Comments on: The Bullying Kind http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Diana L. C. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337399 Diana L. C. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:58:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337399 Solara 9, As a Coloradoan, we have been totally immersed in the Columbine story.  The <em>Rocky Mountain News </em>(which is no longer published) did a great in depth report about the whole thing a few years after the fact in order to cover all the findings.  When the story first came out there was the general belief that these two boys had been bullied.  And sudents in many of the other (there are about 20) Jefferson County highs schools empathized with that, because bullying does occur.  But the actual facts do not support the idea that these two were bullied.  I think Eric Harris was a definite narcissistic psychopath (or sociopath ?) while Dylan Klebold suffered some depression and was easily led by Harris.  It was one of those cases where the meeting and then friendship of those two personalities just created a sort of strange "entity" that was dangerous.  There are several notorious cases of just that happening, where alone each might not have become that dangerous but combined they were terrible dangerous. Now, having taught in Jefferson Couny for many years, and knowing a little about the Columbine area, I would guess there was a great deal of bullying going on, more related to sports jocks and/or class distinction, etc. Solara 9,

As a Coloradoan, we have been totally immersed in the Columbine story.  The Rocky Mountain News (which is no longer published) did a great in depth report about the whole thing a few years after the fact in order to cover all the findings. 

When the story first came out there was the general belief that these two boys had been bullied.  And sudents in many of the other (there are about 20) Jefferson County highs schools empathized with that, because bullying does occur.  But the actual facts do not support the idea that these two were bullied.  I think Eric Harris was a definite narcissistic psychopath (or sociopath ?) while Dylan Klebold suffered some depression and was easily led by Harris.  It was one of those cases where the meeting and then friendship of those two personalities just created a sort of strange “entity” that was dangerous.  There are several notorious cases of just that happening, where alone each might not have become that dangerous but combined they were terrible dangerous.

Now, having taught in Jefferson Couny for many years, and knowing a little about the Columbine area, I would guess there was a great deal of bullying going on, more related to sports jocks and/or class distinction, etc.

]]> By: Sassy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337358 Sassy Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:12:26 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337358 A sixteen year old male, 25 miles from us, shot his grandfather 21 times and stabbed his grandmother 17 times last Saturday. Both of them had expressed their fear of him to other relatives. With the average school having enrollments in the thousands now, who will protect the rights and safety of the majority from the 25, 50, or 100 bullies? The death of this beautiful, young woman is tragic! It won't solve the problem entirely, but those with knowledge of what is going on need to highlight it for as long as it takes! A sixteen year old male, 25 miles from us, shot his grandfather 21 times and stabbed his grandmother 17 times last Saturday. Both of them had expressed their fear of him to other relatives.
With the average school having enrollments in the thousands now, who will protect the rights and safety of the majority from the 25, 50, or 100 bullies?
The death of this beautiful, young woman is tragic!
It won’t solve the problem entirely, but those with knowledge of what is going on need to highlight it for as long as it takes!

]]> By: Solara 9 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337264 Solara 9 Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:37:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337264 Yep--then there is Columbine.  When the bullied have had too much (and there are two or more who have each other for support), they can be far more dangerous than those who did the bullying. Yep–then there is Columbine.  When the bullied have had too much (and there are two or more who have each other for support), they can be far more dangerous than those who did the bullying.

]]> By: Ladydawnelle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337246 Ladydawnelle Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:19:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337246 got to watch out for those grown up bullies though (some carry weapons) got to watch out for those grown up bullies though (some carry weapons)

]]> By: Ladydawnelle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337239 Ladydawnelle Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:15:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337239 who dares question the MASTER painter? Pat, remember, I'm on your "first mail" list of buyers for your first Art Book (lest I'm late) please let us know!  I will FIND the money for it!  I just LOVE your talent!  My daughter paints (not like you) but I just appreciate the talent so much as I'm a sloppy lefty that can't draw myself out of a box!  LOL who dares question the MASTER painter?
Pat, remember, I’m on your “first mail” list of buyers for your first Art Book (lest I’m late) please let us know!  I will FIND the money for it!  I just LOVE your talent!  My daughter paints (not like you) but I just appreciate the talent so much as I’m a sloppy lefty that can’t draw myself out of a box!  LOL

]]> By: Ladydawnelle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337234 Ladydawnelle Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:09:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337234 live the journey and fight the good fight my mantras - they've worked so far but for my daughter who grew up w/out her father around (and he had no excuses) so she's quite cynical about men and I'm sure very high maintenance because of it.  At some point though you either grow UP or OUT of it or find someone who can HELP you adjust!  I hope she finds her soul mate and doesn't shoot him down before he gets the chance to show himself to her.  sigh. live the journey
and
fight the good fight

my mantras – they’ve worked so far
but for my daughter who grew up w/out her father around (and he had no excuses) so she’s quite cynical about men and I’m sure very high maintenance because of it.  At some point though you either grow UP or OUT of it or find someone who can HELP you adjust!  I hope she finds her soul mate and doesn’t shoot him down before he gets the chance to show himself to her.  sigh.

]]> By: creeper http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337112 creeper Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:13:33 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337112 tango, my childhood was as chaotic as yours.  That sure as hell doesn't excuse us but it may explain the anger that surfaced. tango, my childhood was as chaotic as yours.  That sure as hell doesn’t excuse us but it may explain the anger that surfaced.

]]> By: EllenD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337073 EllenD Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:51:33 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337073 Thanks, SYD. I agree that you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. When I grew up there were people called HEROES. These were people who defended those who could not defend themselves or did other unselfish actions. It was related to Chivalry which is not incompatable with my feminist beliefs. Heroes and Knights in shining armor come in all colors and can be of either sex. The one thing that distinguishes them is that they know what is right and what needs to be done and they do it. If they don't do it, they know they will be forever diminished in their own eyes, even if no one else knows or cares. Maybe it was the movies, but these were people you wanted to emulate. Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio..........? Thanks, SYD.
I agree that you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

When I grew up there were people called HEROES. These were people who defended those who could not defend themselves or did other unselfish actions. It was related to Chivalry which is not incompatable with my feminist beliefs. Heroes and Knights in shining armor come in all colors and can be of either sex. The one thing that distinguishes them is that they know what is right and what needs to be done and they do it. If they don’t do it, they know they will be forever diminished in their own eyes, even if no one else knows or cares.
Maybe it was the movies, but these were people you wanted to emulate.

Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio……….?

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337041 Katmoon Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:23:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337041 Tango, thank you for sharing, I know it isn't easy; just know most of us have at the very least thought about bullying, and may have actually done it. To be able to discuss it, is very healing and honestly I think takes a great deal of courage, just to admit, any part of our lives where we have had to come face to face with our own flaws. Tango, thank you for sharing, I know it isn’t easy; just know most of us have at the very least thought about bullying, and may have actually done it. To be able to discuss it, is very healing and honestly I think takes a great deal of courage, just to admit, any part of our lives where we have had to come face to face with our own flaws.

]]> By: ces http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1337030 ces Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:08:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1337030 The ability to call the police during the 4-5 cases of domestic violence I've witnessed has been worth the high price of having a cell phone for years. I never hesitate to call. And I don't know why the teachers didn't do more about stopping the bullies. It didn't have to be about my friend being protected because he was "different", but the jerks needed to be put in place. Last I heard, at least one of them is/was in prison.  The ability to call the police during the 4-5 cases of domestic violence I’ve witnessed has been worth the high price of having a cell phone for years. I never hesitate to call.

And I don’t know why the teachers didn’t do more about stopping the bullies. It didn’t have to be about my friend being protected because he was “different”, but the jerks needed to be put in place. Last I heard, at least one of them is/was in prison. 

]]> By: sowsear http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1336975 sowsear Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:49:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1336975 True, Oowawa, but maybe we should have another post on lost loves (Hillary as well as big lugs) True, Oowawa, but maybe we should have another post on lost loves (Hillary as well as big lugs)

]]> By: oowawa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1336965 oowawa Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:36:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1336965 Oooops--sorry sowsear--deleted my Johnny Cash post.  It was just a little too poppy and pollyanna sweet to stand up on this thread.  I meant it sarcastically, but this whole subject is just too serious for snark. Oooops–sorry sowsear–deleted my Johnny Cash post.  It was just a little too poppy and pollyanna sweet to stand up on this thread.  I meant it sarcastically, but this whole subject is just too serious for snark.

]]> By: sowsear http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1336960 sowsear Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:26:06 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1336960 I still love that big lug ...... :'(                                                     I still love that big lug …… :’(                                                    

]]> By: sowsear http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1336953 sowsear Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:14:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1336953 We want these high-school love stories to have happy endings, and You had to say that , didn't you................... We want these high-school love stories to have happy endings, and

You had to say that , didn’t you……………….

]]> By: oowawa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44535/the-bullying-kind/#comment-1336941 oowawa Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:53:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=44535#comment-1336941 "One boy who had a crush on her for years finally got a date with her and was, it seems, willing to die for that date.  It happened his appendix burst that night, and he didn't tell anyone about the pain until it was almost too late." Ah, romance.  The pain of unrequited and hopeless love.  We want these high-school love stories to have happy endings, and that's why it's so appalling when the romance turns to horror as in the movie <i>Carrie</i> or in the tale of Phoebe Prince's suicide.  It pretty much never ends up like in the old Johnny Cash fantasy: “One boy who had a crush on her for years finally got a date with her and was, it seems, willing to die for that date.  It happened his appendix burst that night, and he didn’t tell anyone about the pain until it was almost too late.”

Ah, romance.  The pain of unrequited and hopeless love.  We want these high-school love stories to have happy endings, and that’s why it’s so appalling when the romance turns to horror as in the movie Carrie or in the tale of Phoebe Prince’s suicide.  It pretty much never ends up like in the old Johnny Cash fantasy:

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