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Democratic Women in the Tea Party Movement Bust Another False Media Narrative

It is shocking that even CNN has reported on Disgruntled Democrats Joining the Tea Party. Shannon Travis’ story quotes two disaffected educated, liberal women and their unlikely path to the tea party protests:

Some Americans who say they have been sympathetic to Democratic causes in the past — some even voted for Democratic candidates — are angry with President Obama and his party. They say they are now supporting the Tea Party — a movement that champions less government, lower taxes and the defeat of Democrats even though it’s not formally aligned with the Republican Party.

Yet CNN does not report the numbers correctly – stating that Dems comprise only 4% of Tea Party membership. According to a new survey in The Hill, Dems and Independent voters in the Tea Party comprise 40% of its membership. The Winston Group reports that 13% are Democrats. It is quite likely that the Democratic membership is higher than CNN or this Administration would care – or dare — to admit. Further, the popular meme that Tea Partiers are comprised mainly of “racist, extremist, angry white males” is now debunked as well. As Politico now reports

Many of the tea party’s most influential grass-roots and national leaders are women, and a new poll released this week by Quinnipiac University suggests that women might make up a majority of the movement as well.

Actually, women do make up a large part of the movement – most polls indicate their number to be about 53%-55%. Further, Gallup indicates that in terms of their “age, educational background, employment status, and race — Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large.”

CNN shares what droves two democratic women to join the Tea Party ranks:

A lawyer and lifelong Democrat, [Ann] Ducket made her political leanings clear: She said she was a campus community organizer for Democratic Sen. George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign, voted for Jimmy Carter and Al Gore, and previously ran for elective office in Colorado as a Democrat.

“I was a card-carrying member of the ACLU, and I probably did inhale in college,” Ducket said.

Ducket, who is now an independent and did not vote for Obama, said the president has “carried things to an extreme.”

“I think we’ve gone too far on the side of government doing too much,” Ducket said. “The Democratic Party is wanting to take care of everyone, instead of helping everybody stand on their own two feet.”

Roxanne Lewis expressed a similar point of view. A small business owner in Grand Junction, Lewis described herself as a lifelong Democrat and called the president a “phenomenal speaker.” She voted for him because she “believed in what he was saying: change.”

But, Lewis added, “I should’ve listened a lot closer when he talked about ‘spreading the wealth.’ ”

Asked how she feels about having voted for the president, Lewis said “I feel lied to, cheated and raped.”

I can assure Ms. Lewis, she is not alone. Given the fact that Mr. Obama calls himself a Democrat, I’m sure the betrayal feels even worse.

Lewis criticized the taxpayer-funded bailouts of financial institutions, which began under former President George W. Bush, and the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.

“These are not the Democrats that I have been brought up with,” Lewis said. However, she said she will continue to be a Democrat.

“We hear from folks, probably at every rally, who say, ‘I was a Democrat,’ ” Levi Russell, communications director for the Tea Party express tour, said.

“Having more Democrats join the movement shows that it is more representative of the American people than the antics of the Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi, Reid leadership,” Russell said.

I applaud these two ladies for going on the record. Considering the horrid demonization this movement has endured at the hands of “trusted media outlets” and those at the highest levels of this Administration, they must be mighty frustrated to go public. I no longer trust anyone who has a knee-jerk reaction, labeling others before understanding who they are and what they stand for. Hillary voters know all to well what it is like to be mischaracterized and insulted for the candidate they supported.

While there are more reports emerging acknowledging the legitimate grievances of tea party protests, they are still labeled as extremists. It is now starting to look as though the race baiting incident on the day of the health care vote, wherein Reps. Lewis and Cleaver, accused tea partiers of spitting and calling them the “N” word is evaporating – both gentlemen are backing off their initial accusations.

Conservative media mogul Andrew Breitbart first offered a $10,000 reward for anyone with any corroborating evidence of these incidents – he has now raised the reward to $100,000. You can read his entire story here.

So far, of all the people with video cameras, camera phones and the like who were in the crowd – no one has come forward to claim the reward. Surely, if anyone actually did this, they should be called out and condemned for it. But if it didn’t happen, this should not be used as a tool to discredit those who attend tea party rallies.

We will keep you posted if any thing new develops.

As Hillary Clinton said when she was campaigning for the Presidency: “Hold me accountable.” It is critical that we hold all our representatives in government accountable for their actions, their legislation but also for their rhetoric.

Demonization must not be used as a weapon to silence legitimate criticism. The Bush Administration was guilty of the same in labeling critics of the Iraq war. Both sides employ this immoral tactic and as frightening as it is to go up against the party powerful, it is my hope that enough citizens of all stripe will stand up and decry falsehoods put out by the press or irresponsible government officials.

It is also heartening to see women on both sides of the aisle join together in this movement — if only to let both the Democrats and Republicans in charge that women are more than one-issue voters.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great post Ani, thank you.

    Except, I know I just found out about the disgusting comments Rep Cohen(d)-TN said on Young Turks, internet radio last week.

    He ramped UP the HATE, Racism, lies and smear speech by Democrats.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/rep-cohen-tea-partiers-hardcore-anger-robes-hoods/#discussion-form

    He should just resign if he is this out of touch with our country and his constiuents.

    I contacted his off and Pelosi’s asking for, resignation and/or apology/rebuke and censure of the Congressman.  If Pelosi stays silent, the Democrats will be officially known as the party of Liars racism and hate speech.

    Their choice.

    But especially their ignorance as the Tea Party GROWS in support.

    Rasmussen has a poll out today showing 48pct share view of Tea Party, 44 with Obama.  NOT GOOD.

    Their poll also show 13 pct Dems, in Tea Party, 50 pct Indes align with Tea Party.    Yo Dem’s, that a majority of the people no matter which way you slice it.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/tea_party_48_obama_44

    Taxation without representation.

  • I’m a Linda too

    And while we are charging children with “Bullying”, when are we going to start charing our elected officials?

  • Ani

    Those comments by Rep Cohen are really appalling.  Unfortunately, I think he was speaking in a forum where that sort of thing is lauded rather than challenged for the drivel that it is.  Thank you for drawing it to NQ’s attention.

  • Diana L. C.

    Thanks, Ani–and many of the Independents in the Tea Party are ex-Dems! 

    Remember, too, that it should not be surprising that the Tea Party movement has so many women.  Women were basically told they didn’t count by the Dems in the last election.  Women had been the backbone of the Democratic Party.  When Obummer claimed Hillary’s voters would vote for him but his would not vote for her, I said, “Just watch who we will vote for!”  I think they’ve been underestimating the number of women they lost from the Dem Party simply because they made it clear we didn’t count.

    Women have had to worry the most about finances, whether they are single, married, work or stay-at-home.  Few women I know are the spend thrifts and shopaholics that are the stereotype.  The spending habits of the Dems must make many, many, many women cringe.  We have to balance our check books on a daily basis, and to see them going so much into debt is just nerve wracking for many women.

    (And I know there are amazing men out there, but I was so happy to see these fellow Dem and ex-Dem women speak up.  Coming from Colorado, I know that losing even one Democrat in the Grand Junction area, which has been solidly red for as long as I can remember, has to hurt.)

  • oowawa

    “Democratic Women in the Tea Party”–Don’t think I saw the term PUMA anywhere in your article, Ani.  I still consider myself a politically homeless male PUMA, though at this point I guess I’m an Independent.  I would assume that a large percentage of former PUMA’s would be sympathetic to the Tea Party.  The battle lines have criss-crossed and are reforming.  The Dem party kissed us off; this November it will be pay-back time . . . 

  • Diana

    I’ve been sort of attracted to the tea party stuff. I’m a disenfranchised ex dem. I’ve seen the derision many throw at the tea partiers and frankly I’m not sure why they are pounding on them. I mean I hear the same yadda yadda against them … But where’s the validity of the put downs?
    Surely the unproven charge of racism can’t be recycled yet again.

  • prime obot

    Dream on, tea partiers. 

    Californians take generally positive view of healthcare reformA new Times/USC poll shows voters saying by a 46%-29% margin they would be more likely to vote for a politician who had backed the health bill. On immigration, the poll found continued polarization.LOS ANGELES TIMES/USC POLLApril 04, 2010|By Evan Halper
    Reporting from Sacramento — California voters have a generally positive view of the massive federal healthcare package signed into law by President Obama last month, providing a potential boost statewide to the Democrats who pushed it through Congress, according to a new Times/USC poll.
    Republican leaders, campaigning against the bill, have warned Democrats that their votes would weigh them down in November’s elections. Although that may be true in more conservative parts of the country, the opposite appears to be developing here.

  • Ani

    Fabulous points, Diana.  Thank you so much for your post.

  • Ani

    I am sure there must be some PUMAs in the Tea Party movement but since I have no way of proving it — other than you and others like you writing to me and saying so — I left that category out.  And yeah, the Dem party did kiss us off, something i will neither forgive or forget.  The disrespectful tone of Pelosi, Reid et al, and the Obama campaign still tastes as sour as ever.

  • sowsear

    I still pick up pennies and return deposit bottles.
    When I was in college I ate a candy bar and had a coke for lunch,not healthy but only cost 10 cents

  • Ani

    That must explain why Barbara Boxer is having a little trouble breaing away from her Republican competition in polling samples — since health care is so popular.  I am aware this is only anecdotal, but every doctor’s office I walk in to, the staff is complaining about it — and these people comprise Obama’s demographics.  If they are so loose lipped in complaining about it to me (I am not bringing it up), that might indicate the rosy polling samples you offer are missing a few people.

    I wonder who they are polling — they have also not talked to me or anyone I know.

    Still, CA is not the rest of the country so we shall see.

  • Ani

    And while I am at it, PO, – what is with the “dream on” snark?  The article only points out that there are some democrats among the tea party ranks, more than CNN and others care to admit.  No one is predicting a rout in November or anything else.  Just talking about current FACTS and asking that Dems in power and media jokers stop mischaracterized and demonizing people.

  • sowsear

    She’s also having trouble balancing her own check book…134 bad checks

  • susiepuma

    Ani, as you can see by name – PUMA – dem party told me I was not needed on 5/31/08 – I changed my registration to Independent and I have said I will never vote for another dem – JFK would not recognize what the Dems have become – also, I am getting older (another part of the stereotype – old, bitter knitter white woman except I don’t have a gunor Bible & I refuse to be told I’m literate or uneducated – I attended schools before they were unionized & basically ruined) – and becoming more conservative in my thinking…….does not mean, however, that I am a Republican – but I do like the Tea Party and I do like Sarah Palin and everytime someone puts her down for some stupidass reason or another – just makes my resolve to see her elected stronger – I will work as hard for her – should she run – as I did for Hillary…………I want a female President before I die and I do hope I live quite a bit longer – I’m healthy so mostly I just hate the fraud’s healthcare scam……………..

  • jbjd

    O/T:  Is Eastan McNeill from WV?  There was a horrible coal mining accident there today; 6 (six) confirmed dead,21 trapped.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/us/06westvirginia.html

  • Ani

    Welcome, susiepuma, and thanks for your comments.  I think what floored me most about the 2008 elections — aside from the obvious of the horrid way Hillary and her supporters were treated — was the arrogance and elitism of those now in control of the democratic party.  I had to wonder — were they always this way and I never noticed?  I did not have a recollection of Dems behaving as badly and as disrespectfully as this to other citizens.  Then again, I was never in the position of supporting who they felt was the “wrong” candidate.

  • carol haka

    I’m an ex-PUMA that is definately a “Tea Partier”.

    I used to hang out at Riverdaughter’s.  She actually is still calling the Tea Party participants all of the negative names she can come up with.  Oh well, on a good day over there it’s all about “abortion rights” vs. personal responsibility.  That issue is soooooooooooo tired and boring, but I guess that’s all they have to hang on to as an excuse to still claim to be a democrat.

    I have voted for both parties based on who I thought had the best judgement and principals.

    I find it pathetic the way they rewrite history.

    The KKK was the strong arm of the Democrat Party.  One of their Klansmen is still in Congress.  And, wasn’t it Gore’s father that held up the Civil Rights legislation?

    Ho Chi Minh begged FDR to be their friend.  NOT! Years later the Democrats led us into a neverending war with casualities that destroyed my generation emotionally and physically.

    Barney, Dodd, ACORN and who knows who else is responsible for crashing the World economy.  They are all alive and thriving.

    If Bill had not gotten in trouble lying, maybe the cry of the day would have been “Osama bin Laden is going to kill us” instead of “wag the dog”.

    And, a lot of Democrats forget that John Kerry got “direct information” that we were going to be hit, and he passed it on through the regular channels – no urgency.

    How many Democrats voted for the war in Afghanistan?

    How many Democrats voted for the war in Iraq?

    And, don’t be misguided about “weapons of mass destruction”.  We know they had them, we sold them to them years earlier.

    Pelosi knew “enhanced” techniques were going to be used. The only thing that kept her face from complete “contortion” is the botox.

    And, let’s be clear who created the Taliban.  That would be Jimmy Carter and Brezenski.  Brezenski still is allowed to show up and show his ass on MSNBC every few weeks on Morning Joe.  He and Carter should be buried head first in a sand dune in the Middle East.

    And, isn’t it amazing that all of the war protesters prior to Iraq, screamed in the streets “no blood for oil”!  Well, screamers, you got your wish – several trillions in debt – and who is getting oil for our blood?

    And, most importantly, the Democrats love them some oil but don’t want to drill if they might have to see evidence of an oil well.

    Ya know what?  In Texas, we like our oil wells.  We would like them in our back yard.  We would also like to buy our oil from Texas as cheaply as the Northeastern states get to purchase it.  Yes, we pay more for our oil than it is purchased for in another state.

    Like my history teacher said in the early 70′s, after our 1st shortage, “May my brother that lives on the coast of Massachusettes freeze to death in the dark” .

    I’ll take me chances again with the Republicans from now on.

    >:o

  • AC

    OT
    Butler  Bulldogs versus Duke Blue Devils at 9:30
    Take Butler
    Glad they’re not wearing Burqua’s–how would they call a hacking or reaching in  foul.

  • confused American

    I looked and looked yet cannot find the back up stats on that poll–Why..
    Yes Calif has a high Democratic population…but what was the breakdown on the people polled.
    If this poll polled more or way more Democrats than Republicans and/or Independents then of course its going to get the results it got.. I mean its a known fact that Democrats approve of the Bill…

  • confused American

    What floored me about the 2008 elections was the Very obvious corruption in the DNC and them flaunting in the faces of  registered Democrats face. 
    Counting voters in two states as 1/2 a voter — Give me a break
    Giving the election to Obama — Hillary had the votes and delegates…
    Overuse of the Race card over and over and over….
    The fraudulent posting of Obama on the state ballots of so many states…
     
    I guess the list goes on…
    I did not change my voting status…
    I decided to be one of those odd ball Democrats who said no to their Fraud, one of those odd ball Democrats who joined the Tea Party,
    one of those odd ball Democrats who does not support the current illicit crap that the Democrats are doing in DC.

  • confused American

    What floored me about the 2008 elections was the Very obvious corruption in the DNC and them flaunting in the faces of  registered Democrats. 
    Counting voters in two states as 1/2 a voter — Give me a break  
    Giving the election to Obama — Hillary had the votes and delegates…  
    Overuse of the Race card over and over and over….  
    The fraudulent posting of Obama on the state ballots of so many states…  
       
    I guess the list goes on…  
    I did not change my voting status…  
    I decided to be one of those odd ball Democrats who said no to their Fraud, one of those odd ball Democrats who joined the Tea Party,  
    one of those odd ball Democrats who does not support the current illicit crap that the Democrats are doing in DC.

  • carol haka

    Many people died tonight in the mine blast in WV.

    Thanks for the people willing to work these very hard and dangerous jobs for our benefit.

    God Bless all of them and their families.

    :’(

  • confused American

    What floored me about the 2008 elections was the Very obvious corruption in the DNC and them flaunting in the faces of  registered Democrats.   
    Counting voters in two states as 1/2 a voter — Give me a break    
    Giving the election to Obama — Hillary had the votes and delegates…    
    Overuse of the Race card over and over and over….    
    The fraudulent posting of Obama on the state ballots of so many states…    
         
    I guess the list goes on…    
    I did not change my voting status…    
    I decided to be one of those odd ball Democrats who said no to their Fraud, by voting for a Republican Presidential Candidate
    one of those odd ball Democrats who joined the Tea Party,    
    one of those odd ball Democrats who does not support the current illicit crap that the Democrats are doing in DC.

  • carol haka

    ……….. it’s an unending deck of race cards ……….

    >:o

  • Diana L. C.

    I had a full-tuition scholarship that paid my fees also.  But I had to buy my books, and pay for my room and board.  My parents couldn’t help much at all.  I clearly remember sweeping the floor all over our three-bedroom apartment hoping to find a dime so I could join my four roommates in buying myself an ice cream cone.

    I clip coupons, do my own housework, wear clothes for years and years.  I fix appliances until it’s impossible rather than continually buying new things.  I don’t have to be this way, I guess NOW, but those habits from years and years of scrimping are hard to get over.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Wow Primate Butt, I’m not capable of writing “DUH” large enough to express my utter shock at the poll you’ve cited. Imagine that, a plurality of Californians favor the Marxist BFD bill. Whooda thunkit? 

    There really is something to the old adage that if you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on Paul’s vote.

  • Diana L. C.

    Very good points!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Buck Futler!

  • carol haka

    PBS:  The Klan and the Democrats.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_kkk.html

    >:o

  • sowsear

    I looked in coin returns and in the lounge cushions.

  • sowsear

    When I was still a Dem. I used to wonder when the party would wake up and stop letting Repubs steal elections from them….then they did wake up but they had become something unrecognizable to any real Dem.
    Moral: Be careful what you wish for…

  • sowsear

    Naughty, naughty….

  • Dario

    I was a yellow dog Democrat until 2008 when I changed my registration to “undeclared”, e.g. independent.  Though I’m not a tea partier, I fit the profile.

  • Jackie

    (heckuva job, gang!)

    Tea Party Movement As Popular As Socialism

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/05/socialism-vs-tea-parties/

    The numbers don’t lie.

    The percentage of Americans viewing “The Tea Party movement” favorably: 37 percent. The percentage of Americans with a positive image of “socialism”: 36 percent. (Both sources, Gallup)

    *****************************************************

    Ha, ha, hah…ohhh ha, ha, ha, ha, hah!

  • FrenchNail

    I am one Puma. Went to my first tea party last April 15!

  • Jackie

    “I did not have a recollection of Dems behaving as badly and as disrespectfully as this to other citizens.  Then again, I was never in the position of supporting who they felt was the “wrong” candidate.”

    Oh, well that explains a lot.  You never had one of your candidates lose a primary.  When it finally happened, it was obviously a crushing experience. 

    Me, I’ve been active in Democratic Party politics my whole life, and supported several primary candidates who did not go on to win the nomination.  Who the establishment did not like.  Etc.  It sucked.

    The difference is, that did not make me completely give up on the Democratic Party and all of the principles our party stands for.  I still supported the general election candidate.  The greater good of supporting a candidate who generally advocated what my first choice advocated outweighed my personal vitriol at having lost the primary.

    PUMA?  Not so much.

  • Breeze

    I am pretty sure he’s a WVirginian, jbjd.

  • carol haka

    I went to the Tea Party event in Plano, Texas last year – I think it was in August.

    I also went to see Hillary 2 times on a Saturday in 2008 – in Fort Worth and then drove to Dallas to see her again that afternoon.

    I guess this proves I like to hang with racists!

    :-D

  • Jackie

    That must explain why Barbara Boxer is having a little trouble breaing away from her Republican competition in polling samples — since health care is so popular.”

    Calif.: Boxer Holds Up in Polls

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/eyeon2010/2010/04/calif-boxer-holds-up-in-polls.html

    U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer is holding her lead in a recent poll.

    In a L.A. Times/University of Southern California poll, the three-term Democratic senator has a comfortable lead against a generic Republican candidate, 48 to 34 percent.

    “She seems in a better position than I would have thought,” said Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, a co-director of the poll.

    Among Republican primary voters, former Rep. Tom Campbell led with 29 percent support, former Hewlett-Packard Chief Carly Fiorina was not far behind with 25 percent and Assemblyman Chuck DeVore came in last with 9 percent. Thirty-three percent were undecided.

    The survey of 1,515 registered voters was taken March 23-30 and conducted by Democratic firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner and the GOP firm American Viewpoint. It had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.
    CQ Politics currently rates the race Likely Democratic.

  • FrenchNail

    Carol, I remember seeing you at Riverdaughter. It was a great site at one point, but now, it is full of anger and narrowmindeness. That MyIQ guy is just too much. And Riverdaughter, well I would say stuck in a timewarp….

  • Jackie

    “But where’s the validity of the put downs?  Surely the unproven charge of racism can’t be recycled yet again.”

    ‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader

    Dale Robertson, a Tea Party activist who operates TeaParty.org, is getting stung for an old photo — taken at the Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston — in which he holds a sign reading “Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    REMEMBER FLAG EARLY AND OFTEN!

  • carol haka

    Exactly.  The 36% who have a positive image of “socialism” are the Democrats you hair brain.

    Jeezzzzzzzzzeeeeeeebus.  Do we have to explain everything to you?

    >:o

  • karen for Clinton

    And socialism has been around how long?

    And you are how old?  My guess,  17 years old, max.

  • Jackie

    “And, a lot of Democrats forget that John Kerry got “direct information” that we were going to be hit, and he passed it on through the regular channels – no urgency.  ”

    I was following along with your opportunistic swerve right and left through American history, until I came upon the passage above.  Then I realized, “Oh, this person is just crazy”.

  • carol haka

    IT’s a fact.  Look it up.

    >:o

  • carol haka

    Yeah, the rationalization for poor behavior and the drive to back the radical take over was more than I could take.

    >:o

  • confused American

    If this is the same poster that was crying about numbers they need to do some research.

    Jackie the people on the far Left are consider socialists,  vast majority of them even brag about it. 
    Far Left = Democrats
    Far Left = Socialists
    Democrats = Socialists   

    Opps that means a higher % favor tea party over Democrats.

  • sowsear

    I used to go there too…in the long ago and far away.

  • sowsear

    I used to go there too…in the long ago and far away (under an assumed name 8-)

  • carol haka

    Here ya go Jackie.  Even if you don’t like the source, you can see the reports that were filed.  Google more if you would like.  It won’t change the truth.

    And while you are swerving, go ahead on off the cliff because if you are an Obama fan you are headed in that direction anyway.

    http://911review.org/brad.com/archives/Kerry_did_911.html

    >:o

  • carol haka

    Dale Robertson is a fool and a crazy.  He is just looking for attention.

    Go away.

    Lewis and the other race baitors of the Congress have failed to come forward with any proof.  And, if you have any – Andrew Breitbart is willing to pay you $100,000 for it.

    >:o

  • candymarl

    I am so sorry to hear that. Prayers.

  • candymarl

    I love this. The uneducated white younggens love to cry racism. They haven’t lived it. I have. Strangely though I still love my country and am no fan of Obama. Call me a racist. I dare you. My lynched ancestor will be on your doorstep.  Not to mention my slave ancestors whose lineage I can prove. Obama can’t produce an orignal birth certificate.  Michelle Obama says Obama’s home country is Kenya. I thought he was an American.  Who knew?

  • Jackie

    Dale Robertson is a fool and a crazy.  He is just looking for attention.”

    Right, he just operates TeaParty.org.

    “Go away.”

    Hah hah,  yeah, that’s how you handle all inconvenient facts.  “Go away!”

  • Ani

    You want to compare other primaries to this one?  Hillary won more votes than he did.  By the time FL and MI were seated at the time of the convention — they were separated by literally a handful of delegates out of 4,200 – and yet they did not have an authentic roll call on the floor of the convention — his delegates magically outnumbered hers three to one.  This was a sham.  They got the candidate they wanted –a corporate sock puppet — not working out so well.  Her  hleath care plan was ten times better than this travesty.  There is no greater good in pushing for a candidate who won an award for best commercial branding. 

    He is Bush3.  More and more people, even his supporters are coming to realize that and have stated as much.  No amuont of hype or media falsehoods will change that.

  • Jackie

    “Even if you don’t like the source, you can see the reports that were filed.”

    Oh my God, you really are a kook.  Wow!

  • sowsear

    Depends on the audience….

  • Jackie

    “I guess this proves I like to hang with racists!”

    You said it, not me…

  • Ani

    Jackie,

    If you are pleased with President Obama’s actions, policies and profligate spending — then more power to you.  Truly.  As the critics whocome to this site often tell us, our word means nothing.  We are in the monitry and no one cares what we think.  So my opinion or actions should be of little value or consequence.

    However, when I see the party I stood with for thirty years brazenly putting the finger of the scales to tip it toward their favored (and the weaker) candidate when we were and are in such dire straits in this country, that tells me the current Democratic leadershpi, i.e. Pelosi and Reid could give a tinker’s dam about the american people and our welfare — they just don’t want their own party to endSo they pushed for someone they figured they could control.

    And if you want to compare other primaries to this one, Hillary won more votes than he did.  She also won every large state, (save his home state), every swing state and had the votes of the majority of the Dem. base – yet was declared the loser.

    By the time FL and MI were seated at the time of the convention — they were separated by literally a handful of delegates out of 4,200 – and yet they did not have an authentic roll call on the floor of the convention — his delegates magically outnumbered hers three to one.  This was a sham.  They got the candidate they wanted –a corporate sock puppet — not working out so well.  Her  health care plan was ten times better than this travesty.  There is no greater good in pushing for a candidate who won an award for best commercial branding but had achieved little else.   
     
    He is Bush3.  More and more people, even his supporters are coming to realize that and have stated as much.  No amount of hype or media falsehoods will change that.

  • Jackie

    “The uneducated white younggens love to cry racism. They haven’t lived it. I have. Strangely though I still love my country and am no fan of Obama. Call me a racist. I dare you. My lynched ancestor will be on your doorstep.  Not to mention my slave ancestors whose lineage I can prove.”

    Another anonymous poster shows up and claims a heritage no one can prove or disprove on the Internet as a defense against criticism.  What a shock.

    Yeah, well, my ancestors were on the Trail of Tears.  No wait, they also survived the Underground Railroad.  And the Armenian Genocide, too.  Yep.  Wait, you don’t believe me?  I can prove it!  I said it on the Internet!

  • Ani

    Jackie,  
     
    If you are pleased with President Obama’s actions, policies and profligate spending — then more power to you.  Truly.  As the critics who come to this site often tell us, our word means nothing.  We are in the minority and no one cares what we think.  So my opinion or actions should be of little value or consequence.  
     
    However, when I see the party I stood with for thirty years brazenly putting their fingers of the scale to tip it toward their favored (and the weaker) candidate when we were and are in such dire straits in this country, that tells me the current Democratic leadership, i.e. Pelosi and Reid, could give a tinker’s dam about the American people and our welfare — they just don’t want their own party to endSo they pushed for someone they figured they could control.  
     
    And if you want to compare other primaries to this one, Hillary won more votes than he did.  She also won every large state, (save his home state), every swing state and had the votes of the majority of the Dem. base – yet was declared the loser.  
     
    By the time FL and MI were seated at the time of the convention — they were separated by literally a handful of delegates out of 4,200 – and yet they did not have an authentic roll call on the floor of the convention — his delegates magically outnumbered hers three to one.  This was a sham.  They got the candidate they wanted –a corporate sock puppet — not working out so well.  Her  health care plan was ten times better than the travesty they just passed. 

    There is no greater good in pushing for a candidate who won an award for best commercial branding but had achieved little else.     
       
    He is Bush3.  More and more people, even his supporters are coming to realize that and have stated as much.  No amount of hype or media falsehoods will change that.  the DOJ just filed another brief supporting Don’t Ask Don’t Tell — using an outdated 17 year old quote from Colin Powell that even he no longer agrees with.  This health care plan charges women more money to be insured just for being women.  See Pres of NOW, Terry O’Neill’s statement compalining about this plan.  These are ut two examples amidst  a cavalcade of disastrous actiond this administration has taken — so please don’t tell me I’m wrong to want to abandon this new version of the Democratic Party.

  • Ani

    Jackie,    
       
    If you are pleased with President Obama’s actions, policies and profligate spending — then more power to you.  Truly.  As the critics who come to this site often tell us, our word means nothing.  We are in the minority and no one cares what we think.  So my opinion or actions should be of little value or consequence.    
       
    However, when I see the party I stood with for thirty years brazenly putting their fingers of the scale to tip it toward their favored (and the weaker) candidate when we were and are in such dire straits in this country, that tells me the current Democratic leadership, i.e. Pelosi and Reid, could give a tinker’s dam about the American people and our welfare — they just don’t want their own party to endSo they pushed for someone they figured they could control.    
       
    And if you want to compare other primaries to this one, Hillary won more votes than he did.  She also won every large state, (save his home state), every swing state and had the votes of the majority of the Dem. base – yet was declared the loser.    
       
    By the time FL and MI were seated at the time of the convention — they were separated by literally a handful of delegates out of 4,200 – and yet they did not have an authentic roll call on the floor of the convention — his delegates magically outnumbered hers three to one.  This was a sham.  They got the candidate they wanted –a corporate sock puppet — not working out so well.  Her  health care plan was ten times better than the travesty they just passed.   
     
    There is no greater good in pushing for a candidate who won an award for best commercial branding but had achieved little else.       
         
    He is Bush3.  More and more people, even his supporters are coming to realize that and have stated as much.  No amount of hype or media falsehoods will change that.  the DOJ just filed another brief supporting Don’t Ask Don’t Tell — using an outdated 17 year old quote from Colin Powell that even he no longer agrees with.  This health care plan charges women more money to be insured just for being women.  See Pres. of NOW, Terry O’Neill’s statement complaining about this plan.  These are but two examples amidst  a cavalcade of disastrous actions this administration has taken — so please don’t tell me I’m wrong to want to abandon this new version of the Democratic Party.

  • Jackie

    “By the time FL and MI were seated at the time of the convention”

    Why did Hillary agree to not recognize Florida and Michigan’s delegates when they broke the primary scheduling rules?  Why didn’t she protest from the beginning, as soon as the decision was made?  Why did she sign a pledge honoring the DNC’s decision?

    You know why.  Because at that time, she assumed she didn’t need them.  She assumed at that time that she was going to win the nomination in a rout, and said “screw Florida and Michigan”.  Only when she began losing primaries, and realized that she could not win the nomination without them, did she do a COMPLETE 180 and suddenly recognize the essential importance of the Democratic voters of Florida and Michigan!  By that point, it was far too late.  You don’t change the rules of the game at halftime.  Sorry…

    “Her  hleath care plan was ten times better than this travesty.”

    How’s that work?  It’s practically identical.

    “He is Bush3.”

    That is utter bull$hit.

  • sowsear

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  • ~~JustMe~~

    like 17 minutes of bull$hitt

  • Buzzlatte

    And you ignore inconvenient facts, Jackie.  What’s your point?  Oh that’s right you really don’t have one.  

  • Buzzlatte

    OA: Is that anything like Huck the Fuskies?  LOL!

  • sybilll

    Senator Cohen is my Senator.  He just lost a lot of cross over voters.  I even voted for him (people here know I am a Conservative), because he worked tirelessly to get us a State Lotterry, which funds college scholarships, and keeps West Tennessee youth in TN, who were want to go to college elsewhere.  And, Cohen may have handed former Mayor Willie Herenton the primary, and Herenton makes Chicago thug politicians look like patron saints.  Cohen blew a gasket, IMO.  And, so did I. 

  • Jackie

    Question: for those of you who agree with Ani and think that Obama is just “Bush 3″, what do you have to say to all of the teabaggers who call Obama a communist, socialist, Marxist, etc.? 

    Obviously, the President can’t be both “Bush 3″ and any of those other labels at the same time.  So which is it?

    And if you think the president is working too much from the right, as Ani apparently does, why would you make common sense with people who think he is a Far Left Communist? 

    I mean, what could you possibly be agreeing on with these people?  And aren’t they plotting to create an America far different from the one you prefer, if they see the president as way left, and you see him as way right?  Aren’t their aims so far off in Right Field as to frighten you, even just a little?

  • Jackie

    And you ignore inconvenient facts, Jackie.  What’s your point?  Oh that’s right you really don’t have one.”

    No, I’m not ignoring the fact that one of the Tea Party’s major leaders is openly, sign-carrying racist.

  • sybilll

    Dale Robertson was NEVER a part of the Tea Party Movement.  He tried to insert himself, quite unsuccessfully.  http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/revealed-medias-racist-fake-tea-party-leader-is-a-fake-hero-too/
    But, you keep f*cking that chicken, Jackie. 

  • Ani

    She agreed not to campaign there.  She never said the voters votes would not count.

    As for Bush 3 — I don’t care who wants to characterize the pres as a marxist socialist or whatever — he is a corporatist and a political opportunist.  His and Hillary’s health care plans were anything but identical and you might want to look that up.

  • sybilll

    So, a poster has to prove their heritage, but, the President does not?  I despise the Birthers, but, your hipocracy should be in neon lights. 

  • Jackie

    So, a poster has to prove their heritage, but, the President does not?”

    No, I don’t think posters here have to prove their heritage at all.  But when their entire argument is based on a claimed racial status, I don’t have to believe them, either.  It’s all a little too convenient, and this is the internet, where anyone can claim anything they want about themselves, without it being true.  “I’m black, and I don’t think the teabaggers are racist because I’m black”.  Nah, not falling for it.

    As to the President, he’s already proven his heritage.  You and the others have simply chosen to disregard that. 

    Remember: Glenn Beck has renounced birtherism.  That means that all of you birthers are CRAZIER THAN GLENN BECK.

  • confused American

    Jackie you might want to do some research before you post…

    GW was called the same things, by most of the people on the Left   …Hmmmmmmm

    So if GW was called a communist, socialist, Marxist, etc.?   
    Obama = Bush3

    Obama = communist, socialist, marxist, etc

    I actually don’t believe Obama is GW3….I think Obama is GW with much more spending, and more power hungry and more control.

  • Jackie

    She agreed not to campaign there.”

    Why did she agree not to campaign there?  Obviously, she decided not to campaign there because she didn’t view the election as legitimate.  There is simply no distinction.

    “As for Bush 3 — I don’t care who wants to characterize the pres as a marxist socialist or whatever — he is a corporatist and a political opportunist.”

    Oh sure you care–you praise them to high heaven for their “insightful opinions” every time they pop up and comment favorably on your anti-Obama screeds.  That they do it from the right never seems to bother you at all, even though apparently you are ideologically worlds apart.

    “His and Hillary’s health care plans were anything but identical and you might want to look that up.”

    Um, no, I think you might want to look that up.  End of banning pre-existing conditions?  Shared btwn Obama and Hillary.  Large subsidies for lower-income Americans?  Shared.  Oh, and best of all: the mandate.  Adopted from Hillary by Obama.  It’s practically the same exact plan now.

    Anyone who supported Hillary and her health care plan in the primaries, and now attacks the health care plan enacted by Obama–especially anyone critical of the current mandate–is an abject hypocrite.

  • Buzzlatte

    But how about all the previous history of the democrats and the KKK???

  • Buzzlatte

    Give Jackie a break.  It’s hard to cognate facts when you don’t have too many tools in the shed to work with. ;)

  • Buzzlatte

    And this is the Jackie that equates health insurance with car insurance. So right there it causes one to consider the source.

    Jackie, please give us the bona fides on Obama proving his heritage and citizenship because the rest of the world would like to know where you found it.

    Please give us the reasons why Obama will not disclose his records and has on retainer twenty-two (at last count) attorneys to make sure his records never see the light of day.  Tell us the truth, Jackie.  Why?

  • Jackie

    GW was called the same things, by most of the people on the Left   …Hmmmmmmm 
     
    So if GW was called a communist, socialist, Marxist, etc.?    
    Obama = Bush3
     

    No, no no.  That never happened.  You have invented that $hit in your own head.  George W. Bush was never called a communist, socialist, or Marxist, by anyone on the Left.  It never happened.  You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Bob

    Well Jackie, you seem to have a double standard about judging people by what they say:

    If you agree, no problem.

    If you disagree, they must be liers.

    All this while packing your posts with rank opinion.  Not a pretty sight — me thinks you are a very angry person.  Hopefully you can figure out who to be angry at before it drives you to an early grave.  (Hint, it’s not the people on this site — they have no power over you.)

    I have no problem judging you by what you say, however:

    Jackie = Troll

  • Buzzlatte

    Be sure to check out :09 – :12, Jackie.  Didn’t happen?  Don’t think so.

    Moveon.org commercial comparing GWB to Marx, Hitler, and Mussolini.

    Bush=Marx 

  • Buzzlatte

    Didn’t happen?  Jackie, eat those words baby.

    Check out :09 to :15.

    Moveon.org commercial comparing GWB to Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini…

    GWB=Lenin

  • Hillary or Bust

    So why has Real Clear Politics been showing Boxer as a toss-up from previously “lean Dem” in the California Senate Race? It shifted right after the health care vote:

    http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/2010_elections_senate_map.html

    That map is looking awfully red, BTW.

    I and quite a few people I know in CA are definitely voting against Boxer come November. And as said here before, I campaigned for her back in the 90s.

  • Buzzlatte

    Didn’t Happen???? Eat those words, Jackie

    Here you go!

    GWB=Lenin

  • Diana

    Frankly, I’m sure this is wrong to say, but I just want to slap the shit out of Jackie…

  • Diana

    Jackie=really annoying human being

  • ~~JustMe~~

    =-O  Diana thinking would of been better ;)

  • Ani

    No one was allowed to campaign there — and yet Obama did campaign in Florida — running $1.3 million worth of ads in northern florida and then claiming it was a mistake.  So if he campaigned there, then clearly he thought the election was legitimate, yet didn’t want to count the delegates or votes — possibly because he lost by 20 percentage points.

    If I am polite to people who write nice things to me, I am being civil — I try to be civil as much as humanly possible.  Even though I disagree with you I am doing my best to be civil with you.  Others are entitled to their opinion.  In my view, Obama is a corporatist, not a socialist.

    As to health care, Hillary wanted people to buy insurance across state lines, to import cheaper drugs and to be able to opt in to the same plan congress has – those are three huge differences with this plan just for starters.  Hers was also less expensive than this travesty crafted by Pelosi and Reid et al.

    I have not called you any names and would appreciate it if you didn’t call me any. 

    Obama espoused “preventive rendition” after being elected (just ask Rachel Maddow of MSNBC) and he keeps pushing to maintain DADT, he said he’d close Gitmo then 15 months later, it is still open, his supporters also wanted a public option and this health plan is anything but,  – it is a giveaway to big phrma and big insurance, now he is flirting with off shore drilling and on and on and on — yet his supporters still make all sorts of excuses for him, as if they truly believe he is playing 11-dimension chess. 

    That is amazing.  Some might call that a bit of hypocrisy.

  • Diana

    Ho justme, ya caught me… I just deleted my remark ;)

  • kenoshamarge

    What the “Confluence” could never get past was hating the Republicans. They still call bad behavior by the Dems are behaving like Republicans. B.S. I say. A bad Democrat is acting like a bad Democrat just like a bad Republican is acting like a bad Republican. Trying to blame the “bad” behavior of your own party on the other party is just silly partisanship taken to a whole new level.

    I use to go to the Confluence every morning. Now I stop in once in a while and leave quickly. Partisanship ruins many a dialogue and IMO it’s ruined the “Confluence”.

  • Guest

    The Tea Party movement may not have much of a future beyond the next election if after rallies it tends to thin out. And it cannot be sustained at the level of anger that’s currently fueling it. But we’re all going to be Tea Partiers at election time. So if it represents a break with Bush, reaches across the aisle to recruit strictly conservative Democrats.and leaves a permanent impact on the political landscape, I’m not sure I care which party in the end co-opts the central message.

  • snosandy

    I don’t trust either party and have made the decision that from now on my vote will always be for Checks and Balances.  We are seeing now, more than ever, how dangerous it is to have one party control all branches of government.

  • helenk

    The “NEW” democratic party made be ashamed to ever have been a democrat. I left that party after almost 50 years. The ideals that used to be the core of the democratic party are gone. I do not know if they will ever return to them. Trashing the people who worked to elect democrats for years is really stupid. If this is the true face of the democratic party it is a very ugly thing to see.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • snosandy

    Obama doesn’t even claim he’s half white on his census form.

  • confused American
  • confused American

    I did not vote for GW and  was actually glad to see him go.  In fact many on here I don’t think voted for GW

    Jackie here is some more for your research paper  It was so easy to gather  
    People calling GW a a communist  
    http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/611544  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUHenZhGXJs  
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-nMAba0iVQ&feature=related  
    People calling GW  a socialist (1st is shirts )  
    http://www.cafepress.com/bushsocialist2  
    http://www.bluebloggin.com/2008/12/30/rnc-to-bush-youre-a-socialist/  
    http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/bush-admits-he-is-a-socialist/  
    People calling GW  a Marxist  
    http://www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/011427.html  
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/laughland1.html 
    Site showing how Protests signs, and bumper stickers  for GW were  just as bad if not even worse for GW than Obama
     http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html  

  • AbigailAdams

    This happened at some other blogs, too.  One that I used to be a “regular” on allowed one of its commenters to post a test of sorts that sought to identify which of us were “true liberals”, but was actually a foil for outing anyone who might have Tea Party blood running through their veins.  It was pathetic.  The left lineup then went after anyone who disagreed with their ideologies just like the bots went after the PUMAs; decrying obama as a Republican (they couldn’t handle the fact that obama is the HEAD of the Democratic party). 

    I still can’t understand why, to have middle-of-the-political-spectrum sensibilities, is so threatening to those who consider themselves “liberal.” 

  • carol haka

    Jackie,

    Prove it and you have just won the Lotto.

    What’s that I hear?  “crickets” “crickets” “crickets”

    Now, go away you minimum wage drone for the Obama blather!

    >:o

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  • carol haka

    Jackie, we are waiting.

    Jackie, we are waiting.

    Hey Jackie, we are waiting……………..

    >:o

  • Jackie

    “Prove it and you have just won the Lotto.”

    Prove what?  I don’t even know what you’re referring to at this point.  Racist tea partiers?  9/11 trutherism?  What other members of crazytown have you brought to the party?

  • carol haka

    I don’t care about his birth certificate.  I want to see his adoption papers, his passports, his school records……………..

    And, where is that “white girlfriend” and others that he had …………..  I want to interview her and the others.

    Am I the only one that wonders where all of his past girlfriends are?

    Damn, Tiger Woods has them coming out of the air vents.

    Not one ex-girlfriend of the man pretending to be the most powerful person in the world has stepped forward to declare “she used to date him”.

    I find that peculiar.

    Also Jackie, how did the person that breached Obama’s passport record wound up dead on the street with a gunshot wound.

    What a bunch of just coincidences?

    >:o

  • Jackie

    Didn’t Happen???? Eat those words, Jackie”

    You’ve got to be kidding.  One tiny splashed image in one stupid cranked out audition for a Move On ad someone posted on Youtube equals “GW was called the same things, by most of the people on the Left”???

    You’re going to have to do a lot better than that.  That was just pathetic.

  • Jackie

    Jackie here is some more for your research paper  It was so easy to gather”

    Do you have any website links that won’t give my computer a virus?

  • jangles

    I continue to enjoy The Confluence and respect the views of Riverdaughter.  I enjoy this site and respect its views.  There are many similarities in these two sites and there are differences.  It’s ok.

  • Docelder

    I’m not sure I care which party in the end co-opts the central message - Probably both of them will say that and then apply it only to thoe other sides sacred cows. The parties are both bullshit.

  • Jackie

    “Well Jackie, you seem to have a double standard about judging people by what they say: 
     
    If you agree, no problem. 
     
    If you disagree, they must be liers.”

    Actually, that sounds more like a SINGLE standard hinging on agreement/disagreement, but I digress.  It is not a standard I hold, anyhow. 

    If people defend their arguments with reason and sourced information, I will never call them a liar.  A lot (but not all) of the posters at NQ have been trafficking in outright lies since the primaries.  Some of them don’t even know what they’re writing is a lie–they have been reading only the same 5 PUMA sites for so long, that is the factual universe they are limited to, and believe me brother, it’s PRETTY DAMN LIMITED. 

    These people, I will call out.  They may not all be liars, but they are certainly very wrong in their judgments, and in the “facts” they use to support those judgments.

  • Jackie

    I don’t care about his birth certificate.  I want to see his adoption papers, his passports, his school records……………..”

    You need a hobby.

    “And, where is that “white girlfriend” and others that he had …………..  I want to interview her and the others.”

    You need some counseling.

    “Also Jackie, how did the person that breached Obama’s passport record wound up dead on the street with a gunshot wound.”

    You need to stop watching “JFK”.  

  • AbigailAdams

    Jackie,  I’ve been reading your comments off and on and on this one I feel the urge to respond.  I think you’re missing the big picture on (what you have, at times, referred to as the “teabaggers.”)  You may cite one or even a half dozen people who have carried negative signs at their rallies, but you ignore the fact that every single political group will have their zealots, their nut cases. 

    However, I suspect you were out there chanting “Yes, we can!” and “O-Bam-A!”  as well as telling everyone how “practical” the Dems were (code for: Means justifies ends) during the ’08 primary season.  Some of those “means” included corrupt voter registration and corrupt caucus counts that had a direct impact on the outcome of the Democratic primaries.  Other means included voter intimidation at the polls, open hatred by obama supporters toward anyone who had the nerve to speak their own opinion and (I can tell you this first hand) a “get out the vote” worker who screamed hysterically at me on my own front porch because I questioned her lies to me about write-in votes in my state — she was going around telling people to write-in Clinton if we weren’t planning to vote for obama rather than cast our vote for McCain in protest.  She knew that a write-in vote would not be counted in our state and yet she was instructing those Dems who found out about the real obama to basically throw their vote away rather than vote against him.

      That you have no conpunction referring to a rather large swath of your fellow Americans (assuming you are an American) with the hateful epithet “teabagger”, should (should) give you pause.  Using such terms puts you down there with those to whom you claim superiority.  Let’s not forget that obama gave the middle finger (at least a couple of times) to HRC and by extension, her supporters as well as to McCain and his supporters.  He openly referred to his fellow Americans as bitter Bible-clinging, gun lovers (code for: “crackers”) and didn’t mind that his campaign used JayZ’s “99 Problems” song in celebration, thereby admitting his own misogyny.  And he is the supreme head of the whole Democratic party!  He is their leader and the person who sets the whole tone for everything his followers do.  He’s not just some random nut-case at a rally. 

    You know, Hillary Clinton wouldn’t have looked like any of those other guys on the dollar bill either.  But she didn’t build her campaign on the central theme of her difference based on gender.  obama built his campaign on his own perceived differences and used that as a wedge within his own (supposed) country and party.  That is not the hallmark of a true leader but rather a trait of someone who is a hate-monger and who carefully crafted a strategic campaign of divide and conquer.  He never had the best interests of good governance in mind.

    All to say:  The truth can never hurt us, but lies like obama’s (and those who perpetuate them) will.  So, you have to decide:  Do you value the truth or do you just value the empty rhetoric of “change” and “hope” and a fellow in the WH who is not a very good president and who just happens to be black?

    Tea Party members are merely ordinary Americans who want good government.  That is quintessentially patriotic and wholly American.  I cannot understand why you or anyone else would be threatened by that. 

  • Diana L. C.

    Excellent Reply!!!!

  • Diana L. C.

    Jackie, I did not give up on the principles I thought the Democratic Party stood for either; the current Party gave up on those principles as far as I was concerned.  And that was souwsear’s point.  You really have a reading comprehension problem.  The Obama smog between your ears must make it very hard to navigate the real world nowadays.

  • Diana L. C.

    I won’t respond directly to a person’s (?) question if that individual insists on using that Obama-loving MSM-created term with the aim of making anyone who acknowledges it appear to be homophobic.

  • AbigailAdams

    Thank you, Diana. 

  • Diana L. C.

    It seems Jackie’s “soul” is so tied up with Obama’s that she has entered the zone of real fear.  She is sensing that her “soul” is going downward really fast and so she comes to this site to claw and scratch at some of us who saw her “soul” for what it was from the very beginning: totally empty.

  • PA Caucasian

    Jackie must never have heard Lennon’s song: “Woman is the ni**er of the world.”
    John Lennon must have been a racist redneck teabagger then.
    http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/lennon+john/woman+is+the+nigger+of+the+world_20082553.html

  • Jackie

    “Let’s not forget that obama gave the middle finger (at least a couple of times) to HRC and by extension, her supporters as well as to McCain and his supporters.”

    Oh, boy.  You know, I was enjoying what appeared to be a thoughtful, restrained, interesting statement from you about your experience in the primaries.  And then you coughed up this immature made-up nonsense about the “middle finger”.

    I repeat: anyone who actually believes that a major candidate for president would actually, in full view of his supporters and the television cameras, give his opponent “the middle finger” is either not in full control of their mental faculties, has not graduated from the 7th grade, or needs an intervention. 

    It is embarassing to even have to repeat this, but I guess I must.  The man was SCRATCHING HIS FACE.  He used TWO FINGERS TO DO IT.  It’s REALLY OBVIOUS when you watch the video.  Or when you see stills from it.  He raises his forefinger and middle finger up at the same time to scratch his face.  It’s a tic he employs quite often.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No

    Or how about when you use basic friggin common sense, and realize how insane the notion is that a man as controlled as Obama would risk the entire presidency just to fulfill the fleeting urge to flip someone the bird on national TV.  It’s just crazy.

    Gosh, I feel dumber having written about this at all.  I think I need to read The Genealogy of Morals like 10,000 times just to recover from a conversation this stupid.  Good lord…

  • Jackie

    Senator Cohen is my Senator.”

    Not a Senator.

  • Ani

    I suppose it is tempting to be distracted by those who wish to hijack the discussion, but the point remains that there are more than a few Democrats who have engaged in this movement, a lot of women from both sides and the aisle and the center, and people of all backgrounds who are not racists or extremists.  They want balance and fiscal responsibility in government.  Bush started us on this ridiculous path of spending and Obama has taken it to new heights.

    Demonization is the weapon of scoundrels — now more and more news outlets, of necessity, are starting to print more positive articles — since their efforts to completely discredit this movement have not worked. 

    There will always be a few nutcases or people who want to co-opt a grassroots movement for their own purposes.  That does not negate the efforts of others.  Just as there are those on the far left who resort to violence and cruelty to make a point, we cannot equate their extremism with every democrat or every liberal.  That would be just as false as the David Shuster’s of this world who insult Tea Partiers as “teabaggers” and call them other filthy names.

    It all serves as a distraction from the actual reasons citizens are voicing a grievance in the first place.  If those in power stopped listening to the demonizing rhetoric of Nancy Pelosi, for example, and had the willingness to hear the complaints, we might get somewhere.  Unfortunately, her arrogance and tone deafness thus far does not permit such an exchange.

  • carol haka

    I’m pretty sure the recently released polls proved her Sunday rant against the tea party demographics void.

    Once again expounding on the pride she felt that a lying, cheating, unvetted moron was moved into the WH based on him being “black” is sickening.

    The “Sarah Palin is an idiot” mantra is obsurd.

    And, I’m sure any of the “blondes” at Fox News would be able to beat her in a battle of wits and credentials.  I know this blonde certainly could.

    I intermittently went back to see if they had come to their senses.  Ain’t gonna happen.

    >:o

  • AbigailAdams

    Jackie, What can I say?  You are the best example of the phrase, “You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.”  Ignorance is one thing, willful ignorance is a factor above that– something like the Richter scale.

    You’re defending obama’s wretched middle finger gestures on the grounds that no one running for president would conduct themselves in that manner?  Hmmm.  If that’s true, how does one explain John Edward’s behavior as a presidential hopeful? 

    I made the mistake of thinking I was responding to a thinking person–I’m always making that mistake when responding to ardent obama acolytes.  And as one yourself, you undoubtedly have no idea why those of us outside obama’s thrall refer to those within as “kool aide” drinkers.

    But you’re right — I do need an intervention whenever I contemplate an actual discussion with someone like you, who apparently cannot examine anything that does not support your need to be right.  It is a painful process to grow up — definitely not for the weak-hearted.

  • Jackie

    “If those in power stopped listening to the demonizing rhetoric of Nancy Pelosi, for example, and had the willingness to hear the complaints, we might get somewhere.  Unfortunately, her arrogance and tone deafness thus far does not permit such an exchange.”

    It’s sad to see one woman defame another like this.  Especially one who is now the most successful Speaker of the House since Sam Rayburn.

  • Jackie

    It seems Jackie’s “soul” is so tied up with Obama’s that she has entered the zone of real fear.  She is sensing that her “soul” is going downward really fast and so she comes to this site to claw and scratch at some of us who saw her “soul” for what it was from the very beginning: totally empty.”

    I think you took the bad acid.

  • Buzzlatte

    Moveon.org is the left wing, nutball.  Denial is your middle name.

  • Buzzlatte

    Okay – troll zone has been reached.  Jackie needs to go.  ADMIN!

  • AbigailAdams

    And Jackie:  Let’s see what else he risked: (my apologies to those who are tired of hearing about these things)

    1) Attending a staunch, black liberation church for 20 years (headed by a hateful racist).
    2)  Lying about his dealings with Rezko, Ayers, Wright (his “spiritual advisor” who was an early and large presence on obama’s campaign website), his uncle, the death camp liberator, his birth story (and the Selma bridge),

    Oh, what the heck.  Here’s a list of his 158 lies (that were fact-checked for real) as of fall ’08.  I don’t know if anyone has been keeping track since then, but maybe in the interest of your own investment in reality, you can do some of your own research.

    I have a question for you:  Why is it so important to you that obama is everything you believe him to be, whether there is any truth to support that belief?  Are you related to him or is he a close, personal friend?  I just don’t understand how anyone can feel such a pure devotion–to the point of such utter denial and rabid defense of–to someone who is simply a public servant and responsible for the ethical execution of the peoples’ will.  That’s our form of government, Jackie.  obama is not supposed to be a celebrity.  He was literally dragged across the finish line and he’s the head of a political party, not a demigod.   

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  • Guest

    Appealing for reason to the current leadership is pretty much a lost cause. If they hope to shape the next election, I hope it is successful but change in the form of moderation and fiscal conservatism is on the way regardless. I have nothing against the Tea Party, but no doubt it is also their goal produce precisely the kind of change which makes their current grievances irrelevant.

  • Ani

    Oh please.  How have I “defamed” Ms. Pelosi. This is the same woman who accused tea partiers of attending meetings with swastikas.  We have posted (via American Girl in Italy’s great research) hundreds of pictures the left used in portrayed Bush as Hitler — you want to see swastikas — go to one of their protests.  Speaker Pelosi had to eat her words on national television while being interviewed by E. Vargas on ABC and say she agreed with some of their grievances. 

    Defamed?  If you want to know who defamed who, take a look back at the 2008 primaries — Pelosi is the one who kicked the ladder out from under Hillary.  She did it daily.  Pelosi is the most powerful speaker in 100 years.  She os also one of the most arrogant.  Most powerful does not make you best.

    I look for people to get into office who are qualified — I do not vote on the basis of identity politics.  Nancy Pelosi is not going to get my vote simply because she is a woman and I have not defined her in sexist terms.  Nice try.

  • Jackie

    “You’re defending obama’s wretched middle finger gestures on the grounds that no one running for president would conduct themselves in that manner?  Hmmm.  If that’s true, how does one explain John Edward’s behavior as a presidential hopeful?”

    Actually, you know what?  You have a point, there.  I should have said “anyone who hopes to have a prayer of winning”.

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  • carol haka

    You forgot about that part where she “defamed” the CIA…..

    Please, the speaker is a moron.

    Without daddy’s and hubby’s money, we wouldn’t know her name.

    >:o

  • Athena the Warrior

    Trolls are out in force today.  Major distraction at hand or they’re getting paid by the post.

  • AbigailAdams

    Ani,

    Solid retort.  Unfortunately it’s ssdd (same stuff, different day) when it comes to discussing politics with those who are entrenched in identity politics.  The problem is they just don’t know enough about the people they are defending and they regurgitate the same stuff ad nauseum.  After they personally attack you.

  • noobamagma

    I’m a former Hillary supporter and a done-Dem.  I don’t think I’ll ever support a Dem. again…and I always voted Dem.  This is no longer the party of “Ask what you can do for your country”, it’s the party of “demand your country do for you”. I’m in Plano, too. Went to the 4th of July Tea Party in ’09 as well as one on 4/15/09  and recently in Dallas.  I’ll continue to go. I don’t care if people call me a racist…it no longer has any meaning after being abused and mis-used so frequently.  Why don’t more AA’s come out to Tea Parties?  I don’t think it’s because people who attend Tea Parties are racist. It’s because of the back lash from other AA’s. We heard about it and saw it when AA’s came out and supported Hillary.  I have an AA friend who still has strangers point her as “the one” who supported Hillary in a caucus. She was one brave lady. I think there are plenty of AA’s who are upset with very left leaning administration, reckless spending, the high debt, etc.

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  • Arrowyn

    That, miss Jackie, was sarcasm.  Also, please be aware that the many cries of racism fall on deaf ears.  A shame, but that’s what happens when you cry racism at obviously innocent people *cough* BILL CLINTON */cough*, and complete strangers on the internet that you know only two things about: 1) their user name and 2) their comments that they voted for someone other than THEE ONE.

  • Murray

    My money’s on “major distraction at hand.”

  • Wisewoman

    Jackie,
    Like Candymarl I too am an African American (AA) who despises Obama.  When early in the primary he stood in the pulpit of an AA church and lied about his parents involvement in the walk across the Petit (sp) bridge with Congressman Lewis and claimed he was born afterward when he was actually born 2 years prior, I knew he was a liar of the 1st degree.  I made up my mind at that point that if he had no fear of lying from the pulpit of a church he was a danger to everyone.  That action, his constantly playing the race card, his lack of experience, etc. meant that he did not nor will he ever get my vote.
    THIS 46 YR FORMER DEMOCRATIC SUPPORTER, AND PUMA NOW SUPPORT THE TEA PARTY AND SARAH PALIN!!

  • Arrowyn

    Meh.  Jackie, you just don’t want to deal with what Candymarl has to say.  And while you’re practicing skepticism, why don’t you respond to the question of racism – during the primaries, Obamabots loved to call anyone who wanted Hillary ‘racists’ – even though the only thing they knew about those people were their internet usernames and the fact that they preferred Hillary.

    And about the birth certificate – I can’t get ’5 yr old’ out of my mind – “Nah-nanny-boo-boo I-don’t-have-to….By the way, McCain, pony up your medical records.   You are and old fart and about to kick it any day now, right?”

  • AC

    Edmund Petit bridge

    Couldn’t agree with you more–he’s been a fake all along.

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