Fear Itself

As I recall, the Dems were always asserting that Bush was leading through his marketing of fear.  I believe the Dems under Obama are doing the same now; fear of racism, fear of losing all our individual savings and assests to healthcare expenses, etc.    So, I get your point that a person doesn’t lead well if the underlying method for furthering their agenda is to create fear.  But what is your position on any of these issues?

Nail em up…have you read the Health Care law?

MUST READ:

AMERICAN CAPITALISM GONE WITHOUT A WHIMPER

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/

what a pile of left wing talking point bullshit

 While Congress spent the last year debating how to provide health insurance for the uninsured, a little-known provision slipped into the heath care law that could cost some Americans upwards of $2,000 a year.

The Class Act, otherwise known as the Community Living Assistance Services and Support Act, is the federal government’s first long-term care insurance program.

Under-reported and the under the radar of most lawmakers, the program will allow workers to have an average of roughly $150 or $240 a month, based on age and salary, automatically deducted from their paycheck to save for long-term care.

The Congressional Budget Office expects the government will collect $109 billion in premiums by 2019.

Opponents say the provision is little more than a short-term revenue fix that will eventually add to the federal deficit.
Here’s the bad part:

With employers already struggling with all the regulations being thrown at them, this one, for many, will slip through that it is “voluntary” and employees will suddenly see an additional line item of deductions from their paycheck. Me? I’ll know that my check is $150 smaller! But it will be too late —

Yep — kinda hard to read something in a non-existent bill without Divine intervention

Scheduled to go into effect in January, actual deductions could take place in 2012.

Here’s how the program will work:

— The federal government will approach employers next year about alerting workers to the proposed deduction.
And how will the “approach” be made? A visit from an IRS agent, or some obscure document that isn’t recognized for what it really is?

– The deduction will work on a sliding scale based on age. Younger workers will be charged less, older workers more. The Congressional Budget Office pegged the average monthly deduction at $146. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services put it higher, at $240.

— After a five-year vesting period, enrollees who need help bathing, eating or dressing will be eligible to take out benefits, estimated to be around $75 a day for in-home care.

“Seventy-five dollars a day in flex cash will be enough for most people who are at home to stay at home, which is where they want to be,” Firman said. “We are convinced a cash benefit is the best way for consumer to get what they want.”
And exemptions not required to pay in, but can receive the benefit are …. (you fill in the blanks)…. with the usual result, the same ones who have always paid are paying for the same ones who have never paid. So, what else is new in this bill?
While the plan’s opponents don’t question the need for long-term care, they say the federal government should not be managing it, and they believe the program will eventually add to the deficit.
This is truly the final stage of the “from cradle to grave” nanny state. In my dying days, they are even going to be sure I keep clean. How thoughtful and generous.
“This creates a whole new bureaucracy that is going to break this country,” Nunes said. “In the early years there will be money in it, but at the end of the day there won’t be enough money to cover the problems because there will be too many people in the program.”

The statute says the program is designed to be self-sustaining, with an advisory board to assure the fund remains solvent. But opponents say the fine print already tells another story. Unless modifications are made, according to a CBO analysis of the bill, “the program will add to future federal budget deficits in a large and growing fashion.”

So I would say you, nail em up, are the one not fully informed as to what we about to undertake. Maybe you should spend more time reading up on healthcare instead of watching MSNBC OR CNN.

While I’m all for having opposing viewpoints aired, this article is nothing but a pile of unsubstantiated, race-baiting garbage. No Quarter, if you want to post a critique of the Tea Party, you can do much better than this load of nonsense.

BIG THUMBS DOWN.

This is April 6 not April 1st.  If this is an April Fool’s joke you are late.

>:o

“Not surprisingly, respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped.”

Wow, what an elitist piece of nonsense. I suppose we talk funny too, maybe eat a lot of wonder bread and fried bologna?


“The Tea Party attendees who think passing universal health care will lead to death panels, fascism and Nazi death camps.”

Speaking of elitism, go ask Native Americans, some of the poorest people in the country, how they’ve enjoyed government benevolence. Or go visit a free clinic and stand in line for government run health care. Go ask some family members on medicaid about to have their loved ones unplugged how they feel about death panels.

The only people praising government benevolence are those who have never had to experience it.

what a load of garbage.
the author has no idea who the TEa party really is.
if you are mad at the government you are a member of the TEA party but you just dont know it!

Translation:

Tea Partiers are a bunch of knuckle-dragging, toothless, gun-toting, bible clutching yahoos.

I think I covered it. What say you all?

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/05/who-are-the-tea-partiers/

love the gratuitous mention of GUNS evil GUNS!
them crazy tea partiers, shootin things up again.
or NOT.

And also what a load of classism.  So the well-educated people are able to discern the situation better and not respond with fear?  I would say the educated masses are the ones that bankrolled and forced this monstrosity on us: read That One and his agenda…

I agree, Nail ‘em Up.  Fear has become the favorite and most effective weapon that both parties use to advance their own partisan purposes and aggrandizement.  The so-called “free” press has turned into nothing more than a high-priced hooker, sidling up to whoever and whatever is in the power seat.  Follow the gravy train.

Though I think there are legitimate gripes and concerns within the Tea Party movement, I do not trust the invisible hand behind the group, those that finance and influence, carefully manipulating the thrust of the movement and the escalating emotional pitch.  Some people are used willingly, others without their permission or knowledge.  Sadly, we seem to have come to a point where everything and everyone is for sale.  Even unwitting souls.

Btw, I live in part of the country where the Anti-Christ meme is taken very seriously.  Certainly not by me but by otherwise reasonable folks.  You want to talk about fear, I find that level of ignorance very unsettling. But then, we’re living in a period when an alarming number of people are waiting with baited breath for The Rapture. I drove behind a van yesterday with a bumper sticker:

Be prepared.  When The Rapture comes, this vehicle will be unoccupied. 

Wonderful!

Good piece.  I suspect it will stir a lot of discussion.  Hold on to your hat.

I have a college education (and an MD in fact). I’m not white. I was a hardcore liberal democrat up until 2004.

I support those “racist” “redneck” “teabaggers”. I love these people. And the more you malign them, the more I just might join them.

Come see about me, coward.

It is also interesting that Congress and the President and his family are exempt from the wonderful health care plan they just passed for all of us.  Hillary, onm the other hand, wanted us to be able to opt in to the wonderful health care plan they have.  None of this “okay for thee, but not for me nonsense.”

As someone who takes care of an elderly parent, I have seen first hand the way Medicare runs, and Medicare HMOs like Blue Cross 65 Plus for example.  They have their cookie cutter instructions  and protocols and follow them to the letter regardless of the realities presented in the case they are treating.  The result was nearly fatal — suffice it to say we got lucky this time.

Those who believe care will improve with this new plan when we are already stretched so thin are deluding themselves.

While I don’t have any allegiance to the Tea Party, Republicans, or Democrats, I do have strong feelings about elitist liberal hacks spreading fear and misinformation like this article does.

Nail Em Up, I don’t know who you are or why NQ published this piece of garbage, but it’s my feeling that it belongs on HuffPo or Kos, not here.

My understanding of the Tea Party is that it has no structure, no leadership, and no rules that say you can’t dress up, make signs, or whatever without somebody’s stamp of approval.  And if one or two kooks show up, or even 1 or 2% are kooks, that hardly defines the movement in general, just as this article doesn’t define NQ… thank God!

So with a major snark, I must say, “Thanks for nothing, Cheetoh.”

This entire article reeks of elitism.  The left has succeeded in becoming the biggest group of know it alls this country has ever seen and God forbid they ever listen to those from a southern state, who have more common sense in their pinkys, than the elitists have in their entire bodies. 

It is also interesting that Congress and the President and his family are exempt from the wonderful health care plan they just passed for all of us.  Hillary, on the other hand, wanted us to be able to opt in to the wonderful health care plan they have.  None of this “okay for thee, but not for me nonsense.”  
 
As someone who takes care of an elderly parent, I have seen first hand the way Medicare runs, and Medicare HMOs like Blue Cross 65 Plus for example.  They have their cookie cutter instructions  and protocols and follow them to the letter regardless of the realities presented in the case they are treating.  The result was nearly fatal — suffice it to say we got lucky this time.  
 
Those who believe care will improve with this new plan when we are already stretched so thin are deluding themselves.

It is also interesting that Congress and the President and his family are exempt from the wonderful health care plan they just passed for all of us.  Hillary, on the other hand, wanted us to be able to opt in to the wonderful health care plan they have.  None of this “okay for thee, but not for me” nonsense.    
   
As someone who takes care of an elderly parent, I have seen first hand the way Medicare runs, and Medicare HMOs like Blue Cross 65 Plus for example.  They have their cookie cutter instructions  and protocols and follow them to the letter regardless of the realities presented in the case they are treating.  The result was nearly fatal — suffice it to say we got lucky this time.    
   
Those who believe care will improve with this new plan when we are already stretched so thin are deluding themselves.

Of course the scary gun toting racist being used as an example is a black man. Only in upside down world…

It is also interesting that Congress and the President and his family are exempt from the lovely health care plan they just passed for all of us.  Hillary, on the other hand, wanted us to be able to opt in to the same health care plan Congress has.  None of this “okay for thee, but not for me” nonsense.      
     
As someone who takes care of an elderly parent, I have seen first hand the way Medicare runs, and Medicare HMOs like Blue Cross 65 Plus for example.  They have their cookie cutter instructions  and protocols and follow them to the letter regardless of the realities presented in the case they are treating.  The result was nearly fatal — suffice it to say we got lucky this time.      
     
Those who believe care will improve with this new plan when we are already stretched so thin are deluding themselves.

Hey! I’m only missing one tooth. : )

Nail Em Up,
 
My Dad is a member of the Tea Party and he’s also Democrat. I had the best folks one could possibly have and my Dads heart is as big and clear as is his gusto for membership in this movement. Don’t insult me with your take on what you feel is the impetus of these folks. They are harmless until they enter that voting booth which puts you folks into a fugue state. If we did to Obama what we did to Bush? Does Death of a President ring any marbles? Is Presidential rudeness a one way street Nail? Democrats always think we’re a majority which is one of our basic problems. We are not! I was against Bush big time, I voiced it and I demonstrated against his policies and know fluently what media weapons we pulled out and if you think Obama hasn’t blown past Bush’s deficiencies to the point of national, international and personal embarrassment? Then we have absolutely nothing politically in common. Let me just summate here Nail Em Up and say Obama hasn’t seen nothin yet. His cake is over done, we all know it and the now majority is frosting it. What is pathetic is the left fringe will try once again and again and again to put frosting on that bowl of Obama batter. A little hint, the frosting drops to the bottom of the bowl.
 
Words are cheap and I’ll be speaking along with hundreds of millions of Americans the Tea Party theme of “Stay out of my business, my home, don’t tell me how to raise my kids, what to eat, what to drive and how to live and keep your scabby hands out of my pocket and we’ll get along just fine living in harmony or not but that’s your call until it becomes mine.     
 
 
 

Here is part of your elite set……….charming aren`t they?

never mind, just go here:

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2010/04/05/democratic-women-in-the-tea-party-movement-bust-another-false-media-narrative/

“Not surprisingly, respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped.”

Uh, aren’t these ‘college degree’ folks the very same ones who voted for BO(zo)?

Seems to me like you toasted your own argument.

This author just doesn’t seem to get the anger at the government.  Just like s/he didn’t get the burqa situation.

You’re right, Craig, it was the college kids that went nuts over O. 

I’m glad you guys are all so proud of your ignorance.  Who needs an education when you can march against, whatever, and call someone a Nazi and blather about death panels and Mao etc.? Good luck with that movement.  It’ll be about as successful as the window-smashing WTO anarchist movement was in converting the public to a cause.

Seymour: Is your dad on Medicare? If so, he’s benefiting from government paid, taxpayer subsidized healthcare, without which many old people and their families would die or go bankrupt.  And it’s the right wing religious crazies who want to regulate a woman’s uterus and whether gay people should be treated as human beings. It would be great if they minded their own business, but it’s not in their DNA.

Oh and the WalMart shopper overwhelmingly voted for OBAMA!

Well…..it’s not exactly how you’ve portrayed it Harp, even though I personally agree with you about the reason being a ready source of federal funds for our treasury; a tax by any other name is still a tax. 

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004010017

It really annoys me to read all the smears against sincere, hard-working Americans by Democrats desperate to save their butts. Do you realize, Nail ‘em up, that the polls show that 4-in-10 tea party members are Democrats and Independents? That’s 40%. Polling also shows that the vast majority of tea party members are quite mainstream in their political views. You’re making a huge mistake by attempting to smear them; whether or not you agree with them, they are a legitimate group of Americans with a focus on Constitutional government policies. Have you got a problem with that?!

The more Democrats seek to smear them, the more people sympathize with tea party members, because whatever politics people have, they really are sick and tired of hearing the “racist” smear–the epitome of totalitarian fear-mongering!  You’re only creating a backlash against the Democrats with the continued smear campaign.

Damn it candymarl, if I could lift my hairy knuckles off the ground, I’d shoot your heathen ass for for pointing out my lack of teeth! 

You must be confused. It was the Obama administration’s very own Anita Dunn blathering about Mao.
Didn’t she resign?

nail em up,

I only have a high school degree, but I know that the below statement should read doesn’t help.  So much for your degree!!

Of course, the media don’t help.

Visitor, DO NOT pigeonhole me as being on either side. I’m still a member of the Democratic party but I’ve not had the time to celebrate this separation and can’t stand the pinky ringed, tanned from a can Republicans. I’ll vote my mind and heart in that booth and that you can be sure. My Father was a test pilot in the Air Force with 35 years of service. So pull that rubber band under your chin and put the little gaucho hat on with the dingle balls and try to find your master. You may want to start at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Ignorance Visitor? You think this is merely an emotive dynamic for me without conducting any due diligence whatsoever? I can decipher young thought and you are going to be very disappointed in life.
 
Tell ya what though Bumpkin, when you can manage a payroll for even ten employees let alone thousands then you can come onto my playground otherwise there is an organ grinder that’s missing his monkey and we’ve just found him.
 
You know it, I know it and we all know that the direction Obama is taking this country is going to result in a historical shellacking come November with the coup de grace in “12” unless Obama reversed dramatically his bambi, bambi, thumper, thumper vision which is not going to happen now is it? Wow, Obama just took our nukes off the international table? Doesn’t matter how this comes out of that salad spinner, National Security is I think No.2 of all collective citizens concerns so say hello to another wave of Tea Partiers…see how this works? Ignorance? Well if you indentified yourself I’d congratulate you on such a charming and smart lump of fat three feet above your ass.  Who’d a thunk…..
 

How did such a  nonsensical crap about Tea Party get on No Quarter? I thought that only meaningul writing gets a place in here!

Visitor, you’re obviously confused about the tea party. Their genesis isn’t health care; it’s the sudden massive deficit spending [Obama has quadrupled the deficit]; TARP [moral hazard]; The Pork-Ridden Stimulus Bill [which has accomplished exactly zero] and the violations of Constitutional rights [mandates in the health care reform bill.]

While the tea party members by and large agree on the Constitutional issues, there are differences in goals of members, expected in such a large heterogeneous group of Americans who all come from different backgrounds and regions of the country. Trying to paint them as “racist” is not just intellectually dishonest, it’s offensive. Trying to paint them all as “birthers” or “truthers” or “nazis” is not just stupid; it’s insulting. 

Democrats only hurt themselves–and reveal their contempt for the American people who by and large have the same “mainstream” values as tea party members–when Democrats smear them with such offensive rhetoric. 

And, yeah, that’s a warning. The word “tea-bagger” is not acceptable any longer; most legitimate news sources [That doesn't include Daily Beast: Tina Brown, you're a fucking slut, how do you like that, Bitch?] don’t use it now because they realize that the tea party members are a MAINSTREAM group of Americans who are exercising their Constitutional right to “seek redress for their grievances” from the Government. 

Does Nail Em Up live in the States and pay taxes and contribute to healthcare?

You know what, Seymour – I had an entire comment to post, but after reading yours, there’s no need.  Well said!

The mindset of the left wing is based on ignorance.  I believe if anyone demeans the American people who are standing up for the rights and freedom of our country is feeble minded.

Why does the left feel entitled to?  What makes them so special?  I’m ready for them to petition congress for automatic ass-wipers!  Are they that lazy and screwed up that they can’t work for a living and take care of themselves and families?

Nail em up–read the health care bill!  Your ignorance is showing.

“…….puts you folks into a fugue state.”

It seems more like a scherzo state to me! 

NEI said, “Having a person on to argue that Barack Obama is not a native-born citizen of the United States serves no newsworthy purpose. It is an act of sheer provocation and showmanship.” 

Okay.

I maintain no documentary evidence exists in the public record that would establish Mr. Obama is a “C,” let alone “NB.”  And WH Counsel Bob Bauer agrees with ME.

In January 2009, representing Defendant Obama in yet another civil lawsuit aimed at establishing his Constitutional eligibility for office, Bob Bauer, now WH counsel but then General Counsel to the DNC Services Corporation and Organizing for America, Mr. Obama’s Presidential campaign; introduced yet another Motion to Dismiss.  Only this time, in an apparent effort to quell all such suits, he added a special footnote:  ‘Please, your Honor, take judicial notice that my client has publicly produced his birth certificate, indicating he was born in HI.’  Understand, Mr. Bauer did not introduce that document to the court, where it could be seen by both opposing counsel and the judge.  This left the only means through which the existence of this document could even be established would be, with the aid of a computer screen.  (Of course, even assuming the image was of a real document; this would only prove, Mr. Obama is native born, but not natural born.  The document that could have established he was natural born was that official DNC Certification of Nomination signed by Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, 3rd in line of Presidential succession, swearing he was Constitutionally eligible for the job, with all of the gravitas associated with her name.  Five months earlier, this document was submitted to election officials in nearly all 50 states, convincing these officials to print his name on the ballot.  I can only guess why Mr. Bauer did not provide this document to the court.)  http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/counsel-for-dnc-services-corporation-performs-3-card-monte-for-federal-court/ (Anyway, on what basis did Ms. Pelosi ascertain Mr. Obama was Constitutionally eligible for the job before swearing he was eligible?  Several citizens have asked but, she won’t say.) http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/the-cheese-stands-alone/

The original Tea Party wasn’t about the small tax on the tea itself. It was about not having a voice and not being represented. Today people are seeing the exact same thing. It isn’t the health care tax so much as not having a voice. This was passed without being fully understood and in defiance of the American people by a party that feels that the American people are too ignorant to know what they really want. If the TEA party is misunderstood the left won’t be in a position to answer the discontent. Not that they seem to care right now. But they will. Pride comes before the fall, and these guys are high on their pedestals right now.

Exactly!

I wish I had an answer for that myself.  Must by NQ’s attempt to allow differing viewpoints.  Clearly this piece doesn’t represent that majority view of this site.

I”m not really the point of this post is, since the things metioned in the post are things we have already heard about the tea party. 

Is Nail them up trying to stop any of us here from joining the tea party because she or he thinks the people here are to dumb not to see the bad parts of the tea party?

Most of the people that come to No Quarter (In my opinion) are Hillary supporters who feel left out in the cold by the democratic party.  One can be a liberal and not like Obama. Oh wait, I forgot, no, they can’t  be liberals according to the Daily Kos or Huffpo.  

The tea party has nothing to do with me, just like the democratic party has nothing to do with me either.

Also, many people with college degrees (as mentioned in the comments above) voted for Obama. Obama is a disaster based on his inability to govern properly (his own words).

Nail ‘em up – If you want to fight the tea party, you have come to the wrong site.

It kinda snuck in…

I”m not really sure what the point of this post is, since the things metioned in the post are things we have already heard about the tea party.  And even though some of  those here may not agree with them, as Hillary supporters who were maligned wrongly, I don’t think anyone here wants to jump on the tea party bashing bandwagon.  They are their own party, and I’m not involved. 
 
Is Nail them up trying to stop any of us here from joining the tea party because she or he thinks the people here are to dumb not to see the bad parts of the tea party?  
 
Most of the people that come to No Quarter (In my opinion) are Hillary supporters who feel left out in the cold by the democratic party.  One can be a liberal and not like Obama. Oh wait, I forgot, no, they can’t  be liberals according to the Daily Kos or Huffpo.    
 
The tea party has nothing to do with me, just like the democratic party has nothing to do with me either.  
 
Also, many people with college degrees (as mentioned in the comments above) voted for Obama. Obama is a disaster based on his inability to govern properly (his own words).  
 
Nail ‘em up – If you want to fight the tea party, you have come to the wrong site. I think the coffee party is on facebook.

This is not one of NQs better stories–in fact, one of the worst.  The author could not have possibly been a Hillary Clinton supporter or he/she would know what it is like to be called racist and other names by the Obama thugs just for having a point of view.

I think there is FEAR alright–fear that those who are upset with what is goin on may actually end up having a real voice and make some needed changes!  Of course, the cheap way to try to dissuade them is to put them down.

Nail:  Nice use of the race card and educational elitism (i.e., the more educated you are, the less likely you are to be duped by the Tea Party and or/Republicans).  None of this is borne out by facts, of course, but it goes over so well out here on the Left Coast.  I use it from time to time myself at Hollywood parties when I want to get laid by a UCLA grad. 

Nail em up, you’re not welcome here. Clearly. If you’re not parroting the latest talking points against Obama, NoQuarter is not the site for you.

The educational elite are over represented in our society as we put way too much relevance on their paper certificates of self validation. You can’t learn common sense at Harvard and the world if chock full of book smart people who are functionally inept when released into society at large. Our next President needs to be a business person, provided we make it that far.

 I did see this a few weeks back and gave a heads-up to my kids.  You can Opt Out.  Better to put that money in your onw fund, under your own control rather than the government.  As pointed out earlier, my 90 y/o aunties who saved conservatively, and with diversity,  all their working lives (white collar secretaries/bookkeepers) retired with a substantial amont which took them through every phase of their retirement.   They did not live flamboyantly but did live well…even up to the $5k/month for full care at their retirement community.  At 93 and 91 they still had a quarter of a million left when the end came.  You have to be consistent and conservative. 

Giving the government this money to manage  is like allowing them to take too much in payroll deducitions…a free no interest loan to the Feds.  Are they going to promise to put this money in a “lock box” like SS?  Hahahaha. 

Well, not even close to the last time I looked in the mirror.

 ” I use it from time to time myself at Hollywood parties when I want to get laid by a UCLA grad.”

What Retired? Are you implying that your pick-up MO in Hollywood is to mimic that celebutard Sean Penn? Have you no shame? Could you sink any lower in your pathetic pursuit for disgusting carnal pleasures?

Well, all I can say is……………………”Thanks for the advice,I’ll have to give it a try!” 

You’ve described my very situation and sympathies, sunny black.   

” By treating the more mentally unstable and incoherent members of the lunatic right with deference and respect in order to present “balanced” coverage, they have bestowed a kind of legitimacy on paranoid hate-mongerers, racists and the flat-out ignorant.”

Well said.
You are not going to be popular in Glennbeckistan, though.

I heard you can opt out if you’re a Christian Scientist or Amish.

Henceforth, I’m a Christian Scientist/ Voodoo Worshiper! I firmly believe that I can heal myself with Bible verses, and make sick mine enemies with libel curses! So, when Obama’s arms fall off, you’ll know who’s responsible.

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It’s a note by an anonymous blogger, but it’s making the rounds on the Internet because it urges citizens to disrupt April 15 tea-party rallies from the inside.
“Organize counter-protests against the tea party demonstrations, same time, same place,” the message states. “This is probably the best option. We need to get in the streets on April 15th and show the tea-party movement that there are lots of people out there who oppose their agenda.”

The tea parties are a general assortment of people with issues ranging from opposition to high taxes to concern over massive government expansion through President Obama’s socialist-type health care program and industry bailouts. If there’s a common factor, it’s opposition to Washington’s agenda and a promotion of individual rights and responsibilities.

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The note posted on an anarchist blog urges the nation’s anarchists to carry out demonstrations to break up tea-party rallies.

The writer calls the tea parties “a coalition of conservatives, anti-Semites, fascists, libertarians, racists, constitutionalists, militia men, gun freaks, homophobes, Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones conspiracy types and American flag wavers.”

The message warns of consequences if the tea party movement is not derailed.

“If the tea-party movement continues to grow in size and strength there is a big chance they will dominate this country in the near future. If the tea-party movement takes over this country they will really hurt poor people by getting rid of social programs like food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, student aid, free health care, etc,” the note said.

The note accuses tea party activists of malicious intent.

“The tea-party movement will say these programs must be gotten rid of because hard-working taxpayers cannot afford to pay for these things especially when the economy is in a depression,” the author claims.
Under no circumstances should opponents ignore the tea parties, the note warns.

“This is the worst option because without anyone opposing them they could easily gain power,” the author wrote.

The letter, noted by bloggers Gateway Pundit and Jawa Report, was posted at Infoshop News, which is edited by Chuck, who asked that his last name not be used.

The site’s homepage says it provides “Anarchist news, opinion and much more.”

Chuck describes Infoshop News as “an independent news service, online since 1997, which publishes a wide variety of news and opinion from various authors, groups and organizations. Our group does not have a position on tea party rallies. We are just a news service.”

The site acknowledge the its posting about the tea party rallies “has generated quite a controversy beyond our website” but stated the call to disrupt tea-party rallies “was not written or authored by Infoshop News.”
“The Tea Party rally story was probably written by one individual, so people should assume it reflects the views of one particular, anonymous person,” the statement said.

The site explained Infoshop News “is run by anarchists and libertarians and features news and opinion from anarchists, libertarians and anti-authoritarians. The news service also includes material from non-anarchist sources, as we think it’s important to provide news, information and opinion from different sources. We aim to buck the dominant trend among American political news projects, which focus on providing selective news and opinion for people who already agree with that news and opinion. We favor a cross-pollination of ideas, within some parameters. While our news service is popular with anarchists, we also have many readers from other political persuasions.”

Tea party leaders have not responded to requests for comment on this story.
One of the major tea party groups, Tea Party Nation, along with ResistNet and several other groups, is setting up a National Tea Party Unity Convention July 15-17 at the Palazzo Las Vegas Resort in Nevada.

“The speakers will speak on the subject of uniting the conservative movement,” Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips told WND. “One of the major purposes is to get the groups to work together because we all have the same common goal. We want to stop liberalism and socialism, and we need to be working together, not against each other.”

Larry Johnson decides who is “welcome” on NQ.  Evidently he supports freedom of speech of differing viewpoints.  Not Likely, the mere presence of Nail Em Up’s post proves that your statement is bullshit.

lol…I live in Hollywood.

Wow, what a terrific post, Nail Em Up!  Nice to see some viewpoint diversity here at NQ.  Seeing this kind of variety is refreshing.

Nail Em Up,

I am still confused about your post.  Rather than really argue points about the two issues you mention, you argue against using fear to move the masses the way someone  wants them to be moved. 

It’s one thing to think you’re being a modern day FDR:  “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”  It’s another thing to really see the argument through.

Fear has been used for good reason as well as for bad reasons.  The Christians, for example, study their prophets, many of whom used fear to try to get the people to see the error of their ways.  And according to the stories, their prophecies were valid. 

Now, I know that many are not Christian here, and I could also mention other prophets of other religions or of secular persuasion—all controversial.  Many, however, will say that the fear was valid to some extent.

But, as a person who has read very much literature, I could also point to “prophets” of the literary type.

For instance, when I was an undergrad we read a few stories along the line of the play by Elmer Rice entitled “The Adding Machine.”  It’s an early warning about how man might be replaced by machines.  Imagine trying to get us to fear that.  We’re all smart and know that can’t happen.  It has happened, however, and yet it has also not happened to  the extent that was depicted in the literature.  Today I read that the iPod, or some such device, just earned a Nobel Prize.   To some extent, fearing something can help us think through to more rational reactions to the things we fear.  Fear is not bad in itself.

Contl

A short story by Kurt Vonnegut is often included in junior-high level reading texts.  It’s entitled “Harrison Bergeron.”  I love this story, but I had all kinds of trouble getting my students to really understand the point Vonnegut was trying to make about our rush to “social equality.”

I always looked at it in terms of the school system and its too easy acceptance of the “self esteem” movement, where everyone gets an award and everyone is above average, as in Garrison Keillor’s home town.

But in the story, it’s clear that this social equality movement has reached the point of absurdity in which no one can really be allowed to excel because it might make others feel bad about themselves.

The kids had a hard time applying it to themselves.  All they saw was a silly story about a high IQ boy rebelling and rescuing a great ballerina with bags to tie her down.

Vonnegut was, in a sense, trying to work on fear, but it does not mean that he did not have reason to fear certain trends in society.  I for one do see the problem with handing out social equality.

So, in response to your confusing post, I also resent the implication that I might be unintelligent and uneducated if I sympathize with the Tea Party movement because I may have succumbed to fearmongering.

Some of us recognize that fears can be exaggerated.  Some us recognize that we can fight or flee.  Or some of us could take the fear and analyse it and figure out just what is really correct in our fear and fight that without falling for the exaggerations.

I’d just as soon be on the side of the uneducated who are afraid of something that should be feared than be on the side of the cool vanguard of the intelligentsia, who may be totally wrong.

There have been too many incidents in my personal life that make me fear the movement to mandate spreading the wealth, as Obama promised. 

I remember my grandparents talking about the communist takeover of the farms their own ancestors had built over a century of toil in Russia.  And when you read about the idiocy of the idea of communal farming that failed miserably and the horrible starvation that resulted for the people who stayed, you learn a lesson about what can come from spreading the wealth. The social equality of the workers dragged from the city to work those factory farms was not worth it.  Most didn’t know a thing about farming.  The ones who remained of my ancestors who did know soon realized that doing more and doing better was not going to get them more rations or pay than those who totally screwed up their jobs.  The disincentive to work for a better life was overwhelming.

I see the same thing happening here with the health insurance reform (I won’t call it health reform, which it is not).  It’s an attempt at social equality, spreading the wealth.  But while it may seem a noble effort, I do see the signs that it is pushing things too far.  There are many disincentives to worry about one’s health, too many disincentives to buy health insurance if you’re young and healthy now.  Why add to them by making the people who did things right have to pay more than before (which I feel will be the case) and then face the possiblity of having a depleted healthcare provider pool to get help from (which I think will be the case)? and The noble effort will not work if it bankrupts the country eventually.  We can’t keep passing things off to the third generation after u.  So, yes, I am afraid, but not because of the “death squad” meme.  I just want the America I love to be around for my grandchildren. 

I do also fear an erosion of American ideals.  Times change and ”the first shall be the last” and all that.  All I am saying is that a dose of fear might be good for some people to work through so they don’t go blindly following whoever their current idol is.  And your fears may not be mine, and my fears may not be yours.  SO call me a “birther” all you want and make fun of that.  I am not trying to work on fear but on principle when I ask that the leader of my country show his records, all the them, as all the other Presidents have done.  Those who make fun of the birthers can stop the “fear” very easily by doing just that: reveal the current President’s records.

Right.  They are different sites for different reasons for different people.  Daily Kos kicked out Hillary bloggers. 

If you would like Nail ‘em up to be better received with respect to the comments sections, then he or she should write somewhere else. (i.e. Huff Po) If Nail ‘em up likes to see other points of views other than he is or her own, then go ahead and post here. But..the point of Nail ‘em up’s post was to bash a particular group of people.  So, I think it is reasonable and fair to suggest they might want to get in touch with the coffee party if he or she is looking for support of what he or she is posting about the tea party.

Larry Johnson has in the past posted some positive things about Obama.  There are a lot of negative things about Obama on here because he is a big negative.  And yes, it is true that we are not Obama supporters and dont’ ever plan on being an Obama supporter. Mostly because of the bashing by Obama supporters.

Interesting post Diana L C.  Thanks!!!

Pretty much exactly what I just said, yes?

WTF?More fear-mongering And deception:

“The note posted on an anarchist blog urges the nation’s anarchists to carry out demonstrations to break up tea-party rallies. ” 
And then it links to Dumb-and-stupidNetDaily where we learn that the note is from an ‘anonymous blogger’ and there’s no link anywhere to substantiate the claim. Then we learn it appeared in Infoshop News (?) as a post by a user, and we know something about this person: His name is Chuck! Wow.

And btw, Not Likely, that’s why I continue to come to this site, read and post because LJ does welcome a range of opinions.  I knew Nail’em Up was going to get clobbered as soon as I read the post.  And yes, he/she shot himself/herself in the foot by insinuating that only non-college folks can be led astray.  We all have that propensity and will continue down a disastrous path as long as we continue to search for a politician, a movement, a pie in the sky remedy to save us. 

Clearly, Obama was/is not a Savior.  He’s not even a decent leader.  But as we pulled back the curtain on who financed the Obama movement, I think we need to peek behind the curtain and recognize just who’s funding the Tea Party movement.

That’s not to denigrate the ordinary Americans who are fed up and have joined to protest because they know in their gut that something is seriously off the tracks in this country. The Big Lie has been perpetuated by politicians on both sides of the aisle, all funded by corporate interests and the Billionaire Boys Club.  They’re playing King of the Mountain with all our lives.

So Nail ‘em Up gets my vote for calling into question the financial force behind any of these movements.  The charges of racism and KKK ties appeals to the lowest common denominator and is meant to whip people into a frenzy.  And as long as we’re moved by emotion alone, we won’t stop to think who the real bully in the room is.

If Nail’em Up is trying to say that the Obama movement wasn’t equally deceptive in nature, funded by huge monied interests with the same over-arching motive–keep us all in the dark–then he/she loses me.

These parties/politicians/corporations are playing us for absolute fools. And the media is not our friend. 

Thanks Rev. Amy…
 
Just love those drive by’s. The poster comes in, heads straight to the fridge and uses the living room as a lavatory, yells and splits leaving the inevitable mess. I wish just once that two parties with differing political views could find some common ground but I don’t see it happening in this current atmosphere which began with the treatment of Hillary.

I certainly will never forget.
 
 
    

Well, I guess the Tea Partiers can use this info as proof that they’re not advocating anarchy. I’ve heard that accusation frequently used when anyone is in favor of a reasonably small Federal government, as though a desire for the Federal government to restrict it’s activities to Constitutionally directed functions means that mayhem will somehow be the result. 

It also presents evidence that “Anarchists” don’t truly want anarchy, as if they even know what anarchy is, but what they really want is the ability to take whatever they want, from whomever they choose, while a Marxist government smiles approvingly at their twisted efforts toward so called “economic justice”. The Anarchists are simply the radical arm of the Marxist movement, and they’re cynically trying to disguise their own inherent greed with lofty exhortations of social justice and economic equality, when they’re actually just petty criminals.

Wow.  No quarter is now posting stories from elitist snobs who hate average Americans that stand up against the massive debt that Obama continues to accrue. Call the Tea Party protestors racist, stupid nazis, and call it a day?

When did NQ start getting talking points from the White House? 
No wonder I rarely visit this site anymore.

And the Judge declined to “take judicial notice”

ALL of this discussion is about one thing: the 2008 election dropped a bomb on the political landscape, and the old familiar battle lines have been scrambled.  Sometimes it’s hard to tell who to shoot at.  Sometimes we circle the firing squad.  This has all been about re-defining the battle-lines so that we will know where and why we will be fighting in the war that will take place in subsequent elections.  What is the Tea Party?  Who makes up the Tea Party?  For that matter: what the hell was PUMA?  Where is our battle line now?  This is all about battle lines, and the different viewpoints on this blog are about drawing and defining meaningful new battle lines.

Oh no, Jackie, the flaming racist is back. So… who’s going to be the target of your particular brand of blatant bigotry today? Or haven’t you finished equating every negative stereotype imaginable with black people? I know Jackie, why don’t you take some cheap shots at the Special Olympics folks like your Savior did? Or, why don’t you amplify the horrible prejudice in his book and explore the shocking anti-white racism that saturates his statement “white greed in a world of need”? 

If we can’t rely on Jackie, the Archie Bunker of NQ, to supply us with the most up-to-date racial slurs, bigoted perspectives, and malicious ethnic epithets, then we’ll just have to pay more attention to the Obama administration and the DNC.

I think it might have been a snark on Retired’s part….but I so love the “celebutard”!  LOL!

This is a bizarre outlier, Tamara.  Keep coming back.  And look at the recent post by Rev. Amy on the same subject–very different take!

Cat, you failed to mention “race baiting” by Nail m’ Up.  On what grounds does she reach the conclusion that they are racially motivated?  The unsubstantiated claims of congreessmen who claimed that one person at one event used the “N” word, and now won’t go on T.V. to back their claim up?  On the fact that a few signs have had Mr. Obama is Joker-style white face?  That they are angry at a black president, as well as a white majority leader and a mumified Speaker of the House?

Or, is she making this claim because to do so helps to de-legitimize oposition to Obama and shut people up?  I’ll take the last choice. 

Thank you Larry for giving Nail m’ Up a platform.  Things were getting boring.  But, if you want to start reporting the views of the far left, let me reccomend “Freedom Fighter”.  At least he doesn’t drool on himself.

Jackie has taken upon itself to represent all that is wrong with the democrats and the Obama regime.

Keep posting, Jackie.  We stand resolved to not buy one once of the BS you bring here.  You actually help us stay in the game to NOT let Obama off the hook or to have another term in office.

Calm down a bit.  Catch your breath.  You’ll feel better.

Lets stop this Anti-Christ nonesense.  The Anti-Christ would have talked the world into bringing  the Olympics to Chicago.

Call it irony, Tamara, or call it shrewd on the NQ staff’s part.  It is serving it’s purpose of keeping those that oppose the direction of Obamanation in the fight.

Resolve to correct the wrongs foisted upon the wonderful country includes being uncomfortable about what is being written “on the other side”.

It’s a shot in the arm to not become complacent.

This is great.  A single, solitary post goes up that doesn’t track with the normal teabagging credo, and NQ commenters explode in a fireball of rage at the poster.  Let me get the popcorn!

I think Larry Johnson should be congratulated for “stirring things up”. The posts have been great. 

I think you’re right, oowawa.  And that’s why so many of us are left angry and bewildered.  We know in our guts that things are falling apart.  But who do you aim at? 

I suspect what we’re seeing now has been flying under the radar for the last 30-40 years.  Seems to me we reached a tipping point in 2000, and then the trajectory was downhill at a breakneck speed.  And the primary and GE of 2008 revealed the ugly underbelly.

Can things be turned around?  I don’t know.  But I am encouraged by discussions I’ve read quite recently.  Even this morning, for instance, over at zero hedge where a group of financial types were discussing how the present malaise within their own membership, the OMG the financial world is coming to an end, might be turned around by individual citizens.  One of the suggestions made, something I heard months and months ago over at Market Ticker was a Starve the Beast movement. 

Could it work?  These guys are a lot smarter financially than I am, but they seem to think it’s worth a try.  If the numbers were large enough, it could bring the machine to a screeching halt.  Of course, so many people are financially stressed right now, credit is about the only thing they have left.  If their cards and loans haven’t been shut down completely, that is.  And bucking the IRS?  That produces churning stomachs for most folks. It’s the fear factor again. 

The discussion at zero hedge is in an early stage, but I think it’s healthy that people from all stripes are beginning to think: okay enough with the Ponzi games and lies. Enough already! The country belongs to all of us, not just the damn thieves.

Ani’s piece last night on tea partier’s and Democratic involvement in that movement is different also.  This piece is not representative of everyone’s thinking here.

Excuse me!! There is no rage here. Considering that people have been called ignorant, uneducated, and racist in the opening post, the response has been incredibly respectful.

If you think the patient and polite responses in this thread are a “fireball of rage”, you really are out of touch.

I’m completely calm, Jackie.  Call it the calm before the storm.  I guess you’ve never experienced resolve.

Like I said…it’s keeping the fires burning…

Well, “CarlaforHillary,” watch out for “Retired.”  He sounds like a sneaky old geezer.

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Grand Junction, Colorado (CNN) –

 They are not typical Tea Party activists: A woman who voted for President Obama and believes he’s a “phenomenal speaker.” Another who said she was a “knee-jerk, bleeding heart liberal.”
These two women are not alone.

Some Americans who say they have been sympathetic to Democratic causes in the past — some even voted for Democratic candidates — are angry with President Obama and his party. They say they are now supporting the Tea Party — a movement that champions less government, lower taxes and the defeat of Democrats even though it’s not formally aligned with the Republican Party.

To be sure, the number of Democrats in the Tea Party movement is small. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll shows that while 96 percent of Tea Party activists identify themselves as either Republican or Independent, only 4 percent say they are Democrats.

Some of these disgruntled voters are taking part in the current Tea Party Express tour. The tour began in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s hometown of Searchlight, Nevada, on March 28 and is making 44 stops across the nation. It ends in Washington on tax day — April 15.

Ann Ducket attended the Tea Party rally in Grand Junction, Colorado, on Wednesday.

A lawyer and lifelong Democrat, Ducket made her political leanings clear: She said she was a campus community organizer for Democratic Sen. George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign, voted for Jimmy Carter and Al Gore, and previously ran for elective office in Colorado as a Democrat.

“I was a card-carrying member of the ACLU, and I probably did inhale in college,” Ducket said.

Ducket, who is now an independent and did not vote for Obama, said the president has “carried things to an extreme.”
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“I think we’ve gone too far on the side of government doing too much,” Ducket said. “The Democratic Party is wanting to take care of everyone, instead of helping everybody stand on their own two feet.”

Roxanne Lewis expressed a similar point of view. A small business owner in Grand Junction, Lewis described herself as a lifelong Democrat and called the president a “phenomenal speaker.” She voted for him because she “believed in what he was saying: change.”

But, Lewis added, “I should’ve listened a lot closer when he talked about ‘spreading the wealth.’ ”

Asked how she feels about having voted for the president, Lewis said “I feel lied to, cheated and raped.”

COTINUED BELOW:

Good point, J.J.  Of course, and moreover, the Anti-Christ would have been elected POTUS and won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing whatsoever . . . oh, wait a minute . . .

Lewis criticized the taxpayer-funded bailouts of financial institutions, which began under former President George W. Bush, and the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.

“These are not the Democrats that I have been brought up with,” Lewis said. However, she said she will continue to be a Democrat.

“We hear from folks, probably at every rally, who say, ‘I was a Democrat,’ ” Levi Russell, communications director for the Tea Party express tour, said.
“Having more Democrats join the movement shows that it is more representative of the American people than the antics of the Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi, Reid leadership,” Russell said.

The Democratic National Committee declined to comment.

David Saucedo is a rapper and community activist who frequently appears at Tea Party rallies. Using the stage name “Polatik,” he performs rap songs that slam President Obama and the Democrats.

Though he eventually voted for GOP Sen. John McCain in the 2008 presidential election, he said he was initially impressed with the president.

Now Saucedo has turned into an Obama critic. “A lot of the things he says sound good, until you look at the consequences of what they will do on the long term.”

Saucedo also said that most of his family voted for the president but now support the Tea Party.

He said his sister in law’s views sum up the family sentiment.

“She regrets voting for Barack Obama,” he said.

Well, we were told as Hillary supporters we were probably not college educated. Those folks tended to vote for Obama.

I am chortling now!

They could at least come up with a nick!

I wasn’t responding to you, Buzzlatte.  My response was to Onofre’s Arm, the one drenched in sweat, hovering over their keyboard, hasn’t slept in days…

It’s the Fairness Doctrine!

Sounds like a Cheeto eater.

The road to truth is long, and lined the entire way with annoying bast***s.”
Alexander Jablokov

Doesn’t Rep Slaughter have a constituent that borrowed her dead sister’s teeth? maybe she can share with us less fortunate =-X .

Then identify who to, Jackie.  Still calm.

I attended a Tea Party event and it bore little relation to what you describe.
 
If I had to pick a word, I would say “wholesome”. Lots of moms & retirees including some “minorities” (I know, right?).
 
You can find an idiot in most crowds (hi Freedom Fighter), but I saw absolutely no “lunatic antics”, “racism” or “weapons” during my visit, and my vision is 20/20.
 
Spelling errors I will give you, I saw some. Those damn dirty no spell checker using Tea Partiers!

I’m not quite sure what this post was about other than venting against the Tea Party movement.

I don’t know what is wrong in dressing up like Betsey Ross and referring to Congress as little children (diapers). If you have a proper license in this country you have a right to carry arms. I did not know spelling was a requirement for protest. And I am not sure what the point of that sign with slave owners was.

What I do know is that the Tea Party are not primarily Republicans and it is an honest group of Americans who are fed up with people like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi dictating to them what taxes they will pay. To them it is intolerable much the same way the Britisg dictated taxes to the colonists and wer called The Intolerable Acts which led to the Boston Tea Party.

You said: “The Tea Party attendees who think passing universal health care will lead to death panels, fascism and Nazi death camps.”

I am not sure where You concocted Nazi death camps, but leading to death panels is a correct metaphor for the government bureaucrats knowing every aspect of your health and dictating to doctors and hospitals what treatment is acceptable or not.

As far as Obama, he is a socialist. Exactly what part of his life did he not prove that he was a socialist (or a fraud)?

It’s ironic. The liberals have tried to compete with right-wing radio—FAIL. They have tried to marginalize FOX –FAIL. They tried to embarrass the Palin family into oblivion –FAIL. The are fanning the flames of racism and the more they do it, the more of us who never realized our commonality are coming together.

I pledge to do all I can to help them continue their streak —FAILURE.

Yeah, I agree with Rush Limbaugh in this regard. So what?

What’s wrong with this silly computer? I clicked on NO QUARTER, and ended up on dailyKos.

“Those who wish to turn away from the Tea Parties and their embarrassing antics will find little solace in the Republican party. ”

I’ve attended Tea Party rallies and found nothing embarrassing about people who love their country, who believe in smaller government, and among other things, who believe they shouldn’t be paying for someone else’s home.  I worked all my life from the age of 14, paid taxes, raised a family and now have a grandchild.  I retired at the age of 63 to care full time in my home for my mother with Alzheimers and my sister who is bedridden.  I resent being referred to as the fringe.  When you refer to embarrassing antics, be specific please.  Perhaps you haven’t attended a tea party rally.  I hope you will.  

I changed my registration to Republican in December (2009) and will never vote for a Democrat again.

nail em up,
I will not malign you in the same manner that you chose to attack thousands of sincere, patriotic citizens that you have never met.
Chill out with a tall glass of iced tea. It will improve your disposition, if you skip the lemon!

Even good dogs have fleas . . .

Wasn’t there a Mao ornament on the WH Christmas tree?

Nail Em UP said,

“But CNN, MSNBC and other mainstream networks are also to blame. By treating the more mentally unstable and incoherent members of the lunatic right with deference and respect in order to present “balanced” coverage, they have bestowed a kind of legitimacy on paranoid hate-mongerers, racists and the flat-out ignorant.”

Having a “paranoid hate mongerer” or other such type on the news is a good thing unless you believe that the American people are too stupid to figure it out.  Give these types enough exposure and ultimately, the public will turn its back.  To me, a far more insidious threat to the American people is the unseemly, cozy relationship between those who present themselves as “journalists” and the people on whom they report.  If we all knew that Wolf Blitzer was in the President’s box at the baseball game, we probably could figure out that his programming and commentary is biased and discount it accordingly, but relatively few people ever will know that. 

If you still think that the problem at CNN and MSNBC is giving airtime to right wing crazies, I’ll trade you one Al Sharpton for every tea-bagger you can corral.

“:BIG THUMBS DOWN:”

I ultimately don’t care about the above article. Someone needed to say it, and someone will argue with it. But…

“Big Thumbs Down”
There is a side effect of the new blogging culture and its the “thumbs up, thumbs down” culture. Really folks, this is about the most immature thing to collide with news and commentary I’ve seen in a long time.
What was once a nice indicator of people’s feelings about a piece, a clip, or a comment, is now a political device to play petty wars of partisan nonsense across the ‘blog o sphere’.

Who cares if you Boo, or thumb down. Who cares if you cheer, or thumbs up. Just …please, pretty please…Say something of value instead.

I can get a goddamn chicken to flick a switch that says, good or bad. (then I’ll sell it to teabaggers as a divining tool)

Thumbs down…I mean…really? Even Roger freakin Ebert isn’t in the “thumbs down” business anymore.

Thanks LJ for NQ.

Actually, it is just more evidence he is truly the Anti-Christ.  The city of Chicago was trying to get the 2016 Summer Olympics and lost to Rio.

Everybody knows bo is going to cause the end the world in 2012.

=-O

Hillary or bust??  Then you are by definition a sexist who places her crotch before her country. You cannot have it both ways.  You are as genuine as the Messiah himself.  I hope you and all of you moronic Dems sink with this Fraud.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=268ncnoitEc

Hillary or bust?? Then you are by definition a sexist who places her crotch before her country. You cannot have it both ways. You are as genuine as the Messiah himself. I hope you and all of you moronic Dems sink with this Fraud. To you and all of your fraudulent comrades, yeccch, and kaka.

Well, considering what has been happening in the hallowed halls of higher learning in the U.S. for the past 40 years, I think I’ll take my chances with those un-larned folks who have their degrees in hard knocks and common sense. 

What honestlawyer said!

Hillary or bust?? Then you are by definition a sexist who places her crotch before her country. You cannot have it both ways. You are as genuine as the Messiah himself. I hope you and all of you moronic Dems sink with this Fraud. To you and all of your fraudulent comrades, yeccch, and kaka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=268ncnoitEc&nbsp;

Please notice  the level of applause when she said she was a proud American.  There was none.  Who the fuck are you Democrats???

lol..

No. You were being snotty and sarcastic. I was being sincere in my thoughts and comments. Big difference.

Yes Mao was moved in and Churchill was moved out.
What an upside-down world!

Yes, the Obama as the Anti-Christ theme is getting tiresome. Everyone knows George Soros is the Anti-Christ, Obama is just a second tier demon.

I know some Obama supporters who believe he guide the world during 2012 Mayan Rapture.  And these are college educated people!So lets put this to rest that only christians are prone to fear and extremism.   The left is just as wacky!!!!  They marched America’s street with pictures of Bush dressed like Hitler.  Whatever your opinions are about Bush, if you think its wrong to dress Obama up like Hitler then its wrong for Bush too.

This is my problem with both sides, both have extremists, who engage in frightening, delusional sometimes violent behavior.  And if your opponent engages in this behavior you accuse them of being a danger to the republic.  However, if your side does it its a sign of intelligence and its OK.  

Too many Americans lack a firm set of principles.

Ummm…I am NOT an Obama supporter. I am also no longer a Democrat. You are super late to the PUMA party apparently. 

I sleep quite well considering that I’m well aware that rabid, mouth foaming, mindless psychopaths like you Jackie, are wandering loose on the streets, smearing their vile filth on everything they touch.

“Say something of value instead.” Ummm…I think that applies more to YOUR comment, where you just wasted a whole lot of bandwidth complaining about one little saying indicating my dislike of the piece. Never mind I outlined quite succinctly my problem with the article in my preceding paragraph.

And you are telling me to grow up? Ironic. 

Nail’em Up, I respectfully disagree with your post.

Please read The Tea Party in Boston Harbor Letter from John Adams

The reason is that in stating;
 “they [msm] have bestowed a kind of legitimacy on paranoid hate-mongerers, racists and the flat-out ignorant. Having a person on to argue that Barack Obama is not a native-born citizen of the United States serves no newsworthy purpose. It is an act of sheer provocation and showmanship.”

you are on one acknowledging that the MSM is manipulating yet you deny the possibility that the portrayal of the “hate-mongerers, racists and the flat-out ignorant.” is part of the same Government Media Complex that spawned BO.

I am neither hateful, ignorant or racist. I can’t tell you how many times I have been called a these things, simply because I staunchly disagree with BO and his supporters.
The problem for many on the left and the right when looking at the “Tea Party” is that is a force to be as you put it “feared”, so it is demonized by the left and the right.
I am and have been concerned that the political force that is represented by the what is called “The Tea Party”, is ripe for being co-opted. Both Democrats (NP and BO) and Republicans feel threatened, as well they should. They are both guilty of the same atrocities and the people in the middle are SICK of the lies and taxation without representation. IF for one moment you think the HC “bill” was not a huge rip off of the American taxpayer and WILL not have devestating consequenses, then I would ask Why not?

PS. I do enjoy reading your posts agree or not.

What?  We aren’t required to wear Burka’s!

>:o

To the author:

I find that those who are educated, such as doctors, nurses, business majors, business owners are the ones who do not like the way the country is heading. I also find it “humorous” that the author of this article would try to equate that those who have a college degree aren’t easily led “astray”. YOu’re right, they’re not. That’s why they have joined the Tea Party. Truly you have to know just how long a doctor goes to college to be “educated” don’t you? How about someone who earned their MBA?

So please explain to me how the unions, ACORN,  and Hollywood are “more educated” than the average tea partier. Most SEIU rank and file workers are NOT educated in college. Most union rank and file workers are NOT college educated. Most ACORN and community organizers are not your average colleged educated folks. So who again are the educated ones who support Obama? Lawyers? CEO’s? You fail at your argument and quite frankly, I’m sick and tired, being bi-racial, college educated of being called a “racist” “uneducated” po donk. Understand? Then answer the questions I have asked you.

Hey Nail-em, do you go along with the epithets launched at black conservatives who belong to the Tea Party? Or do you have your own insulting pet name for this faction of the Tea Party? I can only imagine what nasty names the resident NQ racist Jackie calls them.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ETR1380&show_article=1

 She don’t fire on all cylinders that’s for sure Onofre’s arm!

Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped.
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College degrees and/or better elected a person with no history, who won by gaming the system, who sat silent as his campaign accused another candidate of racism and incitement to murder (the RFK reference)  to the Presidency and you think these people are intellectually superior.

Your own link show a black man carrying a legal firearm–what is your problem?

My Grandparents probably couldn’t spell because they had no formal education.  A formal education only shows  that a person had the opportunity it does not define intelligence and neither does a degree!
Grow a brain NailEmUp.

And, Armymom, your point about how doctors and nurses, business majors, and business owners are against this bill makes even clearer my point in my long comment above.  When you have non-practicing lawyers (as many in Congress are), the huge percentage of people in O’s administration who have NEVER worked in business (and especially not medicine), and people who do not have to deal with health insurance as the rest of us do since they are opted out, it appears to be an analogous situation as having the non-farmer bolsheviks trying to run the farms in Russia. 

I just don’t understand how they have the egos that let them think they know how to run a medical practice.  Their ignorance is evident in that their whole “solution” concerns medical insurance instead of real healthcare practice and its costs. I just feel we’ve lost a great opportunity to REALLY do something to make our health care industry–meaning the technicians, the nurses, the doctors, etc.—even better than it already is.    What will be their incentive now when no-nothings are running the show and getting paid as much or more than they get after all those years of experience and education?

Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. 
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College degrees and/or better elected a person with no history to the Presidency, who won by gaming the system, who sat silent as his campaign minions  accused another candidate of racism and incitement to murder (the RFK reference)  and you think these people are intellectually superior.  

My Grandparents probably couldn’t spell because they had no formal education. A formal education only shows that a person had the opportunity it does not define intelligence and neither does a degree!

Your own link show a black man carrying a legal firearm—yet that’s indicative of what exactly?

NailEmUp, the only thing missing from your piece is the guttural Teabagger invective.

Don’t forget to grab your smoke, too!

To my mind, true ignorance is shown by those afraid of what they do not know, but don’t really take the time to find out.  It is about time people stood up so they could be heard!  I will be opening a franchise of “Torches and Pitchforks ‘R Us, which will give a liberal discount to all Tea Party members… I have to wonder if “Nail” took such offense when people were railing against bush.  Did he consider them ignorant and lacking intelligence?  As I see it, obama is just a continuation of gwb and his policies…wtf??

If the Tea Partiers run the “incumbeciles” out of office, I say “Right On”!!

“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

To me, the best evidence that this health care legislation is horribly flawed in that Congress will not subject itself to it.

When they have to follow the same rules they decree for the rest of us poor slobs out here, then I’ll be happy to climb aboard.

OA, I heard you can choose to opt out of the long term care regardless. 

The HC plan itself if you are Christian Scientist, Amish, Mennonite…probably Jehovah’s Witness too.  I’m betting you could stretch Christian Science to off shoots such as Unity, Religious Science, etc.

Hold on.  Don’t I pay premiums for Medicare and the RX plan (which benefits me not at all…the savings are about the same as the premiums)?  If not, I’d like my money back.

This looks like a cut and paste piece of rubbish from the Daily Kook site.  The libs are losing it.  The tactic of calling regular working Americans in the Tea Party all sorts of names is a typical lib tactic.  The libs try to silence all opposition.  The idiot who wrote this article should be thanking the people in the Tea Party since they are actually trying to save this country from  becoming the hell hole that he and the libs are trying to create.

You know everyone does have their right to an opinion.  What’s interesting is where the stats come from…a poll 1000 – 1200 where maybe 10-17% or so said they were involved, interested or had go to a tea party rally.
 
That is why I do not like what the polls are saying about what is coming from tea party people whether it sounds positive or negative.  They have not yet truly done a poll of just tea party people to get their feelings… 
 
Asking a 1,000 what they think about the Tea Party is a lot different in a poll.
But taking whatever small % of that poll that says they have some type of interest in the Tea Party movement and using their feelings as an overall Tea Party View is ridiculously illogical.

Lisa, NEI uses the word “media” a few times, always matching it correctly with the plural form of the verb. http://www.mnstate.edu/hanson/MC210/MC210_changing%20language.htm

And I don’t even play the banjo!

I tell those who fail to understand this to treat the word “media” the same way you treat the word “people”. They are both plural even though they don’t end with “S”. “The media don’t know what they’re doing” is grammatically and factually correct!

I still fail to understand why identifying BO as a socialist means, I am crazy. (Unless, of course, you are saying that BO, who identifies himself as a socialist, is crazy, too.)  http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2008/10/senator-obama-signed-contract-with.html

“College degrees and/or better elected a person with no history to the Presidency, who won by gaming the system, who sat silent as his campaign minions  accused another candidate of racism and incitement to murder (the RFK reference)  and you think these people are intellectually superior.”

AC, anyone who thinks these people are intellectually superior, isn’t.

 BINKY, what a giving soul you are. 

Sunny black, I sure hope you come out of lurkdom more often, and share your perspectives with us.  Were you a PUMA? 

We need the media to be identifying these patterns between groups, for instance, how Bush used it before, and now Obama is using it.  How we just keep repeating cycles, until someone (MEDIA!) will call everyone out and tone the rhetoric down by pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides.

I think the bots are really thrown right now – they’re so used to everything being black and white, and here the Tea Party is 51% dems and indys, and also women!  They have no more room left to accept that these are real people at the tea parties, not their own projected fears of who they are.  They need to accept that perfectly normal people are opposing their messiah.

Is “visitor” the new “guest” – how many will there be this time, I wonder.

I used to think the dems were for women’s rights.  Then the stole the nomination from Hillary.  Then I realized, hey, no one ever bothered to pass that ole ERA.  And DADT  – Obama’s THINKING about it, gonna commission some studies.  Translation:  the left rarely fights for gays or women, it’s just their public face, their mode of manipulation.  Nothing more. 

Well, that “college” meme was one of their first slurs, they were just getting primed for the further lies to come to throw at us….

There are MANY educated people who oppose Obama.  The college kids who supported him don’t even count, they haven’t even graduated! 

I think The Stealing of Hillary’s Win exposed the racism of minorities against whites, and it also exposed the classism of the educated people who supported Obama – as well as the classism of the non-educated “hangers-on”.

they really are sick and tired of hearing the “racist” smear–the epitome of totalitarian fear-mongering!  You’re only creating a backlash against the Democrats with the continued smear campaign

Oh, yeah.  There’s a backlash, and it’s definitely growing.  But why not?  We’ve been abused, many of us for the last 3 years, and now we’re standing up to our abuser.  Next time someone calls me racist because I don’t like something Obama does, I’m going to stand taller than they are, and give it right back:  You are a race-baiter, and I’m NOT going to play your game.  It is a despicable game!

Ah!  Now I get it – they’re worried we’re going to co-opt “Hope and Change(TM)”, but it wouldn’t be a PR slogan like for them, we would really mean it!

It’s not like Larry’s having a “Taylor Marsh 180 moment”    lol

If Fear is the most persuasive sales pitch why does Budweiser use Buxom Twins?

This piece is a laughable piece of excrement.

Condemning the Tea Party’s supposed use of fear by using fear in a hateful race baiting essay.

Do you see the irony Nail Um Up Obot?  You should open a window because that hopium smoke is so thick I doubt you can see the pile of excrement sitting at your keyboard.

Why do you say “teabagging”?  Are you heterosexist?  Are you homophobic?  You’re supposed to be some liberal representative, aren’t you?  So why are you throwing gay slurs at people?  Hypocrisy, thy name is Jackie…i

In other words, the huge number of normal Americans from different walks of life forming the Tea Party is HISTORIC, and the bots are being OBSTRUCTIONISTS!

The French writer Voltaire is reputed to have said I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.

I doubt that Voltaire ever met nail em up or was called upon to read much less defend the kind of venom and mindless tripe we see above.

The Tea Party movement is based on legitimate concern that the public will is being ignored, the public good is being thwarted, and the Constitution is being destroyed.  

It is rooted in Jacksonian thinking.  And here is what the estimable Walter Russell Meade says about that:

 It is perversion rather than corruption that most troubles Jacksonians: the possibility that the powers of government will be turned from the natural and proper object of supporting the well-being of the majority toward oppressing the majority in the service of an economic or cultural elite—or, worse still, in the interests of powerful foreigners. Instead of trying, however ineptly, to serve the people, have the politicians turned the government against the people? Are they serving large commercial interests with malicious designs on the common good? Are they either by ineptitude or wickedness serving hostile foreign interests—giving all our industrial markets to the Japanese, or allowing communists to steal our secrets and hand them to the Chinese? Are they fecklessly frittering away huge sums of money on worthless foreign aid programs that transfer billions to corrupt foreign dictators?

If this benighted writer understood the half he or she would know that this is the Jacksonian 

“Taxpayer funded”.  So you mean his own taxes are now paying his Medicare?

Wait……  instead of controlling a womans uterus, Obamacare wants to control our whole bodies!  Ooops…no privacy there.

One consolation….those young, naive, healthy Obamabots will be forced to purchase health insurance to cover the risk on the old uneducated folks. 

Seymour–well said.
I think two/three parties with differing political views DID just come together.  Let’s just hope we can pick our candidates to stabilize this Obama roller coaster and stop this runaway train.

Noogan—Shhhh!
Let the no-it-alls continue in their peaceful slumber.

Write on, sunny black.

Thanks jbjd, I now notice that I left out the word “knowledge” before history.  Hope who read got the gist as you have.

Too funny.  Oa, you never fail to make me laugh.

This entire article sounds like an echo from an ominous point in history about 72 years ago. To put it in proper perspective, simply replace the lowly and ignorant Tea Partiers with “Jews”, and replace the well educated, future thinking leftists with “Aryans”. When I did this, I sure got a chill.

Congratulations Nail Em Up, in a different time and place, you could have been Goebbels’ right (or should that be left) hand man! 

When you say all educated ppl support Obama, does that include the overwhelming majority of current graduates who spent all that time slaving away in school only to find out all the jobs are gone?  I doubt it. can you take the silver spoon out of your ass already.

Freedom of speech is never a legitimate shield against criticsm that is nothing but demagogic distortions and lies…but maybe there was a method to the madness and Larry and Nail put this out there calculating it would this would fire us up even more.

Just like after Obama painted the activists with histrionic passive /aggressive “broad brushes,” he said he didn’t want to paint Tea Party demonstrators “in broad brushes,” and that he hopes to win over members who didn’t consider him a foreign socialist but who have “mainstream, legitimate concerns.”

ROFLMAOOOO!  I’ve seen Larry Johnson BAN people and call them the UGLIEST names, “moron” and “idiot” etc. for writing much less pathetic drivel and baseless LIES that the idiot who wrote this crap.  Of course the loser who wrote this has never read Deathcare, but even the Moonbat morons are now ducking for cover from the coming ”death panels” by writing their little articles on how Americans “use too much health care anyway” so it’s a good thing to start cutting it.  Does the low level IQ nut who wrote this article READ????? 

The bottom line is this…The bill is DEATHCARE.  I READ IT MYSELF.  There’s a reason why every single reputable financial media outlet has called it, for instance (WSJ) “The worst piece of legislation in American history.”  Which it is. 

As for the moronic comments about the GOP and the Tea Party?  For God’s sake, loser, even CNN isn’t perpatuating those lies anymore.

Larry, I’m shocked.  I read the most artuculate, balanced, fair, researched, documented posts here…and then some completely uneducated, lying BUFFOON comes up with this insane post?  Why would you ever endorse these lies?  Good lord.

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