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Did Congress Screw Itself Out Of Healthcare?

Remember when Nancy Pelosi said Congress needed to pass healthcare so we could see what’s in it? Remember when she and her cohorts said we’d love it once we understood it better? She may yet change her tune. Robert Pear of the New York Times states…

…the new health care law will affect almost every American in some way. And, perhaps fittingly if unintentionally, no one may be more affected than members of Congress themselves.

The Congressional Research Service says “the law may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.”

This is too good – “the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.”

The law apparently bars members of Congress from the federal employees health program, on the assumption that lawmakers should join many of their constituents in getting coverage through new state-based markets known as insurance exchanges.

But the research service found that this provision was written in an imprecise, confusing way, so it is not clear when it takes effect.

The new exchanges do not have to be in operation until 2014. But because of a possible “drafting error,” the report says, Congress did not specify an effective date for the section excluding lawmakers from the existing program.

Um, yeah. The exchanges don’t exist yet, but Congress is supposed to take part in them now? Well, Nancy and Harry – that’s what happens when you pass something you don’t read first!

Under well-established canons of statutory interpretation, the report said, “a law takes effect on the date of its enactment” unless Congress clearly specifies otherwise. And Congress did not specify any other effective date for this part of the health care law. The law was enacted when President Obama signed it three weeks ago.

Okay, Nancy. No more health care for you!!

But this is the quote of the day – if I could write these words in huge letters across the sky, I would:

The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?

Ding ding ding ding ding ding!! Congratulations, Ms. Nancy and Mr. Harry. You two get the booby prize.

“It is unclear whether members of Congress and Congressional staff who are currently participating in F.E.H.B.P. may be able to retain this coverage,” the research service said in an 8,100-word memorandum.

And even if current members of Congress can stay in the popular program for federal employees, that option will probably not be available to newly elected lawmakers, the report says.

[snip]

These seemingly technical questions will affect 535 members of Congress and thousands of Congressional employees. But the issue also has immense symbolic and political importance. Lawmakers of both parties have repeatedly said their goal is to provide all Americans with access to health insurance as good as what Congress has.

I wonder how fast they’ll move to fix that particular snag in the legislative mess they just rammed through Congress – for ego purposes only.

Moreover, it says, the strictures of the new law will apply to staff members who work in the personal office of a member of Congress. But they may or may not apply to people who work on the staff of Congressional committees and in “leadership offices” like those of the House speaker and the Democratic and Republican leaders and whips in the two chambers.

In addition, the report says, Congress did not designate anyone to resolve these “ambiguities” or to help arrange health insurance for members of Congress in the future.

Oops.

“This omission, whether intentional or inadvertent, raises questions regarding interpretation and implementation that cannot be definitively resolved by the Congressional Research Service,” the report says. “The statute does not appear to be self-executing, but rather seems to require an administrating or implementing authority that is not specifically provided for by the statutory text.”

The White House said last month that Mr. Obama would voluntarily participate in the health insurance exchange, though the law does not require him or other administration officials to do so. His participation as president may depend on his getting re-elected in 2012.

Representative Jason Chaffetz, Republican of Utah, said lawmakers were in the same boat as many Americans, trying to figure out what the new law meant for them.

“If members of Congress cannot explain how it’s going to work for them and their staff, how will they explain it to the rest of America?” Mr. Chaffetz asked in an interview.

The provision governing members of Congress can be traced to the Senate Finance Committee. When the panel was working on the legislation last September, Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, proposed an amendment to require that elected federal officials and all federal employees buy coverage through an exchange, “rather than using the traditional Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.”

A scaled-back version of the amendment, applying to members of Congress and their aides, was accepted in the committee without objection.

Thank you, Senator Grassley – they didn’t even notice what you were doing – they were too busy beating the drum and beating all opposition to a pulp. Do you think the Senator did this deliberately – just to point out how poorly this legislation was being crafted?

And I thought the elites in Congress knew what was best for the rest of us.

The words just desserts come to mind. We’ll keep you posted on new developments.

  • Khan Krum

    Did Congress screw itself out of health care?  Let’s hope so.  Where’s the Death Panels?

  • sandi78

    Well this is very interesting, and entertaining. I thought they had carefully written this so that they would retain their current coverage and not have to mess around with this like the rest of us. Although I do understand that not much of it was done “carefully”!

  • Peggy Sue

    I read about this “oversight” at Uppity’s site last night.  It was the last article I read and it really made me laugh. 

    Talk about poetic justice!

    However, I’m sure this will have our Reps scrambling to protect their own hides.  But it gave me a real belly laugh that they’ve effectively made themselves part of the “uninsured.” Not worth reading those bills, eh?

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving group.  Hahahaha!

  • jbjd

    The legal wonks will be having a field day dissecting the minutia in this fetid swamp.  (I’ll look at it ater…)

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  • tango

    I think this proves they didn’t read the bill let alone truly analyze it. Oh well, I expect some sort of amendment or maybe Kathleen Sebillious can get up and say “that’s not the intent (spirit) of the bill so therefore, that section doesn’t have to be followed.”

  • )o(

    Teabaggers to protest tax cuts on Tax Day. Hilarious!!

    Fact Sheet: President Obama Cut Taxes for 98% of Working Families in 2009
    According to a recent CBS News/New York Times poll, the vast majority of Americans do not perceive that they have received a tax cut from President Obama. Asked if the President “has already raised taxes this past year,” 53 percent of those polled said that the President has
    “kept taxes the same,” and 24 percent think that the President has “raised taxes.” A mere 12 percent believe that the President has cut their taxes.1
    This is an astonishing level of misunderstanding. The truth is that the major tax cuts enacted in the 2009 economic stimulus bill actually reduced federal income taxes for tax year 2009
    for 98 percent of all working families and individuals. These tax cuts saved working families and individuals an average of $1,158 on the tax returns they will file by April 15. (The median tax cut was approximately $600.)
    More at Citizens for Tax Justice:

    http://www.ctj.org/obamastaxcuts.php

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You have been told multiple times that the derogatory term you are using for Tea Partiers is homophobic.  I guess I shouldn’t be surprised an Obama supporter IS, but still – enough already.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Ani, thanks for this.  I think it is so ironic that these congresspeople didn’t bother to read the very bill they were voting to pass, and thus screwed themselves along with us.  Maybe there is justice int he world after all…

    Great post, friend!

  • jbjd

    PS, know what’s funny?  I kept meaning to check  out whether the current Congressional plan was included in these proposed “exchanges.”  I assumed, the Congressional plan would be part of its own federal exchange or some such machination.  That way, Congress could still say, they purchased insurance from the exchange, just like ‘the people.’  And no one would know, theirs was a different exchange.  But I never got around to it.  This is so much better than I could have hoped for.  Written out of their own plan!  Let’s see how fast they fix this.  (But still no public option, or any other condition that is vital to ensuring we receive access to affordable health care in this country commensurate with other developed countries like Germany, Switzerland, Japan, Taiwan, Canada…)

  • HARP

    I always thought an anus was usefull…….guess I was wrong.

    Enjoy this anyway.

  • armymom

    You better be talking to an accountant, they will tell you differently as we were told when we got our taxes done. I guess you’re “too cool” to actually do that kind of work though and would rather get your “expertise” from CBS. Carry on troll.

  • wbboei

    Looks like Eva Braun and Dirty Harry have screwed their cohorts as well as the American People.  And all for the love of Bambi.  It is all very touching.  The ambiguity here works against them. Why?  Because it is a rule of contract and statutory construction that any ambiguity be resolved against the draftsman.  And the dimocrats and their insurance company lobbyists were clearly the draftsmen.  And, because the republicans have an amendment which got out of committee by a vote of 13 to 12 which requires congress to accept the same health insurance coverage as everyone else. 

  • Olivia1998

    Harp: you did it again.  Fantastic video

  • )o(

    RRRA, It is ‘homophobic’ to YOU for some reason; just because you say it doesn’t make it so. I’ve only heard that from you.
    There’s no reference to that anywhere:
    Check Wikipedia if you wish, I will not provide a link.
    I prefer the definitions from the Urban Dictionary:
    2. n. A conservative activist who is so ignorant that they protest against tax cuts (that benefit them).
    “A whining fool shouting loudly for liberty but not willing to pay the bill.:
    -After most American workers saw more money in their paycheck due to the lower tax rate, the teabaggers at Fox News railed against high taxes, but did not discuss how much Jesus hated hypocrisy.

    Conservatives who masquerade as “concerned citizens”. Politically similar to the Nationalist, Socialist movement, which gained wide popularity in certain parts of Europe in the 1930s. The TEA BAGGERS pride themselves on ranting incoherently, misspelling protest signs, and their ability to disqualify other humans by the color of their skin or sexual orientation. Many TEA BAGGERS enjoy NASCAR, lynchings, chronic masturbation, beating their wives, and shoving taped up shampoo bottles in their asses.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tea%20bagger

    Andrew Breitbart doesn’t seem to mind:
    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/04/14/im-proud-to-be-a-tea-bagger/

  • wbboei

    This is an astonishing level of misunderstanding. 
    ———————————————-
    It is as nothing compared to the misunderstanding which led to The Mistake of 2008, aka the election of Obama.  He has quadrupled the deficit, in case you have not noticed.  He is contemplating a VAT tax in addition to income tax.  Frankly, I am astonished that you are astonished.  Look at what Judd Gregg is saying about Obama’s out of control spending.

  • Diana L. C.

    RRRA,

    Someone needs to find the video clip I remember of someone explaining to Anderson Cooper what the term means and him snickering about it. 

    I think our anus friend protests too much.  If he were a true liberal, he would not use a term if one of his politically correct friends asked him to quit. He/she has no manners and is just willfully being rude and hateful, something he accuses us of being.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Just remember to flag early and often they soon go away!

  • jbjd

    “…his out of control spending”?  NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.  He is only the Chief Executive.  Congress is his equal, in the governmental-separation-of-powers paradigm.  When I was a kid, I got in trouble with my Jewish friends.  ‘Hitler didn’t kill 11,000,000 people,’ I insisted.  ‘Even if he stood there with a machine gun all day and night, he couldn’t kill 11,000,000 people.  No; it took thousands to kill millions…and most of them did this by just standing by…’ 

    No; when it comes to spending, you can count the members of Congress who gifted him the legislation.

  • Sassy

    Thanks Ani!
    We may find ourselves on the same page with Congress.
    They can hardly talk down to us when we are on the same level, and for toppers, I hope they dislike the bill as much as the public does!
    Senator Grassley-A+  Congress-F+!

  • Diana L. C.

    I do hope this “little” mistake on the part of the Dems causes all of them in Washington much discomfort.  What a perfect mistake fro them to have made.

    On another note, I am feeling a bit sad again today because of the way the neo-dems have impacted my friendships. 

    I have a close friend, someone who has been special to me since we first met in ninth grade.  She has helped me through tough times; I have helped her through tough times.  But, we were always different in many ways.  She was always rebellious, non-conformist, headstrong, adventurous.  She did what many our age did after high school–went out to “find herself.”  She eventually got a BA in psychology, but we all know where that will get you in the real world, and she didn’t get it until she had two children, was a single mother, a long string of job hopping from one dead end job to another.  She is a great mother and grandmother, but she did smoke and drink and lead a pretty different life from mine.  Now she is living month to month, barely getting by in a trailer with her older sister.  And, of course, she doesn’t have health insurance and has diabetes and high blood pressure.

    When I was in high school, I was often thought of as the “good” girl.  I studied hard, got top grades, was in many clubs, etc.  I got the scholarship, went to college, got married, worked as a teacher, etc.  I made terrible choices in the men I married, but at the same time, when I was married and when I was single, I always had the mainstream professional job, with health insurance.  I am now retired with a good pension and good health insurance and have only one regular bill for drugs–the fosamax to prevent osteoporosis. 

    I sometimes feel some regret that I didn’t have a more adventurous youth, but then the feeling passes because I have always just been too practical and don’t enjoy risk taking.  It’s not me, and I knew it even then.  I always admired my hardworking family, and I never felt rebellious against them, since they gave me nothing but love.  And I felt this country’s ideals were very good, despite the leaders I sometimes disapporved of.  But I didn’t always enjoy being taunted a about my conformity.

    So….long story, we had to agree not to talk about Obama, and now–after a telephone conversation last night–I can’t express my feelings about the health care bill with her.  I am terribly sad that she has to jump through hoops to get medical care and drugs.  On the other hand, she did choose the path that got her to this point. 

    She just whines that “EVERY OTHER COUNTRY has socialized medicince, so what is wrong with us?”  When I pointed out it sounded like the same type of argument that kids give their parents when they want to do something that is not good for them–”all the other kids get to”–she got angry.

    I just let it go saying that I do want better health care in this country, but I did not think this horrible bill which addressed only health insurance was the way to go and that even IF she ever gets her insurance on a “sliding scale” she can afford, she will probably realize that it is not  the life saving thing that she thinks it will be.

    It just seems ironic to me that the people who were probably the most non-conforming, rebellious against government, etc., etc., of my age are now expecting government (and thus other people) to be their source of salvation.

  • PssttCmere

    hmmmm….if they got screwed I hope it was sans lubricant.  This is richly deserved karma and should give the general public pause to think about who should be representing them in Congress or is it a case of stupid is, as stupid does?

    “Say What You Will….It Feels So Good”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Karma is a bitc*

  • Jackie

    The most fun thing about this article is that it kills the latest right-wing lie that “Congress exempted itself” from the new health care legislation.  As this article and all of your crowing confirms, that is certainly not the case!

  • Clara

    Since I fall into one of these categories, guess I’d best look into this.  It’s easy to demonize us as a group but there are many good hearted, hard working people there. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The most fun thing was not seeing you here all day.

  • PssttCmere

    Healthcare might have screwed beelzubama and the dims out of votes….see latest poll:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ap_poll_democratic_woes

    “Say What You Will….It Feels So Good”

  • Ferd Berfle

    On the contrary, Jackie–the most fun is betting on how long you will be up for air before returning to the President’s other talking end–you know, the one he blathers through even more than the one between lying between his flapping ears.

  • Jackie

    The most fun thing was not seeing you here all day.”

    “The echo chamber has been breached!  Release the hounds!”

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You are spot on, Diana.  I am certain it is done to be rude and hateful.  I just don’t get that whole thing.  It is one thing if one has a genuine difference of opinion.  Fine, talk it out.  But these constant attempts to incite just boggle my mind,  What kind of person enjoys that sort of thing?

    Anyway – that’s O/T to Ani’s fine post, and the point of the post. 

    And that is the other intention of people like the above – distract from the EXCELLENT point Ani is making that these bozos in Congress haven’t the FOGGIEST what was int hat bill exccept the goodies promised them, and wanting to do something no one else has accomplished, no matter how flawed it was, or what it would do to our country.

    Bernanke is warning us abt the impending financial disaster this country is facing – where the hell was he before they passed this monstrosity of Obama’s ego???

  • jbjd

    Diana L. C., regardless of the way your circumstances played out, you were always only one layoff or catastrophic accident away from poverty.  The question is, are you saying, ‘universal health care’ is unwarranted in this country?  We are the only industrialized country that fails to provide access to quality health care to all citizens, which fact accrues to our detriment in so many measures of quality of life (including not only mortality rates and life expectancy but also lower per capita costs to achieve these superior results). Government and business and community leaders in those other countries managed to construct plans  to suit the social requirements and expectations in those countries, with differing recipes of regulation of the insurance industry; and medical providers; and individual payment requirements (above taxes);  etc.  We did not have to reinvent the wheel to come up with a plan that was both workable AND tailored to our particular needs. 

    A Republic derives its strength from pooling resources to fulfill the needs identified by the people, which needs are better filled collectively.  Like national defense.  Or relations with other nations.  Or universal health care.

  • jbjd

    Diana L. C., regardless of the way your circumstances played out, you were always only one layoff or catastrophic accident away from poverty.  The question is, are you saying, ‘universal health care’ is unwarranted in this country?  We are the only industrialized country that fails to provide access to quality health care to all citizens, which fact accrues to our detriment in so many measures of quality of life (including not only mortality rates and life expectancy but also higher per capita costs to achieve these inferior results). Government and business and community leaders in those other countries managed to construct plans  to suit the social requirements and expectations in those countries, with differing recipes of regulation of the insurance industry; and medical providers; and individual payment requirements (above taxes);  etc.  We did not have to reinvent the wheel to come up with a plan that was both workable AND tailored to our particular needs.   
     
    A Republic derives its strength from pooling resources to fulfill the needs identified by the people, which needs are better filled collectively.  Like national defense.  Or relations with other nations.  Or universal health care.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Thank you, Senator Grassley – they didn’t even notice what you were doing – they were too busy beating the drum and beating all opposition to a pulp. Do you think the Senator did this deliberately – just to point out how poorly this legislation was being crafted?
    =====================
    Just as with the “Last Refuge of Scoundrels” Act, the silly ass Congress, specifically in this instance the sock-puppet Democrats, put together a laundry list of things to do at the behest of their string-pullers. I am anxiously awaiting the court cases that will come about over this POS bill.

  • Docelder

    The funniest part is not reading the bill bit them in their own ass this time. Maybe they will read the bills from now on? I doubt it. Obama said “trust me”… so they had no choice. Tools.

  • Cindy

    Ani–Many thanks for posting this story—especially since I cancelled  the NYT two years ago and would not have been able to read it!

  • AC

    So who released you!

  • Ferd Berfle

    The problem, jbjd, is that NO ONE has actually done a detailed process-flow diagram of our current healthcare system and with its inputs, outputs, potential do-loops, and dead ends and then actually studied it. Moreover, those who understand the systems best are the ones who should be making the recommendations as to what ought to be in any bill but weren’t asked (except, of course, for large pharamceutical companies). The HC fiasco passed signed into law only exacerbates the current problems with the system, which have more to do with insane administrative costs that are multiplied any time the government adds another regulation or bureaucrat.

  • AC

    As for court cases there will be many.  I’m still waiting for the plan he always said he had–not Pelosi’s and Reid’s but the one he campaigned on.  That lying Turd (special thanks to Larry Johnson for reminding me what a turd Obama is).

  • Ferd Berfle

    Cerberus let her get away.

  • Ferd Berfle

    That One is still sorting out all those voices in his head apparently but will get the plan from one of them, I’m sure.

  • Docelder

    To reform it, the lawmakers would need to understand teh current system. There was never that intention. WHat was understood was that most people were o.k. with what they had. So, the taget was the current system. It needed to be broken so that people would no longer be content with it and then they would want “change”. So, we are paying extra taxes for four years while the current system is broken and we won’t see the single payer blueprint before then. This bill was never about reform. It is about breaking what we had.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yeah, Doc, all That One needs is a striped short-sleeve shirt, a pair of checkered pants, and a paisley tie and he’d ready to sell GM cars to his bot minions.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Obama said “trust me”… so they had no choice
    ===============================
    Yeah, Doc, all That One needs is a striped short-sleeve shirt, a pair of checkered pants, and a paisley tie and he’d ready to sell GM cars to his bot minions.

  • AC

    Ferd, sign me up for one of those “potential do-loops” haven’t had one for some time.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Obama said “trust me”… so they had no choice 
    =============================== 
    Yeah, Doc, all That One needs is a striped short-sleeve shirt, a pair of checkered pants, and a paisley tie and he’d be dressed and ready to sell GM cars to his bot minions.

  • getfitnow

    Love it, HARP!

  • Cindy

    P.S…….. and meant to add, it’s nice to read this article with your informed and clever comments.
    Also, I can’t always log on to NYT on-line for some reason, so it helps when someone prints it out for us.
    Thanks.

  • jbjd

    FB, I never call the bill that just passed – I cannot even say it, what you said – I call it the ‘Mandatory Purchase of Private Health Insurance’ Bill.  (I hope you were disappointed to think I supported THAT bill; of course, I didn’t!  And not just because of the faulty outcome but because of the faulty inputs, too, including the failure to incorporate some of these factors you mention, as well as tie in each major provision in the bill to a demonstrable positive relationship to the promised (read, cross my fingers and hope I can fool the people into believing will be the) favorable outcome.

  • jbjd

    FB, I never call the bill that just passed – I cannot even say it, what you said – I call it the ‘Mandatory Purchase of Private Health Insurance’ Bill.  (I hope you were disappointed to think I supported THAT bill; of course, I didn’t!  And not just because of the faulty outcome but because of the faulty inputs, too, including the failure to incorporate some of these factors you mention, as well as tie in each major provision in the bill to a demonstrable positive relationship to the promised (read, cross my fingers and hope I can fool the people into believing will be the) favorable outcome.)

  • getfitnow

    Much like Rep. Waxman, huffing and puffing, demanding that companies come in and prove what they said about the affect health care bill will have on their bottom line. He apparently wasn’t aware that their charge-off procedure is required by LAW. He has canceled the “show” hearing that would show him to be a buffoon. 

  • Ferd Berfle

    LMAO, AC. Hell, we get into those endless loops whenever a government bureaucrat makes a recommendation for process change. Never mind that they’ve never even performed the work we do. So we make the change, the process then grinds to a halt, and they then say, “oh, who told you to do that?” That’s when email comes in handy–we just forward them the change they requested. They go away for a while and we get some work done.

  • Ferd Berfle

    jbjd–mea culpa. I never thought you were for the bill. I suppose I might be for some sort of change to the current system provided it is specific, addresses cause, and prevents recurrence.

  • jbjd

    OMG, know what this reminds me of?  In this health insurance debacle, we have these Congresspeople who ignored the will of the majority of their constituents by passing this bill, notwithstanding that even when questioned, these officials did not seem to know what was in it; and that the Speaker of the House recommended passage to find out what it said; now getting hit with the realization, it’s even WORSE FOR THEM!  And in Texas, where I pointed out, the evidence is clear, the R’s are just as culpable as the D’s for enabling the election fraud; the seminal case I found to establish, the statement of TDP Chair Richie that BO is eligible, is a lie; was signed by a Justice on the Supreme Court of Texas, Judge Abbott; who is now the R AG of Texas who refuses to investigate the citizen complaints of election fraud against Boyd Richie!

    A pox on both their houses.

  • Ani

    Clearly — becaues as one of the Dem. reps. said recently, “we just make it up as we go along.”

  • Ani

    He was called out on the floor of Congress and so decided to cancel.  His bullying shows some kinda hubris, that’s for sure.

  • Ani

    But it remains to be seen what they do with this little gem — will they use it to exempt themselves from the health plan they foist on us?  It is clear that this Congress does whatever it wants — I don;t think any of this will have any lasting effect on them whatsoever.  In the end, it is meaningless.  When it comes to protecting their own hides, they will do quite well, I assure you. 

    It is fascinating a) that the NY Times had to report this and b) that they had tp point out the cluelessness of these lazy people who could not be bothered to read what they passed.

    By the time 2014 rolls around, we will see what health care plan Congress uses for itself.  Please check back then.

  • AnnieCarmel

    “Congress could still say, they purchased insurance from the exchange, just like ‘the people”

    That is exactly what our “Representative” Sam Farr said in a Letter to the Editor of the Monterey County Herald…their plan is  just like the one we’re getting.  I knew that was BS but how to dispute it?  Hahaha…from his lips to God’s ears!

  • jbjd

    OMG, know what this reminds me of?  Here we have this health insurance debacle, in which Congresspeople ignored the will of the majority of their constituents by passing this bill, notwithstanding that even when questioned, these officials did not seem to know what was in it and that the Speaker of the House recommended passage to find out what it said.  And now these same officials are getting hit with the realization, this bill was bad for their constituents but it could even be WORSE FOR THEM!  And in Texas I pointed out, the evidence is clear, the R’s are just as culpable as the D’s for enabling the election fraud; and I found the seminal case from the Supreme Court of Texas (signed by Judge Abbott) which said where there is a duty to disclose, non-disclosure is tantamount to a lie, making the statement of TDP Chair Richie that BO is eligible, a lie.  And as if to prove my point, the AG of TX who refuses to investigate the citizen complaints of election fraud against Boyd Richie is none other than former Justice Greg Abbott (R)!  
     
    A pox on both their houses.

  • armymom

    Nope, they’re going to “fix” the loophole for congress. It was a mistake, which is what you get when you don’t read the damn thing, but I did hear a rep from California say they were going to fix it for them..

  • AC

    They go away for a while and we get some work done.
    **********************
    Imagine how much real work would get done if they went away permanently.

  • sowsear

    Sounds like “Dilbert”, to me

  • sowsear

    Bo’s the one you can’t pick up by the clean end.

  • Diana L. C.

    Ferd, thanks for this response.  You’ve summed it up completely.  All I was trying to tell her was that this bill is such an unknow because of the way it was passed.  She admitted that she didn’t really understand how it would affect her and when.  And that because of my love for my country, I had hoped for a bill that was done smarter and better in all regards to any other country’s plan.  She just accused me of turning into a “stupid Republican.”

    I just didn’t like at all the emphasis on insurance and none on costs, encouraging doctor training, nurse training.  No one spent any time at all looking into studies that might have been done already as to better ways to provide health care, etc.

    I was never close to layoff, as I always made it to tenure in a core subject.  As to the accident situation, I always felt that I had excellent car insurance, travel insurance, and we have workman’s compensation insurance.  I just never felt that I was in a situation in which I might endanger my family’s finances because I had been so careful about giving up many other things to make sure I had much coverage and savings.

    I would–though I know at this point it’s impossible–have had “public” health care.  My idea had always been to take the public schools idea and work it for health care somehow.  I didn’t want it to be addressed on the federal level but on the state and local level.  I wouldn’t have minded getting rid of insurance and accepting property tax-based formulas for health care.  It seems to me that something more on that line would be better. 

    So, no, I wasn’t opposed to providing health care for all—just not the way it was done.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The most fun thing was not seeing you here all day!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Karma is a Bitc*

  • Docelder

    He is the one. Plus, he is very historical.

  • sowsear

    I’m sure they will fix their problem right away….in the dead of night, probably.

  • Cindy

    sows—that’s so funny!

  • Patience

    Thanks Ani for giving this article the attention it deserves.  I always enjoy your comments too.

  • PortiaElizabeth

    I’m really glad I was able to catch you on Dr. Kate’s program tonight. It’s good to put a voice to the person. I’m even more impressed now with the amount of work you’ve done on this subject of election fraud. I hope Abbott does something. (Good catch on that earlier ruling!) I’m glad you explained more of why you go on politijab. I was wondering why you would intentionally set yourself up for the sharks you mentioned. You’re a braver woman than I am.
    Kudos to you, jbjd!

  • jbjd

    PE, I am so glad to hear you were listening!  The podcasts to previous appearances are linked on my blog.  (As soon as I get the link to tonight’s show, I will post that, too.)

  • Anon

    Who gives a flying @#$%!

  • candymarl

    I am heartbroken for Congress. Heartbroken I tell ya! :’(

  • EllenD

    jbjd dead on as usual.
    I’m probably the only person here who has had health insurance in both Canada and the US and had companies in both countries, paying the employer share. It was affordable in Canada. It is unaffordable here and killing small business. We can’t give employees raises because the insurance companies keep raising their rates to grab any increase we might be able to squeeze out.
    This is a lousy bill. I call it Government Welfare for the Health Insurance Corporations and we are not going to come out of this recession with this millstone around our necks.
    Canada has a program of free Medical School to anyone who agrees to practice in underserved areas for a set length of time. jbjd is right. the U.S. did  not have to reinvent the wheel.
    I’m afraid the truth is that right now the large corporations in the U.S. own the government. We can’t get fiscal reform and regulation and break up our too big to fail banks and we can’t get decent affordable healthcare for everyone. It is very depressing.

  • EllenD

    Diana, I suspect you and your friend were both agreeing on this ghastly bill but coming at it from different angles. Both left and right hate it. No one likes it but the health insurance companies.
    You both were talking past each other, and many proud Americans are strugging with what looks like a massive botch by Congress. Some are trying to wrestle it into an achievement when they really know the truth.
    Go back and read the good things you said about your friend. And forget about what either of you both said in anger. Then mail her a funny card and get back together again.
    I hope Medicare is some help to her.

  • Buzzlatte

    Funny thing that, Jackie, since only democrats voted “FOR” the bill.  So who screwed it up?  Five seconds to answer.

  • Buzzlatte

    Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

  • Senneth

    jbjd, thank you for all your hard work.

  • creeper

    “And even if current members of Congress can stay in the popular program for federal employees, that option will probably not be available to newly elected lawmakers, the report says.”

    Good.  Let’s make that apply to all of them come November.

  • ddjk154