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By SusanUnPC on August 25, 2008 at 9:42 AM in Current Affairs

UPDATE 2: The comments this post is eliciting are powerfully well-written and well-reasoned. As Larry said the other night, we have some very sharp readers here. You’re making me rethink this ALL OVER AGAIN. Oh lordy! (I’m laughing out loud.) Thank goodness I can bat this back and forth until November! KEEP WRITING! I’m absorbing every word. I have no special access to what the right strategy is! Just to make one thing clear: I’ve long given up on protecting myself on the blogosphere; that ship has sailed. What I am interested in is in helping Hillary and her most ardent powerful supporters remain “alive” in the Democratic party — for one thing, it is ONLY Hillary’s powerful supporters who are interested in caucus reform, so we need to figure out how we can help them retain their influence.
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Let’s think past our immediate feelings as well as how we fully anticipate that we will ALL feel through the beginning of November. Let’s think about the post-08 chatter. Here are some possibilities:

(1) Barack Obama lost because the American people felt he didn’t have enough experience;

(2) Barack Obama lost because he didn’t know enough about national security;

(3) Barack Obama lost because he didn’t do well in the debates;

(4) Barack Obama lost because his economic plan lacked specificity and populist appeal;

(5) Barack Obama lost because the McCain campaign outwitted the Obama campaign;

(6) Barack Obama lost because the Georgian crisis escalated, and McCain showed his depth of knowledge of the region while Obama floundered; and/or

(7) Barack Obama lost because Hillary Clinton — always the perfect target — failed to get her supporters in line, and they kept loudly proclaiming that they would vote for John McCain and wouldn’t even consider Obama.

(An imaginary column in late 2009: “While it is true that Barack Obama still couldn’t have garnered enough electoral votes, had Mrs. Clinton been able to get her supporters to stick with the Democratic party, Mrs. Clinton’s prospects for 2012 would be far brighter. But her political future is forever tainted by her embittered supporters’ noisy exodus to the Republican candidate, without properly vetting him against their own supposed Democratic party principles.”)

That is why my vote, when I receive my absentee ballot in late October, will remain secret.

TRUE CONFESSION: What I most want to do is write in Hillary Clinton’s name. But I’ll have to think about that one.

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UPDATE: Everyone here is FREE to express their support of John McCain. I am simply giving you my reasoning for why I am choosing to take this pathway. My sole goal, right now, is to help Hillary preserve her future options.

But that doesn’t mean that I am suggesting any of you agree with me! You may have far better arguments for the opposite views, and I am eager to read them!

HARP

There will only be 2 reasons why he lost.

1 Hillary`s fault.

2 The rest of America is racist.

COUNT ON IT.

Sharon

Obama Supporters are already blaming Hillary for what who knows. Of course it will not be the chosen one fault.

red_sleeves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KnQDXpQq9U

Blaming her and openly mocking her…

pm317

Wow! This video is cruel and is exactly what turns off her supporters from Obama and his minions.
Zee

Um…thanks for the daily jolt of misogyny, red sleeves! They suck down the memes like mama’s milk, don’t they?

And HARP…dead on. Two reasons only.

red_sleeves

Not to wander too far off topic, but my ex-girlfriend was a misogynist; she gave best back rubs ever…

- je plaisante

wac for hillary

As long as Obama loses, they can call me a racist, bitter, gun clingy, Hillary lover, and I’ll smile and say, “Thank you.”

Sharon

I’m already being called that by a family member who told me to get over it and fall in line. I’ll fall in line by voting for McCain.

beebop

Two weeks ago my favorite brother in law called me a poser. Yesterday when I saw him, not one word about Biden. I think that many Democrats who wanted HRC in the second spot now understand how her passionate supporters felt. I will just smile and say that my vote is my vote and we will stay away from any political discussion. Some day he will thank me. Just not this year ….
Susan

I also have family who can’t believe I am voting for McCain, and try to talk me out of it. Rather than engage in a 2 month long argument with them, each time the subject comes up I just say “we will have to agree to disagree” and leave it at that.
In my view, Hillary has more than done her part for party unity, while it has been Obama that has refused to extend a hand to her supporters. At this point, the reason I am voting for McCain has nothing to do with Hillary – although she was my first choice, now that she has been eliminated I have gone with the person who I feel will be the best president out of the 2 remaining options: McCain.

tek

Isn’t it ironic? In 2000 & 2004, I had big arguments with some of my Republican relatives because I wouldn’t vote for Dubya. This year I have arguments with the Dems in the family because I can’t vote for Obama. Thank you very much Donna Brazile et al. However, this time half of our Dem relatives are also voting for McCain (they’ve never voted Republican before). My Republican relatives wanted Hillary and are bitter that she got 18 million votes and was just cut loose by the DNC. This election just gets curiouser and curiouser.

Hope

What an alternate reality huh,Tek?

I find myself not asking family members who they plan to vote for out of fear that if they say Obama I will no longer see them as having good judgment, credibilty or a likeminded set of values. Obama’s lack of character is just too blatant to allow someone wiggle room to clain they have seen it.

Sharon

Susan I agree.
msindy

Independents and Republicans I know had been saying they might not agree with all of Hillary’s positions, but if she won, it would be OK with them. Quite a few even said they were going to vote for her. People were nostalgic for the Clinton years and they admired her for standing up for her principles while working with those across the aisle. But… and they all say but… Obama would be a disaster. I think he’s not only causing people to switch who would have voted Democratic, but he’s also causing people to rally around McCain who would not ordinarily, people from all political persuasions – people just don’t want someone so inexperienced and clueless as president.

Calgal4Hillary

I’ve always been the lone Democrat in my family, so we never discussed politics. This year my 86-year old Dad is delighted that we can discuss issues and candidates since I’m an voting Republican this November. But here’s the kicker… he loved Hillary and would have crossed over and voted for her this year!

Well, Barky, here’s two more votes you won’t get! Keep on counting ‘em baby!

JayD

I fully agree, wac. I, too, am a delighted to be hated so much by Obama followers. I have no care what they call me. Oddly I do not even own a gun. Nor am I affiliated with any particular religious group. As a white man I have supported racial tolerance groups for years. This financial support, however, is going to come to a screeching hault if racisism continues to rear it’s ugly head in the Obama camp.

Zee

racisism, another fine portmanteau coined on this blog!

racism + narcissist?

I guess it should be Obama is a racissist!

I don’t own a gun, either, and I’m feeling as if I’m missing something to cling to and denying my heritage.

http://! Clinton Fan

Ah, but do you own any real estate? If you have more than one single million dollar or under shack, even if you’re sheltering your relatives in them, you’re an ASSHOLE!

At least that is what the Obots want you to believe.

Because no one should have the NERVE to make tangible investments of that sort…no, no, NO.

Joy

Clinton Fanatic, the number of homes McCain owns it not the issue. The issue is McCain could not answer the question of how many homes he and/or his wife owns which paint him as senile or as being so wealthy that he can’t keep track of all of the homes he owns.

It would have been a non issue if he’d said my wife and I own x number of homes. Some family members live in and others are investment property. That would have been the end of the story.

I own less than a million dollar house fully paid for and I think of it as home not a shack.

Hope Floats

Why the hell should John McCain know off the top of his head all the homes his wife owns? They don’t live in them all. She’s worth 100 million; some of those homes are investment properties. He said an assistant would get back to you. It’s a stupid issue, and Obama looks like a commie nutjob for harping on it. You would think the idea was to make money and make it possible for everyone to make it, not drive the economy into the ground and rob the wealthy and comfortable.

Joy

I can tell I hit a sore nerve there with ya Floaty Hopey. I’m all for making money but McCain is too cute by half on this one. I guess Joe Liberman wasn’t glued to John’s butt so he could give him the answer.

Hope Floats

I wish you had hit a sore nerve with me, but I haven’t got a wealthy spouse or a string of homes. That doesn’t mean I want my taxes raised to prove I’m not a racist.

Joy

Floating Hope, now I think it’s you who has been drinking the Republican kool aide. I didn’t see any place on this blog where someone called you a racist.

Diana

Not only that, but all her family assets from her nee are totally separate from his. When she dies it doesn’t all go to John, it goes to their children. That’s the way it was set up. He probably couldn’t tell you half of what she owns or inherited from her family. It’s all part of the pre-nup he agreed to before they were married.

Joy

Diana, then why not just say that damn it? For the people who don’t know this part of McCain’s story he comes off looking either so wealthy he can’t keep track of how many homes he owns or is too senile to recall.

For those who do know this part of the story he comes across as a man who can’t pony up to being married to wealty woman.

Northwest rain

Go away Obamabot nitwit.
Joy

Raining in the North, Not Gonna Due It.
Jane still

I thought the houses were a non-issue trying to be invented by a clueless, platform-less candidate – Obambi. I did not think it made McCain look senile, clearly he isnt if you watched the recent debates.
BO isnt one to be calling this an issue, it is more ironic that he is trying to come off on the message that he is ‘just like us’, huh? well he has had about a thousand and one opportunities in life that most of ‘us’ didnt get, ditto Michelle. So they are wealthy, but can criticize others who are wealthy and this makes sense how?
Joy

Hey I think rich is great. I’m not sure what you mean about the 10001 advantages of the Beautiful O. And for a leg up, the Beautiful O has nothing on John McCain the son and grandson of admirals. Now how many planes did Johnnie Boy crash in non combat? Four? Five?

wonderwoman

What I don’t understand is why they keep begging us. Many have already changed to republicans so that tells them we are serious.

Isabelle

Well, the name-calling, which is currently ongoing, is of infantile status. I am a Pennsylvanian; thus, a “bitter clinger”. Hillary, Bill and the Clinton segment of the DNC are NOW being referred to as: “bitter enders“. Is this High School politics or are we attempting to vote for the leader of the free world????? “Bitter” appears to be the new and very graphic adjective, utilized by the Obama campaign, to disparage anyone and everyone who may be adverse to their ideological spew.

A non-vote (stay at home) is a 0.5 vote for Obama. A vote for McCain = 2.0 votes against Obama. A write-in vote will accomplish a very minimal protest. Its weight will be predicated on the numbers which, according to the polls, have wanned substantially.

lizpolaris

I live in a state which is blue if Hillary, red if Obama. So my vote, which would normally be guaranteed to be Democratic, is going to count in this swing state.
Johnboy

Have you read the responses in these threads? “Bitter-enders” is pretty apropos. Someone sent me here to enlighten me on the Obama issue. (I voted for Hillary but I’m not mentally incapacitated by going with Obama) But its tough picking out the wheat from the chafe. Someone direct me to site without all this name calling and rhetoric. In my book anyone who votes for McCain was never a real democrat to begin with. Anyone who purposely gives the Presidency back to the Republicans is not a follower of Hillary either.

But I guess everyone needs a place to scream without being heard. Just don’t go looking for converts – this feels like more preaching to the converted and the converted are starting to speak in tongues.

Mr. X

Obama is not a Democrat. So it’s pretty slim pickings. You’re just upset because people are willing ot actually use their brains instead of being automatons and fall in line. This is exactly why Obama and Democrats keep losing elections. They don’t understand the concept of earning votes. They think it should be handed to him, like what you’re doing.

A real Democrat stands by his or her principles. The primaries have shown that Obama supporters have none.

Johnboy

Where was this outrage the last eight years? I hope this misplaced passion results in something other than election disruption. If Obama loses and it is somehow pointed back to Hillary supporters we can say goodbye to any shot at 2012. I say “we” because I am still a Hillary supporter. Start a movement for primary reform, do something constructive with your time and keystrokes.

Ferdberfle

Where was this outrage the last eight years?

You just don’t get it, do you? It is because I am outraged at Chimpy McFlightsuit and his minions that I am even more outraged at Oblahblah and his botnation. The US doesn’t need another extremist cult bent on their own aggrandizement at the expense of the rest of the country. I don’t want another president, same as the old president, thank you very much.

Isabelle

Bravo Mr. X….your analysis of the situation vs. the presumption of the DNC is astonishingly absolute. Principles are key and yes, votes must be earned.

Rev. Wright, can you fix my garlic nose?

In my book anyone who votes for McCain was never a real democrat to begin with.

Johnny Mac can’t seem to please anyone. How many times have the conservatives said he’s not a real Republican?
Diana

Not every Democrat is a sheeple. A simpleton. We’re quite capable of thinking for ourselves. Thank you. We’ve already been called closet Republicans, so your little cap down that you think will get us to rethink our thoughts on Obama is old and just plain LAME. We’ve heard it all before. Racist, Bigot, Bible Thumpers, Redneck Gun Clingers. Against members of your own party. Votes that are needed. That’s real bright. Next! We’ll just see in Nov how those numbers come out. Coming here to insult us does nothing for Obama, or helps in anyway to get him votes. Just as the little stunt on Fox yesterday will turn even more voters against him. No one wants a bunch of playground bully thugs running the country. That’s why the sleeping majority has awaken in this country in the first place. The name calling has done more than enough damage. But, you all keep that up and let’s see how that works out for you.
Jane still

Good night, John Boy!

btintaos

I’m guessing that, after the relentless avalanche of McCain ads and 527 ads, Obama supporters will forget Hillary was even a factor. Memories can be short in a political season and I’m counting it so our girl can stay clean.

dee4hill

This is an excellent point. By the time the GOP finishes digging up, exposing and smearing Barry’s face in his own dirt, the Bots will have more on their minds than Hillary.

I never thought I’d ever say this… but bring on the 527s!!!

McCain ’08 – Hillary ’12!!!

sjc-tx

Our vote and its consequence is OUR own. We are not responsible to follow Hillary’s “recommendation”. She WOULDN’T want us to. She, more than anyone, would WANT us to vote our OWN vote. We are not cult troons that will be intimidated or threatened. Our support or not for the plastic one will NOT in anyway have reflection on HER chances in 2012 or whatever. No disrespect intended but I am SICK of hearing that song and dance! My vote is for the PRESENT and it’s IMMEDIATE effect. I’ll deal with the future, when it gets here.

I have been a democratic party member since 1971. I don;t agree with much of McCain’s agenda. But I do respect the man for his PROVEN and DISPLAYED sense of duty, right & wrong, and HUMILITY.

Wisdom comes with experience and age…

I will not vote for ANYONE who was dishonestly and undemocratically put in place… it does not matter one iota who, what, or how they are.

Our “silence” is contradictory to the principles we profess as Americans.
wonderwoman

Did anybody see the new ad about Obama’s brother living in a shack. I laughed the whole time.

ziggy

You find poverty amusing? More than half of people in the world live in shacks.

Actually, Obama’s brother shows a lot of dignity. He denied that he considered himself downtrodden or a victim of circumstance. He spoke well of his half-brother. He didn’t seem to be wanting a handout from anyone.

Ellen D

I’m hoping you’re right.
I wish I could believe that staying silent is going to protect Hillary (and like a lot of people, our best friend is an Obama supporter), but I am afraid they’re going to use it against her anyway.

But hey, if they blame all her supporters going to McCain for him winning, doesn’t that make US the swing vote for next time? And they know what we want. If they destroy her chances in 2012 with an anti-Hillary campaign again, history will just repeat itself.

Dave_Not_For_Obambi

You hit the nail on the head, BRAVO!!

Zee

“Obama supporters will forget Hillary was even a factor.”

Not a chance. The media won’t neglect to blame Hillary, and specifically Hillary voters…and indeed our votes will decide the election.

No one will blame Obama for being unable to seal the deal and unable to beat a cranky old man.

http://! Clinton Fan

How is it Hillary’s fault that Obama kicked over the traces about “Uncle Frank?”

Are you telling me he had NO IDEA that gramps and Frank got stoned all the time? I rather suspect that Frank was where Barry went when he wanted to get ahold of drugs.

I rather doubt that Obama knew that Frank was a child molester–unless he molested Obama, that is–but the guy definitely had an unsavory character, to put it kindly.

If that story grows wings and flies–and why shouldn’t it–it’s not the Enquirer, it’s the UK TELEGRAPH–Hillary is forgotten. She’s not even part of the equation.

wry

Oh Golly, do tell, Clinton fan. I have no problem with Uncle Frank getting stoned. I indulged quite a bit in my younger days…but was he really a “funny” uncle?

Hope Floats

I had a feeling that’s why Obama didn’t visit his mother when she was dying. Interesting.

Hope Floats

But you piqued my curiosity. That article had me in stitches! I wonder if he ever made Obama cry “Uncle!” It sure sounds like he banged the 13 YO Virgin Stanley.

One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called “Anne.” Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.”

“But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”

SNIP

On other occasions, Mr Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on.

SNIP

He stated that “under certain circumstances I am bisexual” and that he was “ a voyeur and an exhibitionist” who was “occasionally mildly interested in sado-masochism”, adding: “I have often wished I had two penises to enjoy simultaneously the double – but different – sensations of oral and genital copulation.”

Diana

That’s a positive isn’t it? If we hold that much power to be known as McCain Democrats which we will be known as. The same as the Reagan Democrats. Next time they’ll have to run a clean election or face the wrath of the McCain Democrats again. Democracy will be restored in the Democratic Party.

Not all of us are old as they try to potray that we are. Most of my brothers and sisters are in their 30′s. My children are in their 20′s. All their friends as well that are now voting for McCain. I’m a year younger than their candidate and a grandmother of 7. I began having my children in my early 20′s while I was serving in the military. Then after I got out I went to school and worked while raising my children. So many of us are going to be around a long, long time God willing. We will be here to remind people and to hold them accountable.

They thought the Reagan Democrats for the most part were gone. They were wrong. Tried to say then that it was all old bitter people. I was a Reagan Democrat. If you were a Democrat and voted for Reagan you’ve heard all this before. Without all the name calling, racism, and thugs.

Diana

Oh! Can I add that although I voted for Reagan I also voted straight Democrat the rest of the way down the line. Which is exactly what I was going to do this year, till I saw what exactly was going on. Then, there wasn’t all this name calling, thuggery, etc. This year I’m voting Republican for president, as well as all the way down the line.(Except for the Democrats I know and trust). I’ll do so in the next election if these are the kind of things that are now going to be norm for the Democratic Party. So there are major differences between then and now.

Leisa

Obama lost because the American people woke up and saw him for the fraud he is.

Firefly

Obama lost because he was indicted before the election.

That’s my favorite scenario.

Dr. Kate

Obama lost because he was ineligible under the US Constitution…and lied about it.

Obama wins delaware. thats it.

Northwest rain

Obama lost because the American people woke up and saw him for the fraud he is.

Exactly — that’s why the later primary votes went to Clinton. Obama is a fraud and THAT is why is will lose.

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

Can we just start an effort to replace these NASTY LYING SHILLS that work for the various news orgs

like, Keith, Chris Tweety Matthews, David Schitster, Rachel, Ed, Jamal, Tanya, etc!!!

If we can get them fired and replace them with REAL NEWS PEOPLE!!!

That would solve a LOT of our problems with a stupid ignorant public!!

Susan

I stopped watching MSNBC months ago, and I don’t miss it at all. As the Obama supporters’ attention wanders in the coming months, and we know it will, perhaps the poor ratings these shows generate will take care of the problem for you.
Although, I must clarify that I stopped watching Olbermann years ago, as his over the top opinions and sick O’Reilly obsession just got to be too much for me.

wonderwoman

I agree susan, Now Bush isn’t the best but daily angry commentary about him means you are ready for a straight jacket.
Diana

Ditto Susan. I thought my gosh isn’t there enough hatred and bitterness already in the world? Without sitting here and listening to him spew his hatred and bitterness for people. He really is obsessed with O’Reilly, if I was O’Reilly years ago I would have gotten a lawyer and said could you people please have this man stop with the stalking already. Jealousy is not only crude, and rude. It’s socially unacceptable. Especially coming from a major media outlet and brought to a public forum. I still watched. I just switched channels when Keith was on.

Sharon

Please add Jack Cafferty, Roland Martin to the list.
CountryFirst

Hey, Dawnelle, I thought all the real msm newspeople had died. Where would we find replacements?

Even Fox, reportedly, has given in to Obama Camp’s demand that they not accept certain ads to run from the other side.

Hope Floats

From a recent Politico article:

Some senior Obama supporters are irritated at how they perceive the Clintons fanned — or at a minimum failed to douse — stories that she was not even vetted as a possible vice presidential nominee. This is because she told Obama she preferred not to go through the rigorous process of document production unless she was really a serious contender, an Obama associate noted.

One senior Obama supporter said the Clinton associates negotiating on her behalf act like “Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific still fighting after the war is over.”

A prominent Obama backer said some of Clinton’s lieutentants negotiating with the Obama team are “bitter enders” who presume that, rather than the Clintons reconciling themselves to Obama’s victory, it is up to Obama to accommodate them.

This is war. The hard line left has tried to take over the party every election year, and this year they faced a formidable opponent. Any talk of unity is lip service. Obama has made his position clear.

Hope

unless she was really a serious contender,

Not for ‘show’, but vet if you are really vetting…
How does that make her reponsible for his decision?
Johnboy

“Obama has made his position clear.”

As someone trying to sort through this whole Hillary/Obama mess statements like that don’t help. That’s like saying everyone on this board are making Hillary’s position clear. These are quotes from sources and opinions of minions. When will we let the actual subjects of the sentences speak?

My history: Supported Bill into office, supported him through his eight years but was disappointed many times. I liked the idea of Obama but when given the choice I voted for Hillary and hoped she would pick him for VP. I was not crazy about the Hillary campaign but continued to hope it would become more clear and dynamic. I still don’t believe anyone had a leg to stand on with Michigan and Florida and I believe the super delegates should follow the delegate majority. I grew up in a despicably corrupt democratic county but remained loyal, or should I say was able to remain anti-Republican because that is the real issue every election day.

It’s that real issue that I see everyone losing site of. As I see it you guys don’t have your priorities straight – the republicans are the enemy, have always been, then the democrats – all democrats including Hill and Omama and company.

Take a step back; see the forest for the trees. I’ve bought a few pieces of furniture that were not my ideal choices and even some hateful ones but having a place to lay my coffee cup is better than not having anything (Obama) and certainly better than burning down the house (McCain) because of an issue of taste.

Hope Floats

A big part of why Hillary’s candidacy failed is the leaks to the press. Her staff turned on one another, and chaos ensued. If Obama cannot stop these anonymous quotes from his staff with this election at stake, he deserves to lose it. That quote was from “an Obama associate,” a “prominent backer” and “a senior Obama supporter.” One way he could clean up this election and something he could have done in the primaries is not allow any anonymous comments and demand retractions. Obama had no problem with journalists calling both the Clintons racists. His own surrogates did it. We can assume these anonymous sources speak for him, unless he breaks tradition and says otherwise.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

They’ve been playing those cards all year, why stop know? (even though it isn’t working)

They are still playing on our guilt to make us vote for the ZERO.

The Catholic Church and my Mother are Pros at the Guilt Card manipulation. But even they could not create enough guilt to make me vote for THE ZERO.

NOBAMA
SZ

And they’re already talking about destroying a Hillary bid in 2012, if there is one.

Zee

We need Hillary now. This is a nightmare.

http://! Clinton Fan

They may try that, but this TELEGRAPH UK article is a bombshell.

You have to wonder if Uncle Frank, the child molester, the pervert, molested poor Barry whilst Barry’s grampa was passed out from getting shitfaced and smoking too much pot?

Who would have thought that grampa was a pothead? No wonder Barry has granny locked up! He doesn’t want her regaling people with stories about how she was asked to pass the duchy ‘pon de lef’ han’ side, or what have you, or how she got pissed at gramps getting high, boozing it up, and playing scrabble all day with a CHILD molester while she had to work.

It could end up that the stupid “I’m gonna write a book and make some money during my fifteen minutes of fame window from my glory at Harvard Law Review” decision will be the ultimate UNDOING. The Empty Suit may well come to rue the day he ever started writing that book of half-truths. That book has been the template for his life, but when you look closely, you learn that he’s LIED. Lied, lied, LIED.

And who wants a LIAR as a President?

He would have been better off not lying, not even writing the stupid thing…but then, he may not have been able to afford that jazzy house that Tony R found for him, right down the street from his own house….ah yes, but he LIED about that guy “Barely knew him, Rezko–not the fellow I thought I knew” as well. Oh, and then he LIED about that church–you know full well that somewhere, someone has video of The Anointed One singing and smiling in the pews. It would not surprise me if someone is going to find their way outta the hood by selling those images to someone willing to pay Big Money for them. Those will probably hit the airwaves in mid-October…!

tzada

Standing ovation!
wry

OOPS I should’ve read down. I thought the Duchy was the Duchy as in royalty…and she could only be passed on the left. I need to bone up on my Rasta speak.

Hope Floats

Musical Youth. Where were you in the 80′s?

Johnboy

I’m thinking it will be that he lost because he is black. I can smell it. I smelt it while the Pennsylvanians cozied up to our Hillary. There was a sense that she was the lesser of two evils. Sad the Democrats couldn’t float the right candidate in a cake-walk year. We would have been making the same predcitions if Hillary got the nod. She lost becasue she’s a woman. She lost because of Bill. She lost because she lied. Oh wait a minute we did that already didn’t we? Keep fanning the flames you will all regret it.

Love, a very sad Democrat. Johnboy

http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

I think I understand. I go in silence about it too.
rw

perfectly understood. the protest has been done. let us watch in diligent observance the debates to come, then in Nov. silently go into the voting station and do our duty for our country.
Bamboozled

SusanUnPc, I understand your point, and if I thought being a nice quite little Democratically-shunned woman would help Hillary in the future I may consider being silent now, but I don’t think those bitter Obots will ever back Hillary once Obama is defeated.

So, I proudly and loudly announce that I will be voting for John McCain. They can’t control me or my vote or silence me — now or ever.

Sharon

I agree!!!!!!!!!!
wodiej

same here…they can all kiss my ass.
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Now that’s what I want to hear… an opposing view that is well-expressed.

it IS true that Obama’s diehard supporters will NEVER treat Hillary properly, no matter what she and we do.

Ugh.

I just don’t get it. Look at the recent FISA vote, for example. She voted again, he for. Yet the ‘bots just mindlessly march along in lockstep.

Do you think four years of maturation will make any difference?

beebop

If I did, I’d support a new website for disaffected Obots and their left hands ….
beebop

A serious answer:

As a Senator, John McCain has never advocated lifestyle politics — until his run for the presidency. If he can govern for four years without ruling bedrooms and vaginas, I might never go back to the “new” Democratic party. That should be the biggest concern. People in my family live into their 90′s. They have me for another 36 years and I can vote for a lot of Republicans unless they start to listen to the people who ~~are their base~~ have been their base.
Ferdberfle

4-years; 400 years; it will make no difference.

bert

I agree, Obama will never be ready for prime time. He is a narcissist first of all. And after he loses he will be a ‘has been’ along with Gore and Kerry. He will not be able to overcome the Republican and 527 assaults on him and his lack of character he will never be able to recover.

After his loss I think we first need to concentrate on cleaning out and cleaning up the DNC of Dean and Company. We need to build a new party that is more in line with the old FDR coalition.

Then when that is done we need to clean up the primary system starting with the caucuses.

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

don’t forget cleaning out the repug party as well!!!

This is how we started in 2000

and it’s only gone downhill ever since imo.

imustprotest

I agree, there is no action that will help Hillary for 2012, there never was….the “leadership”, Donna, Dean, Nancy, etal wanted the Clintons out, now and forever. If the corrupt DNC and the Narcissist “win” (gulp) and take power they’ll be even worse if you can imagine. No, they have to be soundly defeated in November and the only way to do that is making sure McCain wins.

http://medusa2.wordpress.com/ Medusa

I agree with you, Bamboozled.

The sexism and misogyny that we see directed at Hillary is not going to stop because we act like good little soldiers, marching along to orders.

I don’t know who I’m going to vote for, but I do know that I will NEVER vote for BO. Not just because I am a thoroughly angry and disgruntled Hillary supporter, which I am. But because I have seen the corruption, lying and power machinations that put a totally inexperienced and dangerous candidate at the top of the ticket.

I’m not going to try to please anyone. If they want MY vote, then I expect them to please me.

http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/ timepassages

They will blame the clintons, for the loss. It is a sad reality! Please see my blog today and put some pressure on those delegates!!!

http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/

JayD

Hello timepassages, I live in New Mexico. Although I am not a Native American I am delighted to see your website is alive and well within the Native American community. There are too many misinformed people still running around our state regarding Obama. They have their head in the clouds and need to wake up so they can see something other than shapeless banks of fog.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

It’s the Victim Card, close relative of the RACE CARD, and precursor of the Guilt Card.

It’s the only cards they have, and the only cards the Obama’s have ever known how to use.

From Columbia and Princeton to Harvard and Chicago. Those holy trinity of cards have brought them the good life.

Like the panhandlers on the street corner, if the cards did not work, they would not keep using them.

Just Say NOBAMA

http://! Clinton Fan

Well, as I have said, I’m down to two cards:

The Kiss My Pretty Pink Ass card, and the I Own My Vote card…and I’m throwing down!

http://libland libland

Yes, it is all Hillary’s fault and everyone who dares not vote for The One is racist.
HARP

Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, received consulting fees from the MBNA Corporation from 2001 to 2005 for work on online banking issues. Aides to Mr. Obama, who chose Mr. Biden as his vice-presidential running mate on Saturday, would not say how much the younger Mr. Biden, who works as both a lawyer and lobbyist in Washington, had received, though a company official had once described him as having a $100,000 a year retainer. But Obama aides said he had never lobbied for MBNA and that there was nothing improper about the payments. …

Mr. Biden’s support for the bankruptcy changes, which were signed into law in 2005, puts him at odds with Mr. Obama of Illinois, who opposed the bill and has criticized the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, for supporting it. Consumer advocates and other Democratic allies remain sharply critical of Mr. Biden’s actions, saying in recent days that they could hamper the campaign’s efforts to attack the Republicans over their handling of the nation’s credit crisis.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/25/bidens-son-consulted-for-credit-company-biden-defended-in-senate/

Rob in Chicago

HARP:

Thank you for posting this. Biden’s ties to MBNA and his vote with the Republicans in favor of the Bankruptcy bill and perpetual forced indentured servitude to the credit card companies demonstrates clearly who owns and controls Joe Biden. He and his hair plugs have now become Obama’s butt plug.

http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

I think the two things we will hear — and both will be false — when McCain becomes president from the can’t-stop-whining Obama camp are:

* It’s Hillary’s fault (everything is)

* The American electorate is ‘racist’

These clowns and disingenues cannot accept their own failures and shortcomings, just ask John “Cone of Silence” McCain.

Does anyone seriously think that these people won’t be spewing this BS after Obama loses?

Ha ha. We all know the kvetchers that constitute Team Obama.

Hope Floats

I love the portmanteau “disingenues.”

http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

Thanks!

Here are two videos most here have likely not seen.

1. Brand-new ad by an African-American Republican outfit named ‘Black Republican PAC.’ They are opposing Barack Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k7aX-MXJyE

2. Texas GOP hits back HARD against Obama’s feeble ’7 houses’ line of attack against John McCain. They invoke the recently discovered half-brother of Barack, the poverty-stricken George Obama of Kenya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSsQdZE0f-A

Dave_Not_For_Obambi

So much for Obambi and his “community work” , he can’t even help out his very poor brother. I mean really what does it cost to erect a decent clay brick home in Kenya, perhaps $2,000.00 US funds, yet Obambi won’t even spring for that, god help the poor and middle class of America, they won’t be helped by Obambi if Obambi clearly can’t even help his very poor brother.

Now if Obambi’s brother could help Obambi politically he would have a Kenya ranch complete with 4-wheelers for weekend fun, lol.

The horror of it all, you can’t make this chit up.
Thinker

Obama can’t handle the housing crisis in Illinois involving property he helped his slumlord friends get, and he can’t even help his own brother’s housing crisis.

And this is the clown that wants to help America’s housing crisis?

no,no,no!

Zee

HARP had this covered, first post.
It’s Not Me

Bill’s penis will feel neglected! EVERYTHING bad has always been because of Bill and his penis.

Uña de Gato

Obama lost because all his shady connections in Chicago and Gaza were finally revealed to the public.

Obama lost because the situation in Iraq improved and that took away his main reason for winning the primaries.

Obama lost because gas prices went down, the way they did in 2004, and people felt more economically secure.

I like this game!

beebop

Obama lost because he thought he could run from his shallow record.

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

Obama lost because we got RID OF DIEBOLD machines!

Obama lost because the Republicans produced the “whitey” tape.

Obama lost because we all got SICK of this DAMN election and all the NEGATIVE quotes, thoughts and racist innuendo towards Hillary & Bill, this Country, white folks, religious folks, gun owners and anyone else that doesn’t agree with them.

tavyprof

Obama lost because Americans couldn’t stomach the way he has left his African family to live in poverty.

Obama lost because it came out that he helped his murderer cousin Odinga – I wonder if there’s a clip of him speaking on the other O’s behalf?

Zee

One ad with him campaigning for Odinga in Kenya, followed by the Islamic rioters burning down a church with women and children in it because Odinga lost should do it.

Republicans may well have this in the vault, not to be released until Obama’s safely the nominee.

katmandu

Of course the Clintons will be blamed.

If Obama loses, I think it will be because the GOP releases damaging info about Obama after the convention. I really feel they have a lot of ammo.

Also, Biden is a terrible choice, for many of the reasons already stated on this blog. And McCain can now play off the lousy Biden pick. If he gets Colin Powell (which I doubt) McCain will win big. He’ll also win if he chooses a female, and there are many capable ones already in the public arena he could pick. p.s. I’m not a female — I just think it’s time. (And by coincidence, Hillary is the best qualified to be President.)

SaraInPA

I hope McCain picks Meg Whitman (eBay CEO) or Sarah Palin (Gov of Alaska). But I think he might do okay by Mitt Romney for the economy agrument(cringe – I’ll really have to hold my nose when I vote if Romney is on the ticket). Hopefully he’ll at least do us a favor with a female running mate. It’s an obvious tactic but I think politically wise and these two women – Whitman and Palin – are strong.

Susan

I agree – I was hoping he’d pick a woman, but the pickings are so slim in the Republican party. The women who seem qualified, like Condaleea Rice and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, make me cringe, and I’m not sure Palin is qualified. I will also have to hold my nose when voting with Romney as VP, and hope McCain can survive his term!

beebop

Kay Bay would be a non-starter for me. I lived in Texas for 25 years and voted against her whenever I could. I would not be able to overcome that ….
DonnaM

Susan, you are forgetting Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman, both highly qualified leaders.

SaraInPA

Carly Fiorina was on Fox News this morning (or last night – I can’t remember!) talking about getting the women’s vote and the new McCain ad about Hillary. She’s compelling, intelligent but I don’t know enough about her political views. Although at this point I’m not sure how much it matters. I have to cover my ears sometimes when McCain talks about social issues but he’s still getting my vote. It’s sad, but true. Palin and Whitman are both conservatives, straight up and down republicans but they are likeable enough and it would be a smart move at this point for McCain. It’s like he would recognize that we feel there was rampant sexism in the primaries and maybe help combant that by putting a woman into executive power.

http://! Clinton Fan

OLYMPIA SNOW.

Men love her, women love her.

She’s also a dab hand at issues of infrastructure, expenditure, national defense and national security.

msindy

I’d love to see her, too. But she’s pro-choice. And McCain appears bound and determined to woo the far right rather than the moderates. I think it’s a really bad strategy. He needs someone to offset his anti-choice stance. But one of the must have items on his veep checklist is anti-choice. Of course, Romney is musical chairs when it comes to that – who knows what he actually believes.

msindy

More on pro-choice Republicans:

http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/womens_rights/003496.php
Hope Floats

The base is being rather forgiving with McCain. He antagonized them for so many years, and the one thing they insist on is a pro-life position that is consistent. McCain has an excellent voting record, but they are really peeved about the Gang of Fourteen. Snowe was one of them, too. It’s reason I love her. She’s in the middle of every major piece of legislation that gets passed, and I think she’d make such a good President. She’s very knowledgeable on issues. The conservatives would freak out, though.

JML

Why worry about “qualifications” in the conversation of a female GOP VP?

I mean, if a complete lack of qualifying experience at the top of the ticket is good enough for the Dems, it’s good enough one spot down for the Republicans, too, am I right?

Hope Floats

If McCain picks Sarah Palin, it undermines his commitment to the environment, and he loses undecided voters. She supports drilling in ANWR. She won’t help him with conservatives; although she is pro-life, she has a large brood, and they’re young. “Ready on day one” does not come across from the former mayor of Wasalia. Her youth and lack of experience makes it hard for McCain to attack Obama on those points. She isn’t terribly bright. There are too many negatives there.

Meg Whitman sounds interesting, but the Republican base wants someone who is adamantly pro-life. I’m not sure where she stands on that.

Eric Cantor from Virginia would be a good choice. That state is ground zero this year, he’d appeal to both fiscal and social conservatives. He has a good-looking, photogenic family. He is close to Obama’s age and more accomplished.

Tim Pawlenty is another possibility. It depends on internal polling, I’m sure.

Kay Bailey Hutchison would be a good choice for a woman, but she is pro-choice. But she speaks fluent Spanish and would help with Latino outreach.

I like Olympia Snowe, but many conservatives don’t and McCain needs them.

Hope

If he picks any Republican woman, she would likely face Hillary in 2012.
DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

Cantor is NASTY

I’ve seen his smarmy shit eating grin.

I’d stay home before I’d go for that! He’s a nasty puppy.

NOW OLYMPIA I would vote for!!!

Hope Floats

HAHAHA. That answers the question of whether women think Cantor is cute. He would help in Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia, I’d imagine. He supposedly a prodigious fundraiser.

But I agree with you that Olympia Snowe would be attractive to Clinton supporters. It would be a gutsy move, but perhaps reckless.

msindy

I think McCain needs moderates more than he needs the far right. Most of the country – many of whom are Republican – are pro-choice. A lot of Republican women hold their noses on choice when they vote. Bush’s mother & wife, McCain’s wife, Ford’s wife, Nixon’s wife, … they are all pro-choice.
CountryFirst

There is not now, nor will there ever be the perfect candidate, the one that agrees with you on everything. I happen to be a person that believes that we drill now, drill everywhere, and pursue all energy resources available. We have got to gain our energy independence or else forever be held hostage to Russia and the Middle East. But what I think is most important this political season is to stop the dangerous Obama machine from taking control of the White House. When I pull that lever, it will be for the opposition to Obama, McCain and whoever he picks for VP. I will be voting for President and hope the VP will be good enough to help us make it through the next 4 years while the DNC takes a good look at itself and makes some acceptable changes.

If Obama loses, it will be because the truth about him and the tactics used to elevate him, have managed, against all odds, to surface to the mainstream public.

Zee

Oh, no! Don’t cringe! I’m still hoping for Mittwit!!!

Now if Larry realllllllly wants a comedy team in DC, Mittwit would fit the bill!

Monet

Susan, when Senator Obama loses in November, Hillary is going to be blamed. It doesn’t matter whether I tell people how I voted or not. A significant percentage of Democratic party is voting for McCain this year. We may have first thought of voting for McCain earlier this year when we saw that the DNC was undermining Clinton’s campaign, but we haven’t gotten in line and followed her lead in supporting Obama because of reasons one through six.

If I keep my vote secret, I’m still going to be blamed for Obama’s loss – I’m going to be labeled a bitter, middle-aged woman. It’s not going to have anything to do with me being passionate about saying no to self-interest factions within a political party, worried about my personal and nation’s economic future and making an educated, well researched choice to vote for Senator McCain. Nope, I’ll be labeled a bitter, pre-menopausal woman letting her emotions guide her. Fine, label me away. But I’m going to stand up and say my name is Jane Doe, I’m voting for McCain, and list my reasons which have nothing to do at this point with Hillary Clinton and everything to do with the incompetence, laziness and inexperience of Senator Obama who relies on corruption to meet his career goals.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Good for you.

I am not “married” to what I wrote above. I can change my mind at any time. It’s just that, right now, I don’t want to give the MSM any more ammo.

I’ve also considered this argument: That if enough of us loudly proclaim that we’re voting for McCain, that the Democratic party might actually reconsider what it has done. But that is far too much to hope for, isn’t it.

On to my next story …. about Mr. Obama

Monet

Susan, my fingers are also crossed that Hillary leaves Denver as the Democratic nominee. It’s crossed my mind that speaking out over the past couple of months has the DNC thinking us “traitors” have influenced the general population along with the delegates and they need to do something quick about the roll call vote. It’s obvious the DNC is running scared this week.

My analysis of the situation is the DNC has declared Senator Clinton has climbed as high has she’s going to. If she plays nice with them, she’ll keep her Senate seat. If she doesn’t, she’ll find herself unemployed. Whether I play nice and keep my views to myself isn’t going to help or hinder Senator Clinton. The MSM has already decided what angle it’s going to display the Obama campaign in. When he loses, it’s because of Clinton supporters and racists. If we all go silent today, they have polls and an year’s worth of internet fodder to refill their ammo with.

At this point I don’t think we have anything to lose by raising our voices. Nor will our silence help Senator Clinton. I’m going to continue to raise my voice and fight the corruption within the DNC and not base my arguments on Senator Clinton. As for the MSM, they’ve lost all credibility and the only people I know who are still paying attention to the MSM are people who never vote anyway.

I understand your position, but I don’t think it’s going to benefit Senator Clinton in the end. I don’t think this is a situation where silence is golden. Our silence will tarnish Senator Clinton, as will our voices. I have confidence that whether we’re silent or screaming at the top of our lungs, Senator Clinton has a firm grasp on her career and she’ll come out of this stronger than ever.
http://! Clinton Fan

I see shit like that YOUTUBE snark and it encourages me to vote for Old Popeye. I cannot believe that sort of vitriol. They wanna crow? I’ll give them some crow–I’ll shove it down their miserable throats!

It’s almost as though these Lord of the Flies Obots secretly WANT McCain to win….

pm317

going to stand up and say my name is Jane Doe, I’m voting for McCain, and list my reasons which have nothing to do at this point with Hillary Clinton and everything to do with the incompetence, laziness and inexperience of Senator Obama who relies on corruption to meet his career goals.

I think the key is to make sure that we say clearly and loudly that our reasons have nothing to do with Hillary at this point but everything to do with……….
{to me that is part of protecting Hillary and her assets in the party as Susan points out below, because we need her and her faction within the party to bring about the reforms we need.}

Hope

Hopefully, the poll question that arises when Obama’s numbers tank will have nothing to do with Hillary, but everything to do with which scandal the MSM finally reports about Obama.

Obama loses ground in numbers to difficult to regain before the election due to……..

No birth cerificate
Illegal and Foreign contributions
Money Laundering
Gay extramarital affairs( can’t handle your own house…)
Campaign alliance with Odinga(murderous rampage catalyst)
Deaths surrounding Obama’s campaign have been offically linked
NQ website goes mainstream as most popular site on the internet
Funneling money to slumlord Rezko
Ties to communist, rapist Davis
Ties to anti-American terrorist Ayers

Any one of these things would have ended any campaign in American history….what is different here?

Thinker

What different is the fact that Obama is biracial, and a lot of people used to be scared of being called racist.

That fear has diminished greatly now, and many people are starting to see Obama for what he really is – and call him out on it.

Sharon

You are the first to call him lazy. I agree – he got bored with the primary and now the GE. What is going to happen when he gets bored with the Presidency. I was too scared to say lazy for being called a racist.

Zee

They’re automatically labeling you racist, no matter what. And they say every personality trait Obama displays is a racist slur. But they have no problem calling women “bitter” “periodically down” “emotional” let alone overtly calling us bitchez, hos, and C.U.N.T.s
Monet

Sharon, I’ve been afraid to use the word lazy too because of the racial connotations. I do see Senator Obama as lazy and it has nothing to do with his parentage and everything to do with his career choices.

It’s obvious at some point that Obama put some effort into obtaining his education, Occidental, Columbia and Harvard. While money, affirmative action, charm or knowing the right people might get you into one of the schools, hitting the jackpot with all three isn’t going to happen unless you’ve actually shown some work ethic and aptitude.

His professional career has shown a man who has chosen to take the easy way into politics. It’s much easier to rise when you have nefarious characters with money who need you to stamp their legislation. Reviewing Obama’s career, he worked at getting to know the “right” people so he’d be considered as a candidate for mayor in Chicago or the state legislature. He made sure he took very few sides while in the Illinois legislature and only worked at making his financial supporters happy. He spent more time raising his public profile on a national level that he actually did teaching at the University of Chicago or working for his Chicago constituents. He’s done nothing in Washington that is noteworthy as a senator to the point that what is noteworthy about him is he hasn’t done anything as a senator other than run for the presidency.

I find it disheartening to see a man who has the intelligence, education, charisma and drive to have been an outstanding politician who has squandered it all away because it was less work and a faster climb to align himself with corruption. He’s a master at furthering his career goals without doing any legitimate hard work. There is no higher career goal once you’re in the Oval Office and since he’s never learned to work for anything other than winning elections by amassing support through corruption, his presidency will make Bush’s look like the best thing to ever happen to America. All his backers who have managed to stay out of prison will expect their favors to be repaid. Once he gets bored repaying his backers, I don’t even want to think about what he’ll decide he wants next.

Thinker

It’s much easier to rise when you have nefarious characters with money who need you to stamp their legislation.

He made sure he took very few sides while in the Illinois legislature and only worked at making his financial supporters happy.

- I agree 100% !!!
Northwest rain

I wasn’t afraid to call him lazy — because he is lazy. In Hawaii we learned to call people out for their behavior — regardless of their race (or mixed race). With so many people of color and mixed race you see the individual and her/his character. That’s the culture that Barry came from. Barry is a lazy punk — and I’m sure he got called on this many times.

Even at his high priced Prep school — whites are the minority. Asians are hard working — and they probably laughed themselves silly when Barry tried to pull the race card.

Barry is lazy.

LM

I wasn’t sure from this post whether you will keep it secret to protect Hillary or to protect yourself. The latter I understand, the former I think is probably misguided.

Hillary is unlikely ever to be president at this point. The issue is so much bigger than that; it’s about the future of democracy. I won’t hide my vote to protect Hillary — much bigger issues are at stake and frankly her role in the next election is not as important. There will be another good candidate — though I’ve no idea what party they’ll be in.

We need huge reforms in voting, primaries and legislative representation. These are enormous issues requiring radical change. We can’t hang onto small and outdated hopes, like Hillary in 2012, when bigger issues are at stake, and a massive and clearly understood Obama loss is the only way to achieve those.

So at a personal level I understand keeping your head down to avoid backlash. But I say let the pollsters know exactly what’s up.

Five Thirty

Hillary is unlikely ever to be president at this point. The issue is so much bigger than that; it’s about the future of democracy.

Yes – and also, the msm has a vendetta against the Clintons that pre-dates this election by more than a decade. The issue is also about the absence of a true press in the USA.
HARP

Nor will I.
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Powerfully stated reasoning.

The tricky part about election reform — like getting rid of the caucuses — will ONLY happen WITHIN the party.

If we exclude ourselves from the party by voting for McCain, they will not listen to us.

How I wish that caucuses were part of the federal election purview, as they should be. That we didn’t have to tap dance with those DNC leaders. But that is the sole way we can effect real change in that system.

AND (!) one real path to making that happen is to get Hillary’s FRIENDS in control of the DNC again. So her future is of great importance to us — she will aid us in election reform.

So it is in the interests of your stated goals that we try to keep Hillary viable for the future.

(It’s not about protecting myself. I long ago got past that when all of my “friends” at the lefty blogs turned on me with a viciousness I’ll never forget.)

Hope Floats

The caucus system was put into play to advantage the underdog in an election, but it has been weighted to primarily keep blacks in power. They will not give that up.

Hillary also ran a poor campaign. She could have been better prepared for the caucuses and responded to the threat of Obama earlier, but she did not.

Think about 2012 in 2010. Don’t let blackmailing and threats force your decision-making when you vote.

The next time a strong woman runs for high office, be prepared for this and be organized. Look for the existing corruption on a local level. The throwing out of Florida votes is an example. That was reported in the media early on, but no one was paying attention then. The outrage came much later when Hillary was losing, and she should have said something earlier at least.

It was a dirty campaign, and Hillary got beaten, although unfairly. But playing nice and begging the DNC to make changes will not work IMO.

Hope

Hillary also ran a poor campaign.

It could be argued that 1) Obama plants ran a horrible campaign for Hillary 2)The Obama campaign and DNC were going to cheat no matter what; therefore, there was nothing Hillary could have done. She could not have known of the tactics of bullying,intimidation, and voter fraud they would ultimately use in those caucuses.

But you are so right..we will not forget, and we cannot afford to play nice and let them forget either.

Zee

Yes, and don’t forget the Hillary camp DID report on caucus irregularities but the complicit media ignored the story.

wonderwoman

I don’t know how she could have been prepared for a caucus. He constituents would most likely stand in line for a caucus( wouldn’t) Remember Obama had the kids who probably won’t vote for him again.

CountryFirst

So, Susan, when you go into the voting booth, how do they know who you voted for? As I see it, you as a registered Democrat can still have a say in the Party policy, but you don’t have to vote for a candidate that you think is totally wrong for the country.
Northwest rain

At this point it doesn’t matter who we vote for — because the Obama cult members have taken their clue from their leader and declared older women as the enemy.

Obama had tons of money at the very start of his race and he bought the Caucus State Dem parties. Washington no longer has a democrat party — it is the Obamacrat party.

Susan you were in the hospital and thus didn’t see the extent of the dem sell out to Obama.

What is worse that that WA state taxpayers paid for a primary — and the Obamacrat leadership decided to toss out the will of the people and bow to their new master — Obama.

Some are arguing to vote out ALL of the dems in order to clean house — the dems who sold out to Obama.

The caucus must be eliminated — because all it takes is for a favored pretty boy to buy the loyalty of the dem leadership and we will see a repeat of using red state delegates to steal another election.

The WA State dem leadership are whores — and it will take a state by state effort to clean out the political whores in order to shut down the “Obama loop hole” — caucus gaming.

JayD

I, too, am sorry that this mess has come to Hillary’s feet. She will continue to be hurt politically by it even though it is definitely not her fault. I cannot agree to support Obama to save Hillary for some future election. I cannot sacrifice what I believe in for anyone’s career.

As far as I am concerned, Hillary has already won within the Democratic Party. She has opened millions of eyes to the truth of what is important and what is not. I will do what I can to assist her moving forward within the Party but I will not sacrifice my core beliefs for anyone, not even her. I would not want her to sacrifice her core beliefs for me.

She has already won our hearts. What more need she win?

Uña de Gato

Obama lost because Michelle went around the country campaigning with all the subtlety of Godzilla stomping on Tokyo.

Kevin

I hear the cheesy 1960s Japanese sound effects now.

What is impressing me, is the rapidity (preparedness) of the McCain campaign in response to whatever move/statement/claim of the BHO cult.
The house gaffe-ad out within 24 hours
The VP announcement, 2 ads out in less than a day.

What I would love, love, love is that they have the Whitey Tape ad ready to go tonight after miss congeniality gives her speech.
Now that would be a mastercard “priceless” moment.

pm317

How did the Dems get into this mess? — don’t answer that. {I am an independent as of May 31.} I think the PUMAs have to carefully think what their agenda/message is after the nomination which includes what impact they will have on Hillary’s future. So far the Obama campaign and his minions, the DNC , and the media want to pretend they are a non-entity and irrelevant but come November and a landslide defeat, they will make it a monstrosity that led to their defeat. PUMA is serving a great purpose now in highlighting what went wrong with the primary but they also have to be careful not to get played into the hands of these fxxking bastards.

Kevin

what happened is that once again the far left imposed their will on the party, this time through caucus fraud, DNC machinations, etc. The reason that Pres. Clinton is the only two-term POTUS the Democrats have produced since Johnson (ok, I know 1.25 terms), is that they keep nominating the more liberal, or easily painted as liberal, candidate. America is mostly center-right.
Nice bump in the polls barfy. Must be all those die-hard, hard core Bidenites out there (both of them) swelling the ranks of the obots.
Dave_Not_For_Obambi

I think the PUMAs have to carefully think what their agenda/message is after the nomination which includes what impact they will have on Hillary’s future.

How about after Nov. , the New Democratic Party (NDP)with Hillary at the helm. Essentially it would be a re-building of the former Democratic Party before it was taken over by Chigaco thugs.

Phishmelt

the saudis lowered the price of oil for 2004 as they knew it would help the repubs. no doubt it will happen again and then go up after nov elections.

Oh boy, just in time for winter.

Oh, and the spike in future prices is going to be hillary’s fault.
fred

The 300 Delegate contingent are on the verge of devastation. After all their work, all their dedication the Big Shots are STILL planning a work-around. Now they’re talking about a closed door written vote on Wednesday morning with no established Chain of Possession. No roll call vote is the threat.

There is no avenue to submit the petition. The delegates were hoping to present the petition tomorrow to be read on the floor. Now it looks like they won’t get the chance to even do that.

If any Puma out there knows where Howard Dean is staying in Denver, please let me know?

Until then, please call The Sheraton Hotel and ask for Howard Dean.

1-303-757-3341.

After that, call the Ritz. 1-303-312-3800.

We’ll find him — one way or the other.

Tell whoever answers the phone — ROLL CALL VOTE IN PUBLIC, ON THE FLOOR. STOP TRYING TO SILENCE HILLARY’S DELEGATES.
http://blog.pumapac.org/
Anon 1

Good News All

I just heard on Mid Morning (MPR) with Kerri Miller that Hillary CLinton has secured the website Hillary 2012.

Stay strong!!!
pal3

It’s so funny. CNN is reporting the Republicans are at the Convention recruiting Hillary’s supporters. I didn’t think they were that clever. With all of Obama’s scandals, you think Bush is bad…If Obama gets into office, everyone will be able to blackmail him.

Hope

Ha Ha good point. Although teflon doesn’t even desrcribe it. All these dirty deeds and skeletons and the guy shows no fear of it hurting his campaign. He believes he is the’One’.

Patrick

Silence via Shame or fear is an ugly thing. It is never a solid route to take. Let me try and explain why with a simple deduction (as an outsider – McCain supporter for disclosure – looking in).

First off, you all must understand that no matter what you do, no matter whether you say who you are voting for or not, Hillary has already been set up by the MSM and Obama as the fall-girl. It IS going to happen no matter what you do. Obama via the MSM is going to play that story line for months after the election and you cannot escape it via silence. However, you also MUST understand that the bulk of the American public is growing to respect and admire Hillary through the tribulations she is experiencing now. Think about it…four years down the road, however, Obama will be an afterthought. Barring unforeseen issues, Clinton will be the hands down democratic frontrunner and in a match-up between her and McCain, there will be MUCH LESS VITRIOL based simply on the fact that McCain is essentially endorsing her as the Democratic standard bearer right now via his courting of her constituents.

I.E., you have NOTHING to lose by openly supporting her and EVERYTHING to gain.

2) I live in a college town and let me tell you the Ozombies are out in force here. People are literally ‘afraid’ to show their support for McCain for fear of retribution. The young Ozealots are literally acting like drunk cult members. It is a truly frightening thing to see on college campuses. But my wife and I decided we will NOT be silenced via fear. WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED VIA FEAR. Our local McCain headquarters had been open for a couple weeks. We had not had a chance to get down to get our yardsign and finally did. In our neighborhood, there were three Obama signs (good people mind you, not young Ozombies). We put our sign out on a Saturday morning, the first in our neighborhood. By Monday there were SIX MORE just in our half of the development AND we got two calls from people who thanked us for putting our sign out because they weren’t sure whether they should/could put theirs out. Once we put ours out, they did likewise and the whole place feels a lot ‘freer’ now. Trust me, this trying to SILENCE your opinion is exactly what Axelrod and Obama want.

Respectfully,
Patrick

pm317

Clinton will be the hands down democratic frontrunner and in a match-up between her and McCain, there will be MUCH LESS VITRIOL based simply on the fact that McCain is essentially endorsing her as the Democratic standard bearer right now via his courting of her constituents.

I.E., you have NOTHING to lose by openly supporting her and EVERYTHING to gain.

Good point! I hadn’t thought of that. {As an after thought to my own post, I agree with you that silence may not prevent what will inevitably happen but there is no reason to shoot ourselves in the foot either.}

pm317

Silence via caution?

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

Sorry

I want her NOW

2012 will NOT give her a shoe in

The MEDIA will always hate her but it’s NOT UP TO THE MEDIA

I’m hoping the PEOPLE will grow some balz in the next 24 to 48 hours and vote SMART!!!

No way would I plan for 2012

Look what they assumed 4 yrs before today!! NOTHING is happening that was previous planned. Not the people nor their ability to get the truth!!!

They are SUNK TODAY
WE NEED HILLARY TODAY

bert

You are absolutely right Patrick. Thanks for sharing. And thanks for your courage. As English philosopher Edmund Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’ The courage of millions – 18 million to be exact can do wonders.

RFK said it best – “Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others….he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistence.”

tzada

Glad you posted that quote. It is one of my favorite and it was on my computer at another location and I was wishing it was here. Thanks….

Patrick

I think, ultimately, people MUST stand up for what they believe in. We all do it in our own ways. For me as a centrist republican, it was to write in John McCain four years ago and be a vociferous voice of dissent in our local community against the railings of a mysogynistic idiot like our former senator (R) and resident idiot Rick Santorum. I am NOT beholden to a political party, but I sure as hell AM beholden to my country.

Do you believe in your hearts that Hillary Clinton loves her country? I do, I think it’s obvious. NONE of us, not one of us, is in HER shoes, having to play this horribly public game of supporting a deficient candidate. I believe she is doing exactly what she thinks she NEEDS to do for the betterment of the country. Think of the uproar among the media if she officially came out and said “Obama sucks, we all know he’s a pedantic neophitic totalitarion thug, and I cannot vote nor support him.” I belive she feels the reaction of moderates would be to flock to him as the ‘poor sould who ran afoul of those evil Clintons.’

Hillary is bright, give her credit for understanding the nuances of actually being a MAJOR PLAYER in the party. She does what she feels she needs to do and you can be certain she is counting on you all doing what YOU NEED TO DO. You are not under the microscope that she is under and will not feel the blowback that she will feel (she’s going to feel blowback anyway, the only way she can minimize it WHEN – not if – Obama loses is to give no clear indication of anything untoward).

Simple point, you all know who she will vote for when the curtains close in that voting booth…

Respectfully,
Patrick

agent77

Puma Power re: not vetting Clinton

“There’s two camps in Hillary land — there’s the peacemakers and the PUMAs — Party Unity My Aunt Fannie,” (Paul) Begala said. “They’re still not behind Obama. Some of them are stirring up a lot of trouble. I don’t like it. I’m a peace maker. This story empowers the PUMA crowd because they see this, and I do too, as sort of disrespecting Senator Clinton and breaking Senator Obama’s word.

But forever practical Hillary tries to rescue Obama from the fallout of his dissing her

I never said I [wanted the job],” she told reporters. “I have always said I will do whatever I can because I feel so strongly in making sure that we elect Senator Obama our next president.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/22/did-clinton-get-snubbed/
Uña de Gato

Obama lost because Donna Brazile flipped her two-toned skunk wig and actually thought Rove was giving her good advice.

wodiej

ROTFLMAO!!
Lee12

Yep. I agree. Donna got played like a fiddle.

katmandu

Thoughtful piece by Richard Cohen in the Wash Post has this humorous note:

For Obama, the risk in choosing Biden is that he will, sooner or later, throw this highly disciplined campaign off-message. Biden has substituted loquaciousness for the conventional and more colorful weaknesses of politicians. To quote something I once wrote, his mouth is his Achilles’ heel.

In response to that column, Biden called and left a message. He thanked me for the column . . . he needed to be told the truth . . . it was good for him . . . hard to hear, but in the end the sort of thing he needed to know . . . of course, he had his reasons for going on so long — this was during the confirmation hearing for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito — since he had things to say . . . points to make . . . but, yes, I was right, and he went on too long and he had to do something about that and it was good of me to point it out. Beep! The machine cut him off.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/24/AR2008082401857.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
wodiej

A rather obvious point to Obots and Obama that they themselves are making is if Obama is so damn qualified, why do they need to use thug tactics, blame Hillary and whoever else they can think will take it?

I read in the Wall St Journal this morning that they talked to advisors for McCain and Obama. While McCain’s advisor gave specific answers to questions, all Obama’s did was say McCain is like Bush!

Rob in Chicago

That is “the message” of the Obama camp for the remainder of the campaign (that’s all they got!!), and those advisors were just “staying on message”, like the good OBOTS they are. Let’s see if Senator MBNA can stay on message (can you teach an old dog new tricks?).

Flforexperience

We are Democrats who own our votes. We are not SHEEP. We would like for the Democratic Party to realize that THEY do not choose the candidate by cheating. The Democrats who VOTE choose the candidate who they feel should receive the nomination. Hillary Clinton IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING US AROUND OR MAKING CANDIDATE OBAMA A BETTER CANDIDATE. There is more than enough ample evidence out there that there was cheating and abuse of power by the party and by the Obama campaign. One of these is a documentary called “We will not be silenced.” http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Flforexperience

We are Democrats who own our votes. We are not SHEEP. We would like for the Democratic Party to realize that THEY do not choose the candidate by cheating. The Democrats who VOTE choose the candidate who they feel should receive the nomination. Hillary Clinton IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING US AROUND OR MAKING CANDIDATE OBAMA A BETTER CANDIDATE. There is more than enough ample evidence out there that there was cheating and abuse of power by the party and by the Obama campaign. One of these is a documentary called “We will not be silenced.” http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
http://hillaryorbust.blogspot.com Hillary or Bust

I hope you aren’t subtly suggesting here that we vote for Obama so Hillary doesn’t get the blame if he loses?

Only a vitriolic small number of Obama supporters are THAT anti-Hillary. Almost all the people I know who plan to vote for Obama are doing so because they are voting against the Republicans – not FOR Obama. Obama is not as popular as you imply here.

Hillary won’t be blamed so much as the “racists” anyway.

pm317

I don’t think that is what Susan is saying — I read it more like if we keep advertising that we will vote for McCain, that will hurt Hillary.

Linda

….continued

Barack lost because he attacked his rival Hillary Clinton for offering Universal Health Care for all-a supposedlly core Democratic principle.

Barack lost because he was seen as the liar he is, to say anything to win; end justifying the means. Too many examples, but issues sighted as far back as his entrance in to the Senate in 2005. Claimed to be opposed to the Iraq War, but voted to keep it going for the 2 years before announcing his run for Presidency of the United Sates. He even voted against the one Bill brought to the floor by Kerry and Feingold in June 2006 calling for an end to our occupation within a year. He also campaigned for his US Senate seat on the injustices of the Patriot Act and no soon got in to the US Senate and voted YES for the Reauthorization of the Pariot Act

Barack lost because he votes according to his donors, excamples are Financial Institutions, Coal, Oil, Nuclear.

Barack lost because he even managed to flip on his core and Democratic principles, capping his major flips, earning him the name of Backtrack Obama with offshore oil drilling, FISA and Campaign Finance with rejecting Public Financing.
erik

Silently or not, I fear the Barrack supporters will never see the light and come back to the Clinton wing of the Democrat party. For Hillary to ever win, she will have to become very centrist. That doesn’t mean giving up her core values such as right to chose. But maybe making it clear she values life and would not support infanticide as Obama does.
And like it or not, support seeking alternative energy solutions, while proceeding cautiously on the global warming agenda until there is more hard core science to prove it. I know I will get killed for that statement, but if you want Hillary to ever win she will have to compromise in some areas.
So yes, I guess I am a Reagan Democrat or a Clinton Republican. I think independently. I don’t agree with Hillary on every single issue, but I think her and Bill before her are brilliant people. I wanted her to win in the worst way. For my country, for my wife and for my daughter.
So I will support McCain publicly without reservation or guilt. Unless Hillary goes independent. But I guess it is too late in the game for that.
PewL

I think if Obama doesn’t step down,the Mccain campaign,will embarrass Obama so, bad,it will be Obama’s own fault he lost…The Government in Power,can get any kind of imformation they want on Obama,Probable places the everyday person couldn’t get.. If Bush wants Mccain in Power,they will find evidence to get him there.imo.

wodiej

I agree, Obama, his campaign and his Bots are clueless about what is getting ready to happen-ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS. That race baiting, name calling and thuggery doesn’t work w Republicans.

Hillary the President

OB/BS lost because American people did not trust him at all!!!!!!!
dee4hill

new mccain ad: “debra”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597YG23mAWs

Denver
The campaign released a new ad today featuring Debra Bartoshevich, a lifelong Democrat and former Clinton delegate, explaining why she supports John McCain. Debra will also be joining us this morning for a press conference in Denver at Not Ready ’08 HQ.
hmmmm

If Barack Obama loses Pennsylvannia it is all over. HRC dad was fron Scranton ,PA. I do not see Joe Biden winning over those type of voters.

PA is a must win for Obama.

Boxer Mum 06

I believe McCain will win PA.

PA has a large number of seniors who always turn out to vote and they will vote for McCain, not Obama.

Ed Rendell faced Lynn Swann in the last election for Governor. Swann was a new comer with little experience in politics. Rendell ran away with the election.

PA is not a blue state, it’s very much a purple state. We may be bitter and clinging to our guns but aparently we put country before party and do some research on our candidates before voting for them.

Another thing I strongly believe is that Mr. Casey will be gone after one term. The only reasons he won the election were for his father and because so many folks were sick of Rick Santorum.

Who cares if Biden is from Delaware and was born in Scranton. He is still the VP on the ticket, not the President.

I’m pretty confident most people voting are voting for the name on the top of the ticket and not making excuses and voting for Obama just because of Biden. If Biden were that strong in PA, he would have done better in the primary.

Biden is only on the ticket to be an attack dog against the GOP.

karen for Clinton

Also, this was Clinton country long before Hillary ran here. It was partly due to Big Dawg that she did so well here. And partly due to ob shooting off his big mouth and telling everyone lies.

karen for Clinton

Funny, after writing that I went out for a drive and the radio was tuned to WILK and Steve Corbett was going off about Biden not mentioning Scranton on his senate website biography. Biden’s site mentions him growing up in Delaware and totally skips any mention of PA.

Also there were plenty of callers saying NO DEAL.

There were a few independents that have great concerns about ob and all the callers had one thing in common – they would have gladly voted for

HILLARY.

I sense a great big dud coming.

Steve said NoBama, NoBiden.
Rev. Wright, can you fix my garlic nose?

Who cares if Biden is from Delaware and was born in Scranton. He is still the VP on the ticket, not the President.

From my location in PA, I could walk to DE if I had to. Biden’s “neighborly” status will not help him at all in my part of the state. We’re pretty proud to be from PA and look askance at all things Delawarean – except the 0% sales tax!

ugo

“…But her political future is foreever tainted…”

I do not know about that. I beg to differ.

Sen. Clinton has always been a democrat.

When you come to such a conclusion, it beg to ask the question what do you mean?

I respectfully disagree.

What has she done?

The DNC is forever tainted

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

The DNC is SURELY tainted!

and THAT is a NICE way to put it!

Dean, Donna, Nancy and the rest of the rules & bylaws committee have DESTROYED the Democratic Party.

No longer even SLIGHTLY democratic about DIDDLY!!!

They are liars
frauds
players and cheats

EXACTLY like their oppostion was in 2000 & 2004.

Dems can NOT act like Repugs and get away with it. NOT even ONE time. It’s like telling a banker to FIX their Calculator.

They know how to add up the numbers but have no clue how to work the machine itself.

In the end it is the PEOPLE that either wake up or walk off the cliff (like we did in 2000)
we’re gonna do it again????

NOPE
not this time
not this way

Hillary or McCain

tek

You’ve got it all wrong. TL says the Hillary delegates at the Convention are ENTHUSED about Obama. All but 5% will vote for him. Believe that? Me neither.

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

who is TL?
cdo

enthused you say?
well then i guess there are no pumas to worry about afterall, and obama has no reason to lose.
hhaaahahahahaa.

TL= Talkleft.com

William L. Donlon

The THE PROBLEM ISN’T HILLARY, IT’S BARACK
In Denver, Deep Doubts About Obama
Undecided swing-state voters have trouble supporting the Democratic nominee.

By Byron York
Denver — On the eve of the Democratic National Convention, in a downtown high-rise conference room lined with two-way mirrors, 21 undecided Colorado voters sit trying to decide whether they have more doubts and reservations about Barack Obama or John McCain. It’s not easy.The group has been convened by the pollster Frank Luntz, who usually does this sort of thing on live television but has instead organized the session at the behest of the American Association of Retired Persons and the related activist group Divided We Fail. As the voters answer Luntz’s rapid-fire questions, a small group of reporters watches from the other side of the mirrors. And after two hours of talking, and a pre-convention buildup here in Denver in which Democrats have received lots of positive coverage in this critical swing state, you’d have to say that the news is pretty good for McCain. The undecideds have plenty of problems with him, and they can’t stand George W. Bush, but they seem more deeply concerned about Obama than McCain, because they have still not answered the threshold question about the Democratic nominee: Is he ready
At first, the atmosphere seems quite friendly for Obama. Luntz asks the Democrats in the room to raise their hands. Four people do so. Then he asks for the independents; about 15 hands go up. And then he asks for Republicans to raise their hands. There are none.

That in itself seems to show a pretty significant change. In information sheets the voters had filled out beforehand, twelve said they voted for George W. Bush in 2004, while just five voted for John Kerry. (Four either voted for other candidates or did not vote at all.) What that suggests is that people who voted for Bush just four years ago have no interest in being seen as Republicans now — surely not good news for McCain.

But the undecideds seem willing to separate their dislike of the parties, and the Republican party in particular, from the presidential candidates themselves. When Luntz goes around the room, pressing each person to give his or her best one-word description of Obama, these are some of the answers:

“Scary.”

“New.”

“Terrifying.”

“Charismatic.”

“Unknown.”

“Innovative.”

“Inexperienced.”

“Change.”

“Hopeful.”

“Smooth.”

“Unaffordable.”

“Apocalypse.”

Yes, one guy did say “apocalypse,” which suggests he might not be all that undecided. (On the other side, a couple of people say they’ve recently made up their minds to vote for Obama.) Then Luntz turns the one-word question to McCain:

“Scary.”

“Dependable.”

“Strong.”

“Patriot.”

“Veteran.”

“Bush Two.”

“Older generation.”

“Experienced.”

“Honest.”

“Older.”

“Integrity.”

“Repeat.”

At first, Luntz thinks the man who had said “repeat” had in fact said “creepy,” which seems a little odd. But he had actually said “repeat,” as in McCain would be a repeat of Bush. But listening to all the answers, the bottom line is, if you were a political consultant, and you had your choice between the voters’ impressions of Obama or McCain, you would choose MAnd then there are the issues. Before the session, Luntz asked group members to name the things that mattered most to them in a presidential candidate. He came up with a long list and asked them to pick eight. And the number-one concern, which made it onto the lists of 17 people, is: “Ending wasteful Washington spending and balancing the federal government,” which is, of course, a signature McCain issue. No other topic comes close. Next up is “reducing inflation and keeping costs down,” with ten votes. “Ending American dependence on foreign oil” gets nine votes, as does “bringing accountability and honesty bacCould those concerns be more accurately described as Obama-friendly or McCain-friendly? Not strongly tilted either way, but certainly not tilted against the Republican. Reading the list, McCain would not be unhappy.

The undecideds also seem to be sending messages to the aficionados of hot-button issues both left and the right. For example, “improving our global image and public support internationally,” a favorite in Democratic circles, gets all of one vote. “Holding President Bush accountable for all his mistakes and failures” a huge issue among the netroots, gets two. On the other hand, “putting justices on the Supreme Court who will respect the law, not rewrite it” gets two votes, and “pro-life on abortion” gets one. (“Pro-choice on abortion” gets five votes.) And precisely zero voters assign great significance to “addressing the issue of gay marriage.”

After the voters discuss issues for a while, Luntz hands out little electronic dials and asks them to rate a series of Obama and McCain campaign commercials. First come the positive spots. One of McCain’s “country first” ads gets a rating of over 80 from the Republican leaners and about 70 from the Democratic leaders. The McCain ad describing him as the “original maverick” goes even higher. And an ad in which McCain argues for more oil drilling also hits 70.

Obama’s ads seem a bit less effective. His highest-rated one is his first biographical ad, the one in which he claims to have moved people from welfare to work; it tops 60 percent. Other ads score a bit lower.

Then there are the negative ads. While most voters, when surveyed, say they don’t like attack ads, Luntz asks the group to say which ads they find the most “impactful.” What follows is a bit of real-time research on the utility of negative advertising. And the winner, again, seems to be McCain.

Most people don’t like the idea of McCain’s famous “Celebrity” ad. “Ridiculous,” says one person. “Crap,” says another. “Really didn’t like it,” says a third. But most seem to think the ad had an impact, and when Luntz asks, “Who thought the ‘Celebrity’ ad made Obama look worse?’“ twelve people raise their hands. When he asks, “Who thought it made McCain look worse for running it?” five hands go up. Advantage McCain.

Then Luntz plays Obama’s ad attacking McCain on the “seven houses” issue. Nobody much likes it; the meters stay below 50 for both Republican and Democratic leaners. After that comes McCain’s response ad, the one featuring Tony Rezko. Republican meters shoot up to 80, while the Democratic meters climb slightly above 50. Asked later, people think Obama’s attack ad was good, but the Rezko response raised new questions. “For Barack to get money from someone else — and who knows where he got that money to get his house?” one woman asks. In general, says another woman, in McCain’s ads, “the issues were a little more clear.”

After a few more questions, everybody goes home. In the end, the striking thing about the undecideds is the problem they’re having translating their dislike of President Bush and the Republican party into a vote for Barack Obama. They’re simply not there, at least not yet. The presence of McCain seems to have given them just enough reason to grant him an exemption from their deep unhappiness with the GOP. If Obama instilled more confidence, it would be no contest. But for now, it couldn’t be closer.k to the federal government.”cCain.

Elle

“..the number-one concern, which made it onto the lists of 17 people, is: “Ending wasteful Washington spending and balancing the federal government,”” – sounds like trouble for Obama -Annenberg Challenge – all that money spent and nothing to show for it.

It failed – may be incompetence, maybe too ideologically driven, may be … but probably explains why Kurtz has been denied access to those Annenberg Challenge records.
Zee

Um, William….less posting of entire articles please and more SOURCING, such as providing a link. It’s quite basic. You’re hijacking someone’s copywritten material without crediting them. Who published this?

Zee

I suppose that should be copyrighted material.

harvey

First, Hillary lost because Dean&CO gamed the democratic party. Obama lost because of his past history and his campaign based on racist tactics. The democratic party lost because all the elite want to be top dog and Howard Dean won that contest. America lost because we will have another Republican President for at least another four years and by the time 2012 rolles around there will be another popular newcomer on the block and the Clintons will have found their places in the history books. And the democratic party will be four years older and still just as dumb as they were four years earlier.

bmc

Yeah, I think you’ve made a fair point. People have to consider that even if McCain wins, it isn’t necessarily so that Hillary Clinton would have a clear shot at the White House in 2012. That is why Hillary Clinton is resolved to encouraging people to support Obama and the Democratic Party.

I personally cannot do so, because I remember 2000 and the disenfranchisement, Bush v. Gore and what all of it has meant to our country.

So, I’m resolved to being independent now, and voting independent in this presidential election. I feel sad about it, but basically I was tossed under the bus by the “new democratic party” of Donna Brazile and Howard Dean. So, what are you gonna do?

When you’ve been abandoned, the best thing to do is move on, live according to the creed that “living well is the best revenge.” That’s what I’m doing. I’m moving on from the Democratic Party.

harvey

I made that “independent” decision about one year ago. It cuts both ways, I am through with the democratic party because they are through with me me. LOL! How can anyone remain married if the other half wants a divorce? All I can say now is good riddance and time to move on.

Zee

Well, then you two ex-Dems go right ahead and move on. To Free Republic, maybe?

If you’re not part of the solution to rescuing the Dem party then you have two choices: become a rethuglican or start the 1,007th “new third” party.

Talk about dead ends. I’m more into an overhaul of the Dem party.

The worst thing about Obama besides the fact that he hijacked the system was how he destroyed the Dem party at a time when it could’ve emerged as a means of much-needed solutions for our country.

Zee

In fact, plans are already laid to destroy caucuses.

I’m kind of surprised at the number of hand-wringers here who have forgotten this. Bill Nelson, Dem Senator from Florida, has already written legislation to overhaul the primary system and make the entire US one person, one vote.

Zee

As far as the divorce metaphor, think of the party as a HOUSE.

Do you want the courts to award the house and property to the abusive husband?

Hell, Obama has already moved HQ to Chicago. He’s kidnapped our kids!!!

It’s OUR HOUSE. Why the hell should we leave? We should get the car, the dog, the house and custody of the kids.

Kick the bastards out and make THEM pay.

bmc

Zee, I get your point about staying to fight. Just because I say I’ve “moved on” from the Democratic Party doesn’t mean I’m not going to fight to reform the party.

But, you’re not reforming your party if you choose to collude in their disenfranchisement this time. If Obama wins, their disenfranchisement and their caucus system will NEVER be reformed, no matter WHAT they say they’ll do. Why? Because they will have WON using corruption, disenfranchisement and criminal election fraud.

So, vote for the party? No way. I’m not voting for either party this time. Both are equally corrupt in my opinion. I’m voting for the Green Party this time, because my vote is my voice.

And, I want my voice to say: I’m not going to support any party that disenfranchises me.

socalannie

There will be so much smut coming out about Obama in the next few weeks, that the decent people (yes, he does have supporters who are nice deluded people and not obots) who support him will realize there was just no way he could ever have been elected and that his nom. was a mistake. The obot contingent will probably always hate Hillary & so will a lot of republicans. Everyone in the middle will judge her in 2012 based on her campaign, who her opponent is, etc. I don’t think we’re doing her any harm. The injustices of this election season must be given full scrutiny, if there is ever going to be any changes made.
barrybarrybad

You nailed it here:

(An imaginary column in late 2009: “While it is true that Barack Obama still couldn’t have garnered enough electoral votes, had Mrs. Clinton been able to get her supporters to stick with the Democratic party, Mrs. Clinton’s prospects for 2012 would be far brighter. But her political future is forever tainted by her embittered supporters’ noisy exodus to the Republican candidate, without properly vetting him against their own supposed Democratic party principles.”)

This has been done already with the coverage of the convention. I almost puked as I watched MSNBC this morning, and the theme was “the Clintons must and will help Obama and will be blamed if he loses.” Mull that one: the Clintons are expected (and I am certain they will) to do everything possible for Obama with no reward if Americans continue to see his as the inexperienced, unqualified candidate he always was. Isn’t that special.
bmc

Yeah, but I noticed you didn’t include the option of a column on Obama’s winning strategy. I think everyone should at least consider that Obama might win the election–whether or not you want to think about that possibility.

I’m a little concerned about Clinton supporters who completely dismiss the possibility that Obama could win the election. Yes, the polls. But, this race was always going to be close. Yes, could be a McGovern all over again. But, not this year, I don’t think. Yes, 30% of Clinton supporters say they will not vote for Obama; but yes, some of them will change their minds over the course of the next 2 months.

Of course, I am prepared for that possibility because I like to be honest even with myself. This country is hugely ready to rid itself of the Republican Party. The voters want something different. Democratic party identification has been steadily climbing. Most Democrats will ultimately make the choice based on media coverage, and are not partisans like people who are political junkies.

Just sayin’

harvey

Democratic party is now so dysfunctional that by 2012 it may appear on the endangered species list.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

“you didn’t include the option of a column on Obama’s winning strategy.”

Unless you have been in a coma you would know that there is no shortage of Pro Obama columns.

Pick up any newspaper, or tune into any of the networks. Even Fox has had positive moments for Zero Boy.

We all come here to stay away from the filth, not add to it.

Zee

The McCain attack ads are so effective even Fox is saying they are going “too far” in dragging the half-brother in. The media wants a horse race…otherwise people will tune out.

Obama has no chance of winning.

Hope Floats

Well, Obama wants a global anti-poverty tax. Seems we should all be his half-brother’s keeper while he lives in a big mansion. That is an issue.

Monet

I live in a state that has a tendency to go blue because of one metropolitan area. The rest of the state is red, they vote straight Republican based on national security, guns and abortion. I live in the Republican stronghold of the state. This state is a swing state and currently, the analysts have it going red in November.

In 2000, there wasn’t one Gore sign or bumper sticker within a 100 miles. In 2004, the residents of this area were so fed up with Bush, there were as many Kerry signs and bumper stickers as there were Bush. I was shocked at the number of people who were voting Kerry not because they supported his ideology or the Democratic party but as a vote against Bush.

This year, in my area, Obama isn’t even a blimp on the radar. The only way I see him winning in November is if Rove is rigging another election. It may happen, I never thought Bush would win one term, let alone two.

If Obama wins in November, it’s not because Republicans and independents flocked to the voting booths to punch a chad for Obama because they’re fed up with the Republican party. It will be because of a third election in a row with suspicious vote tallying. The country as a whole are disgusted with the Bush administration, but not enough so that a significant percentage of Republicans are going to punish their party by voting for Obama. They just want Bush gone and are happy enough to vote for McCain.

That leaves the exiled Democrats to break the deadlock and give McCain the electoral votes he needs to win. The last two elections have been lost by a million votes. The polls today are indicating 27 to 30% of registered Democrats are planning to vote for McCain and the number is up from 16% in June. That’s approximately six million voters who voted for Kerry in 2004. McCain’s going to have to make a major blunder to lose this election.

Zee

You make important points, Monet, but leave out one factor, and it’s one I hope SusanUnPC notes.

The only way election-rigging works is if the media has some narrative to explain the discrepancy. It doesn’t matter how thin the narrative is, but they have to have some explanation for the variance from reality.

That is why PUMAs and NODEALers must be vocal and must show up in the polls.

We have to interrupt the Rove narrative and become our own narrative. One too large to discount. Already, they are trying to ridicule our numbers. You see the trolls talking points, making fun of the “fifty” PUMAs, etc. And that blowhard on TV trying to tell Darragh she claimed to have raised $6 million in order to downplay what her pac did raise.

They do this both to try to dampen the movement but also because they can’t afford to have reality trump their narrative if somehow the fix is in for Obama to win the GE.

Monet

“They do this both to try to dampen the movement but also because they can’t afford to have reality trump their narrative if somehow the fix is in for Obama to win the GE.”

Zee, I agree.

I’m not a media or marketing expert, I have no idea how we make it clear that are numbers are large and we aren’t bitter, crazy, emotional nuts. But so far, the media is displaying us as a few nuts without any brain cells. They’re as worried about us as the Obama camp is. McCain seems to be the only one who has realized just how powerful we are and that we are mainstream America. We are the people who were lumped into the label of soccer moms who voted for President Clinton in the 90′s. The reality is the majority of us weren’t soccer moms then and we aren’t bitter women now refusing to get with the party line. We’re mainstream America comprising both genders, all ethnic and religious groups, vary greatly on the political spectrum and may or may not have ever raised children who played soccer and are fed up with corrupt self-interest factions within both parties.

Maybe we’re going to have to start filing lawsuit after lawsuit against the DNC before we’re taken seriously.

HARP

While I understand Susan`s stance, I believe it is flawed. If we do not stand up for democracy now, Hillary may not have a chance to run in 2012. I`m sorry but my basic rights and freedoms are more important than any politicians ambition. Even Hillary`s.

harvey

HARP -That’s it in a nutshell. This is not an american idol contest. it’s supposed to be what is best for the entire nation and by extension maybe the entire world.

roseeriter

I’m watching cspan with a meeting with Jessee Jackson Jr and Smily Travis et al and JJ JR is a smug son of a ..He said Hillary and Bill MUST show absolute LOYALTY to Obama. This is more than just the Selection of Barack- This is Payback time. The Dem party has been hi-jacked by many different factions. He even spoke down to an older white woman who asked about the terrible treatment of Hillary and basically it was implied that the bigger picture was more important!

YIKES!!!!

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

JJ jr is right. The bigger picture is more important.

And, that big picture is DO NOT ELECT AN INCOMPETENT AND INEXPERIENCED PRESIDENT.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

As Obama likes to say, “We are electing a President of the United States of AMERICA.”

This is not the United States of a small faction of the Democratic Party.

Pay Back Time? So the Blacks can pound some pay back on the people that had nothing to do with their slavery?

That’s what Obama’s whole candidacy boils down to for the majority of those supporting him. PAY BACK TIME for the psychotic thugs who want to dish it out and the guilty and masochistic that are compelled to take it.

That is a whole new way to choose a President. Obama did bring Change after all.

http://chriss chris

How true. Those of us here today had nothing to do with slavery. And the Civil War was fought and won to remove slavery from the American culture. Our ancestors paid for it already. Look at the causalties from both sides of that war. Nothing will ever be enough payment for the lives of slaves or the lives of brave American citizens to free them and preserve our United States. It provided the opportunities we all enjoy today no matter what race we are. Nothing is ever perfect but I for one think this country citizens have tried to help all of it’s people live free and have the choices for the pursuit of happiness. There have been some awful times and bad leadership over the years (against our Native Americans for one), but America has shown compassion and courage when faced with injustices. We are free. Let’s hope that doesn’t change now with the disasterous scenario of an Obama presidency. Your vote will decide the issue so vote with a thoughtfulness and intelligence of the people who want the most important job in the world. OB and the deluded DNC leaders cannot be allowed to prevail here.

Zee

Oh, I tried to watch that but the SMUGNESS of all the menz (no women on the panel) made me too sick to my stomach.

Shiloh

What are Hillary’s prospects if Obama wins? Frankly, I think she is a shoe-in for 2012 because she is not alienating the black vote by pressing a challenge and because he will lose badly because he is a flawed candidate. Down the road the headlines might be more like “Hillary Tried To Tell Democrats But They Wouldn’t Listen.” And when all is said and done, country first, and I would prefer McCain to Obama.

gmanedit

If Obama wins, she’s out. Look how they’ve threatened her supporters. There won’t be enough Clintonites left in the party to support a run.

Hope Floats

The DNC is already missing the money and volunteers. That might be incentive to bring Hillary back in 2012 or support another rising star. Hillary was the best of her generation. I have a feeling it will be a while until you see another woman like her run for President, if she doesn’t run again.

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/ jjmtacoma

Yes, they may blame Hillary for not getting her supporters in line. That would be the icing on the cake of bad choices made by the DNC and punditry – in my view.

They can continue to not count on us for support OR they can listen to our voices in the process. The choice is theirs.

If they want to keep putting a foot to Hillary’s head and not consider that many of us feel the bottom of that shoe – well, that is their choice too.

I OWN MY VOTE and it will coerced away from me. Stay the course and stay strong.

Also, for what it is worth, the truth of this farce will come out to mainstream and the voters who were just watching the news will not be happy to find out they were had.
Pam

I CANNOT vote for Obama. It is against my principals regarding to fairness, equality, respect, and dignity.

The DNC and all its minions have forced my vote. Their flagrant disregard for all the above while CLAIMING to be the party for all the above, reinforces my decision.

I will not waste a vote for an Independent, nor waste a write in vote for Hillary that won’t count.

The DNC turned it’s back on us. They screwed us over. If some one cheats me, I don’t become their friend and vote for them because they ask me to.

They will have to earn my vote. And they haven’t.

bmc

Exquisitely said, Pam. I agree completely. They’re asking me to squelch all of my values and become a complete hypocrite. I was outraged by the disenfranchisement in 2000; yet, they are demanding I collude in the same disenfranchisement in 2008.

It’s a breathtaking demand, and I’m just not acquiescing to it, no matter what. This time, thanks to their arrogance, I actually am voting my principles instead of my party. I’m voting for the Green Party nominee.

scorbs

If Obama loses, it’s because he didn’t “bond” with the traditional groups that decide elections in this country, and that’s middle America. Clinton supporters are a subgroup, a sliver of that, believe it or not. An Obama loss is his own fault. He didn’t connect with the average voter.

The NQ columnist who said the Obama campaign is all about him, not the average voter, is right on.

olivia1998

To me it’s not that he doesn’t connect or he hasn’t come to Hillery supporters for me it’s because he is not up to the job and he is a thug. Do you really think this man who has done the things he has done to get were he is will allow changes to be made to the caucuses, care about average Americans. Liston to what MSNBC is saying. It’s UP TO Hillery to get Obama elected!!!!
My G-d how crazy is that. It is time to put our country first. There is a marketing direction going in Denver to change American forever. Eyes wide open.

Elle

Obama lost because he didn’t have the finesse to unite his party behind him. It wasn’t his job, he maintained.
http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

With the mild attack ads out already and their affect on people, when it becomes real nasty on attack ads, which will come starting friday, Obama will be his own worst enemy, because we will be reminded daily if not hourly of:

Obama sitting in Rev Wright’s church for 20 yrs

Obama having a 20 year relationship with terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn

Obama having no experience

Obama and his Palistinian friends

Obama and his jailed friend Rezko

Obama and his mental breakdowns or proper term Pathological lies

So at the end of the day, even Hillary begging people to vote for Obama will be useless because not only will the truth about Obama turn off many Democrats, Republicans will be out in force to be sure Obama never sees inside the Oval Office and unfortunately, as history has proven, there are more GOP than Democrats in the USA.
Joe Lang

Barack lost because a bunch of immature dingbats couldn’t face the fact that their candidate botched her campaign and blew it, and that he ran a better one. Unable to come to terms with the idea that they might not get everything they want, they, instead decide to sit in a corner and throw a fit, or, even vote for the other guy.

You keep talking about how everyone will blame you if Obama loses, as though that is not a valid thought. Let’s examine that.

1. A large segment of (supposedly) Democratic voters decide that, because their candidate did not win, they don’t want to play.

2. A number of them decide that they will throw their vote THE OTHER WAY.

3. Obama loses a narrowly contested election.

So, will you be blamed? Not only yes, but Hell, yes!

You have two choices, neither of which you have exhibited much in the way of ability to carry out.

1. Grow up.

2. Form your own party that is NOT based on denying the election to Obama, but is based on bringing answers to the American people to the problems that they deal with today. This, by the way, will require that you complete Choice No. 1.

Ferdberfle

You have two choices, neither of which you have exhibited much in the way of ability to carry out.

1. Grow up.

2. Form your own party that is NOT based on denying the election to Obama, but is based on bringing answers to the American people to the problems that they deal with today. This, by the way, will require that you complete Choice No. 1.

Obama is not the democratic party and judging from the content of your post, you’re no democrat. Those who are in dire need of growing up are the sycophants who, to the detriment of the party they claim to be a part of, completely ignored the votes of 18 million, which is approximately the same number as voted for the junior Senator.

After November, it is the Obama supporters that will need to form their very own party–of the one, by the one, and for the one.
wodiej

You’re a sexist pig. Immature dingbats? Sit in a corner and throw a fit? Obama stole the primary or have you been too busy trying to figure out sexist things to say about women. The rest of your post is just stupid. Leave.

Lorey

Hey I agree with you. Where has he been all this time, in Cloud Nine?
Joe Lang

I’ve tried many times to engage Clinton supporters in a thoughtful dialogue on why they believe what they believe. They don’t want to do it. The only thing that gets any kind of response is sarcasm. So, here’s your chance to prove that you are mature, since you have seen fit to respond.

First, what makes you think that Senator Obama stole the election? This is not sarcasm, I seriously want to know how you see it this way.

In what way was coverage of Senator Clinton sexist? I did not see it and would like to know where you saw it.

We can start there for a couple of issues. I have opinions on all of this I would like to have a discussion with SOMEONE who is marginally ready to discuss their views, rather than simply shut someone down, call them names, remove their post or whatever.

If you’re serious about what you believe, let’s talk about it.

harvey

People at this site ARE GROWNUPS that is one of the reasons we haven’t fell for the empty “hope/change” rap concert style campaign Obama has engaged in. It’s like all his followers are still awaiting the Publishers Clearing House guy to show up at their front door.
Dr. Kate

sorry troll. Obama is ineligible to be POTUS.

And that is why he lost: dual citizenship; failure to change his name legally; naturalized citizen

and he lied about it all the way through the campaign.

Barky will be disqualified on a technicality. Oh well, what goes around comes around.

It is not HRC’s fault that Barky lied about his entire background and is foreign national attempting to become POTUS. That is serious.

He will be in jail soon.

Joe Lang

Please provide proof. Such accusations can be made by anyone without anything to back it up. Prove what you are saying and we’ll talk.

Karma

Barack will lose because of the content of his character. He chose to subvert democracy repeatedly, in every election he has entered.

I will not vote for a man who doesn’t honor the right to vote. That is a slippery slope I won’t travel with you Joe. Because I take my civic duty seriously and under my watch/vote the Constitution will not be threatened by such a man.

It isn’t my fault he ran with dogs and got fleas.

So it is time you grew up and dealt with it.

Joe Lang

Okay, here’s why I voted for Obama.

1. He ran a completely different kind of campaign than I’ve ever seen before, and I’ve seen them all from Humphrey to today. He did not engage in the attack dog politics that people have become so inurred to. He told people that his opponent was a good candidate, that she had good ideas and that she had given good service. He kept his points to the issues, and did not engage in personal attacks.

2. When the Reverend Wright controversy came up, he did not hide from it. Instead, with his candidacy on the line, with his job on the line, he stood up and said that he couldn’t deny the man who was like family to him. How many candidates engaged in a political race have we seen with that kind of honesty and courage? Not many.

3. His discussion on race, indeed, any discussion, is inclusive of all people, regardless of race, creed or religion.

4. His experience at reaching across the aisle to work with disparate groups to come up with solutions that work for all.

5. His judgement in recognizing that attacking Iraq was a really really stupid idea.

He was consistently respectful of Senator Clinton as his opponent and refused to bash her when given opportunities.

That’s why I voted for Obama. The reason I didn’t vote for Senator Clinton was that she was entrenched in the old attack dog style politics that she grew up with. She took every opportunity to belittle and distract people from the issues and focus on non-issue items.

She blatantly lied about Bosnia.

She went back on her written word and made the Michigan and Florida votes an issue, which she verbally and in written form swore that she would not.

She simply ran a bad campaign, turned people off by virtue of it and lost the race on her own merits. Not because she’s a woman, not because she’s a Clinton, but because she didn’t do a very good job. That’s it.

So, there you go. Now, if you have different points of view about those things and want to discuss them like an adult, please do.

If you do, then I won’t call you dingbat. In return, you don’t have to call me Obamabot. How about that? The concept that we could really exchange ideas. Novel, huh?

Northwest rain

Thanks for showing up you digbat Obamabot nit wit.

YOU Obamabot cult members is exactly why Soetoro will lose.

The second half of the Primary season people were really getting to “know” Obama and the voters by a huge majority did NOT like what they saw.

In the caucus states it is the Obamabot bullying that will lose it for Obama.

Keep on showing up and acting like deranged cult members of the freak show called Obama.

The GOP will expose Obama.

Obama will lose — Obamabot keep up your good work!! Nice job.

Joe Lang

There was so much researched and valid information in that post that I swear, I’ve simply got the vapors.

PewL

Well like Geraldine Ferraro said on Fox last week,She will vote Country over Party..
Sassy

Family survey:
Of 38 close family members, 31 going McCain, 3 not voting and 4 too young to vote.
We were told to take a hike, and we will comply!
We cast our LAST democratic ballot for the superior candidate, and want nothing to do with the Obama, Jackson, Sharpton party!

wodiej

your family has sense. Most of mine doesn’t vote. My Mom is a staunch Republican.

fred

roseeriter
you’re absolute right it’s payback time, what i can understand for the life of me why would white folks vote for someone who hates them. Are they so guilt stricken their willing to be a party in their own demise?.
Also to any “so called Hillary supporters” even toying with the idea of voting Obama knowing the Obama/Michelle has nothing but disdain for Hillary and Bill Clinton, and would make senator Clinton stay in the senate a nightmare; I say to you, How do you justify wanting to put Hillary in that position at the beck and call of her haters by considering to vote for Obama. Obama/Michelle wouldn’t let one piece of legislation pass with Hilary’s name on it.
yttik

Before anybody writes in Hillary’s name, check the rules in your state! In Washington I’m pretty sure you cannot vote for a candidate who lost the primary in the general election. Or rather, a vote for Hillary would be counted as a vote for the nominee.

harvey

Not to worry. I don’t think the Republicans will have a place to write Hillary’s name in.
http://! Buzz Latte

That’s correct for WA State.

Stand tall and vote for McCain. It’s the one way to keep the Obamanation from winning!

HARP

Hillary is in a tough spot, but I worry that if she dosen`t start sticking up for herself soon she will be damaged for 2012.
Lorey

I agree 100% Obama should never be trusted. He is a clever guy that used the race card in his favor but at the same time he has demonstrated that he is a LIAR and a flip flopper that will say and do anything to get elected. He will throw anyone under the bus. He is the master of emptiness. We must not commit the mistake of electing this man as President unless we have a death wish and want to see our country destroyed or controlled by other nations.
http://IthinkIfeel... Tricia Spiegel

It is not too early to place the blame where it belongs–and that is not on Obama. He is a guy who came up through the dirty Chicago Combine with a crafty campaign staff (also from Chicago) and wants to be President. Can’t blame a guy for trying.

The problem is the DNC and our Democratic leadership for weaning this guy into a position to actually be president.

The DNC will be 100% to blame for giving sexism a pass, for allowing that ridiculous and anacronistic caucus system to continue, and for pushing a man who is all wrong for what America needs now on us.
Lorey

If by any chance Obama is still the DNC candidate by November he will lose, have no doubt about it and Hillary shall rise again in 2012.

I believe that he could be disqualified at some point due to the citizenship issue.

We must keep in mind Hillary can’t afford the luxury of going against the party because if she does she would have to run as an independent. No can do. She knows what she is doing.
JUST MAD NOW

OMG..MSNBC saying Denver now has a “secret” jail beside Gitmo..aparently due to “threats”…hmmmm..can anyone say Gastapo?..Crist what is O bambi causing this country to come to?..SCREW HIM..McCain if not Hillary!
pam

What I find ironic about all this, is that if bho was the one being vetted for VP, HE WOULD NOT GET THE JOB. He has too much baggage, and would never be selected…..

DawnelleNOTVOTING4it

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect example!!!!

PUMA W00T!!!
barrybarrybad

Good God, you are dead on here. He couldn’t duck the citizenship issue if he were vetted as the Veep candidate, couldn’t spin away the cocaine abuse, ad nauseum. The party has a plethora of apologies to make.

Ohio Bill

Just so we are clear who you all are supporting..

Ohio Bill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o&NR=1

sjc-tx

So what is your point Ohio Bill??? Is the person in the audience running for office?

And to inform your wee mind, Hillary isn’t on the ticket. And McCains feelings about her are irrevilant.

So please tell me… WHAT is your point?

Hope Floats

He doesn’t even get the point. We all know there are some really mean people among the Republican base. It turns out they’re even nastier among the Democrats. Hell, “bitch” is sweet talk compared to what I’ve red on The Orange Sewer. But McCain went on to say that he respects Hillary Clinton and go into detail about polls and strategy. The men in the room had a little fun with the outburst, too. One guy said, “I thought she was talking about my ex wife.” It was a valid point about projection and how a nonspecific pejorative is inappropriate sometimes. But even Terry Mcauliffe said he thought Hillary’s campaign song should have been Elton John’s “The Bitch Is Back.” Hillary’s tough.

Karma

Just so we are clear on who YOU are supporting.

McCain has still treated Hillary and her supporters with more respect than Obama has.

Even if you try and double down with the Janet Reno joke.

VMorris

1. My decision to vote for McCain has nothing to do with Hillary.

2. If BO loses, Hillary will be blamed regardless.

3. If BO wins, he and his minions will bask in the notion that they were able to do it without Hillary.

4. Regardless of what Hillary supporters do, the New Democrats will continue to Crap on the Clintons (it s their 2nd favorite pastime, just below fawning all over His Royal Highness and kissing his HRH’s ass.)

5. Hillary has proven again and again that she can take care of herself in the harshest circumstances.

6. I am at the age where I don’t care what anyone thinks of me. I don’t care what names they call me. Names are just words. Sticks and stones, ya know.

The last 2 POTUS elections, my son, his wife and I voted Democratic. This year, we are all going to vote for John McCain.

Message to the BO fanatics: There are some Hillary supporters who are now ex-Democrats who will never vote for BO.

So, get over it…

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

“My decision to vote for McCain has nothing to do with Hillary.”

Overwhelmingly, we will not vote for Obama because of Obama. Not because of what Hillary IS, but because of What Obama ISN’T.

The Obots don’t get it, and never will.
Zee

Howard Dean will have to OWN responsibility for all the Dems who are switching to Independent.

There is a census in 2010 and districts will be redrawn and Dems lose ground all because of this insanity.

That is something the Superdels ought to put in their Hopium Bongs and toke on.

karen for Clinton

It doesn’t go by the census. The census doesn’t ask political party. It goes by the prior election.

This year is based on what happened in ’04.

Sassy

I heard this morning that Hillary is releasing all her delegates after a reception on Wednesday.
What more do the Cintons need to do to satisfy the “O” cult?
Enough already!
The Obama camp needs to put up or shut up!

Karma

Yup…and get this.

Hillary and RFKJr was trying to make the case for Obama to the UFW. You know the organization where he stole his slogan from.

The news was still smearing Clinton that she has to work hard for Obama at the Convention. Ignoring the fact she was trying to hand millions of her supporters over to him BEFORE the Convention.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_10292395

http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/817657.html

Karma

oops….’were’ trying to make the case

Pam

I really don’t think I have to worry about hurting Hillary just because I don’t vote for Obama. I think Obama will implode on his own doings, his own past relationships, and his own mistakes.

He will sink himself.

All they need me to really do right now, is get behind the party, and I feel exactly like PewL & Geraldine Ferraro, “Country over Party”.
The DNC didn’t do what was best for the country, because if they would have, they would not have picked someone who’d gone to Rev. Wrights church, someone who grew up around Ayers, someone who was sympathetic Farrakhan, someone who has questionable dealings with Rezko, someone who can’t produce a real birth certificate, someone who doesn’t lie, (need I go on????)

Pam

I meant “DOES LIE”

sjc-tx

Our vote and its consequence is OUR own. We are not responsible to follow Hillary’s “recommendation”. She WOULDN’T want us to. She, more than anyone, would WANT us to vote our OWN vote. We are not cult troons that will be intimidated or threatened. Our support or not for the plastic one will NOT in anyway have reflection on HER chances in 2012 or whatever. No disrespect intended but I am SICK of hearing that song and dance! My vote is for the PRESENT and it’s IMMEDIATE effect. I’ll deal with the future, when it gets here.

I have been a democratic party member since 1971. I don;t agree with much of McCain’s agenda. But I do respect the man for his PROVEN and DISPLAYED sense of duty, right & wrong, and HUMILITY.

Wisdom comes with experience and age…

I will not vote for ANYONE who was dishonestly and undemocratically put in place… it does not matter one iota who, what, or how they are.

Our “silence” is contradictory to the principles we profess as Americans.
http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

The only blame that will be cast upon Hillary after Nov 4th is why she did not expose Obama when she had the chance during the primary.

Once the GOP expose Obama’s truths, which there are plenty, and nothing that Obama’s camp can dispute, the public glued to MSM as the only source of info will demand to know why they were not made aware during the Primary by Hillary of this guy.

All you need do is check out Opera’s dwindling numbers to know that those who support Obama while not exposing his truths.

http://obamafact.blogspot.com/ Mel

remember something, people hate to be made fools of and they blame always the people who should know and do not tell them what fools they are making of themselves, the american way!

Ohio Bill

Just so we are clear who you all are supporting..

Kevin

Yes we are.
Are you?

Are you familiar with the Annenburg Challenge?
The beliefs of BHO’s very close associate William Ayers?
Are you familiar with the Grove Parc housing project?
The involvement of BHO and his buddy Rezko in that failed project?
Dr. Kate

yawn. what is your point, obot boy?

I’m comfortable with my choice and it is NOT Obama/Soetoro.

Soetoro is a foreign national attempting to lie his way into the White HOuse.

Barky’s career is over, and it will be very sweet when he wins just one state–delaware.

sjc-tx

Many obama supporters are of the SAME mind-set of the folks that put Bush in office 2 terms… That is one of DENIAL.

DENIAL
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

We are not leaving the Democratic Party.

The Party has left us.

“To thine own self be true” Shakespeare

Zaggs

You didn’t get left. You got slapped in the face, kicked in the privates and thrown from the moving train.

Zaggs

If its left up to the media expect most to follow the Obama meme and say “America wasn’t ready for a black president”, when in truth its we’re not ready for a complete idiot.
There needs to be a push for McCain/Clinton. There is no greater change then that (not to mention more Maverick). For at least one cycle we might actually be done with worrying about someone’s base supporting them and work with actual voters! McCain and Clinton have common points (free trade, environment, immigration, security,etc). Sure Clinton will not get entire policy areas to do what she wants, but I’d bet she get some lee-way in certain areas (i.e environment).
Quite frankly I think there are life long democrats who feel they must support Obama and would not consider McCain. But with Hillary on the ticket a center coalition of voters would be formed and deliver damn near every state to the ticket.
sandy gonzo

It is ALWAYS HILLARY’S FAULT. it is the mantra of the adolsent *61. Hillary did it mommy, it was all Hillary’s fault.
Daddy, why did you leave me?
Postmaster

Well, this is the way I see, if the Democrats hold it against Hillary because some of her supporters will vote McCain, they can just DAMN WELL GET OVER IT.
http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

Here’s what I don’t get: If Obama is elected in November… and his presidency turns out to be an unmitigated disaster, as everyone here thinks… then why do you all presume he’ll be renominated in 2012?

Why does the PUMA principle presuppose that if Obama’s elected, he’s in for eight years? Couldn’t Hillary just as easily run in 2012 — as Ted Kennedy did in 1980 — to rescue America from the screwed-up Obama Administration?

Perhaps y’all don’t really believe he’d be such a disaster. And that’s why you’re trying so desperately hard to destroy him… because otherwise he’s in for two terms.

And perhaps y’all ought to be thinking about the geopolitical havoc that can be wreaked during four years of a McCain Administration.

Kal

No Dem. who has lost the national election has ever stood a chance at being nominated a second time. Just doesn’t happen.

But unless the DNC takeover can be sorted out, even if BO were elected (I don’t think he can be), it would be hard for anyone to deny him the chance to run again anyway, because that would be soooo racist. I mean, you know it will be soooo racist if the US population feels that he has messed up!

Best scenario: If BO steals this thing, he will lose, and Hillary will run in 2012.

And win. By a landslide.
Dr. Kate

ha ha ha. Obama is ineligible to be president.

he is a kid trying to lie is way into an adult’s profession.

if he is elected in 2008, he will be forced to resign before his term is over. That’s why he introduced Biden as “the next president of the US”.

Biden should have called barky “captain underpants” instead of Barack America.

the democratic party will be just one of the multiple parties by 2012 (thanks Brazile and Dean), Clinton will win by a landslide as obots are jailed for their thuggery, as obots finally get jobs, and as the great orange satan and all those other sites fall into the sewer from which they emerged.

get over it, bot, your guy is a loser. And its his own fault, and yours too, for drinking so much koolaid you can’t see anything.
an observer

“geopolitical havoc”? ……….. Explain the difference between that and what I can expect from Zbigniew Brzezinski and George Soros, Obama’s handlers?

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

AMEN BRO!
http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

No “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,” for one thing.

Hope Floats

Only you blame America leftists believe that shit, because you think like terrorists yourselves.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

and his presidency turns out to be an unmitigated disaster…… Hillary just as easily run in 2012 — as Ted Kennedy did in 1980 — to rescue America from the screwed-up Obama Administration?….

If you truly think that Ted Kennedy was successful in 1980, you are the only one one this planet that thinks so.

Your dopey headed logic explains how you can be so in lust with the ZERO.

We do not need to wait until 2012 to know what kind of a team O’boy will bring to the executive office. His history is filled with bad choices, un-American choices.

Keep smokin that Hopium and Crack. It’s the only way O’boy makes sense.

I invite you to watch this video in your hopium smoke filled room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cNtH1mULo

http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

So then… you believe that if Barack Obama is elected, he’ll obviously get a second term?

You have a lot of confidence in him.

Hope Floats

You have to be prepared for the worst. I think he would be a disaster for the country for one term, and he would make it hard for any Democrat to get elected let alone another black man.

bert

Barak Obama lost because the DNC refused to properly vet him and pushed an inexperienced candidate with dozens of skeltons in his closet on an unsuspecting party and country.
vi

Yep always Hillarys fault, hill why were’nt you around when I was younger to pick my friends, Nobama ever one voice one vote Nobama. McCain 2008 character , integrity, experience , He has a proven voting rfecord, Country before Party, I will not help elect this wind bag by not voting, writting in, or voting third party , one of those is a vote to elect him into office..
Karma

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/west_answers_obamarun_as_a_man.html

“In response to Obama’s claim that Republicans will use race to stoke fear, Lt. Col Allen West, candidate for Congress in Florida’s 22 District issued this release:

“My advice to Senator Obama is to run as a Man and Leader, and the American people will evaluate you as such, not as a victim. This is a Presidential race, based solely on a capacity to lead the United States of America. It is not about skin tone…however, perhaps we should come to expect these immature statements.

It also seems rather humorous that the Presidential candidate who was supposed to be such a “uniter” and transcend race is the one talking about it the most. If Senator Obama was confident in his abilities and character, he would not need to create a crutch for failure. Senator Obama has just tipped his hand, any criticism of him and his policies will be directly attributed to racism. I congratulate Senator Obama for taking race relations in America back some 30 years.” ”

In response to the continuous onslaught of blame against Hillary. It isn’t her job to drag his sorry ass across the finish line. It is HIS job to sell himself to every American….Hillary supporters included.

To paraphrase the Col. Sexism is not a better card to play as an excuse for failure while making the case for Leader of the Free World.

Obama needs to start taking responsibility for his actions. He and his supporters and talking heads have gone out of their way to insult the true base of the Democratic party.

How many times do they have to be told? You can’t repeatedly insult and diminish voters and expect them to vote for you.

While their solution is to tell those Dems to stay home. The strategy should be to make a compelling case FOR Obama instead of the constant racial and sexist accusations.
Andrea

I believe that no matter what Hillary does now it will be hard for her to run again. But, I think for her, the biggest risk is giving up and not fighting for herself and her supporters. Unlike Obama, her supporters do not follow her like sheep, and if they feel they were thrown under the bus in any way, it will make it harder to work for her in 2012. She is NEVER going to convince the current DNC leadership and people that have always been against her, that Obama’s impending loss isn’t, in some way, her fault. She should be fighting for the American people and standing up for what is right, instead of worrying about her future chances. I want to keep faith that she has a strategy, but I becoming more and more doubtful. This follow Obama crap is going to be her achillies heel in the future, much like voting for the war was in the primaries. She will always be blamed for his loss, so why doesn’t she just try and beat him at the convention?
BTW: I will most definitely be casting my vote for John Mccain. I once had a similar worry Susan, that this support will be used against Hillary supporters, but what is the alternative? We can’t play it safe and plan for the future when so much is at stake, and no matter what we (or she) will do, the blame for anything and everything will eventually follow. I would rather go down fighting then sitting by waiting for a second chance.

http://chriss chris

Great post and what’s true is that we all only have the moment we are in. The future may not come and the past is already gone. Waiting 4 years and hoping everything will turn out how you think it might is a recipe for disappointment or worse. She has all the tools to succeed right now and she should use them. Life is all a risk anyway, but hoping for a future 4 years off is very risky for a politician.
AX10

I agree with you.
we may have to give up Hillary as POTUS just
to stop Obama. Obama is far more dangerous than
McCain will ever be. If Obama wins, he will control
the party and the country. That cannot happen!

luvtruth

dear susan: I get your drift here but really, the Obamanoids are going to THINK & SAY Hillary’s bitter old supporters sank him and/or the population is racist NO MATTER WHAT! The bottom line is the Clinton’s are brilliant political professionals who can and will rise above all this BS. Look at what they’ve already survived.
signed,
another (bitter old) seattle reader
http://! Buzz Latte

Does it matter what anyone says? We need to keep pushing for those lawsuits filed against Obama to come to fruition.

We’ve decided to give our September political money to Phillip Berg as a donation to help pursue his lawsuit regarding Obama’s citizenship.

obamacrimes.com
joe bob

Dumbest group of people ever. You engage in everything you claim to hate, very amusing stuff
http://! Buzz Latte

And you would stand for?

infanticide

higher taxes

no real solutions to the economy

misogyny

ageism

criminal behavior in a POTUS candidate re: citizenship and Rezko

Black Liberation Theology: ie “kill whitey”

lack of experience

narcissistic tendencies

support via Obama for Odinga – the candidate that let a church full of women and children be burned to death because he (Odinga) lost the election

Disrespect of laws and by-laws not only nationally, but for the DNC, too

the list goes on…

No offense, but I don’t think I like you or your candidate at all, joe bob.
Mary Kay

Yeah, but you know what, Susan, people are only going to believe that to a point. Hillary can’t “control” us or keep us loyal to the party. She doesn’t own our votes. People know that. The MSN can say what they want but people are smarter than that. On election night when McCain wins, I think people are going to figure out that Dems voted for him.
Chicago Joe

The hell with the pundits. BHO doesn’t deserve to be elected, and I, for one, cannot cast a vote for him.

He doesn’t need us, remember, Susan? So why would you cast a vote for him, ever?
Tristan

There’s going to be a MSM narrative and a supporter narrative. I know because I was raised by these people. (Who am I calling “you people”? Fanatical liberals.)

MSM:
1. Obama we was too inexperienced.
2. Obama was too “presumptuous” too fast, people said no.
3. Democratic party wasn’t united.

O-bots:
1. Amerika is racist.
2. Republican dirty tricks.
3. Clinton played the race card.
4. Unfair corporate main stream media

Do not expect the O-bots to face reality with regards to the shortcomings of their candidate. If they had the ability to face reality they would not be Obama supporters in the first place. (i.e. fairy tale.) So Hilary will be near the top of a long list of people who will be blamed that includes everyone except themselves.

BTW O-bots also believe a “progressive” candidate can win, even though their ideas are soundly rejected and they don’t have a majority. Sort of like the fundies who think they can ban abortion even though they’re just a fraction of the electorate.

In fact, populist candidates can win, but progressives can not. Hilary was actually better at populism than Obama, for example remember the six-month moratorium on foreclosures – that’s pure populism. That’s why she won OH, PA, MI, WV where that works well. I personally am very skeptical of populism, but it works.

And one more point – its Obama’s job to bring HRC supporters to the Democratic party, not hers, despite what everyone says. If millions of Democrats are switching to Independents or Republicans because they don’t like the candidate, wouldn’t the party itself be to blame? Seems obvious to me, but it won’t be to an O-bot of course. Selling a Democrat presidential candidate to a Democratic primary voter should be the easiest sale in the world. If they cant convince people like me, why do they think they can bring independents and republicans on board ship Obama?
http://N/A breeze

Quote’JohnnyAtWork’:

“Pay Back Time? So the Blacks can pound some pay back on the people that had nothing to do with their slavery?

That’s what Obama’s whole candidacy boils down to for the majority of those supporting him. PAY BACK TIME for the psychotic thugs who want to dish it out and the guilty and masochistic that are compelled to take it.”

I am glad someone brought this up. It has been evident to me where I live, for quite a while now.

I have hesitated to bring it up for obvious reasons….

THAT’S IT : Old-Fashioned BLACK POWER!!!

(I am an old crone)

But, if JJjr atal keep on talking the way they are,
people who are already suspicious will have their
thoughts confirmed.

And the BACKLASH will take place…..

Believe me, Hillary and her actions will be totally and quickly forgotten!!!
joe

post-08 chatter:

Barack Obama won because all people opposed to four more years of war, ultra-conservative judicial opponents, and ongoing threats to the right to choose helped unite the Democratic party, and bring Hillary Clinton supporters to his side.

Jane still

Yep, he did help untie the Party, you are so right

Christy

Sure, Hill supporters will be blamed some when BO loses. But people will look at other reasons, too. Namely, Rev Wright and other associations, lack of experience, and his immature, juvenile delinquent gangsta rap-listening behavior. His racist, crazed America-hating wife and the undercurrent of suspicion about BO’s disdain for America…

Racism screams will be a sure thing… But the race card is finally losing it’s punch, people are getting past it. It has become a joke, with Clinton even having to defend against racist allegations. I think if BO won, it would just empower the BS race card even more.

He has no one to blame for losing but himself. And he chose to roll the dice with Biden instead of going with Hill.

Not that I wanted Hill to be his VP (it’s an insult to her), but people say she would have made his presidency a sure thing. So, BO is rolling the dice, and there is no one to blame but himself. Everyone will see that after the dust settles.

And I totally agree, it is way past time that the media stop referring to PUMAs as simply angry Clinton supporters and look at the other reasons (cited above) that BO isn’t our man.

I know what you mean, we need to stop affiliating ourselves so much with Hill. Because she needs to not be the target of BO supporters anger over BO’s loss when she runs again.

I would like BO to explain the JayZ song incident, personally. He can’t possibly expect people to vote for someone who behaves like an angry gangsta teenager.
Nomoredem

Susan,
You do a nice job with all your articles. I have been voting for a long time. But this year if Barack Obama is the nominee, I won’t be voting that way.
I am waiting to see how all this turns out. In my state we have other options. I don’t know where you live.
This guy is awful and the reason he is being pushed and Joe Biden got chatised for it, is he is clean, very little record. They can make his expectations either high or low and if he doesn’t make they will just say it is because he is inexperienced, that is why this ot that happened.
Larry had a valid point in one of his earlier posts. I am over 45 so I remember Jimmy Carter. He accomplished very little and he gave us Ronald Reagan and 12 years of Republican rule.
Later this week after the party is over I will write Hillary one more check. I hope that as time passes we find out what really went down, so that we can see from Hillary’s side why she did what she did. She has been disrespected I feel by the party leadership and Mr. Obama. In reality I am glad that he didn’t pick her. I feel that would have made everyone’s choice a little harder.
So I hope down the line, you will continue to reason things out and maybe there will be some decision you can make other than voting for Obama.
I like so much the spash, we all own our votes. We had pledged them to Hillary, but we don’t have to follow her blindly down the road. In her heart of hearts I am not sure that both she and the Big Dawg won’t eventually leave the democratic party maybe even this year. I anticipate they will both vote for John McCain.
NoBO

Where I’m coming from is best explained in my email to my mom when she asked how I could possibly vote for McCain. Here’s some of what she wrote:

What are you thinking?? How can you possibly want to vote Republican?? For such an intelligent man, I am really surprised. Obama has many faults, but he is a Democrat. All the rumors you are listening to, and most of them are rumors, are coloring your otherwise brilliant mind. Stop and smell the roses.

I have read all the stuff you sent about Obama and I am sure some of it is true. Can you name one politician who has a perfect background. They are all a bunch of crooks, but some are worse than others. To be a successful politician you have to be aggressive and step on people. That’s a given. But Obama is very intelligent and I am sure he will surround himself with others who are also intelligent.

Here’s my response:

PUMA Politics: A PUMA’s Letter To His Mom « Logistics Monster
http://logisticsmonster.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/puma-politics-a-pumas-letter-to-his-mom/

karen for Clinton

That is one fantastic letter to your mom, glad I clicked on your link.

We are preaching to the choir but that choir grows larger everyday.

Excellent.

Andrew

I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life. I walked precincts for George McGovern before I was old enough to vote. Today I changed my registration to Independent. That is my response to Michelle Obama’s appearance tonight at the Democratic convention. A party that will applaud such a hateful, divisive extremist is welcome to have her and her self-serving lies. I volunteered for Hillary, I contributed to Hillary, and will vote for Hillary every time I get the chance. But this November, I’m voting for John McCain.

Pink Panther

Andrew,
I have also been a lifelong Democrat. My first participation in Presidential politics was starting and running the campus Students for Carter campaign.

I have participated in every Democratic Presidential election since. I protested the Iraq War, and while the pro-war/neo-cons were not friendly, they never verbally attacked or threatened me as the Obama supporters did during the primary, and continue to do because I will not support this unqualified and inexperience individual.

The new Democratic Party represents all the values I, and the traditional Democratic Party, have fought against (e.g., racism, sexism, ageism).

I can no more support the new Democratic Party than support the radical right which discriminated against minorities. The new Democratic Party now has the values and ethics of the radical right.

Racism is racism; sexism is sexism; hatred is hatred-whether coming from political radical right or political radical left.
ziggy

Do you plan to watch Michelle Obama’s speech? Or will you know tomorrow how outrageous it was without even watching it tonight?

Concerned

Hello…Does anyone know why Larry Sinclair’s site has been suspended? And where is Larry and is he safe? I am very concerned for his safety.
Jane still

Just please tell me that Sarah Palin as a VP is a joke, I hope its a joke.
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