RSS Feed for This PostCurrent Article

Fear Itself Folo

Some readers of this blog took exception to my post titled “Fear Itself,” which was published on April 6.

I’d like to address the objections.

Protest is the American way. The health care bill, a massive piece of legislation, had many elements which some could find objectionable. Mandates are worrying, as is the fear that premiums could go up. There are genuine concerns that the “reform” could turn out to be a souped-up version of COBRA, making insurance obligatory but unaffordable, ultimately benefitting only the insurance companies. Reasonable people can disagree reasonably. That’s one of the great aspects of living in a democracy.

What is not reasonable, however, is circulating pictures of the President disguised as a witch doctor, or spitting on and hurling racial and other epithets at Congressmen (or anyone else), or sending images of nooses, or issuing death threats. This form of “protest” has nothing to do with TARP or health care or anything else. Anyone who defends such behavior should hang their head in shame. Indeed, such acts should be vehemently discouraged and the perpetrators shunned from civilized society.

The Tea Party’s message of smaller government and fiscal responsibility is being drowned out by the movement’s most extreme elements. In this the movement is comparable to A.N.S.W.E.R, a group begun to oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which then degraded into an umbrella group for every embittered leftist with an ax to grind, from PETA to the Free Mumia crowd to the pro-Palestinian folks. Ultimately the anti-war message was diluted and A.N.S.W.E.R turned into a joke.

Another group that found itself in the trashbin of history was the loosely formed anti-World Bank/WTO/IMF crowd, whose members had no problem protesting the worthy cause of international debt reduction by rampaging in the streets and committing acts of vandalism while filming all the exciting anti-globalist fervor with video cameras and cell phones imported from Asia. Any sympathy they may have generated went up in smoke as the public watched the violence and mayhem.

During campaign 2008, left-wing blogs turned into cesspools of misinformation and ad hominem attacks on the Clintons, going so far as to resurrect the “Vince Foster Was Murdered” canard. The outrageous sexism of the blogosphere and the media was harshly and justifiably criticized on this blog. To ignore the extreme elements of the Tea Party is to do an injustice to those decent people who want to have their voices heard, but do not want to be associated with the ugliness of the extremes.

  • carol haka

    You came onto this site and accused the Tea Partiers of vile behavior.

    You are the perpetrator of lies.

    You have no idea who made those signs and no evidence has surfaced that anyone was spat on or called vile names.

    If you have that evidence, then you need to collect the $100,000 reward that has been offered for video or audio of those actions.

    And, I don’t put anything past “dirty tricks” from members of the Left radicalites.

    You might want consider the photos of “real evidence” of the SEIU egging and misdirecting traffic at the Searchlight event.

    You should not attempt to lecture people with no evidence.

    And, by the way if someone wants to call someone a name, it’s commonly referred to as “free speech”.  You should be praising it from the rooftops.

    >:o

  • jbjd
  • carol haka

    And, the Tea Party and the Tea Partiers aren’t going anywhere except to the polls in 2010 and beyond.

    We’ve had enough of the creeps in Washington. 

    >:o

  • Buzzlatte

    Oh my.  Will the RPT take this up?  The ramifications are astounding.  Karma.

  • jbjd

    Bl, I have no idea.  My point was to show, they could; and that they could have.  There is enough blame for all of us to shoulder.  (“Karma” doesn’t nearly describe this coincidence.  When I saw Greg Abbott’s name on that decision – I was in class, on Monday – I had to restrain myself from jumping out of my seat and danced in front of the students.  I took the next 2 (two) days off to finish this.)

  • Buzzlatte

    Agreed.  Life is funny that way.  I so hope the RPT are taking this under serious advisement.  

    Even if they don’t there is certainly a seed that’s been planted.  How do we help keep it alive.

  • elizabethrc

    And you, sir, are furthering the lie.  You lost whatever credibility you had when you made the statement about Tea Partiers spitting on and hurling epithets at Congresspeople.
    Cleaver very clearly was not spat upon, but showed himself for the lowlife racist he is in lying about it.  If you will look at the close up footage, the man he accused had his hands around his mouth and was shouting at him before, during and as he passed, yet Cleaver wiped his sleeve.  The man never lowered his head, which would be necessary to spit upon his sleeve!  Try the truth, why don’t you?!
    Everyone had cameras of some sort with them and they recorded both sight and sound.  Many have reviewed these records and not person is on the record as having yelled epithets at them, or spat at them.
    You need to stop drinking the koolaid.  It’s grown stale by now and I think you need to go back to your Olbermann world.  You’re most certainly not welcome here.

  • My other site

    Calling someone a name is generally called slander.

  • Senneth

    I agree, Carol haka.  Nail, I think you were out of line with your article, and this new one does nothing to correct the inaccuracies or accusations.  Nor does it do anything to support your conjectures that X, Y, and Z have happened at tea parties.  Please provide substsantiating links to your accusations.  No one has collected the $100,000 reward Breitbart has offered, and the congresss critters themselves are dodging the press on this one. 

    The tea party I joined one day in my home town, had nothing but signs against expanding the government and demanding truths rather than lies. 

    You know Nail, your article sounds a lot like the 2008 primary and the GE where we were all called names continuously.  I think respect on both sides would be a great step forward.  And an apology – from you.

  • carol haka

    I’m not sure that the act of “just calling someone a name to their face” meets the legal definition of slander. 

    But I am pretty sure that reporting false information by using names such as rac*st, tea bagger, ………….. with the intent of prejudicing anothers reputation is slander.

    >:o

  • HC123

    “The Tea Party’s message of smaller government and fiscal responsibility is being drowned out by the movement’s most extreme elements.”

    Maybe on CNN and in your mind, but not at the Tea Party event I attended. 

  • carol haka

    And, as we know, you can say anything you want about a public figure.

    Ask Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin ……..

    >:o

  • SYD

    Somebody has clearly been watching too much MSNBC. And, unfortunately, he has bought their BS hook, line and sinker.

    What a shame.

  • carol haka

    Actually a black reporter from CNN went to the Tea Party event in Searchlight and a positive experience.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/07/what-cnn-saw-at-the-tea-party/

    The liars are being outed.  No one is going to fall for their bs soon.

    >:o

  • Obamastolemyparty,myboyfriend,mycountryandmyhealthcare

    Nail ‘em up, I have been to Tea Party events and never once have I seen signs like you are talking about.  The tea parties are anti-incumbent.  mostly, it’s don’t tread on me and stop socialism or keep your hands off my healthcare.  Things like that.  Your new article didn’t help you here any.  Maybe you would enjoy receiving accolades at Daily KOS or Huffpo?

  • AC

    the President disguised as a witch doctor
    **********************************
    That’s no disguise it’s clearly him.

    You have no knowledge of American politics or people’s rights do you Nail?
    Unless you can show actual malice we can say or do anything –it’s still a “Free” country.

    I also do think you know nothing about reasonableness in the political arena.

  • carol haka

    OMG

    I can’t believe the video tonight on O’Reilly of the war protest on March 20, 2009.

    >:o

  • CarlaforHillary

    Ummm..I didn’t see any of our objections addressed in Nail ‘em ups post – just more accustory rhetoric.

    With respect to yesterdy, I should have said the reason so many of us were upset was that, what we were reading was similar to all the Hillary bashing blogs written during the primary.  We weren’t reading “tea party,” we were reading “Hillary Supporters,” where “tea party” was.  I think I actually recall the same post as Nail ‘em ups on another blog but Hillary supporters was inserted where tea party people was yesterday. (joking….)

    I also shouldn’t have said “we already know the tea party is bad.”  I don’t know that, I was referring to the inordinate amount of negative blogs coming from the left re the tea party.

    I’m looking forward to Nail ‘em ups next post with actual pictures that he or she took at an tea party event, or the actual video of Nail ‘em up interviewing tea party people in order to substiate his or her claims.

    Nail ‘em up can write whatever he wants to write, however, about the tea party on this blog.  It isn’t going to stop the growing tea party. People don’t care anymore at this point what the left has to say about them. Again, I’m not sure what the point of this or yesterday’s blog was or is.

    We are adults here who suffered a lot of abuse being Hillary supporters, and if any of us choose to join the tea party, I’m sure we can handle the abuse thrown at us from the left and Nail ‘em up.  We are used to it.

    Rage on Nail ‘em up. Your blog just makes me want to actually join the tea party people just to piss off the left who voted for Obama and hated on Hillary people. 

  • Obamastolemyparty,myboyfriend,mycountryandmyhealthcare

    Come join the tea party!  There are many decent folks and it is very non partisan.  Seriously, here in MN, most I’ve met are Democrats or Libertarians.

  • Obamastolemyparty,myboyfriend,mycountryandmyhealthcare

    This is still proof of a parallel universe!  Those of us in the know, from the inside about the tea parties and those who believe the tea baggers are all GOP!  LOL.  Some people in America are so uninformed!

  • sarainitaly

    “Anyone who defends such behavior should hang their head in shame. Indeed, such acts should be vehemently discouraged and the perpetrators shunned from civilized society.”

    Agreed – as should anyone who denies or buries their head in the sand that this sort of thing happened for 8 years under Bush. Or anyone who falsely accuses people of racism.

    “What is not reasonable, however, is circulating pictures of the President disguised as a witch doctor, or spitting on and hurling racial and other epithets at Congressmen (or anyone else), or sending images of nooses, or issuing death threats. ”

    The spit didn’t happen – Cleaver even admitted it was a say it don’t spray it situation. Even with a $10-100,000 reward out there, not ONE person can provide video evidence of racial slurs. With ALL the cameras filming that day and not a one…. Let’s not forget about the attacks on Bush and Palin.

    What is more disturbing to me than a handful of nut jobs out of hundreds of thousands, is the smearing perpetuated by the media, and those who repeat the smears, all the while ignoring the anger,ugliness and lies that are coming from the Left. 

    “The Tea Party’s message of smaller government and fiscal responsibility is being drowned out by the movement’s most extreme elements.”

    Because that is ALL the media focuses on. A small handful of extremists yet the media has labeled an ENTIRE movement of people as hateful racist, bigoted, homophobic violent extremists. And your post perpetuated that storyline. 

    “To ignore the extreme elements of the Tea Party is to do an injustice to those decent people who want to have their voices heard, but do not want to be associated with the ugliness of the extremes.” 

    The members of the tea party don’t ignore the extremists that show up. Barney Frank’s verbal abuser was admonished and called out on the scene by partiers. The problem is the ONLY focus has been on those few extremists, and the media, and people on the left, have smeared everyone involved – that is when the media would actually report on the events. How many times have they undermined them, ignored them, diminished their numbers? When that didn’t work, they turned very ugly, smearing them all.

    For crying out loud, Steve Cohen and Maddow and others have called them the friggin KKK. 

    There is no room for violence or ugliness, but let’s not act like this sort of thing never happened before Obama became president and the “racists” got all riled up….

  • carol haka

    If you read my response back when I went in Plano, Texas, you would know that I took my big yard sign “Hillary for President”.

    I was swarmed by people that wished she had won – Republicans and Democrats.

    I know that people have awaken and are paying attention.  They want experienced critical thinkers that are only motivated by the good and the will of the people.  I hope we have seen the end of “Obama” candidates that are in it for the “perks”.

    It’s hard to believe Obama went to Afghanistan for 6 hours and just flew to Russia tonight.  He is headed for a long vacation with family in Indonesia in 2 months.  One would think the world was prosperous, and he had actually approved those oil wells off the coast and 10 new refineries.  And, the kicker is that he hired the guy that can build a house in 7 days on ABC to build all of them.

    >:o

  • carol haka

    Sarah and Michelle are on Hannity.  They look beautiful in spirit and deed.

    :*

  • ~~JustMe~~

    True patriots on Hannity no spitting there!
    NO Violence!

  • carol haka

    Wooooooooohhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    :*

  • CarlaforHillary

    Thanks Obamastolemycountry et al.  To be honest after campaigning for Hillary, I was totally burnt out to the core.  I’m not ready to join the tea party yet, but I am probably going to be campaining for Meg Whitman here in California. (as soon as I am done my Anthropology class)

    Thanks for the invite!

  • sybilll

    I tried to find this in the archives.  This was part of THE post that brought me here from a thread at DU that claimed NQ was a *hate* site.  Little did DU know that all they did was garner sympathy from a Conservative for the horrific treatment by Obama and the DNC against Hillary.  And the more I learn about Hillary here, the more I would prefer her in a New York minute.  Sorry DU, your slander gained NQ another devoted fan. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Plus a reminder let’s not forget how they portrayed Hillary in the primaries

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Very well said, AIG.  Thank you. And thank you for reminding us in photos of how Bush was treated (and I couldn’t stand the guy) compared to Obama.  For some reason, all the same people who were making those drawings and photos of Bush now say it is verboten to do so with Obama.  What a pile of, um, hypocrisy THAT is.

    Great comment!

  • Cas

    It is really disgusting to see some extremists on the left try different words and ways to tag the Tea Party members as racists and other idiotic descriptors. When did calling for a smaller government become “extreme elements”? When did opposing the healthcare legislation and the screwed-up process that led to its enactment become “racist”? One recent poll has shown that more Americans have positive view of the Tea Party members than of Barack Obama.
    Americans will soon understand that the radical left media and the liberals, including the top leadership of the Democratic party started playing the race card in the 2008 election for ulterior motives and still continue to foment racism for political exploitation. If they continue to label everyone who criticizes Obama (and the Democratic Party) as racists, by November 2010, most Americans would be fully qualified to be racists.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I might add, thanks, Just Me – that was the mere tip of the iceberg with Hillary.  The way she was depicted was incredibly sexist and misogynistic.  And that was by the Media and the Dems.  Then they took their act on the road against Palin.  Not because of her politics, but because she is a woman.

  • Docelder

    The TEA party people are just regular people who don’t feel represented right now. Probably because they aren’t represented. The TEA party people need to pitch in and buy a lobbyist or two. The lobbyists can say and do just about anything and it will be fine. But regular people can’t participate in our government at this time. This is what happens when regular people try… they are marginalized and riduculed for the effort.

  • donjo

    Funny, but it appears all tea partiers aren’t the saints they’re represented as being.  A guy who had the guts (or stupidity) to ask tea partiers at their meeting in Janesville, WI if they would sign an agreement to do away with their rights to social security, medicare, etc.  Several men gathered around him, confronted  him and threatened to beat him to a pulp.  He left.

    He reported his tale on the radio and said he may try it again in the future, but with a less antagonistic petition – and perhaps some backup.  BTW, no one signed it. 

    As I said before, I think the anonymity of the internet has created a culture of hate as people are too easy to post things they wouldn’t dare say to a person’s face.  I’m sure this note will get the usual plethora of replies accusing me of being an Obot and worse, but I assuming there’s still some right to speak your mind in this country.  Apparently as long as you don’t do it in mixed company.

    And, from what I’m reading the tea party is truly a mixed bag. And that’s a good thing.

  • Guest

    And now they can’t report the story enough. Even if it took something that made those protesters look evil slipped in on the side. Even, apparently, if it was all a lie.

    No doubt there are uncivil people and even a few racists in any crowd, but even if there is an ugly incident (perhaps planted ?), attempting to smear the whole movement — this is an attempt at guilt by association.
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How about starting with the millions of Democrats voting their racist impulse and voting because the most important criterion for them was the race of the candidate ???

  • sarainitaly

    what were you looking for in the archives? I might be able to help you.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly you said it RRR Amy & Sarah.
    AND they just expect us to forget and get on their Unicorn of Hope and Change.
     
    DON’T THINK SO.

  • donjo

    Funny, but it appears all tea partiers aren’t the saints they’re represented as being.  A guy who had the guts (or stupidity) to ask tea partiers at their meeting in Janesville, WI if they would sign an agreement to do away with their rights to social security, medicare, etc.  Several men gathered around him, confronted  him and threatened to beat him to a pulp.  He left.  
     
    He reported his tale on the radio and said he may try it again in the future, but with a less antagonistic petition – and perhaps some backup.  BTW, no one signed it.   
     
    As I said before, I think the anonymity of the internet has created a culture of hate as people are too easy to post things they wouldn’t dare say to a person’s face.  All semblance of civility towards people with different opinions seems to have flown the coop.  I’m sure this note will get the usual plethora of replies accusing me of being an Obot and worse, but I assuming there’s still some right to speak your mind in this country.  Apparently as long as you don’t do it in mixed company.  
     
    And, from what I’m reading the tea party is truly a mixed bag. And that’s a good thing

  • Docelder

    To criticize the TEA partiers for trying to be heard is wrong. Yes, they have tacky hand made signs, but that is because as individuals they don’t have anything else or any other way to contribute. They are doing with what they have to work with. Until this movement congeals and has real leadership it will be a free for all. Nothing wrong with being heard, except that regular folks don’t have a real way to do that anymore outside of the internet now. The political system has no mechanism for regular people to be heard. Congress only listens to lobbyists. Congress marginalizes regular people and treats them as ignorant peons not worthy of any voice.

  • Docelder

    That isn’t guts, that is being antagonistic. I am for less government myself, but I have paid into social security for thirty years now. I may never see a dime of it, but if the damn thing is still solvent by the time I retire someday I want something back for my lifetime of withholdings. Some on the left are just plain ignorant. But, I am sure you could ask a benign question of 100 drivers with Obama bumper stickers and ten of them would be pricks. Wouldn’t make all Obama supporters pricks.

  • Mandelay

    Yes, and let’s not forget the tee shirts with the “c” word under Hillary’s picture — at candidate Obama’s rallies.  Let’s not forget the “statesmanlike” remarks to his supporters to get in people’s faces and let’s not forget “if they bring a knife we bring a gun.”  And, the ongoing savage behavior of the president’s supporters regarding Palin and now Bachmann. And it goes on, the venom directed at anyone who dares to speak out, especially the racist tag. Nail ‘em, you speak the indefensible and then you defend it. Enough.  We know what we heard, we know what we saw, from 2008 until right now.  And we know who incited it all and who continues to orchestrate it. But the clock is ticking and the election is coming.  There’s nothing louder than the sound of a vote being cast.  

  • oowawa

    Hurray for you, jbjd.  You’re a relentless fighter, and you have my respect.

  • Hillary or Bust

    Nail Em Up, you can’t come on to a place like No Quarter, which has more informed readers than the general populace, and throw around stories such as the spit and racial epithets that still have not been proven…and expect to be taken seriously.

    If you’d done your homework, you’d know in the least that Andrew Breitbart had put out a reward of $100,000 for anyone with video evidence that these ALLEGED incidents occurred.

    Reporting these contended stories as “fact” when they are being challenged is irresponsible journalism at best…or in the least, shows that you have based your opinion of the Tea Party on misinformation or little actual research. While you might be able to get away with this sort of thing over at Kos you can’t here. We know better. 

  • Ani

    Donjo,

    I don’t think we can label the entirety of any group of people as saints.  And I agree with you about the internet being a troubled communication forum at times, where people feel free to be extra brazen, even vile, under the protection of the anonymity the net affords them.

    I am for civility in debate at all times.  However, I think the objections many of us voice here have to do with an aversion to seeing an entire group demonized for the actions of the few — especially when that demonization is meant to silence all legitimate criticism. 

    Further this so called “spitting” and “n” word incident that allegedly happened with Pelosi and the CBC has been all but debunked now as a $100,000 reward has been offered and no one (with all the video cameras, camera phones etc. — included JJJr with his two guys accompanying him who had cameras) has stepped forward with evidence to claim it.

    Further even Reps. Cleaver and Lewis have completely backed off their accusations.  I notice the media has not made much hay out of that part of the story — but let the false accusations linger in the atmosphere.

    Of course there are dingbats and crazies in every group but this wholesale condemnation that Pelosi and the media tried to pull off is backfiring, as it should.

    Thanks for your comment.

  • sybilll

    It was a montage about the hate-filled Bush bashing.  May have been not long after the Obama Joker poster surfaced.  My MS makes my memory mush at times, but, I seem to recall it was AGI that compiled it. 

  • Pat Racimora

    Or how someone on Kos posted information about me that could lead to exactly where I live after defiling me as a reacionary and a racist for supportging Hillary.  It became a scary time for my family.

  • oowawa

    What is not reasonable, however, is circulating pictures of the President disguised as a witch doctor, or spitting on and hurling racial and other epithets at Congressmen (or anyone else), or sending images of nooses, or issuing death threats.

    Let’s consider item number 1 here, the charge of “circulating” a picture “of the President disguised as a witch doctor.”  So in your opinion, circulating such a picture is “not reasonable.”  Please note that you have in fact circulated that picture by linking it.  But in fact, I see that picture as being well within the bounds of legitimate political criticism.  After all, we are dealing with a medical bill here which many critics feel is bogus and bad medicine.  Picturing the President as a witch doctor, a quack, is a legitimate sarcastic image to use to express that point.  Or was there something else about the image that you felt was beyond the bounds of legitimate criticism?  Remember, political expression in this country is protected by the first amendment.  This picture is clearly not in the same category as spitting on somebody or issuing a death threat . . .

  • oowawa

    You’re a very persistent fighter, jbjd.  I admire that.

  • Lesbian Teacher

    I have gone to Tea Parties and my family was welcomed and I didn’t see any hate toward my family. I did see a little frustration toward my occupation and/or the Public School system. I am so frustrated with the Tea Partiers being painted with the Homophobic brush! I am not a joiner at all. I have not joined the Democrat or the Republican or any other party. I will not join the Tea Party, although I may go to more of their events. I sm so tired of LABELS in all! Why does it matter if I am a Lesbian or a Teacher?!? Does it mean that I am only going to think one way? of course not! Neither will anyone else! We need to shed the labels and just EXIST! Everyone is so upset, because they don’t feel listened to. That is true on the Left abd on the Right. Instead of shouting at each other, we should lusten to each other!

  • oowawa

    “Funny, but it appears all tea partiers aren’t the saints they’re represented as being.”

    I will agree with this wholeheartedly, just as I would agree with any truism, but I don’t believe I’ve ever heard anyone represent the tea partiers as “saints.”

  • jbjd

    Bl writes, “How do we help keep it alive.”

    By helping me to absorb the expense of dedicating my life to producing this work.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    And we are delighted to have you, sybill!  Thanks for coming, and thanks for staying!

    You are quite right – AGI is the one who did that brilliant montage, replicated above.

  • AbigailAdams

    Docelder:  We have tacky, home-made signs because Soros, Moveon, ACORN, SEIU and a 900MM+ war chest aren’t behind us.  We attended a Tea Party event last month (me, my husband and daughter) on our own dime (personal car, gas, parking expense, food, etc.) as did everyone else there.  Another event, put on by SEIU, had an entire parking lot filled with Greyhound buses from half a country away (for a local government protest), rented meeting spaces, catered food boxes for all attendees, pre-printed signs and tee shirts, a fancy sound system and all the gee-gaws.  Protest in a box. 

    The Tea Party is truly a grassroots uprising and I’m very proud to know these people who care so deeply about their country.  I’ve never seen the kinds of offensive signs or hate speech we are being accused of.  Those who report this kind of stuff are reprehensible.  And if someone can’t make the connection between obama as Hitler, doesn’t know the details of that history.

  • Jackie

    “Cleaver very clearly was not spat upon, but showed himself for the lowlife racist he is in lying about it.”

    That is a sick, sick thing to say.  A man is treated disrespectfully, calls the person on it, and you have the gall to call him a RACIST for it?!

    Whether or not Cleaver was intentionally spit on, if someone shouted at you like that, so hard that spit got all over you, you would assume you were intentionally spit on.  And not once has Cleaver called the man he assumed spit on him a “racist”.  So why is Cleaver now, according to you, a “racist”?  Because he criticized a white man for spitting on him?

    You have a lot of soul-searching to do.

  • Jackie

    Nail ‘em up, I have been to Tea Party events and never once have I seen signs like you are talking about”

    Once again, a Tea Partier falls for the anecdotal fallacy…

  • Jackie

    “I also do think you know nothing about reasonableness in the political arena.”

    Yet you think it’s reasonable to portray our first black president as an African witch doctor.

  • Jackie

    “I’m looking forward to Nail ‘em ups next post with actual pictures that he or she took at an tea party event,”

    Not Nail Em Up’s, but here you go:

    http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/teapartypic.jpg

  • Jackie

    Sarah and Michelle are on Hannity.  They look beautiful in spirit and deed.”

    I just puked a little in my mouth.

  • oowawa

    “Whether or not Cleaver was intentionally spit on, if someone shouted at you like that, so hard that spit got all over you, you would assume you were intentionally spit on.”

    It would make me feel horrible–like a guest on Hardball . . .

  • Buzzlatte

    None of this happened at the Tea Party I attended.  Everyone was respectful but committed to not supporting the Obama agenda.  Police were there and there was NO, I repeat, NO incidence of racism, violence, or hate.

    Leftists are being outed for the cheats and liars they are.  It’s that simple.

  • Buzzlatte

    I assume, as an educator myself, that you meant listen instead of lusten.

  • Guest

    How dreadful!  Rinse thoroughly!

  • Jackie

    $100,000 to the NQ poster who does not mention Andrw Breitbart’s offer of $100,000 for “proof” of the spitting on Cleaver. 

    THIS IS A SERIOUS OFFER.  JUST LIKE BREITBART’S.

  • Jackie

    $100,000 to the NQ poster who does not mention Andrew Breitbart’s offer of $100,000 for “proof” of the spitting on Cleaver.  
     
    THIS IS A SERIOUS OFFER.  JUST LIKE BREITBART’S.

  • Docelder

    I know. It is ridiculous because anybody can show up for pictures. The networks can bus their own lunatics in, and they probably do. There is no real news reporting anymore, it’s all kabuki.

  • BINKY

    What you said…

    I want Nail Em Up to provide evidence of the atrocious acts committed by tea party participants.  And here’s a question for him?  The liberals put the mustache on George Bush and called him a Nazi; someone portrayed Obama as a witch doctor (which I didn’t see).  Childishly, I can point out that “they started it!”

  • BINKY

    Nail Em…where did you research your information?  ”spitting on and hurling racial and other epithets at Congressmen (or anyone else),”

    “This is a serious charge– and one deserving of some serious evidence. But, despite all the media recording devices on the scene, not to mention recording devices among the crowd gathered there, nobody can come up with a single recorded sound to back up that incendiary charge.”  ~Thomas Sowell (Posted by LisaB in the article Racist jumps the shark)

  • )o(

    “Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, sexism, and other hate speech are generally permitted.”

  • candymarl

    Get over yourself.  If yelling at someone is a crime and maybe some spittle flew then most of us would be behind bars.  Go ahead. Play the race card. I’m a descendant of slaves.  Obama comes from a line of slave traders out of Kenya and slave owners on his mother’s side.  Now why would Cleaver defend that?

  • Docelder

    I have seen those pictures of the witch doctor and one as the shamwow guy. These photoshopped pictures are humorous, but not so much as this one of Obama clearing a hurdle. He looks so much more athletic than Bush would look clearing the hurdle… of course Bush would have walked around. :)

  • confused American

    I am getting so Very Frickening tired of those pointing fingers  as if they are the very innocent victims. 
    Look at the past and what the F all the people on the Left have done…Oh my but that was the left..
    It’s ok to be a racist if you are a Democrat
    It’s ok to call a president names if you’re a Democrat
    It’s ok to hang a candidate in effigy if you’re a Democrat…
    It’s ok to burn our flag if you are a Democrat
     
    Give me a F……ing Break …..
     
    It don’t matter who or what you are ITS NOT RIGHT….
    Its not ok if you a Democrat, Republican, Green Party Tea Party or whatevery..
    ITS NOT RIGHT….
     
    Clean up your own F…..ing house first before you start pointing fingers at someone else’s house, even if it is dirty too.
     
    Right now I see a party that I once loved so much, that is now so  full of criminal crap everyone around the world can smell it…All one has to do anymore is read or listen to another country’s media to know that every other country can smell the stench of government corruption and  what is being done to our country by the current administration
     
    Thank God that some of us Americans have finally woken up before it has gotten  too late…I say Thank God that many more Americans are waking up every day to bring back our country to what it was created for. Thank God for the many people on here, the Tea Party and ??? who are willing to give their time so that our country will not go down the crapper.

    Yes  I am  F…….. Mad

  • confused American

    The majority of Teachers are getting a bum rap…for the small % that are screwing up our all ready screwed ductaional system.

    TY LesbianTeacher for what you do to try and make our world a better place.

    This broad painting of any group has got to stop….

  • confused American

    Almost everyone group has some werido, ever church groups..

    Jesus might have been perfect…but look at the group of apostles that followed him….

  • TeakWoodKite

     legal definition of slander;

    An untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person’s reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media — for example, over the radio or on TV — it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience. Both libel and slander are forms of defamation.

    Nail’ em, what about it?

  • confused American

    I have not found a group yet that is 100% perfect….
     
    Jesus was one very righteous guy without sin,….but take a look at the apostles that followed him….

  • Retired

    Ultimately, the Tea Party will be responsible for their own success or failure.  Those of their opponents who try to surface the straw man of racism in the vain hope that Americans are stupid enough to buy this without any evidence are headed for disappointment.  We elected Obama like love-blinded virgins, without looking at his resume, transcripts or record of past performance.  We got fooled.  I doubt that this will happen again, at least in my lifetime.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    So Nail – Where were you and your sense of respectibility when George W Bush was being threatened an hung in effigy by your cronies on the left? Where was your outrage then?

    This sort of political speech offends you so much you must have blogged about it in defense of Bush, right? Please provide a link to your blogs criticising Bush haters.

    <img src=”http://www.zombietime.com/us_out_of_iraq_now_sf_3-18-2007/IMG_2416.JPG”/>

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    So Nail – Where were you and your sense of respectibility when George W Bush was being threatened an hung in effigy by your cronies on the left? Where was your outrage then?

    This sort of political speech offends you so much you must have blogged about it in defense of Bush, right? Please provide a link to your blogs criticising Bush haters.

    I won’t go to the trouble of posting many. Just google Anti Bush Signs.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    You owe me $100k. Pony up!

  • Buzzlatte

    Me too!  I want that $100,000 dollars right now, Jackie.  C’mon cough it up!  

    Oh, another empty promise – just like Obama’s empty promises!

    Good job, Jackie.  You just outed yourself once again!

  • Buzzlatte

    Wow!  Anus tried to make sense but had to copy someone else’s words.
    Next time, cite the source.

  • Buzzlatte

    Now you’ve got the liberal mindset.  

    1)  They will tell you how to act.

    2)  They will tell you what to do.

    3)  They will judge you with words ant thoughts that they are incapable of applying to themselves even though they are just as guilty.

    4)  They are completely incapable of introspection regarding their own behavior, judgements, or actions.

    5)  It’s ALWAYS all about blaming the other guy.

    6)  Responsibility is not a highly valued ideal in their world.

  • Visitor

    Andrew Breitbart offering a reward? Considering that 2 attorneys general have come forward and said that the ACORN tapes he released to the media were heavily edited and grossly misleading, and that his little protege is facing jail time for his latest “journalistic” stunt, maybe he should show some sense of shame and stay quiet. Besides, OJ Simpson offered a reward for information leading to the “real killer.”  Parents who kill their kids offer rewards.  Offering money for information doesn’t mean anything, sorry.

    A lot of people are making excuses for the sickening behavior of the most radical elements of the tea party attendees. That’s a shame. 

    I wonder where these Tea Party activists were when the Republicans were passing TARP and running up huge deficits?

    And to those who ask where’s the anger over the Bush signs, read the post again. The left wing doesn’t get a free pass.

    I can’t help but wonder what would happen if a group of Muslims showed up at one of these rallies carrying weapons, er, exercising their Second Amendment rights?

  • Visitor

    Confused American writes “It don’t matter who or what you are ITS NOT RIGHT” — I guess unless you’re a Tea Party member

  • Visitor

    The question is not whether it’s permitted. No one is suggesting repealing the First Amendment. No one is arguing for a ban. 

  • Visitor

    And to those who continue to defend these tactics, please explain your defense of this:

    “On Monday night, one of the the (Congressman Steve Cohen’s) campaign offices received an e-mail from a Yahoo! account that read: “If our tea parties had hoods, we would burn your ass on a cross on the White House lawn.”

    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/rep-cohen-received-e-mail-threats-after-anti-tea-party-comments.php

    Anyone want to cheer on this sort of behavior?  

  • Visitor

    So the links provided in both articles weren’t proof enough?  Then you’ll never believe anything you don’t want to believe, even when you’re shown concrete evidence and see it with your own eyes.  It’s nice that the tea party you went to was civilized. Many aren’t. 

  • Wow, just wow

    Are there still some birthers left out there?  

  • Wow, just wow

    Jackie: There’s no reasoning with some of these commenters.  Everyone has seen the hateful signs displayed at some of these rallies.  The apologists want to stick their heads in the sand while sticking their fingers in their ears and singing “la la la.”  It’s hopeless.

  • Wow, just wow

    Interesting. I’ve never seen Barack Obama give a press conference or attend an official function carrying a spear and wearing a bone through his nose.  I suppose if you saw a poster with George Bush wearing a Klan outfit you’d say “but that’s not a disguise!  I can see it’s George Bush!”  Uh, yeah, but it’s a DISGUISE. Ridiculous. 

  • sarainitaly

    Perhaps it was one of these:
    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/imaginehad-somebody-walked-around-with-images-of-hitler/

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/09/10/people-really-do-have-the-shortest-memories/

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/08/08/did-obama-joker-poster-cross-the-line/

    You can click on the writers name, under the story, and see all of their stories – this might help you in the future if you are looking for something particular. :O)

  • Wow, just wow

    Buzzlatte: You’re very paranoid. No one has said or written how you should act or what you should do, unless expecting people to be civil is considered unreasonable.  Speaking for myself, I’ve never threated to kill anyone, I’ve never called anyone a “faggot” (ask Barney Frank about that), or faxed a drawing of a noose to anyone. 

  • whoframedrudy

    “The Tea Party’s message of smaller government and fiscal responsibility is being deliberately drowned out by Obama media drones’ distorted focus on the movement’s most extreme elements.” 

     
    There, that’s better.

  • sarainitaly

    Well Visitor – The media did show edited versions of the tapes, but the entire tapes and transcripts were available since day one. The media outlets had access to the entire tapes – but aired edited versions. 

    Anyone who went to Big Government.com could see the entire tapes, and read the transcripts, as I did. The guy who said they were edited also said months ago that he wouldn’t ever charge ACORN and that he would charge OKeefe and Hannah – before he even looked at anything. 

    What news outlet doesn’t show edited tape when presenting a story?  

    “A lot of people are making excuses for the sickening behavior of the most radical elements of the tea party attendees” – Who is making excuses for them?

  • sarainitaly

    Who here has said they want to cheer on that behavior? 

    What you, however, are overlooking, are the vile comments that Cohen made that caused that email reply.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4140620/racism-claims-about-tea-partiers/?playlist_id=87651

  • elizabethrc

    Jackie:  Yes, I DO call him racist because the footage shows no attempt to spit on him on purpose and he used the occasion to manufacture racial outrage where none existed. If racism exists in this instance, it would definitely be Cleaver who initiated it.  Open your eyes!
    Your logic is pathetic and if you will take a moment off from your ‘make excuses for the lying behaviour of your fellow blacks at all costs’, you might learn something.  The pass that blacks have gotten is coming to an end.  Accountability is the coming rule of the day.
    Only YOU and those like you who are looking to manufacture any excuse to attack whites, would assume to be intentionally spat upon.
    Treated disrespectfully?  That whole crew of black caucus people could have taken the tunnel to get where they were going, but no, they chose to walk right through a crowd of people they knew were opposed to their healthcare bill.  I’d call that disrespectful and designed for the purpose of angering them. That would be confrontational, since those were voters (who have a Constitutional right to protest) for whom they showed incredible disdain.
    I am not calling him racist for anything other than his obvious attempt to manufacture a moment of made up outrage. 
    No, I would not look for racial grievances like you if I WERE spat upon in the manner you suggest, I would NOT assume it was intentional, but then, I believe in applying the rule of logic and you do not.
    Please understand that the public is finally getting it…blacks are going to continue to try to manipulate whites and it’s just not going to work anymore.   
    If anyone around here needs to soul search, that would be you, dear. 

  • Wow, just wow

    The apologists are either a) denying that any hateful behavior is happening, and/or b) excusing it by bringing up anti-Bush signs. “Overlooking” “vile comments?”  So in your universe, free speech should be smacked down with threats of “burning your ass on a cross?”  What about anti-choice fanatics shooting abortion providers?  They have a beef too.  Is that justified?  Your comment makes the mind reel.  

  • elizabethrc

    People forget how Bush, for whom I have no love lost, was vilified in word and in print, with posters showing him as Hitler, among many other manifestations.  Public memory is both short and convenient.

  • Wow, just wow

    Who’s making excuses? Almost every single commenter here. Go back and read the comments. When people deny that there is an element of racism in the Tea Party movement (just as there’s anti-Semitism clearly visible at A.N.S.W.E.R. rallies), demand to see proof that offensive signs were displayed (a simple Google search will turn up a treasure trove of offensive signs), and then try to change the subject by bringing up anti-Bush rallies (when the original post makes no excuses for radical left-wing behavior), or people who say the Tea Party gatherings are fine because they’ve been to one and nothing happened (which proves nothing about such demonstrations around the country) you have a group of people making excuses.

    There’s a difference between editing tape to make a story shorter and editing tape to completely distort the original meaning of what was said.  The trafficking segment, for example, did not include the information that the guy they were talking to in San Diego got all their information so he could later call the police to report O’Keefe and his buddy.  

  • elizabethrc

    With the dreadful job he’s doing and the unacceptable way he is trying to change this country (look at his plummeting poll numbers), your ‘first black president’ will likely by your last black president.
    He is not equipped to do the job.

  • Guest

    I don’t want to malign a movement whose goals I largely argree with…but seriously, where were the protests before?

    Why weren’t the Republicans holding Tea Parties when Bush proposed his 3.1 trillion dollar budget?  Which did not even include Iraq spending. He was allowed to keep that number separate and secret for national security reasons. That disaster will probably wind up costing the U.S. $3 trillion. It would be nice if some of these Tea Party protesters asked for an immediate halt to the $10 billion a month that America continues to squander in Iraq every month to this day. 

    Like I said, where were these “tea party” protesters during the Bush years? Where were they when Bush was handing out billions of our tax dollars to his wealthy friends? Where were they when Dick Cheney’s former company, Halliburton, was pocketing billions of dollars in closed, no-bid contracts? Where were they when $12 billion in cash disappeared without a trace after it was shipped to Iraq?

    During Bush’s presidency we went from a budget surplus to double the national debt in 8 years. Under Bush, the national debt grew by more than $4 trillion: the biggest debt increase of any president in U.S. history. There weren’t any tea party protests then. We spent a trillion dollars in the war in Iraq, and these Tea Partiers didn’t protest.

  • elizabethrc

    Provide proof that this was at a Tea Party event and that this was a protester and not a planted provocateur.  How about the story that goes along with the picture?
    That particular protestor is obviously a stupid, stupid person, but for which side is he being stupid?

  • Lesbian Teacher

    I know there is the saying that “one apple ruins the whloe bunch” or you are the company you keep. But the experience I have had in my life is that it’s not the mistakes you make that guide your true person. Instead, it is what you do with those mistakes that make the true person. In other words, it’s not what happens in life but how you react to it! I don’t care if one or two people do bad things at a Tea Party, but I am watching how the Tea Party reacts. I think the Tea Party has done a great job!

  • elizabethrc

    Careful, you’re beginning to show your true, ugly self. Jackie.

  • elizabethrc

    And just how, in your infinite wisdom, do you know that Breitbart’s offer is not serious?  You really need to stop spouting off nonsense.

  • Docelder

    Because it’s not really about taxes, but about having representation and feeling that they have a voice. Congress no longer listens to the people which has become apparent to TEA party people just recently. Maybe some people on the left felt that way under Bush. Well middle America feels that way now apparently and it crosses a lot of existing divisive lines. I have never been to a TEA party. Right now it is more of a stress relief valve for participants than anything with teeth. That may change. I hope it does, because I feel the system now is broken. The system now does not represent regular people… only corporations and organizations with lobbyists. Regular people don’t have lobbyists and therefore no longer have a voice or even a mechanism to be heard. The TEA party is a symptm of this broken system.

  • elizabethrc

    It’s apparently also ok for a president to publicly ridicule the Republican party.  He continues to make his oh, so clever jokes about those who disagree with his policies.  This is not a big man, but a small minded, thin skinned amateur.

  • Docelder

    Why now does everything have race as it’s most important underlying component? Did race not exist under Bush or Clinton? People act like everything was fine up until we elected a black President. That is ridiculous. Also ridiculous is that this President is going to heal us on matters of race. That he was elected to start with says volumes about how race issues have improved in this country. That our sitting President has done nothing to stop this increase in media induced racism hype speaks volumes to his character, or lack of it.

  • Guest

    I don’t believe for a second the Tea Party movement would be so generous as a competitive party in power with actual responsibility, but organizers in our area have set the following ground rules and it is quite a refreshing change from recent incivility and polarization in American civic life.

    No names will be allowed on participants’ political signs “because we’re not attacking people,” said Balogh. “No slander, no slurs, no advocating violence. Just addressing the issues, that’s all the signs are allowed to do. We’re not attacking individuals, we’re attacking government as a whole.”

  • confused American

    Visitor you might want to take a look at the Maxine Waters video……Hmmmm I wonder what they were up to..
     
    As for racist slurs…Prove it or Shut Up……
    I believed the “N word” was shouted when I first heard the news.  I thought some idiot/s screwed up…and feeling assured that all the rest around the person/s had reprimanded that person/s. Turns out there is no person/s to reprimand.(I truly now believe that if the “N word” had been shouted there would be video  or tape by now, especially if it had been shouted as many times the black representatives said).
     
    I will agree some of the signs go overboard, but some of the signs from the liberals over the years have too, even now groups associated with the liberal agenda go overboard  …. Main difference is there is just more screaming and false accusations  from the left right now against any group that does not walk lockstep with the current administration.
     
    I suppose the burning of our flag by an anti-war group…I can guarantee that that was not a Tea Party member…
    Or how about the purposeful hanging of our flag upside down beneath another country’s flag..I can guarantee that was not a Tea Party Member…(By the way this is recent stuff too).
     
    It’s not right no matter what group you belong to…Tea Party, the Pinks, Green Party, Republican Party, Democratic Party, anti-war, Hispanics for amnesty  group and the list goes on….
     
    But what is worse is when elected people falsely claim things that did not happen…It only creates more pandemonium…

    To answer your question visitor I am not an official Tea Party Member…I have gone to a couple of rallys…
    I am officially still registered as a Democrat….A party  I was quite proud of  but since 2008 my eyes have been opened.

  • confused American

    Some people have gotten arrested and or detained for Obama signs and/or bumper stickers  that are identical to GW signs and/or bumper stickers.

    The only difference was the name in the sign…I found that interesting.

  • confused American

    You might want to re-read all the stories about the San Diego story…Even the police department is not supporting the ACORN guy…

    There’s a good chance that there are some really extreme fringe people in the Tea Party, just as with any organization…
    But the Tea Party being racist overall—-NO!!!!

    Just take a look at the war demonstrations over the same weekend as the DC Tea Party Rally….There were quite a few extreme fringe people in that group…all one had to do is see the cheering for the burning of our flag to see the Extreme people in that group.

  • TiredOfSufferingFoolsGladly

    Jackie, wow, just wow, just Jackie, wow, Jackie, wow.

    Both of you go to hell.

  • Breeze

    Radicals march and protest, but it is against America as the Founders established it.
    Tea Partiers march and protest for the Founders’ vision!

    Radicals burn the flag,
    Tea Partiers pledge allegiance to it.

    They vilify the military,
    Tea partiers profoundly support it;

    they call the police pigs,
    we cheer the police;

    they promote destructive lifestyles,
    Tea Partiers celebrate traditional lifestyles and work ethic!

  • Docelder

    The TEA party isn’t organized at all, and what you are seeing is the result of that disorganization. If they did have a leader and did organize, they would be able to defend themselves from astroturfed attendees put there to embarrass the whole group. But when people take their own signs and nobody knows who belongs or not… then the media can self create any story about them they want to. And they are doing that. The TEA party is a symptom of people not feeling represented right now. Calling them racists and hicks isn’t going to help. It will just fuel more of them. The powers that be need to address the cause… people don’t feel represented by congress. that is the cause.

  • NoBama

    “The Tea Party’s message of smaller government and fiscal responsibility is being drowned out by the movement’s most extreme elements.” 

    You wish.

    We know that the extreme left (who are in power) would like to paint the tea party as a racist, extremist movement.  Unfortunately for everyone who’s promulgating your theory–it’s backfiring. 

    Too many people know someone who went to a tea party.  They know their politics and their feelings on the matter.  Many of the people at the party actually voted for Obama!  IMO, the more that it’s portrayed as an angry mob, the larger the movement becomes.  People don’t like liars–much less opportunistic slanderers.

    “The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 52% of U.S. voters believe the average member of the Tea Party movement has a better understanding of the issues facing America today than the average member of Congress. Only 30% believe that those in Congress have a better understanding of the key issues facing the nation.
    When it comes to those issues, 47% think that their own political views are closer to those of the average Tea Party member than to the views of the average member of Congress. On this point, 26% feel closer to Congress.
    Finally, 46% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is more ethical than the average member of Congress. Twenty-seven percent (27%) say that the average member of Congress is more ethical.”http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2010/most_say_tea_party_has_better_understanding_of_issues_than_congress

    I have to give you credit for trying again with the readers of NQ.  On the other hand, we’ve been in the belly-of-the-beast since the Dem primaries so we know how this game is played.

  • carol haka

    Actually, I believe you could probably find Byrd and a lot of other Democrats in Klan outfits if you took the time to look.  After all, the Democrats were the party of the Klan.

    And, today the Democrats spend all of their time and money keeping Blacks in poor schools, slum neighborhoods, drink, drug and tobacco addicted, and popping out the kids they will never be able to support.

    Take a look at the success of Obama’s slum districts in Chicago.  Sickening.

    I personally want people to rise to their best potential.  The Democrats are only interested in “driving them to multiple polling areas during an election”.  Community Organizing – SCAM!

    >:o

  • carol haka

    And, in Dallas, yearssssssssssssssssssssssss ago that stop letting Liquor companies post advertising and billboards in our poorest neighborhoods.

    >:o

  • Guest

    The frustration and helplessness of the Bush years was just as manifest and broad-based as it is today or he wouldn’t have left with a 22% approval, but I think most people still had faith in the election process. With those promises in ruins and the ensuing collapse of the finacial system, an outsiders movement has effectively tapped into a great disillusionment with Obama and his Democratic Party

    Plus, Bush wasn’t popularly viewed as someone with serious mental issues purposely driving this country into the ground. Believing he was on a mission from God to send us into a ruinous state from which it would be impossible to recover. There wasn’t the sense he was an interloper changing the very nature and fabric of this country.

  • Docelder

    You know if the TEA party was organized and if everybody had the same signs premade… and if the signs then were racist or hateful I would agree with some of these posters. But that isn’t the case. TEA people are mostly just venting steam because they have no other outlet to do that. They don’t feel represented by congress and they feel out of control and making a sign and showiing up at an event feels good. Cut them some slack.

  • carol haka

    That picture is real from a Tea Party.  I’m seen it before.  And, it is an idiot just looking for publicity.

    He’s not one of ours.  He’s an idiot.

    >:o

  • carol haka

    Good, Good.  You and your ignorant comments make me puke daily.

    :-D

  • carol haka

    Pat – you know I am a saint. O:-)

    And, you know I am a tea partier. O:-)

    :-D

  • carol haka

    No, that is called “racism”.

    Damn this post racial era is exhausting!

    >:o

  • Guest

    Candidates are already starting to align themselves with the Tea Party movement. They will need all the help it can get controlling its public image and using the media space to its advantage.

  • sarainitaly

    “Your comment makes the mind reel.”  Thinking hurts?

    Falsely accusing people of being members of the KKK, and calling them racist, homophobes, and clones of  George Wallace’s fan club are vile comments. 

    IF hateful behavior happens, which so far has not been proven (on the day of the bill passing), or happens very very rarely, it is condemned. The issue is the FALSE charges, and the focusing on the very small percentage of wackos to undermine the entire movement. 

    Should someone email Cohen saying they would burn him on a cross? No. But he shouldn’t have made the vile attacks that he did, which led to that vile comment.

  • Breeze

    HILLBUZZ POSTER:

    Vidsweet Says:
    April 8, 2010 at 6:47 am

    ….Even more reason to energize the Tea Partiers.
    So I made a new Video as tribute to Tea Party!

     “We The People Take Power Back”.

    Please SPREAD link via email, blogs, forum comments, FB, Twitter!!! Ratings and… Comments are welcome.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omc7y98swY

  • Docelder

    I agree the TEA party and the press surrounding it has to be managed. Because right now the coverage is either that there are just dozens of people attending… or that there are unruly mobs of radicals attending. The press has completely missed the point. That point being that regular America no longer feels represented by congress and no longer feels like the system works for them anymore. The press is tone deaf because they let the administration set the press narrative and in turn the administration is tone deaf because they get their own information from that same press. They are validating one another right into failure.

  • Jackie

    I want to thank you for speaking your mind candidly, elizabethrc.  It is a rare to see someone like yourself display their bigotry so boldly.  It makes discussing your views and motives much simpler.  Let’s go over some of your greatest hits here, shall we?

    “Your logic is pathetic and if you will take a moment off from your ‘make excuses for the lying behaviour of your fellow blacks at all costs’, you might learn something.  The pass that blacks have gotten is coming to an end.”

    WOW.  “The pass that blacks have gotten is coming to an end”.  You harbor a lot of anger towards black people, don’t you?  Not even some “blacks”, or those particular “blacks” you disagree with on the issues, but no: for you, it’s all “blacks” who are getting “a pass”.

    “Only YOU and those like you who are looking to manufacture any excuse to attack whites, would assume to be intentionally spat upon.”

    Wake up call: I AM A WHITE PERSON.

    “That whole crew of black caucus people could have taken the tunnel to get where they were going, but no, they chose to walk right through a crowd of people they knew were opposed to their healthcare bill.  I’d call that disrespectful and designed for the purpose of angering them. That would be confrontational, since those were voters (who have a Constitutional right to protest) for whom they showed incredible disdain.”

    Are you saying that black people shouldn’t walk through crowds of angry white people?  In case they “provoke” them?  I thought you originally said no one was provoked?  Now it sounds like you’re having it both ways: “No one was intentionally spat on, BUT EVEN IF THEY WERE, THOSE BLACK PEOPLE HAD IT COMING.  BECAUSE THEY WALKED THROUGH AN ANGRY WHITE MOB!  WHAT NERVE!”

    “Please understand that the public is finally getting it…blacks are going to continue to try to manipulate whites and it’s just not going to work anymore.”

    Once again, your crystal clear words speak for themselves.  You have a lot of very unhealthy anger stored up against black people.  You think all “blacks” are trying to “manipulate whites”.  You need some counseling.

  • cat

    Nail em up, you have wasted enough of my time with your utter nonsense and this is the last post of yours that I will read.
    buh bye.

  • cat

    The reports of racist epithets having been hurled during the recent Tea Party demonstration against Obamacare are accurate after all, as it turns out. But the targets of these racial slurs were not black members of Congress, as the mainstream media has been so enamored of reporting, even though no evidence has been produced. What is more, the name calling has not come from within the ranks of the opposition movement but toward its members.
    “Oreos,” “traitors,” and “Uncle Toms“ are just a few of the ugly names that black conservatives have been called for having the audacity to oppose the nation’s first black president.

    The Greenroom » Forum Archive » Hate Speech Directed at Black Members of the Tea Party Movement

  • Jackie

    It’s apparently also ok for a president to publicly ridicule the Republican party.”

    Um, of course it is!  That’s HIS OPPOSITION.  This is what politicians do: deconstruct and ridicule the opposition’s notions of governance.  Have you ever actually paid attention to politics before this year?

  • HC123

    Prove what? That some people are morons?

    Shocking news! Some people are morons. Say that several times while looking in a mirror.

  • Yttik

    “Wake up call: I AM A WHITE PERSON. “

    That’s become rather obvious from your posts that always seem to obsess over skin color.

    You might want to consider how it makes people feel to be constantly reminded of bigotry and racism. I’ll give you a hint, it makes people feel like they’re second class citizens, like victims, and you’re never going to let them forget it. People cannot simply live their lives, they can’t simply debate on a message board, without you coming along to remind people about how much they are hated and oppressed.

  • Yttik

    Think about the inherant racism in what you are saying, Jackie. There is nothing wrong with being an African witch doctor. You’re acting like connecting Obama to anything African or black is a great insult. As is typical of this kind of crap, Obama’s praise must come in the form of admiring him as Matthews did, “He’s so good, I almost forgot he was black.”

  • Docelder

    Race, religion, abortion… all tools to divide real people who would otherwise agree on 90% of other real stuff.

  • Docelder

    Presidents didn’t used to do that. They hold the most powerful office in the world. Obama doesn’t understand that power not having actually earned it to begin with. But people never respect the things given them that they don’t have to work for.

  • Jackie

    “That’s become rather obvious from your posts that always seem to obsess over skin color.”

    You obviously did not even bother to read the post I was responding to, or you would understand the context.  The person I was responding to assumed I was black, and that I was in cahoots with my “fellow blacks” to “attack whites”.  I simply needed to point out to them that I am white, so, contra their deeply bigoted, paranoid conspiracy theories, I am not a member of this group they are obviously deeply afraid of.

    The person I responded to believes that all “blacks are trying to manipulate whites”.  You should be condemning them for their racist remarks, instead of coming after me for…what, I don’t even know.

  • Yttik

    “I am not a member of this group they are obviously deeply afraid of.”

    Yes, that’s quite obvious. Heaven forbid you ever come down off your high horse and view yourself as part of “that” group.

  • carol haka

    We were sending out emergency signals that Hillary won the Primary.

    Where the fuck were you?

    >:o

  • Hope

    The links do not prove that Tea Party protest did anything wrong. Being accused of something is not proof. If you are so qualified to judge the intentions and moralilty of others, please enlighten everyone on your opinion of race baiting, lying for political gain, and slander.

  • Hope

    The links do not prove that Tea Party protesters did anything wrong. Being accused of something is not proof. If you are so qualified to judge the intentions and moralilty of others, please enlighten everyone on your opinion of race baiting, lying for political gain, and slander.

  • Buzzlatte

    Nope, just experienced.  Too, too many years spent in a state overrun with liberals and guilty -in the past – of thinking that the demo/liberal way was the only right way.

    Not paranoid – just realistic.

  • Hope

    Yes, it seems Michelle Obam is one. She claims Kenya is her husband’s homeland. ( Video easily found by search.)

  • Hope

    Yes, it seems Michelle Obama is one. She claims Kenya is her husband’s homeland. (Video is easily found by search.)

  • Buzzlatte

    rasmussen reports:  generic question on national survey:  Who more closely aligns with your politics?

    Tea Party 48%   Obama  44%

    Mainstream America:  63%  more closely align with Tea Party than the so-called -political class.

    Whatever your feelings about the tea party, wjw, it’s having an undeniable effect on the nation and is supplying an avenue for expressing what the majority of americans will or will not tolerate.

  • Buzzlatte

    I’d say it was a case of Action begets Reaction.   See?  Prime example of how the left is unable to dissect and own their own behavior and come up with how it might get the reaction it did.

  • Buzzlatte

    Bush is in the past.  Get over it.  You own a stink bomb of a president and all these questions and more are going to be asked when Teh One is out of office.  So start formulating those rationalizations right now, Jackie and Guest, and WJW, because you are going to need them – and a whole shytload MORE.

  • Hope

    You are right. On the bright side, Tea Party people shouldn’t be so offended- the libs play the race card on eachother, too- just ask the Clintons. No one is immune from their dirty , underhanded tactics- they certainly couldn’t win an argument on the merits of their positions, lol.

  • Jackie

    “Obama doesn’t understand that power not having actually earned it to begin with.”

    He won the presidency by about a 10 million vote margin.  Saying he didn’t earn it doesn’t quite make sense.

    “But people never respect the things given them that they don’t have to work for.”

    Right.  He only campaigned his life out for 2 years prior to winning the presidency.

  • Buzzlatte

    Only whiny, narcissistic presidents do, Jackie.  I suspect you haven’t paid much attention to politics until Obama morphed into your brain.  He’s not an example of a president by any stretch of the imagination.

  • helenk

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/08/tea-party-movement-attempts-to-unite/?fbid=1yjHC6M0y_P

    It will happen they want to get organised and have all people’s  voices heard.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLGIENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Hope

     The apologists want to stick their heads in the sand while sticking their fingers in their ears and singing “la la la.”  It’s hopeless.

    Ain’t that the pot calling the kettle black?

    That describes every Obama lemming.
    Obama & Congress commit:
    Corruption- lalala
    Lying- lalala
    Stealing taxpayer money- lalala
    Backroom deals- lalala
    Unconstitutional saddling of future generations with debt- lalala
    Weakening of America’s defense- lalala
    Appeasing terrorists- lalala
    Insulting allies- lalala
    Hiding records- lalala
    Passing legislation against the direct will of the people- lalala
    Calling American citizens vile names- lalala
    and so on, and so on

    Liberals will never have any moral ground to stand on, still they sing- lalala.

  • AC

    Wow, just wow and Jackie
    Do you and the other dummies know what the word disguise means?
    Where are these intelligent people that voted for Obama.

  • Jackie

    Only whiny, narcissistic presidents do, Jackie.  I suspect you haven’t paid much attention to politics until Obama morphed into your brain.  He’s not an example of a president by any stretch of the imagination.”

    If you actually believe that presidents throughout our history have not routinely and relentlessly fought publicly with their opposition, then it is you, my friend, who has not “paid much attention to politics”.

  • Carlaforhillary

    “I’m looking forward to Nail ‘em ups next post with actual pictures that he or she took at an tea party event.” 

    Jackie – what part of my statement do you not understand? 

    With respect to the picture – nd your point is what - Someone is making a point so that people like you and Nail ‘em up can use them to try and prove their pointless points and they can get their kicks by seeing themselves on the internet. wow.  

    One picture out of the thousands of people that are tea party people and the whole group is bad? K……there is always a fringe element  out there.  I don’t know take, Islamic Radicals – we rail against not hating all Muslims just b/c there a few Islamic Radicals out there (9/11, for example) but yet we have no problem with damning the entire tea party b/c of a few knuckleheads.

    As I have stated before, the reason I and so many other people here were upset with Nail ‘em up’s post is b/c it reminded us of the bashing we took as Hillary supporters. And I’ve had enough.

    If you don’t like the tea party, I don’t care. But I really don’t need your snarky little replies. I saw the pic you posted yesterday, and Nail ‘em up does not have the source listed for the pic, so therefore, it is null and void as a source – and…he or she wasn’t there at that particular function, so it means nothing to me.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Well, LT, everyone seems to be tarred with the company they keep except OBAMA.  He can hang out with rampant homophobes who PREACH homophobia (his BFF, James Meeks), run around SC with a “cured homosexual” who has some of the most intolerant, homophobic videos you never want to see (Donnie McClurkin), Jeremiah Wright with his blatant racist, elitist diatribes, then there is Pastor Rick Warren, another homophobe, add to that domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and his “lovely wife,” plus there’s Louis Farrakhan, Blogojevich, and on and on and on it goes.

    Yet, with only innunendo and NO evidence, a group of Americans exercising their CONSTITUTIONAL rights, are being smeared by the liberals, including the media, in this country.  It begs the question: WHY???  WHY are they so threatened by them?

    And, it also begs THIS question: Will they EVER admit the incredibly hypocrisy under which they operate?

    Yeah, I think we are seeing the answer to that second question right here…

  • TeakWoodKite

    “some of these commenters”…

    “Let me take you down, ’cause I am going to….”

  • Carlaforhillary

    @ Elizabethrc – Thank you for your reply to Jackie.  I just came back onto the blog to state what you just said.  Since I am not as insidious as Obots, it automatically did not occur to me that this person could easily be a plant from the left.   So…please provide proof of who this person is and what party they are from.

  • Carlaforhillary

    Needed to add this:  Please prove that this person is not a plant from the left to make the Tea party look bad. And don’t tell me Obots wouldn’t do something like that.  We were totally harrassd in Philly by SEIU people and someone defecated in the Hillary Clinton volunteer box at one of the college campus’ when Hillary Volunteers were there. So, I know for a fact  Obots would pull a stunt like that picture.

  • Fudgefactor

    Nail. You didn’t get the memo? The comment threads at NQ are now controlled by the GOP underground, er, Tea Bag, er Tea Party. You will comply.

  • whoframedrudy

    “To ignore the extreme elements of the Tea Party is to do an injustice to those decent people who want to have their voices heard.”
     
    To emphasize and focus on the extreme elements of the Tea Party is an injustice to those decent people, and a pretext for suppressing free speech.
     
    “Anyone who defends such behavior should hang their head in shame.”  That would include Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall and William O. Douglas, the great liberal Supreme Court justices who defended the free speech of far worse than the Tea Party in Brandenburg v. Ohio.
     
    We already heard this line before.  Ex-President Jimmy Carter first called the entire Tea Party racist.  When called on the stupidity of his comments, he retreated to this ‘fringe elements’ bullshit. What you are doing is no different than calling the cop-murdering Black Liberation Army an ‘extreme element’ of the Civil Rights Movement.  It’s a transparent smear and suppression tactic and you’re not fooling anyone at NQ.
     
    In ACT-UP, we were taught that ‘Silence=Death.’  You’re not worried about the volume or the ‘fringe elements.’  You’re worried about the political power.  You want the Tea Party to be quiet and ‘reasonable’, by which you really mean ‘docile and ineffective’ so the Democrats can escape the political fall-out for their deficit blimp and their attempted ‘Cultural Revolution.’

  • whoframedrudy

    “To ignore the extreme elements of the Tea Party is to do an injustice to those decent people who want to have their voices heard.” 
     
    To emphasize and focus on the extreme elements of the Tea Party is an injustice to those decent people, and a pretext for suppressing free speech.
     
    “Anyone who defends such behavior should hang their head in shame.”  That would include Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall and William O. Douglas, the great liberal Supreme Court justices who defended the free speech of far worse than the Tea Party in Brandenburg v. Ohio.  
     
    We already heard this line.  Ex-President Jimmy Carter first called the entire Tea Party racist.  When called out on his ‘race card’ lies, he retreated to this ‘fringe elements’ bullshit. What you are doing is no different than calling the cop-murdering Black Liberation Army an ‘extreme element’ of the Civil Rights Movement.  It’s a transparent smear and suppression tactic and you’re not fooling anyone at NQ. 
     
    In ACT-UP, we were taught that ‘Silence=Death.’  You’re not worried about the volume or the ‘fringe elements.’  You’re worried about the political power.  You want the Tea Party to be quiet and ‘reasonable’, by which you really mean ‘docile and ineffective’ so the Democrats can escape the political fall-out for their deficit blimp and their attempted ‘Cultural Revolution.’ 

  • whoframedrudy

    “To ignore the extreme elements of the Tea Party is to do an injustice to those decent people who want to have their voices heard.” 
    To emphasize and focus on the extreme elements of the Tea Party is an injustice to those decent people, and a pretext for suppressing free speech.
    “Anyone who defends such behavior should hang their head in shame.”  Your ‘hall of shame’ would include Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall and William O. Douglas, the great liberal Supreme Court justices who defended the free speech of far worse than the Tea Party in Brandenburg v. Ohio.  
    We already heard this line.  Ex-President Jimmy Carter first called the entire Tea Party racist.  When called out on his ‘race card’ lies, he retreated to this ‘fringe elements’ bullshit. What you are doing is no different than calling the cop-murdering Black Liberation Army an ‘extreme element’ of the Civil Rights Movement.  It’s a transparent smear and suppression tactic and you’re not fooling anyone at NQ. 
    In ACT-UP, we were taught that ‘Silence=Death.’  You’re not worried about the volume or the ‘fringe elements.’  You’re worried about the political power.  You want the Tea Party to be quiet and ‘reasonable’, by which you really mean ‘docile and ineffective’ so the Democrats can escape the political fall-out for their deficit blimp and their attempted ‘Cultural Revolution.’ 

  • whoframedrudy

    “What is not reasonable is circulating pictures of the President disguised as a witch doctor …”

    How about sponsoring a photograph of Jesus Christ in a glass of urine?  ’Piss Christ’ was shocking and offensive to the religious faith of devout Christians, yet the Left openly supported ‘Piss Christ’, demanding that such art be funded by taxpayers through the National Endowment of the Arts.  ’Piss Christ’ was not some anonymous e-mail that might just as easily have been planted as part of the orchestrated slander against the Tea Party.  ’Piss Christ’ was openly embraced and championed by the Left.

blog comments powered by Disqus