“The Tea Party Is Not A Legitimate Movement”

The Tea Party Movement is not a NEW movement. It is just the same old far-right of this country. They are just more vocal these days because they do not think a democratic government is a legitimate government. In addition, they are more vocal because of all the corporate money that is behind them from groups like Freedom Works. They are essencially just sore losers. In addition, you can add a heavy element of racism. It is also very questionable just how many people’s views they represent in this country and whether they have any real influence on getting anyone elected. They represent a menage of far right wing ideas, quite far from the mainstream.

More lies, more distortions and just more reasons why I am no longer a Democrat and no longer want to be a part of the left in any way, shape or rhetoric.

And of course, always, always play the race card. It is not the “Tea Party People” that are the racists, it is the left that smears them.

I cannot say often enough how very sorry I am that I ever identified myself as a Democrat or a liberal. They are the party of smears and lies. They are the party of name-calling and racists.

There is plenty wrong with the GOP and the right. And there ARE racists and homophobes there too. But note I say too.

The right tried to wrap itself in the flag and portray itself as the only patriotic people around because they supported the war(s). They were liars and fools.

Now that the left is in power they wrap them self in the civil rights movement and portray themselves as the reincarnation of MLK.

The left of today wouldn’t make a pimple on MLK’s ass. He wanted race to be unimportant. They want race to be everything.

As for Rendell, once he jumped on the Obama Band Wagon he became just another lying sack of shit Obamacrat. Any politician that smears ordinary citizens for dissenting is un-American, out-of-step, and more concerned with their party than with their country.

I have friends and family who are a part of the Tea Party Movement. They are for fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Not far from the mainstream at all. In fact a hell of a lot closer than any of the trolls, liars and race-baiters that come here just to spout lefty talking points.

Do your howework

Rev. Amy—-Thanks for the post.
In my opinion, Ed Rendell doesn’t really mean what he’s saying, that’s what makes his remarks so insidious. He’s just being political. The same with Bill Clinton. Both of those guys have always marched to a little different beat than the rest of the Dems…..have been their own men, and that’s why I liked them. But now, they apparently each want or need something from the Dems and Obama and so they’ve publicly stopped being true to what they believe. But they are in politics, and that’s what you do in politics. You act politically. We just hate to see it when it’s people we used to respect. I know I do! It’s very depressing to watch, and extremely damaging to the forces of fairness.
Shame on them.

The Democrats are the party of hate.  And the Alinski method of ridicule is continuing though it is backfiring.

Do your homework, troll

Too bad I can only click “Like” for this post once!

Well said, Carol.  I saw a clip this morning abt the Anti-AZ law protests, how they were throwing bottles of water at the cops, and are being described as “peaceful.”  Yet Tea Party protesters, who have had NO ONE arrested at their rallies, are called violent.  Go figure!!

Not legitimate?  Does he mean like that HOUNDDOG group he tried to form to help attack the Hillary PUMA’s?

As a PA state employee I’ve seen his horrific leadership first hand.  The man broke federal labor laws by not paying us last summer for many weeks while he was using us as a bargaining chip on the budget.  We were Budget Hostages and we had to work for FREE or face losing our jobs permanently.  Our union organized a march on Harrisburg and he agreed the next day to figure out a way to pay us.  Meanwhile state troopers, prision guards, health care workers, etc. went for 6 weeks with NO pay at all and many of them could not pay any of their bills and had their credit ruined as a result – for no fault of their own.

Interesting that you say that, MrX.  I saw another report this morning of a Vodcast calling for people to go to Wall Street and burn it down, to take pitchforks, guns, knives, mace, clubs, etc., and tear it down.  BUT – that is someone on the ELFT calling for it, so it is not being characterized as “dangerous,” or “inciting a riot.”  Big surprise, not.

Cindy, you are spot on.  And yes, it is hard when it’s someone we used to respect…

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Not surprising really. The left and far left have always felt that dissent and protest we’re something reserved for them and them only.

A website I used to read a lot in my radical days is no different in their ananlysis of the Tea Party than Ed Rendells. No legitimate gripe can ever come from the “right”, and if it appears, it’s “concocted” and “fabricated” and shows:

“The reactionary policies advocated by this movement are not popular with the American people, and if the Tea Party forces were presented before the public in an accurate light, they would not garner significant support. This is not, however, a reason for complacency. The growth of extreme right-wing elements is a real danger.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/teap-f09.shtml
The “Tea Party” movement in the US: A right-wing media creation

I can’t believe I used to take this shit seriously.

Racism racism racism blah blah blah blah…. racists racists racists blah blah blah blah.  Talk to the hand.

b—I am so sick of the trolls who come here to be the first to annoy.  I don’t read but scan for it–”racism.”  The next time I see that word, I’m flagging you.  You don’t know the ethnic backgrounds of the people who comment here or of their past experiences and actions in regard to issues of race, though you do know most of us approve a little of a lot of what the Tea Partiers represent, yet you feel cofident in calling Tea Partiers–and, thus, us by extension. 

I believe that most Tea Partiers don’t like either parties, and so to call them right wingers is just your left-over fear of the neo-cons.  Get over it.  Bush, Cheney, Rove–they’re all out of power.

KarenforC,  that’s horrible. This is the man that has the nerve to condemn his fellow Americans for peaceful protests? What a hypocritical scumbag. I guess the MSM forgot to point out what he did to his fellow Americans while allowing him to denigrate others. Wow, what a surprise!

I used to like and respect Ed Rendell, but as Rev. Amy, kenoshamarge and Cindy pointed out (and most likely more since I started writing this response), once he began to act like a Republican (stabbing HRC in the back), I’ve lost all respect for him and his party.

The Tea Party movement is such a threat to the Dems in the 2010 election that shills like Rendell are being trotted out to continue the repetition of descriptives like racist, insignificant, uneducated, out of the mainstream, etc.  The truth is that they are educated fiscal conservatives that have actually managed to do the one thing that GWB and BHO failed to do:  unite the American people.

As far as the media’s alleged role in the success of the Tea Party, it amounts to nothing more than the Dems and their shills playing a dangerous game that they will most assuredly lose.

In the end, the Tea Partiers and their sympathizers will laugh all the way to the ballot box, just like they did in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts 

Hey Ed, the hound is smarter and more perceptive???? Bite me.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/02/puma-vs-hound-the-acronym-war/

Yes, I particularly felt the refried beans swastika was a nice friendly gesture.

Ohmygosh, Karen, I completely forgot abt the Hounddog Group!!  Holy smokes – thanks for reminding of us.  That was, may I say, completely assholic on his part.  Sheesh!

Isn’t it funny how when you stop being a “partisan” and start being an American you see things as they really are not as the corrupt media and the “talking points” we are fed would have us believe.

Thanks for another great post RRRA! I was so busy ranting I forget to thank you. And I am thankful for you and all the others here who seek to get the truth out so that people can make up their own minds about what is going on in this country. Lord knows the corrupt media isn’t going to do it.

A biased and dishonest media is a danger to Democracy. A lying politician is just a fact of life. The only thing more dangerous than a lying politician is a fool that believes them without at least 3 kinds of proof. (None of it coming from the Lamestream Media. They can’t be trusted.)

It’s okay OD2EB, I will stand right beside you as one who used to take it seriously, too.  I am somewhat proud, though, to know I’ve grown up. 

The thing is no matter what they call us or how they portray us, unless they defraud the voting process this fall and in 2011, the only thing they are accomplishing is to further galvanize us.  And they must know that their claims are hollow.  Whether one subscribes to a particular religion or no religion, one of the moral lessons we teach our children or is taught to us as children is that “Might doesn’t make right.”  It’s a message we get from our parents, teachers and society at large in myriad ways.  So, “Speak on sweet lips that never told a lie”, I still own my vote and the day of reckoning is a’comin.  Can’t wait! 

Yeah, they were worried about us, that’s why they made the Hound to counter the PUMA and now they made the Coffee to counter the Tea.

Well their two groups are the frauds and copycat groups.  We are the real deal and we are the ones who do not lower ourselfs to make crap up!

We hate the lies and the fraud and most of all we hate them accusing us constantly of things they actually do.    They are certainly assoholics.

yep, all hopey changey peace and love.

Anthony—you’re so right about the ballot box.
 We have one powerful tool that they can’t take away from us: our VOTE.

A ploy against the Tea Party:

“Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.”

Has this ploy been attempted against No Quarter?  I would say it has . . .

Add the 18M+ (of us) who supported HRC to those who aren’t buying this line of crap

oowawa:  I agree.  But has it worked?  The only thing the bots have accomplished is to make themselves look like the fools they are.  What’s that saying?  “Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

A lying politician is just a fact of life.

But Kenoshomarge—They don’t SEE it as lying….”it’s just politics”. Like when the mob does a hit…. it’s not murder, “it’s business”.
And you’re so right about when we stop being partisans and start being Americans!
If I may, I’d like to paraphrase the First Muslim, I mean First Lady, and say that for the first time in my adult life, I feel more like a real American, because I am no longer a partisan!

I have two responses for Rendell.  The polite one is “The Tea Party is not a legitimate movement?  You wish.”  The other one is to wonder if Rendell is insane, rabid, or simply stupid.

I think its a result of those “jobs” that BHO created.  You know, the $1 per posts little snots that came out during the ’08 election….

Rendell is Mr. Affability.  He gets by on being clever and coming across as a good time Charlie.  “Well, I don’t agree with everything he says, but he seems like a really nice guy.”  This kind of charm is wearing a little thin, IMHO.

Rendell is Mr. Affability.  He gets by on being clever and coming across as a jolly and friendly family member.  “Well, I don’t agree with everything he says, but he seems like a really nice guy.”  This kind of charm is wearing a little thin, IMHO.

Racism doesn’t even mean much anymore, the term is so misused now. It is funny that people thought Obama would bring in some kind of healing when he has done everything possible to inflame people against each other. He had the race cards in his pocket from the start… remember this? “he has a funny name… and did I mention he is black? Those words came out of the great one’s mouth. This wasn’t some supporter, it was him. He planted the racism himself. Apparently, of all the tools in his bag, he felt the race card was the one he neded to use. Pathetic.  But worse is the people who can’t see it or who won’t see it. What is worse than pathetic? The network news rooms are full of them, whatever that is.

HARP—-it’s really not so bad if you turn down the sound

Seriously, what vile dogs those people are.  And scary!

throwing bottles of water at the cops, and are being described as “peaceful  - That is propaganda. We don’t have real news in this nations airwaves anymore. Just mostly propaganda from everybody except FOX and mostly entertainment from FOX. No news. Just propaganda and entertainment. The White House believes that for practical purposes whatis broadcast on the news is reality. Maybe they ought to just scrape the grass off he White House lawn and just astroturf it. Better yet, why not just make a White House set in Hollywood and get some famous director to stage White House productions. At least they would be entertaining that way. I don’t see the need to keep an actual White House anymore. It’s all stagecraft now.

It very well could be part of “Organizing for America”.  And that’s paid for, in part, by taxes.

Just know that Hillary and Bill have become glorified tools for That One. Whatever they once were or could have been is in the past. Either of them now are just bridges by which good people can be led to the koolaid fountains.

What i can’t wait for is when Obama’s special little committee comes out with their list of things to cut and taxes to raise to do a knock-out blow on the deficit, just how many people will cry “FOUL!” because THEIR program got cut or THEIR special interest is hurt. The baby boomers generation stands ready to suck the lifeblood out of the next several generations because they won’t see social security or Medicaid get touched, Republicans can’t have taxes raised, and every interest group in America won’t see spending cut.

But its okay, because everyone is worried about the deficit.

I don’t see the Tea Party as racist or violent but count me skeptical on their ability to follow through on constructive solutions once their candidates are voted in. With more than 50% of tea partiers, according to some polls, still approving of Bush — does that mean they are OK with his fiscal policy too ?  If those people somehow go on to vote for a genuine deficit hawk, then they are in the clear. If they vote for someone with views like their own, that will be less helpful.

True conservatives held their tongue during the Bush administration out of a commitment to the party, but Washington has a way of turning good Republicans bad.

Here is an audio from the historical campaign. “Did I mention he was black”? Only every day.

Exactly, and remember what came out of the Whitehouse just before the law was signed in AZ
 
Hours before Brewer offered her signature; Obama criticized the effort as “misguided” and said it “threatened to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”
 
AZ must have dented someone’s ego here by actually doing something for the American people!

Cripes – I forgot about the H.O.U.N.D. thing too – I remember we PUMAS bombarded ole Ed with emails regarding his NEW policy – his replies were pretty snarky too but he didn’t resort to calling us f*ckers like the guy from California did when we were protesting the fraud’s takover of the DNC & how there was not going to be a floor vote for Hillary at the Convention and we bombarded all of the delegates including the supers requesting nicely (IMO) that Pelousy actually do a floor vote – of course – delegates were threatened if they were going to dare cast their vote for Hillary – I am so glad that I no longer owe any loyalty, allegiance, thought – whatever for the Democractic Party – I am an Independent and will vote person – not party

BTW – possibility of woman running for Gov of MN but will not be able to vote for her – she is a flaming and I do mean flaming Progressive Democrat and damm proud of it too – too bad – we need more women in office but can’t vote for more of the same shit – differnent pol

I’m not ready to give up on Rendell & the Clintons yet. If I immediately gave up on friends who say things I don’t agree with, I wouldn’t have any friends.

In a poll, 57% of Tea Party followers had a favorable opinion of President George W. Bush, despite the fact that he was a deficit spender, expanded government, and increased the national debt from $5.7 trillion to $11 trillion.  He also bailed out the banks, introduced the TARP legislation, suspended Habeas Corpus, and listened in to Americans’ phone calls and emails without a warrant.

There is something else going on when these people like W, but hate Barack for continuing W’s policies. 

RRRA,

I say let them spout this drivel.  It’s all a ploy to “frame” the discussion–using the Lakoff approach.  They hope that by minimizing the Tea Partiers and claiming that they are not going to last, etc., they will create that idea in the minds of all the voters.  Let them do it, because it won’t work and they’ll be the surprised ones come November.  

They just can’t get out of the box of thinking either/or, black/white.  In their minds a voter is one or the other.  They haven’t yet really understood the concept of “independent.”

That’s why I am sitting here–not being Repub, not being Dim, not really being a TPer, just being myself.  They’ll see how many people like me, but not like me because each is himself or herself are out here waiting to see how things go from now until November.  We’ll all decide for ourselves how to vote then.

“I don’t see the Tea Party as racist or violent but count me skeptical on their ability to follow through on constructive solutions once their candidates are voted in”
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I have friends in NJ who tell me that Christie knows he’s on a short leash, and they haven’t abandoned their watch just because he won.

I have some faith in the American people because after 8 years of GWB and now 2 with Bush III, most of us realize that the ‘other’ party is just as corrupt as the one we’ve voted out.

AND

With the demise of Bush and the GOP they had no reason to actually play it. This is something deeper. It’s like 14-16 years of Dem frustrution as a weak ass minority party and then losing to Bush in 2000 and 2004, and despite whatever they said publically I’m sure having to rally around GWB after 9/11 pissed them off to no end, has set off a pathological response.

It’s not just good enough to beat the GOP and maybe run DC like adults. No, they’re gonna get all smug in 2007/2008 and go with a race card weilding half-black community organizer with a well known but downplayed radical past, and try to enact another completely radical agenda.

It’s like the only thing the Dems learned in the wilderness is that they need to be and act worse than the GOP in the name of enacting this long repressed agenda that’s not taking into account the state of the nation.

Meanwhile we’re stuck in the middle of it, like innocent bystanders in a shootout between two rival mexican drug cartels. And they wonder why we’re pissed off?

Yikes! That’s why I tell people, I didn’t leave the Democratic party, I fled in terror and considered getting a retraining order.

And as you have no doubt noticed, b removed his/her post.  I tell you, that is but one of the features of this new comment operation that really bugs me. 

It is the new MO of the Obots – put in a comment that is offensive, or calls us all racists, or whatever, then delete it to try and make respodners look foolish.  Blech.

I smell desperation.

you’ve said this dozens of times in the past week.  Can it already.  We get the message.  You can’t stand the Clinton’s. 

I guess you are a Bush hugging republican then? 

I disagree with you 100%.  To call either of them tools for obama is crazy talk.

Many of us don’t “like W but hate “The Changeling” for continuing his policies, surfered.

We’re just sick and tired of people from either party shitting all over us, and then sending out their shills to defend them with weak comparisons and phony poll numbers!

Get it now?

Thanks, btw, for filling us in on the latest talking points    

Many of us don’t “like W but hate “The Changeling” for continuing his policies”, surfered. 
 
We’re just sick and tired of people from either party shitting all over us, and then sending out their shills to defend them with weak comparisons and phony poll numbers!  
 
Get it now? 
 
Thanks, btw, for filling us in on the latest talking points      

“Fairness”?  It is ILLEGAL to be in the country ILLEGALLY.  What the hell is unfair abt that?  It is unfair when immigrants come here LEGALLY, pay tons of money, take lots of time, go through piles of paperwork, then have people just cross over the border without bothering to go through ANY of the hoops.  THAT is unfair. 

I just do not understand how expecting people to obey the law of the land can be construed as “unfair” when it comes to illegal immigrants.  But that’s just me…

Exactly.  Vote for the best person, not the best party … because right now, there is no best party.

The racist meme will eventually fail because real racists don’t care about being labeled. People who aren’t racist feel hurt and offended for a few moments, but then realize it’s just a bunch of BS. After a couple of months, the word racism has lost all meaning as we are now starting to see.

Inflammatory language like that has a short self life. The media is still trying to use but it’s like trying to push a dead horse down the street. Most people aren’t buying it anymore.

EllenD, since the election, I pretty much don’t have any social friends, and family get-togethers have ceased completely.  And you know what?  It’s okay.  My jaw is locked, and I can’t absorb any more political BS from friends, family, the MSM, and least of all from former political “allies” like the Clintons or Rendell.  I see the way the battle lines are shaping up, and times have changed, and so have my attitudes: c’est la vie–”things ain’t like they used to be, and this ain’t the Summer of Love . . . “

You remind me of a three-year-old…”But HE did it!  Why can’t I?”

If that is crazy talk, then the Clinton’s are the craziest of us all.

I hope you’re not shouting at me there RRR Amy LOL  

I love it when you get going, Marge.  Righteous rant.

Yes, I agree vote the best candidate. But don’t kid yourself that they aren’t going to have a party and need the backing of big interests once they get to Washington.

There is also the very human tendency to loathe those that fooled us into believing that they were the “good” guys. We never, most of us, had a faith or belief in the right. So they didn’t “fool” us. The left did.

I don’t know about anyone else here and can only speak for myself but I will never forgive those that “fooled” me or myself for being fooled.

Now I don’t trust anything they say and only half of what they do. At least half of what they do is done to get the voters to support them not because a bunch of corrupt politicians had a sudden “come to Jesus” moment.

If and when a pol does what they say they will do and do it often I may have some respect for them. Even if I don’t agree with them at least I will respect their honesty. But that doesn’t mean I’ll ever trust a damn politician again. Once burned – forever shy for me.

Amen to that, Cindy!

You’re right, Anthony – many of us are not buying this hooey they’re trying to sell us.

Doc, sigh – I know what you mean.  It is so hard to completely give up on Hillary.

I agree, oowawa – I think that has been a part of how Obama does business all along.  That’s how he ran his Primary campaign, presidential campaign, and how he is running the country. 

So, yes – his minions are trying it here, but I also agree that it shows much more abt THEM than it does abt us.  And what it shows abt them is telling indeed.

Thanks for posting that Harp. It’s ugly. It’s the ugly truth about Democrats. I hope to see this posted everywhere Democrats congregate, so they can look at themselves in the mirror. 

But, but, but – I thought Barack was supposed to be the ANTI-BUSH, and you are admitting he is continuing Bush’s flawed policies?  WOW, folks – this is a red letter day!! 

I said all along that Obama was Bush II, and that HILLARY would not continue the very same policies against which we railed when Bush was in power.  Obama sure has, though, even EXPANDING some of the more egregious ones.  But somehow, people like Surfered REFUSE to make that connection.  It would be funny if it wasn’t so disastrous for the country.

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Main Content Obama seeks to ‘reconnect…young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women’ for 2010 – Ben Smith: Obama seeks to ‘reconnect…young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women’ for 2010Ben Smith

Politico.com

Obama seeks to ‘reconnect…young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women’ for 2010

The Democratic National Committee this morning released this clip of the president rallying the troops, if rather coolly, for 2010. Obama’s express goal: “reconnecting” with the voters who voted for the first time in 2008, but who may not plan to vote in the lower-profile Congressional elections this year.

Obama speaks with unusual demographic frankness about his coalition in his appeal to “young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again.”

Turning out those so-called “surge” voters — who turned out for the first time to back Obama, but who sat out gubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia last year — has become the Democrats’ central pre-occupation for the midterm elections, and the new Democratic effort to nationalize the election around Obama and his agenda mark an attempt to energize those voters. 

So strange that the left is smearing the very adriot use of social media that got Obama elected.

This is what I meant by the Clintons being bridges. So, if I think they have become tools, then I am a Bush hugger? The love for the Clintons will pull good people into the koolaid. I know it. I don’t mean to pick off scabs. Just sayn.

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THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STARTS

What can you expect when TheLightbringer himself is a RACIST and a

DIVIDER?

HERE IS THE LINK, THERE ARE OVER 2,000 REPLIES ALREADY AND IT SEEMS,
SO FAR, NONE OF THEM FOR ‘THE ONE’

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Obama_seeks_to_reconnectyoung_people_AfricanAmerins_Latinos_and_women_for_2010.html

LOL – oh, you know I’m not!  It is purely emphasis, I promise! 

He wants to make the 2010 elections about race. Why not? The 2008 election was about race. Every damn thing now is about race. This is his ultimate legacy. He isn’t like Lincoln. He is the anti-Lincoln.

AA, that’s a disgusting thought…that we’re paying for the ravings of these hopium addicts.

The irony, the irony…

I am following the campaign of Andrew Romanoff in Colorado.  He recently was outspent by Bennet, who has deep Washington money pockets, 10-1.  Romanoff whipped Bennet in the caucuses, which surprised many Dims here.  He promised to accept no lobby or special interest money and kept his promise.  Part of my goal as an independent is to take the money OUT of politics somehow.

I was reading the Denver Post this morning and became sick because of two stories that covered the money raising activities of the Dims and the Repubs in the state.  It occurred to both Paul and me that if all that campaign mone would just be given to the state and if the current reps and officials would take it and sit down and honestly try to find the best way to spend it, we might not need to cut budgets or raise taxes.

Get the campaign laws changed. 

It’s actually quite a bit more than a “race card”, it’s an ideology, a philosophy whose roots are black liberation theology — of the kind preached to obama for over 20 years from jerry wright’s pulpit and hammered on again and again in obama’s own writings.  It’s not so much a ploy as a a system of belief that is not “played” so much as inculcated and hoped by obama and his die-hards to take hold; first among all those guilty, white liberals who write big checks and give flashy fundraisers (but who go home to their gated communities) and by all the hip, fresh college students who have somehow linked BLT to neo-socialism and the ideology of social engineering (something they think came about through their own intellectualism and has no historical record) and now, finally, in obama’s public pleas to all the other “downtrodden”, hispanics, native Americans and, uh yeah, wimmen. 

I don’t think it’s a ploy or a play.  It’s a plan.  

I think Barry’s going to have to provide them a better reason for turning out than “Because I said so.”  That one’s wearing a little thin.

This should be titled “The Audacity of The Audacity of Hope”!!

“The Changeling” actually believes he can spout the same talking points to the same constituency(ies) he screwed and have the audacity believe they’re still buying into it?!

He’s getting lazy, and I’m insulted.  Even Dubbya was smarter than this…

Also, conspicuously missing is His (bow your head) call to the LGBT community. WTF?! Its getting mighty crowded under the bus…..

RRRA,  It could also be marching orders from on high — get your shots in but leave no trace.  If “b” or other bots continue this sort of tactic, maybe this blog should consider banning them altogether.  Throwing a written sucker punch and then evaporating serves no useful purpose.

Marge, I think that last is why we see people making positive comments about Bush.  For all his dog-awful policies, he never lied about his aims.  He might’ve lied to accomplish them (see: WMD in Iraq and Yellowcake Uranium) but you always knew exactly where he was going.

I still can’t stand the man but after a year+ of Obama I’d welcome him back with open arms, if for no other reason than that he loves the USA and its citizens.  What a shame that’s even an issue these days.

The obots only come to create chaos.  Here, you’ve written a very informative post that deserves comments pertaining to the subject matter, but you won’t get any from the obots.  I don’t believe any of them have ever had an original thought.

I never respond to them, because that is what they crave…for someone to reply to their foolishness, so they can get something started and take over the conversation.  If they are ignored, there will be no point for them to keep coming.  I realize how difficult not responding to them is, though.  They do say the most inane things.

I bet you are right, AA.  That probably is exactly what they were told. 

It used to be, before this format change, that people HAD to leave a working email address (failure to do so resulted in immediate banning).  But not any more!  Sheesh…

I hear ya, Doc.  I know exactly what you mean.  It’s a good point.  Just makes me sad, you know?

Just to make sure you understand, this is the real reason NP could not allow a floor vote at the Convention:  HRC pledged delegates from vote binding states.  That is, 13 (thirteen) states I identified have laws requiring pledged delegates elected in party primaries/caucuses must vote at the Convention for the candidate they were elected to represent.  It would have been impossible to continue the false meme that BO enjoyed overwhelming support when the whole country, believing only that delegates must use their “good conscience,” per the DNC Call (rules); witnessed states like CA – a vote binding state – cast 204 votes for HRC.  That’s why BO fought so hard to convert these pledged delegates for HRC in vote binding states, BEFORE the Convention, just in case NP wasn’t able to call off the floor vote!  (See the sidebar of my blog for letters I wrote to A’sG in these vote binding states, alerting them that BO and his people, by trying to get these delegates to change their votes, were enticing them to break the law.  The GA AG, Therbert Baker, (D), wrote to GA HRC delegates reminding them about their obligations under the laws of GA!)

EllenD, Cindy was right.  I, too, once defended Gov. Rendell across the blogosphere.  Until I saw him on FOX, close to the Convention, saying, ‘There’s no such thing as a pledged delegate; the DNC got rid of the ‘robot rule’ a long time ago.’  But, if knew about those 13 vote binding states, Mr. Rendell did, too.  THERE IS SUCH A THING AS PLEDGED DELEGATES, IN THOSE STATES!  I flooded the airwaves with the facts; Ricki Lieberman began posting my work in her newsletter.  A few days later, Howard Wolfson was on FOX.  ‘Well, actually, in some states, the law requires that pledged delegates…’  I was howling!

I remember jbjd – we PUMAs received so many nasty, nasty, nasty replies back from the congressional delegates – not so much from the people delegates – the rep from CA as mentioned above – I still have all that shit saved on my computer – I remember you from PUMApac too & have been following your efforts on your site – I still absolutely loathe that fraudulent POS taking up space in the WH & can hardly wait for him to be impeached…………. loathe, loathe, loathe – I cannot listen to him speak, cannot bear to even see his ugly (IMO) face with those big purple lips – ugh ugh ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am still one of Hillary’s 18 million but the hope?? is fading – I’m leaning more toward Sarah Palin – at least she’s not lying & she talks like me

Obama dubya2—Great comment.

I also think it would behoof everyone to take a more in-depth, skeptical look at the how the tea-party movement by itself will take lasting political form. Not sure what this has to do with being a Hillary supporter…

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“Fairness”?  It is ILLEGAL to be in the country ILLEGALLY.  What the hell is unfair abt that? 

It is unfair when immigrants come here LEGALLY, pay tons of money, take lots of

time, go through piles of paperwork, then have people just cross over the border

without bothering to go through ANY of the hoops. 

THAT is unfair.  
 
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Thank you for saying that, RRRAmy!

That describes my family and I  in 1970.

We are disgusted!

Just look at the whole picture. Rendell’s term for Governor ends in 2010. What happens then? This guy loves the spotlight – if not as Mayor of Philadelphia, Gov of Pa, Sports commentator for the Eagles, etc.. What is he to do after his 2nd term as Governor is over?

He is no different than many other politicans. He needs a job and needs to kiss Obama and the PTB butts to get it.. this could be reason for some of his comments.

Wonder if he’s got his eye on the Supreme Court nomination? Just a hunch since we know he is not running for the Senate seat Obama promised to Specter.

hhmmm… there’s got to be a prize at the end of the game you know. No one does this for free.. we’ll have to wait and see.

Besides trying to “frame” the MSM’s message about the Tea Partiers as a “small” disorganized group that will not go anywhere, Rendell is also picking up the “frame” about jobs coming soon that Biden tried to start.  They’re hoping that their “hope” in regard to the job situation will could the minds of all those people who don’t have jobs, making them afraid that the Repubs will not give them that “hope.”

Wasn’t it ACORN’s Bertha Lewis who compared the Tea Parties to bowel movements? I rather like this euphemism, it could be useful.

“Excuse me, I have to attend to a Tea Party.”

Doesn’t that sound sooooo much more sophisticated than, “Man, I gotta take a dump!”?

Now if you’ll excuse me, I really Doo have to attend to a Tea Party.

Thanks, Breeze.  I mean, it’s one thing when having to flee one’s country due to persecution, etc., but that’s not abt what I mean.  I mean people who are coming over the borders intentionally skirting the law.  Like in AZ, for instance.

I heard today that AZ has the SECOND highest rate of kidnappings in the WORLD because of gangs from Mexico (#1 is Mexico City, in case you were wondering).  That is just plain shocking.

And yes – it IS unfair for people to go through the system to become legal citizens or carry green cards in this country, and those who basically are cheating.  How else can one see it than that?  Sure they want jobs – I get that – but they are here ILLEGALLY.  And now Obama wants to challenge the Constitutionality of making sure people are here legally??  Does anyone else think that sounds a bit off?

Anyway – it all seems to be part and parcel of how issues are being framed now.

Do you really have to pick only one?

oowawa—I understand what you’re saying, and although I think I know why they’re(Clinton and Rendell) saying what they are saying, I’ve cut the chord with them.  I put their names on balloons and let them go with the wind. I can’t save ‘em and don’t want to…….. it’s every one for himself now. Like the battle lines, you talk about.
 I don’t feel hatred towards them like I do other political toadies.
What I feel is much worse, and that is, I feel disappointment.
Personally, I would rather someone who once respected me tell me that they hate me, rather than tell me they’re disappointed in me. That is a deep and meaningful cut, and usually a lasting one.

I never thought that I would see the day , but by 2012 racist will be a badge of honor. I will mean that you love the country, do not buy the bs and vote with your mind. You take country over color.

WOMAN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Activists for Latino and immigrant rights — and supporters of sane governance — held weekend rallies denouncing the new law and vowing to do everything they can to overturn it. But where was the Tea Party crowd? Isn’t the whole premise of the Tea Party movement that overreaching government poses a grave threat to individual freedom? It seems to me that a law allowing individuals to be detained and interrogated on a whim — and requiring legal residents to carry identification documents, as in a police state — would send the Tea Partyers into apoplexy. Or is there some kind of exception if the people whose freedoms are being taken away happen to have brown skin and might speak Spanish?

onofre—you’re a scream!

It should be interesting this summer.  Kelsey Grammer is launching a new network and it is admittedly right leaning!  The left is going apesh-t already!

http://rightnetwork.com/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100419/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1670

Shorter Obama: Whitey’s comin’!

Agreed, Cindy.

I remember that Rendell missed no opportunity during the 2008 primaries to reveal Obama to the press and the voters and to call him out on the carpet.  He was an extrmely vocal and courageous Hillary supporter.

Then after the primaries, how many here remember that when the PUMA movement exploded, Rendell inv ented a counter to it — he called it “H.O.U.N.D.”  — I always thought this was a deliberate joke on his part.  He is a very savvy pol and there is no way he would have named a group this idiotic name if he really thought it would gain any traction against the PUMAs.  I always thought this was a way of getting his digs in at Obama.

Now, you are right, he is acting politically, trying to stay in favor with this administration.  But I believe he knows he is saying something completely preposterous by spouting that the media has been nice to Tea Partiers — he KNOWS the opposite is true.  Maybe it even encourages more of them to step up in reaction to his remarks??!!  Crazy like a fox.

I’m very sorry to hear that about Rendell, KarenforC.  So hard from watching tv sound bites to know what any of these people are doing for their own states unless you are actually there.  Thanks for filling us in.

Um, gee, what about older voters?  What about other ethnicities?  What about white men?  What about GLBT voters?  And what about a tsunami of women who see through this homophobic, sexist race-baiter?

Should we all stay home?

The word you want is “behove” rather than “behoof.”  I personally don’t want to behoof myself, cloven or otherwise.  I’ve watched my dad put on horseshoes, and though the horses didn’t seem to show pain, it didn’t appear to be a fun way to wear shoes.

This law actually reiterates what is still on the books — enjoy this quote from none other than HUGE Obama supporter, Jack Cafferty of CNN:

Ruminations from, JACK CAFFERTY:

So Arizona passes a tough law against illegal immigration and suddenly they’ve got Washington’s attention. One poll finds 70 percent of Arizona voters support this new law, so hey, maybe we better do something, too. And like the lemmings they are when they smell a chance to score some political points, and some of them need a lot of help with the midterms coming up, there is now talk of rushing immigration reform through Congress.

President Obama called the Arizona law misguided. What’s misguided, Mr. President, is the federal government’s ongoing refusal to enforce the laws that are already on the books. Read the Arizona law. Parts of it are word-for-word the same as the federal statutes which continue to be all but ignored.

Now we’re hear all sorts of blathering from our Washington gerbils about the need for a new federal law. There’ll be news conferences and interviews and committee hearings and draft legislation and polling, all the usual carnival acts that accompany any hot button Washington issue. Instead of simply closing the borders and enforcing the existing law so they could turn their attention to something like the national debt and the fact that the country is bankrupt, instead we’re going to get this freak show.

Washington’s position on illegal immigration is patently dishonest from the top down. No enforcement, no border security. Just pandering to the Hispanic voters and the corporations that hire the illegals. And then, when one of our states that’s being ravaged by the presence of 460,000 illegal aliens inside its borders does something about it, the President says that’s misguided. What a shame.

FF, this law provides the authorities in AZ help in doing their jobs.  It helps to maximize the benefit we get from paying their salaries.  Sounds like good government to me.  Unlike you, I don’t dislike the police or the state patrol.  I’d hate to live in a society without them.  Perhaps you have more reason to fear their being able to do a better job? 

Are you paraphrasing W’s father and suggesting that we’re all in deep doo doo?

Ani—-interesting obeservations…..I wasn’t sure why he did the HOUND thing, but yours is a credible reason. He is a very savvy charmer.
At this point, as I said above, I don’t hate Rendell and Clinton….just extremely disappointed in them and so glad I’ve cleared out my gym locker at Democratic Party High School and am no longer on that team.
I feel a freedom in NOT being a Democrat anymore!
Food tastes better, the air smells fresher, and there’s a slight bounce in my step!

Too bad Cafferty hated Hillary so bad!  I will never forget some of the crap he spewed and I quit watching him and all of CNN and have never returned!

And RRRA, part of the reasoning behind some of the immigration regulartions was to keep things a bit even.  There were percentages used to determine where the immigrants could come from to keep a more evenly balanced ethnic backround.  These illegals coming across the border from Mexico have totally skewed the numbers in their favor.  Now, call me racist if you want, but give the other “races” (or ethnic groups) a chance.

I am with ya Breeze!
I remember clearly moving here the right way by going through all the channels. In fact one trip to INS there was some form of amnesty in the Clinton years and when arriving to show some documentation I had to stumble over all the people sleeping and camping out not to miss the deadline for getting in their application. Not a great way to spend a day waiting hours knowing the people in front of you opted for the easy way in!
What gets me the most is they still want to live their old downtrodden life they shout about wanting to leave behind. HELLO how about thinking of actually doing something positive for themselves? Sponger is what springs to mind! Gimme gimme gimme! We have rights!

ytiik—That is the FUNNIEST explanation about leaving the Dems I’ve ever heard!! I’m cryin’ cause I’m laughin’ so hard!

a good idea for the next tea party rally is for all those who are former or disenchanted democrats, to hold up signs saying so. let the media know this isnt a rightwing or strictly republican movement,but consists of  hundreds of thousands of people from both political parties(or none) who are just disgusted by the current  government and administration.it has NOTHING  to do with race.

Yeah, Cafferty has changed his tune since all his unforgiveable Hillary bashing in 2008.  I guess he figured out his mistake in touting “The One.”  What a maroon! 

Not six months ago, he ruminated about Hillary running in 2012 and said “I hope she does!”

Rev. Amy—me too…very sad!

Diana LOL!!

Sounds kinda like FF is a pseudonym for Ed Rendell.

From what I’ve seen and heard from Christie, I think he is doing a great job and really trying to make a difference and clean up the mess that is NJ.

I give him credit for taking the NJEA head on and not backing down from their Alinsky tactics.

It’s refreshing to listen to him being interviewed b/c he tends to give you a real answer not dazzle you with enough non-answer crap that you forget what the question actually was and then .. surprise.. times up got to move on now.

I hope the people continue to back him as long as he continues to do what he promised and what is right for the people.

The President of the United States, trumped on the issues, is reduced to playing the race card. How unseemly! And how Alinskyesque. The Emperor’s clothes are showing. Jimmy Carter is looking more and more like the best case scenario.

Yes! And wasn’t Obama supposed to be the hope and change candidate? A man who was not like Bush and would have a transparent administration? What happened to the not red state or blue state but the United States?

Someone please tell me how Obama is the great uniter he claimed to be? Why has this agrument never been fully debated? Why are the Democrats so quick to throw hate about Bush.. Bush did this, Bush did that.. Who the F cares at this point! Obama is President now what has he done?

If this is the uniting of the country we are seeing, I think the only they are uniting is our anger at their arrogance.

Another thing.. I often wonder if McCain were to have pulled out a win in November.. how different do you think things would be?

A friend of mine told me they didn’t vote for McCain b/c they would then be electing Bush the 3rd. I almost spit out my drink! I asked them what they were smoking b/c Obama is more like Bush than McCain would have been. They said McCain and Bush were close allies b/c they are Republicans. I suggested they go back and read some stories from the 2000 primary and onward about their relationship and not rely on Huffington Post and Rachel Maddow for talking points.

 Thanks Creeper. You know me, once I get started it’s hard to shut me up. I get so tired of all the b.s. that I get up on my soap box and let my disgust, distrust and anger be known.

Quite honestly I don’t understand anyone that isn’t p.o’d.

We have a corrupt and dysfunctional government.

We have a corrupt and dysfunctional media.

We have an economy that should frighten anyone that hasn’t drank the hopey-changey juice.

And then some nitwitted asshat starts spouting lies, talking points and sound bites as if they were handed down on tablets of stone. Mostly I ignore them because trolls and other vermin aren’t worth bothering with.

But Ed Rendell is a Governor. We should be able to expect more from him. I once did. Now he’s just another lying asshat with delusions of a permanent majority dancing on his bald spot.

I don’t get upset when pols like Rendell say things I don’t agree with. I get upset when they lie. I don’t want friends and/or allies like that. Make me feel like I need a bath.

The Clintons? Obamacrats now and I don’t like Obamacrats so I don’t like them.

Ani:  Smackdown!  Good job!  As John Adams said, “Facts are stubborn things.”

in the past, when i used to be a democrat and a hillary supporter, i wouldnt dream of watching fox news. it was all msnbc and cnn until the day they started saying vile things about hillary clinton and began to whitewash everything about obama and his radical past.  when i switched over to fox news and saw they werent drinking the koolaid and were fairer to hillary than the msm and began questioning  all the obama b/s they won me over. the more i learned from fox news, the more my eyes began to open.  i quickly saw that  michele bachman was in fact a lovely and honest person. not the hateful creature the msm portended her to be. i also saw that glenn beck was not crazy  but passionate about his beliefs. i hated o’rielly and hannity because the msm told me to..until i started seeing they were among the few who were exposing the truth about obama and his chicago political machine. michele malkin was a screeching harridan  until i  actually listened to what she had to say. i didnt take long to realize  that the hated fox news was hated by the left because they were telling the truth that the msm was covering up. the bias of the msm was shocking..to say the least. i always like to hear both sides before making a decision and fox news really opened my eyes to what has become of the democratic party . i will NEVER  go back.

Personally I NEVER think we should stay home. We should vote. If you can’t just hold your nose and vote against him vote for a 3rd party candidate. But vote. Always vote. I sometimes think that pols “like” it when we are discouraged and stay home out of frustration or disgust.

By voting you show that you care about your country. Just because they are useless POS doesn’t mean that we should be.

FF are you Eugene Robinson?

From http://www.pricepda.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=0&Itemid=9

Arizona’s new immigration law is an act of vengeance

By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, April 27, 2010

“Activists for Latino and immigrant rights — and supporters of sane governance — held weekend rallies denouncing the new law and vowing to do everything they can to overturn it. But where was the Tea Party crowd? Isn’t the whole premise of the Tea Party movement that overreaching government poses a grave threat to individual freedom? It seems to me that a law allowing individuals to be detained and interrogated on a whim — and requiring legal residents to carry identification documents, as in a police state — would send the Tea Partyers into apoplexy. Or is there some kind of exception if the people whose freedoms are being taken away happen to have brown skin and might speak Spanish?”

Eugene Robinson again bases an argument about undocumented immigration in Arizona, on straw dogs and emotionalism and calls it journalism.  How about this; in Texas, Latino groups, represented by LULAC, have filed suit against the Texas Democratic Party for violating provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 in the disparate allocation of delegates to senatorial districts, heavily favoring blacks over Latinos?  http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Blogs/News/?oid=oid:622682&nbsp; (Sorry; I could not tell from this article or any others I have read in relation to the D’s unlawful conduct whether these particular Latino Plaintiffs were white, brown, or beige.)

I agree about Governor Rendell. Since he has had a taste of the kool-aid, he has been in a frenzy. We had a tea-party rally in my town this past Saturday, and it was quite peaceful. He should have driven up from Harrisburg to check it out. We are only 50 miles south of Harrisburg, but I guess he did’nt want a reality check. It is easier to complain from the sidelines, than see for themselves what really goes on at these events

As Lou Dobbs said yesterday, this is very confusing. Does Obama mean women voters or AA and Latino women voters?  Clear as mud!

I also used to defend Gov. Rendell, and , worse than that, I volunteered with his campaign, not once, but twice. Fool that I am.

Hey, what happened to the comment on Eugene Robinson to which I was responding?

Karen for Clinton,I was caught up in that budget mess last summer also. I have a small day care center, with a contract to do subsidized day care. The orginization I have a contract with did not get any funds, therefore the ones of us with contracts with these orginizations did not get paid from July until October. I am actually not even a state worker,  I just have a contract with one of the orginizations that get state funds for day care subsidies. I was luckier than a lot of the providers, I had my private pay families, but a lot of the larger centers had to lay off employees because of a large percentage of subsidized parents. Some of them had to close permanently. I wonder if the Governor missed a paycheck?

Just remember it isn’t up to anyone save the group itself to define its legitimacy. Rendell only wishes he was so important that he could have that much understanding and participation in the political system to define. We have a “two-way: system of politics. We first have those who are elected and call themselves politicians, not to be confused with the other group in this first category, the pundits; their way is the only way. The problem is they are all just a bunch of vote sluts, walking the street, the airways, add on’s to televison shows, you name it anywhere they can stick their face or voice. If they have that much time to peddle their wares, when are they working? They can’t stay within thir defined, asssigned, paid for duties, they sure in the hell are not any type of authority on a group made up of regular citizens. 

Then you have the second group, the actual people involved in specific groups, who are people who work and go to school, and live their lives with a concern strong enough to move, and to act, against political works that are not functionable for the majority. These would be the legitimate owners and definers of their movement. Grantted, the group may not appeal to all, but they are not harming anyone. When harm comes in, done to deliberatley screw with the voter’s head, I am not longer interested. So far, I have not seen this with the Tea Party; which I use my own senses and thinking skills to figure out my opinion.

Anyone else with as much interest to tear down, lie, threaten or attempt to intimidate is an example of what a coward and blind follower looks like.

SINCE SOMEONE ERASED THE ORIGINAL COMMENT TO WHICH MY COMMENT RESPONDS, PLEASE, ALLOW ME TO PARAPHRASE MR. ROBINSON’S COMPLAINT.

“…
Activists for Latino and immigrant rights — and supporters of sane governance — held weekend rallies denouncing the new law and vowing to do everything they can to overturn it. But where was the Tea Party crowd? Isn’t the whole premise of the Tea Party movement that overreaching government poses a grave threat to individual freedom? It seems to me that a law allowing individuals to be detained and interrogated on a whim — and requiring legal residents to carry identification documents, as in a police state — would send the Tea Partyers into apoplexy. Or is there some kind of exception if the people whose freedoms are being taken away happen to have brown skin and might speak Spanish? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/26/AR2010042602595.html?nav=emailpage“

SINCE SOMEONE ERASED THE ORIGINAL COMMENT TO WHICH MY COMMENT RESPONDS, PLEASE, ALLOW ME TO PARAPHRASE MR. ROBINSON’S COMPLAINT.  
 
“…  
Activists for Latino and immigrant rights — and supporters of sane governance — held weekend rallies denouncing the new law and vowing to do everything they can to overturn it. But where was the Tea Party crowd? Isn’t the whole premise of the Tea Party movement that overreaching government poses a grave threat to individual freedom? It seems to me that a law allowing individuals to be detained and interrogated on a whim — and requiring legal residents to carry identification documents, as in a police state — would send the Tea Partyers into apoplexy. Or is there some kind of exception if the people whose freedoms are being taken away happen to have brown skin and might speak Spanish?”… http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/26/AR2010042602595.html?nav=emailpage

Kenoshamarge –

I was not advocating staying home — hope I didn’t give that impression.  We shall ALL always vote.

I was only implying that is the Prez’s attitude — if we do not agree with him.

On last Thursdays TV show “CSI” (the original), the plotline was about a Neo-Nazi teenager (how old is that plotline?), like a skinhead of old.  He was murdered by being stabbed with a large Phillips head screwdriver.  Just before the commercial break, the Coroner made a comment something like, “A racist stabbed to death.  Kind of a poetic justice, isn’t it?”

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/video/

I was totally stunned.  I reversed the DVR to make sure I heard correctly, and I still couldn’t believe a national show with this kind of popularity would actually plant the idea that it’s some kind of justice to stab racists to death.  Even if there was some kind of Divine Vendetta making it OK to stab true evil racists to death (who would they be?), the way the label “racist” is tossed around today, it appears about 50% of the population or more qualifies for a screwdriver through the liver, according to CSI.

The comment was made to the new “star” of the show, portrayed by black actor Laurence Fishburne, who fortunately emphasized that he treated all murders equally.  I guess that somehow absolves the show, (snark) but I will be watching for screwdrivers coming my way, since I don’t support The Big O, and therefore must be a racist, according to modern liberal definitions.

For all you AZ immigration law supporters… what this:

http://miauk.com/

http://ephphatha-poetry.blogspot.com/2010/04/imagine-if-tea-party-was-black-tim-wise.html?spref=fb

“Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans?”

I couldn’t have put it better.

B did not remove the post… you did. NQ did. back to your censorship…

I looked up behoof actually and it is rare granted, (maybe a M.E. varient of behoove ??), but reads more along the lines of “benefit” or “advantage” to the subject in contast to “be necessary and proper for (the moral edification of) – behoove. ??

Guess you are like some of my brainless middle school students and don’t know the difference between FICTION and reality.

If NQ does remove the posts of trolls, I applaud them!  Where else on the Internet do troublemakers get free rein?  Try posting troll BS at HuffPo or DailyKooze and see if it even gets posted!  Not likely!

Wow!  There are 3,093 comments on that diary now.  I scrolled through the first few pages.  NOT ONE defending the Asshat-in-Chief.

Is Politico a conservative website?

Jackie, that was pretty juvenile “literature” if you ask me.  Good literature doesn’t deal in either/or or black/white scenarios.  There is such a thing as nuance and grey.  Even some of the people who posted comments made that point.

Please go back and find all the information about how that spitting and name calling that was supposed to be so horrible really didn’t happen the way it was first reported.  Please go back and see the recent post about the hate from Eurgene, OR.  Heck, please go up thread to see the video of AAs attending the Tea Party and speaking eloquently about why they are there.  Please quit trying to think because we’ll have to put up our video in regard to you, the one that has Bones claiming your brain is missing.

“vote sluts” 

hehehehehehe

lol… before you call someone out on their word usage, perhaps you should look the word up in the dictionary.  just like anything you hear on fox should be investigted and not just taken as “truth”.

Here’s why this entire formulation is absurd. 

The Tea Party emerged as a movement that is concerned that the Government has broken free of it’s Constitutional restraints, and that it has gone crazy with power over all aspects of our lives so that it is the antithesis of what it was meant to be. The Tea Party exists to expose activities that the Government is NOT supposed to be doing.

The AZ law is a response to the Federal government’s refusal to do one of the more important jobs that it is Constitutionally MANDATED to do. If anything, to be consistent, the Tea Party should be advocating the AZ law.

And besides, Eugene Robinson is an arrogant and condescending PIG! Who cares WHAT he has to say.

Is Jack right when he said this, too?

Despite the fact that two-thirds of Americans support tougher regulation of banks and Wall Street… Republicans have already voted unanimously to block financial reform from reaching the senate floor – and they might do it again minutes from now when another test vote happens.

A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows 65 percent of those surveyed want stricter financial reform. 31 percent are opposed.
The poll also shows majorities back two key parts of the senate bill… including greater government oversight of consumer loans… and a fund – paid for by the banks – that would help dismantle failing institutions. According to this poll, the public is split on letting the government regulate complex financial instruments knows as derivative.

That is absolutely WRONG.  Only B removed B’s posts.  Stop with the blatant lying.  We do not engage in censorship here.

Thank you, pro patria – I appreciate your thoughtful comment, and the compliment.

I try not to respond to them, either, unless it is a blatant misrepresentation of something I have said (usually in the past, so others cannot check it easily), or like the comment below, claming we engage in censorship.  Nothing could be farther from the truth.  If that was the case, there would NEVER be some of the more offensive comments Obots put here.  Considering the leeway Larry allows people on this site, I most definitely take umbrage at such a charge.

It’s an easy question: Are teabaggers for individual freedoms or not? Yes or no? If you are, then you should be against the AZ law. If you’re not, then you shouldn’t care if the government intrudes on them, i.e. healthcare.

“Guess you are like some of my brainless middle school students and don’t know the difference between FICTION and reality.”

What care and regard you have for your students!  Sounds like a real blast in the classroom with you!  LOL!

Great comment, Ani.  I have to hope that Rendell doing this intentionally in a “crazy like a fox” way. 

Cindy – I love the “food tastes better…” comment.  You had me cracking up!!

bamaLV—I had the same experience as you….and many others here. It’s been a crazy ride, hasn’t it?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36427.html

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is speaking out against the new hard-line immigration law in Arizona, becoming the first prominent national Republican to do so.

“I think it creates unintended consequences,” he said in a telephone interview with POLITICO Tuesday. “It’s difficult for me to imagine how you’re going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well.”

The measure, signed into law last Friday, would require police to check the immigration status of any individuals they reasonably suspect are illegal immigrants and arrest them if they can’t prove legal status.

Bush said he understood the anger that prompted the bill, but that immigration should remain a federal issue.

“I don’t think this is the proper approach,” he said.

Weird.  First Grijalva and Obama, then Rubio, Joe Scarborough, and now Jeb Bush?  It’s almost like people from all sides of the political spectrum see this Arizonan law for what it is: un-American.

Oh and by the way, for all the folks who think Obama will be a one term president, this law just gave him Arizona. McCain won 1,230,111 to 1,034,707. That’s less than a 200,000 vote difference. Think Obama will pick up that 200,000?

Try the electoral vote counter for 2012 and see if you can calculate a Republican presidential win without Arizona:
 http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/ev/

Their parents always showered me with gifts, mostly gift cards for Starbucks, because I DID expect them to develop some brains.  

I’m going with the American people on this one.  I believe the polls may still show that the people who really have to live with this problem want it, if for no other reason to force the feds to do something about something that is INDEED a problem.  All the people you mention, I am assuming, do not really have to deal with it in their personal lives.  They get to be away from it and expound on it from their exalted positions of “superiority.”  As do you and FF.

It’s always been about race with Obama hasn’t it? Ever since the “historical” campaign and his “did they mention he was black” comment. I think you are wrong about Mexican Americans. I don’t mean the illegal immigrants, they aren’t really Americans until they are legal. I mean the legal Mexican Americans. They are going to be a lot less sympathetic to illegals than some would believe. But, why does every damn thing have to do with Obama now? What does he have to do with illegal immigrants in Arizona to begin with?

Russell Pearce has another bill pending in the state legislature that will require AZ school districts to report the citizenship status of their students.  It’s SB1097…

Then, you’ll have kids snitching on other kids which will lead to mini-race wars on school campuses. AZ is gonna be fun, fun, fun… 

Judging from the content of your posts, Diana, I’d dare say you were both an outstanding teacher and also one who could make the difficult subjects seem easy to your students. I would also surmise that these silly trolls that squat here at NQ are unteachable in any meaningful way. Pity.

Agree Doc however they need to drop the Mexican part when the are legal.
I cannot understand those added extras!

Agree Doc, however they need to drop the Mexican part once they become legal. Never understood the added extras so many carry along with them.

So true, ~~JustMe~~. If I applied such gobbledegook to my heritage, I’d be a Welsh-Greek American.

Nope, I’m just American.

What bush did was because he loved the USA?    ……..that  we might miss bush is kind of like wishing we had an ex boyfriend, because he was less abusive than the new one…………  Both bad !   we need to get a new one!

Very narrow minded not to accept alternative viewpoints. I suppose par for the course for you people.

Thats how both my sets of grandparents had to get in the country.

As far as I know from my experience in teaching, the kids won’t be involved.  The school administration, at least here in CO, gathers this information when parents register their children.   It’s especially important for testing for the ESL programs, then assigning levels of English competency, etc., so they can figure out schedules for these children, how much time in ESL classrooms as opposed to how  much time in the “regular” classrooms.  This is from a secondary school perspective.  I knew sometimes about the immigrant status of some of my high school students if I had to work closely with the ESL coordinator.

How awful it must be you to suspect everyone of nasty motives.  Perhaps it’s just that the separate districts have not had to report it to the state before, or something.  Please rather than trying to stir up horrible race war scenarios, provide us with the details of SB1097 and its background information. 

“You people”?  I just said – TWICE – that we do NOT remove them.  I’m saying it AGAIN because Larry allows all kinds of viewpoints at his site.  Stop attempting to malign him, NQ, and the writers with smears.  I believe that is referred to as “libel.”

And let me add–no offense meant, Doc.

Eaxctly Ferd!

Well RRRA, there’s always the old flags-away approach. Arguing with 12-year olds who are on their Mommy’s computers all by themselves for the first time is an exercise in frustration.

Amy that is a straight out lie. NQ for years has censored posts. You use to do it a lot more, then seemed to stop for a while, but I notice that more recently you are censoring again. I have had posts disappear for no apparent reason. Once I even critized Larry and he then post back to me agreeing with me that he was too harsh then he deleted his own post agreeing with me after I guess he had second thots about look weak or something. You guys manipulate the post all the time. Typical for a right-wing website. The lefty website almost never censor, but all the right-wing sites do. I wonder why?

As for your teabaggers. There is a very large element of them that are entirely racist. This movement is just the age old far right-wing movement, nothing new. Their ideas are all about hating and limiting govt. You cannot get more far rightwing than that. 95% vote for Rebublicans and 5% democrats. Just a bunch of sore losers who are backed by corporate money. They base their name on a tax protest, but most of them don’t even know that 95% of American have gotten a tax cut under Obama. They protest deficits, when most of the current deficit and future deficit was because of the actions of Bush. Where were the protests when Bush was running up the debt? What is the big deal with taxes anyway? Polls show  that most Americans are happy with the level taxes they pay and America by far pays the less taxes of any other industrial country. It has always been ironic that these teabaggers want to cut taxes while at the same time cutting the deficit. How do you do that? If you cut taxes then the deficit will grow, otherwise you have to cut spending. Ok lets cut spending. Where? Three biggest areas of spending are social security, medicare and defense spending. However, if you ask your average Teabagger they will likely say we cannot cut spending for social security, medicare and defense…. I could go on. This so-call movement is a shame that is being manipulated by corporate money, FOX news and the far right. Rendell makes a good point. On tax day the teaparty only had 1,000 people in Washington to protest. Some movement. There have been bigger protest in many cities across the U.S. in recent weeks pushing for immigration reform and protesting the cuts to school budgets (ie. no cut in govt spending). Did you know that? Of course you did not because the media was too busy reporting these stupid small teabagger protests.

“And think about it—week before the health care vote, they had a rally in Washington, got 1,000 people, maybe not even that.  The tax day rally, the big rally to protest federal taxes got less than 1,500 people showing up, according to their own organizer.  Other people thought it was in the 400 or 500 range.

Gosh, if I had a rally in Washington to have stronger laws to protect puppies, we‘d have 100,000 people without blinking.  And yet, the media, including the so-called liberal and progressive media, have given the tea party-ites elevation in terms of the impact they‘re having on the national debate and discussion—way above what they deserve.’    Gov. Rendell

Here you go:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1097p.pdf

snitch away…

Oh and by the way, the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects the rights of all children, regardless of their immigration status in the U.S., to K-12 education. So SB1097 is unconstitutional as well.

Here’s my favorite Cafferty clip.  Boy, it’s a beaut!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

You’re a liar balls.

1) Unless you are “b”, you wouldn’t know if they removed their own post or not.
2) There is a “flag” link that can be used by commenters to flag inappropriate comments. SInce inappropriate is not defined, that is left to the individual applying it.
3) If RRRA says NQ doesn’t do, NQ doesn’t do it.

By the way, stupid, I just flagged your comment. Take it up with me later. I’ll clean your clock.

“If I may, I’d like to paraphrase the First Muslim, I mean First Lady”

Your ignorance is showing…

“Their parents always showered me with gifts, mostly gift cards for Starbucks, because I DID expect them to develop some brains.”

Did you tell the parents their children were “brainless” before or after you took the loot?

You’re a dolt and troll and here’s your flag, tiny.

Well education was not the top of Jackie’s list as we can see. If you put Diana and Jackie together there would be no contest. Diana wins hands down!

“I’m going with the American people on this one.  I believe the polls may still show that the people who really have to live with this problem want it, if for no other reason to force the feds to do something about something that is INDEED a problem.”

30% of Arizonans are Hispanic.  They’ve just been told that if they go outside without their wallet, they can go to jail.  Yeah, they’re sure going to “have to live with this problem”.

“All the people you mention, I am assuming, do not really have to deal with it in their personal lives.”

Marco Rubio is a second-generation Cuban-American, and Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican-American woman.  They understand very well how this kind of “driving while brown” penalty could very much “have to deal with it in their personal lives”.

“What does he have to do with illegal immigrants in Arizona to begin with?”

He’s the chief executive of the federal government, which is charged with enforcing immigration law.

I hope the GOP hammers away on this issue as hard as they can.  They are consigning themselves to electoral oblivion for generations to come.

He’s the chief executive of the federal government, which is charged with enforcing immigration law.
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If he were actually *doing* his job in lieu of beating his own gums into total submission, AZ might have some other options. He isn’t doing his job, has no intention of doing his job, and you’re being terminally obtuse.

Here’s another flag, jackie for being a paid obamabot here to only stir up trouble. 

“You’re a liar balls.”

Not true.  Balls is absolutely correct.

Over the last two years, I had comments deleted and I was banned literally dozens of times.  This was for non-abusive, non-cursing, only “opposing view” types of posts.  My I.P. address has clearly been banned on multiple occasions as well.

Only over the last couple of months has this very rigorous censorship policy been relaxed.  I appreciate the change sincerely, but that doesn’t mean it was always this way.

That should be “vote whores”. “Slut” implies that you’re easy and give it away for free…and if we know anything it’s that congress critters do not give their vote away for free!

BO is at most a one-term President.  Any day now, either Texas or SC will insist on documentation that was the basis for Certification to get on the ballots in those states in 2008.  Recall that in SC, (former) state Treasurer Kathy Hensley Certified BO for the ballot.  She was standing in the office of the Board of Elections, having hand-delivered the typed list of D candidates prepared by state Chair Carol Fowler – you know, she’s married to Don Fowler, former Chair of the DNC – so their names could be printed on the ballots in the Presidential preference primary.  But, for some reason, Ms. Fowler had omitted SC’s statutory language of eligibility.  Consequently, the head of the Board of Elections refused to accept the list of D Presidential candidates.  So, Ms. Hensley whipped out her trust pen and scribbled down the mandatory language:  ‘Every candidate on this list is eligible for the office sought or will be at the time of the election.’  Beats me how Ms. Hensley ascertained such eligibility on the spot, much less why she was willing to swear to such eligibility, when Ms. Fowler was not.  But I can assure you, neither TX nor SC will let this candidate on their ballot again; without proof he belonged on the ballot in 2008.  http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/

Arizona ought to just start bus shuttles from Arizona to Chicago. You just have to prove you are illegal and then the trip is free. Don’t deport them, export them… straight to Chicago. Let’s empty Mexicoi into Chicago for a while and then we will see how loud they protest the law up there.

Arizona ought to just start bus shuttles from Arizona to Chicago. You just have to prove you are illegal and then the trip is free. Don’t deport them, export them… straight to Chicago. Let’s empty Mexico into Chicago for a while and then we will see how loud they protest the law up there. But you guys are wrong about legal Mexican Americans being all for the illegals. You are actually way off.

The constitution is so 18th century. We don’t need it anymore, in fact our lawmakers in Washington use it for toilet paper now.

“Here’s another flag, jackie for being a paid obamabot here to only stir up trouble.”


Your insecurity is showing again.

ditto.  jackie.  same here.  I know they do ip level blocking from time to time because of comments posted by someone else on my network.

there is “rare” discussion here.  either agree 100% or leave.  fred rather enjoys that… he thinks he’s making other people look stupid but he just makes himself look silly. 

if it sounds the least little bit like your argument has any merit, you are accused of being paid to post talking points.  when really most of what’s here is crazy right wing “talking points”.

Yup, OStolemyHC!

Her’s another, Jerkie. Do leep it up.

Jackie, most of these parents were frustrated at the lack of skills, the lack of discipline, the disrespect for learning that their own kids showed.  I had one parent beg me to flunk her daughter because she never had to do anything a passed by sucking up to previous teachers.   Get off the topic; it appers you were and still are a bit brainless.

The only ways anyone ever gets put in time out or banned is if they engage in homophobic, sexist, or racist attacks, or if they direct ad hominems toward the writers.  That’s it.  So stop spreading falsehoods already.

And Ferd, I am stating this just for the record.  It is pretty hard to get banned, and it generally has to be a repeat offender in one of those categories. 

If “guest” was banned, s/he would STILL be banned, and same for Jackie.  Unless they found some sneaky way around it.  Just saying.

No, they’re being told that if they come under suspician for something and the police make contact with them for it, they need to be held until they can get their wallets.  Then, if they’re legal, they get the same rights as all citizens.  We all know about Jeb Bush’s kids.  I pointed that out before when saying that I didn’t think the Repubs were passing this bill because they were afraid to have Latinos get too many votes.  With a name like Rubio, it was obvious what his ethnic background is.  What do you not understand about acting politically?  So my answer is this:  In this country whose voices are supposed to be heard and followed?  The PEOPLE.  The majority of the LEGAL citizens want this control over people who come ILLEGALLY into our country.

If we did not respond to them at all, the problem would be solved.

Docelder, many people in Chicago are asking for the National Guard to come and protect them from the fact that there has been such a rash of murders/killing/mahem in that fair city that trained up our POTUS.  Gee, it’s o.k. for them to ask for the National Guard, but don’t help the police and state patrol do their jobs.  And before Jackie of Little Brain Power shousts racism, it’s many of the AAs asking because they have to live with the racist killings perpetrated against them mostly by other AAs.

FF, I read the document.  It simply requires reporting such information so the state can do a study on the impact on education and on the state in general of the requirement to educate NON citizens.  It also allows for penalizing districts that don’t comply with supplying the information. 

I see nothing about taking away their right to an education.  I for one, would think you would want to have all this information available.  As a good obot, I am sure you complied with the Census–though perhaps you were disappointed that you lost the opportunity to earn some money when they took the census jobs away from ACORN.

As far as I know, it’s been a pretty common practice to try to keep track of migrant worker’s children as much as we could in Colorado because it’s darned hard figuring out what education they have had  when they come into our district after having been in other districts.  We’ve been trying to provide education for migrant workers since I was a young girl.

What is so frightening about gathering information?  As a tax-paying citizen in a district that has lots of non-citizen children using up some of the tax dollars I send for that purpose, I’d like to know this stuff.  I have a right to know how my tax dollars are being spent.  But since I’m not illegally in this country, I guess I have fewer rights than you want to give to people who are here illegally.

Maybe Rendell is crazy like a fox, maybe not, but some folks never read between the lines……

“You’re a dolt and troll and here’s your flag, tiny.”

Back at you, Ferd!

I don’t miss Bush or Busher or Bushiest;

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Thanks!

What is happening in Chicago is shocking. As though some of them have not been through enough, like those on the South Side who were let down badly by the one person who should of been looking after them. Barack Obama.

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jackie & guest

I hear that the Dims are supporting 3rd party candidates in order to split the vote. That is the only way they can win

What you said, Marge.  And you said very well indeed! 

Hit and run is the only thing the obamarrhoids have left….ignoring them is the best way to deal with them, as RRRA pointed out.

“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

Oowawa,
Same here.  Thanks for the post RRRAmy – always enjoy your posts.  And I really enjoy reading the comments from regulars here – at my home away from home.  It seems increasingly to me that I feel more confortable with my virtual friends here than with my former Democratic allies and friends – many of whom I no longer see.  And as Ferd said in a past post, my family relations are strained – very, very strained.

I remember jbjd; Lord I remember all the horrific, unlawful, and vile behavior from these pols that crushed our hopes.  Thank you for your continued efforts on all of our behalf.

There will be multiple constitutional tests which makes me doubt the law will ever be implemented as is.

Maybe we should revisit the policy that allowed workers to come in during harvest times and then go back home? Seems that would help everyone. Many people from Mexico love their home and would like to stay there but they have to fed their kids and can’t find the work in Mexico. And we’ll all be waiting in the meantime for local “citizens” to do the hard work which can pay $10 to $15 an hour.

Well, Guest–in my Webster’s Collegiate they didn’t even list “behoof.”  However, I then turned to my unabridged dictionary.  It does list it, and you are right in that it is a Middle English NOUN.  In your sentence you use it as a VERB.  So you are the one who should learn how to read the dictionary for usage.  And, normally we don’t slip Middle English words into our writing nowadays, even if we use them in the correct syntactic spot in our sentences.

So ROTFLMAO right back at you, idiot.

Oh, yes. I’m just getting over international travel and was rather sick this afternoon but should have looked more closely. I have no idea who you are, by the way, but are you always this nasty ROTFLMAO while calling people out for being idiots ? Look at it as a learning experience.

They were already doing this in my state.  This is not a big deal nor will students be ratting on other students.  The parents had to show up with the proper documentation to register their child in school.

Ff, you are trying to fear monger.  Get lost.

I tried to make a joke about a word that I thought you mispelled, and you told me–a person who can read Old English and Middle English to learn how to use a dictionary.  I was trying to make a silly comment about how to use “behoof” as a verb.  You did the LOL thing first.  We can both take it as a learning experience.  Don’t joke with a guest; that’s the lesson I learned.

What I find interesting is that those of us that lived through the Civil Rights era, experienced real racism (lynching,  a cross burning ,beatings, denial of service, arrests etc.) are being lectured by those that keep telling us  we don’t know anything. 

Read “At the Hands of Persons Unknown by Philip Dray”. It’s an eye opener. None of these things were totally confined to the South. However Southern Democrats were all for segregation and looking the other way when horrible crimes were committed against people of all colors. I learned things, some that I wish I never  knew, about the real history of racism in America. Yes, even in The Land of Lincoln.

No one in the Tea Party is advocating any of these things. Not only that some blogs have revealed a plan to make Tea Partiers look  pro-Nazi, and pro-KKK.

Gov Rendell held people hostage in his own state for budget fight reasons. I wonder how many minority businesses or employees suffered. Hey! He might be a racist!.

NO

Yeah, me too. I don’t want to seem the rude and arrogant blogger talking down to other guests. lol

“Deny, deny, deny.  No matter what she knows or thinks she knows, deny it.”  –A Guide for the Married Man

Too late for me.  I won’t ever listen to Cafferty again or read what he’s said.  It’s because of media mouths like him That One is sitting where Hillary should be.  Blech. 

Guess what!  We still have that program.  It’s called the Guest Worker program.  It’s a good program, and the farmers and orchards, etc. that do it right and provide clean, sanitary living conditions need to be encouraged.  I’ve commented about his before, and the work is often paid at only $8.00 and hour and, you’re absolutely right about most Americans being unwilling to do this type of work.

This illegal immigrant problem is not about Guest Workers who do it right. 

Agree on all your points about Papa Doc.  The mute button on the remote is almost worn out.  However, I recently gave up on Hillary and have liked Sarah from the start.

Agree on all your points about Baby Doc.  The mute button on the remote is almost worn out.  However, I recently gave up on Hillary and have liked Sarah from the start.

Love the faux hillbilly accents and the stumblebum phrases.  They sounded like 2nd graders yelling “You’re not the boss of me, you, you, you, dodo head or whatever.”  Hahaha.  Come on over boys, as of next week, I’m locked and loaded.

Karen, no one loved the Clintons more than I did…from ’92 on.  I wrote and had letters pubished in the SF Chron, Marin IJ, and talked to anyone who’d listen about what great things they’d do for the country.  I stood by Bill when he floundered over the women…admired Hillary for going through it and (apparently) coming out on the other side.  But after the primary, I lost a lot of respect for them and when they got on the Obamacrat bandwagon, I just felt such immense disappointment that the old magic faded away.  When Bill came out with his dangerous groups crap on the OK City anniversary, I was over them for good.  It’s been a long process but even when I changed my registration to Independent after 5/31, they still had me on their court.  No more.  I’m done.

JustMe—lol!!!!!

How right your are, Cindy…nothing personal, just bizness.

We’re all in the same club…only some are coming to the party a bit later than others.  There is no Democratic Party.  It’s gone, kaput.  What’s there now is…well, sometimes I don’t know because it isn’t anything recognizable from the FDR, JFK party I once thought I knew.

I believe the reason they haven’t been successful is that they were not part of the same process that we were subjected to.  We were blogging through the prinaries and before, expressing our hopes and dreams for a Democratic Party win…we all went through the same disillisionment and grief over the theft of our old party and we came out very alike in our assessment.  We cidn’t come to our positions over night but through thoughtful and heartbreaking decisions.  If you were active in the Democraatic Party for a long time, there was a lot of identity that went along with it.  That was all ripped away on 5/31 and dealt a death blow at the convention.  I’ll never forget this last election…and I, too, feel free to discover newer horizons.  Country Before Party certainly carried the day for me.

I believe the reason they haven’t been successful is that they were not part of the same process that we were subjected to.  We were blogging through the primaries and before, expressing our hopes and dreams for a Democratic Party win…we all went through the same disillisionment and grief over the theft of our old party and we came out very alike in our assessment.  We didn’t come to our positions overnight but through thoughtful and heartbreaking decisions.  If you were active in the Democraatic Party for a long time, there was a lot of identity that went along with it.  That was all ripped away on 5/31 and dealt a death blow at the convention.  I’ll never forget this last election…and I, too, feel free to discover newer horizons.  Country Before Party certainly carried the day for me.

Yes, it took an Obama to make Bush look good.  Never in a million years did I ever think I would ever see anything about W in a positive light but in compairson he looks like Patrick Henry.

Hmmm, am I the only poster who misses the spell check we used to have here?

It’s nice that he wants to appeal to all Americans.  First President in memory who only wants votes from specific minorities.

“Never cop to it, even if she has pictures.”  Lenny Bruce

There’s a very good chance we will never hear the trite phrase “my fellow Americans” again!
This country is imploding financially, morally and politically!

I was referring to the rate farm employers advertise for native labor.

Certainly near where I live in Southwest Michigan not all farmers who hire seasonal labor are always in compliance with all the regulations.
Because if there are agricultural visas that are available but go unnfilled, I suppose it must mean the workers are either improperly hired or not being paid the wages they should.

But the competition for farm labor across states and with other industries like construction and service is important for recruitment so it does seem to help keep living conditions up to some extent. So we like to believe the vast majority of mostly apple and blueberry growers treat their employees with respect, because they want good workers to return. And Michigan is in the top 5 of agricultural states — On the other hand, with an unemployment rate at 14% and a projected state budget deficit of $1.7 billion, I don’t know of any scientifically sound data to back up the claim.

I also had admiration for Rendell when he announced his continued support of Hillary.  BUT…it didn’t take him long to “throw her under the bus”, and transform into an Obamacrat.  Since then, I never believe anything he says.  “Fool me once..same on you…fool me twice…shame on me”.

lot’s of comments from yesterday are missing.  that’s odd for a site that doesn’t censor.

Surfered there is very little point in trying to understand the teaparty crowd are they are mostly just a bunch of hypocrites. They make no sense whatsoever. Not even clear what they are complaining about.

Taxes: 95% of Americans got a tax cut from Obama and how much lower do they want taxes to do? to zero? anarchy.

Deficit: where were the protests under Bush. most of the current deficit is from the decisions bush made and the bush recession. If teapartiers want to cut taxes then what will they cut in terms of spending to keep the deficit from going even higher? Medicare, social security, defense spending? They have no meaningful answers.

The only ways anyone ever gets put in time out or banned is if they engage in homophobic, sexist, or racist attacks

that sentence should end with “unless you are a regular poster here, then feel free to be as hateful, homophobic, sexist and racists as you want to be.”

When did the Governors of states decide that they only need represent those that agree with their idealogy? Those Tea Party citizens are voters in his state. His dissing and dismissing them is being a partisan, not a Governor. Shame on him!

How about Senators for that matter? My Senator, Russ Feingold, made a snotty remark when someone confronted him about his support for the Heath Care Atrocity about him being in a “conservative” area of the state. I thought he was supposed to represent the “entire” state not just the liberal enclaves. I’ve voted “for” Feingold every time he ran. I will now vote “against” him until we get his partisan ass out of office. I want people that represent our state and ALL the people in it.

They want to say the Tea Party has no clout and no leader.
Well maybe the Tea Party thinks we have one leader too many!
If the democrats like Rendell thought we were grateful for the one they appointed, the majority of voters are sending a different message!

I didn’t think you were advocating stay home Ani. I have more respect for you than that! I was just answering your question. For me and my point of view.

I know too many people who might be able to make a difference but are so disgusted and discouraged that they don’t vote. I nag the hell out of them and explain that voting is your “ticket to bitch”. If you don’t vote, IMO, then you lose the right to bitch, long, loud and often. It’s a ticket I use frequently. I earned it by voting in every presidential election and most state and local elections for as long as I’ve been old enough to vote. I don’t consider voting a “right” or a “privilege”, I consider it a duty.

Oops, one of my damn issues is showing again. Sorry.

As I said, I was trying to be funny.  You originally seemed to be making some kind of snarky statement about Hillary supporters, though I didn’t address that.  And you keep your comment history secret.  So who knows if you are the same person as the “guest” whose comment followed yours.  International travel is not an excuse to use the term “behoof.”  It’s so out of the ordinary a term to use at all nowadays.  You were trying to sound superior as far as I could tell, and I was trying to make a joke without answering your snark against Hillary supporters.

Earlier comments that along the lines of the Tea Party not having the answers to America’s long-term fiscal outlook and Obama being a second Bush were not responded to directly. I simply made the comment  they perhaps deserve a more critical analysis and that being a Hillary supporter (nothing against that, I was/am one myself) was more or less irrelevant to the point.

No snark, snideness or crime (giant misspelling aside) attempted. -).

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W has been critized for the spending right along side Baby Doc.

In our county, we have a number of schools which have been given a failing grade, operating way below state standards…all have a majority of Mexican kids with non-English speaking parents.  When LaRaza comes around to celebrate Cinco De Mayo next week, they will address the class only in Spanish, tell them that CA and the SouthWest were taken from them; it is their country and it is their right to reclaim it by any means possible from the Gringos.  That’s why they are in a district where the school is due to be closed for non-compliance of standards.

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