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	<title>Comments on: Conversation With Cindy Schwartz, Washington State Delegate</title>
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		<title>By: Lori McMaster</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-675260</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori McMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and there will be no way after what we saw in Denver.  Article in California LA Times;la times:

The &quot;unity&#039;&#039; convention in Denver is over. But some Hillary Clinton delegates are back home in California stewing over what they describe as pressure from Barack Obama allies to create a false image of overwhelming support for the new Democratic presidential nominee. 

The Clinton delegates say that during the four-day conclave, Obama delegates opposed efforts to schedule a full, 50-state roll call vote that would attest to Clinton&#039;s true support. What happened instead was an abbreviated roll call vote, cut off by Clinton herself so that Obama would be nominated by acclamation.

As part of that push, some of the Clinton backers grouse, Obama supporters made plain through pointed remarks that the Clinton delegates needed to switch sides and vote for the eventual nominee.

A fair amount of that happened. The final delegate tally was 3,188.5 for Obama; 1,010.5, Clinton, according to numbers released today by the Democratic National Committee. When the primary season….

…ended in June, the tally was much closer, with Clinton trailing Obama in delegates by less than a 10% margin.

Within the huge California delegation, lots of Clinton delegates got with the program. Although she handily won the state&#039;s primary back in February, the California convention vote — as belatedly recorded — was Obama, 273; Clinton, 166.

Diana Madoshi, a Clinton delegate from Rocklin, Calif., said: &quot;It was sort of phony. We had to show all this unity. Well, if you&#039;re pressing people to get on the same train and they&#039;re not ready, that&#039;s not true unity. The roll call vote should have been genuine. I don&#039;t think it served us by it not being genuine.&#039;&#039;

Raymond Penko, a Clinton delegate from San Diego who campaigned door-to-door for her, said it was difficult to get Clinton signs onto the floor of Denver&#039;s Pepsi Center. Some of the New York senator&#039;s supporters wound up using roll-up signs that could be tucked away and smuggled into the arena, he said.

There was even discussion of using body paint to transmit pro-Clinton messages.

Added Penko: &quot;There was pressure all around to conform to what I would call the old boys club. There was pressure to conform to the unity ticket. As soon as Obama delegates heard that one was a Hillary supporter, they would shun you, tell you to get over it, say &#039;Stop being a cry baby. What&#039;s your problem? Don&#039;t you want to win in November?&#039; &#039;&#039;

Both Penko and Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred (shown above) circulated a petition for a full roll call vote. They couldn&#039;t round up enough signatures.

Allred, a Clinton delegate well-known in Southern California for her public-relations flair, grew frustrated last week with what she saw as efforts to muzzle her and, as The Ticket noted, showed up at a delegation breakfast one morning with a gag made up of restaurant napkins.

She&#039;s still not happy with what transpired at the Democratic gathering.

&quot;This was a scripted convention,&#039;&#039; she said earlier this week. &quot;There really was no room for dissent for Hillary supporters. Not even room for discussion.&#039;&#039;

– Peter Nicholas

Also; 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLrnEVq9R0

The only thing that I am concerned about is health care at this point.  McCain has addressed everything else and folks if you vote for Obama, Hillary will not be able to run against him in four years.  Think, remember and do not fall in line and reward the DNC for what they did.
Lori M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and there will be no way after what we saw in Denver.  Article in California LA Times;la times:</p>
<p>The &#8220;unity&#8221; convention in Denver is over. But some Hillary Clinton delegates are back home in California stewing over what they describe as pressure from Barack Obama allies to create a false image of overwhelming support for the new Democratic presidential nominee. </p>
<p>The Clinton delegates say that during the four-day conclave, Obama delegates opposed efforts to schedule a full, 50-state roll call vote that would attest to Clinton&#8217;s true support. What happened instead was an abbreviated roll call vote, cut off by Clinton herself so that Obama would be nominated by acclamation.</p>
<p>As part of that push, some of the Clinton backers grouse, Obama supporters made plain through pointed remarks that the Clinton delegates needed to switch sides and vote for the eventual nominee.</p>
<p>A fair amount of that happened. The final delegate tally was 3,188.5 for Obama; 1,010.5, Clinton, according to numbers released today by the Democratic National Committee. When the primary season….</p>
<p>…ended in June, the tally was much closer, with Clinton trailing Obama in delegates by less than a 10% margin.</p>
<p>Within the huge California delegation, lots of Clinton delegates got with the program. Although she handily won the state&#8217;s primary back in February, the California convention vote — as belatedly recorded — was Obama, 273; Clinton, 166.</p>
<p>Diana Madoshi, a Clinton delegate from Rocklin, Calif., said: &#8220;It was sort of phony. We had to show all this unity. Well, if you&#8217;re pressing people to get on the same train and they&#8217;re not ready, that&#8217;s not true unity. The roll call vote should have been genuine. I don&#8217;t think it served us by it not being genuine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Raymond Penko, a Clinton delegate from San Diego who campaigned door-to-door for her, said it was difficult to get Clinton signs onto the floor of Denver&#8217;s Pepsi Center. Some of the New York senator&#8217;s supporters wound up using roll-up signs that could be tucked away and smuggled into the arena, he said.</p>
<p>There was even discussion of using body paint to transmit pro-Clinton messages.</p>
<p>Added Penko: &#8220;There was pressure all around to conform to what I would call the old boys club. There was pressure to conform to the unity ticket. As soon as Obama delegates heard that one was a Hillary supporter, they would shun you, tell you to get over it, say &#8216;Stop being a cry baby. What&#8217;s your problem? Don&#8217;t you want to win in November?&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>Both Penko and Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred (shown above) circulated a petition for a full roll call vote. They couldn&#8217;t round up enough signatures.</p>
<p>Allred, a Clinton delegate well-known in Southern California for her public-relations flair, grew frustrated last week with what she saw as efforts to muzzle her and, as The Ticket noted, showed up at a delegation breakfast one morning with a gag made up of restaurant napkins.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s still not happy with what transpired at the Democratic gathering.</p>
<p>&#8220;This was a scripted convention,&#8221; she said earlier this week. &#8220;There really was no room for dissent for Hillary supporters. Not even room for discussion.&#8221;</p>
<p>– Peter Nicholas</p>
<p>Also;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLrnEVq9R0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kLrnEVq9R0</a></p>
<p>The only thing that I am concerned about is health care at this point.  McCain has addressed everything else and folks if you vote for Obama, Hillary will not be able to run against him in four years.  Think, remember and do not fall in line and reward the DNC for what they did.<br />
Lori M</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-PUMA</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-611997</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex-PUMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure she is grateful that when you search Hillary Clinton on google you get PUMA hate sites and that PUMA undermined her attempts to clear her debt on tv.

If you are her friends, and from my experiences with you lot, you are not, then I am now glad you are enemies of the DNC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure she is grateful that when you search Hillary Clinton on google you get PUMA hate sites and that PUMA undermined her attempts to clear her debt on tv.</p>
<p>If you are her friends, and from my experiences with you lot, you are not, then I am now glad you are enemies of the DNC.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609529</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are are choices for president
Elmer Gantry or
Elmer Fudd.

Either way we are going to get an Elmer.

I haven&#039;t decided who I am going to vote for.

The dems have continuously nominated weak candidates because of a flawed system. Now we have have another weak candidate and I am tired of it. Then the DNC had to game the system to make sure the weaker candidate got the nomination. There is nothing of substance to Barack Obama or any accomplishment to merit such praise from people.  He is a blessing from God and all such other nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are are choices for president<br />
Elmer Gantry or<br />
Elmer Fudd.</p>
<p>Either way we are going to get an Elmer.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t decided who I am going to vote for.</p>
<p>The dems have continuously nominated weak candidates because of a flawed system. Now we have have another weak candidate and I am tired of it. Then the DNC had to game the system to make sure the weaker candidate got the nomination. There is nothing of substance to Barack Obama or any accomplishment to merit such praise from people.  He is a blessing from God and all such other nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609220</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stay true, Hillary.  Let the delegates votes so the superdelegates will have the opportunity to change their votes!  You are our only hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please stay true, Hillary.  Let the delegates votes so the superdelegates will have the opportunity to change their votes!  You are our only hope.</p>
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		<title>By: roseeriter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609140</link>
		<dc:creator>roseeriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The party for the children-another hypocrisy of the new Democratic Party- Show our children how to win by lying, cheating, committing Fraud, bully opponents, hurt women etc.,

This is the new american way- very sad watching how to game the system..American Idol Politics. Ugh!

We watched Bush co do this also for 8 years and now the Dems. Our democracy is broken from the inside out.

I can only imagine America after the obotkids who may take over down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The party for the children-another hypocrisy of the new Democratic Party- Show our children how to win by lying, cheating, committing Fraud, bully opponents, hurt women etc.,</p>
<p>This is the new american way- very sad watching how to game the system..American Idol Politics. Ugh!</p>
<p>We watched Bush co do this also for 8 years and now the Dems. Our democracy is broken from the inside out.</p>
<p>I can only imagine America after the obotkids who may take over down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: roseeriter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609108</link>
		<dc:creator>roseeriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, look at all of us who do see right through him?  He knows he&#039;s a blank slate and empty suit and he&#039;s just messin&#039; with us.

Too bad the bots can&#039;t see the truth their messiah spoke...LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, look at all of us who do see right through him?  He knows he&#8217;s a blank slate and empty suit and he&#8217;s just messin&#8217; with us.</p>
<p>Too bad the bots can&#8217;t see the truth their messiah spoke&#8230;LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: roseeriter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609098</link>
		<dc:creator>roseeriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama could announce that he realized he&#039;s not qualified and step down. Then I might give him a bit of respect. That&#039;s the only thing he should do.

No one should have to vote for a PUPPET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama could announce that he realized he&#8217;s not qualified and step down. Then I might give him a bit of respect. That&#8217;s the only thing he should do.</p>
<p>No one should have to vote for a PUPPET.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609056</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obamafreaks insist that &quot;McCain will CHANGE the law,&quot;...when CONGRESS, not the President, makes law.

The Obamafreaks insist that &quot;McCain will nominate far right cretins&quot; .....ignoring the simple fact that the SENATE--not the President--APPROVES Presidential nominations.  If the Senate doesn&#039;t like McCain&#039;s picks, they can just throw them back.

A Democratic Congress is a CHECK/BALANCE to a GOP President....and a rubber stamp to a Democratic one.

Look at all the shit Bush got into with a GOP Congress? Sometimes, tension is a GOOD THING. 

I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obamafreaks insist that &#8220;McCain will CHANGE the law,&#8221;&#8230;when CONGRESS, not the President, makes law.</p>
<p>The Obamafreaks insist that &#8220;McCain will nominate far right cretins&#8221; &#8230;..ignoring the simple fact that the SENATE&#8211;not the President&#8211;APPROVES Presidential nominations.  If the Senate doesn&#8217;t like McCain&#8217;s picks, they can just throw them back.</p>
<p>A Democratic Congress is a CHECK/BALANCE to a GOP President&#8230;.and a rubber stamp to a Democratic one.</p>
<p>Look at all the shit Bush got into with a GOP Congress? Sometimes, tension is a GOOD THING. </p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-609003</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullshit.

If it&#039;s such a done deal, and we are such a bunch of &quot;loosers&quot; (learn to spell, twit), one question remains:

WHY are YOU HERE?????

Troll? 

Paid? 

Or &#039;fraid???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullshit.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s such a done deal, and we are such a bunch of &#8220;loosers&#8221; (learn to spell, twit), one question remains:</p>
<p>WHY are YOU HERE?????</p>
<p>Troll? </p>
<p>Paid? </p>
<p>Or &#8216;fraid???</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-608987</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, trolling...or paid?  

Or just frightened and angry, and spoiling for a fight? 

Hmmmmmmmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, trolling&#8230;or paid?  </p>
<p>Or just frightened and angry, and spoiling for a fight? </p>
<p>Hmmmmmmmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-608968</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t do any of that.  

I don&#039;t support Barack Obama.  

I&#039;m a registered Democrat.  I voted for Jimmy Carter and have never voted for a Republican.  

Yet, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t do any of that.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support Barack Obama.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a registered Democrat.  I voted for Jimmy Carter and have never voted for a Republican.  </p>
<p>Yet, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh heh...

He&#039;s such a goddamned martinet, though, he&#039;s probably more like Kim Jung Dean...or, to be accurate, since they do the name ass backwards, it would be Dean Jung Il!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh&#8230;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s such a goddamned martinet, though, he&#8217;s probably more like Kim Jung Dean&#8230;or, to be accurate, since they do the name ass backwards, it would be Dean Jung Il!</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-608948</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better to vote as a Dem....when Dem turnout doesn&#039;t match expectations, the crossover is measurable.  

It sends a message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better to vote as a Dem&#8230;.when Dem turnout doesn&#8217;t match expectations, the crossover is measurable.  </p>
<p>It sends a message.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4384/conversation-with-cindy-schwartz-washington-state-delegate/#comment-608944</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you here?  

Why aren&#039;t you off celebrating instead of trying to incite?  

Scared?  

Or PAID?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you here?  </p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t you off celebrating instead of trying to incite?  </p>
<p>Scared?  </p>
<p>Or PAID?</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, if OBAMA counts the ballots, it will be like Stalin sez....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if OBAMA counts the ballots, it will be like Stalin sez&#8230;.</p>
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