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“Memo To Paul Krugman And Rep. Van Hollen…”

If you have followed my writings for a while, you know that I was a huge fan of Paul Krugman’s. His columns were insightful, based on sound economic principles and facts. But then something changed once Hillary Clinton was shoved out of the process by the DNC – he immersed himself in the Kool Aide, and started smoking that Hopium. Now, he is writing columns not on economics – which is his field, but more political punditry. Without the facts that is, apparently.

Here’s the thing. Recently, Sarah Palin put a map on her Facebook page of Democrats to target in the November election. Apparently, Krugman took exception to it in a big way, according to this article: Memo to Paul Krugman and Rep. Van Hollen: My Search Was Not in Vain.

So what did Krugman say? This:

In last Thursday’s column, Paul Krugman admitted to having fun watching “right-wingers go wild.” One of the things that apparently delighted him was this map which Sarah Palin posted on her Facebook page:

Each of the cross-hairs represents a Democrat from a conservative district who voted in favor of health reform. Immediately after highlighting the map, Krugman wrote:

All of this goes far beyond politics as usual…you’ll search in vain for anything comparably menacing, anything that even hinted at an appeal to violence, from members of Congress, let alone senior party officials….to find anything like what we’re seeing now you have to go back to the last time a Democrat was president.

Wow. Those are STRONG words. Presumably, an academician, and a writer for the NY Times would do a search, or have fact checkers do it for him, before making such a claim. One would think, anyway. Think again:

Really, Paul? I’ll search in vain?

The map appears on this page of the Democratic Leadership Committee website (dated 2004 during the Bush years). I guess we could argue over whether the DLC counts as “senior party officials” but they’re certainly as much a part of the party as Palin who, after all, currently holds no elected office.

Granted these are bulls-eyes instead of gun-sights, and the targets are states not individual congressmen. But we’re really splitting hairs at this point. This map and the language it uses (Behind enemy lines!) are, if anything, more militant than what Palin used in her Facebook posting.

But wait, there’s more!

When Palin’s map became an issue, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, leader of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), rushed on MSNBC to denounce it, telling Chris Matthews:

I really think that that is crossing a line…In this particular environment I think it’s really dangerous to try and make your point in that particular way because there are people who are taking that kind of thing seriously.

You may recall that I had a video up recently of Rep. Chris Van Hollen making outrageous claims about what was in the Health Care Bill, completely denying components of it that were well documented. Evidently, that trend is continuing:

Really, Chris? So what do you think about this map?

Each one of those red targets represents a “Targeted Republican” like this one:

There’s even a helpful legend that makes it clear that’s precisely what the little red targets represent:

You’ll never guess where I found this map. That’s right, it’s on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) website. They launched the site and the map on February 23rd of this year, making it just over a month old. And yet Van Hollen was quoted by Politico just today denouncing Republicans for “pouring more and more gasoline on the flames.” Right back at you, pal.

Okay, this map was put up about a month ago, and the chairman of the committee on whose website it is doesn’t seem to know it’s there? Huh – well THAT says a lot. And none of it good, because he is either a liar or ignorant:

Rep. Van Hollen used MSNBC to claim Palin’s map was dangerous. In fact, the website of the organization he runs has a nearly identical map. Rep. Van Hollen should be asked to explain the differences between the two maps. Specifically, what makes Palin’s map “dangerous” and his map not so much?

Paul Krugman used the megaphone of the NY Times to state that Palin’s Facebook map went “far beyond politics as usual.” He further claimed, “you will search in vain for anything comparably menacing…from members of Congress.” Notice he didn’t say it was hard to find or rare. He said, in effect, that it didn’t exist. But since my search was not in vain, the Times should issue a correction noting that Krugman got it wrong.

Ummm, well, seems to me they are pretty much the same. I’m no hunter, but I don’t think there’s a whole helluva lot of difference between a bullseye and a sighting target.

How is it that two major media outlets are so lazy about facts? I admit, MSNBO has lost a ton of credibility after the 2008 Elections and onward, but still – to not even bother to fact check at ALL?? I am really surprised by Paul Krugman. I thought he was better than that. While he may have consumed copious quantities of Kool Aide, I did not expect him to make completely unfounded claims in order to ratchet up anger at someone (in this case, Sarah Palin). That is a sad state of affairs, if you ask me. Like John (the author of the article above), the NY Times has a duty to its readers to print a retraction. I hope they do. Their reputation has already been damaged by partisan reporting, and this won’t help one bit.

Is it really too much to ask to have news sources, and their pundits, base their opinions on actual facts? So it would seem…

ON A DIFFERENT NOTE: My heart goes out to our fellow citizens in the Northeast, especially Rhode Island, while they deal with record breaking rains, and devastating floods. Many of the areas hardest hit by the floods are also experiencing hard hits with unemployment. Unbelievable what is happening there…

May you all be safe, may your losses be few, may jobs increase soon, and may your lives return to normal as quickly as possible.

  • stodghie

    i have not been a fan of krugman for awhile. sorry to say he has been a disappointment.

  • Ani

    Wow, Amy.  Well done.  Fabulous research.  The ridiculous rhetoric both sides use when it advantages them is over the top — then the seem to develop short term memory loss.   Amazing.

  • Diana L. C.

    RRRA,

    Good work doing what Krugman, who is so much more important than you (BIG SNARK) couldn’t do.  Yep, the hypocrisy of those so-much-better-than-the-Repubicans abounds.

    And thanks for mentioning the people in Rhode Island.  Has the current POTUS even mentioned them?  (I really am asking because I don’t know.)

  • donjo

    Let’s see now, there’s only so many ways to indicate locations on a map. Just a few are an “X”, a bull’s eye target, an arrow, a colored dot, but I’ve never seen a “cross-hair rifle sight” used.  Until now.  During these times, using this symbol shows Palin is a moron.  Plain and simple.  Next thing you know, she’ll be using a “mushroom cloud” to indicate blue states that will have nothing to do with her.  And yes, there is a difference between a “target” and a “cross-hair.”  One being the recipient of what the other is aiming at; one being the shootee and the other being the shooter. There were other ways to indicate locations without being so “expressive.”

  • Diana L. C.

    I think you’re spitting hairs here, donjo.  A bull’s eye tarket is used by people with bows and arrows, a far more painful way to die in many cases.  A dart in the eye would hurt, too.  You just don’t like SP.

  • oowawa

    Yes, the violence in the targeting icon is overwhelming.  I can see where such an image would bring out the psychokiller in an otherwise rational human.   I think it would have been much more creative if the congressional targets that needed “clean up” had a more expressive icon, like this:

  • ~~JustMe~~
  • ~~JustMe~~

    Good post as always RRR Amy!!  
     

    No Speech for You  
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/02/no_speech_for_you_105020.html

  • goldengrahme

    Oh, well…the political beat (bleating) goes on.  And ON.  That is precisely why nothing gets done in D.C.  It’s too much fun to cast the first stone, getting the
    upper hand on an issue and dragging along voters who like their pablum
    regurgitated and easily swallowed–like nestlings.  Good post and good
    conversation.  We may eventually overcome, but that is problematic, also.

    Too bad good people like Paul Krugman are getting sucked into the vortex.
    We need strong characters who think out of the MS spin convolutions.
    Pitching hype seems contagious.  Don’t blame Sarah Palin for catching
    the bug but to cast her alongside Krugman in debate is indeed a waste of
    his time and our engagement.  IMO.  Paul, resist!  You are not a media
    darling.  Stay away from ABC round tables–lol.  (Stick to PBS :)

  • AC

    I am a hunter and I took Palin’s map as pinpointing (open to interpretation I guess) but there’s no doubt the other map shows a bullseye and everyone knows that’s a target.
    Now off to get stuck in traffic looking at the Cherry Blossoms in the Tidal Basin.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great post RRRA.  Paul Krugman sold himself.  How sad he has become.  And they all, like Bill “Mr Sexist” Maher are so embarrassed they said anything and promoted Obama at all costs, they feel they have to dig their heels in deeper or be laughed out of money and work.

    Maybe Krugman actually meant, the last time I’ve seen so much politicizing, grand standing  was the last time we had a Democratic president, like now, as Barry “In you face” Obama has taken politics to an entire new level that makes Chicago Gangsters look like Salesmen.

    Ya think?

    Well my, where was the media with Obama’s instructions to “Get in their face” or “All Fired Up”.

    Please.  These losers, and that’s what they have become and now they know they are finished after this One Hit Wonder, so they’re laying it all out for anyone to buy what they’re selling, don’t want to report the truth.  They are intentionally hiding the truth and that makes them all LIARS.

    Thank you for giving us a place to call out all these liars.

  • Jackie

    “His columns were insightful, based on sound economic principles and facts. But then something changed once Hillary Clinton was shoved out of the process by the DNC – he immersed himself in the Kool Aide, and started smoking that Hopium.”

    TRANSLATION: Paul Krugman was a Democrat before the primaries, and remained a Democrat after the primaries.  He opted not to follow the PUMA brigade off of the cliff.

    “Now, he is writing columns not on economics – which is his field, but more political punditry. Without the facts that is, apparently.”

    Paul Krugman has been writing columns on politics since 2000, during the Bush-Gore battle.  Anyone who thinks he just started writing about politics since Obama won the nomination has not been following him at all–contrary to their original claim of being “a huge fan”.  Whatever.

  • candymarl

    Having done my share of shooting what the DCCC and Palin have done is a distinction without a difference.

    RRRA, I agree that both sides could tone it down. It seems the American public has been forgotten in all of this political posturing.

    Contrary to what the pundits say I think this feeling of being forgotten and their opinions ignored is what’s fueling the anger and the Tea Parties.

    Excellent post BTW.

  • getfitnow
  • jbjd

    Beautiful, R3A.  This is a really important post.  I will try to post this link on as many left of center sites that will have me.  (The Confluence won’t post me; but I know some of you here at NQ post there, too.  Please, post this link.  Eventually, the news will hit Kos, Democratic Underground, and other like-minded sites.  

    All that is needed to restore the balance in our political process to the side of the sovereigns, that is, we the people; is to get those people who have not done so yet, to question what information they previously assumed was true. 

    COUNTRY before CLUB

  • andyp

    Krugman did not become  a kool-aid drinker until he and another ecomomist were invited to the White House for lunch.  I was very surprised that he could be bought.

  • AC

    Again, it does not look like cross-hairs from my scope and may very well be a surveying symbol.

  • Boxer Mum 06

    May you all be safe, may your losses be few, may jobs increase soon, and may your lives return to normal as quickly as possible.

    Well said Amy

  • sybilll

    Krugman is doing a superb job as water carrier.  I wonder how many brownie points he scored for saying that the death panels will save money?  http://prevarication.net/2010/04/do-democrats-value-life-it-depends/

  • candymarl

    Good article. It illuminates the point I’ve been trying to make.

    If all disagreement is racist then when racism really rears it’s ugly head it will be dismissed.  That helps no one.

  • andyp

     Krugman has had high praise for Obama since this lunch.Monday, May 4, 2009 11:27 EDT Obama’s dinner with Stiglitz and KrugmanWe know they ate roast beef and discussed the banking system. The rest is a mystery. By Andrew Leonard

    In David Leonhardt’s epic interview with President Obama, published in this past weekend’s New York Times Magazine but which actually took place on April 14, the president says he has “enormous respect” for economist Joseph Stiglitz and that “I actually am looking forward to having these folks in for ongoing discussion.”
    Now we learn from Newsweek, (via Taegan Goddard) that:

    On the night of April 27, for instance, the president invited to the White House some of his administration’s sharpest critics on the economy, including New York Times columnist Paul Krugman and Columbia University economist Joseph Stiglitz. Over a roast-beef dinner, Obama listened and questioned while Krugman and Stiglitz, both Nobel Prize winners, pushed for more aggressive government intervention in the banking system.

    Not even a whisper of this momentous news made it into Paul Krugman’s blog, which seems to me to represent a misuse of the medium. I’m sure the conversation was designated off-the-record, which makes it understandable why we have no blow-by-blow from Krugman, but still: I promise all HTWW readers that if I ever have dinner with the president, I will at least mention it in this blog. What else are blogs for if not  to tell people about your cool dinner dates?
    Oh, but would I have loved to have been a mouse in that dining room.

    KRUGMAN: If you do not nationalize Citigroup and Bank of America, you will have proven to the American people that the White House is owned, lock-stock-and-barrel, by Wall Street!
    STIGLITZ: The Geithner plan to fix the banking system is outright robbery of the American people, Mr. President!
    OBAMA: How do you like your roast beef? Raw and bloody, I presume? Please, have some more.

    One thing we do know: Paul Krugman’s oppositional stance was not ameliorated by the meeting, at least as judged by his last two blog posts, here and here. Although one does wonder if Obama’s harsh attack Thursday on the hedge funds who refused to budge on Chrysler was in any way influenced by the two Nobel Prize-winning economists.
    In any case, although I feel inclined to agree with Newsweek’s Evan Thomas that “it will take more than a few dinner parties to avoid the fate of presidents who lost touch with reality,” I’m still glad to hear that alternate points of view are making it into the White House.

  • Jackie

    “Krugman has had high praise for Obama since this lunch.Monday, May 4, 2009 11:27 EDT”

    If that is actually true, then why did Krugman write the following on January 20, 2010? 

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/he-wasnt-the-one-weve-been-waiting-for/

    “I have to say, I’m pretty close to giving up on Mr. Obama, who seems determined to confirm every doubt I and others ever had about whether he was ready to fight for what his supporters believed in.”


    Yeah, what a stirring endorsement that was.

    Only someone who does not regularly read Professor Krugman would ever claim that he has been “drinking the Kool-Aid” since mid-2009. 

  • I’m a Linda too

    And there is even a large store chain that has that symbol and bear the name, TARGET!

    http://www.target.com/ref=nav_2_t_logo

  • I’m a Linda too

    And there is even a large store chain that has that symbol and bare the name, TARGET! 

    http://www.target.com/ref=nav_2_t_logo

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy–Wow! What alot of research and work on your part. Thank you!
    I was wondering, would this type of “map” be less offensive for the Democrats? Hopefully so.. because they’re such a delicate, sensitive group of people.
    <img src=”http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31THXPQMKDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg” border=”0″ alt=”Pin the Tail on the Donkey and Other Party Games”/>

  • Cindy

    AC—Lucky you! I really miss DC sometimes, and this is one time I do!

  • andyp

    Once in a while he falls off the wagon, but not often.

  • Cindy

    <img src=”http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31THXPQMKDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg” border=”0″ alt=”Pin the Tail on the Donkey and Other Party Games”/>

  • Cindy

    Picture

  • carol haka

    You are sooooo right.  Maybe the Dems were just pointing out where new “Target” Discount Stores were going to be located.

    Because surely in this “post racial era” that Obama, Michelle, Rev. Wright, Louis Farakhan …………………….. have ushered in, until I saw those “crosshairs”, nothing of a radical nature entered my mind.

  • sybilll

    andyp, you should have read that article before saying he fell off the wagon.  This is Jackie’s very disingenuous attempt at saying Krugman criticized Obama.  This article was about his beloved Obama caving on the Public Option.  He was criticizing Obama for not being far enough left.  No worries though, we was very much enamored again, by the very next article. 

  • carol haka

    :-D :* O:-) :-D

  • carol haka

    You left out “darts” and “pin the tail on the donkey”!

    :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

  • Jackie

    Once in a while he falls off the wagon, but not often.”

    If you honestly believe that, you have not been following his columns or his blog.  He is a constant critic of this administration from the Left. 

    Unlike PUMAs, just because Krugman still believes in the same things the day after the Election, that he did the day before the Election, does not make him any kind of sell-out. 

    Unlike PUMAs, Krugman was for the insurance mandate before Hillary lost the nomination, and after she lost the nomination.  Anyone who suddenly saw its evil once Hillary lost, after having vigorously defended Hillary over the mandate throughout the primaries, retains not a scintilla of intellectual honesty in their bones.

  • carol haka

    The only “mushroom cloud” will be coming from the Oval Office or out of Iran.  >:o

    See how I was able to use that imagery several different ways – drug produced or Obama and Amandenajah produced, and I didn’t have to use the term “Sarah Palin” once.  Imagine that???? :-D

  • Jackie

    “This is Jackie’s very disingenuous attempt at saying Krugman criticized Obama.  This article was about his beloved Obama caving on the Public Option.  He was criticizing Obama for not being far enough left.”

    Ah-hah, I see!  So it DOESN’T COUNT if Krugman–a very liberal economist, who has been writing very liberal columns on politics and economics for the past decade–criticizes Obama FROM THE LEFT.

    For PUMAs, they could only respect Professor Krugman if he abandoned his lifelong economic/political principles entirely out of spite once Obama got the nomination over Hillary, and started endorsing supply-side economics and writing National Review-style hit pieces on Obama…from the Right

    That’s what integrity is made of–according to PUMAs.

  • ragingchihuahua

    Dildo,
    you musn’t stay up late scaring yourself thinking up these things. it’s not healthy.

  • Docelder

    I think Palin’s calling will be to head a middle class American “superparty” made up of members of both current parties. I wouldn’t make the mistake of calling it conservative or liberal or tea party for that matter. Just call it middle class American and it will pull from all over across all parties and all races and religions or no. Palin neds to say away from runing herself. There is more power behind the offices than within them. Let the left spin some hate speech at middle class Americans. Ths is why Palin scares them silly.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Obama’s census choice: simply African-American
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100402/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_census

  • Diana L. C.

    When a person has an epiphany, it changes everything.  WE PUMAS had such a “come to Jesus” moment when we realized that Obama was definitely NOT THE ONE.  Remaining a Democrat is not half as important as remaining a democrat.  Try to get the difference here.

  • Tricia

    Krugman has been letting me down as of late.  Seems like he got a new batch of Kool-Aide to soften his otherwise brilliant brain.

  • Jackie

    “Remaining a Democrat is not half as important as remaining a democrat.  Try to get the difference here.”

    How about remaining in the good graces of the PUMAs is not as important as retaining one’s soul?  Try to get the difference here.

  • Cindy

    Doc—I believe you might be on to something.

  • Cindy

    Diana—great comment! Yes, that little “d” is the key.

  • Cindy

    JustMe—thanks for that link…I hadn’t heard about that. Sheesh–that guy REALLY hates whites!

  • Armymom

    You know, I find the “target” blather ridiculous. My sons played football and let me tell you, they had “targets” posted on each and every team they were to play. It wasn’t about being violent, it was a metaphor for them to say they were going to play with all their might and win against the opposing team. I see it the same way with the “crosshairs” on these maps. To read violence into them is ridiculous. We are lost as a country, PC run amock. :(

  • confused American

    Thank you again RRRA for another insightful article.
     
    Again we see the conflicting interpretation of similar, almost identical items as presented by both sides of the political fence
     
    So once again it seems that the Horrendous Republicans/Conservatives are way out of bounds and being threatening to the innocent Democrats/Liberals.
     
    How soon they seem to forget that the same tactics were used, and sometimes overused by the DNC, their elected politicians and/or supporters.
     
    What makes this whole issue so irrational is that the elected Democrats are opening displaying that they are  either 1)they the Democrats  are  very stupid in not realizing the similarities…Or   2) Calling most Americans stupid in thinking that most Americans would  not remember these same similar tactics being used by the DNC, elected Democrats and/or supporters during previous administrations, like the GW administration.
     
    GW protestors is one of the biggest areas that has been too soon forgotten, the signs the chants and the threats…No  I didn’t vote for GW, would have voted for Hillary. Yet I do still remember very well the many anti-war protests during many previous administrations, including GW’s administrtion.
     
    Just looks at  all the tactical complaints that many Democrats  have been bringing forth of violence and threats against them, yet neglecting the fact that the same has been and is currently happening with Republicans/Conservative organizations/people.
     
    Still waiting for the video or tape  of the tea party members who used the N word or the F word to Frank for that matter in DC….(heard there were dozens of cameras, with quite a few owned and/or being operated by Obama supporters).
     
    Hey we do have the video of the guy threatening Cantor, along with several Reid supporters egging the Tea Party Express and harassing a tea party member.( Egging in most states is a felony…Reid supporters wouldn’t commit felonies would they).

  • audacity of hype

    mmmm, not so quick there Jackie pants.  This Hillary supporter PUMA, would support health care reform that was not created FOR the benefit of insurance companies.  I think if Hillary had been in charge of the process, the outcome would have been very different because she wouldn’t have thrown the workings of such an important piece of legislation to the house and senate willy nilly with no guidance and expected something reasonable to emerge.  That’s just not the way a professional does business.  It is the way a beginner who is “present” expects things to get done … someone else does the work and they just show up to take credit for it all.  Now we’ve got reform that helps no one except insurance companies.  Otards sing and dance because Bam Bam pulled it out of the fire.  Bully for him.  I hope someone is around to clean the mess up when all is said and done. 

  • confused American

    Like I said in another post, the phrase “You’re Racist” has been way and is being way overused.
    It has gotten to the point that I don’t think 1/2 the people in our country know the true meaning of the phrase “You’re Racist” 
    I’m waiting for the phrase  to have its own definition on the internet or Dictionaries within a few years.

    “You’re Racist”  —  1)Disagreement with the 2008-20012 presidential administration.  2)Anyone that disagrees or interrupts the personal harmonization of your bad judgments, political beliefs or ???.

  • Jackie

    “I think if Hillary had been in charge of the process, the outcome would have been very different because she wouldn’t have thrown the workings of such an important piece of legislation to the house and senate willy nilly with no guidance and expected something reasonable to emerge.  That’s just not the way a professional does business.”

    You know it’s really interesting that you said that.  Because what you are advocating instead–constructing the entire package in the White House, then handing it to Congress and saying “sign it”–is exactly what Hillary did in 1993.  Gee, I’m trying to remember how that all ended…

    “Now we’ve got reform that helps no one except insurance companies.”

    Tell that to the hundreds of millions of Americans who, after the regulations fully kick in, will never again be denied an insurance policy based on pre-existing conditions, and will never again be dropped from a policy whenever the company feels like it.

    Health insurance enshrined by law as a basic American right.  Gee, what a nightmare…

    Face it folks: Barack Obama is now the most successful president, legislatively speaking, since LBJ. All the rants, distortions and whines in the world can’t change that now.  Sorry…

  • Steve1

    This is the same same type of crap/manure which they pulled on Hillary Clinton during the primaries…Remember Barry Soetoro and his posse were all outraged, their panties were all pulled up, too tight!  Over the remarks made by Hillary regarding Robert Kennedy….. and they did the same thing thing with her comment regarding LBJ’s role in passing the civil rights bill..”Do they remember Mr. Soetoro’s remarks in Philly, during the primaries< “We will bring GUNS!!  How quick these assholes forget, do they think the American people are “STUPID!”  We need to flush all those shitheads down, in the next election cycle!

  • donjo

    As I said, at this point in history, when 30 governors are getting less than subtle messages that their offices must be vacated in 3 days and when fools are carrying assault rifles to political meetings, nut-case militias are plotting police-killing orgies, etc. etc., it is not the time for either side to be speaking of targets or cross hairs.  However, apparently there’s not much choice in the english language to express similar feelings.  As for Sarah Palin, those who are so in love with her might want to examine her record both as a mayor and governor.  As mayor, the town debt grew from @ 1 million to 22 million and as governor, the debt to GNP ratio grew to  90%.  California’s debt to GNP ratio is “only” 40% and look at the trouble that state is in.  Just sayin’.

    I think we live in violent times and sorry to say, I don’t have the answer.  One of the reasons, I fear, is the anonymity of the internet, where people can feel free to curse, denigrate, and otherwise make shit of other posters without any fear or reprisal or recrimination. We have seemingly lost our ability to treat others as equals – even if we may disagree on various issues.  Looking at the national scene and the gap between left and right, up and down, I fear for open revolt and lots of people getting hurt by being targeted or put in the crosshairs.

  • audacity of hype

    You’re such a tool.  Your comparison of Little Boots to FDR would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic.

  • Jackie

    You’re such a tool.  Your comparison of Little Boots to FDR would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic.”

    The only tool is the one who thought I compared Obama to Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  Read again, dearest.  Here’s a clue: just because they use 3 initials, doesn’t make them the same person.

  • EllenD

    Agreed. Krugman has sold out. It’s obvious mostly this week when he disagreed with Paol Volker about the banks being broken up.
    Krugman’s argument was that a bunch of small banks could fail together with the same effect as one of the big guys.
    But that misses the point.
    A small number of large banks wield a huge amount of political power and can (and do) run the government. This isn’t democracy. Volker is right.

  • Jackie

    “..”Do they remember Mr. Soetoro’s remarks in Philly, during the primaries< “We will bring GUNS!!  How quick these assholes forget, do they think the American people are “STUPID!”"

    No, but you are.  Obama never said “we will bring guns!”  He quoted the great David Mamet script from the movie The Untouchables.  You know, where Sean Connery describes “the Chicago Way”?  “They bring a knife, we bring a gun”.  It was to rally up his supporters, you doofus.

  • confused American

    Interesting cartoon I found on Obama’s family history…Only 1 thousand G’s to locate it, but 1 million 900 G’s to hide it…

  • EllenD

    Face it folks: Barack Obama is now the most successful president, legislatively speaking, since LBJ.

    Wasn’t yesterday April Fools?

  • Docelder

    So he was mimicking a mobster and you think saying that helps?

  • Jackie

    So he was mimicking a mobster and you think saying that helps?”

    No, again, really, knowing what you’re writing about is important before you start writing.  Sean Connery plays  A COP in the friggin’ movie.  TAKING ON THE MOB.  He said that line, in the role of A COP, about TAKING ON THE MOB.  IN A MOVIE ABOUT TAKING ON THE MOB.  THAT OBAMA LIKED.  THAT EVERYONE LIKES.

  • Steve1

    Yeah, Jackie, “We got the drift!”….

  • audacity of hype

    FDR, LBK, JFK,WJC ….. BHO can’t hold a candle to any of them.  It took him a year to “pass” that legislation with majorities in both houses.  If he were truly a successful leader, he could have taken a well thought out package to congress and emerged with a good bill for this once in a lifetime chance for change – since he had majorities in house and senate.  But, he didn’t, because he doesn’t have the kind of leadership those other presidents had.  He’s just Little Boots and he always will be.  And you will spend whatever time you want on this website and others trying to irritate people and bolster his accomplishments because he needs bolstering.  And if it’s not you it will be others like you.  And folks like me will occasionally find themselves in conversatios like this knowing the futility of it because I’m not going to change my mind and you’re not going to change yours blah blah.  But, have fun continuing to hold him up on your shoulders because he’s gonna need it.

  • Steve1

    Jackie….It was like he was just poking his nose…when he “Fipped Hillary Clinton off during the primaries!”  Right we got you your meaning!

  • Armymom

    Kind of like playing at his rally  ”99 problems and the “bitch” aint one of them”? Yep, we got the drift….

  • Diana L. C.

    OMG–now you’re questioning the state of my soul?  Can that be beccause you equate O with the MESSIAH.  Sorry, I was raised in a very religious family, attended church as I grew up, was confirmed.  It was not a Bible Belt neo-con church in case you’re wondering.  I had to study much about the theology of the various Christian denominations to understand much of what was written by the great English writers and American writers during my undergrad and grad courses in literature.  I’ve also taken classes on the many world religions and “mythologies,” as some would call them. 

    I participated for a long time in a voluntary study group on Christian mystics while in grad school.

    If you want a discussion about the soul, I’ll run circles around you is my guess.

    Self important confidence in one’s absolute right to think as one wants to think, as you do, is close to being the hubris that brought down many a Greek hero.

    I agonized for months over my change in heart about the Democrats.  You don’t turn from something you’ve been involved in since 1972 without much, much thought.  So question the state of your own soul before you question the state of mine.

  • Diana L. C.

    And it’s o.k. for him to use gun metaphors but it’s absolutely not o.k. for Republicans to do the same.  Wow, Jackie’s skin is very thin!  Methinks she protests too much.

  • Diana L. C.

    Actually, I never saw the movie.  I guess your “category” of “everyone” does not include me.

  • getfitnow

    If this is true, someone needs to be brought up on charges for inciting violence. This is dangerous stuff.

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/it-was-a-setup-state-run-media-conspired-on-racist-tea-party-attack/

  • Jackie

    “when he “Fipped Hillary Clinton off during the primaries!”

    Anyone who still believes that actually happened has the I.Q. of a Heinz Ketchup bottle.

  • Jackie

    And it’s o.k. for him to use gun metaphors but it’s absolutely not o.k. for Republicans to do the same.  Wow, Jackie’s skin is very thin!  Methinks she protests too much.”

    Actually, I don’t agree with the criticism being levelled at Palin over these “targets”.  It’s just a figure of speech about competition: “we’re targeting you”, etc.  I don’t think Palin should be attacked for this.

  • AC

    Seems like everyone is buying into this “cross-hairs” business.  Just looking though a gun sight the cross hairs are there to center an object (a bird, a tree, a rock, the moon, etc) no intent to shoot/kill is implied or can be inferred.
    However, a bulls eye is a definitive marker against which action can be implied or inferred.

    One is a mode, the other is an object.  Which is worse?

  • Jackie

    FDR, LBK, JFK,WJC ….. BHO can’t hold a candle to any of them. ”

    Who the hell is “LBK”?

    “It took him a year to “pass” that legislation with majorities in both houses.”

    Oh, ok, now the problem is he took too damn long about it!  Do you forget universal health insurance was first proposed A CENTURY AGO?  Harry Truman, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton–they ALL had majorities in both houses, none of them could get universal health insurance passed.  Obama did it.  Sorry…

  • AC

    Seems like everyone is buying into this “cross-hairs” business. Just looking though a gun sight the cross hairs are there to center an object (a bird, a tree, a rock, the moon, etc) no intent to shoot/kill is implied or can be inferred.
    However, a bulls eye is a definitive marker against which action can be implied or inferred.

    One is a mode, the other is an object. Which is worse?

    That’s my three cents (I had 2 and found another this afternoon).

  • AC

    Cindy,
    Traffic was terrible, probably because it’s such a nice day for visiting but it’s way too hot.
    As an avid gardener I hope we get some cool spring weather.

  • AC

    The same cross-hairs can be seen through a surveyor’s scope but not a target.  For that matter, I’ve seen such through a periscope (on TV of course).

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Ani!  Though I can’t take credit for the map research – that belongs to John at VerumSerum.com. 

    But yes – it is remarkable the ratcheted up rhetoric that both sides use, but at this point, the Dems still have the biggest mouthpieces with the media, or so it seems. 

    I am not only incredibly disappointed in Krugman, but the Gray Lady, too..

  • foxyladi14

    happy spring

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Diana and Just Me…

    Yes, Obama has said something abt RI here and here.

  • Docelder

    From what you wrote initially, he sounds more like a mobster than a cop. If they bring knives, we bring guns… Why wouldn’t the cops have guns? they are the cops and cops have guns on them all the time.  But, you would have to actually seen the movie to know. I never saw it. All I know is you saying it was about the Chicago way… which doesn’t surprise me to be honest. At any rate, you are right on one thing… I won’t take your word for anything again.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, IALT, and you are so right.  When Krugman supported Hillary, he did so because of her POLICIES.  He wasn’t making these kind of ad hominem attacks that have become all too common with Democrats these days.

    Since consuming the Kool Aide, however, ad hominem attacks have become the norm for him.  Very sad.

  • AC

    They wanted to pass “Health Care” not “buy insurance”.  Speaking of Clinton, why didn’t the Democrats want Clinton’s Health agenda?  Ted Kennedy wanted his name on it is what I suspect–rather cynical don’t you think.

    My issue with this Jackie, is that throughout the primaries and the run-up to the  general election Obama kept saying “my plan” “my plan”  well he never had a plan.  He just takes credit for being there–nothing but an opportunist, not a leader.

  • Docelder

    Which makes me think we will have some astroturfed violence that has something to do with crosshairs. That way the press can blame Palin for it. The press is full of Kabuki.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, candymarl, and thank you for stating so clearly and concisely what the PROBLEM is – people are not being heard by the very people elected to listen to them, and who are paying their salaries.  That can make people a tad testy…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thank you so much, jbjd – I appreciateyour saying so!

    Country before club, indeed!

    And andy, I, too, was so surprised, and DISAPPOINTED, that Krugman could be bought.  Wow…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Cindy, thanks, but the credit belongs to John at verumserum.com.  The Memo is HIS, just to be clear, with my comments.  But he did the work.

    Apparently, it’s okay for the Democrats to use maps with targets on them, but absolutely FORBIDDEN for Sarah Palin to EVER use anything that is remotely akin to hunting.  Because she’s a hunter, see, and there is just something so WRONG abt that (major snark!!!).  Sigh…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Great comment, CA!!  Thank you!

    And Steve, you are RIGHT ON TARGET!!  (Oh, wait, is that threatening or anything?  Shesh!  What the hell can we SAY these days?  :) )  Absolutely this is what they did to Hillary over Robert Kennedy.  I do not know how these people live with themselves creating these firestorms over NOTHING and painting someone first as a racist, then saying she was threatening Obama. What total BS…

  • candymarl

    If looking through crosshairs and pointing at targets is a crime then we better arrest the US Military.  They do not teach you to talk people to death. ‘Nuff said.

    You can’t have it both ways. Obama should disarm the entire US Military and disband them.  If these Obama supporters are so upset about a map why are they not upset about the continuation and expansion of the wars they once marched against? Where’s the outrage? Michael Moore pleaded with Obama not to expand the war into Pakistan. Obama did it anyway. Protests? None.

    I think the HC Bill was a red herring. Look over there! Forget the wars, dead civilians, and GIs. Don’t protest those instead make it about Tea Partiers who are all racist, Palin and a bunch of RW nutjobs. Notice people are talking about a map but not Obama’s considering offshore drilling.

    What happened to the nightly reports of death of US troops and the effect on their families? *crickets*

    I guess wars and dead troops don’t matter now. We got 100% free healthcare.

    There’s no such thing as a free lunch. That’s an old saying. There’s a reason for “old sayings”. They’ve been proven true over many years.

  • confused American

    Read it….and it sounds like somone made a very early release on an incident prior to it even coming close to happening.

    The Democrats are going overboard in trying to derail their run away train that is about to crash and burn this coming November….They need to put the brakes on the untruths or Democratic train will be burning for many years to come…

  • TermLimits

    Jackie – Obama may have passed a bill, but it took him a year to bribe all the crooks in congress to do it, I suspect.  ALL the other presidents probably were not willing to go there.

  • Patience

    Thank you for the article RRRA.  I still subscribe to the NYT (thinking of stopping) but no longer bother with its op-ed pages which are predictably pissant and partisan.  What a boring bunch of bitchy bloviators are Rich, Dowd, Krugman and Brooks.  Opinions of bubble-residing media elite mean little to me. 

    I’m not a huge fan of Palin when it comes to her as a possible POTUS but I find her dogged determinism inspiring.  I’ve never used a gun in my life so until it was explained I thought those symbols on her map were camera foci.  Silly me.  I can’t believe Krugman got his panties in a twist over it, considering the DNC’s map. 

  • confused American

    So how many remember this protest song from the 60s…I sure do and its seems to currently fit more and more these days.

    Stop, Hey What’s That Sound Lyrics by Buffalo Springfield
    there’s something happinin here
    what it is aint exactly clear
    theres a man with a gun over there
    tellin me i got to beware

    i think it’s time we stop, children
    what’s that sound
    everybody look what’s goin down

    there’s battle lines being drawn
    nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
    young people speakin there minds
    getting so much resistance far behind

    Chorus

    what a field day for the heat
    a thousand people in the street
    singing songs that they’re carrying signs
    mostly say hurray for our side

    Chorus

    Par-a-noia strikes deep
    into your life it will creep
    it starts when your always afraid
    step out of line the man come and take you away

    Chorus x4

  • sybilll

    My word.  How many people had to be complicit to pull that off?  Sickening. 

  • goldengrahme

    There are many phrases I could isolate to defend or denigrate Paul Krugman.
    I have chosen ‘points he scored for saying the death panels will save money’
    from Sybilll’s comment and give my interpretation of what occurred to
    me as I watched the roundtable discussion headed by George Stephanopoulis.
    George (amid the self-conscious giggling of the other panelists) said that
    the death panels would save money.  Of course they will because that is the
    whole point; Krugman merely identified the statement and agreed.  I didn’t
    think Paul was actually agreeing with the premise, but with the cold, financial reality.  He seemed a little out of his element among the polished talking
    heads.  He is an academic, not an entertainer, after all.

    We all know the concept of disallowing medical treatment can only spiral down
    into medical malfeasance.  It will be like any human transaction–there will
    be graft, fraud and abuse.  The whole sorry health care system is broken.
    No one knows how to fix it.  Or at least there is not a consensus and the
    power brokers hold all the trump cards.

    Like Dennis Kucinich on his infamous plane ride, Paul Krugman may have been given a schmooze he couldn’t refuse.  Who knows?  When you inhabit the realm of White House politics, brute force and cool calculation are part of the arsenal; why otherwise, would anyone seek the Presidency?  It’s a power trip and often attracts small minds who want to carry big sticks; they entice all within their sphere of influence.  Economist Gerald Celente said it succinctly:
    these are the geeks from high school who thought they knew everything and dismissed others as beneath their status. 

    They are now the faces of the ruling junta.

  • Patience

    I’m with you candymarl.  Thank you.  I’ve also been wondering where are the anti-war protests and nightly TV reports of casualties and collateral damage.  Now we really have to dig around to find this type of info.  And Big Media wonder why they’re failing.

  • Guest

    I think we have a much more polarized political system, a much more polarized social climate.

    His solution? To “radicalize” himself and transform himself from being a sober, if somewhat Liberal and ocassionaly IMO too pessimistic, economist contributing ideas to becoming part of the problem he criticizes here, polarizing everything and hurling rhetorical bombs, pointing fingers at everyone for the problem but himself and “his side”, opining from On High, difinatively, on subjects that he knows little about and bothers even less to learn about, &tc.

  • AC

    schmooze he couldn’t refuse
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Good one

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Audacity, I hate to correct you, but it isn’t just ins. companies which wil benefit from the new “Health” care law.  Remember, Obama met with Big Pharma before ANYTHING else happened with this bill, giving them major concesions and gobs of money. 

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Sadly, yes, Tricia.  Like I said elsewhere, he USED to write articles based on fact and economic theory.  Now, he attacks people personally.  What a shame that this is what he has chosen to do to hand with the ones he perceives as “cool.”

  • Diana L. C.

    Thanks!

  • confused American

    Obama and the DNC so overused the Race Card in 2008. 
    What is sad is that it worked, for many became scared to question Obama’s speeches, point of view or for that matter his background for fear of being labeled a Racist. 
    How many prominent Democrats were labeled Racist during the campaign just because they supported Hillary…Yet now ????
    How many statements of some Democrats are very openly Racist in the last few years??? Yet they seem to try to twist and turn words, often out of context of those non-Obama supporters to make them racist–Why???

  • Diana L. C.

    Actually, as usual, there WERE videos of these events.  We watched many of them here on NQ during the primary.  We didn’t see them anywhere else because the sycophant MSM didn’t “choose” to show them.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Great comment, Patience.  You had me LOL abt the op-ed pages.  I used to read the NY Times religiously myself.  Not any longer, that’s got sure.

    That’s the thing – people don’t have to like Palin to appreciate what she has accomplished in her life.  This “politics of personal destruction” thing just seems not only beyond the pale, but REALLY immature and juvenile.  We don’t all have to agree, but that does not mean we need to try and destroy the other person to make ourselves feel superior. 

    And so much stuff abt her are the very things we feminists have been saying were GOOD things.  She stood up for herself, she fought the Old Boys Club, and WON.  She and her husband have a partnership of equals.  She is both a mother, and has a job outside the home (not that there is ANYTHING wrong with women who work in the home, and being a homemaker is most DEFINITELY work).  She is athletic and played sports in school.  She worked hard, and held one of only fifty jobs in the entire US.   But far too many Dem women demonize her why?  Because she has it all?  Because she’s a hunter?  Because of her politics?  I didn’t know that when I was fighting for woen’s equality and rights (an ongoing battle) that it meant we all had to walk in lockstep together.  I thought the point was for women to be self actualized, however that looked for them, you know?

    Anyway – great comment, Patience.  Sorry for the diatribe!  :)

  • Diana L. C.

    Yep, this was written about the Kent State Massacre, which I clearly remember. 

    Many, many years later I had a young woman in one of my research writing courses ask to research what exactly happened at Kent State.  She had been raised, of course, by people from my generation and had heard that song so many times as her parents played their “records.” (Remember them?)  I agreed to let her do the research if she researched original sources from the newspapers and journal articles of the time as well as sources written later about the event.

    She did a great job.  We do have many wise young people out there.

  • Diana L. C.

    Mea cupla, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa—I am worrying about the state of my soul so the obots don’t have to.

    I just realized I was thinking of a different song by Crosby, Stills, Nasch & Young–the one that starts with “tin soldiers and Nixon coming.”

  • confused American

    Is this the one…..

  • confused American

    there are several places that have stored these videos…Since so many sites were getting white washed…You tube still has them for all the deniers if they want to watch them…

  • Onofre’s arm

    “For What It’s Worth” came out in ’67, three years before Kent State.

    No “mea culpas” necessary Diana, it is a good excuse to post the song! :)

  • whoframedrudy

    I tuned Krugman out when he joined the ‘race card’ chorus:  ”the Tea Party is opposed to HCR because Obama is black.”

    I’m not an economist, so if I’m going to spend time reading an economist — or a supposed ‘expert’ in any field — it has to be someone who doesn’t lie.  I know Krugman lies about the Tea Party, so he will also lie about economics; he’s not worth reading.

    Another thing about Krugman.  I’m sure Krugman’s a very smart but dishonest man.  But is he any smarter than the Soviet economists who wrote their failed ’5-Year Plans?’  Soviet nuclear physicists and rocket scientists were just as smart as their U.S. counterparts, their musicians, writers and athletes were brilliant.  So why would their economists be idiots?  The problem wasn’t the Soviet ‘economic experts’, it was the bloated size of the 5-year plans and the dumb political ideology that drove them.

    That’s all this Obama stuff is to me, the massive ‘stimulus’ plan, the massive health care plan — just bloated ’5-Year Plans’ on paper.  Will they work any better?  Obama could crash the existing Medicare/Medicaid system that’s barely working as it is.

  • lorac

    Ack, when is your shift over?  Go away!

  • oowawa

    Actually, BO’s signature uses something very like cross-hairs:

  • Buzzlatte

    So I wonder if he’ll hire more attorneys to defend the census choice?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    LOL Doc she’s a real winner =-O

  • Buzzlatte

    Also a grapho-analyst would have a heyday with that signature.  I took the class years ago.

  • sybilll

    I did mean to applaud you RRRA for this great post.  I had seen a similar post, linked to a map from DCCC in 2004, so, obviously your post is much more timely.  I had a forest for the trees kind of moment.  Apologies. 

  • sybilll

    “Krugman merely identified the statement and agreed.  I didn’t  
    think Paul was actually agreeing with the premise,”
    If you can parse how agreeing, yet not agreeing are not conguent, I am all ears. 

  • sybilll

    congruent, argh. 

  • hot librarian

    Obama signed into law the carr
    ying of arms (concealed )into National Parks.

  • confused American

    Look what I found — Wow a parody on Health Care Reform using  the Song  ”For What It’s Worth”

  • Diana L. C.

    confused American, thanks for posting.  I just haven’t figured out how to do that yet.

    It reminded me again of teaching a group of kids in our prison town, many of whom had gang banger fathers there in the prison.  One particularly nasty ninth grader would sit in his desk and keep that finger up on his cheek and sometimes on his forehead.  So one day after enduring his next attempt to disrupt the class with some idiotic stupid comment, I asked him to step into the hall with him.

    There I told him that of course I knew what he was doing with his finger and that I had decided that, knowing what it means, the next time he did it I would take out a sexual harrassment suit against him because I had lots of witnesses. 

    He stopped doing it.

  • Breeze

    OBAMA:

    11/2 WHITE

    43% ARAB

    07% BLACK

    00% AA

  • goldengrahme

    Sybilll, Krugman, to my way of thinking, said, in effect, “Yes, the death
    panels will save money; however, that did not mean he condoned them.

    He should have  immediately followed up with: “but I don’t agree with the
    politics and economic philosophy.”  However, the rest of he panel–as I
    said–were giggling and putting out one-liners, overriding sensible debate. The whole issue got lost in the crowd.  Krugman seemed uncomfortable to me.

    This happens many times on these panel discussions.  It is a free-for-all
    format and more, IMO, for entertainment than for true analysis of very
    serious issues.  Maybe Krugman will learn to be more assertive as he goes
    along.  Signs of the times…we live in a media-hamstrung society. Sigh……

  • Breeze

    HERE YOU GO , BUZZ, FROM

    MichelleObama’sMirror.com

    bettyann said…

    MOTUS, you poor dear. That is one UGLY bunch of people. The rat face over Pelosi’s right shoulder gives me the shivers!!

    You are in luck.

    It happens that I took up handwriting analysis as a hobby many moons ago. Girls, never trust a man who writes all in caps.

    The first thing you need to know about handwriting, is that it is brain print. And it is all common sense. Also, that there are three areas in the analysis – above the base line, on the base line, and below the base line. Above the baseline is the super ego, on the base line the ego, and below the baseline the id. As an example of what this means, have a look at the writing of a teen. They write primarily in larger letters, the writing resting on the base line, filling up the “ego” portion of the brain print. And as we all know, teens are mostly self involved.

    At first glance this signature – the signature being his public image (I have yet to see the body of his writing, say a letter written on unlined paper) – portrays an enormous super ego with the over sized caps compared to the ego, or base line. (Here the baseline is created by the brain, because the paper is unlined – more on that later) That’s the first thing you notice when you look at it – the caps are HUGE, and the letters very small by comparison: his “ego” is restrained, shrunken, yet the all important caps are overblown, a huge super ego . In other words, his signature portrays an oxymoron. His public person is by design. How can we be sure? Regard the backward leaning “B”; backward leaning letters are the brian prints of a withholding person – forward leaning writing is a giving, open type, with healthy feelings they do not feel afraid to expose. Obama’s writing flows, however – this guy is very practiced at the persona he exudes.

    I analyzed The Won’s signature a year ago, and haven’t seen it again since. The small b striking the center of the O is new. It is also VERY weird. When a line invades the center of letters, like a tongue hanging inside (75% of the time) such as in small a’s, but especially o’s, this is a liar. Think of the forked tongue hanging into the mouth, the open letters being mouths. Next, note how the two words are mashed together. No room between words, as if they are hugging into one another, and this big O desperately clinging to the small b, or body of the word “Obama”, super imposed upon it. This is a person who is unbalanced, due to the discrepancy between the super ego and the ego. He begins his “B” at the bottom of the words, under the baseline, in the id , moving upwards to form the letter: the id is the source of primitive instinct. Obama begins his name with the pen pointing at himself, then proceeds with a huge backward leaning sweep into his super ego. This guy things he is born to be a God.

    I am not good enough at this to closely analyze the b striking the heart of the O, I can only tell you that it was not there a year ago. It is strange indeed. I can tell you that his baseline faintly falls away downward, meaning into negative territory. He does not feel the positive about the signing here. It is not level with the paper, but more, it does not have an upward/ uphill slant. Uphill slanting is positive feeling. Straight lines are even, deliberate and thinking, downward slants are depressed brain prints. This signature faintly slants downward.

  • Breeze
  • Breeze

    Oh, please, RRRA, NO apologies!!

    You have said it

    ALL,  SO WELL!!

    THANK YOU!!!

  • Buzzlatte

    Wow!  Thanks!  That is so cool!  I remembered the left leaning B and that it is unfinished or unconnected at the bottom, perhaps a disconnect from the name “Barack” or from reality.  It also means that the person is emotionally unavailable – how many times have people recognized that he doesn’t connect with people.  The dissected O is very weird – especially since it does look like a target or cross hairs.  

  • Audacity of Hype

    I stand corrected Reverend as your correction is based on point, not typo.  You are very correct.

  • Steve1

    Jackie…the foolish litle paid blogger!

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