numbers, yet Barack Obama, the Democratic Party’s “star” candidate, is barely squeaking by with a lead [within the margin of error, btw].

        Take a look at other elections and see where the candidates fall, the losing candidates I should say since that is what my party, the Dems, seem truly gifted at, insisting on weak, losing candidates. You can stomp your feet and beat your breast, but a Clinton, Bill Clinton specifically, offered up the first 2-term presidential success since FDR’s multiple term wins.

        What a “horrid” success!

        You might also look at the polls in the swing states, the incredible inching forward by McCain, the steady push into the + column, the shrinking of any post-primary leads that Obama once had.

        For the rational that in itself should set off alarm bells. But whoever said Obamatrons were rational?

        So please, keep on being snarky about your candidates 1 or 2 pt lead before the war has even started. You might be surprised, but it will give me no great pleasure seeing the Democratic Party go down in flames in 2008.

        But frankly, this year they deserve it. Hopefully, something worthwhile will emerge from the ashes.

  • Phil

    “John Kerry: “From his championship of families hit hardest by a failing economy” – yeah, like championing a bankruptcy bill that hurts the most vulnerable Americans. Biden is in the pocket of big finance.

    Also, Delaware is a state that is a parasite on the rest of America. Wake up, Kool-Aid drinkers!

    You want a mouthful on Delaware? Read this. This is the state that Joe Biden helps to rape other American states.
    http://gerrycanavan.blogspot.com/2008/08/case-against-delaware.html

    • beebop

      Here’s another little add for you from Matt Tiabbi at that bastion of Republican thought, Rolling Stone:

      Right around the time Biden and his fellow Democrats launched their Rumsfeld attack, the Defense Department released a study showing that an inordinately high number of military recruits were being disqualified from service in Iraq because of debt problems, often resulting from so-called “payday loans,” i.e. very high-interest loans made between paychecks by predatory lenders who set up show outside military bases.

      The study made the front page of USA Today and was briefly a media sensation, with many commentators noting the injustice of a system that allows credit companies to prey upon young men and women about to serve in the Iraq bloodbath. Making matters worse was the fact that Congress voted specifically to deny debt protection to servicemen a year and a half ago.

      Back in early 2005, Senator Dick Durbin proposed an amendment to the infamous S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 ?- better known as the Bankruptcy Bill, a law pushed by credit companies which made it more or less impossible to declare bankruptcy.

      Durbin’s amendment, called the G.I. Protection Amendment, would have exempted U.S. servicemen and women from the so-called “means test,” a procedure which under the new law every bankruptcy aspirant must submit to before he is allowed to sue for bankruptcy. It also would have protected soldiers from losing their homes to creditors during their deployments, and would have offered some debt protections to the spouses of slain servicemen. It also would have offered some protections to soldiers in trouble because of payday loans.

      Now, the logic of this amendment seemed unassailable. Soldiers sent to war often end up in financial trouble, and reservists sent to war for long deployments have it even worse, often seeing their small businesses fail or bills pile up while they trade in their normal salaries for meager Army wages. It seems like a small concession to make to soldiers to offer some relief on these fronts, in exchange for asking them to risk their necks for some pointless military adventure dreamed up by a bunch of half-wit Ivy League trust-fund babies who’ll never go broke and whose kids will never serve.

      So Durbin’s amendment made sense, but of course it died, 62-38. Most of the Republicans voted against it, but they weren’t alone. Some Democrats voted nay, too, including that great old friend of the credit industry, Joe Biden. [emphasis mine]

      • http://deleted OBSP

        Change we can believe/carry in our pocket.

        • beebop

          ABC keeps talking about “humble” beginnings. Scranton, Pennsylvania is the last time that Joe Biden was humble … count on it!

          • Hope Floats

            I had a Caribbean cab driver coming home this afternoon, and he had an African radio program on. The announcer began talking about how Sen. Barack Obama announced his running mate, a veteran of the US Senate, Joe Biden. I was quiet and respectful until she stressed Biden’s working class roots, and then I lost it. “Biden?” and I borrowed from Ann Richardson, “That guy was born with a silver foot in his mouth.” They all were more than comfortably middle class and some more than others. But humble is not the first word that springs to mind when I think of Biden. The cab driver laughed and said Biden would do Obama no good since he’d been in DC as long as Obama has been alive. That Obama should have picked Clinton to show he can keep the peace and resolve disputes. That now Americans would vote for “the Republican,” and he couldn’t blame them. Dissing women is bad politics. It was kind of vindicating to hear that my take on the situation was objective and influenced only by the race itself and not race or disappointment.

      • Raven

        This bankruptcy law needs to be changed. On this,
        the Republicans won’t help. Biden needs to hear
        about this.

  • William L. Donlon

    They are rudder-less and missing the main point.

    It’s all about the Democrats!

    There are, and always have been, two, branches of the Democratic Party!

    The Jeffersonians —- Rich Snobish Over educated Wine & Cheese eaters.

    The Jacksonians — Blue collar, union, beer drinking, gun hugging bible thumping people who made, run and understand the Good Old USOFA!

    Let me put this so the Wine & Cheese eaters get it.

    “Obama closes out of town with the Jacksonians”.

    and they love Billy Jeff.

    And you called that Good Old Boy a “racist”.

    Obama is five points down because he is missing 18 million Dems. ie Women and Jacksonians.

    And he can’t win with out them.

    They have gone or are going to McCain.

    Read the polls.

    Hillary on the ticket might have got them back in November.

    What part of “NO Quarter” don’t they get at Camp OBAMA???

    • DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

      This Jefferson/Jackson thing is interesting.

      Ok so what do you call those that like Wine & Cheese, moderately educated, blue collar, don’t own a gun or thump any bibles, hates Nascar & Most Country Music, yet LOVES MOUNTAIN living also served her Nation Proudly and was too young to be a hippie.

      what is that? I don’t feel totally at home anywhere really.

      • Hope Floats

        Those Rolex commies love us Dawnelle. We seem like the salt of the earth, comfortable in our own skin, not pretentious and yet not uncouth, either.

        I prefer stock car racing to NASCAR, love the Golden Age of Country, proud of my mountain roots, and am beloved by hippies. I know more about wine than cheese, but I’m not a wanker about either.

        • DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

          Hehehe!

          Stock car is COOL and demolition derby looks like fun.

          I’ve been to Sebring and Daytona (back when I lived in FL) borrrrrrrrrring! Well the drinking part was fun (back then I did partake).

          Thanks HOPE so what do we call ourselves?

  • Katmoon

    The blogggers have gone nuts on AP/Fournier, and now with the help of Moveon are listing the executives e-mails on all the blogs to complain about what the ap wrote today

    Under the headline “Biden pick shows lack of confidence,” the AP wrote:
    The candidate of change went with the status quo. In picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate, Barack Obama sought to shore up his weakness–inexperience in office and on foreign policy…He picked a 35-year veteran of the Senate–the ultimate insider…The Biden selection is the next logistical step in an Obama campaign that has become more negative…”1 (Emphasis added)

    moveon.org/emails/ap_fournier.html

    So very thin skinned, always pointing that finger at everyone else, but running around like bullies during the primary, and more to come. Petulant, babies.

    • DAB

      The ad that the Republicans are running about what Biden said about Obama during the Primary is effective not just for what was said but for the look on Obama’s face when Biden dissed him. BO looks so very uncomfortable and pissed and not too appealing. That is primarily what makes it so powerful.

      • Liz B

        I thought he looked smug. He had an arrogant look of disdain, I’ve seen him look that way at Hillary more than a few times, too. I imagine come September’s debates there won’t be too many pictures of him not looking like he’d like to choke the life out of his opponent. It must have been galling to have to choose someone who obviously doesn’t think very highly of him. That alone should tell the country that this campaign must believe it is in trouble.

    • dg

      “So very thin skinned, always pointing that finger at everyone else, but running around like bullies during the primary, and more to come. Petulant, babies.”

      Oh, the unintended irony.

      • Leisa

        For someone who comes here claiming to want civil discourse, you certainly like to use a holier-than-thou and condescending tone…

        • dg

          “For someone who comes here claiming to want civil discourse, you certainly like to use a holier-than-thou and condescending tone…”

          I’m not the one accusing others of being “thin-skinned… petulant, babies,” Leisa, or wearing depends. Is that the sort of “tone” you prefer?

          • Leisa

            Well, what did you just do? Oh, the irony….

            • http://! Buzz Latte

              Nice catch Leisa.

              I think dg must be part of the B string Obots.

              Is that the best they can do?

            • Hope Floats

              Oh, the unintended irony… because that’s not implied by definition.

    • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

      No wonder Obama looked so mad on stage this afternoon. He made a mistake, he can’t fix it, and his inexperience/ineptness are headlined!!

      Then, to refer to Biden as the next president in his speech made him sound at least as absent-minded, unfocused as the McCain gaffes do to him.

    • FranSC

      The MoveOn crowd could only be successful in a democratic primary with the help of A-A’s. They can’t handle the on-slaught of the other half of the country – the republicans.

      For example, BO was neive enough to be convinced by Howard Dean that he could turn NC from red to blue. O soundly beat Hillary in NC because 40% of the voters were A-A who voted 91% for BO. The only other significant demographic in his column was the young, college-educated Research Triangle professionals and the many college students in that same area(Raleigh/Durham).

      It was shocking how all the pundits I heard misunderstood the NC Primary. Most thought this was the defining moment that supported not only that BO would win the primaries (with the help of his illigitimate, chaotic caucus wins organized by the MoveOn crowd), but also a sign he could win the general.

      The current polls in NC, a solid republican state regardless of the high A-A voter registration, show McCain beating BO as badly as he beat Hillary in the primary.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    He figured out that all those AAs he used in the red states for the primary can’t cut it in the General, so he doesn’t need them any longer. They’ll see him again just as soon as Haley’s Comet rolls around.

    • http://www.stateofdisbelief.wordpress.com stateofdisbelief

      I will only campaign for BO and JB if they let me put the following sign in my front yard:

      B(l)OJ(o)B ’08

      • socalannie

        ROLFLMAO!!!

        • Leisa

          :O

    • http://deleted OBSP

      Uppity, you can be the first to get the first edition of the Obama/Biden shirt for a $30 donation.
      I don’t know about you, but I think I will pass on the offer and buy a couple bottles of wine.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    Think this will be in a future Republican Ad?
    http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/priceless-find/

    • beebop

      Unbelievable … so, since the American people can’t afford Joe Biden, Soretoes must have him!

      Priceless!

      • http://www.stateofdisbelief.wordpress.com stateofdisbelief

        well now…the American people can’t afford Joe Biden OR Arugala…what shall we do???

    • simanov

      He’s right. “American people” does not include Obama.
      Where he’s from? Who knows. He is a citizen of the world.

      • Obama is a bum

        Does he have a certificate for being a citizen of the world? Apparently he is the lone citizen of the world and he thinks he controls it.

        • simanov

          They are working on that certificate over at KOS.

        • FranSC

          The Anti-Christ??

      • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

        You know, that citizen of the world statement, coupled with his religious infusion into the party convention, and the reality of what New World Order is, Obama looks more frightening to me all the time.

    • socalannie

      What a find! Thanks Uppity! The RNC should add this clip in with the one in the post above. Then it would be double the fun!

    • http://deleted OBSP

      Dam!

    • TeakwoodKite

      Puma Kitties! Pow Pow Pow!!

      “I agree with Joe” was said publicly by everyone of the Dem candidates during the debates, except Kucinich and the ex senator from Alaska.

      So if they agree with Joe…they must all agree that BO is not qualified to be POTUS.

      • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

        Well, those clips one right after another would make a really great campaign ad for McCain.

    • audacity

      listening to his speech next to the image of the little boxing PUMA gif:

      priceless

      his pick for VP was the best one-two punch at himself

  • fred

    Biden Tell Colmes He Would Turn Down VP If Offered Video
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    They’ve Given The Republican All The Ammo They Need

    • TeakwoodKite

      They did not tell Biden until late in the week.

      Long enough for Joe to come and say” I am not that guy”.

      So right after that hit the wire, BO calls Biden.

      BO; Hey Joe
      Biden; Hey Barry.
      BO; Just clled to say I wanted to a white man make an ass out him self.
      Biden; WTH are you talking about?
      BO; well ahh…ummm…I have decide to pick you, Joe.
      Biden; Ahhh ummm ahhh…Barry…you think this a game of “Duck, Duck, Goose?”
      I am not that guy…do the math..my momgod bless her….she would say I was a fool to agree to this.

      In Bidens speech today on BO.

      “This is a man raised by a single mother who sometimes was on food stamps as she worked to put herself through school, by grandparents from the prairies of Kansas who loved him, a grandfather, a grandfather who marched in Paton’s Army and then came home and went to college on the G.I. Bill, and a grandmother, a grandmother with just a high school education, started off working in a small bank in the secretarial pool and rose to be vice president of that bank.”

      .

      Biden is “couching BO on how to speak to “white people” of megar means…who are bluecollar and gun toten bible fearin’ Dems…

      Surrree.

  • http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

    The fact that Obama’s inability to bring in $100 million a month as he projected is now hurting big time, for the guy who needed $300 million to steal the primary and will need close to $1 billion to steal the GE.

    Guess he never figured on anyone discovering his Gaza and African contributons sneaking their way into his coffers that someone would blow the whistle on him over……poor Barry!

    • dg

      “The fact that Obama’s inability to bring in $100 million a month as he projected….”

      More myths.

      Obama never made that projection. That projection was made by one of his fundraisers. And it wasn’t even a projection:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/obama-could-raise-100-mil_n_106169.html

      Now that the Obama campaign has turned its focus towards the general election against John McCain, leading Democratic fundraisers are predicting that Obama’s fundraising could skyrocket even higher than it already has. Specifically, some predict that he could raise $100 million in June:

      Leading Democratic fundraisers predict that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will raise hundreds of millions of dollars over the next few months if he opts out of public financing and begins raising money for the general election.

      Specifically, they say Obama could raise $100 million in June and could attract 2.5 million to 3 million new donors to his campaign.

      [end cite]

      Note the difference between a *prediction* that the campaign “_WILL_ raise hundreds of millions of dollars over the next few months” — which, thus far, is on course, vs, “_COULD_” raise $100 million in June.”

      This from one of his fundraisers, not Obama directly.

      • http://deleted OBSP

        He never says anything directly about money and neither did most canidates. Penny Prtizer told his bundler that they have to raise that amount in order to by pass public funding. The myth that the majority of his money came from first time small donations was exposed. One of my clients is a bundler and his goals was raised from $50M to $65 and he is sweating. He ask me for a list of my HRC friends to tap, but I told them that most were now PUMA’s.
        I will probably loss that client if he wins, so we have to keep it up!

        • beebop

          They are paddling as fast as they can. I guess the math concerning how much money he would need to raise after turning down public financing didn’t set it ….

          • http://deleted OBSP

            beebop- I know so many people around the country that are bundlers and that are scared. My brother-in-law’s partner signed up for 25M now they asking him to double it. When he first ran for senator he meet with a bunch of us and ask each for $2K and we gave it to him (I lived in his district then). A lot of those people were HRC people in Chicago and one raised more money for him with HRC’s apperance than anyone else. Most are supporting him, but the one person that raised the most is not.

      • Dan R.

        Yeah, sure makes it a lot easier to understand how he could go back on his pledge to accept public funding after preaching its virtues to anyone who would listen for 3 solid years, doesn’t it?

        The guy is an opportunistic hypocrite with no core convictions other than his own ambition. I can’t believe people like you are too obtuse to see that.

      • agent77

        you really showed us…do you get paid by the word?

      • Gaza Bob

        We are raising the money very quickly. Who is Abu-Biden?

      • Karl Rove

        No more money from us Barack, that game is over.

        • PKJAYNE

          lmao Karl…………you go Boy!

      • Ariana Huffington

        dg, thank you for your insightful post.

        • Hope Floats

          LMAO!

      • http://! Buzz Latte

        NO matter. it still didn’t happen and now the DNC is broke. Hillary’s deep pockets decided not to play and Obama didn’t take public funding and NOW the FEC is investigating:

        Doodad

        Not to mention the lawsuit brought forth by Phillip Berg – a DNC loyalist – so the GOP don’t have to bother.

        Man overboard! This baby is going down!

        • dg

          “it still didn’t happen and now the DNC is broke.”

          This canard was destroyed days ago in another thread. Do keep up.

          • Hope Floats

            Lurkey Loo seems to think it’s more current than the regulars here. La di frickin da.

          • FranSC

            dg, are you saying the DNC is NOT broke? When you consider that Hillary’s supporters would not contribute to BO’s DNC and BO’s supporters only sent money to him – the DNC couldn’t collect money from them since they came from MySpace and FaceBook and most are students. The DNC had no money for the convention until O had some fundraisers to bail them out and who knows – maybe he’s paying for the convention. Serves them right!

            • dg

              “dg, are you saying the DNC is NOT broke?”

              I’m not saying that the DNC isn’t broke; The DNC is saying it isn’t broke:

              http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080816/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_money

              Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama raised more than $51 million in July and the Democratic National Committee reported $27.7 million in donations last month, putting Obama in a strong position for the fall campaign.

              [snip]

              The RNC said Friday it had brought in nearly $26 million in July…

              [end cite]

              So not only is the DNC not “broke,” but it raised more $$ than the RNC last month.

              That’s DNC $$ that’s _not_ linked to Obama’s fundraising.

              • Hope Floats

                And in case you didn’t get the memo, the Democratic party is the Obamaessiah himself and nobody else. Get your royal petitions ready.

      • http://! Buzz Latte

        NO matter. it still didn’t happen and now the DNC is broke. Hillary’s deep pockets decided not to play and Obama didn’t take public funding and NOW the FEC is investigating:

        Doodad

        Not to mention the lawsuit brought forth by Phillip Berg – a DNC loyalist – so the GOP don’t have to bother.

        Man overboard! This baby is going down!

        You still didn’t answer the question about the six inches…

      • Peggy Sue

        For all the money the “One” is supposedly raising and spending, the numbers are static. So keep on keeping on. He outspent Hillary Clinton 3,4-1 in the big Dem states and still lost.

        You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a porker.

        • PKJAYNE

          Hillary stomped him. Cash doesn’t mean anything without substance.

    • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

      Heh – Well, we all know he brought on one top notch fundraiser in Biden :)

  • Monet

    Moveon.org is giving away free Obama/Biden bumper stickers. I’d ordered one for two reasons:

    1. Some day when I’m teaching my grandchildren to be wary of candidates like George Bush and Barack Obama, it’ll be a nice visual aid.

    2. Moveon.org states: “We may share your name, address and phone number (but not, under any circumstances, email address) with Catalist LLC, a voter registration database, for the sole purpose of get-out-the-vote activities.”

    I’m curious if I’ll start receiving email and snail mail from ACORN. I was naughty and gave them a faux phone number, I refuse to clutter up my answering machine with ACORN fronts.

    Anyone else who wants a free Obama/Biden bumper sticker to throw darts at, auction off at Ebay to the Obamabots or to keep for political lessons in the future:

    https://political.moveon.org/barackstickers/?id=13561-4605690-n04sk2x&t=4

    There’s a little counter that indicates how many have been ordered, so far over 79k. Maybe people are ordering them to tape the mouths shut of the Obamabots in their lives.

    • Monet

      Another reason to order a bumper sticker is the more free ones that Moveon.org has to mail (for free) to people who aren’t voting for Senator Obama, the less money they have for campaigning for Obama. All those 50 cents do add up.

      • Pink Panther

        Put NO in from of Obama/Biden.

        Many of us did this to the Bush/Cheney labels in 2004.

        • Tuppence 411

          I say put FU in front of Obama!

          • Pink Panther

            That’s another possibility.

        • Ariana Huffington

          Maybe BideNObama

      • btintaos

        Aren’t you wickedly clever?

    • http://deleted OBSP

      I live in Chicago and only see the bumper sticker on the cars driven by old hippies. I think because they were charging for everything those 1st time little donor could not afford them. Move On just wants your information so they can fill you mail box. I joined them in 2004 for the Kerry campaign and they sold/gave my information to every canidate. I moved and had to go with cable service and my email address changed so I’m not on their radar. I’m telling you that bumper stiker will cost in the end.

      • Monet

        Moveon.org obtained my email address and physical address in 2004 when I bought Springsteen tickets for the Moveon.org concerts staged in battleground states to encourage people to vote for Kerry. They’ve given my email address to more than a few elected democrats and organizations. Some I’ve opted off of their lists, others I’ve stayed on. With the email address, most don’t send snail mail and so far, my phone has been safe.

  • JohninCA

    The republicans are just waiting for BHO to be locked in as the nominee; getting Biden is a bonus for being patient– now all 57 states have to be put on gaffe alert.

    • TwoTermObama

      The ultimate republican gaffe will come when John McCain is finally unmuzzled long enough to talk on television and starts letting America know who he REALLY is. Hello President Obama!

      If elected president, McCain has pledged to be the anti-choice movement’s faithful ally: “If I am fortunate enough to be elected as the next President of the United States, I pledge to you to be a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement.” [Statement by Sen. McCain read by Sen. Sam Brownback at the March for Life in Washington, DC, January 22, 2008.]

      • Donna Brazile

        Yo TwoTimer:

        Where’s that change you’ve been promised? LMAO!

        Obama had to pick daddy to help him in the polls.

        Stop the hate!

        • beebop

          And … just wondering why he couldn’t find someone who actually was in the Senate and voted AGAINST the WAR?

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          …and daddy loves to hear himself talk and talk and talk.

          Wait till they remind everybody who was responsible for the bankrputcy reform that keeps poor bastards on the hook for life, compliments of Joe Biden, who is owned by a certain credit card company known as MBNA in Delaware. His son Hunter used to work for them. But he doesn’t anymore. But funny, he still gets a 100,000 a year “consulting’ fee from them. Around his parts Joe is Credit Card Joe.

      • Ms J in FL

        twotermOputang
        ooooh boogla boogla!!! roe v wade.
        it ain’t goin anywhere. go scare some girlies your own age.

      • Ms J in FL
        • Leisa

          That is sad… he in encouraging kids to talk to strangers on his behalf.

          Girl Scouts do not go door to door selling cookies for a reason.

      • JohninCA

        Any politician who gets elected by offering a bunch of “free” stuff is a con man. That’s how con men work, you know.

        • PKJAYNE

          200,000 Drunk Germans liked him.

      • http://deleted OBSP

        This is what people do not understand about abortion rights, it does not matter as much as it did in the 80′s and 90′s. With advances in medicine there are so few performed those doctor have to now perform plastic surgery. Especially, if we have a veto proof congress and they have the balls to finally pass a bill, it will never matter again. The dems want to keep this an issue, like the right want to keep it an issue.

      • vinnie

        after hearing about Barry’s 3 time vote for the live birth abortion, not sure which will offend Americans more. Heard that nurse talk about it TwoTimer? heart wrenching. Bye bye Barry.

      • rw

        I’m a liberal, pro-life, anti-war, universal health care, big gov. voter and am voting for McCain. In what form does the phrase: the primary was an undemocratic fraud” need to be expressed for the thickies to get it.

        • Peggy Sue

          I’m with you, fit the same demographic. As for the question? The Obamatrons will never get it.

      • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

        This is absolutely hysterical.

        The women who need to keep a woman’s right to choose with full privacy are the exact women who decided to force the inexperienced candidate onto the democratic ticket.

        Obama has already proven through a variety of his votes that he doesn’t give a darn about the people. The Obama yoot need to review the FISA bill. You have a long time to live with that!

        Pay attention!!

        • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

          LOL Grape, they stuck it to themselves. Pure. Genius.

      • Hope Floats

        Somehow Obama being afraid to debate McCain is now seen as muzzling. He has been holding townhalls *in this country* giving interviews and doing his job in the Senate. How was he muzzled? Are you on glue?

  • simanov

    Biden is just being used as a facade as in, hey we’re not a bunch of radicals, look we got Joe Biden on the team. If elected, it will be just a stand by job, in case Obama goes down. After all, Chaney is an exception to the rule. This guy is going to be so out of the loop.

  • katmandu

    Here’s an article examining Biden’s truthfulness when it came to his resume, from some paper called the New York Times:

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4D91F3CF931A1575AC0A961948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

    But Political Punch has a nice summary:

    Campaigning for president in New Hampshire in 1987, Biden admitted he had misstated several facts about his resume after a man named Frank questioned his Syracuse Law School resume.

    ”I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do,” Biden responded.

    He added that he ”went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,” adding that he ”ended up in the top half” of his class (not true) and ”graduated with three degrees from college” (not true).

    Five months later, Biden acknowledged that he graduated 76th in a class of 85. ”I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inaccurate,” he said in a statement. He graduated with one degree — a B.A. — in two majors, history and political science.

    ”I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Biden told the New York Times, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me…’I guess every single word I’ve ever said is going to be dissected now.”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/joe-bidens-mout.html

  • Mr. X

    All I have to say is: BIDEN!!! HAHAHAHA!!!

    Not only that, but Obamabots will have Obama/Biden slogans. They’ll be rebuking their own platform of hope and change. HAHAHAHA!!! I can’t stop laughing. Obama is forcing all his supporters to be flip floppers too. They stood for change before they were against it before they were for it.

    HAHAHAHA!!!!

    HA!

    Biden?!!! OMG!!!

    This is the best news I’ve heard in ages.

  • Sassy

    Thanks Bud!
    Kerry’s campaign claimed they did not have funds to respond to the “swift-boat” ads.
    BO is going to go on a budget, now that it’s apparent the Republicans aren’t going to crawl under the porch, with their tails between their legs!!!
    We were being plastered with ads here in TN. even though McCain is up by 15 points!

    • http://deleted OBSP

      Kerry had 14M left after the campaign ended. That’s why the dems were so angry at him. But, they blamed Bill Clinton for not getting out of his sick bed to campaign for him

      • dg

        “But, they blamed Bill Clinton for not getting out of his sick bed to campaign for him”

        “They” did? Who is “they,” and can you provide an iota of evidence?

    • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

      Isn’t it amazing? Obama wants to play with the big dogs, but he doesn’t have a clue.

      He is the one who put out the negative ads against Hillary, and he bad-mouthed her in every stump speech. He didn’t notice that she wasn’t mentioning him (though she did speak to some of his “policies”). Her double-digit wins were proof positive that he, and his campaign manager, are clueless on how to succeed against the Republicans. Obama was using Rove’s game plan.

      Let’s not kid ourselves that he WON anything.

      He’s the one who started the negative ads against McCain, too!

      The biggest problem should Obama win this whole thing is that Obama burns bridges and carries grudges. How is he going to manage this country with that kind of attitude?

  • Phil

    Just pointing at proof of an observation that’s been made many times.

    Here’s Obama, this morning, in front of a teleprompter (you can see one the the TP’s to his right)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqpIe1bC6tA&eurl

    Here’s Obama, without a teleprompter
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47sO1TCVmE

    and again,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqcnjxYiG7M

    What does this tell you? It tells me that Obama doesn’t have the weight of CONVICTION behind his words. He’s all caught up in winning folks over – always looking over his shoulder for the “right” thing to say.

    A final irony, in the video that shows Obama stuttering through a question about medical care, little did he realize at the time that he would selswct Joe Biden as his potential VP, with Biden having voted for legislation that keeps certain families form getting medical care, and protecting poor families that get in too deep with medical bills because they don’t have insurance.

    Delaware is one of the centers of big finance in America. That’s little understood by most Americans. It WON’T be little understood if McCain does his job.

    Biden is no friend of the little guy. That needs to be pointed out over and over again.

    Biden’s weakness on a Supreme Court appointment led to Clarence Thomas appointment. TRevisiting the Thomas-Hill hearings: http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1602/Graves/Graves.html

    We will get more of the SAME LAME crap that the progressive Left has dished out whenever it has come to power. The one candidate that was largely right about America’s future (Carter, even though he was weak on some other issues) was left to twist in the wind by the Progressive Left.

    We don’t want effete elitists running this country. That’s just as bad as the bumbler that currently works from the Oval Office.

    Wake up, Obamatans!

    • standard

      Phil, your comment was selected for “Gem of the Day” in the New Wave Democrats blog.
      httpCOLON//newwavedemocratsDOTwordpressDOTcom/comment-of-the-day/

  • carl

    “DO YOU KNOW ENOUGH?”

    this is the ad CNN refused to run:

    http://workingmannews.com/
    cats and ads out of the bag!

  • katmandu

    Some political trivia from “The Swamp”:

    The political director of Biden’s brief 1988 campaign? Bill Daley, the brother of the Chicago mayor.

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/bidens_illinois_and_daley_ties.html

  • Obama is a bum

    The Obama campaign is truly pathetic. Everything Obama claimed to be he wasn’t. And when it came down to this so-called new politics and getting away from the establishment Obama picks the biggest insider in Washington — Biden has 35 years in the Senate.

    Of course I was way ahead of the curve and I had Obama pegged last year. I feel sorry for those who thought Obama was some kind of messiah and found out he is nothing but a quack. But I feel even more sorry for the deadheads who are still supporting this bum — for them only major surgery can clear up their heads.

  • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

    In my email today:

    I want to tell you about an exciting program we’re launching in California. It’s called Camp Obama.

    During this two-day session, people like you will be taking their support for this movement to the next level by learning the organizing principles that this campaign and our movement for change are built on.

    Camp Obama attendees will receive real world organizing experience that will have a direct impact on this election. Graduates of Camp Obama will go on to become Deputy Field Organizers who will lead this campaign to victory in crucial battleground states around the country. (my emphasis throughout)

    Find out more about this exciting opportunity to take a leadership role in this movement for change.

    By participating in Camp Obama, you’ll get the kind of experience that Barack got as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago, where he learned that real change happens from the bottom up.

    That experience transformed Barack’s life and made him who he is today.

    Camp Obama is your chance to put those very same principles into action – to win this election and to strengthen democracy in communities around the country.

    After completing the program, you’ll be required to work as a Deputy Field Organizer in a battleground state where you’ll be organizing supporters and helping lead our grassroots Get Out The Vote operation.

    Apply for a spot at a Camp Obama near you and become a leader in our movement for change: http://ca.barackobama.com/CampObamaCA

    This campaign relies on the passion and enthusiasm of ordinary supporters, but it needs leaders who can organize those supporters and turn their enthusiasm into votes on Election Day. Camp Obama is your chance to step up and become a leader in this movement.

    Reading this I was thinking…hmmm that should be Deputy Field Commander…just like in real live war…oh wait Obama is the peace guy. OK, maybe not. Anyone want to sign up for Saul Alinsky style training on how to intimidate, threaten and bully your way through a campaign? It is, after all, what made Obama who he is today.

    • http://medusa2.wordpress.com/ Medusa

      I wonder if Baldur von Schirach will be running the training?

      I’m so glad Hillary is not vp, because I will never vote for The Fraud.

    • Ms J in FL

      Hitlerjugend? or maybe something like the Putin youth cult, NASHI? they get para-military training too. those were the fanatics that provoked riots in Estonia. perhaps Obama knows more about foreign policy than he’s revealing.

    • Monet

      Annie’s email: “After completing the program, you’ll be required to work as a Deputy Field Organizer in a battleground state”

      I wonder what happens if I sign up, attend and then decide I don’t want to be a Deputy Field Organizer or I decide to put my new knowledge to work at electing McCain? Will I be jailed? Have crosses burned in my yard? Will they sue me?

      The word “required” doesn’t sit well with me. I want to know the penalties if I decide being a Deputy Field Organizer for Obama is just plain silly.

      • http://safari AnnieCarmel

        Well, considering their past (and current too) tactics, I woudn’t give my correct home address…maybe use a pseudonym as well! They aren’t scary on the page, but I wouldn’t put much past “true believers”. It’s what fanatics do…threaten and intimidate.

      • Ms J in FL

        whatever you do, don’t raise your right hand & swear to protect & defend. they used that trick on me at the Naval recruiting station. the day that lasted 4 years.

    • Obama is a bum

      Camp Obama — that is where the pod people come from.

    • DeniseB

      “By participating in Camp Obama, you’ll get the kind of experience that Barack got as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago, where he learned that real change happens from the bottom up.

      And then you too will be qualified to be president!

      • Hope

        LOL :)

    • Peggy Sue

      Just another nail in the coffin. What is my party doing????? What sort of insanity is this?

      Beyond creepy. If the Obama folks so love symbolism don’t they realize what “Camp Obama” conjures up?

      Or is it truly the case that these people have no sense of history? They certainly have no sense of shame.

      Makes my skin crawl.

  • Phil

    Two term Obama said: “The ultimate republican gaffe will come when John McCain is finally unmuzzled long enough to talk on television and starts letting America know who he REALLY is.” –

    THis is so naive I don’t know where to begin. First, Obama has shown that he’s will to let babies who are born live, die from “official neglect”. That’s barbaric.

    I say this as a supporter of a woman’s right to choose. No matter how Obama spins it, he voted for a piece of legislation that supported that action.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080731185948AAzkisn

    Also, this is ultimately going to boil down to a state’s right’s issue.

    Last, medical technology is moving so fast in this area that the days are fast approaching when women are going to be able to independently, without a doctor, safely end a pregnancy in the early stages. That will make Roe vs. Wade largely moot.

    So get another platform to holler from, and wake up to the fraud that Obama is.

    • Dan R.

      Mark my words: Obama’s vote on that bill is going to turn into a BIG problem for him. Why? It goes beyond the abortion issue per se. It goes right to the issue of what kind of person he is. What kind of human being would vote against legislation intended to ensure that a defenseless baby who has made it outside the womb won’t die from deliberate neglect? The fact that he was the ONLY member of the Illinois state senate to vote against it only makes it that more glaring. The Repubs are gonna have some serious fun with this one.

      • simanov

        He was more concerned with the issue of liability on behalf of the doctors who perform the abortions. Was that at the same time Michelle was on the hospital’s board?

      • simanov

        I wonder if anyone knows when did Michelle get the big pay raise at the hospital? How close is that date to the date of the vote?

        • sowsear

          I believe she got the raise when he was elected to the Senate or thereabouts. BO was able to get a big grant for the hospital when he actually went to the Senate.

      • JohninCA

        Speaking as a pro-life person (although not a Republican), “fun” isn’t the word I’d use. Obama’s position represents the most chilling, cold blooded cynicism: ideology trumping morality, every last vestige of humane instinct, and the slightest human decency.

      • vinnie

        and to hear that audio of him talking how it would inconvenienced the doctor or staff to take care of that baby is so damn cold.

      • http://safari AnnieCarmel

        This entire issue is so revolting to me that I have begun to re-examine my stance on pro-choice. I do not approve of late term abortion except to save the mother’s life. I guess I haven’t been following just how far the extreme left has pushed the bar. The story of the live birth abortions is so distressing…even for Down’s Syndrome. Who on earth could support that?

        Obviously, we’d all prefer that all people have access to birth control and use it. Wouldn’t it be great if abortion became relatively obsolete as an outcome of people being responsible? Abortion is a heartbreaker.

        • Ms J in FL

          get a grip. no doctor is going to refuse treatment to a live baby. the legislation was redundant. hopefully the McCain crew won’t waste to much time blowing this issue up. he won’t win by harping on one single issue.

          • Hope

            There was a nurse who spoke directly to congress regarding the bills(s) on this issue that Obama voted against. This practice was occurring. This nurse held a baby for 45 minutes so he didn’t die alone.
            You should get a grip- on reality.
            Bad things happen, evil exists and our lawmakers
            need to be responsible.

          • Hope Floats

            There is no such thing as redundant legislation. Infants were being shelved to die, because it was “easier” and cheaper and nobody was going to complain, so they thought. But even if it were, then why not vote against infanticide again? The evidence piled up on Obama’s role in blocking BAIPA reveals a shocking lack of compassion.

        • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

          You might want to take a trip over to Hillary’s web site and sign her petition to stop the Bush administration from considering birth control an abortion. Can you imagine having birth control unavailable when women also don’t have the right to choose?

          We’ve all wondered why medical insurance covers Viagra but not the pill…such a crazy world we live in, huh?

          • MEchelle Hates America!

            I can’t understand why insurance covers wildly expensive fertility treatments, but not birth control pills.

      • Peggy Sue

        I think you’re right, Dan. I am and have always been pro-choice, but I’ve never been a absolutist. I think this vote [and available audio] and Obama’s inability to answer the question about “when life begins” with clarity and any sense of moral direction will haunt him throughout the campaign. The whining over McCain possibly not being in the “cone of silence” during the Saddlebrook forum doesn’t wash on this question. Anyone running for high office needs to know where he or she stands without hesitation or “artful” u-turns.

        Obama failed miserably. It was an embarrassing answer to listen to and the history on his voting past is quite simply–appalling. But then, he had lobbyists to consider.

        How ironic. The non-lobby candidate, the man who will never be swayed by “special interests” being skewered by his own words and votes.

        What an absolute fraud!

      • Hope Floats

        It seemed TUCC was very connected to Christ Hospital where the baby killing was happening.

        http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/03/obama_wright_an.html

        Obama cynically recommended a “neonatal Soylent Green killing room” when Jill Stanek described the way the circumstances and conditions of the infants being shelved to die.

        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67328

  • Lin

    Not sure if you can truly understand the significance in this if you don’t live here, but it was quite eye-opening:

    I live in Austin, Texas, an Obama strong hold, and today I saw a *NOBAMA* sticker on someone’s car. This, combined with one I saw a week ago that had a picture of Obama and the words: *You will be disappointed* next to the image, says there are some disgruntled ex-Obama supporters that are pissed on his flips (e.g. FISA). Selecting a 30-year, old-school Washingtonian as a side-kick won’t sit well, either.

    Clinton 2012!!

  • NoBO

    Awesome new video, h/t HillBuzz:

    YES WE CAN – by Barack Obama – Biden 2008

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX2j6FIszko

    Source of info on Obama tactics:

    http://www.stentorian.com/Obama/

  • katmandu

    Because I cannot resist anagrams, here are two for Biden/Obama:

    A Dean bimbo
    Aid me, nabob

  • Dan R.

    THis is yet more evidence that Mitt Romney would be McCain’s best pick. One of the few negatives to Romney is that his Mormon faith might turn off some southern evangelicals. Well, McCain won’t need that small minority of intolerant retards to win the south, as the Obama campaign’s “readjustment” of its advertising strategy demonstrates.

    • http://deleted OBSP

      BO does not believe in Christmas presents for his children. What does that make him?

      • Ms J in FL

        Jehovah Witness? they don’t give Christmas presents either. I don’t think we want to insult them too. they ususally swing right.

    • Liz B

      If you were more than a retard yourself you’d know that all roads to the White House go through the South. IF you don’t win the South you won’t win the WH. That being said, a Morman VP is a far lesser of two evils to Southern Evangelicals than a baby killing, half African from a Black theologian church who just took on a VP who is even more of an elitist than BO.

      • Steve_in_KC

        I find this comment to be very astute! In fact, I was getting weary of reading here for so long without ANYONE bringing up the SOUTH! I’m a midwesterner, so I don’t have a “Dixie” bone in my body. But Liz B is right on the money with this observation. No Democrat can possibly win the WH without some southern blood or a southern VP. With BO’s exotic mix, honed by his Hahvahd education, linked with a New England liberal like Biden, this goose is cooked!!

    • sowsear

      I’m not crazy about Mormon males having the final say in the family and their church. Of course. I’m not crazy about the Catholic Church either. I want all females to be whatever they are capable of, anywhere, anytime. (Soon would be good) If I am forced to vote for McCain, I’d rather he chose someone where there are a minimum of religious or gender issues. McCain needs to win this election. I’m hoping the Republicans still know how to pull out all of the stops because BO folks are trying mightily to out-Rove them.

    • Hope Floats

      The southern evangelicals are skeptical on Mormonism, and plenty of people have been offended by stranger knocking on their door at dinnertime and telling them they’re wrong about God. The real problem with Mitt Romney is he has not always been pro-life. He is seen as phony and elitist.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/#more.3665 pumawhisper

    Lets see now, Joe Biden got 9,000 votes when he ran for president, and Hillary got 18 MILLION votes.

    Smooth move Obama, GOOD JUDGEMENT?????????????????

    YOU DECIDE?

    • http://thepedagogue-7449.blogspot.com/ GrapeApe

      And, if Hillary had dropped out before Biden, he would not have been the one to pick up her supporters!!

      It is sooooo obvious Obama is just not ready! Then, Caroline Kennedy as the vetting committee chairperson?! She’s less qualified than Obama to make high level government decisions. Sheesh!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Here’s how weak the Obama “Change the map” argument is:

    So far, two states that went for Bush in 2004 are leaning towards BHO — Iowa and New Mexico.

    Want to know how much Bush won those states by in 2004?

    1%, each.

    Forget about Nevada, particularly if McCain picks Romney. That’s not happening.

    So Barack Obama’s incredible, unbelievable map changing presence looks to amount to around 2%, total, in two states. And that is with Dubya at record disapproval levels and the generic Dem running around 10 points higher than the generic GOP candidate.

    Oh, and he could lose two Kerry states, Michigan and New Hampshire.

    There’s your map changer right there.

    • http://deleted OBSP

      Paul, he threw Bill Richardson under the bus and Bill threw Hill and Bill under.

      • Hope Floats

        Carville’s Judas comment made headlines. No one wants anything to do with Bill Richardson now.

    • dg

      “So Barack Obama’s incredible, unbelievable map changing presence looks to amount to around 2%, total, in two states.”

      Pollster.com:

      Current Toss-Up states won by Bush in 2000 and 2004:

      Alaska (3 EV): Obama 44.6, McCain 41.9
      Nevada (5 EV): Obama 43.4, McCain 42.8
      Montana (3 EV): Obama 48.3, McCain 45.2
      Colorado (9 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 43.8
      Ohio (20 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 42.7
      Virginia (13 EV): Obama 45.6, McCain 44.4

      That’s six states that were beyond Gore’s or Kerry’s reach. All are within range in ’08.

      Then there are the states won by Bush in 2004 that are solidly in Obama’s column today:

      Iowa (7 EV): Obama 48.5, McCain 42.0
      NM (5 EV): Obama 48.1, McCain 40.3

      Oh, and Michigan and NH:

      Michigan (17 EV): Obama 46.7, McCain 40.2
      NH (4 EV): Obama 45.7, McCain 44.1

      McCain is, at the moment, picking up zero Kerry states.

      Pollster.com’s electoral tally — NOT including any of the above states BUT Michigan, Iowa, and NH:

      Obama 260
      McCain 176

      Obama’s road to 270 is far easier than McCain’s. All he needs are various combinations of the smaller states that add up to 10 more EV than he already has. And picking up _just_ VA will do the trick.

      “There’s your map changer right there.”

      Indeed.

      • http://! Buzz Latte

        pollster.com data dated when????

        I’d take what Paul writes over the pathetic obot attempts at “dialogue” anyday.

        Get some new information dg

        • dg

          “pollster.com data dated when????”

          Taken from today, Buzz Latte.

          “I’d take what Paul writes over the pathetic obot attempts at “dialogue” anyday.”

          Believe what you wish. I’ll rely on facts.

          “Get some new information dg”

          Can’t get more recent than today, Buzz.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

            False argument, but you knew that.

            On this date in 2004, Kerry had 286 electoral votes in his sights. He had Iowa, New Mexico and Florida all in his corner.

            Barack, today, is looking at 264 EV’s. That would be 12 more than what Kerry and Edwards ended up receiving, and the difference would come from New Mexico (5) and Iowa (7).

            You follow?

            So if you go by this day, not only is Barack not a positive map changer, he’s losing ground to John Kerry’s map.

            It’s not about what is ‘within distance,’ it’s about what he has right now according to the ‘map’ he’s supposed to be changing. Ask Kerry about speculation.

            Bush won both Iowa and New Mexico 50-49% Can Barry flip that 1% in each state in the fall? We’ll see. At this point in time Kerry was up 7 in New Mexico. What’s Barack up, 4?

            If I wanted to speculate, I’d say Mac can do more map changing than Obama. He can take Michigan, New Hampshire, PA, and MN. All are ‘up for grabs’ and all went blue in 2004.

            Barry isn’t changing anything. He is lagging behind Kerry’s pace and is currently losing the EV race to McCain 274-264 according to Real Clear Politics:

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

            Barry is 22 EV’s behind Kerry’s pace at this time. He is not only not changing the map, he is on pace to both lose the election and end up in a worse spot than did Kerry.

            Those are the facts, today.

            I think your Kool-Aid is ready, so I would suggest a refueling.

            The map changer at the end of this contest looks to be John McCain. He’s making inroads in PA and NH, and picking Romney helps immediately solidify NV and make MI that much more doable, especially with Kwame ‘Thug Life’ Kilpatrick around in The D.

            Buzz Latte, don’t be fooled by the ‘bot sophistry. The technical term for what the $7/hour chap is trying to do is ‘bamboozling,’ or, if your prefer, ‘hoodwinking.’

            Obama is behind Kerry’s pace and he’s about 8 points off the generic Dem vs the generic Republican. With the current political climate, Barry should be dominating. Not only is he not, he is being reeled in and he has seen 5 states (CO, FL, IN, OH, VA) have all turned red in the last two weeks. Obama is pulling ads in several states, crying uncle. MO is lost, and PA is slipping.

            And we haven’t even brought up The Bradley Effect.

            If the election were held today, McCain is the next President.

            274-264.

            How far will Barry fall? We’ll see. But the combination of the firestorm he has created with Hillary supporters in the last 24 hours plus his disastrous pick of Biden (see my latest YouTube video) is not going to help him.

            Kerry was up 22 on Barry on this date. Kerry ended with a dozen less EV’s than Barry has today. Between today in 2004 and where he ended up, Kerry lost 34 EV’s. Barry has lost 80 – eighty! – in the last 2 weeks to Mac. When all is said and done, he could well hope that he only drops the 12 EV’s from where he sits today to Kerry’s 252.

            • dg

              “On this date in 2004, Kerry had 286 electoral votes in his sights. He had Iowa, New Mexico and Florida all in his corner.”

              On this date in 2004, Kerry was being plummeted with the Swift Boat smears and never adequately responded to them. He ended up losing all three states. The dynamics this cycle are different, where Iowa and NM are far stronger in the Obama column than they were in Kerry’s in ’04.

              “It’s not about what is ‘within distance,’ it’s about what he has right now according to the ‘map’ he’s supposed to be changing”

              “Right now,” Obama is competitive in states Kerry never seriously competed ’04: Alaska, Montana, Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina. Will he win all of them? Unlikely; but he’ll force McCain to spend his limited funds in some of those states, depleting what he’ll need for others.

              “Bush won both Iowa and New Mexico 50-49% Can Barry flip that 1% in each state in the fall? We’ll see. At this point in time Kerry was up 7 in New Mexico. What’s Barack up, 4?”

              Pollster.com has NM Obama +7.8 (48.1 to 40.3)

              “If I wanted to speculate, I’d say Mac can do more map changing than Obama. He can take Michigan, New Hampshire, PA, and MN. All are ‘up for grabs’ and all went blue in 2004.”

              The probability of his taking _any_ of those states, save NH, is slim. “Right now,” Obama is leading McCain by 6.5 in Michican, 1.6 in NH, 7.3 in PA, and 7.5 in MN (Pollster.com).

              And Biden will cement PA for Obama.

              “Those are the facts, today.”

              According only to RealClearPolitics, you mean. Contradicted by Pollster.com. And fivethirtyeight.com as well, btw.

              “I think your Kool-Aid is ready, so I would suggest a refueling.”

              Haw! Zinger! Classy, Paul.

              “The map changer at the end of this contest looks to be John McCain. He’s making inroads in PA and NH…”

              We haven’t yet seen the fallout from his “I’ll have my staff get back to you on that” remark. Let’s see where the states are a week after both conventions.

              “…and picking Romney helps immediately solidify NV and make MI that much more doable…”

              Probably NV, I agree. MI, I’m not so sure, since his multi-home residency will only add to the “out-of-touch” narrative. Then there’ll be the similar ads that the McCain campaign is running re Biden’s primary criticisms of Obama. Do you seriously think that the Obama campaign won’t bring up the McCain/Romney primary soundbites?

              “The technical term for what the $7/hour chap is trying to do is ‘bamboozling,’ or, if your prefer, ‘hoodwinking.’”

              Haw! Another zinger! Good one.

              Stick to analysis, Paul; the childish putdowns don’t become you.

              “And we haven’t even brought up The Bradley Effect.”

              Ah, the “Bradley Effect.” See “The Persistent Myth of the Bradley Effect” here:

              http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html

              “But the combination of the firestorm he has created with Hillary supporters in the last 24 hours plus his disastrous pick of Biden (see my latest YouTube video) is not going to help him.”

              “Firestorm”? You mean the five to six outraged Clinton supporters whom Fox is always eager to have on its shows? Part of the same tens of folks who attended the PUMA “convention” in DC? Or the $6 to 10 million that Bower claimed –on Fox, no less — PUMA had raised to eliminate Senator Clinton’s debt?

              I love it — “firestorm.”

          • Hope Floats

            You’ll rely on facts from pollster.com. I’ve never heard it referenced in an article or an interview as a reliable source. But believe whatever you wish.

            • dg

              “You’ll rely on facts from pollster.com. I’ve never heard it referenced in an article or an interview as a reliable source.”

              I’m not sure what you’re reading then. Pollster.com is an established, credible site respected for its non-partisan numbers and analyses. Do a Google search if you’re curious.

      • Steve1

        Dg Soetoro spend how much in the Penn primary? Wow he lost…get a clue-foolish BOT!

        • dg

          “Dg Soetoro spend how much in the Penn primary? Wow he lost…get a clue-foolish BOT!”

          You’re missing the bigger picture: Ask yourself how much money he forced the Clinton campaign to spend in PA, money they then didn’t have for NC and Indiana, the results that essentially ended her bid.

          But continue with the name-calling; that’ll further your argument.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

            No, it is you who is missing the bigger picture, dg.

            There is a reason why Senator Soetoro just pulled out of Floida and several other states with his ads, and that reason is not because he bled Hillary’s coffers.

            It’s because he had to drop 3-to-1 coin himself there to lose by only 10 points, and after he reneged on public financing there’s only so much cash that can be sent from Palestine or other sources.

            Money can buy Barry love, or votes in Missouri or Florida.

            Nor can it erase Rezko, or Ayers, or Odinga, or Auchi, or Wright, or Pfleger, or Meeks, or Kilpatrick, or …

            I hope you’ve had fun, dg. Because BiBama will be going Bye-bye’s in November, and it will be back to the Senate for the defeated Illinois junior senator.

            The Biden pick was perfect…for John McCain.

            Enjoy.

            • dg

              “There is a reason why Senator Soetoro just pulled out of Floida and several other states with his ads, and that reason is not because he bled Hillary’s coffers.”

              This is a non-sequitur: Temporarily pulling out of the the said states during the Dem convention has utterly nothing to do with depleting Hillary’s finances in Pennsylvania. You’re conflating apples and shoe horns.

              “It’s because he had to drop 3-to-1 coin himself there to lose by only 10 points, …”

              Which he was able to well-afford, and Hillary wasn’t. As borne out in the shellacking she took in NC, after which she had pinned her hopes on at least coming close, and the squeaker win in Indiana, which stopped whatever momentum she had hoped to gain from a solid win.

              “…and after he reneged on public financing there’s only so much cash that can be sent from Palestine or other sources.”

              Uh-oh — the conspiratorial scent has arisen.’Sent from Palestine?”

              For a moment I thought you were a serious, lucid analyst. No longer. Thanks for keeping my head straight.

              “Nor can it erase Rezko, or Ayers, or Odinga, or Auchi, or Wright, or Pfleger, or Meeks, or Kilpatrick, or …”

              Yes, yes — don’t forget Obama’s role in Foster, Brown, Tully, and the recent passing of wonderful Rep. Tubbs.

              “I hope you’ve had fun, dg”

              I’m having a blast, Paul. Thanks for the welcome.

          • Hope Floats

            She won Indiana and was never expected to win North Carolina with it high % of AA voters. Dumbass.

            • dg

              “She won Indiana and was never expected to win North Carolina with it high % of AA voters”

              I never said she “expected to win” North Carolina.” But she did hope to cut into his lead and make a respectable showing. That, plus her slim win in Indiana took the air out of whatever momentum she hoped to maintain.

              http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89990582

              “Both Clinton and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama are campaigning in North Carolina, which has its primary May 6. Obama has a sizable lead in the polls, but Clinton is making an aggressive effort to cut into it, in part by targeting the same kinds of voters who helped her win last week in Pennsylvania.”

              [end cite]

              “Dumbass.”

              Ah, there it is.

      • Peggy Sue

        Indeed, dg!

        Yet Real Clear Politics [a pollster we've been told by several Obamatrons is the "only" pollster that counts]:

        Ohio: McCain 47.5; -46.5 Obama [McCain up by +1]
        Virginia: McCain 46.3; Obama 45.7 [McCain up + .06}
        Nevada: McCain 45.0; Obama 43.7 [McCain up +1.3}
        Colorado: McCain 45.8; Obama 48.3 [McCain up by +0.5.]
        Missouri: McCain 49.7; Obama 43.7 [McCain up by +0.5.]
        New Hampshire: Obama 44.0; McCain 43.7 [Obama up by 0.03+ where Hillary killed, I might add].
        Florida: McCain 47.4; Obama 44.8 [McCain up by + 2.6]

        Alarmed yet? You should be! Because the war has just begun.

        In this political atmosphere, considering the electorate’s mood, the Dem candidate should be at least 10 points ahead everywhere. But he’s not.

        He cannot close the deal, symptomatic of a losing ticket. And you might look at the electoral count for McCain at the moment: without tossups, McCain is at 274. Just as a reminder: 270 wins.

        You tell me why this is happening in a year where the Dems should be running away with a clear, indisputable win? It should be a no contest, no effort win.

        I’ll offer an answer: a ridicuously unsuitable, unqualified candidate!

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

          Spot on, Peggy Sue. Twirl the gun around and re-holster; another Astrotroll has bitten the dust, just as their Fake Messiah did by picking Lyin’ Joke Biden.

        • Hope Floats

          In all fairness, the Obama idiots gripe about RCP, but it’s still been spot on for many years.

        • http://! Buzz Latte

          Thank you Peggy Sue!

          I was looking for those!

  • Objective analysis

    How can an inexperienced IDIOT change a electoral map that is not field with eggheads, liberals and blacks as the major voting block?

  • Firelight

    Maybe BO & team do not want folks in red states to watch the convention, so they don’t want to remind them of the with commercials.

    • beebop

      I’m here in the Cleveland market and we are seeing plenty of Senator McCain’s ads. As a matter of fact, they are debuting new ones. Glad to think that my little $25 is going to help persuade my fellow Ohioians that Senator McCain is the correct choice for their family values.

      I think that to show the DNC how you feel, you might want to send $25 to the McCain campaign …

      • PKJAYNE

        Beebop I am here in Canton……….barry doesn’t have a chance in hell here.

  • Phil

    OK, I’m a NOBAMA guy, vut I have to take issue with negative comments about Saul Alinsky. Alinsky was a friend of the little guy, and is poorly understood by those who think he was a Soviet style lefty. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

    Corporations are NOT the “evil empire”, but some Do need to be reigned in – like big oil, pharma, medical care, etc.

    As I’ve said many times prior, I’m writing Hillary in. That said, McCain will be teh FAR less dangerous President, because he is passionate about his beliefs; Obama isn’t. We STILL don’t know what – if any – position Obama wouldn’t change if it helped him move toward more power and status.

  • Phil

    Another thing: McCain should continue with the comedic barbs pointed at Obama. There is NOTHING more effective against lefties, because they ALWAYS take themselves so seriously.

    Obama is weak on this point, because although HE doesn’t believe his positions – he keeps changing them – his believers do, and you can poke holes in a fraud by making fun of his inconsistencies in a way that doesn’t demean, but says something like “seriously folks, after all you’ve seen and heard, can you really trust this guy? What does he REALLY stand for?”

    Keep hammering that home and the doubt about Obama will crawl right smack-dab into the voting booth.

  • smiles

    It’s strange. I’ve grown numb to this whole process. When Biden was announced (before he was announced) I felt NOTHING. Not a thing! I was glad it wasn’t Hillary. I’m speechless as I don’t think it helps the ticket and it just looks like 2 guys running for President…just like always. Biden brings Obama’s energy down. Hillary would have brought Obama’s energy up. McCain has the opportunity to snatch it all. He needs a forward-looking VP mate. I don’t know enough about the Repubs to even know who. He could really energize this thing with his VP choice. It’s getting boring.

    • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

      smiles, I feel the same way. I just feel nothing really. Biden sucks, so does Obama, and I think it was a bad strategic move, though I am glad Hillary is not in the mix because I know Obama will lose no matter who is on his ticket.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    I think he’s moving the ads because it is a waste of money during convention week.

    Obama will have free media attention due to the convention.

    • beebop

      why only pull them from those states? that’s the part that seems strange?

  • PewL

    lol, More help from the audience, someone on Friday addressed Obama as Mr Mccain..lol… Obama said the name is easier for sure…..Now if everyone thought Obama was Mccain, that should also help the votes for Mccain.

  • beebop

    Funny thing.

    ABC news ran the ESPN Little League game. It ran so late that all we got was local news. No National coverage of “Smug and Plugs” …. hahahahahahaha

    • Hope Floats

      “Smug and Plugs” is hilarious!

  • emj

    If you haven’t seen this,check it out:

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2065855/posts

    It’s the suit filed Thurs. in Fed. Court in Philadelphia – Obama constitutionally ineligible for presidency.

    Here’s an excerpt from an interview yesterday aft. with the lawyer (Philip Berg) who filed the suit:

    “Sen. Obama really owes it to everyone to confront this. He should threaten me. “Berg,” he should say, “here are the documents and, if you do not withdraw the suit, I will sue you.” Right now, he has no basis to sue me. If he does have the documents, he should show them, and I’ll walk away. I’ll withdraw the case. But, again, he must show me a certified vault copy of his birth certificate and must show me a certified copy of the oath of allegiance taken between the time he was 19 to 21 at a Consulate, U.S. Embassy or the like. If those documents can be presented, again, I’m out of here. But I don’t think he can, I don’t think he will, and I think it is a total disgrace on his part.”

    I estimate that if Obama/his campaign can’t produce this stuff in 48 hours, he’s history. (And history shows that it’s the cover-up/lies that are the worst!)

  • Phil
  • fred

    Democrat sues Sen. Obama over ‘fraudulent candidacy’

    A prominent Pennsylvania Democrat has sued Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, is not eligible to be president of the United States.

    Philip J. Berg, a former member of Pennsylvania’s Democratic State Committee and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, filed the lawsuit this week in U.S District Court, asking the court to declare Obama ineligible for the presidency and to prevent him from running for the position
    Continue Reading http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • hmmm

    I hope the women and men of the DNC show their disssatisfaction with the DNC by unregistering their names from the Democratic Party list. Become Independents, republcans, anything. Just make sure the DEMS see that number of registrations go down. This is a slap in the face of women.

    Even Kennedy who hated Johnson recognize he could not just ignore voters and make him hi VP. Vote in your senate primaries and get rid of all those Oldsters who threw HRC over the clif for the young, ,clean cut, articluate handsome guy.

  • JM08

    Hey dg …

    Where did you get that polling data from ? themessiah.com ? You are giving fictional polls … Did you get a little to drunk on the koolaid last night ???

    • dg

      “Where did you get that polling data from ? themessiah.com ? You are giving fictional polls … Did you get a little to drunk on the koolaid last night ???”

      I see the denials are in full force.

      I supplied the link. Here it is again:

      pollster.com

      • JohninCA

        Pollster.com portrays Florida as a 1 point race. Johnny Mac is up six in the latest FL poll, just released.

        Pollster has O +7 in PA; the latest Ras says it’s a 3 point race. We’ll see how that lead fares once the infanticide, Ayers and Rezko ads hit the airwaves.

        • dg

          “Pollster.com portrays Florida as a 1 point race. Johnny Mac is up six in the latest FL poll, just released.”

          I don’t think Florida will matter to Obama for him to reach 270.

          “Pollster has O +7 in PA; the latest Ras says it’s a 3 point race.”

          Pollster weighs several polls, not just one.

          You neglected to include the most recent Susquehana and Franklin and Marshall College state polls, both of which have Obama leading by 5, 46-41.
          Zogby International has had an abysmal track record this cycle; they have the state 46-37 (Obama-McCain).

          “We’ll see how that lead fares once the infanticide, Ayers and Rezko ads hit the airwaves.”

          We’ve seen the McCain campaign so panicked over his “I’ll have my staff get to you” remark that they’ve already played their Ayers and Rezko cards — likely sooner than they would have liked — to zero effect.

          • StrawberrybitesBarky

            Um, not really…most people aren’t even paying attention yet. The Olympics, the end of summer, rushing around getting the kids ready for school. Only the wonks, such as ourselves, are paying close attention. And once the average joe does perk up and the 527s get the go ahead to really hamstring Barky, his numbers will take a face plant. He is already cringeworthy beyond all reason. I wake up every morning wondering how many more times barky can shoot off his johnson.

          • Hope Floats

            Obama must win Virginia, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico to give up Florida and Ohio. It’s a safe bet he’s not going to carry Florida.

            • dg

              “Obama must win Virginia, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico to give up Florida and Ohio. It’s a safe bet he’s not going to carry Florida.”

              No, he doesn’t have to win all of these states.

              Let’s go with the RealClearPolitics map, which folks here seem to prefer:

              Obama’s base states (including leaners that RCP gives him) totals 264 EV. That includes NM, but it doesn’t include Virginia, Nevada, Ohio, Florida, and Colorado. RCP gives all those states to McCain.

              Using the states you listed, he’ll need NM (already included in the 264) and Colorado (9 EV). That gets him to 273.

              Or let’s say he loses NM and Colorado. That takes his EV down to 259. So he needs 11 EV. Then Virginia only (13 EV) puts him over the top.

  • JM08

    Hey dg …

    Where did you get that polling data from ? themessiah.com ? You are giving fictional polls … Did you get a little to drunk on the koolaid last night ???

  • luis

    This pick says it all…”no one wanted to run with Sen. Obama…” Sen. Biden is already a sitting Senator with an unchallenged seat in Delaware. I personally believe Hillary told Obama to take a walk. Who would want to be Obama’s selection when we know all the facts that will be “found out” after the convention. This is our last chance. Superdelegates, please change your votes! Sen. Obama is too inexperienced, insincere, and inadequate for the Presidency.

  • Phil

    dg says “Obama’s road to 270 is far easier than McCain’s. All he needs are various combinations of the smaller states that add up to 10 more EV than he already has. And picking up _just_ VA will do the trick.”

    Another pathetic Obama HACK. How about reading THIS series of polls?

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/8/20/poll-numbers-are-bad-news-for-the-obama-campaign.html#read_more

    and

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

    Also, very reliable polls show McCain even, closing, or ALREADY AHEAD of Obama.

    The Obamatan technique of lying about poll results, just like they lied and stole caucus votes will not work.

    We PUMAs are going to hit HARD at Obama. MILLIONS ofo us will not vote for Obama at all, or vote for McCain.

    We’re going to point out the FRAUD that has been perpetrated on Americans in general, and Democrats in particular. We are going to use powerful guerilla techniques to crumble the Obama campaign.

    THE BATTLE HAS JUST BEGUN!!!!

    These Obama people, just like Obama, exaggerate and LIE to accomplish their objectives.

    NOBAMA!!!!!!

    • DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

      Starting MONDAY night at 9:30

      The MANNING REPORT

      Yes you read that right.

      James DAVID Manning now reporting the news for us. I can’t wait! LOL

      I mean it. I’m sick of the regular garbage lately. Watch his video. He explains it all!

      What a hoot!

    • dg

      “Another pathetic Obama HACK. How about reading THIS series of polls?

      http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/8/20/poll-numbers-are-bad-news-for-the-obama-campaign.html#read_more

      and

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

      It’s the same poll, genius. And I’ve already addressed this in another post, but it seems it requires repeating:

      This RealClearPolitics poll gives a number of toss-up states to McCain, despite the fact that Obama is currently leading in them (based on combined state polls). Such as Alaska, Nevada, Montana, Colorado, Virginia, and Ohio.

      Pollster.com:

      Current Toss-Up states won by Bush in 2000 and 2004:

      Alaska (3 EV): Obama 44.6, McCain 41.9
      Nevada (5 EV): Obama 43.4, McCain 42.8
      Montana (3 EV): Obama 48.3, McCain 45.2
      Colorado (9 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 43.8
      Ohio (20 EV): Obama 44.9, McCain 42.7
      Virginia (13 EV): Obama 45.6, McCain 44.4

      “We PUMAs are going to hit HARD at Obama.”

      How’d that convention go? Or the claimed $6-10 million?

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Wow, those are some sad numbers considering the Bush Factor.

      • Hope Floats

        RCP has McCain ahead in AK by 7 pts. The latest Ras has him up by 6 pts. And SUSA has McCain ahead by 5 pts. Research 2000 gave him 10 pts.

        Rasmussen has McCain up by 2 pts. in NV. The RCP avg is 1 pt.

        In MT the RCP average is McCain +5.3 pts. Rasmussen has them tied. While
        Mason-Dixon says McCain +8 pts. SUSA also has McCain +8 pts.

        Sigh. I hate you for being such a liar and making me post this.

        Every poll on RCP has McCain up by 1 pt. in VA.

        McCain is up by 1 pt. in CO and up 2 pts. according to Quinnipac/ WSJ.

        The 6 million claimed was not that far off. It was 2 million in June and 3 million in July.

        I didn’t really care all that much when Kerry lost, though I voted against him and felt good about it. I am going to love seeing Obama epically fail on November 5, because his supporters were such insufferable little shits (regardless of age – I mean smallness of heart, mind and spirit.)

        • dg

          “Sigh. I hate you for being such a liar and making me post this.”

          “Sigh” back atcha, Hope. Don’t accuse me of “lying” — I’m going with Pollster.com’s numbers, which I’ve linked to several times.

          • Leisa

            You are playing the sandbox game of “I know you are but what am I?”

            Hey,

            I think it suits you and your candidate well, dg.

            Don’t worry, Obama is inevitable. Time for you to go to bed now. All is well…

            • dg

              “You are playing the sandbox game of “I know you are but what am I?””

              So it’s ok for Hope to accuse me of lying, which I’m clearly not (we’re simply relying on different polling sites), but it’s not ok to call Hope on it.

              The selective outrage is alive and well here.

  • Darryl

    What the hell is Hillary thinking? My god, Obama has completely insulted her. Why is she standing for that?

  • democracyfirst

    Biden’s very first attack on McCain, after his intro as VP nominee, was about how many houses McCain has.

    It has been reported that Biden is the poorest Senator – more than $300,000 in debt.

    Who do you want to take control of the economy – the person who has more houses than they can count or the person who is so bad at managing their finances he is $300,000 in debt?

    It’s a no brainer. Feel free to us that Repubs.

    This interest tidbit probably has already been posted – while introducing Biden, Obama made a Freudian slip calling Biden the next President. Maybe that was the plan all along and Obama was just the front man.

  • Phil

    dg ““The fact that Obama’s inability to bring in $100 million a month as he projected….”

    More myths.

    Obama never made that projection. That projection was made by one of his fundraisers. And it wasn’t even a projection:”

    Just like Obama promised never to take soft money. I am going to enjoy watching the GOP rip Obama a new one.

    By the time the GOP attack machine finished with Obama and Biden they’re going to look a whole lot different than they do now.

    What’s even more entertaining is that all Obama’s money seems to be doing is contributing to Obama fatigue; people are turning off to him.

    Once we head into the final 2-3 weeks of the campaign, all bets are off. This is when Americans who have been listening to the hopeless banter of Obama will start to realize that “Gee, this blowhard could be the next President!!” Then, they will have a ton of diligence put in front of them.

    That’s when the emotional ads will hit hardest. We’ll see a return to Wright, Ayers, eyc. etc. We’ll see pictures of Obama’s poor half brothers that he hasn’t spent a PENNY on.

    Evan if Obamatan campaign headquarters knows this is coming, there’s nothing that will counter the impact of those images.

    Obama has lived by media dostortion, and he will fall by media distortion.

    His cult won’t know what happened when it’s over, because Obama has used media to spread big lies. Once people start paying attention near the end of the race – BAM!!!! You’ll see McCain surging, and smiling the day after the election.

    We may see a Democratic supermajority, but Obama won’t be there to enjoy it.

    I have yet to pick a loser in 36 years of Presidential elections; McCain will win this thing by a larger margin than anyone can begin to imagine.

    Emotion, unfortunately, will rule (but then, it always does),

    bye, bye, Barry!

  • hmmm

    Barack Obama the guy who did not sign up for the draft is attacking John McCain who has 2 sons in the service as out of Touch?

    Vote down Biden/Obama. Barack Obama needs a mentor so Biden has been asked to step up to the top of the ticket. Baby Barack is learning on the job.hahaha

    ============
    WHy was Barack Obama the ONLY senator to oppose the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. I am sure that list include both democrats and republicans.

    Is it possible he pressed the wrong button?

    He was the ONLY one. Even in the US Senate this Bill Pass 98 – 0. Why Obama, Why? The ONLY ONE!!!!!!

    EVen Biden voted to ban partial birth abortions. I am prochoice but Obama is too much of an extremist.

  • Phil

    “Who do you want to take control of the economy – the person who has more houses than they can count or the person who is so bad at managing their finances he is $300,000 in debt?”

    Nevertheless, he sure hasn’t helped the little guy. this will surface soon enough. And why, if someone is making the kind of money that he makes as a Senator, is he in financial trouble? Is this someone who we shuold trust when it comes to financial advice, or management?

    more on Biden’s anti-consumer support
    http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/lets-make-deal-with-sen-joe-biden.html

    • democracyfirst

      Exactly

  • catherine

    Like another Hillary supporter noted, sending his VP announcement out on a text message at 3am was at best tacky, and at worst, just another mock of Hillary- the person who beat him in the electoral and popular vote in the primary. I am even more outraged with this candidate than ever. There will be NO party unity for me this election cycle. I can’t stand to look at his face. Obama is nothing short of scum. Biden makes him look even more incompetent than he is. He is disgusting and I hope the Republicans wipe the floor with him in November. I look forward to their ads of Biden telling the world he is not ready for POTUS. Lets see him try to spin that one. I know I would not vote for Obama if given $5000 or $10,000 to do so. It is sad some supedelegates were sold out by this Chicago thug. Thank God Hillary is not part of his ticket. She is much better off staying as far away from Obama as possible. If people are as angry as I am in the way he handled this decision, I predict he will implode big time and I can’t wait to see it happen.

  • Phil

    “This interest tidbit probably has already been posted – while introducing Biden, Obama made a Freudian slip calling Biden the next President. ”

    As someone who knows more than a little about neuroscience, I think Obama may be challenged cognitively in certain key ways. I’m not going to get into that now, but there is a pattern emerging that seems to define a host of problems.

    the seeming ingenuity; the willingness to throw people under the bus (even his primary supporters), speaks to at least a mild sociopathology. I’m struck by Obama’s lack of conviction on _any_ position, or toward _any_ peer.

    It’s a striking thing to see in a Presidential candidate. It’s also telling that his closest associates are master manipulators themselves – i.e. Wright, Ayers, etc.

    Someone needs to take the time to delve into this and tell the story. I wish I had the time.

    • democracyfirst

      It has been clear to me from the very beginning that there is something very, very wrong with Obama. I agree sociopath may not be far off the mark. His actions fit the definition pretty closely. There is something definitely missing in him.

      • sowsear

        If BO’s mother didn’t know how to change his diaper when he was 3 weeks old, maybe one of his problems is that he was maternally deprived. Then a phantom daddy didn’t help.

        • hank48188

          Obama is very damaged by being abandoned by both of his parents. A month ago Fareed Zakaria interviewed Barry and asked him what he remembered most about living in Indonesia, Barry said “It was when my Mother told me she married a man from Indonesia and we were moving there”

  • fred

    Hey Anyone Remember This?
    Joe Biden
    by kos
    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 08:04:49 AM PDT

    Really, if we live in a just world, this will be the end of Joe Biden’s political career. On Barack Obama:

    “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    “Articulate”. “Mainstream”. “Bright and clean”.

    It’s clear his career has dragged on one election cycle too many.
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/31/11112/2465

  • democracyfirst

    FOX said the Repubs already have another ad ready to run. This one is something about the Dems not going with the most qualified person – Hillary, I think for VP. It should be good.

    And it will open the door for what I want (if Hillary isn’t nominated) – McCain/Clinton. How could the Repubs object after the ad they have planned?

    • sowsear

      I’m for McCain/Clinton. That would be worth getting a text message at 3AM. In fact, announcing that combo at that time would be the perfect retort to his petty little attempt to belittle HIll one more time.
      She could tell him to get over it big time!

      • sowsear

        I have donated to Mac twice in the past week or so and each time I have written a note to him asking him to pick someone PUMAs can live with, for instance, Hillary. I assume that since he is meeting with Hillary’s brother (and his adult children) that McCain is asking for Hill’s imput, at least. He may be offering her a place in his cabinet or even vp. VO would be a coup to end this coup season!

        • sowsear

          VP, that is.

          • DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

            like I said earlier

            I’d vote for that

            I’d donate to that

            I’d even make phone calls, buy a bumpersticker and a sign for my door a hate maybe a t shirt

            hell that would be quite a GOP convention eh? A whole section for JUST for PUMA. (w/out bob wire)

            • DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

              LOL not hate but HAT!!!

        • democracyfirst

          And he’s announcing the day after the Dem convention (to give the DNC and Obama another chance to hang themselves by stealing the nomination yet again) to maybe pick Hillary.

          And he has been asking states if it is legal to put a non-Repub on the ticket (don’t think he means Lieberman who is unpopular with Dems and Repubs).

          I really do think there have been serious discussions going on. It remains to be seen if their courage is great enough to take this huge step.

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ NotYoursweetie

    You are thinking in old terms. Of course Obama will lose the 50 states, but with 57 states in play – no problem!
    As for Kerry, he stepped away from the Ohio fight and left the election with a surplus which he’s using now against ed O’Reilly. It wasn’t lack of money that made him not fight.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Bud White we have seen the price of Oil go up…what about the price of “messaging” ?

    What inflationary pressures are media ad buys under?

    So much Rom’s arguement with Dean way back when on stra-te-gerry.

  • heather

    Just more proof that the Dems should nominate someone who can win the battleground states. Someone like … Hillary. Anyone with a brain knew that throughout the primary. But clearly Dean, Pelosi, and company lack brains.

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