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Swiftboating or Vetting?

The Obama campaign is panicked that terrorist and Obama benefactor, Bill Ayers, has reared his ugly head into this campaign.

The Obama camp sent an e-mail to their supporters which says:

Yesterday, the McCain campaign issued a statement effectively endorsing and echoing the latest baseless attacks sponsored by former Swift Boat funder Harold Simmons.

Simmons’ next generation Swift Boat group, The American Issues Project, is running a false, negative ad designed to smear Barack with the absurd insinuation that he is connected to terrorism.

But is it really Swiftboating? There is a convincing case to be made that Obama is simply being vetted, something the media failed to do throughout his short national career. Regardless of what the e-mail says, the charges are all true and that’s why they are panicked.

We know all about Hillary’s alleged wrong doings. For example, a dailykos blogger named pdxattorney was deeply offeneded that Hillary was a Republican 43 years ago, suggesting that it sheds a light on her views today:

Is there really any difference between today’s HRC and Hillary the former “Goldwater girl”? Given her pro-war right wing foreign policy sympathies and premature pandering to republican general election voters, it’s often difficult to tell.

So if Hillary can be vetted for her views from over 40 years ago, certainly Obama’s friends can be looked at closely.

Is Obama, scion of the corrupt Chicago machine, really that clean? Maybe, maybe not. He’s never received a proper vetting. Until now.

Michael Barone suggests dirty Chicago politics was part of Ayers/Obama connection:

You might wonder what Obama was doing working with a character like this. And you might wonder how an unrepentant terrorist got a huge grant and cooperation from the Chicago public school system. You might wonder–if you don’t know Chicago.

Swiftboating is fabricating events to smear a person’s character. John Kerry did serve honorably in Vietnam. He did not, as Michelle Malkin claimed, shoot himself so that he could get out of combat. That’s Swiftboating.

The Bill Ayers story is different, very different, because Bill Ayers’ vile actions have been a part of the public record for 40 years. No event is being fabricated; Obama’s judgment is being questioned.

Bill Ayers did attempt to blow up the Capital; he escaped prosecution because of a technicality.

This brings us to another Obama excuse. “I was only 8 when my pal was trying to blow up the Capital.”

Yes, Obama may have only been 8 when the event occurred, but Bill Ayers has not changed. He celebrated the terrorist attacks of 9/11. He said he wished he had done more. He and Obama had long been friends by this point.

I would not be friends with a Holocaust denier or a racist. I would not be friends with a murderer (even if he got off on a technicality), and I would not be friends with a rapist. For good measure, I’d exclude all terrorists. Being friends with the criminally-minded would be incongruent with my values.

How can Obama swear to protect America when his friend is committed to its destruction?

Michael Barone hypothesizes Obama’s motives:

For Obama, the outsider who gained the trust of the insiders, the position is different. He was willing to use Ayers and ally with him despite his terrorist past and lack of repentance. An unrepentant terrorist, who bragged of bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, was a fit associate.

Morally, many would argue, there is no statue of limitations for Bill Ayers’ actions. He hated the United States in the 1960s and he does today. Why did Bill Ayers take Obama under his wing? What does this say about Obama?

Larry Johnson asks:

The facts are fair and the question is valid–Why did Barack Obama get in bed on both business and politics with a man who insisted that his only regret from his days as a member of a domestic terrorist group was that he didn’t plant more bombs?

And Barone writes:

But most American politicians would not have chosen to associate with a man with Ayers’s past or of Ayers’s beliefs. It’s something voters might reasonably want to take into account.

  • HARP

    Obama will say he wasn`t making bombs….It was just a school science project.

  • s. hall

    Let the vetting begin. Its important that the American people know who Obama considers his close friends. They seem to be people who harbor hatred for this country and its people. It was right around 9/11 that Ayers said he wished he could have bombed more buildings. Obama was old enough to know better.

  • s. hall

    Harp — I heard something today about Obama going to the Justice Department to try to stop the 527 ads. He can dish it out but he can’t take it.

  • DawnelleNOTbuyingIT

    John Kerry did serve honorably in Vietnam. He did not, as Michelle Malkin claimed, shoot himself so that he could get out of combat. That’s Swiftboating.

    Thank you for the perfect example.

    I still hate Malkin to this day for that remark. Another Heinous female.

    but the TRUTH is always worth reporting imo!

    Thanks Bud

  • Thinker

    It’s not a smear if it’s the truth.

    tsk tsk.

    Now the real Soetoro is about to be exposed.

  • michael

    great larry, you’ll get the neocons running things again come hell or high water…thanks for putting your contry first. More covert agent outings for everyone…

  • HARP

    He better get used to it. They are going to open a big ol` can of wup ass on him.

  • http://! Buzz Latte

    Barack Obama must be impaled on his own stupidity. Whether it’s from a 527 or a McCain ad or something from other anti-Obama factions, we are in times where secrets cannot be hidden. And they shouldn’t be.

    Obama must be vetted one way or another. Because the DNC was too stupid to do it then other organizations must take over.

  • Joel

    Vetting.

  • mimi

    Hillary was a Goldwater girl as an adolescent….

    Here that?

    An adolescent.

    Do we all want to own the things we believed in between the ages of 12 & 17 years old?

    I know I don’t.

    Hillary has talked extensively about her transition from adolescence and into her college years when she began to see the world very differently.

    Give me a break!

    Wasn’t Kos a Republican…. as an ADULT!!!

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Great! The separation of fact and fiction is very important. Obama and Ayers is clearly not a swiftboat smear.

  • jwrjr

    Obama is trying to ceate the perception that any negative statement about him is only ‘swiftboating’ (by implication, a lie). And the Oborg are gullible enough to believe it.

  • DawnelleNOTbuyingIT

    ready for the show ;-)

  • PhxNickD

    what is amazing is this stuff has been the talk of the blogs for months and the msm did not listen, thank god the republicans did.

  • mimi

    Hear that?

  • usaproud

    How much do you want to bet the more that comes out about Obama the more insane he gets

  • michael

    wow, and then we can have incompetent leadership for another four years…lol….clowns

  • CountryFirst

    The truth is not smearing

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

    Some folks don’t like to read long drawn out missives…so…..here’s an executive summary……

    Military Congress

    John McCain 26 Years 22 years

    Barrack Obama 0 143 days

    Executive summary concluded.

  • jwrjr

    It is up to the Dems to run a more preferable candidate as opposed to to McCain. The DNC sure ‘screwed the pooch’ this time.

  • CountryFirst

    The truth is not smearing

    Executive Summary:

    Military Congress
    John McCain 26 years 22 years
    Barack Obama 0 143 days

  • DawnelleNOTbuyingIT

    Sore Toes! Sore Toes!!

  • CountryFirst

    sorry…didn’t mean to double post.

  • HARP

    You want 4 years of this you idiot.Time you wimps grab some reality in your lives

    Aug. 27, 2008—

    DENVER — Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel.

    Police on the scene refused to tell ABC lawyers the charges against the producer, Asa Eslocker, who works with the ABC News investigative unit.

    http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5668622

  • blog force one

    Obama surely saw the picture of Billy Ayers standing on a crumpled US flag in a chicago alley and that photo was published several years ago in the chicago trib. Obama Is and always be an America hating mancurian candidate and someone should ask him about that exact US flag that Ayers so joyfully desecrated and what happened to it after the photo shoot! how was it disposed of?I I am quite shure that Obama does not know the correct protocol for retiring OUR FLAG after it has touched the ground. It should be burnt preferably and if not, buried with honor. it is an extreme desecration of All of those brave men and women who proudly served our nation and especially those who made the ultimate sacrafice to protect our freedom we hold so dear to our hearts! Our flag should NEVER be allowed to touch the ground and especially not to be stood on as the America hating islamofascists who also like to blow things up that are American so often do. Obama is NOT QUALIFIED TO TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE for precisely this reason.

  • btintaos

    The Republicans making public work of what should have been private, Democrats’ work. It’s no wonder they always kick our butts.

  • HARP

    And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be…?

  • michael

    no, its up to the candidates to win the nomination and Hillary lost …..it’s up to Americans to protect the constitution.

  • ritamary

    Ariana Huffington was a Republican up until a few years ago. Her husband ran for governor of California.

  • MrMike

    Excuse me? Larry is going to get the neocons running things again? How, pray tell?

    Larry didn’t force Obama to cozy up to a terrorist to further his ambitions.

    Larry didn’t force Obama to strik a deal with Tony Rezko to buy a house he couldn’t afford.

    Larry didn’t force Obama to sit in a pew listening to bile every Sunday for twenty years.

    If anybody is letting the neocons have another shot it is Harry, Nancy, and Dean.

  • ritamary

    Hillary lost because Obummer cheated.

  • HARP

    prevaricator

  • Handy

    I’m sure that whitey tape will surface any time now!

    Keep flinging poop. Some of it is bound to stick.

    BTW. Even Hillary is sick of you losers.

  • JayD

    Try not comparing footballs and fairy dust, okay? Obama had a relationship with Ayers as an adult. In 1995 they had lunch together as Ayers home launching Obama’s Illinois Senate race. From 1999 to 2002 Obama and Ayers were board members of the Wood Fund. Obama left the board in 2002 (he was 41 years old so he was an adult, got it?) and Ayers is still on that board. So Obama’s claim that he only knew Ayers as a person that lived in his neighborhood is the joke that no one is laughing at.

  • http://! Buzz Latte

    We are. NO Obama – marxist and con man EVER!

  • DeaninMI

    We’re going to have that no matter who wins the White House, imo.

  • michael

    Obama made poor Hillary vote to give Bush the authorization to go to war and get 4150 Americans killed for no reason? ok, well thought out Ritamary..your a true patriot.

  • MrMike

    Bush and his band of rat f**kers have spent the last 7 years playing fast and loose with the Constitution and the rule of law (while Reid and Pelosi whimpered in the corner soiling their Depends) we don’t need out side doing it. As they ran the primary and ginned the RBC meeting where they stole Hillary delegates to the truncated sham roll call so shall they run the country. We are so boned. :(

  • William L. Donlon

    What was the “Music” playing, selected by team Obama, when Bill Clinton left the stage tonight???

    When Bill finished and walked around the stage they played “Beautiful Day”.

    When He left the stage, with the crowd still cheering and the National media focused on Hillary, team Obama played “Addicted To Love”.

    One parting finger from Team Obama To the Clintons.

    Barack can’t resist these little digs.

    On the night Barack Won Iowa, and he and wife walked out on stage what music was playing???

    Answer: It was a rap tune, “I Got 99 Problems But A Bitch Ain’t One Of Them.”

    It was the finger from team Obama to Hillary.

    Think I’m kidding, check it out.

  • http://! Buzz Latte

    Obama/Ayers connection has been made. check

    Berg vs Obama lawsuit filed check

    Lawsuit reviewed by judge and left open check

    Obama named in Rezko trial opening statements check

    Lawsuit filed against Obama in IL re: lying on Bar application check

    Associations with Davis, Cone, Wright, Farrakhan, Auchi examined check

    527s ready to go check

    Documentaries of caucus fraud ready check

    Video of DNC irregularities made check

    It’s piling up Obama.

  • DeaninMI

    That is truly frightening.

  • MrMike

    The Obamas,a class act. Remember the “periodically” jibe? How about stroking the jaw with the middle finger?
    Well, Mr. O, I got one for you (Mr. Mike brushes the lint off of his shoulder) from you.

  • Uña de Gato

    Obama is desperate to quash this story, especially how he was chair of the CAC and mismanaged those millions of dollars on pie-in-the-sky projects funneled to political allies, while actually making the schools worse. Is that his executive experience? He is sending out his thugs to silence any and all critics. Obama = Oba Mao.

  • DeaninMI

    You must have loved that FISA vote, where Obama and McCain showed how different they are by voting the same way, against our interests.

  • DeaninMI

    You make no sense. Go back to HQ and tell them we want smart ‘bots.

  • jc

    Yeah, and that whitey video is going to come out soon too. Doesn’t this blatant lie give you pause about all the other b.s. is being shoveled around here.

  • Uña de Gato

    You’ll be eating poop with a side order of crow real soon, Hairy Hand.

  • IndayHill

    Barack Husein Obama, Jr. (his parents gave him this name)cheated with the help of his Chicago thugs. Michael, pls. educate yourself so you’ll be knowledable of your idol’s background.
    Obama is a phony & egoistic.Check tomorrow’s entrance of the self-proclaimed candidate.
    Change ? Change to this ? You can have it, Michael.
    Aug. 27, 2008—

    DENVER — Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel.

    Police on the scene refused to tell ABC lawyers the charges against the producer, Asa Eslocker, who works with the ABC News investigative unit.

    http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5668622

    For my country, I will vote for Senator John McCain.

    God Save America !!!

  • Bob
  • michael

    McCain is sitting in the pew with Randy Scheunemann and William Kristol this moment and has not once denounced their incompetence that got 4150 Americans killed in a country that posed no threat to our country. Your going to whine about 1968….It’s your right but your priorities call your own judgement into question.

  • SusanfromPA

    Vetting. And there hasn’t been nearly enough of it.

  • athy

    Michael-

    Take a look at the following videos.

    Do you think Sen Clinton ever stood a chance?

    And…you are correct-it is up to us to protect the Constitution.

    View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
    Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
    Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q

    Part 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU

    Superdelegates votes can not count until convention

    Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM

    *VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
    - these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.

    http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/

    This is excellent site too…

    http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
    Obama & Vote Theft

  • michael

    and you must love it too because your going to see to it that there will be more of the same…..great logic folks

  • MrMike

    Obama made poor Hillary vote to give Bush the authorization to go to war and get 4150 Americans killed for no reason? ok, well thought out Ritamary..your a true patriot.

    No, Hillary decided that showing Saddam congress was behind the president and his demand that the U N inspectors be allowed to return to Iraq was the right thing to do. If Obama would have been in the Senate he probably would have held his finger up to see which way the wind was blowing then voted “present”.

  • Uña de Gato

    Gee, the boy who cried wolf (racism) all over again. How long before that cry goes unheeded?

  • ACT

    There is no diffrence between Timothy McVeigh and Bill Ayers.

    We executed McVeigh and the FBI screwed up Ayers case and he was released. Ayers said “Guilty as sin and free as a bird America is a great country”

    Ayers has admitted his guilt and now walks about in freedom supporting his friend Obama.

    Where is this fantastic judgement of Obama’s?

  • ming_the_merciless

    McCain’s close friend G. Gordon Liddy plotted to firebomb the Brookings Institution to destroy Daniel Ellsberg’s evidence against the Nixon administration.

    Now the Brookings Institution exposes McCain’s Tax Cut Scam by doing a line-by-line comparison with Barack Obama’s Tax Cut Plan.

    Liddy is probably remembering the good old days of straightforward republican political tactics.

  • MrMike

    Obama went back on his word about how he would vote on the FISA bill. Obama has been making noises about privatizing Social Security, Obama is making noises about restricting a woman’s right to choose, and Obama now supports the Iraq war. That sounds like the same old same old to me.
    Didn’t he go on record approving one of Bush’s reactionary SCOTUS appointments?

  • Uña de Gato

    Ayres daddy was a mega-rich, mega-connected Chicago player. Follow the money.

  • MrMike

    This is not about John McCain. This is not about when William Ayers planted his bombs. This is about Obama’s willingness to use any person of questionable character to fulfill his ambitions.

  • Hillary the President

    Blog force one,

    Thank you for your post. I’m an immigrant and did not know that “…the correct protocol for retiring OUR FLAG after it has touched the ground… shoud be burnt preferably and if not, buird with honor….” Thank you so much for posting this.

    I, as a naturalized American citizen who came to this country believing America is a country of democracy, have been lost in my belief, confused, dismayed, and heart-broken to observe the actions taken by the democratic party during the 2008 primary because I wanted to trust that the DNC is the party of exercising fairness of the democracy after seeing the RNC and the Bush administrations’s actions in the past. Maybe I’ve been so naive.

    At least, however, here at NQ, there are people who are independent thinkers, and have an analytical mind and courage to stand up for democracy.
    To me, you carry THE SPIRIT OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS.

    Form now on, let Sen. OB/BS take alll his resposibilities for what he has done, what he is doing now, and what he will do in future.

  • nickoury

    Please explain how Ayers and the lost, wasted millions are a lie.

  • Uña de Gato

    WEAK! Try again.

  • michael

    now you are flat out lying and badly. Provide Obama’s quotes stating these posistions.

  • michael

    thats fine, you liked the last eight years and you want more…fair enough

  • MrMike

    … and your point is?

  • KHL

    Larry, if John Kerry fought so valiantly and honorably, why won’t he release his full military records to the public as he has promised to do many times?

  • DoisT.

    Great! Now there are the Annengerg Project files. So what!?

    Oh so now it’ll take a month or so and then they will finally have the goods on Obama. Nothing is ever going to happen. Democrats don’t care and the Republicans care even less if it might guarantee their chances to get to the White House.

    Obama has been involved with so much corrupt actions throughout the past 20 years in Chicago. Now, everybody supposedly has a smoking gun. What crap!

    In fact, I’m sure most of the democratic party and the republican party know he is not a U.S. citizen, for a very long time. They’ve been having the time of their lives. Meanwhile, an exceptional candidate gets used and the American people learn a lesson in how nobody gives 2 cents what we think.

    There isn’t a 2012 for HRC and most people know that at this point. I saw the relieve on the newscasters faces like Hannity, Riley, etc. etc. after she designated for Obama to win by acclamation. And, Hannity had sleazy Sharpton to talk to, there isn’t anything that man can say that does anything for anybody but himself.

    Right now, how many democrats know that HRC was robbed and all her supporters were robbed. Yet, not one American in the media, TV, prominent figures, rich people, doctor, lawyers, etc. are willing to file lawsuits against the circus that is being held at the Denver Convention or even before it.

    It all makes me sick. Lawsuits should have been filed right after the DNC selected Obama at the end of May. Too many Amercans are still wanting woman to be second class….men don’t want the competition.

    Then there’s women like Pelosi who knows squat about politics but she steps in and caters to Obama I realize there are a lot of Pelosi’s in America. Women who will trash other women in order that they might get a higher position, etc.

    But all of us as Americans have failed. The MSM are the worst because what they report is sometimes all that some voters get to hear besides reading their local newspapers.

    Fine, people didn’t have to vote for HRC, but did they have to allow the fraudulent actions and, not just by one man, because he had a lot of people aiding and abetting him.

    Congratlations to everyone who wanted Obama, you have set your standards extremely low because your candidate is unqualified, has no credentials, and will bring nothing but Chicago corrupt politics to the White House.

    Sharpton and the Black Panthers must be very happy!!!

    And, Farrahkan….well, I guess his threat of consequences will come again before election day in November.

  • http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm Hillary’sSimplytheBest

    it’s called vetting, better late than never…

  • ming_the_merciless

    OK… How’s this? The other side of the story about John McCain:

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccainfiles.htm

    Disturbing stuff. Vetting by fellow vets? Or Swiftboating?

    This is why I don’t like going negative. I wish the McCain people would back the hell off before certain Obama people decide to fire back in kind. The only thing that’s prevented it so far is a distaste for the tactic. It isn’t a lack of potential ammunition.

  • michael

    You wanted Hillary because she never associated with people of questionable character to fullfill her ambitions?

  • MrMike

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/21/politics/horserace/entry4200105.shtml

    “[The bill] does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/senator-obama-please-sto_b_72148.html

    And Barack Obama has joined them in this! Recently an Obama ad reinforced the right’s bamboozlement that Social Security is running out of money. speaking on Meet the Press:

    Now, we’ve got 78 million baby boomers that are going to be retiring, and every expert that looks at this problem says “There’s going to be a gap, and we’re going to have more money going out than we have coming in unless we make some adjustments now.” … I want to make sure that it’s there not just for this generation, but for next generations. So that means that we’re going to have to make some decisions…

    Paul Krugman pleads with him to stop. A few years ago the right tried to go after Social Security and there was:

    … a determined defense by progressives in the media, on the blogs, and in Congress beat back one spurious argument after another, while the American people made it clear that they really want a program that guarantees a basic retirement income that doesn’t depend on the Dow. And Social Security survived.

    All of which makes it just incredible that Barack Obama would make obeisance to fashionable but misguided Social Security crisis-mongering a centerpiece of his campaign.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/obama_leaves_blue_women_seeing.html

    WASHINGTON — Somewhere along Barack Obama’s winding road through the red states, he lost me. It happened when he talked about women who are “feeling blue.”

    Obama says that these women should not be able to obtain a late-term abortion, because just “feeling blue” isn’t the same as suffering “serious clinical mental health diseases.” True enough. And totally infuriating.

  • vinnie

    protect the constitution you say? how about the basic rights to vote and be counted? How can you ever explain one person ‘voting’ for 10 other people who weren’t there in person to cast those vote? Cut the crap.

  • MrMike

    No, Michael, we don’t want more. That’s why we supported Hillary.

  • vinnie

    c’mon, when asked, barry Soetoro’s best answer was ‘he lives in my neighborhood’? He used Ayers to advance his career and to tap into his connections. Get used to it, this isn’t going to go away.

  • athy

    Off Topic but very important…
    Look what we missed last week-
    This happened in between the Olympic coverage and prearations for the DNC convention…

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/27/in_wake_of_deadly_usairstrike_jeremy

    In Wake of Deadly US Air Strike, Jeremy Scahill Questions Lawmakers About Obama’s Afghanistan Policy

    A UN probe in Afghanistan has backed claims of a massive civilian death toll from a US air strike last Thursday.

    The UN mission in Kabul says investigators found some ninety civilians, including sixty children, were killed in the attack.

    Democracy Now! correspondent Jeremy Scahill goes inside the Democratic National Convention to ask lawmakers about Barack Obama’s foreign policy plan to deploy an additional 7,000-9,000 more troops to Afghanistan. [includes rush transcript]

  • michael

    Would you be upset about any of this had Hillary won more delegates? I suggest you write to the caucus states and inform them that their system for both parties is unconstitutional.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Who’s over at DOJ?

    What’s that you said Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey?

    O No? You won’t prosecute?

  • Dr No

    It isn’t just Ayers that Obama showed a lack of judgment about. It is Wright, Rezko and others. He used to get where he was and then threw them under the bus when no longer were assets to himself.

  • MrMike

    And who would those people be? Ken Starr labored mightily and brought forth a Monica.

  • michael

    The rules wouldn’t have bothered you had you got what you wanted. I’m sorry you are disappointed but nothing was taken from you.You cut the childish behavior.

  • The Tantric Stilletto

    This is such nonsense.
    Bill Ayers is old news.
    Let’s get back to electing that stud Obama.

  • MrMike

    Neither candidate won enough delegates to secure the nomination outright. That’s where the Super Delegates come into play as tie breakers.
    Now you would think that the supers would base their decision on the will of the voters in their respective states.
    But that is not the case. I voted for Hillary in the primary and she won but my Senator ignored our wishes and endorsed Obama. Next time he comes around with his hand out I shall ignore him.
    And the caucus system isn’t unconstitutional because the selection method is up to the party’s discretion.

  • MrMike

    You cut the childish behavior

    Who played the Bradley Effect card in New Hampshire?

  • eleana

    FYI…ONCE AGAIN, THE OBAMA CAMP ATTEMPTS TO SILENCE CRITICS….The Obama camp blasts National Review writer as “slimy character assassin”
    Barack Obama’s campaign hasn’t advertised this a great deal this week, but the campaign’s “Action Wire” has been waging large-scale campaigns against critics. That includes tens of thousands of e-mails to television stations running Harold Simmons’ Bill Ayers ad, and to their advertisers — including a list of major automobile and telecommunications companies.
    And tonight, the campaign launched a more specific campaign: an effort to disrupt the appearance by a writer for National Review, Stanley Kurtz, on a Chicago radio program. Kurtz has been writing about Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers, and has suggested that papers housed at the University of Illinois at Chicago would reveal new details of that relationship.
    The campaign e-mailed Chicago supporters who had signed up for the Obama Action Wire with detailed instructions including the station’s telephone number and the show’s extension, as well as a research file on Kurtz, which seems to prove that he’s a conservative, which isn’t in dispute. The file cites a couple of his more controversial pieces, notably his much-maligned claim that same-sex unions have undermined marriage in Scandinavia.

    “Tell WGN that by providing Kurtz with airtime, they are legitimizing baseless attacks from a smear-merchant and lowering the standards of political discourse,” says the email, which picks up a form of pressure on the press pioneered by conservative talk radio hosts and activists in the 1990s, and since adopted by Media Matters and other liberal groups.

    “It is absolutely unacceptable that WGN would give a slimy character assassin like Kurtz time for his divisive, destructive ranting on our public airwaves. At the very least, they should offer sane, honest rebuttal to every one of Kurtz’s lies,” it continues.
    The campaign mentions, and objects to, one specific claim of Kurtz’s, for which I’ve never seen hard evidence:
    Just last night on Fox News, Kurtz drastically exaggerated Barack’s connection with Ayers by claiming Ayers had recruited Barack to the board of the Annenberg Challenge. That is completely false and has been disproved in numerous press accounts.
    OBAMA’S FRIEND …AMERICA’S ENEMY
    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDI4YzUyYmI1ZjA1OWUzMDA5ZDIzNTI4NTk5ZmYwYWY=

  • TeakwoodKite

    mimi, respectfully, kos never achieved “Adulthood”.. so … :)

    BO and him have that in common.

  • Trolls Smell Bad; Real Bad

    YES THEY CAN AND YES THEY WILL

    Castro of Cuba, Gaddafi of Libya, Kim Jong of North Korea, Hamas of Gaza, and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela have all voiced support for Obama.

    Obama for Change.
    Castro for Change.
    Gaddafi for Change.
    Kim Jong for Change.
    Hamas for Change.
    Chavez for Change.

    Together, Yes They Can CHANGE America.

  • MrMike

    Gee, KHL, why didn’t George Bush come clean on his TANG obligations.
    OH and BTW, Kerry released enough of his records to answer the questions about his service in Vietnam. A service that very few of his counterparts in the GOP can claim to have fulfilled.

  • Ann

    Ayers celebrated the 9/11 attacks????? Come on guys… your constant string of anti-Obama lies is getting more ridiculous every day. You’re actually taking lame Fox News lies and adding your OWN lies on top of them now. That’s worse than desperate – it’s pathetic.

    What Ayers did when Obama was only 8 years old is old news. During the last 40 years, Ayers ended up becoming a prominent community member who has actually done good things in Chicago. Does that excuse what Ayers did 40 years ago when Obama was 8 years old? No, but he’s hardly a “terrorist” and you guys sound more idiotic than Sean Hannity for pushing this fake story.

    I never expect to see any real “facts” on this site, but it’s always a hoot to read the posts of the gullible idiots who believe this tripe and try to spread it.

    Now sit back, relax, and get used to saying “President Obama”.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    The republicans are going to debut that one sweetcakes. Get with the program.

  • TeakwoodKite

    But he wasn’t there, was he?

    Well maybe he was, in his own deluded way.

  • Uña de Gato

    Please, that Jerry Kiley is the same kook who went after Kerry and threw red wine at a Vietnamese official. He should be locked up, you know like McCain was when he was a POW.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Ouch!

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    To Barack Obama, being vetted IS swiftboating. He demands that you believe that horseshit in his fictional novel, much of which has been debunked by the chicago trib. He does not stand up to scrutiny because if he did, he wouldn’t be calling vetting “smearing”.

  • vote08

    The Brinks robbery(3 people murdered)that the Weather Underground was responsible for occurred in 1981. Obama was 20 years old at the time, so his excuse that he was 8 is false.

    The most important responsibility of POTUS is to protect its citizens from enemies, both foreign and domestic. The major objective of the Weather Underground group was to sabatoge the US govt. Obama would not even be able to get a security clearance as a result of his 20 year relationship with Ayers and Dorhn, founding members of the Weathermen.

  • MrMike

    Let’s get back to electing that stud Obama.

    You mean as in a piece of wood supporting a sheet rock wall? Because with out a teleprompter handy, Obama has all the personality and wit of one.

  • MrMike

    Oh, michael, if you are still here, is your last name Niedermayer by any chance?

  • Uña de Gato

    Obama wasn’t 8 yrs. old when he and Ayres were burning through those millions sponsoring wacko educational projects that educated no one and only enriched their friends. So much for executive experience. And as to Obama’s judgment, it can be summed up very succinctly:

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  • ming_the_merciless

    It’s interesting to compare prominant democrats with their republican counterparts. This list is a bit out of date, but it paints a compelling picture:

    http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

    While democrats were actually tending to the business of defending their country, republicans–with a few commendable exceptions–tended to stay home and tend to business.

    Right-wing, pro-war pundits also have and interesting history of avoiding military service.

  • Joshua Lee Friday

    FYI: John Kerry still has not released his full military records as he promised during the 2004 campaign. I am still waiting.

  • MrMike

    By DINITIA SMITH
    Published: September 11, 2001

    ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.” Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970′s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.

    Now sit back, relax, and get used to saying “President Obama”.

    Or federal correction facility inmate number 625789 ;)

  • jwrjr

    Obama will soon be political road-kill. He has earned every bit of it.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Truth is stranger than fiction, some say.
    BO is nothing BUT fiction.

    But hey, what do I know? I was n’t the one to say;

    “Joe Biden will bring honesty to the table” tonight on c-span tape.

    BO flat out said he is not honest, by say that’s why he picked “Honest Joe” for that quality.

    Manchild BO is so tone deaf, he would make Helen Keller sound like she had perfect pitch. (she probably did.)

  • vi

    Heres what will defeat Obama, OBAMA, and the Republicans to come out hard one two three four, fast with the truth of all of O’s misdoings along with the sexism that the dnc allowed to overlook, chicago dirty politics of throwing democracy under the bus , of voter fraud, racist tactics of the Obama bloggers that maliciously atttacked hillary supporters, the over look of the DNC to do anything to Ill senetor Prez Jones, in the Uncle Tom quote to a Hillary supporter, allowing racism to continue to bully the voters of a Democratic race. Ayers, statements by O that he was a respectable man, video with O, saying he would disarm America of its nukes to sit down with rogue dictators, How Bush release of the drilling moratorium, has bought down the price of oil, because on the market it is sold by the futures, of what is going to happen, How dems also stood by with the republicans that failed to notice what was going on in america and the middleclass until Hillary sounded the alarm, how the Dems in the senate stood by and helped grow the deficiet with their votes, and how o spending plan for Iraq will be sent to afghanistan there is no change on returning our men and woman home just redirecting the money and the fight that we must win. what better man to lead this country in the time of harm directed to America, McCain, and the failure to connect McCain to Bush as just another bush since McCain has always bucked his party, and Bush, McCain has a record for standing up for Americans and O has his record of the Ill senate and the 3 yrs in the senate that just sucks, and voting presnet where it mattered in helping the American people, Dems failed along with Bush to see what was happening and they must focus on and McCain shall stand firm and say i have failed on the economy but so has the dems by allowing this to happen, but look what were doing to correct it, Bush is concerned with lessoning hardships, while dems think 8 dollar gas is good for working families, lower oil, cheaper gas gives more money for spending and providing for families, and business to prosper.
    A silent vote is a vote for O, along with a stay home vote , third party vote, send a message it is not ok for the Dnc to elect a unqualified democrat , with dirty politics, racism and sexism, it is not ok. one voice one vote nobama

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Well Said.

  • prince dude

    i guess it time to unite, i saw michelle cry but i am not still on board did he finally embrace bill and hillary not sure he waived at them but i just do not know yet his associations still bother me i do not care about liberal their are people more liberral than obama but at least they are not unpatritoic like obama even kunchinich and nader are more patitoic than obama- even they do not have the associtions of obama, well i guess i will vote democratic down the line then vote for nader for president.

  • Carol

    That is a Swiftboating link. If you google the Col. Hopper guy, you will find that he (Hopper) was not telling the truth. The facts have all been laid out. Just like they did to Kerry. Unfortunately for Obama, the Ayers connection is not swiftboating.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Hillary the President;

    A link to a “flag” site. Hope you find it interesting. See where it takes ya.
    http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

  • TeakwoodKite

    Who was good friends with Franky.

  • ming_the_merciless

    Obama was living in Los Angeles attending college when he was 20. He went from there to New York, and didn’t even arrive in Chicago until 1985. He didn’t meet Ayers until 1995, when he was introduced by State Senator Alice Palmer at a neighborhood political meeting. Where are you getting this “20 year relationship”?

  • TeakwoodKite

    HUH? pwoor whiddle BO. He dwoesn’t wike it…Swilly Wabbit.

    Look one either has “ammunition” or they don’t. There is no “potential”, just kinetics in that department, as many person here has indicated here at NQ who have served.

    The most descriptive phrase was “the sound of angry bees”.

    BO? Never!

  • michael

    neither won enough delegates if you disregard the super delegates. true. But when included as they have been since 1976 Obama won the majority of all delegates and hence the nomination he received tonight.All candidates knew this before the primaries.

  • KHL

    Deflection and subterfuge. While I certainly respect his decision to go to Nam which many others avoided, the fact remains that he finagled three purple hearts which got him sent home in 4 months. Get a few grains of rice in your but hardly qualifies as a purple heart injury. The fact is he promised on numerous occasions that he would release his full military records to the public to prove his service. He hasn’t done so. Presumably the records would disprove the Swiftboaters. If this is the case, then he would certainly have released those records. But the facts must be that the records don’t vindicate him, or otherwise he would have made them public.

    And this matter has absolutely nothing to do with Bush. We are speaking about Kerry and only him. Whatever Bush did or didn’t do is irrelevant to this discussion and completely highlights the vacuity of your argument.

  • TeakwoodKite

    athy; respectfully,

    Jeremy Scahill is a putz. I read his book and then he endorsed Obama, even when BO said he wanted Blackwater to stay in Iraq and elsewhere. He is way late and full of it. Did you happen to see his Democracy Now interviews?

    In Wake of Deadly US Air Strike, Jeremy Scahill Questions Lawmakers About Obama’s Afghanistan Policy

    If you your point is satirical, the irony is par for the course. :)

  • michael

    I know it’s just started…lol….I’ve seen the little game many times…it works and you end up with incompetent leadership like W.

  • Northwest rain

    Exactly — even his name is a fiction.

    We haven’t seen the original birth certificate and the one on the Obama website is a phony (tech nerd I respect have looked at the image file and declared it fake.)

    Barry Soetoro is how he was know during his elementary and high school years — when did he change his name? Some dumb women changed their names when they get married — and now have to deal with proving in triplicate that they had a different birth name. There is evidence that Barry Soetoro used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan.

    So who is this person — is Barry Soetoro the same person as Barack H. Obama? Where is the proof that this is one person with a before and after name??

    Barry Obama is a fiction — his life is a fiction. He has surrounded himself with some really rotten people — Rezko, Rev. Wright, Mrs. Obama, and Bill Ayers — the list is longer . . . but.

    Which of the characters above is the worst? Rezko stole from the Government — but he really was stealing from the poor and needy — so his crimes are very grave. Ayers TERRORIZED America — I remember we have no idea where the bombs would go off next. My friend’s fathers were working in the Pentagon — my own father was active duty. I’m a liberal, but not an anarchist — I believe in change by voting.

    Obama close friends tell us much about his character. Rezko and Ayers weren’t giving speeches at the convention — I wonder why???????

    Who the hell is Barry Soetoro??

    PUMA power!

  • MrMike

    That was his second tour in the Vietnam conflict.

  • michael

    Start with Marc Rich …There doesn’t have to be any indictment just an association. Look , what criminal charges would be brought against Obama for having an association with Ayers? none, there was absolutely no crime committed other than he won the nomination and you can’t accept it.

  • Northwest rain

    You know I used to have empathy for the losers. Senator Dole served his country — but I’m glad that Clinton won. It takes guts to run for political office. Most candidates seem to respect the voters — but Obama just has no respect for the voters.

    But this time when Barry Soetoro loses — I will have no empathy for him — none. And that horrible Mrs. Obama — tough — live with it you slug.

  • http://safari AnnieCarmel

    Actually, it’s up to the President to protect the Constitution.

  • http://safari AnnieCarmel

    Anyone can associate with Ayers. But the President of the United States may not have an association with a person who has declared he wants to overthrow the government. Get it? He may not take support from known terrorist organizations: Hamas for one. Or terrorists either for that matter.

    He is held to a different standard. Barack Obama will not meet that standard.

  • NewOrleans

    Not only was he (and she) a Republican, but he was a gay Republican.

    Poor Arianna was as clueless then as she is now.

  • NewOrleans

    I LOVE the topic of Ayers and Obama. I hope I see a post on it every day.

    The fact that Whiney’s people are trying SO hard to get The American Issues Project ad pulled shows just how devastating and effective it really is.

    So far,Obama’s people have gone to the FEC, the DOJ, major networks, and individual TV stations to try and have the ad pulled. And now they’re trying to get the people who did a documentary about Ayers (from which a few snippets appear in the ad) to scream “copyright violation!” in the hopes of getting the ad pulled.

    Too bad, so sad!

    The next 8 weeks are going to be fun.

  • Doris T.

    Sorry, but it isn’t called vetting late than never.

    Obama should be in prison. All this hype is news to us but not to the media. They are not vetting Obama. I don’t believe it. They’ve had plenty on him for the past 6 months.

    The problem may be that too many people got involved with Obama’s associates indirectly so that it’s possible others will have to pay some consequences or at least they might look too dirty even if they’re not.

    I know this much, if any peron believes they are loyal and patriotic to the United States than they should know that Obama is not.

    No doubt Obama will try to win with massive fraud, but Obama is dealing with the republicans mow and he can’t do anyhing for them.

    Unlike the democrats who have been aiding and abetting him with fraud caucuses and a rigged primary so they can’t cash in on his promises to them.

    McCain will be President of the United States.

  • mark

    true losers asociate with killer terrorists

  • mark

    damm right

  • mark

    The Obama borgs and the collective are out in force tonght

  • mark

    WE need to keep the truth hammer pounding

  • mark

    this is the biggest undemocratic fraud ever

  • mark

    what happend this election was like a nife in youer gut how all the crap the dems let happen

  • JML

    You know how I know that the GOP and its 527 orgs have plenty of dirt loaded and ready to fling? Good, juicy stuff?

    Observe them. Not an ounce of panic. None. They know they’ll win. Cool as cucumbers.

    Oh sure, McCain has to get a little disgruntled now and then. It’s for show. He doesn’t want to come off as arrogant or entitled to the presidency, especially when later this contrast will become important.

    But they know. For sure. Obama will never be president of this nation. Not gonna happen. The Repubs won’t even need to use everything they’ve got, probably.

    So the ‘bots that keep telling me to “get over” my candidate not winning our nomination? They should start practicing that phrase in the mirror.

  • elise

    So Michael, are you saying Obama associated with Ayers, Wright, Rezki and Auchi to fulfill his ambitions? What exactly are his ambitions beyond sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office and propping his feet up on the desk? You can’t even begin to understand the disappointment I feel about Hillary not being nominated. My party for over thirty years is no longer representative of my values. People threatened political payback for anyone not switching their support for Obama instead of allowing states delegates to vote in a manner reflective of the voters will so it would look like Obama had achieved a greater victory and all for an appearance of unity which doesn’t exist. I’m not even going to go into the acquiescence of the DNC to sexism and race baiting. Instead, I want you to understand the betrayal of everything the party claimed they would do if they were given a majority in 2006. The first thing Ms. Pelosi said, “Impeachment is off the table”. When I voted two years ago, it was my understanding the Democrats were going to end the war in Iraq, instead they permitted more troops to be sent to Iraq. I believed they would hold meaningful hearings on Gitmo, illegal wiretaps, expose the lies of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld war, stop wasteful spending and refuse to accept further erosion of three separate branches of government. Most of all, I believed they would protect every single vote cast by any one of either party and restore our civil liberties. If I hadn’t already rejected Obama as a candidate, I would have after he changed his vote on FISA which allowed the retroactive immunity for AT&T and Verizon. Here is one example of the current Democratic congress betrayal. I saved another list which included donations to Obama, but it has been scrubbed.

    Oct 22, 2007
    Telecom executives from companies seeking escape from privacy lawsuits accusing them of illegally collaborating with secret domestic spying programs wrote thousands in checks to the re-election campaign of Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia), AT&T and Verizon executives who had donated only a pittance to Rockefeller over the past 6 years donated more than $40,000 to Rockefeller in 2007, even as they were having private meetings with him to plead for his help in escaping from federal court.

    Here is Obama’s position before he changed his mind from TPM. Remember this?

    By Greg Sargent – October 24, 2007, 1:18PM
    It’s official: Obama will back a filibuster of any Senate FISA legislation containing telecom immunity, his campaign has just told Election Central. The Obama campaign has just sent over the following statement from spokesman Bill Burton:

    “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”

    I guess we know how that turned out. If you have a friend and an enemy and both betray you, which one will hurt the most.

    An injured friend is the bitterest of foes. Thomas Jefferson

  • JML

    It’s a very effective ad. Atypically effective for a campaign ad. Not one people are going to sigh about and turn the channel when it comes on. People are going to pay attention to that one. You can’t help it — it’s compelling. People will watch it 4, 6, a dozen, two dozen times, and stop what they are doing to listen.

  • johninca

    Yeah, I’m inclined to believe those who say that the Republicans are waiting for Obama to be locked in as the nominee, which I think happens as soon as he ends his acceptance speech.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    Congress was promised that the use of force will be a last resort. The the day after Bush received the vote, he started to move in Iraq. The vote would be perfectly OK if GW didn’t lie to Congress what he wanted to do with it.

  • TheRealMcCain

    Maybe some attention needs to be given to John’s family values and personal code of ethics. The way he fooled around while still married to the ever-loyal Carol McCain, took up with a much younger woman with a family fortune, then dumped Carol to marry into money makes for an interesting story. Ross Perot was paying Carol’s medical bills for a long while. He’s never forgiven John for the way he treated her, although Carol has. Apparently she still loves John after all these years. You won’t see the story in a U.S. paper.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    John did work up a tear over the whole thing during the Saddleback forum.

  • BlueTopaz

    ABC didn’t even show that arrest of their reporter this afternoon. I’ll keep looking for it, but it will be old news soon.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    I told you guys, the stuff will start to come out after nomination. The big guns will come in October.

    For some time I get the notion that these nasty trolls maybe are really comming from Karl Rove. They don’t do anything else just keep us angry.

    Karl, stop sending them! We are not going to change our opinion about Obama!

  • http://chriss chris

    He didn’t care about judgement. He just wanted to get in with people who could move his political career along. He used anyone who could do that and ultimately became a tool. Lack of judgement or calculated judgement? Obviously, it worked because he is one step away from POTUS. We are so in trouble if he isn’t stopped and thrown out of politics all together. Seems no one is willing to do that however. I truly thought the Clinton’s would end this nightmare by now. Does the OB machine have that much power over anyone who trys to block this nightmare? What kind of threats can they hold over people? I hope the Repubs have so much to drop on his head that no one can stop it all. This Ayers thing seems to be bothering them a lot so it holds some promise. We shall see how far the msm takes it.

  • ziggy

    Our current president is a person of highly questionable character. A lot of people have died unnecessarily because of this man’s lies. His policies are McCain’s policies. If we’re going to pay guilt-by-association, there’s plenty of association there. More than any thinking American should be willing to abide.

  • C.S.

    So Senator Clinton was once a Republican; it was legal and a much different party than it is now. It wasn’t as if she was running around with domestic terrorists blowing up buildings in her youth. She was actually developing a pretty solid set of values. It was Republican Eisenhower who sent the National Guard in to integrate schools which gave Barry’s mom and dad that chance to meet in Selma after he was born. And it was the inspiration of John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King that determined her vision of democracy.

    While Barry/Barack Obama/Soertoro was worshiping at the feet of far different visionaries; unrepentant criminals and terrorists and the antithesis of Rev. Martin Luther King, Rev. Wright and his friend Farrakhan. Now don’t you Obama disciples recoil in horror at how closely you will be standing to “good Germans” when the history of the rigged 2008 election joins that of the rigged 2000 election.

  • http://chriss chris

    Hey Bot, since he wasn’t a Senator and wasn’t there for the vote who knows how he would have voted himself if he had actually been there? Probably would have changed his mind 3 or 4 times and then voted for because he didn’t want to be odd man out. Remember he’s all about pleasing the crowd in front of him at the moment for political expediency. His supposed 2002 speech, that no one actually saw the record of until way after the fact, one that was re-written by his handler Axelface, is his only proof that he opposed the war at the time. Hillary stated very clearly her reservations about voting yes, but based on what they were being told about weapons of mass destruction she voted to authorize. Go back and actually read what was happening then and what Congress was being told.

  • C.S.

    You can’t lose something that is stolen. When a thief steals your wallet, steals your car, you didn’t just lose them. Senator Clinton had millions of votes stolen and then dared to go into the thieves den to try to get them back.

    No one expects to have to confront the thieves that took your car while the police twiddle their thumbs and tell you no crime was committed. But that was exactly what the Democratic party leaders told Senator Clinton.

    Strange new millennium we’re living in where up is down, truth is lies, and right is wrong. Good luck Diogenes!

  • michael

    where does Obama say he’s against a woman’s choice?….where does he say he’s for privatizing SS? you still have provided nothing except you want it to be true…your really grasping at straws and it’s sad….Ironically it’s Obama that has a chance to save Roe. We’re one judge away….McCain wins and Roe is overturned look in the mirror.

  • michael

    And Hillary lost so now what? Sulk forever or work to change this mess the last eight years has created? Get Hillary in as Senate Majority Leader, we need one….but whining is so much easier…

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    Bloody 527s! We did all the work for them!

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    Fox employees are furiously reading the Ayers files as we speak. 900 of them.

    Why don’t you go there to whine?

  • C.S.

    Naah, we wanted Hillary because she had the guts, the ambition and the intelligence to do something about the issues that are killing this country.

    And there is a HUGE difference between being launched into political society by an unrepentant bomber and following your husband back to his home in Arkansas and carving out a name as a children’s advocate. And if you don’t see that difference, you deserve 4 more years of Bush while the rest of us make do with McCain because some dummies gave us a choice of some guy whose name we don’t know and John McCain.

  • michael

    is Hillary held to that standard? What was her involvement in getting pardons from her husband for two of Ayers associates. Giving pardons to terrorists? OMG, how can we have someone that would not condone pardoning a terrorist in the white house….you see how we can keep playing these silly games….why didn’t Hillary come out against pardoning people that wanted to destroy our country? To pardon a terrorist or be one of eight board members with a terrorist? Which is worse?

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    The GOP gets too many donations from abortion foes for the GOP ever to allow Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

    If RvW disappears, so do the donations.

    You don’t kill a goose that lays golden eggs. ;)

  • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Ariana got pissed off because she thought she was gonna be the glamour girl of the Republican party and they basicly told her to stay on TV and out of real politics.

    THat pissed her off so much she decided to screw them as hard as she could and went democrat…and not just democrat, but left wing nutjob elitist democrat.

    Now thats what you call a woman scorned.

    She doesnt pelieve andy of the shit she peddles, its all about trying to get even with the republican party.

    She is the true bitter old woman. Not the Pumas.

  • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    The Judgment to Leapfrog to the Presidency.

  • http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Obumble is a lot more Like the incompetant Bush than McCain ever will be.

    Go back to HQ and tell them you are not a fully developed pod person. They need to put you back on the vine for a few weeks more of the koolaid injections.

  • michael

    We agree on more things than not. I’m disgusted with the congress since 2006 as well. I have nothing against Hillary and I would have voted for her in a second had she won. I want to see her as Senate majority leader because Reid is worthless. But instead I see people quitting instead of fighting on.
    I’m really sorry you feel so disappointed, I remember being stunned after realizing I had to live with George Bush for 4 more years in 2004. It sucked.It still sucks and more for all those that aren’t here now or have life changing injuries that may have been prevented had we changed course. But now I see McCain ready to take the white house with the same neocons that brought Iraq and they are loving people of like minds turning on one another so they can move on to their next incompetently run operation resulting in more senseless death.I lost my country the last eight years but I will be damned if I’m going to let them back in again if I can help it.

  • michael

    if you don’t know his name who’s the dummy?

  • michael

    do you deserve four more years of Bush? I guess you do because your enjoying your pity party.

  • Christy

    Those pictures of Ayers, what is wrong with him?

    He looks like a brain dead zombie. Sniffing too much glue?

    He bragged that he had sex with a male friend just to prove that he doesn’t,”have hang-ups.”

    Being gay is perfectly fine of course, but having sex just to prove a point, no real desire or anything?

    Crazed terrorist zombie, great friend of BO’s.

  • mr. natural

    This is the change we’ve been changing for?

  • elise

    michael, I don’t want to vote for McCain. It’s hard to break old habits and I’ve always trusted the Dems more, but I am really torn up right now. I don’t see Obama the way you do and i don’t see the DNC the same way anymore. I am a pacifist and protested the war in Iraq. But I’m not even convinced Obama gave his anti-war speech. There is no proof of it. Just a recreation in a studio. I don’t trust him, period. Well I don’t trust any politician, but one so unknown as Obama and I am asked to take him at his word when I know he has lied about who he is. Also, I don’t like McCain, but I don’t believe he is a neo-con or a reproduction of Bush. I used to like him. Then he endorsed Bush in 2004 and i didn’t like him anymore. Nothing is ever the way it seems and I take my vote seriously and I want to be as conscientious as possible every time I vote. I believe we are at a crossroad in our country and can’t afford another mistake. My instinct is not to vote this time. I cannot support Obama, I don’t want to vote for McCain and I’m not sure there is a difference anymore.i trust the Clintons. I watched them a long time and i love them warts and all because I know they care about people. Well, she’s not the nominee, so I’m left with my own conundrum. I would feel better about your opinions if you weren’t so sure. It makes me believe you haven’t asked enough questions or looked at the issues with an open mind. So how could I take your advice?

  • mr. natural

    So Senator Clinton was once a Republican; it was legal and a much different party than it is now.

    Speaking of party conversions, (I hate to mention this) but when I was a kid I supported Nixon’s run for the presidency. He was the anti-war candidate and President Lyndon Johnson, Democrat, was the nutjob who’d escalated the Vietnam war to the point that over half a million American Soldiers were over there fighting and dying.

    Gore Vidal said it best, “But then, I say very mildly, we have only one political party in the United States, the Property Party, with two right wings, Republican and Democrat.”

  • http://www.delawareliberal.net Joe C

    So everybody here is an agent of operation chaos? Don’t do drugs kids you’ll end up a poser. We win you oh so lose.

  • Perry Logan

    It’s only fair.

    The Republicans had their incompetent ex-crackhead in the White House.

    Now the Democrats get theirs. :-P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4HrSQySus8

  • mr. natural

    Obama’s shown his true colors time and time again. His FISA capitulation was just the latest in a long series of fuck-the-proles messages he’s sent to his rich owners.

  • Perry Logan

    All of this is completely academic.

    The Democratic Party died the instant the Obama camp started calling their fellow Democrats racists.

  • Perry Logan

    He can’t seem to hold his head up straight.

    Is this a problem with progressives?

  • mr. natural

    where does Obama say he’s against a woman’s choice? … Ironically it’s Obama that has a chance to save Roe. We’re one judge away….McCain wins and Roe is overturned look in the mirror.

    Yeah. Let a man do it.

    What a bunch of drooling sexist pigs ObamaBots are.

  • mr. natural

    Go back to HQ and tell them you are not a fully developed pod person.

    I’m insulted. They only send us the dumb ones.

  • NewOrleans

    First – why you dumped this into JML’s comment makes no sense at all. But that’s pretty much what we’ve come to expect of Obamanuts.

    Second, McCain’s ‘family values’ from nearly 30 years ago don’t really concern me. (Especially since during that same period, Obama was off doing crack and God-only-knows what else). What does concern me, however, is Obama’s ties to terrorists and radicals TODAY.

    And third, who gives a shit what Ross Perot thinks or who he forgives. The man is batshit crazy.

  • mr. natural

    Actually, it’s up to the President to protect the Constitution.

    It’s also in the Senator’s Oath of Office.

    Obama’s vote on FISA tells us everything we need to know about him.

  • mr. natural

    Strange new millennium we’re living in where up is down, truth is lies, and right is wrong.

    Newspeak and Orwell: David Axelrod’s roadmap to power.

  • mr. natural

    Here is one example of the current Democratic congress betrayal.

    FISA was a personal betrayal by Obama.

    He could have led.

    Or he could have tried to lead.

    Instead, he hid in a corner so no one would know that he couldn’t.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    Obama is being Swiftboated.

    Remember Christmas in Cambodia? Calling our soldiers baby killers by order in the Senate?

    When you tell the truth about a Candidate that is being Swiftboated. When the Candidate doesn’t like it he calls it being Swiftboated.

  • I Will Remember in November

    And don’t forget the ayers’ wife and Michelle connection. Do you think that the republicans missed that one? Popcorn anyone?

  • Kevin

    What the poor little rich terrorist is doing is exercising his freedom of speech. He has that right. I hate the desecration of the American flag, but in the end it is a symbol to many, a mere object to some.
    I judge people in part by the company they keep. I judge BHO to be quite suspect in this area by the seemingly endless parade of left-wing whackos, racists, criminals, terrorists that seem to cling to him like slime.
    I have been saying for months that if he is the DNC nominee, the 527s, Rove and the republicans won’t have to make anything up, just telling the truth will suffice. And the truth will be out there, all day, every day, we’ve only seen the barest hint of what is to come out. And endless assault of Wright, Rezko, Pfleger, Ayers, Dohrn, democrats saying he isn’t ready, the lightness of his resume.
    Should be entertaining. I’ll make the popcarn.

  • mr. natural

    [Ayers] can’t seem to hold his head up straight.

    That’s just a punk’s way of acting tough, of showing he doesn’t care.

    He probably saw it in a movie.

  • 935 Lies

    KEEP the Change!

  • roseeriter

    Larry said it best:

    Why did Barack Obama get in bed on both business and politics with a man who insisted that his only regret from his days as a member of a domestic terrorist group was that he didn’t plant more bombs?

    Ayers admitted in his book that he slept with the guys in his cabal and Obama?

  • 935 Lies

    You mean there are SMART ones?

  • tzada

    We can all be 527 ads….. lets just use our knowledge and bypass the MSM.

  • http://www.delawareliberal.net PLU

    Good morning, FREEPERS! Your lies aren’t working. You are dismissed. Thanks for proving how batshity rethugs can be. McCain is too old. America moves left! Join us, hop on board. No hate just honesty. Your efforts are wasted. You lose. Epic Fail.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    McCain is sitting in the pew with Randy Scheunemann and William Kristol this moment and has not once denounced their incompetence that got 4150 Americans killed in a country that posed no threat to our country. Your going to whine about 1968….It’s your right but your priorities call your own judgement into question.

    But Biden supported the war. And called for the surge.

    Now here is a Democrat I like:

    Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. – John F. Kennedy

    Which is why I’m a Republican.

  • tzada

    ABC was doing a follow the money segment when the producer got arrested. From Bob’s link.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1

  • Jim S

    Me too!

    As a Viet Nam vet I have to say that I dislike Senator Kerry because of his blanket smear of all troops that served in Nam. I served two tours and never did or heard of others that did any of the things claimed by Kerry. That said:

    All Kerry had to do was inform the military using the Standard Form 180 allowing them to release his full and complete military record. By doing so, he could have quashed all rumors about his record. Instead, he authorized a short form that gave the basics but left out all of the details. The original charges were not that he was wounded but the type of wounds and were they so insignificant that others with equal or more serious injuries refused to even put in a claim for the medals. There are also questions concerning his discharge from the military. Rumors persist that he received a less than Honorable Discharge and had it changed to Honorable under a program that Jimmy Carter authorized. Truth or fiction? I don’t know, but until he does a complete release the questions still remain.

  • beebop

    Gee. Using your logic … did Bill introduce Soretoes to Ayers and make the 0bamas buy a mansion they could not afford with the help of Rezco?

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    PLU,

    I’m a libertarian Republican, I oppose the drug war.

    And I have been banned from the Freeper Board.

    LOL.

    BTW where are the Ds on the Drug War this year? Missing in action? Couldn’t we have at least one party opposing that racist crap?

    BTW we liberated 25 million people in Iraq from Saddam’s tyranny. There was a time when Democrats would have cheered, “by any means necessary” was the phrase. It is true the Iraqis are off to a rocky start. So were we in 1783. And it took a Republican President to end slavery.

    In any case I’m united with the Ds who oppose Obama. I wouldn’t vote for Hillary but I have to say she loves her country. The Big O? Well let me just say I have my doubts.

  • Get your popcorn here!

    America has been screwed by this “election.” But I will so enjoy watching the show now as everything we’ve known for a long time bursts out and there is not a damn thing anyone can do to stop it. Free butter with a large popcorn!

  • beebop

    0bama’s top economic adviser is a well known advocate for privatizing Social Security. How long have you been on the HopeyChangey LLC payroll? Two weeks?

  • beebop

    Nothing like two men arguing over a vagina. The symbolism is rich.

  • C.S.

    The choices we are given are Barack Obama and John McCain. One of these two men will be leading the country unless we can stage a successful revolt and elect a third party candidate. But the Democratic party was split down the middle between Senator Clinton and Obama – they actually suspended the vote to keep the voters from knowing the actual vote totals; not a recommended method for uniting a crumbling membership!

    So whatever your heart’s desire to replace Bush, the reality is his policies aren’t going away. McCain’s party rejected him in favor of Bush in 2000 and they did not endorse him as a candidate until Republican voters chose him over the party favorites exactly like the Democratic party picked Obama over the voters choice in the primary.

    The difference is that it didn’t work with the Republican voters this year but the Democrats pulled it off. And the real irony is that We the Voters are now left with Republican McCain or Republican ideologist Barack Obama.

    The jokes on us!

    If you want to make history and not vote Republican then vote for a real historic candidate, Cynthia McKinney; she’s a real African American female candidate running on running on a 3rd party.

  • beebop

    0bama is DANGEROUS … not merely incompetent. Out and out DANGEROUS. The scope of his inadequacy for the presidency at this time in our history is breath taking. He is the worst candidate for the job at this time. The extreme uber left. No chance in hell that Americans will vote for him. The bomb shells will rip his “historic” candidacy to shreds.

  • beebop

    Obviously you didn’t watch the video and — pardon the crudity — don’t know shit about what you are talking about.

  • beebop

    What was her involvement in getting pardons from her husband for two of Ayers associates

    If you butts could just decide whether HRC was the co-president or merely the White House hostess, you’d have alot more credibility.

    When you find any link to HRC and this pardon for people who served 20 years of a prison sentence versus Ayers the nonrepentent, you be sure to alert the media, okay sweetie? But as you say, she’s no longer the candidate. You’ve picked yoursel one big LEMON …. who will sour the public’s taste for anyone other than a TALL WHITE MAN for a long, long time. Happy?

  • karen for Clinton

    I was looking up something in an old WAPO article on Ayers and found this timeline in the comments section:

    Ayers and Dohrn were FOUNDING MEMBERS of the Weathermen, a violent terrorist group who escaped prosection because of surveilance tactics, not because they were innocent of wrongdoing. They terrorized government agencies for years threatening to bomb them and succeeded in doing so.

    10/7/69 Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, as “kickoff” for “Days of Rage” riots

    10/8/69 “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago – 287 Weatherman were arrested and a large amount of property damage done

    10/6/69 Bombing of Chicago Police cars. The WUO stated in their book “Prairie Fire” that they did the explosion

    12/27/69 Weathermen hold “War Council” finalizing plans to submerge into an underground status from which they plan to commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the “Weather Underground Organization” WUO. Dohrn raised three fingers in a “fork salute” to CHARLES MANSON, whom she proposed as a revolutionary inspiration. She went on to joke about Manson’s victims. “Dig it,” said Dohrn at the time. “First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!”

    1969 Ayers attempted to extort money from the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, demanding $20,000 to abstain from violence during a planned peace protest. After rejecting this demand, a member of the group asked Ayers what he really wanted. “To kill all rich people,” Ayers responded. When another peace activist pointed out that Ayers came from wealth, he answered with an angry slogan: “Bring the war home. Kill your parents.”

    2/13/70 Bombing of Berkeley CA police vehicles

    2/16/70 Bombing of San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen

    3/6/70 Bombing Detroit PD. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During Feb and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility

    3/6/70 “bomb factory” located in Greenwich Village explodes. WUO members die. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer’s dance at Fort Dix, NJ that night. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION

    3/30/70 Chicago Police discover WUO “bomb factory” on Chicago’s north side. Subsequent discovery of WUO “weapons cache” in south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city

    5/10/70 Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C.

    5/21/70 WUO under Bernardine Dohrn’s name releases its “Declaration of a State of War” communique

    6/6/70 WUO sends letter claiming credit for bombing of San Francisco Hall of Justice. No explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had been dormant for some time

    6/9/70 Bombing of New York City Police Headquarters

    7/27/70 Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco

    9/12/70 WUO helps Timothy Leary break out and escape from the CA Men’s Colony prison

    10/8/70 Bombing of Marin County courthouse

    10/10/70 Bombing of Queens traffic-court building

    10/14/70 Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs

    3/1/71 Bombing of The US Capitol

    4/71 abandoned WUO “bomb factory” discovered in San Francisco

    8/29/71 Bombing of the Office of CA Prisons

    9/17/71 Bombing of The NY Dept of Corrections in Albany, NY

    10/15/71 Bombing of William Bundy’s office in the MIT research center

    5/19/72 Bombing of The Pentagon

    5/18/73 Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in NY

    9/28/73 Bombing of ITT headquarters in NY and Rome, Italy

    3/6/74 Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare in San Francisco

    5/31/74 Bombing of The Office of the CA Attorney General

    6/17/74 Bombing of Gulf Oil Pittsburgh headquarters

    9/11/74/ Bombing of Anaconda Corporation

    1/29/75 Bombing of State Department

    6/16/75 Bombing of Banco de Ponce in NY

    9/75 Bombing of Kennecott Corporation

    10/20/81 Brinks robbery several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, NY. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others seriously wounded.

    1991 “Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country,” Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz

    1995 Obama campaign event at Ayers/Dohrn house

    1997 Ayers and Obama serve on a U of Chicago panel organized by Michelle Obama

    1999-2002 Obama and Ayers serve together as paid directors on Woods Fund Board of Directors

    4/2/01 Obama accepts campaign contribution from Ayers and, after 9/11 never returned the money

    9/11/01 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? “I don’t want to discount the possibility”

    4/20/02 Ayers and Obama serve on panel together called “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis” organized by Michelle O.

    Posted by: jpp | April 21, 2008 5:54 PM

    Above was cut and pasted from the WAPO The Trail.

  • beebop

    If the Ayers ad wasn’t too close to the truth that Soretoes is trying so hard to keep under cover, they wouldn’t be working so hard to keep it off the air.

  • Get your popcorn here!

    Both major parties suck. One brought us that monster Bush and the other the monster Obama.

  • C.S.

    I was taught that trampling on the flag was like trampling on the graves of the soldiers who fought and died in the name of the United States. It is a symbol of their sacrifice, which the “symbol” given the nomination last night and his bitter wife, seen to not know.

    My ancestors fought to keep that “Star Spangled Banner” waving and were buried under that flag while taps were played and with the gun volley salute they were entitled to. Perhaps Indonesian raised Obama doesn’t understand that symbolism, and didn’t learn it from his political mentor trampling on that flag, but if he doesn’t respect the sacrifices that it represents he has no business asking to be Our president.

  • karen for Clinton

    One of ob’s arguments is ob was 8 years old at the time of the bombings. That is pure bunk and distraction.

    I watched the Greta interview with one of Ayers victims who was only 9 when his fathers house was fire bombed by Ayers. Murtagh isn’t over it yet.

    Also saw a retired NYC cop speak about his life-long injuries from Ayers terrorist attacks. And that cop was powerful when he stated OB couldn’t become a NYC cop since he was affiliated with known terrorists.

    I have held Ayers and the WU accountable for their crimes for decades. There is no way any thinking American would want to be “friends” with this turd.

    When introduced to Ayers, ob latched on, just as he did to every other radical lunatic he met.

  • hank48188

    How about Obama’s vote on the 2005 DICK CHENEY ENERGY BILL, both Obama and Durbin took the money from Exelon and voted for the Bill, it was a big gift to the Nuclear industry. What is interesting is that William Ayer’s Father used to be the CEO of that company and Obama has always been friends with Ayers the TERRORIST. People say why didn’t Ayers go to jail for his crimes, I guess a rich Daddy helps.

  • C.S.

    Handy is a “divider”, not a “uniter”. No place in his little world for disagreement; too bad he wasn’t born in a place where everyone conformed – like Russia or China. (Bet he could find a secure job in propaganda, too.)

  • Get your popcorn here!

    And the Republicans will laugh when they are called racists every 5 minutes by the Owhiners.

  • Shiloh

    HELP

    I’m looking for a single site or group of sites that detail a) the things ayers has said in recent years about wishing he had done more bombing and b) especially a point by point summary of all the associations between Obama and Ayers over the years. Both must have citations. I ask because I am being challenged by Obamabots in other forums for citations, as if it is all a myth. Actually, what I have asked for here would make a powerful and useful article!

  • slick

    I read many comments, but rarely post. Your comment brought tears to my eyes.

  • karen for Clinton

    It is the way it works every 4 years. Normally they save the best for last. This year they will have to start early in order to have enough time to disclose ob’s real biography.

    Until now it has remained largely hidden away on boards like this one. We were the first to vet him – often much to our astonishment, but not the last.

    They have kept it under wraps till the confetti drops. Then things that even we didn’t ferret out will come tippling off the tongues of the MSM and into the ears of the ob bots.

    That’s why we are stocking up on popcorn, it’s almost show time. NQ USA has front row seats.

    Tonight the real General Election begins. Expecting fireworks of the nuclear kind.

  • http://barbarany_9.blogspot.com Barbara

    Obama Assassination Plot???
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/155578?GT1=43002

  • C.S.

    You are so hung up on that tape that you can’t see the forest for the trees. That tape would indite The Missus as being unAmerican, not the “symbol”.

    First time I ever wished that Joe McCarthy was still around to get a whiff of their illegal unAmerican friends and illegal activities because it seems we need someone as ruthless and callous as McCarthy to root out the truth and hound the Obamas until they confessed.

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    Have a look at the NEW Democratic Party–they’re throwing the WORKING CLASS UNDER THE BUS:

    A party of the Western megapolitans and resort communities would be a party less and less like the party of F.D.R., Truman, and Lyndon Johnson. It would be more oriented to the haves than to the have-nots. It would rely more on educated voters. Its approach to social issues would be more matter-of-fact, and candidates would be less fearful of alienating the most reactionary evangelicals. It would be more oriented toward small businesses and thus more skeptical of workplace regulations. It might become a party that puts more emphasis on achieving energy independence and combatting global warming than on providing universal health care and social justice. “It’s a party that becomes more Hispanic, and less African-American,” Kenneth Baer, the co-founder of Democracy: A Journal of Ideas, said. “More oriented toward high-tech workers and less towards labor. It’s the end of the New
    Deal coalition.”

    Schaller sees the American West as a place to refashion a Democratic future—one less tethered to the Party’s old interest groups. “Democrats have the chance in the Western states to forge parties that reflect a post-Great Society, new-economy identity,” he said. “That will be much harder to do on the Eastern Seaboard, where the parties are dominated by Catholics and union households. The Colorado Democratic Party is a much better opportunity to forge a new party than, say, the Democratic Party of New York, which is filled with patronage politicians and dominated by identity politics and the barons of the old New York metropolitan machine.”

    Such changes are not going to take full effect this year, or next, in part because the Obama campaign is wealthy enough to compete in every region of the country. (Think of the Obama organization as a political venture-capital fund with enough money to test various theories of Democratic growth.) The campaign is certainly not about to pursue Western states at the expense of other regions of America. For example, along with Colorado, Virginia is one of Obama’s most important targets.

    It may be more useful to think of “the West” not just as a place beyond the Great Plains but as shorthand for all those places where the demographics are moving in a direction similar to Colorado’s Front Range. In that sense, Obama’s hope to win Virginia is consistent with his party’s Western strategy. Democrats have recently done well there because northern Virginia has become increasingly moderate, suburban, and high-tech; the Party still falls short with rural and culturally conservative voters.

    Democrats often pay homage to the symbols of the American frontier. But the iconography of their Western strategy is not so much about mountains, cowboys, and tumbleweed as it is about tract houses, research labs, and wind farms. Over the next decades, the Party will inevitably follow the lead of politicians like Bill Ritter and focus more attention on the West and all that it represents. As the population and electoral votes flow in that direction, so will the Democrats. ♦

    An NQ poster provided this on another topic thread. It is long, horrifying, and worth the read:

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/01/080901fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

  • hank48188

    I was watching a video a few minutes ago at REALCLEARPOLITICS in the Readers articles section. It was a interview of a Percy Sutton from NY saying Dr. Khalid al-Mansour called him and asked him to write a letter of Recommendation for Obama to Harvard in probably 1988. This Dr. Khalid al-Mansour is advisor to one of the world’s richest men. Obama never wants to talk about long-time connections like this, who is this guy???

  • Get your popcorn here!

    Revenge is indeed a dish best served cold. Hey Kelvin where are you? This dish will be served absolute zero for sure. The Owhiners can only blame themselves for this and I will be laughing my ass off until election day.

  • hank48188

    Michelle Obama worked with Bernadine Dohrn, Ayer’s wife, at a Law firm in Chicago, Michelle hooked Barack up with Bill Ayers long before 1995

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    Carol doesn’t have a problem with how it all ended up, so why do you?

    It wasn’t just her LEGS that were crushed in that accident–her pelvis was, too. As far as a sex life went, that shit was OVER.

    He wanted to be twenty five again, she didn’t.

    Those are HER words.

    She is a regular donor to his campaigns, and a supporter.

    But of course, you know best. There can NEVER be something called an “amicable divorce” in your book, or any divorce AT ALL, eh?

    Uh, you do know that “poor ever-loyal Carol” dumped HER first husband to get with Johnny, don’t you?

    Doesn’t seem like you DO know that…

  • Total

    Obama never directly says a GD thing – then, it’s always “no, I didn’t say that” or “no, that’s not what I meant”…

    Get over it. You know he isn’t real.

  • No for O

    That is correct. He and his minions dished it out at the caucuses wholeheartedly. I witnessed it first hand so no one can tell me his behavior does not resemble thuggery.

  • Sassy

    Bud, thanks for the time you have taken on this!
    Most Americans would be repelled by associates like these. The only way we would be around them is in adjoining cells.
    Thankfully, I won’t land in one…I don’t think!
    These are serious issues, but they are NOT going to be scrutinized on the internet…there are far too many people that this information never reaches!

  • Total

    No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives (Obama friend, William Ayers – 9-11-2001)

    NYTimes ^ 9-11-01 Dinitia Smith

    In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
    ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

    Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970’s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.
    The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

    Now he has written a book, ”Fugitive Days” (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction.
    He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972.

    But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

    ”Is this, then, the truth?,” he writes. ”Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.”

    (Excerpt) Read more at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A... …

    ———

    Obama Needs to Explain His Ties to William Ayers

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/8/22/obama-needs-to-explain-his-...

    “William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama’s Willie Horton.”

    ————
    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_co...

  • Total

    It’s not an “all-in-one” rather from reputable sources

  • http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/nextgenblog/ AdrianS

    “…negative ad designed to smear Barack with the absurd insinuation that he is connected to terrorism.”

    One of Mr. Obama’s many failures is his association with so many radical and extreme “friends”. The connection is to a terrorist radical — Ayers!

    As this “vetting” continues, people will thoroughly realize just what a radical, leftist, socialist, and pro-abortionist Barack Hussein Obama really is. Only then will voters more completely OPPOSE and REJECT Obama. Soon.

  • Dan R.

    Hell, once the Republicans start hammering Obama on his votes against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, he’s gonna wish that Bill Ayers was all he had to worry about.

    Mark this down: Those Obama votes against legislation that was crafted to offer full legal protection to newborn infants, regardless of whether or not they had been born during a botched abortion proceedure, is a game-winning issue for the Republicans if they play it to the hilt.

  • Dan R.

    The Obama people simply don’t get it. Nobody expects anyone to believe that Obama “is connected to terrorism”. But what his pattern of close associations with the likes of Ayers & Wright shows is an affinity for their radical “America sucks” ideological views. And THAT’S something that most Americans don’t want in their president.

  • http://deleted OBSP

    Thank You, I have said for months if we work to get a congress that has balls, all this Roe v Wade will be old news. With medicine being what is is in 2008, this is so a 1988 aurgement. On the issue of the courts, again if the dems have some balls, this will never happen. Past congresses had the balls to stand up, not the Nancy dems, a perfect example is Justice Bork!!!

  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com Pat Hickey

    Ghoul Pool among cops, tradesmen, firemen and fellow thought-criminals at Keegan’s Pub are targeting October 15th as the date when the Obama Campaign slips beneath the foamy brine on the Sea of DespAyers!

    Thanks to Arrogant Ayers and his Odious Old Lady – Kid Hope’s Dreams of His Crazy Uncle Jere ‘ go pop like a tiy-balloon’ ( an Homage to JFK & Blue Eyes).

    This morning Camp Obama issued an attack on WGN ( Tribune Company) -

    http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/08/ayers-and-obama-sic-hyde-park-mafia-on.html

  • Dan R.

    Yeah, and for some reason it was A-OK with them when Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia & Kosovo. And there wasn’t even a suspicion that either of those countries were developingn WMD at the time. I guess if all you have to do is drop a few bombs out of airplanes … i.e.: if it’s an “easy war” …. the Dems are OK with it.

    I have reservations about Hillary too, but at least she’s tough and she’s experienced. I’d definitely vote for her before I’d vote for an inexperienced, lightweight poet socialist like Barack Obama.

  • Dan R.

    Seen the polls lately?

    McCain will win in November.

    Guaranteed.

    Get used to the idea.

  • Total disgust

    One thing that really disgusts me is, today he will except the nomination on the day that MLK made his I Have A Dream speech.
    MLK said, I want to see an America where you are not judged by the color of your skin but more by the content of your character. These were the words of someone BHO claims to admire and respect. I guess he and his followers can easily ignore these words, pick and choose if you will. Call me a racist because I want him vetted before I am willing to turn my beloved America over to him.
    The hypocrisy makes me ill. All the lies that continue to flow at the convention. Where are these peoples minds at? How do they go home and rest with a clear conscience?
    Vet him! Siclair,Ayers,Wright and the list goes on and on. If it is all fabricated than so be it. Address it!
    Character before color!
    Thankyou Martin Luther King.

  • Total disgust

    Exactly. Leaves much to question.

  • Total disgust

    You are uninformed. Start reading some history books.You knoe anyone can still get an EDUCATION in this country. Or maybe you should pull out the Bible first.

  • Joe Lang

    The problem is that, true to your Republican leanings, you are quoting Ayers out of context since it came from a news piece that quoted him entirely out of context.

    If you do your research, you will discover that he was discussing the Vietnam war and feeling as though he had not done enough to protest it and that his discussion regarding not having regrets spoke on that issue, not about bombing.

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. If you want this baseless and silly charge to have any relevance, then give some evidence that-

    1. William Ayers is still involved in the activities he was involved in forty years ago

    2. Obama supports and condones, as well as participates in those activities

    3. Not to mention that Obama supported and condoned those activities when he was eight years old

    If you have any proof that William Ayers has pursued his activities to the present day, bring it forth.

    It is no coincidence, I suppose, that Hillary’s campaign was rife with the Republican approach. Obviously you are a great admirer of the Republican method, which leads me to these questions.

    -The Bush administration has pursued torture as a policy tool and, according to the Neocon document, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, would use biological weapons if they could. Do you, then, support these ideas?

    -The Bush administration has sought to enlarge the power of the Executive over that of the other branches. Do you, then, support these ideas?

    -The Bush administration has reneged on international treaties designed to limit nuclear weapons proliferation in order to facilitate research into more destructive weaponry themselves, adding to world tensions and bringing us closer to nuclear holocaust. Do you, then, support these ideas?

    In other words, are you really a Republican and a Neocon?

    You sure sound like one.

  • Mido

    I listened to that program last night, it was on WGN, AM 720 in Chicago, and the host of the show, which is called Extension 720, Prof. Milt Rosenberg, did an excellent interview with Kurtz. They both explained several times during the interview that NObama’s national headquarters in Chicago had been called letting them know that Kurtz was going to be on, and asking if anyone from Oblah blah’s team wanted to come on the show as well.

    The communications guy at the O! headquarters refused, asked for the producer’s name, and hung up on them. Then the O! Action wire went into borg mode, and jammed up the show’s lines. The calls the host took were shrill O!bots screaming “not fair! He’s a conservative! Where’s our side? Not fair!”

    Again, the host explained that the O! camp had declined to come on and said they were welcome any time. Kurtz laid the case out very plainly, reading from the Annenburg papers that NObama knew Ayers very well, and that they attended many board meetings together, and decided which grant requests would be accepted and which ones would be denied (including many requests that WOULD improve public schools).

    The show was very informative and enjoyable, too, especially when the O!bots, as always, cannot provide one shred of evidence for “their side,” and can only scream and holler about fairness (as if they were ever fair).

  • csuzeq

    I just want to remind Obama supporters who have wanted to set this precedent to remember that you set the bar this low! When it is some sleezy white guy, woman, jew, asian, hispanic, or it really is Paris Hilton or brittany Spears running for POTUS, just remember that they will get to argue how Obama didn’t have any experience either, 143 days in the senate and blah, blah, blah…When it is someone who scares you and you aren’t caught up in the whole black falicy…let me know what you think then, promise?

  • csuzeq

    I’m saying President McCain and am just waiting to vote for him now!

    You should really practice saying it.

  • JayD

    Yeah, the guy is a user. Unfortunately he used some very nasty people to get him to this point in time. He also used the DNC: Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, etc. They, too, will get thrown under the bus as we progress but I will not be upset by this since they deserve the tire tracks on their idiot faces. Pelosi, by the way, is already on her way to the nether regions of Obama’s proverbial bus.

  • Hope Floats

    I’m making popcorn!

  • Hope Floats

    She wasn’t clueless. She was a golddigger! Still is.

  • Hope Floats

    LOL.

  • Hope Floats

    Balanced government works best. The Democrats cannot be trusted with Congress and the presidency, certainly not with Obama at the helm, maybe not even Clinton. That’s shot for at least four years. Dems who are passionate about their party and disappointed with the nominating process this year can work to support downticket Dems who showed courage and principle over this past year and can be trusted to carry out the party’s platform. There are many who have GOT TO GO including the nominee.

  • Hope

    William Ayers is still involved in the activities he was involved in forty years ago

    His involvement 40 years ago is fine with you? That’s telling. Anyway, it’s not only his multiple unpunished acts of violence against our government and private citizens, it’s his lack of remorse.
    You suggest he did not boast about it, well he certainly has not apologized for it.


    Obama supports and condones, as well as participates in those activities

    Obama’s longtime professional and personal relationship and his defending of Ayers (Obama’s comments are quoted accurately in the Ayers ad)is indicative of his condoning of Ayers and his beliefs.
    It seems Obama faces a conundrum, either he condones the behavior of his mentors and pals or…admits
    Like Wright, Pfleger, Rezko,and Davis, there’s no confusion on anyone’s part as to understanding Ayer’s and their core beliefs. The only one who doesn’t seem to see what they are about is Obama, and that’s after knowing these people for decades.
    Which is it? He agrees with them or he’s a fool.
    As far as participating in these activies? Are you batshit crazy? Is that what it would have to take for you to fire off a synapse and realize THE FACT THAT OBAMA SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHILE SEEKING OFFICE IS THE DANGER!!!!!

    And just because it takes a Republican, an Independent, or an AMERICAN to point out the hypocrisy and danger of Obama; that does not mean the facts are wrong. Obama is the one in sheep’s clothing.

  • PewL

    Hope he’s not the ONE,to change the constitution.

  • PewL

    I think 4 more years of Mccain,and security,is better than two days of Obama and unknown security.

  • Hope Floats

    The neoconservatives were once known as “liberals.” They came from the left and infiltrated the Republican party when former Democratic Governor of California Ronald Reagan won in 1980. Washington is stacked with these people in both parties. The power brokers run that town and put up their candidates each year. Obama has the consummate insider as his veep, and the same DC Boys Club propped up his nomination this year. He is not change. McCain shows an independent streak, at least, and has a strong bipartisan and military record. With two wars going on and a Democratic Congress that spends too much, he would be the best choice for this year. There is a strong chance he would only be a one term president, as well. The earmark spending must be reigned in, and the revolving door must stop, or we can see more bogus elections like the ones we’ve had for the past 10 years, more influence peddling and more corruption. My vote goes to the maverick war hero.

  • Hope Floats

    The people who have and are prepared to vote for him.

  • PewL

    I really hope Bush,can do his job,and vet this Obama character.If anyone can get information on Obama the President can… I’ve never wanted the Republicans,to get back into office,so much,than I do today..

    If its not Hillary, we Need Mccain,,He’s safer

  • athy

    Teakwoodkite,
    Thanks for your comment- however I STRONGLY disgree with you about Mr. Scahill.
    Jeremy Scahill is FAR FROM A PUTZ.

    Are we talking about the same Jeremy Scahill?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Scahill

    WHich of his books that you read are you referring to?

    Is it his Blackwater expose which was so well written and documented that our Congress used it as a springboard to open investigations into Private military contracting firms-specifically Blackwater?

    What is your source of information saying that Scahill endorses(d) Sen Obama? Please provide link.
    Thanks.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/scahill (BTW, Excellent publication)

    Blackwater Seeps into the Campaign by Jeremy Scahill, posted online 3/18/08.

    In February 2007, Obama introduced contractor reform and oversight legislation that has become the Democrats’ major plan in the Congress.

    Scahill says legislation would give private military industry tremendous PR victory. The companies could finally claim that legally accountable structure governed their operations, yet they would be well aware that such legislation would be nearly impossible to enforce. Perhaps that is why industry has passionately backed this approach” Scahill.

  • athy

    Ann,
    Please read he following:

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/27/ayers-was-not-just-a-neighbor/

    Ayers Was Not Just A Neighbor
    By Matthew Weaver 8/27/08

    Mr Weaver’s EXCELLENT overview of what we know as facts, to date, about the Ayers/Obama relationship.
    Very troubling. Warrants further investigation.

    Based upon your remarks above,I will assume that you have not read Mr Weaver’s most excellent post.

  • athy

    KarenforClinton-

    Thanks very much for this info. Informative.

    Can you post the link to this -if you have?

    Link is easier to cross post on to other blogs…

    Voters need to understand just exactly what these guys were involved with and…how could this have skipped the notice of Michelle Robinson & Barack Obama. How did they rationalize the friendships? Friendships based on what areas of common interest?

  • athy

    Total-
    Thanks.
    This is great.

  • TheRealMcCain

    The accurate Carol McCain quote was this:

    “I attribute it more to John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again than I do to anything else.”

    I guess an ambitious, 40-year-old man swapping out a loyal but disabled wife for a rich and attractive 24-year-old with political connections hints at nothing but solid traditional values.

    I only mention it because trashing a candidate’s character with anything you can dig up seems like an entirely acceptable tactic around here.

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