Comments on: Some Dems Don’t Want To Wait; And A Thank You

By: Defense Secretary Gates To Gays, “Stay In The Closet!” OPEN THREAD : NO QUARTER

Sun, 02 May 2010 02:07:59 +0000

[...] Don’t Tell,” has been in the news a good bit of late, including a recent story that some Democrats do not want to wait for the study Obama proposed to conclude December 1, conveniently after the [...]

By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:16:47 +0000

Well, that is the truth of the matter right there: “I suppose as a gay person the truth is we have NO solid support in the Democratic Party and no support whatsover by the republican party.”

No one was as supportive of us as Hillary. Hell, she’s marched in more Pride Parades than I have. Obama won’t get near them with a ten foot pole. Palin is definitely more conservative, though she did sign into law a bill that gay state employees in AK have all the same rights as everyone else does, so there’s that.

But here’s the thing – NOTHING has changed yet! We still have DOMA, DADT, and far more states that have outlawed same sex marriage than allow it. So, yeah – the Dems may pay more LIP service to our rights, but the proof, as they say, is in the pudding…

Great comment!

By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:12:23 +0000

Thanks, Katmoon! I appreciate that. It really is just amazing to read this. Wow!

By: creeper

creeper — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:03:28 +0000

CDP, put that Dem playbook away before some obot sees it and charges you with theft.

By: creeper

creeper — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:54:41 +0000

Funny, isn’t it, how enlightened these “savages” were.

Homosexuality is also accepted by the San Blas indians of Panama. Gay males spend their days with the women, making molas while other men to go farm and fish. This situation isn’t considered remarkable or unique or even worthy of debate. It’s just the way things are.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:54:14 +0000

“One more lesson in watching what pols do, not listening to what they say.”

That is a great way to look at it, creeper. It is all about their actions.

By: creeper

creeper — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:47:44 +0000

Ferd, I’m new to Grassley’s party, too. For years I disliked him because I bought the Dem catechism that he had to be bad because he was a Republican.

Then we elected Bruce Braley and I got a good look at how bad a pol can be.

One more lesson in watching what pols do, not listening to what they say.

By: ANonOMouse

ANonOMouse — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:35:56 +0000

RRRA: I think a lot of gay people, especially the youngest, were not paying attention to how the rhetoric of Obama squared with the actions of Barack Obama. They just jumped on the bandwagon (many because their friends were) and pulled the lever for the Dem, because dems have traditionally, at least rhetorically, supported (some) gay rights. Hillary, had a demonstrated history of attending pride marches as well as a commitment to the repeal of DOMA & DADT. Sarah Palin almost but not quite, had the same position on gay marriage as Obama and Hillary, but wasn't and isn't for the repeal of DOMA or DADT and Palin both supported and voted for her states Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. Palin's position on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1130123/constitutional_divide_mccain_and_palin.html Palin on the repeal of DADT: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0207/Sarah-Palin-hints-at-presidential-run-in-2012 Repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell” not a priority: “I don't think so right now," she said on repealing the ban on gays serving openly in the military. She added, "I'm surprised that the President spent that on his State of the Union speech when he only spent about nine percent of his time in the State of the Union on national security issues." I suppose as a gay person the truth is we have NO solid support in the Democratic Party and no support whatsover by the republican party. I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and I won't vote for him in 2012 either, but I also won't vote for someone who is actively working against full parity in the law for LGBTQ's.

By: Katmoon

Katmoon — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:30:19 +0000

Rev Amy, I have a site I can refer you to as well, The citation and writer is: (My apologies, I had thought this posted). CITATION: If you cite this Web page, please use the following form of citation: Andrew Calimach, World History of Male Love, "Homosexual Traditions", The Two-Spirit Traditon, 2000 <http://www.gay-art-history.org/gay-history/gay-customs/native-american-homosexuality/two-spirit-native-american-gay.html> And there is further reading I can pass on as well.

By: EllenD

EllenD — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:14:53 +0000

If you want to see how the native Americans handled it, rent “Little Big Man”, one of my favorite movies.

By: jwrjr

jwrjr — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:10:17 +0000

Possibly “Don’t ask, don’t tell, and just let me eat my waffle”?

By: EllenD

EllenD — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:07:16 +0000

All this nonsense about showering & sleeping and living with others is exactly what was used against having women in the military.

By: EllenD

EllenD — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:04:28 +0000

I guess it should have been called “Don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t push me, I’ll get there eventually.”

By: AC

AC — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:53:14 +0000

Like alot!

By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:47:24 +0000

candymarl, you are so right. I just did not understand why SO many LGBT people were willing to give Obama a pass. So many Dems demonized Sarah Palin for her stance on same sex marriage even though it is IDENTICAL to Obama’s.

You said it, though – Obama has associates – check that – very close friends, like Rep. Rev James Meeks, who are ACTIVELY anti-gay, and yet the GLBT community thinks he cares ANYTHING for us? Please. It’s just complete and utter denial – and it is ending up costing us. Hillary would not have engaged in all of this BS delay tacticts that Obama is using, that’s for sure!