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How Can Rick Davis Project 2nd Qtr GDP at -1.5%? This is a MUST Read, Listen, Learn!!

If the American consumer represents 70% of our economy, shouldn’t economists study consumer spending as much as possible? Well, one individual, and he is not a trained economist,–he is actually a physicist by trade– has done and is doing just that. Who is this visionary? Richard C. Davis of the Consumer Metrics Institute.

I hosted Richard on my radio show, No Quarter Radio’s Sense on Cents with Larry Doyle Welcomes Rick Davis, last evening. If you have any interest in the economy (and if the economy is even peripherally linked to the markets), you MUST listen to this interview (audio player provided after the fold). Those who follow my work know I am not one taken to hyperbole, but last evening’s show was as good as it gets in terms of cutting edge analysis on the economy focused specifically on the consumer.

What does Richard Davis and the Consumer Metrics Institute do that is so special? The institute promotes itself as:

“Bringing the measurements of critical economic activities into the twenty-first century by mining tracking data for an understanding of what American consumers were doing yesterday.”

How does the Consumer Metrics Institute analyze consumer spending literally yesterday and the day before that? They focus on internet-related purchases of discretionary, durable goods across ten major segments of our economy. Yes, folks, this data is the ultimate ‘canary in the coal mine.’ (STICK with ME….!!)

While the entire interview is a must listen, the 6-minute ‘knock your socks off’ clip starting at the 44:00 minute mark is mandatory. Please allow me to provide my own edited version of this segment, in which I am discussing with Richard how government analysts and economic academicians have problems in sourcing and studying data to project GDP.

RD: There’s a problem with the lag in getting the info. The second problem they have, they’re looking at production (LD’s edit: as opposed to the CMI’s focus on real-time consumption) which is way downstream. We think what’s happening in the economy isn’t necessarily what’s happening at factories.

LD: So, you’re way upstream with the consumer?

RD: We’re way upstream with the consumer. It’s going to take some time for the impact of the consumer to flow downstream to production.

LD: In layman’s terms, what you just told me is you’re ahead of the curve or you’re ahead of the academicians or the government analysts in measuring GDP.

RD: Yes. Just by virtue of where we’re sampling. We’re sampling upstream and we’re getting daily data. It takes us two days to authenticate and validate, not a month, and we’re measuring on a daily basis.

LD: Could I be so abrupt and ask you what 1st quarter GDP is going to be?

RD: 1st quarter GDP, we would guess, is going to be about 2.5%. The reason I say that is that’s where our numbers were 17 weeks earlier. What we notice is that our Daily Growth Index, as we call it, leads the GDP at least over the last 6 quarters by about 17 weeks.

LD: Wow!! That right there is an unbelievable statistic. I mean 17 weeks, heck, that’s more than a quarter itself.

RD: Yes, yes it is. In fact, the 1st quarter GDP will approximate where our numbers were at the end of November.

LD: So if that is the case, instead of 1st quarter GDP, could I be so bold as to ask what you think 2nd quarter GDP is going to be?

RD: Oh you may, you may! We would guess that the 2nd quarter is going to end up in contraction by about 1.5%. (LD’s edit: That’s -1.5% 2nd quarter GDP, boys and girls!!)

LD: Really!!??

RD: That’s where consumers are at right now.

LD: You’re saying again, I just want to go over that, you’ve got 2nd quarter GDP contracting by 1-1.5%. You think that’s just a function of the wearing off of stimulus? Wow!! That’s a big number. You’re not going to make a lot of friends in Washington with that call.

RD: We don’t get invited to the Washington parties!

LD: You’re invited back to No Quarter Radio’s Sense on Cents with LD whenever you want.

RD: The reality is, as we look at the data there were two bursts of consumer activity that occurred to trigger the recovery, although this is a jobless recovery which, in my mind, most consumers and most citizens would consider a jobless recovery an oxymoron. There is no such thing. Given that we have this thing that the Fed is convinced is a recovery, it’s all the spin. We saw consumers do two things. We saw consumers spend more in Christmas 2008 relative to a year earlier, although it was barely noticed, and they spent again starting in March 2009, but that peaked in August. Since then it’s been basically downhill.

LD: Wow. That’s amazing insight.

No spin, no nonsense, no posturing, no pandering. Just straight and direct review and analysis of real time ‘canary in the coal mine’ consumer data. Do a friend a favor and share this with them. Do yourself a favor and find an hour to listen to the entire interview. I guarantee that you will learn a wealth of information and be better prepared to navigate the economic landscape.

LD

  • Jim S

    …I’m not too surprised as this is in line with what I have read on other blogs, using other measures. When you have the combination of deficit spending gone mad, increasing taxes and other charges, high unemployment, “growth” that is fueled only by  government spending and pulled forward demand programs (cash for clunkers and cash for appliances) plus maxed out consumer debt, dropping sales tax revenue, “extend and pretend” programs (TARP and HAMP) and a refusal to face the facts  (or enforce the existing law) rife in Congress, the administration, the media and much of the public, it is hard to expect much else.

    The solutions, of course, are very simple and very painful in the short term. Bring back Glass-Steagall, force the banks to have sufficient assets and declare them, force the regulating agences to do their jobs and prosecute a long list of “congress critters” Probably mostly Dems but certainly a number of Reps and their bankster friends. Ouch! But the alternatives are worse.  I think we are in a Depression and we could dick around and create one worse that 1929-1940.

  • Jim S

    ….In that run-on sentence of mine I left a lot of problems out, but I should really thank Larry Doyle. I use his commentary to compare with the “pump monkeys” and the “voices of doom.” Unfortunately, Larry seems to be saying much the same thing as the “voices of doom,” but in a more tactful way and with some shreds of optimism. We’re not quite at “sauve qui peut” and I hope we don’t get there…

  • Guest

    Not the best news for sure but, it was a great show and he was a great guest. Thanks for posting the recap for those folks who might not have had the time to listen in.

  • Diana L. C.

    Larry,

    Thanks for providing the audio link.  I can never find the time when the program is aired as that is my busiest time of day.  I guess I need to qualify my gratitude, though, because what I heard was not uplifting. 

  • sowsear

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  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    physicist’s are much better mathmatticians than economists. If you want to look at real numbers, trust the physicist. If you want theory and policy the economist is your guy.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    physicist’s are much better mathmaticians than economists. If you want to look at the real numbers, trust the physicist. If you want theory and policy the economist is your guy.

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