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Early Risers’ Open Thread

biden-and-wife.jpg[Update: I happen to be up and it's near 11 p.m. tonight, and Fox News is on live, sayig it's Biden, so I'll publish this sooner than I'd planned. I found this recent, pleasant photo of Joe Biden and his wife, Jill.]

No. I did not sign up to receive the official text-message from “The One.” I’ve set my alarm but, if it’s one of those mornings where I reach over and hit the snooze button a few times, you all just keep talkin’.

If Barack Obama can’t comprehend the need to have given Hillary Clinton every consideration — as well as to have more helpfully sought to aid her in retiring her debt, which Lady Lynn Forester de Rotchschild has termed “ungracious” — I cannot become enthused particularly about his candidacy.

However, I will not punish those down the line who endorsed him, and that includes my highly regarded governor, Christine Gregoire of Washington state. She has been attacked, particularly by some PUMAS (or Republicans posing as PUMas) for endorsing Obama. I can’t fathom why she did so. But, otherwise, she has been an outstanding r_gregoire.jpgpublic servant to this state, and I cannot in good conscience ignore all of her achievements. Furthermore, her opponent is a repellant, country-club-set, land-hungry, privatization-crazed Republican who will do TOO much damage to the poor and disabled in this state. [PHOTO: Gov. Gregoire with her husband, who has been an outstanding "first man" for the state of Washington.]

Perhaps people think that THEY can afford to be angry enough with Christine Gregoire to vote against her. But people had better stop and think if the POOR and the DISABLED can afford to lose Christine Gregoire. Then they should reconsider voting against Christine. Perhaps they need to think of it instead as voting for the poor, the disabled, those without sufficient medical care, the elderly, and the young malnourished children who desperately need a governor who cares about them and who fights for them.

Spite can feel delicious. But only if it doesn’t harm those desperately in need.

As Confucius said, “If you devote your life to seeking revenge, first dig two graves.”

Let’s be sure we do not dig the graves for the poor and politically powerless before we seek revenge against all of those Democrats who endorsed Obama.

That’s my two cents. Now it’s time for your’s.

  • http://confloyd connie floyd

    I disagree, the democrats have buckled under to this fraud and they must pay. This should never happen again. I am only going to vote one vote against a republican and that is the against Rick Perry, he needs to go. So hopefully there will be a good democrat running against him. I am voting straight republican ticket except for the governor here in Texas!

    • Anne

      I am with you except I am voting for my local rep. Patrick Rose.

      • Peep

        And my State Attorney General but I have now flipped on my District candidate, Pelosi’s and Clyburn’s house are doing a poor job spending spending spending and pointing the finger at the other guy’s and more of the same will not help she has a margin proof majority and is failing miserably. I am going for divide governance in 08.

        And while Dean may view the Republican’s as the WHITE Party I now view the Democratic Party as the Good Ole Boys Party

    • truthtelling007

      Now, why on god’s earth would ya want to vote for a straight republican ticket in texas? good lord almighty, haven’t they don’t enough to corrupt? Be concious of your vote and bust both parties in the mouth. Vote for any of the independents and don’t endorse these two jackasses. I’m sick of the DNC, but why would I give my vote to the other party that has screwed my state’s politics in favor of business over citizen, employers over employees, the right to work state crap, death penalty hungry, and stonewalling republican members in congress policies of the last 30 years.

      I would love to dismantle the DNC starting now, but I’m not going to aid the republicans in doing so. I’m going to vote indendent across the board, except for a strong contender against Perry or the 2 Senators. Cornyn is the only one up there.

      I don’t know why people say they want to punish the Democrats by voting for McCain…fuck…go for McKenney or Nader. I’m voting for Nader. If you don’t want to, thats cool, but I don’t understand going from a passionate vote for Clinton to voting for McCain as protest…makes more sense to vote for Nader.

      Then, and finally, I completely respect that Susan has addressed the asshole attitudes of some that now threaten other politicians for not being in line. That’s for the brownshirts. I’m not voting for Obama, but I’m not going to seek to destroy my friends Rep. Green, Rep. Jackson-Lee, Rep. Kucinich, and others who may in the end get behind this Obamanation of a candidate. Cut the posturing jackholes.

      Stand your ground in Denver, make your voices heard and don’t compromise that vote that was well fought for. I’m glad I voted the way I did this primary. I didn’t lose. I won. I own my vote.

      • BernieO

        I’m with you on this one, truthtelling. The Texas Republican Party is so extreme even Bush skipped their convention when he was governor. DO NOT VOTE FOR THESE GUYS!!!
        In NC I get to vote for Kay Hagan to replace the pathetic absentee (from the state, not DC) Liddy “The Control Freak” Dole…..

      • Raven

        Granted that there many of us, for whom the
        question of whether Hillary would be on the ticket is now resolved…we can breath again.
        What is troubling is the idea of “turning out”
        every elected official who supported OB. I agree
        there are some elected leaders, who played a key
        role in leading support to OB in the primary.
        People like Kerry, Pelosi, and Wexler.
        Hopefully, they may have challengers in their races. But, I cannot see, after these nearly 8 years, voting republican downticket, who will
        seek to obstruct any progress on healthcare,
        and other issues vital to our nation.
        And, should McCain win, we will need them.

        • truthtelling007

          Yes, we will need many of the Democrats who think Obama is the Chosen One,…except one. Nancy Pelosi must go. She has coddled traitors and criminals and she is corrupted by some naive vision of total Democratic control. She places party success above her oath of office to protect the now shredded constitution.

          I have no use for a politician who assumes so much about their party victories. Impeach and imprison the Bush Administration for their crimes and I’ll believe in the Democrats again, until then, to hell with them.

    • Linda K

      Susan I understand what you’re trying to say, and the graceful way in which you say it. But if we, Democrats, do not stop the corruption, then who will? Luckily I don’t have to make the decision whether or not to vote for Governor Gregoire, and I believe she should be to choose whom to support or for whom to vote just like the rest of us. Unfortunately I think the only thing the Dean Cabal will understand is a huge and tremendous defeat in November. If we sanction this behavior – disenfrachisement of millions of voters, condoning and engaging in misogyny and sexism, allowing accusations of racism to flourish and tell us they don’t need us anyway – then I think this behavior will become worse. This is the typical “slippery slope” conundrum, however and we will all have to look deep inside our own hearts and souls to make our choices. This will be the first year I won’t vote for my Democratic Congressman because he didn’t respond to my questions about Senator Obama, although he responded on other issues. I’m voting for my state Democrats because I know them, otherwise…well I could just argue both sides of this issue all night…

    • Ms J of FL

      same here! if they don’t have the guts to back away from a loser then they don’t have the judgement needed for Congress. if politics is a man’s game I’ll fight like a man. the Republican party will have to bend to increase their base. we can be agents of change.

      • http://BHOtroll mary

        Ms J of FLORIDA

        Yes we may be AGENTS OF CHANGE. The Puma movement is the only true Democratic Grassroots Movement and will survive even without HIllary for a while…

        The exDemocratic Party is finished with many of us. It’s the Ole Boys’ Network Club and women take their seat AT THE BACK OF THE BUS, if not under it…

        Enough Sexism, Diminishment, Digs, Bitchiness from the Obambi/DNC assholes. We know how to suffer another 4 years.
        But never 4 years of Obambi’s devious misogynist Bush Lite 3rd Term.

        Maybe a Third Party will be started and with 52% of the votes, maybe we should be recruiting more women in the ‘hood.

        Like Hillary said in Beijing i ’95:

        Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are women’s rights. – unless we incorporate this reality into the body politic forget about progress and truly universal health care..

        WOMEN’S PARTY is the only way to go. VOTES MEAN POWER!!! GO PUMAS!

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      Well, you’re a Republican, then. Even if your party registration says otherwise.

      You have fun with that. Some people never learn. :roll:

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      It probably helps not to personally affected by programs that only the Democratic party cares about.

      It makes for an easy choice to do as one wishes, regardless of any consequences to the needy.

    • tek

      I agree with upstairs. I wish people would stop saying that if you don’t vote for Obama and people who enabled him that you are acting out of REVENGE. I do not intend to vote for him and it has nothing to do with revenge. It has to do with democracy. What the Democratic Party is pulling this year is undemocratic and corrupt. There must be some Sons (and Daughters) of Liberty still alive in this country who are willing to stand up to tyranny and oppression. I consider myself in that group.

      Democrats who got on board with OB did it for money. They should have stood up to Pelosi et. al. and done the right thing for democracy.

    • It’s Not Me

      I cannot wait to vote against Dick Durbin. And to think he use to be my favorite Senator! I’m voting against EVERY incumbent on my ballot. I have had enough of this crap. I’m just hoping Cynthia McKinney will be on my ballot so I can AGAINST BO/Biden.

  • Anne

    I’ll put a nickel on your bet. I think you are correct. Biden it most likely is. But I am not a betting person. After that, what? Will that get the remaining Hillary voters juiced up enough to vote for BO? and the undecideds? Not. No movement.

    What will the BO campaign do on Monday if the veep announcement is nothing more than dry heeves?

  • http://tinyurl.com/53yul8 doctorate

    “Empty Suit Embraces Gas Bag To Form Democrat”: MAXINE at Townhall.com.

  • http://ohmyvalve.blogspot.com/ Shtuey

    I give Biden a week before he gaffes and calls Obama “Osama.” This ticket is a comedian’s wet dream.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll_goH-aivU

    • http://www.barrysoetoro.com Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      ahahahahahhah

      omg

      LOL

      • roseeriter

        I was thinking the same thing. Biden and McCain are both likeable and can be funny. And both are centrists.
        Obama slapped the left wingnuts face by choosing Biden.

        My hope is that Obama gets disqualified before November and then I’ll be able to stomach Biden.

        • cc

          I like biden…but he says some pretty stupid things for a senator.

        • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

          mccain is a “centrist”

          there is a river in egypt called denial. my god, have you even looked at mcnutso”s voting record? if he is in the center of american thought … god help us all.

        • tek

          If Obama got disqualified the nomination would pass to Biden. The American people DID NOT vote for Biden. There is a Constitutional solution to that situation but I have to look it up.

    • Tony in Texas

      My question is will all the devotees of B. Hussein, who gave their info to his campaign so they could receive the infamous “text message” be disappointed that THEY WERE NOT THE FIRST TO KNOW AS PROMISED?

      Just another Obama campaign tactic to get people’s personal infor for use in the General Election.

    • BettsAZ

      OBAMA/BI(nla)DEN

  • DisenfranchisedVoter

    After throwing Clinton and Clark under the bus, the best pick left was Biden. But it says a lot about Obama. He is arrogant enough to believe that he can win without the Clinton Democrats. He would rather take the risk of winning by a hair than work with Hillary Clinton and respect the 18 million people who voted for her. He is a huge jerk for not even considering Clinton. Obama might get a slight boost (1 or 2 points) in the polls but it will not last long.

    • Observer

      Obama can ask Biden for recommendations on “hair plugs” to win the election by a hair!

    • DAB

      I read that the reason Obama’s camp is not worried about the current polls is that they is certain that long-time Democrats who supported Hillary will “come home” after their fancy smancy convention.

      What he doesn’t realize is that those same people either want to send a message to the Dem party or no longer consider themselves to part of the clan. Talk about denial (or maybe stupidity).

      I personally intend to vote for the person from now on rather than straight party. I will not however exclude good Democrats to get even. I see that as a throwing the baby out with the bathwater tactic.

      • mimi

        And this is why I stand firm.

        They don’t take us seriously, they don’t respect us. We’re being treated like children, like the way men treat women by looking down on them while saying they don’t know their own minds.

        It’s patronizing!!!

        Sorry, but 0bama/Biden will have to:

        WIN WITHOUT ME!

        BTW, I will be ‘Unaffiliated’ as soon as I cast my vote for McCain, leave the polling place and place my registration form in the mailbox. It’s getting tiresome reading the comments on this board from people calling others ‘Republicans.’ What part of people are angry, don’t you all understand? Calling folks the ‘R’-word might have worked once, before Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy and the bunch spit in our faces and called it rain, but now, there are worse things to be called.

        The Rethugs may get a shortterm benefit like they did in 1968, 1972, 1980, and 1988 but it won’t last. This is what ‘tough love’ looks like.

        Although, the truth is I no longer love the Democratic Party.

        • tek

          What you said, mimi.

      • csuzeq

        That is how I vote from now on, too. Not by party, but by person. I will look at character, acheievments, voting record, etc.

        BTW, alot of people say McCain is a hothead and quite frankly, I don’t care. I want a strong president, not someone who will just tell everyone what they want to hear for peacekeeping purposes.

        If I worked for someone who was a cut throat, but I was treated fairly on the job and he ran the company well, it would not matter to me what he did is his personal life or even if he was an asshole. If he was a criminal though and I could lose my job at any moment because the fedsw were shutting us down, well, yes, then I would look for a new place to work. Some things matter and some don’t and you have to look at it from your vantage point and what is happening at the time.

    • apishapa

      Well, he threw black people and women under the bus (again) with this pick. I remember how good ole Joe Biden (along with 13 other white male Senators)treated Anita Hill, and this choice has cemented even more clearly my opposition to Obama. But, I guess he wasn’t trying to get an old (well not that old), bitter, white woman. By all acconuts, He’s destined to win without us.

      Maybe, AAs have forgotten Anita Hill.

    • Clinton Fan

      I am of the opinion that Clark threw himself down on the ground and crawled under that bus on his own steam.

      Remember that “gaffe” he made about McCain’s military and POW background not being a qualifier for the presidency?

      He said that to ensure that a line would be drawn through his name, and he would not be considered. He got a two-fer out of that appearance:

      1. The “appearamce” of supporting Obama.
      2. A dispensation from having to appear on the ticket as second fiddle.

      You don’t make it to four stars and fuck up that badly….unless you did it ON PURPOSE.

    • http://donolectic.wordpress.com Donolectic

      I’m a Clinton democrat. He can still win with Biden.

      But for me, the key word is Democrat and not Clinton.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    http://www.obamacrimes.com/

    The law suit against Obama’s nomination/run for the Office of the President is on its way.

  • http://tinyurl.com/53yul8 doctorate

    Shtuey: Nice job locating the youtube video. Perfect.

  • lmv

    If voters liked Joe Biden, he would already have been nominated one of the gazillion times he’s run for president. He’s a perennial candidate and proof of the theory if you hang around long enough, you’ll win something.

    This is just a slap at Hillary. Who seriously thinks Biden was a better choice?

    On the positive side, this gives the supers cover to vote against fake experience. And, if that doesn’t work, Hillary has a good chance to unseat McCain in 2012.

  • Tristan

    I agree, its mostly about getting rid of the DNC and other people at the top, like Kerry and Richardson.

    Re: Biden
    I’m pleasantly surprised with this pick. Biden’s a smart guy with foreign policy experience and common sense. Or maybe I just feel bad for the guy, as he’s been running for President for the past twenty years…

    What’s going to be really interesting is the debates. Biden is a natural and will very likely win the VP debate. But if Obama pulls another Saddleback then no matter what he does, he’s out.

    • http://www.barrysoetoro.com Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      well we have to wait and see who the Republicans pick for VP.

      There is no guarantee biden wins a debate yet.

      • Zee

        Rumor has it that it’s Portman.

        • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

          Holy Shit! McCain is picking Natalie Portman?

          Didnt he see The Phantom Menace?

          That girl cant act to save her life!

          • wodiej

            omg…funny, but hey I like Natalie Portman!

  • http://www.logisticsmonster.blogspot.com/ DiamondTiger

    35 years of being a washington insider is not going to help this empty chair.

    I think the conversatives and 527s are going to have a heyday with Biden as the VP choice.

    • ziggy

      35 years of being a washington insider is not going to help this empty chair.

      You’ve got to be a little more specific. That pretty much describes John McCain.

      • Pink Panther

        The difference is that Obama has been running as an outsider and running under Change.

      • Clinton Fan

        Here, let ME be specific:

        Biden is to Neil Kinnock, as Obama is to Deval Patrick.

        Biden is only six years younger than McCain (no more old guy jokes).

        No more HEALTH jokes either…Biden has had TWO more operations for brain aneurysms than John McCain has had (score: Biden, 2, McCain, 0).

        Obama hates Clarence Thomas; Biden hates Anita Hill.

        McCain looks balding from the front; Biden looks bald from the back (no more combover jokes).

        Biden voted for that IWR. He’s a friend of the banking and credit card industry. He has foot-in-mouth disease. He’s very “clean and articulate,” though!

        He’s not “change.” Unless you want change back from Sanjay at the Dunkin Donuts or the 7-11…and DO ask for it with a “Bombay accent.”

        Yep, they’re a real Felix and Oscar pair!

  • Michelle

    I know Gregoire hasn’t done a horrible job, but it’s because she’s had to– it took the third count to overturn Rossi’s win (let’s just admit she didn’t win). She endorsed Obama to save HERSELF.

    That is utterly unacceptable. It is despicable.
    It flies in the face of all the poor, hard-working people she tries to serve.

    Further, congestion has gotten way worse and the cost of living has gone way up.
    If she’s elected again, this will basically give politicians the go ahead to fuck their constituents over perpetually. Hell no I’m doing that, we need to send a real message.

    • Tyrione

      She was safer off by NOT ENDORSING OBAMA.

      As a fellow Washingtonian from Spokane, I can assure you that many people who I know were completely appauled by the endorsement of Obama over Clinton.

      It always amazes me how old generalizations about the genders rear their ugly heads.

      Men always unite to stay in power–yes we do, and women divide and backstab while losing power.

      She should have abstained from endorsing, until the Convention.

      • http://donolectic.wordpress.com Donolectic

        She endorsed the person she thought was most qualified to win. I thought that’s what strong, empowered women do.

        It sounds like from you and other comments, strong empowered women are supposed to toe the line and stay beholden to their masters.

        Very interesting.

    • Katherine B.

      I can’t believe we are now being urged to give Christine Gregoire a pass and look the other way as she turned her back on Hillary. I live in WA state and remember very well that when Gregoire ran for Governor the first time it was HILLARY who was out here raising money for her. Gregoire is my very own version of Bill Richardson. As for her doing a good job, she just put a hiring freeze on for state employment because of a massive budget deficit. The notion of giving her a pass is like telling me to be a “good little absued woman” and stay with my abusive partner. No way. Vote the incumbent out!

      • http://donolectic.wordpress.com Donolectic

        And vote in Rossi, the architect of some of Washington State’s worst budgets? You’ve gotta be kidding me.

    • snosandy

      Gregoire endorsed Obama way too soon, and for that I refuse to vote for her. How does she think she won the nomination? By women who wanted to put a strong woman in charge, then she turned her back on us.

      • http://donolectic.wordpress.com Donolectic

        She endorsed the person that she thought was most fit to win this election cycle. Isn’t that what strong, empowered women do?

        I guess not.

    • http://donolectic.wordpress.com Donolectic

      She endorsed Obama because she thought it was the right person.

      And no, I don’t admit that she lost, even the Republican Secretary of State and Rossi’s handpicked Republican judge from a deep red Eastern Washington Republican county said she won. I’m sorry if you feel otherwise.

      Also, congestion is worse because people live here and they’re driving and Washington State is many years late to having alternative forms of transportation to get people around, because of the people of Washington State, you know, people like you. People voted down highway expansion too or ways to pay for it. The increase in congestion is soley the fault of the people of Washington.

      The cost of living has gone up everywhere, perhaps a direct result of Republican economic policies? And you want to continue that at the state level with Rossi?

      Please, get over yourself.

  • old91A10

    Biden. Good.

    Floor fight is still open, but I don’t expect anything of that.

    McCain 2008, and Pelosi/Reid have to get their shit together. Hillary 2012!

    For good measure, fuck the DNC.

    • dee4hill

      My sentiments, exactly. Screw ‘em all.

      Hillary ’12!!!

  • Tumby J

    I thought we agreed we didn’t want Hillary to go down with the sinking ship that is the Obama candidacy…?

  • Sojourner

    Obama’s choice of Biden as a running mate is a direct contradiction with the platform he ran with in the primaries. I guess I can’t be surprised with yet another flip-flop and all, but most of his reasoning for choosing Biden is the same reasoning he used AGAINST the idea of choosing Clinton as his running mate. Not only did Biden vote for the authorization of force (War) in Iraq just as Clinton did, but he has been in Congress for what, three decades? Approximately thirty years of “old-style politics” and a war vote is what Biden brings to the Obama campaign. Yes, he has a wealth of foreign policy experience, but it’s nothing that another Clinton administration couldn’t match and surpass. Those reasons (Plus Bill Clinton) are what the Obama campaign lamented as being deal-breakers for a joint ticket. As fond of Biden as I am, I hate to say that Biden on his best day still isn’t as qualified as Clinton on her worst.

    • Clinton Fan

      He either does not want to win, or he’s very stupid. I think it’s funny as hell!!

      He just threw the fucking LEFT under the bus with everyone else!!

      That’s the real story here–he has shoved it up the ass of the Hope-Change-Believe crowd, only those Bots are too fucking stupid to see that they’ve been reamed by their Beloved Messiah!

      He has basically told them “Whatcha gonna do, my BITCHES? Where do you think you’re gonna go? Huh? You’re going NO WHERE. You’re doing what I say, and you’d better shut up and LIKE it.”

      And they’re stunned, shocked, and stuck. Kinda like an abused wife with no job and no car keys and no fucking money. TRAPPED, with no way out, no where to go. Pity they didn’t have the carfare to make it to Aunt Hillary’s house, now, isn’t it? Auntie Hillary would protect them, take care of them, make everything all right. But they told Aunt Hillary to fuck herself when they hitched up with that abusive asshole who looked real sweet on those first few dates! :lol:

      All those idiots with their Che shirts, their dirty feet in sandals, their stupid hiphugger jeans, their asinine tattoos that many of them are already regretting, the greasy hair, the energy drinks, and that insufferable, who-needs-history attitude…they’re under that big old bus, with grandma and Reverend Wright. Getting crowded up in there, isn’t it? They turned their backs on Clinton, as their Messiah directed, and what did they get for their trouble? A flipflopping Messiah who chose as his companion a Clintonish person who is not as talented, with scary teeth and a penis! I guess that penis is just too important,or something!

      Biden voted for the IWR, a sticking point with those fools. He’s DLC, another “crime of the century”–he’s CLINTON, except he can’t raise money like her, he can’t earn VOTES like her, he isn’t as healthy as she is, he doesn’t have a good head of hair like she does, he never knows when to STFU, and he doesn’t have her charisma!!

      I have to say, I think Biden was a priceless pick. A down-in-flames partner. Even the ticket name sounds portentious, rather like Obama–Bye, Then!!

      It won’t be a cakewalk for McCain, but I think he’s feeling VERY good about his chances. If he picks a capable (not Condi Rice, I said CAPABLE) female VP, like Olympia Snow, it’s all over but the deep, intense, heartfelt and soul-wrenching sobbing. If he chickens out and goes with “some dude” he’ll have to work a little harder, but he can still walk away with the prize.

  • sfhillary

    Susan, I have to say, I’m shocked by your post. All of a sudden you’ve gone rational on us just because you feel particularly committed to your Governor? She endorsed Obama, The Worst Man In The History Of The World! What could possibly be more important than destroying every last vestige of a party that would foist a fascist, communist, thuggish, unqualified, inadequate, sexist, homophobic, lying, corrupt criminal on the entire world — a man who clearly would destroy America within just his first term? And what’s all this about bad Republicans? John McCain is the ultimate Republican — he supports every last one of Bush’s policy priorities. What gives here? I’m very confused.

    • bmc

      Ha! John McCain supports “every last one” of Bush’s policy priorities? That’s a bit of hyperbole, isn’t it? No wonder you’re “very confused!”

      Obama has supported quite a few of Bush’s policy priorities himself. Bush’s Class Action Fairness Act for one; Cheney’s Energy Bill for another.

      Yes, I’d say you are “very confused,” but take heart, we’re here to help you!

    • mimi

      It’s called ‘tough love.’

      Ask any indulgent parent of a spoiled brat.

      Still it has to be done, because it works in the long run.

    • Clinton Fan

      Naaah…you’re sick to your stomach over your Messiah’s pick.

      As you should be.

      And you’re here, testing the temperature of the water, because you’re, as you always are, scared shitless.

      How do those bitter tears taste, “Fraid-Oh?”

      Enjoy your VP nominee…we sure are! :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

    • Andy

      You are confused b/c you don’t seem very sophisticated….

    • snosandy

      Christine Gregoire’s early endorsement of Obama shows her poor judgment.

  • CognitiveDissonance

    I’m just grateful that he didn’t somehow convince Hillary to run with him. I don’t want her anywhere near that Titanic. If Biden is too blind to see the coming trainwreck, too bad, it’s his career he’s risking.

    • mimi

      Biden is sailing on the SS Titanic/0bama:

      Bon Voyage!

      Hope people aren’t vindictive enough in Delaware and he loses his Senate seat as well.

      If I lived in Delaware, I wouldn’t vote for him for Senator.

    • Clinton Fan

      Yep, me too.

      He picked the fellow whose name sounds like “Bye, then!”

      They all sucked, that way–”Bayh-BYE” makes one think Obama, BYE! and Kaine made the Obama-Kaine ticket sound like “Oh-pa! McCain!!”

    • csuzeq

      He’s probably ready to retire soon anyway and as a favor to Hillary is willing to go down so she didn’t have to. If nothing else, Biden is a democratic loyalist like Hillary. It won’t make me change my vote, of course, but the truth is someone had to be VP so I’m not surprised it is an old guy because well, the young guys don’t want to jeopardize their careers. The leaders probably talked Biden into it and he won’t mind the end of his career since he has no chance of becoming POTUS in the future.

  • Retired

    Question: If Obama wins the nomination and is then discovered prior to the election not to be constitutionally qualified to take office, who then steps in and runs? Hillary or Biden? What do the DNC rules say?

    • Sojourner

      Post convention, I believe it to be the running mate, in this case apparently it’s now Biden. I was hopeful for Bayh as the selection as if we wind up seeing the scandal we feel is coming that would be the catalyst for Obama to leave the race, that scenario would leave Bayh as the nominee. Now knowing Evan Bayh, who do you think would be his choice for vice president? Hillary Clinton. That would have been some great poetic justice.

    • Jim S

      Biden would take the top spot and select his running mate. Either way the two guys running for the highest offices in the land would be selected, not elected by the party.

  • DisenfranchisedVoter

    The one good thing about this is that we can finally stop guessing whether or not Hillary will be his VP pick.

    It’s over and done with. Obama will lose.

    I won’t be wasting my time watching the convention coverage on television. It’s going to be a snorefest. I just wish the PUMAs well and hope that no gets seriously injured by Obama minions or the police.

    • Linda K

      Well yes, Disenfranchised. I agree. At least we now can stop speculating and dreading that Obama would pick Hillary. I also think the Denver spectacle will be a “snore fest” and will not bother watching. But I will certainly vote – against this “dream ticket.”
      PUMA

    • wodiej

      I agree..

  • Phil

    If McCain picks someone with authenticity, someone who can relate to the lunch bucket crowd, then Biden will be nicely neutralized. The thing is that there WAS a significant amount of anti-black sentiment in some who voted for Hillary. Biden and his stupid gaffes may actually *appeal* to those people.

    That said, historically, the VP pick has little impact on the final result. I see Biden resonating in Ohio. That’s a good thing for Obama, but I also see Ohioans hopping mad at what happened to Hillary.

    I wouldn’t underestimate Hillary supporters (like me) who really now ARE bitter, and will refuse to vote for Obama under any circumstances.

    Another thing: the structural problems facing America are just enormous. We are in a very, very bad position relative to where we were 10-15 years ago, in terms of wealth. No President, McCain or Obama, is going to change that, because none of them are really getting to the heart of the matter.

    One person that I think DOES get to the heart of the matter is history and international relations expert and former US Army Colonel Andrew J. Bacevich. Here’s a nice piece with Bill Moyers.
    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/transcript1.html

    Aside from Moyer’s aggravating, reflexive progressive leftism, (somewhat restrained in those interview) this is an impressive piece.

    For those who really want to get bummed, try this.
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/90892-the-great-consumer-crash-of-2009

    Obama won’t change any of this. Neither will McCain. However, Obama has always been about personal power, period. I trust McCain to do more things right, on balance, than Obama.

    It’s going to be a rough next couple, of decades.

    • Sojourner

      “If McCain picks someone with authenticity, someone who can relate to the lunch bucket crowd, then Biden will be nicely neutralized. The thing is that there WAS a significant amount of anti-black sentiment in some who voted for Hillary. Biden and his stupid gaffes may actually *appeal* to those people.”

      I think Sarah Palin of Alaska would be a fantastic choice. While a true conservative, being a governor she has appropriate domestic experience and is very charismatic and “soccor mom-like”; she could very well connect with not only those blue collar workers but those bitter/disgruntled Clinton supporters(like me).

      And while Alaska only has a mere 3 electoral votes to bring to the table (of which were not in any danger of turning into Blue votes), Palin could have a very positive carry-over effect in the Northwest that could trickle down to help take Montana and Colorado, states that the Obama campaign have been eying as “in=play”, off the table completely.

      Unfortunately for us, if you want to look down the road post-McCain/Palin administration, a Palin campaign could give Clinton a run for her money in an attempt to secure the nations first female presidency.

      • csuzeq

        I still think McCain should chose Hillary. I used to think if he did, he’d lose his base. More and more though I have talked to republicans who are very enthusiatic about a McCain/Clinton ticket and say they would vote for that.

    • Gregory

      No, I don’t see Biden connecting in Ohio. I spent 28 years in Columbus. He just doesn’t seem like an Ohio kind of guy (in spite of his long ago pseudo working class roots).
      I actually like him and could have settled for a reverse ticket (Biden/Obama), but in second place he doesn’t do much for me.

      Plus, on a side note, MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING. Sorry, but Biden is not a surprise. most sites reported WEEKS ago that he’d be the pick

  • typical.white.person

    Biden campaign calls Obama ‘Johnny-come-lately’

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — A few hours after Sen. Barack Obama unveiled his plan to combat terrorism worldwide on Wednesday, Sen. Joe Biden’s campaign criticized him for saying too little, too late.

    “We find it a little disingenuous that Sen. Obama is hailing this as a new bold initiative when he has neglected to join his colleagues in the Senate when the opportunities have been there to redirect our forces into Afghanistan,” Biden’s campaign manager, Luis Navarro, said in a statement. “It’s good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but this can hardly be considered bold leadership.”

    In a press release, Biden’s campaign called Obama’s speech a “Johnny-come-lately position.” The release stated that Biden has “already initiated or accomplished” most of the propositions listed in Obama’s speech. Biden’s campaign also said Obama didn’t ask tough enough questions during a Senate Foreign Relations hearing on the troop surge in Iraq.

  • typical.white.person

    Biden also calls Obama ‘Naive’

    In an interview on The Diane Rehm Show this morning, Biden told guest host Susan Page of USA Today the following:

    “… in order to look tough, he’s undermined his ability to be tough, were he president. Because if you’re going to go into Pakistan — which is already our policy by the way, if there’s actionable intelligence — you need actionable intelligence from moderates within Pakistan working with you. Now if you’re already going to say I’m going to disregard whatever the country thinks and going to invade, the likelihood you’re getting the cooperation you need evaporates. It’s a well intended notion he has, but it’s a very naïve way of figuring out how you’re going to conduct foreign policy.

    • Zee

      Oh, my! Donna B. missed THAT racist statement, huh!

  • rwc

    Cry me a river Susan. This is why you folks lose and why your leaders shit on your kind then laugh all the way to the bank.

    If the PUMA’s want to be respected and feared by the party establishment they’re going to have to take down a DNC stooge like Gregoire or someone like her.

    Heck it can be crooks William Jefferson(aka: ColdCash), Rangel(aka: K Street Charlie) or even Steny Hoyer.

    Just target one of them and make their life hell until re-election comes.

    Learn to fight and quit being mindless, asslicking yellow dog ticket punchers. Its this attitude that allowed the Democratic party to degenerate to the point they’d promote marxist/black supremacist/anti-American thug like Obama for president.

    The party of FDR or even Johnson would have never tolerated such a creep in their party. But then again FDR and Johnson represented the working and middle-class unlike todays Democrats who until recently didn’t even know these people existed.

    Look you either hold your reps accountable and you do that by voting out scum who don’t perform well or betray you. You don’t give them second chances.

    The question is, is whether you’re strong enough to fight them?

    • Tyrione

      FDR and LBJ were Oil barron thugs. They manipulated the working man for their own aims–oil cartels, Federal Reserve Power through Central Banks and OPEC.

      Our Presidents lost their principles when Woodrow Wilson took us to WWI and later FDR created an economic embargo on Japan forcing them to attack the US and justify our reason for fighting a two-front war and thus justify raiding the US coffeurs all under the guise of US Patriotism rallying around getting rid of Hitler–the guy that FDR and others actually funded until it wasn’t fashionable to do so.

    • Clinton Fan

      I’ve got some bad news for you. Those of us who support the PUMA cause vis-a-vis Hillary Clinton are NOT “lockstep bots.” And that seems to be what you’re advocating–that we work, en masse, to “hold reps accountable.”

      See, we think for ourselves. We look at the totality of the candidate, and decide if they’ve gone over that “craven asshole” line. If they haven’t, they get our vote, despite our irrtation.

      We are NOT GOP enablers. Put that dream in your pipe and smoke it. And we don’t need or want “respect” from people like you, looking to use us for your duplicitous purposes. That’s how OBAMA rolls, see?

      Susan was advocating for a viewpoint near and dear to her heart and her perspective. She provided facts and justifications. See, that’s how thinking people do it–they ARGUE their case, they don’t just mindlessly “fall in line.” Or, like you just did, scold people for not so doing.

      :roll:

  • Gregory

    That was a lot of suspense that was for not. Didn’t most sites report WEEKS ago that it was Biden? A good pick but still doesn’t do much for Obama. Sure, it adds tons of international experience, but was picking a wealthy (but who isn’t in politics) white guy from a fairly left-of-center (and I’m glad that exists too) small mid-Atlantic state really going to be so magical?!

  • Phil

    One more thing. Biden is always a sparkler the first few go-rounds, but he starts to wear thin after a while. He’s always “on”, and after a time comes off as a blowhard. He’s a genuine resonator with the working class, but a little too slick. McCain has to pick someone who can neutralize Biden; it’s good that McCain gets to pick last. Knowing McCain, he will be strategic in his choice, and pick someone who fills the gaps.

    btw, Biden’s age takes the air out of the “old man” issue that Obamatans bring up about McCain.

    McCain vs. Biden is no contest. McCain wins the “authentic” vote, in terms ofo the way he comes off (genuine) hands down. On the strength of that, my sense is that he’s going to win it all.

    So, we could end up with a massive Dem majority in Congress, with McCain as President. Hopefully some of the Progressive lefties will fall, but who?

  • NoBO

    I spell relief B I D E N. This should be fun. ;)

    OBAMA bin BIDEN ’08

    Yeah, that’s the ticket!

  • http://hillarynme.wordpress.com/ sportsone234

    I’m not sure why I’m up at 2:45 in the morning, but I am. Yes, it’s official now, it’s Biden. Wish I could say I was excited, but I’m not.

    Three initial thoughts:

    1. Biden’s experience is a constant reminder of how little experience the Anointed One has.

    2. How long before Biden inserts his own foot in his mouth? When Biden announced his latest run for the presidency, it only took him 10 minutes before his mouth got him into trouble. Remember his initial comments about Obama?

    3. Remember the Iraq sub-committee that Obama headed, the one he never held a hearing on to hold the Bush administration accountable for the war because he was too busy running for president? Know who else sat on the “committee that never was” . . . you guessed it, Biden.

    One thing Obama and Biden share is that they’ve both had close calls with charges of plagiarism. Fairly or unfairly, both have been accused of it.

  • Seattle Moss

    Susan..
    I appreciate your comments on Gregoire. I think she is a good governor but I’m still voting straight Republican party.
    My view of the democrat party has changed forever. Especially here in Washington where One person one vote doesn’t exist.
    My values and freedoms are being threatened by a party that looks more like a two bit Marxist socialist thug dictatorship.
    It’s not about Hillary or Gregoire..

    The democrat party represents American defeat in the world and depression at home.
    The democrats desire the worst for America so that they can build their socialist utopia on the ashes of the great American dream

    • Zee

      Of course you’re voting straight thug ticket.

      DUH.

      You’re a rethuglican. No dem says “democrat party” or whines about Democrats being “Marxist” and “socialist” and representing “American defeat.”
      That’s eye-gougingly BORING typical dittohead talk.

      Nice try. Go sell it at Free Republic.

      • Seattle Moss

        Poor Zee..
        Just a question..
        Why do Obama and his supporters wish defeat in Iraq?

        Why should I vote for a nominee who failed to stand and clap the success of our troops at the state of the union?
        I vote for Pro American Candidates!!!

        Your selection fails to meet even the min requirements for commander and chief.

        I really think Obamabots should reconsider their bad choice for president.
        Take your lumps now..
        bot heads!

        In November your losing in the biggest landslide backlash in history.

        • Lady von Stupid

          commander and chief.

          commander and chief.

          commander and chief.

          commander and chief.

          commander and chief.

          • socalannie

            Geez, do you think you made your point? We all make typos & errors sometimes.

        • Clinton Fan

          Hey, you brain damaged retard, you have apparently taken a wrong turn. This is not a pro-Obama site. This is not a GOP site, either.

          You can keep posting for our “point and laugh” amusement, if you’d like, but everyone here thinks you’re a fucking nitwit–in case you were wondering!

          :mrgreen:

      • sisterdo

        First time voters can’t tell anybody who’s a Democrat and who’s a Republican.

        First timers should know when to say, MessNBC just told me Hillary voters are the key to the election.

        Please vote for the guy who’s campaign called her a racist, pretty please.

        First timers who have no right to tell anybody anything, and they really need to learn how to say please.

    • Northwest rain

      After the WA democrats allowed Obama to take over the state democratic party — there is no longer a democratic party in WA state — it is the Obamacrat party.

      I was bullied by Obama thugs and by county commissioners at the Democrat caucus in February — I will not forget nor forgive the behavior of these bought off and paid for ex-democrats.

      They can all win without my vote.

      I probably won’t be voting for some of the Republicans — my vote will be on a strictly individual basis.

      The Democratic party sold out and is now the Obamacrat party.

      • Joy

        Did you get a picture of the bullying? I see people posting about being intimidated and bullied by Obama supporters at caucuses but I never see any evidence of this. With as many cell phones with a camera feature now you’d think at least a few of the bullied folks would get it recorded.

        Also, many of Hillary’s supporters are boomers, stoned rock and rollers from the 60’s. So these techno geek obots intimidated the boomers?

        • fooj

          Apparently you missed the trailer over at WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED…

          Be careful what you wish for.

          • Joy

            Nothing over there about Hillary supporters being harassed or bullied at the caucuses.

            • Joy

              Something just now showed up.

  • justsomeone

    Jason Furman & Goolsbee wrote an rebuttle in the Wall Street Journal to “correct all the misconceptions” about Obama’s tax policies…they’re now on a more moderate road, having abandoned the previous draconian commie proposals that would of crashed the economy. Cap gains, divs & interest will now continue to be taxed at 15% for couples making 250k or less & for singles making 200K or less. The 54% “permanent estate tax” is now only on estates valued at 7mil or more. They claim Obama thinks the middle class needs more discretionary spending $$$..it all sounds reasonable, but is it true? Yes, they still want to “rebate” tax money to people who don’t earn enough to owe taxes. Do I believe them? Do you? Or was economic/political operative Furman only brought on to run a smokescreen?

    • Northwest rain

      Goolsbee — a Chicago boys club — Chicago school of economics — oh sure he’s believable….. NOT!

      Goolsbee is also the same jerk were told the Canadians to ignore what Obama was saying about NAFTA.

      NO one associated with Obama is believable — they are all lying jerks.

    • Five Thirty

      Jason Furman & Goolsbee wrote an rebuttle in the Wall Street Journal to “correct all the misconceptions” about Obama’s tax policies

      I feel sure that soon we will be hearing about Obama’s tax cut proposals.

  • typical.white.person

    Here is what Biden said he would do if elected president:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDakzGisS20

    It will be interesting to see if Obama implements Biden’s policy if they are elected.

    • Sojourner

      Definitely sounds more presidential than Obama. I did catch that right at about 0:43 he begins to talk about sending his Secretary of State and/or himself visit heads of state before he is sworn in…why is it that every Obama surrogate act as if they never heard of the Logan Act?

  • Northwest rain

    Gregoire has a long history of sticking her knife in women’s backs — so this time I will NOT vote for her.

    She endorsed Obama way too early — and I refuse to forgive nor forget her horrible sexist record.

    I’ll just not vote for either jerk.

    • Clinton Fan

      I’d send her a letter–really. Polite, well worded, TEMPERATE, telling her how you feel. Just a few short paragraphs. Not a form letter.

      Encourage your friends to do the same–maybe even on postcards–they go through mail screening easier.

      Heartfelt complaints. Maybe she’ll mend her ways.

      Most politicians feel that one letter equals a thousand constituents. Whenever I write to a politician, I always get a reply back.

  • NObama ineligible

    NOT ONLY IS HE STUPID AND EGOTISTICAL FOR NOT CHOOSING THE PERSON WHO IS COMPETENT, EXPERIENCED, AND THE WINNER OF THE PEOPLE’S VOTES, HE IS INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT.

    August 21, 2008

    Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

    by Jeff Schreiber
    America’s Right.com

    A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

    Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit–just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver–for the health of the Democratic Party.

    “I filed this action at this time,” Berg stated, “to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.”.

    Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls “dual loyalties” due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

    Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of “multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries” remains on the table.

    In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

    Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama’s birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals–Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital–in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple “registry of birth” records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

    Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

    Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed “natural born,” that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

    The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.

    “Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama’s lies and obfuscations,” Berg stated. “If the DNC officers … had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws.”

    “It is unfair to the country,” he continued, “for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected.”

  • maidyalook2

    Biden has come out of the gate as a liar. First in 2007 when he said he wouldn’t take a VP spot. And second, when he said, “I”m not the guy”.Not to mention, they are both plagerists.Really doesn’t matter to me. I will never ever vote for BO. PUMA

  • NObama ineligible

    I wouldn’t take it out on good but gullible downline Democrats.

    I will do all I can to take down Obama because I think he’s a rotten, two-faced, lying, corrupt, little punk.

    I can’t stand Dems who are tight with him, like Pelosi, Dean, Brazile, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, and ones who turned on their constituencies. They should all be removed.

    But some poor Dems were just plain stupid.

  • NObama ineligible

    I won’t have to hold my nose and vote for an Obama-Clinton ticket.

    I can relax and vote for McCain with a clear conscience, and no BO in the air.

    • csuzeq

      It is a relief. I would not have voted an Obama/Clinton ticket, but it would have been really a nightmare to see her name on there and not choose her!

  • Sojourner

    And another thought on Biden…he is originally from Scranton, PA, the very same town Clinton made such a big deal about her father being from there in the primaries. The fact that Biden has PA roots is likely a thinly-veiled attempt at courting Hillary supporters. I am certain Biden will be likening himself to her as he no doubt will be campaining heavily here in Pennsylvania.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      If he comes out in Hillary’s yellow pantsuit i might consider voting for him…

      …Nah! But i definatly want to get that on video!

  • sisterdo

    Biden is a horrible choice. Biden would be fine as Secretary of State, but if he would be a good President he wouldn’t have come in 12th out of 12 every time he tries to run.

    This ticket is so unbalanced I seriously thought it was a red herring.

    This ticket has

    1) zero executive experience (Clinton-Gore had 11 years of Bill as governor)
    2) a small state, brings in no electoral votes
    3) now has two elite, long winded bores who gaffe all the time
    4) shows that Barky KNOWS he’s not experienced enough and is trying to make up for it.

    These two guys have never run anything, now they want to run the country?

    It’s a boring, bad ticket that excites nobody. A wanna be Secretary of State, not VP material at all.

    This should be Obarky’s red herring.

    • JozefAL

      Intriguing little factoid about Delaware: From 1900 to 2004, Delaware’s electoral votes have gone to the winner of the Presidential race all but 5 times–1916, 1932, 1948, 2000, and 2004.
      Considering the last two times have been the last two elections IN A ROW, it doesn’t bode well for the Dems this year, even if they’ve produced the VP candidate.

  • Lady von Stupid

    But people had better stop and think if the POOR and the DISABLED can afford to lose Christine Gregoire. Then they should reconsider voting against Christine.

    Careful with that logic, now.

    Dodd,
    Our
    President
    Every
    Year!

  • Steve-O

    Confusius sayeth: “Don’t mind what I once said”

    A few weeks ago, Obama declared that the VP would not be someone with Foreign Relations background, because, “that is the field where ME, MYSELF and I are together, you know, experts in. I know that there is a difference between Sunni and Shia and what the religion in Indonesia and Kenya is.”

    But, hey, that was then, this may be now…

  • sisterdo

    Even the Obama-bots have got to be bored by the Biden choice.

    The wanna be Sec of State who always comes in 12th out of 12 in Presidential contests. Nobody wants him in the White House then or now.

    Well, Obarky knows how to change his mind. When this decision goes over like a lead balloon, I’m betting he’ll show Biden the bottom of the bus. Say hi to Rev. Wright and Grannie while you’re there.

    Obarky will step on Biden like his supporters against FISA — once Barky sees this doesn’t help it’s Bye Bye bin Biden.

  • JozefAL

    What I find most amusing (even ironic, after a fashion) is that Biden’s foreign policy experience is being touted as a positive here, but Obama was supposed to have tons of foreign policy experience from his years growing up overseas. That was his whole argument against Hillary’s foreign policy experience. So now, he apparently selects someone who is widely seen as one of DC’s top foreign policy wonks, but why? Barry’s basically admitting that 1) he DOESN’T have sufficient foreign policy experience (therefore rendering his primary campaign as a complete fabrication at best, a lie at worst), 2) he NEEDS the very insiders who he was so vehemently denouncing during his primary campaign, and 3) the war in Iraq really WASN’T all that important an issue for him (of course, as he was more than willing to share the stage with Kerry, despite Kerry’s vote on the authorization matter).

    • bmc

      Yeah, I think that pretty much summarizes the scene. Well said.

      He picked the ultimate Washington insider, proving that he never really intended to change anything, just to gain power within the inner circle of power-brokers. He proved he needs someone to help him with foreign policy expertise. He proved he needs a washington insider to help with legislators. He proved his judgment on Iraq was worthless and didn’t really matter anyway.

      But what he also proved is that he just hated Bill and Hillary Clinton, and was devoted to eliminating them, now and forever, and was more than willing to repeatedly LIE in order to do it. Anyone who was a Clinton supporter, will be targeted if Obama wins the White House. They will play NO part in any future political life. They will be “disappeared.”

      THAT is why I will NEVER vote for Obama/Biden.

      • mimi

        bmc,

        Excellent post!

        It echoes just about everything I feel.

    • Clinton Fan

      I’ll bet the Iraqis are just LOVING this pick—NOT. I’ll bet al-Maliki, Obama’s new best friend, is muttering the Arab term for “muthafuckah” at this news.

      Remember, Biden was the guy with the Peanut Brittle plan for Iraq–crack it into three (Sunni, Shi’a, Kurdish) pieces. The “Big Whoop” about that plan is “How do you divide the oil assets?” And of course, what’s to stop Iran from saying “Divided they fall!”

      Biden understands the region, but I don’t think he fully grasps the Pan Arab heart. It can surprise people.

  • Little Brother

    Voting Obama…unashamed, unapologetic. Simple fact is Hillary had her chance. More connections, more money, more recognition…less than stellar performance. If she was so strong, and Obama was so weak, she’d get my vote. Obama still has to defeat Democrats and Republicans. Biden as a pick in okay, safe, and expected. Obama could give Larry C. Johnson a run for his CIA job…he looked Hillary dead in they eye, and told her she’d be on the shortlist. Ehhh, NOT EVEN CONSIDERED. I like that. Shows he’s a shrewd politician after all. Obama/Biden ’08…unless Larry and PUMA can come up with $24,000,000 real quick-like!!!

    • Clinton Fan

      How special, but unsurprising, that you find outright prevarication and rank duplicity in a presidential candidate to be assets.

      You’re quite typical of your kind.

      That’s not a compliment–in case you’re unclear.

      :mrgreen:

      • fooj

        I think I’ve found a new friend. You rock, Clinton Fan.

  • Ferdberfle

    However, I will not punish those down the line who endorsed him

    I respectfully but completely disagree. Any politician who endorsed the Junior Senator from Illinois is now part of the problem, especially after the he loses. The bozos who are responsible for the destruction of the former Democratic party must be held accountable, including those who endorsed this plastic candidate.

  • http://www.nobloodforhubris.blogspot.com No Blood for Hubris

    I completely agree.

    People like Gregoire deserve our support.

    No reason to throw good people under buses out of vengeance and spite.

    • Ferdberfle

      Incorrect: Gregoire threw HRC supporters and all real democrats under the bus.

  • Ferdberfle

    If only McCain would make *real* history and truly reach across the aisle and ask Hillary to run with him, party base be damned. This is no longer about Democrats or Republicans–it’s about the future. Country before party; the we before I. Unfortunately, “the common good” and “we the people” have been relegated to being just words.

    • mimi

      Hillary would not run with McCain.

      Also, Hillary would not motivate the Conservative base McCain needs. In case you forgot, they were part of the plot to eliminate her.

  • Little Brother

    SusanUnPC Sweetie,

    Confucius also says…Man who take sleeping pill and laxative on the same night will wake up in deep shit. Hillary kept taking campaign debt (sleeping pill), with no way to overtake Obama’s delegate lead (laxative), and woke up in deep shit ($24 M debt, hurt feelings, not considered for VP). This is all about “Girl power” with you. A female who supports Obama down ballet, is okay? Still gonna vote for her? Oh, that’s right, Gregoire is STILL in her campaign fight…unlike “Rocky XIX” Hillary. Where’s that doofus that used to be on the frontline of her speeches in boxing gloves???

    • Ferdberfle

      You are the uncarved block, er, blockhead. You are the Tao te stupid.

  • Little Brother

    Ferdberfle..If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you’ve never tried before. Unfortunately, we’ve already tried McBush. If you’d like to lose a troublesome visitor, lend him money. Hillary’s got your $24 Million, now she’d outta here!!! If you’re going to be dumb, you’ve got to be tough. She was dumb to keep campaigning, and now has to be tough enough to resolve her own faults!!! Or, you were dumb to support her, and have to be tough enough to deal with your hurt, and vote your interest, not your emotions!!! If you think McCain, who’s already struggling to find someone his own party is satisfied with will pick Hillary…you must have not been paying attention the past two weeks.

    • Ferdberfle

      This isn’t about two evils but one–Oblahblah. McCain has a track record that I can actually follow. The junior Senator’s record is spotty and thin to the point of being transparent. And I have been paying attention, much more so than you. Being older than you, I know hogwash when I see it and the junior Senator reeks of it. You, on the other hand, have been swayed by the hopey, changey, warm fuzzies that make you feel good but cause your critical brain activity to cease.

      The rest of your post consists of hasty generalizations and prepackaged tripe that came unfiltered directly from the false Messiah’s mouth into what passes for your brain.

  • Little Brother

    Instead of getting married again, I’m going to find a woman I don’t like and just give her a house. Except, Hillary and the White House!!! I’ve suffered a great many catastrophies in my life. Most of them never happened. We avaoided the “Big One”, now that Hillary’s officially OUT!!! Life isn’t like a box of chocolates…it’s more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today might burn your ass tomorrow. Spend cash uncontrollably, divide a party, whine for a conventions spot…are those hemorrhoids, or is Hillary’s ass on fire?!?!?

    • Ferdberfle

      Why are you here, uncarved block? You’re either: 1) trying to convince us to vote for the carpet bagger, while having zero people skills, 2) lonely and need attention, and the negative variety suffices; or paid to come here.

      Which is it, Tao te kool-aide?

    • Clinton Fan

      Who’d you plagiarize that opening line from? Which comedian did you steal that from? I’ve heard it before, in a stand up routine.

      You fit right in with Deval Patrick Obama and Neil Kinnock Biden, I see!

      Swipe someone else’s material….WORD FOR WORD.

      After all, it’s just words….it’s all…bullshit!

  • Nomoredem

    This ticket reminds me of a July afternoon eight years ago when Bush wheeled out Cheney. Compare the similiaraties. Bush in 2000 overwhelmed his opposition in the primaries with money. Bush had six years of experience as governor. Bush was chosen ahead of time by the republican insiders.

    I really like Joe Biden, but is this really another four years of Bush-Cheney. More wizard of oz stuff. Biden would be making all the decisions, just like Cheney.

    The real problem that I see is what is this PUMA thing really all about? Are they tough enough to deliver on their threats? Last time I checked Hillary still had a pile of debt, despite them saying in June they had collected a lot of money to pay her debt off. Maybe a lot of them just forgot to mail the check.

    I think that most of those who have run around for the last two and a half months talking about how they would never vote for Obama will fall right in line after the convention, and come Novemeber they will pull the lever or touch the screen for him.

    If you want to change the way the Democrats run things, you have to make sure your voice is heard. The only way you can do that now is by changing your registration and making certain not to vote for Obama.

    • mimi

      I’m sure Biden sees it this way, but I got news for him. It’s back to business as usual with the VP slot. Biden will have no power in an 0bama administration. He will be gelded.

      Don’t delude yourself, he is not another Dick Cheney.

      0bama only picked him because he had no choice and it was the only pick he could live with for the time being. 0bama wanted someone else, but knew he had ZERO chance with his choice. If the polls had been more favorable, Biden would NOT be the choice.

      The Dem leaders behind the scenes probably strong armed Biden. And I’m sure in the back of Biden’s mind, he’s hoping 0bama is ineligble and he can at long last realize his dream: to become POTUS.

    • Clinton Fan

      I’d rather vote against Obama as a Democrat.

      Anyone who risks switching party affiliation this late in the game risks being disenfranchised.

      I’ll become an independent in December.

      You don’t seem to realize that there are many of us who are unaffiliated with “PUMA–The Organization.” For every person who is affiliated with them, there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS who share their goals but aren’t part of the organization.

      I am not a “PUMA member” but I am in accord with their worldview. I think for myself. I don’t march in lockstep, I refuse to be “told” what to do or how to vote or what to believe.

      There are plenty like me out here. We are drawn to the PUMA concept because it reflects our feelings.

      I’m pretty sure the DNC has started figuring that out, too. And I’ll bet they’re sick about it. Too frigging bad.

  • glennmcgahhee

    Biden is an MSNBC favorite. I bet no other politico has ever appearred so many times on Hardball.

  • Perry Logan

    Interesting e-mail I received today:

    F.Y.I. ****** update on the Bill Gwatney murder in Arkansas

    After publishing a story on the Bill Gwatney murder in Arkansas last
    week, new information surfaced in an email to TheCityEdition.com. On
    the day before the killing, Gwatney may have told the group
    petitioning DNC delegates for Sen. Clinton’s name to appear in a
    roll-call vote that he would sign on to the drive. Evidently he is
    the only state chair to do so, Most other members of the Arkansas
    delegation were also indicating to organizers they would support her.
    Sen. Clinton won the state on Feb. 5th by 44 points, her biggest
    margin nationwide. Significantly, in a roll call vote at the
    convention, Arkansas is one of the first states called, with a
    potential for starting a bandwagon effect.

    So the timeline goes like this: 8/12 Gwatney agrees to back Clinton
    nomination – 8/13 Gwatney shot – 8/14 DNC announces Clinton will be
    nominated.

    In addition, on Tuesday, Little Rock Police announced that the keys
    found in the killer’s home attached to Gwatney auto dealership
    keychains were old and did not fit anything, suggesting that this
    might have been diversionary, if not planted, evidence. The article
    has been updated to reflect all the latest facts. If anyone has info
    on this case, please get in touch. Here’s a link to the story:

    http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BillGwatney.html

  • Peep

    And I will still vote for my State Attorney General Dem candidate but I have now flipped on my District candidate, Pelosi’s and Clyburn’s house are doing a poor job spending spending spending and pointing the finger at the other guy’s and more of the same will not help she has a margin proof majority and is failing miserably. I am going for divide governance in 08.

    And while Dean may view the Republican’s as the WHITE Party I now view the Democratic Party as the Good Ole Boys Party

  • yttik

    I think the Gregoire election is a good snapshot of what’s going on with nat’l politics. Myself and many other Dems did not vote for her the first time and she nearly lost. It’s not that we like Rossi, it’s not that we’re Republicans, it’s that we don’t like Gregoire and we resent being forced to chose the lessor of evils. It’s not really about having a choice anymore, it’s about voting against somebody. You have to support Gregoire because she’s not Rossi. Except look at what’s now happened nationally, the Dem party has robbed everybody of their power. You will allow the unity pony to hump your leg because you have nowhere else to go. You will accept whatever we dish out because what are you going to do, vote McCain? Dems are no longer winning elections because they have an agenda we support, they’re winning based on how offensive their opponent is.

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    Why don’t they just run the original ticket–Duval Patrick and Neil Kinnock, instead of a couple of guys who PLAGIARIZED those two!!

    :lol:

  • vi

    Biden, well he is old politicas, and the problem with this pick, they were so worried the Hillary was so much stronger than Obama from experience and record, well Joe Biden overpowers Obama, and the visual picture i get from this call for vp is that he will be running to a symbol, uncle what do i do now, will you choose my friends for me , since I do not have good judement in doing so?? So who will really be running the White House, Biden is a man that speaks his mind and well atleast you know he speaks from experience, this will not look so good when the voters actually see Biden as a shadow of the President, and not Obama. Joe Biden , is a great friend of McCain, and in his own words he would rather be on his ticket, Biden represents all the right votes and Obama highlights the negatives, its ashame that Biden would say No, and see him much worthier than being on Obamas ticket.

  • William L. Donlon

    It’s a Kangaroo Ticket — All The Power Is In The Hind Legs!

    Staying on point of this article:

    We are now just supposed to forgive and forget Obama and his race baiting super delegates and media??

    No Way!

    Has anyone else noticed that either “racists” are now “in” or the term racist has lost all meaning!

    Wasn’t Biden called “Racist” by Obama less than a year ago for saying “The One” was “articulate”???

    Wasn’t Biden called “racist” for chairing the “high tech lynch mob against an uppity black man” named Clarance Thomas???

    Wasn’t Bill Clinton called “racist” by Obama two weeks ago for saying no one could really be prepared for the Office of President????

    Wasn’t Mrs Ferraro called “racist” by Obama six months ago for suggesting “the one” might be under qualified after only two years in the U.S. Senate?

    Wasn’t Hillary called “racist” by Obama three months ago for stating correctly that her husband and Bobby Kennedy both had failed to secure the nomination by June??????

    Wasn’t Bill Clinton called “racist” by Obama seven months ago for stating correctly that Jessy Jackson had also won the S.C. Primary???????

    Wasn’t John McCain called “racist” by Obama just two weeks ago for saying nothing in particular???

    Didn’t Obama call his Grandmother a “racist’ for —

    No one should remain a “Super Delegate” who supports the race baiting pattern here????

    Sorry! I’m not willing to forgive or forget.

    I think Obama will loose as big as McGovern because the Jackson wing of the Democratic Party refuses to support his race baiting tactics.

    They didn’t support them in the Primary and they will not support these racist tactics in the General Election in November.

    If we walk away now and support Obama, we embrace his odious words and actions. We are saying “to hell” with the 18 million who came out to cast their vote and repudiate Obama’s race and class baiting tactics used against Hillary and Bill and all of their supporters.

    The American electoate, Democrats in particular, are on to “The One” inspite of the Media bing “in the tank” for him

    Al Smith, another great Dem. used to say:
    “Lets look at the record”.

    O.K. Lets look at it.

    Obama had a great February and nothing else.
    He lost all the “Big States”,
    He lost Ohio and Texas,
    He lost “Super Tuesday”
    He lost Penn,
    He Lost Indianna
    He lost Michigan, Florida,
    He lost N.Y. and N.J.
    He lost Mass. N.H. RI.
    He lost the popular vote
    He lost, he lost, he lost!!!!

    Hillary did not loose the Primaries, Obama did.

    Hillary is rising in the Polls and Obam is sinking as we speak.

    It is not Hillary or her supporters that need to “suck it up” and “CHANGE”

    It’s for “The One” to do that or he, not Hillary, will loose in November..

    Ass Kicking Season begins the day after Election Day!

    We take back the Democratic Party and purge it of the “Left Wing Klan’.

    Every “super delegate” who supported Obama’s race baiting tactics deserves a primary challenge as a race baiter in the next go round. Why? Because they earned it!

    Ruthless?? You bet!! But to Quote Speaker Tip, “Politics ain’t bean bag”!

    Take names in Denver and kick ass in November!

  • luis

    Sen. Obama is too inexperienced, insincere, and inadequate for the Presidency. As evidence, is his 3 AM text message. Hillary was talking about a real circumstance and Sen. Obama makes it a complete joke. He is a liar – he lies about Fisa, public financing, his upbringing and his religion. Superdelegates change your votes. Hillary is our only hope.

  • Soldier of Christ

    No respect for Hillary- no respect for the democrat party- they are going down- watch!

  • Soldier of Christ

    Everybody here on this blog knows why Biden was picked. Let’s all be real. The man’s name is LS. Biden’s son did a huge favor- and this is pay back time. In a way, I am happy that our golden girl did not get on the ticket- I hope she has enough sense to give him ” a payback and stop being up his rearend too.” He has no respect for Hillary and her supporters- so let’s show the party that 4 years of Mccain is better than 4 years of a terriorist appeaser. If I was Hillary (which she has too much class to do this) tell the democrats- go to hell- and join teams with Mccain. I am sure the conservative will look the other way for the good of this country in turmoil times.

  • Soldier of Christ

    Comment by Little Brother | 2008-08-23 05:41:04
    ____________________________________________
    You are not well. Your comment are immature and clueless. How much does the Obama camp pay you? I heard it was 7.00 dollars an hour. Tell your false messiah that he is going down with the 18 million that he thought didn’t matter. “Plugggzoom- goes the level for Mccain’ at the polls!

  • http://none Peg

    Democratic Party to women, “Drop Dead”.

  • http://lnab.newsvine.com/ Linda

    ultimately, while they get it that the Precious is going down, in hindsight, the ONLY thing that could have made them wake up before the convention was if we had went after the downticket Dems who support Barry.

    Guess I wasn’t willing to do that. While the DNC has completely destroyed our opportunity for recovery for the next 4 years, I hope to limit the damage by putting more Dems in office who might NOW follow Clinton’s lead after the landslide defeat that’s coming for BO

  • pkat

    A vote for the Independants is a wasted vote. My vote will not be cast to elect a candidate this election. It will be to NOT elect a candidate and to take a stand against a party that has slapped this lifelong devoted member IN THE FACE. My vote is my punch back. The DNC has chosen to turn it’s back on me to promote race this election instead of policy, capability, eligability, qualifications, platform, & just plain common sense. They deserve to lose and I will do my part to ensure they do.

  • Debra

    Hey, as Rush would say: The Dems for Obama are having a “collective orgasm”. Yuck-I want to puke in my soup.

    • Clinton Fan

      Actually, alot of them are pretty bullshit.

      They think Obama sold out.

      They don’t like a pro-IWR/DLC type shoring up the ticket.

      They are being told to STFU and “Get in line.”

      That is, of course, the same thing they tried to tell us Clinton supporters.

      They aren’t liking it any more than we did.

      :mrgreen:

  • http://thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com/ Puget Sound Island Girl

    It crossed my mind to not vote for Christine (in WA). The thing is I could NEVER for vote Rossi. I am angry that she supported Obama but I won’t vote for a Republican governor is my great state. I am worried about what he would do to the environment and to the people.

    As for President, for the first time in my life I will not vote Democrat if it is Obama. I am worried about ALL that Obama and his Chicago thugs would do.

    I will not “punish” Christine. We need her.

    AND we really need Hillary!!!

    • Raven

      I appreciate your point of view, Puget Sound Island
      Girl.
      Yours, is a judgement call that we all have to make
      regarding our own elected leaders. See my post *up
      above.
      I couldn’t agree with you more that we need Hillary!
      Her debt still needs to be retired. Perhaps after
      her speech everyone can contribute 20.12!
      Just a thought! What do you guys think?

  • nobonomo

    Completely disagree, it is people like Christine who have created this mess for the democratic party. If her judgement was to impaired as to support Obama, a no talent, no experience, bring nothing but trouble candidate then she does not deserve to be an elected public servant.

  • Sassy

    Susan, I respect your logic and decision!
    However, I view things differently.
    Those who endorsed BO, condoned his actions and those of the DNC!
    They insulted me when they insulted my candidate, and now it’s time for ME to inform them that it was unacceptable!

  • Andy

    Biden: “the other one” from Scranton PA….The Obama campaign is going to take HRC’s ads and change her face for Joe’s… (snark).

    Seriously though, I think Caroline K. and Obama are so
    enamored with the crazy fantasy Obama is like JFK that
    they went with Biden to recreate the illusion he’s like LBJ …

    I say whatever: it doesn’t change the top of the ticket and that is the problem.

    As for local politics: everyone should really do what you think it is best LOCALLY for your state, your county where YOU live and what directly could affect the lives of the people in your community, your state, your politics. Doing otherwise seems rather silly to me. having said that I will vote for Ed O’Reilly in the Democratic primaries against Kerry. For the GE it’ll be a different consideration but whichever way I vote for Congress is –for me– unrelated to what I’ll do regarding the POTUS slot. That’s a different question altogether.

    And as far as revenge of the DNC I say losing the POTUS would be bad enough for its leadership after all the harm they have done this past primary cycle.

    But then I wonder: look at Brazile, she screw up with Gore and ended up as a powerful SD with a big microphone as pundit on CNN: how come ??!!
    I definitely do not want Dean and Pelosi to join her in the pundit world… I want ALL 3 of them Pelosi, Dean and Brazile OUT and AWAY for good.

    • Clinton Fan

      Kennedy had fifteen years on the Hill in the House and the Senate, LBJ had decades in both chambers AND was the Majority Leader–the “Master of the Senate” as Robert Caro noted.

      A cardboard cutout imitation, perhaps…but not even close to the real deal.

      Of course, Caroline was a child back then. If she picked Biden because she thought he had similar qualities to LBJ, she’s a poor student of history.

      The fact that she, a rich elitist who married an older man with scads of dough and who has never had to work for a living, was even INVOLVED in the VP pick is rather bizzarre. Would you ask your florist to assist with brain surgery, because he once had a relative who was a brain surgeon?

      The whole campaign is just one fuckup after another.

  • Gayle in Oregon

    Revenge in the most satisfying of all human emotion. But, do we sink good politicians, like Christine Gregoiere, along with the bad ones? Sorry to so say, yes. Because, there is another good politician with good judgement just around the corner to replace her.

    We cannot equivocate on this if we really believe the Democratic party corruptly selected Obama and shoved Hillary aside ignoring the voters and supporters who have been loyal, thoughtful Dems for years in favor of the rowdy newcomers. WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED FOLKS! The party needs to a scrub starting with Dean, Pelosi and Brazille and going down the line. Then rebuild with the the right people and more centrists and frankly, more in touch with the regular Americans, the ones who decide elections.

  • OBushMA!

    Obamamania is like a cancer. Once the tumor is out in November, the body will heal. So, no need to kill the body to cure the disease.

  • http://lchow.webvis.net/temp.html lchow

    Not knowing your e-mail address and not knowing where to post this message “Early Riser’s Open Thread” seemed like the best place for me to post information for your readers and as a message to you as follows:

    I have new information for you and for your readers. In Hawaii anyone can submit birth certificate information well-after a person was born. My father’s brothers were born in Hawaii and they did not have certificates of birth. They applied for them and all they had to do was to submit the information that they wanted on the birth certificate and the State of Hawaii accepted this information as factual even if it was incorrect and false! You and others should check into these things and questions as to who submitted this information for Barry Dunham and when his birth information was submitted.

    All it took for my uncle to get a legitimate birth certificate was to have two people vouch for him and he could have submitted anything he wanted.

    Also, please publish my sites on Obama:
    http://himyaosui.livejournal.com
    http://himyaosui2.wordpress.com

    PUMA ‘08

  • Dmitriy

    If POOR and DISABLED are voting against her, then there must be a reason. She should’ve thought of that.