arizona immigration law: what’s more inconvenient, showing i.d. or being kidnapped?

AGI, you are absolutely right on all counts!  Federal Immigration laws that exist now are not being enforced.  I don’t understand why citizens do not demonstrate against this enaction.  Local govt’s in California advocating a boycott of Arizona should be taken to task instead of supported.  It is time for the majority of the Americans to have their voices heard at the ballot boxes.  People who support violation of the country’s laws are contributing to the eventual decline of the U.S.  Or perhaps, this is really what they want to see.

Another scary day when I find myself agreeing with asshat misogynist Jack Cafferty. Did Mrs. Cafferty, if there is one, smack the old fart upside the head and align enough brain cells so that he makes sense?

I used to love the way Cafferty would skewer the Bush Administration. Then he drank the hopey-changy juice and became just another Obama press agent. Now he seems to be back to cantankerous and skewering.

Keep it up Jack, it’s a much better fit. Slobbering love affairs are so embarrassing in a man your age. (Which is probably younger than me.)

MSNBC does racial profiling all day everyday, didn’t you know”

“Obama the first black president, ………………”

Sick of it.

RNC has called Kaine and Obama out on the continuous race-baiting.

Let’s see if someone can shut them the fuck up.

>:o

And isn’t it funny how they always say…Americans wouldn’t do those jobs…while they are the same people who snicker and point at homeless Americans out holding signs that they will do any job for food! And of course, these poorest of Americas poor don’t even count as unemployed…because they can’t draw unemployment! There are 100,000 homeless at one point or another each year in NY city alone. Tell me these people wouldn’t happily do those jobs for a roof over their heads, food for them and their kids…and a chance to get on their feet! I just love how they screw over the people they always claim to represent…in favor of the illegals who can’t vote for them anyway! Talk about STUPID!

AGiI,

First to answer your question, I will gladly show my ID rather than be held for ransom—as we are being held for ransom by the dipsticks who spout racism because they have a little education and believe that AZ is turning into a Nazi state.  They’re 60′s anti-Vietnam, Civil Rights activisists wannabees raised up in the Ayers’ educational philosophy.

My favorite paragraph of your post:

“Opponents to the bill are charging supporters of the bill with racism. To me, it seems like the people who are in support of allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the country and work for slave wages, in horrid conditions that none of them would accept, are perhaps the racists. After all, they need *someone* to pick their fruit, change their beds, wash their dishes, and build their homes…and they certainly aren’t going to do it. Especially at those wages!! Let the Mexicans do it!”

Exactly right—all self-serving, self-righteous hypocrites.  They all are like the person, who deserves to be as nameless as all the Hispanic/Latino (don’t know which is pc now) people who are being caught up in this mess, legal or illegal, that Mika made fun of the other day on Morning Joe with her statement that supporting O makes her feel good, like she’s trying, etc.

As far as the work that illegals do—Yes, there are indeed some jobs that Americans just will not do.  For one thing, the 70 hours of work a week on ladders in the orchard, etc.  Many Americans are just too out of shape to do them and don’t have the driving need to earn the small hourly wage that is equivalent to a weekly wage in Mexico.  And orchard owners who hire following the law and provide clean, sanitary living conditions should be encouraged. 

And….Yes, there are jobs, at least here where I live, that the now unemployed high school and college kids could do to earn school money, etc. can’t get–for instance in the hotel industry.  And in the landscaping and construction industry, if they try to get work they are black balled by the immigrants who make their lives miserable.  Many of the immigrants who do these jobs rudely make comments in Spanish about the Caucasions they are working for and make any white kid who tries the work feel totally ostracized.  To them, this is work for their cousins, uncles, friends back in Mexico.  (I have a friend in NM who basically has to restrain her sister, who speaks Spanish fluently, every time they go shopping because the sister over hears nasty comments about gringos because the people don’t think she understands.) The people who hire these workers not following the laws need to be caught by the authorities and be taken to court.

But, as one of our commenters here (Tex-Mex–is that the ID?) points out, there are immigrants who come here and have great paying union jobs (Think SEIU) and have tax IDs.  You want to know what is the cause of a lot of the ID theft in this part of the country.  Think about it.

AGiI–great post, thorough post, keep them coming.  Some how we need to drown out the whiney voices of the brainwashed.

But will the obots see the point you’re making by linking those two side by side? 

“Federal Immigration laws that exist now are not being enforced.”

Same old, same old. We can have the same argument about the current financial regulatory reform debate. Do we really need new regulations and laws, or do we need regulators to finally do their jobs and enforce already existing laws. Let’s start with the SEC, FINRA, and ICE (Immigrations & Customs Enforcement). Then let’s look at the NHTSA, where the regulators were hired from the automotive industry and knew exactly how to navigate Toyota through loopholes. When there is a mining accident, we inevitably hear how MSHA may have overlooked problems in the mine. Where does it end? Our regulators are too “industry friendly,” and their incompetence is bringing us down.

GORDO,  I’ve been hoping that THE ONE decides to go to AZ and gets out of his motorcade does something illegal–perhaps taking someone’s bicycle and impounding it because he would have to walk around it.  I’d love to see a hard-working Latino police officer ask him for his legal ID.

Obama is simply pissed off about the new law because he can no longer go to Arizona………………….they may ask him to provide proof that he’s a citizen.

Obama is simply pissed off about the new law because he can no longer go to Arizona………………….they might ask him to provide proof that he’s a citizen.

Cafferty couldn’t see past his own sexism which is why he was so horrid to Hiullary in favor of Obama.  Glad to see that he is at least honest enough to talk about the fact that this law is simply enforcing laws still on the books and that the federal government has been shameful in their refusal to protect our borders — particularly since 9/11 has occurred. 

We are not the only ones knowing how easy access into our country is from Mexico.

Yeah oowawa, his constituents probably don’t need jobs created by tourists.
Really brilliant isn’t he? Must be related to BO!

AGII,

“But I ask, are the rights of citizens in Arizona being more infringed upon by carrying the burden of 460,000 illegal immigrants, and living with dangerously high crime rates, or by showing ID if asked?”

There is no proof that illegals are responsible for elevated levels of crime. Far from it. They actually try to avoid the law (see below).

And what exactly is their burden on society? Studies have shown that 40% of illegal immigrants actually file and pay federal income taxes and they all pay consumption taxes like sales tax.

There is also no proof that illegals take jobs. Blame the white owned businesses who hire illegals, but don’t blame the illegals. Most illegals in this country have been here a very long time and most work extremely hard for very little money. They are a net contributor to the economy. We should be glad to have them to do our shit jobs. They add to the economy and don’t subtract from the economy.

This law is not about the illegals. It is about the tens of millions of hispanic U.S. citizens that will be targeted unfairly under this law.

Easy for you to comment AGII. You are clearly not hispanic and don’t live in AZ. So you think it is right for U.S. hispanic citizens in AZ to continually be harassed and pulled over and asked for their papers. Say you are a hispanic American and you are taking your kid for ice cream and you forgot your papers, then it because a huge big deal. Go down to the police station etc. AGII you are in no position to be commenting on this law sitting over their as an immigrant in Italy.

Just to give you a couple of numbers I am sure you are not aware of. It seems to say this is all about racism and there really is not much of a problem.

> Out of the  12 million illegals in the U.S. only 7 million are mexican.
> the fastest growing group of illegals are actually Indians from India.
> there are many millions of illegal immigrants  that are not hispanic (many European in fact who stay after visas run out). There are more than 1.0 million illegals from Asia.

Do you think this law will target all illegals or only hispanics?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Indians-fastest-growing-illegal-immigrant-group-in-US/articleshow/4880276.cms

> The U.S. nationalized over 1 million immigrant every year, so the 12 million who are here illegally, with many being here for a very long time, does not even sound like a very big number.

> since 1986 there have been 7 amnesties for illegals. No one complained about those amnesties.

> In 2009, a study by the Cato Institute, a free market think tank, found that legalization of low-skilled illegal resident workers in the US would result in a net increase in US GDP of $180 billion over ten years.

> An Op-Ed in The New York Times by Harvard University Professor in Sociology Robert J. Sampson says that immigration of Hispanics may in fact be associated with decreased crime.[134] A 1999 paper by John Hagan and Alberto Palloni estimated that the involvement in crime by Hispanic immigrants are less than that of other citizens.[13

Illegal immigration only became an issue for the far right because certain Republicans have tried to make it a wedge issue; just like abortion or gays. End of the day most people could care less. If these illegals were all from Ireland or Italy no body would care.

And, as I said before, I hope this boycott works out as well as the boycott agains Whole Foods did when everyone was upset with that company’s CEO’s response to his dislike for Obummercare.

I know I am not far more inclinde to go to AZ than I have–maybe finally going to stay at Paul’s golf home there.

I heard on Morning Joe this morning that the majority of African Americans and legal Hispanics are opposed to illegal immigration, and they were against Bush’s Amnesty bill.   
 
So, that makes me believe they are concerned about “those jobs” that “no one wants”, ( and of course, crime and the law like every one else.)   
 
So, it seems, the majority of people who don’t want to do anything about illegal immigration are white Democrats and illegal immigrants.   
 
And based on what I wrote in the post, it makes me think that the Democrats real intention is to keep slave labor in the states.  
 
They don’t seem to care about protecting/providing jobs to the African American, Hispanic and blue collar American citizens, but with protecting their access to 10M workers who will work for slave wages.  
 
Do they WANT to keep people on welfare?   
 
If 10M jobs opened up for American citizens, what would that do to people on unemployment and welfare? To those who can’t afford health care?   
 
Thinking out loud, this seems like a big scheme by Democrats to keep poor people poor and needy on the government, and to maintain their access to cheap slave wage labor.

Here we go again.  Give the left enuf rope and they hang themselves.  Here they are doing……..as USUAL……..what they claim others of.

The fact, our presideNOT is nothing but a Community Organizer sitting in the White House.  He divides and incites, he spends other peoples money and ignores any responsibility.

Hitler/Marxist-Socialism/Saul Alinsky, Obama’s required reading.

“Get in their face, argue with them” Barack Obama.

And now Gavin Newsome has made it to my shit list.  Boycotting a state for enforcing law, protecting citizens and any other legal visitors, instead he prefers illegals having full rein and freedoms.  Helllloooo?  And now various CA ‘s leg looking to boycott AZ.  I SAY……..BOYCOTT CALI, they are a burden for our country and apparently don’t think much of our citizens, safetly or laws.

“In 1973, the United Farm Workers set up a “wet line” along the United States-Mexico border to prevent Mexican immigrants from entering the United States illegally and potentially undermining the UFW’s unionization efforts.[16] During one such event in which Chávez was not involved, some UFW members, under the guidance of Chávez’s cousin Manuel, physically attacked the strikebreakers, after attempts to peacefully persuade them not to cross the border failed.[17][18][19]

(from Wikipedia article on Cesar Chavez)

AGiI,

I go one step further:  They want to keep people on welfare so they can feel good about themselves as they make noise about how sorry they feel about people on welfare and feel so good about how really nice they are for feeling sorry for people on welfare, all the while not ever doing anything to really make condidtions different so there won’t be so many people on welfare.

“You, on the other hand, are a mystery to us.  Who are you?  Where do you really live?  What is your background other than that you can find articles that seem to contradict her points.”

Good question, Diana, hey AZ–what other monikers are you posting under on No Quarter?  I’ve posted thousands of comments to NQ, and I’ve never felt the need to use any blogname but the one you see here.  How about you?  WHO ELSE are you?

http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/arizona-law-vs-other-countries-border-crossing-laws/#comments

This was at McNorman’s blog. Has anyone who opposes the Arizona law because it is supposed to target a group of people read the immigration law of Mexico.

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AZ
What part of illegal do you not understand? Illegal is illegal does not matter if they are Mexican, Italian, Irish, Australian or British.
 
You might like to spend a week at INS during an amnesty to show say just one piece of documentation after struggling to walk over and around all the bodies camping and sleeping outside so they did not miss the cutoff date. When you move to the USA the correct way “legally” one should not have to be lined up behind illegal’s trying to get in by the way of a free ride.
Anyone in AZ asked to show their status should not be concerned if they are here legally it’s a fact of life when travelling or at any time you’re stopped on the highway when driving.
There is a great deal more to worry about in the country at the moment than worry if an illegal may finally get their marching orders! Correct way to solve this issue is don’t be here illegally!
 

AZ Gov. Jan Brewer just got a huge poll bounce according to Rassmussen — up 16% — following her signing the immigration law.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor

Sorry Ani, but I guess we made our point.

it sounds like the same person who is obsessed with me living in Italy. I think they secretly love me. hhaha

thanks diane and oowawa!! 

LOL sara, but I’m afraid Mr. Mystery Poster is strictly a domestic US troll, and loves nobody but Thee One.  Your secret admirer is probably some poor lovelorn Marcello Mastroianni wannabe who is head-over-heels enamored of your dazzling American er, prose style . . .

The FEDS won`t enforce the borders. They are to busy looking for Ronald McDonald and charge him for putting toys in Happy Meals.

All this whining about something that is illegal from the left.  What part of illegal=crime don’t they understand.

It’s not a downtrodden thing.  It’s a criminal element and criminal activity thing.  There’s a city nearby me that I won’t drive around in after about 6:30 at night because of the ILLEGAL GANGS (and yes, most of them are from Mexico) that think nothing of shooting at each other and innocent people.  

why don’t you comment on the points I make….. the rest is BS. Sara you post your opinion on this important topic. The blog allows for commentary. I comment on your opinion. Addressing some your points, believing your facts are wrong. All you get on here is a lot of personal BS. Irrelevant commentary. I guess when someone cannot defend their position they just attack or go off topic.

helenk,

Thanks for the heads up.  I love the way Greta interviews–two great interviews on the videao.  The sherriff (Babeu ?) in AZ was quite articulate.  Sandstrom in Utah was not quite as articulate, but did give good reasons why Utah should do this because of its border with AZ.  I had to pat myself on the back because he brought up the identify theft poblem I mentioned above.  Watch the video–excellent.

Really HARP; I’ve noticed FAR TOO MANY kids giggling over those Happy Meals!  Maybe an O logo and some healthy arugula would tone them down–for their own good, of course . . .

Here where I live there are very few Hispanics, and jobs that none of us would want are being done by local, American workers. The balderdash that Hispanics are needed to do the jobs we don’t want to do mis just that balderdash…

This was in response to AGiI’s comment about how these drive by people love her.

“First a micro-chip, then hey, how about some chains, then put ‘em on a farm… Hmmm, what does that sound like?”

Sounds to me like a despicable troll trying to blow a smoke screen across this discussion by making it sound like Nazis tattooing Jews during the Holocaust . . .

AZ–because you’re trying to manipulate and confuse this blog and the commenters on it by posting under many different blognames.  Am I right?

Nice Diana, this point is the core of liberal methodology.

For a long, long, loooong time now, the liberal left has been blessed with solid support from AA’s, the poor, and an eclectic group of malcontents who exist in a constant state of anger over a broad array of perceived inequities. The libs maintain this support with a litany of worthless promises, addicting and corrosive social support programs, and oily, pandering lip-service. If the liberal politicians were to ever actually elevate the lifestyles of their various voter blocks, they would eventually lose the issues that they exploit to get their support. It is self serving for the left to aggravate and amplify various societal ills, such as racism, illegal immigration, poverty, environmental extremism, class strata, and so on, because as long as there is discontent about these various problems, the lib politicians can prance around in their false persona of “Social Super Hero”, and pretend to have deep empathy for society’s victims, and dangle before them magic elixers that can cure all that’s wrong in the world. But actually doing something substantially constructive to make the lives of their supporters better, would be like a drug dealer sending his customers to detox, they would be putting themselves out of business.  

I did hear one Arizona sheriff talk about the downside of the law and that was mainly cost to the State of Arizona.  According to him [and I haven't doublechecked the info] those illegals who are outed in an ID check will go through the Arizona courts, rather than being turned over to ICE as has been the custom. His feeling was the burden would be on Arizona state taxpayers and once they realized how expensive this would be they wouldn’t be as enthused.

As I said I didn’t check this out.  So, it could be right or it could be wrong.  But it’s another consideration I hadn’t heard before.

Personally?  I see this as a failure of the Fed to address genuine problems along the border states and putting business interests before the public’s safety and welfare.

Our governmental watchdogs have turned blind on so many fronts that it’s hard to keep up. 

Oh, happy days! 

And I did hear that Utah is considering a similar law because they’re afraid of an illegal immigrant flight/swamp into their state from Arizona. 

I am encouraged that I haven’t read any typical PC nonsense that you cannot use the word “illegal” for people who have broken immigration law.  I always thought that was incredibly dumb.  If I drive with out a license, I’m an illegal driver.  Hello?  Somehow even that was turned into a racial slur [ie., there are no illegal human beings argument].

I blame the immigrants far less than I do the Fed and the businesses luring them here.  I would like to see working families given a break, offered a path to citizenship.  If they’re unwilling to comply then they’re sent home.  But I hate this idea of tearing families apart who have been here, established roots, work, pay taxes, lead productive lives, etc. 

But first, we need to close the borders and make it prohibitive for businesses to hire undocumented workers. Otherwise, we’ll never get a handle on it. 

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AZ_428.pdf

McCain Less Popular than Obama in Arizona
Raleigh, N.C. – John McCain might still beat Barack Obama handily were there a redo of the 2008 election in McCain’s home state, but the senator’s constituents now view Obama’s job performance more favorably than they do that of their longtime senator. 45% of Arizona voters like the job Obama is doing, to 51% who disapprove. While that may seem bad, only 34% approve of how McCain is handling his job to 55% who do not. Republicans only barely approve, 48-39, with independents down at 28-58. Worse for McCain, his abandonment of the traditional “maverick” label of which he was once proud now has him viewed by 55% as being “a partisan voice for national Republicans,” versus the 28% who see him as “an independent voice for Arizona.” A 35% plurality view him as too conservative; that mark is 45% with moderates.

If they don’t want to be stopped by the police, they SHOULD NOT break the law.  Then, they won’t get stopped.  This goes for legals and ILLEGALS.

> AZ may have a high crime rate, although you do not prove this, but what does that have to do with illegal immigrants? You do not prove that illegals are responsible for the high crime rate, as you seem to suggest. The evidence is the opposite. Illegals are not responsible for high rates of crime.

> if there were Americans willinbg to do these jobs, then there would be Americans doing those jobs. Get mad at the people doing the hiring, not the illegals? the reality is they provide an economically beneficial cheap pool of labor for many sectors of the economy.

> not sure what you are talking about above when mention what this is about, as you talk about a separate issue. the law will unfairly target the millions of U.S. hispanic citizens. that is wrong and unconstitutional. they will be the ones also pulled over constantly for “looking” like illegals

> yes you can be stopped and harrassed for no reason other than being suspected for being an illegal immigrant. Go read the law. You have no idea why this law is even controversial. Why are you even writing on this subject when you don’t even know the facts? In fact the law ”requires” law enforcement to check people. Why do you think many law enforcement agencies in AZ are against this? It puts them in the role of being immigration officiers which they do not want.

“The legislature in that state has just passed a measure that would require police officers to check the immigration status of anyone if there is a “reasonable suspicion” that person may be in the country illegally. The Arizona measure would drop that key stipulation and compel police to pick up illegal immigrants “when practicable.” Citizens could even sue officials to compel such enforcement.”

It does not require someone to be breaking the law. You should stop commenting on this issue because you obviously have no clue to the facts. You are just spreading misinformation.

In fact, police agencies in AZ are worried the illegals may be  encouraged to break the law, as if they think they will be stopped by police they might fight back or run or whatever. Saw a good interview with a police chief from AZ on this issue.

There are better ways to deal with illegals, which is really not much of a problem to start with, as you can make the argument that they are a net benefit to this country.

Easy for you to sit in Italy where you have no clue about what is going on or about the actual facts.

Dario

Your post makes no sense!  This AZ law mirrors the Federal law.  If you were in Mexico or any other country, you need a passport now even to visit.  Obama, the Democrats and the lame stream media are playing the race card.  Vote these bums out……

” and a huge drug problem.  “  I saw an article in this morning’s (NC) paper stating that AZ border guards confiscate 3000 pounds of marijuana per day that is brought into AZ from Mexico.  If that is not a drug problem it will do until the real thing comes along.

“Wow, a child’s garden of talki ng points”   LOL

FF, I think incumbents of all stripes are going to have a problem come election time.  There’s a growing “throw the bums out” movement underway. 

You are welcome. I also saw that a women in Texas wants to put the law on the table in January. One by One the states are going to have to pick up where backtrack cut to keep the country safe.

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Let’s boycott SF….

How about mircro-chipping Freedom Fighter and all the Obots…..

You and your kind can get out of the way or get trampled.

I’m afraid, sowsear, that Happy Meals are much worse than “illegal.”  In fact, nowadays “illegal” is perfectly okay.  They’re “subversive!”

You must have identification and a passport when visiting any other country and must present documentation if questioned.  Why would we have a different rule here?

Just try and move into a country in Europe illegally and see how easy it is for you to get a job there or to move around without any documentation offering your eligibility to be there.

Well if you’re not happy you can always move to Mexico AZ!  See ya!

It would increase their IQs.

The most telling aspect of the AZ law is the way Obama, the Dems, Sharpton, the protestors, and the media are turning it into race baiting.  What happened to the idea that Barky was going to be a uniter?????

Ever since he took office, we’ve had one villain after another.  Obama and the Dems have shoved their radical agenda down our throats.  I really believe that the reason all the usual suspects are on the same page-they want to remake this nation into a permanent welfare state and have total control over our lives.

We can’t take anything for granted in the November election.  Look at HC and how Obama’s thuggish ways were used to bribe, lie, and demeanize any one that gets in the way to distribute America’s wealth. 

Napolitano proves that she is a complete idiot.  Most of the Hispanics who are legally in Arizona like this new law.

hahaha

“the mess America is now in, because they avoided this problem for far too long.”

and here lies a major issue.   The US govt has allowed illegal immigration to run rampant for too long and now its being “cut off” all of a sudden and turning this into a maylay.  does anyone really expect a different reaction?  

People need to hold the govt accountable for allowing this to happen.  All these illegals that are here is because quite simply, THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN, with the unmanned borders to name one issue and employers employing them with a Tax ID #

 I’m still quite perplexed on the “slave wages” argument.  Really? slave wages? is there proof these illegals are working for slave wages? I’m sure the migrant workers are being paid poorly and a few others but Jack in the box can’t pay slave wages.  They pay minimum wage.  If that is considered a “slave wage” then Americans need to demand the wage goes up.  I noticed many of the Mcdonalds employ those mexicans now.  I Hardly ever see a gringo or a black working there, well at least here in Vegas.  Is Mcdonalds paying slave wages too? 

Its true many Americans don’t want to work for minimum wage like at a mcdonalds.  we want our burgers cheap but then trip when illegals are working those jobs. WTF?  So lets see, at mickeyd’s lets say they pay $7.50 an hour (legal wage) at 30 hours per week.  Thats $975.00 a month.  Who in the hell is going to work for that?  Americans rather go on welfare and collect food stamps,  They earn more money doing NADA.

So again America wants everything cheap but then gets pissed off at the price of getting everything cheap.  We are suffering a terrible co-dependency issue.

But again, I can only tell you from my experience in dealing with the Hispanic community, many don’t work for slave wages, sorry but that is not true.  They work at Casinos, construction, restaurants, grocery stores and these places don’t pay slave wages.  They actually make decent money and spend their money here, buy groceries, cars, clothes, rent houses, pay taxes and yes send money back home. God forbid, they have families to support.  I guess everyone would be much happier seeing them run through the streets tossing their money in the air but god forbid sending their money to another country.  They need to burn in hell if they do that.

We definitley need to do something about the illegal immigration and the government needs to start owning up to their allowance of this illegal immigration run amuck.  They are the reason this is the way it is.

I live on the border.   How lucky most are to not know what it is like to live in fear.  Perhaps those that believe that the violence has not reached us yet should read the Mexican border city newspapers.  5,000 murders in the city of Juarez alone.  Has it crossed the border, yes.  Why does the Mayor of Juarez live in El Paso as do other government officials?  Why did the state government want to move operations to the city of Juarez?

This border issue has been long in the making.  Now, the violence in Mexico is forcing many to come to the US.  It touches everyone in more ways than you can ever imagine.

Or in Canada, for cryin’ out loud . . .

The AZ sheriff that Greta interviewed seemed pretty darned happy with the bill.

Peggy Sue,

Take the time to go to Uppity’s site today, as helenk suggests up thread.  A good interview with an AZ sheriff and with Sandstrom in Utah about his proposed law.

You mean like this:

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

I am willing to donate 1 penny and a copy of the Mexican immigration law.

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From the state of things in CA, with its AMAZING financially sound system of government, we’re supposed to think this argument coming from CA should change our minds?  I don’t get the reasoning.  I’m often inclined more to say, if CA’s legislators are for it, I’m against it.  Heck, we hear in CO used to always claim that we were being “californicated” by all the people moving here to get away from there.

And you, and people like you who live with the problem daily, are the ones we should listen to the most!

Maybe also seditious. Happy meals, apple pie and Sarah Palin. Enemies of the new state.

normas, that’s interesting about the Chihuahua state government moving its operations to Juarez.  That’s a good sign of Mexican officials trying to take charge of the horrendous situation.  It would be like a commitment of the Texas government to move from Austin to El Paso . . .

Yep, I lived in Texas a long time and I know legal Mexican Americans aren’t for illegals and they are a lot more conservative, religious and family oriented than most liberals across America. The liberal agenda isn’t really for them. I think this race bait is really dangerous for the left to play with.

LOL–yeah Doc–”seditious”–that’s what I meant to say . . .

There is a lot of grapes of wrath style exploitation happening with these illegal workers. It goes beyond the low wages and into their disposability if seriously injured while at work, their exploitation of being charged to share commmunal substandard housing and so on. There are a lot of things that can be done to illegals because they are afraid to tell.

I am a native Arizonan and do not support this bill neither do I support “ILLEGAL” ANYTHING, including immigration.  As bad bill starting with Pearce who obtained assistance of various university/ jr college professors with uncertain credentials to co-write the bill. For years DOJ has had Arizona under investigation for racial profiling and  Brewer will be remembered as the female Ev Meacham.  Businesses will reap hades from the bill’s economic fall-out and as a result there will be a repeal (perhaps a recall of Brewer)

AZ – Did you watch the video in the post?

And AZ, I lived in So Cal for 10 years and saw first hand employed illegal workers, and what happens to neighborhoods that became more and more infiltrated with illegal immigrants. I also worked with some very nice illegals at a restaurant. So, again, I think I know about immigration. 

You are the one who is confused on the law.

“There are better ways to deal with illegals, which is really not much of a problem to start with, as you can make the argument that they are a net benefit to this country.” 

Such as? I agree that you need to go after the people who employ them. They are not a net benefit it employers are able to pay below minimum wage for jobs that if they were legal could be employing people who live in USA legally. Not to mention the drain on hospitals and tax payers that pay for their medical care. And the schools that are over flowing with kids.

“ You do not prove that illegals are responsible for the high crime rate”

Living in the country illegally is a CRIME. Identity theft, drug trafficking, and gang violence are crimes.

Hidden cost of illegal immigration: ID theft

THE IMPACT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND ENFORCEMENT ON BORDER CRIME RATES

‘Illegal immigration is correlated with higher violent crime rates, while greater border enforcement has had a role in reducing both property and violent crime rates.”

The divergence with national trends with respect to violent crime suggests that the border is becoming a relatively more violent region—this despite massive increases in enforcement since the middle of the 1990s.
http://dallasfedbackup.org/research/papers/2003/wp0303.pdf

California is vast, and it’s made up of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly–but also the beautiful.  I’m a native, but I taught in Washington and once had my students write on this topic: “A popular bumper sticker nowadays says ‘Don’t Californicate Washington.’ What does that mean?”  There was lots of Cali-bashing in those days in Washington–much of it from ex-Californians.  I’m also an ex-San Franciscan, and it breaks my heart to see what has happened to The City.

Drug trafficking
According to proceedings from a 1997 meeting of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims, “Through other violations of our immigration laws, Mexican drug cartels are able to extend their command and control into the United States. Drug smuggling fosters, subsidizes, and is dependent upon continued illegal immigration and alien smuggling.” 
Drug cartels have been reported using illegal immigrants, sometimes armed, to cultivate marijuana within American National Forests, in California’s Los Padres National Forest,  Tahoe National Forest,  Six Rivers National Forest,  and Sequoia National Forest,  as well as in Arizona,  Oregon, and Colorado. 

“Napolitano proves that she is a complete idiot.”

Not that Napolitano.  This is from Judge Andrew Napolitano, the conservative FOX legal analyst.

“Most of the Hispanics who are legally in Arizona like this new law.”

Where’s your poll on that?  I’d like to see it.

After what we know about “studies” and how people skew “studies”, if you believe anything about a study, you’re naive.

Why do you not support the bill?  Documentation is easy.  This is immigration law.  Unless you are doing something that might be questionable, you really have nothing to worry about.  I show my ID everyday at many institutions, and I am curious why you believe that it is a bad law. 

2007 immigration law:
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

Mexico is a beautiful place.  Unfortunately, it suffers greatly from corruption.  Bald faced corruption.

How can we show support for this law in Arizona??  I don’t mean buying a slogan bearing T-shirt made in China.  I mean economically or for simple moral support. Any ideas?

“I personally do not think illegal immigration is a problem.”

Just for the record, a person commenting as “AZ” posted this remarkable bit of wisdom on April 28, 2010.

It wouldn’t matter. Polls only count when people like what they say. Everybody has their hands over their ears saying na,na,na,na. Nobody involved in the process really cares a whit about real people or what they want.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042705324.html

The public trusts Democrats more than Republicans to handle the major problems facing the country by a double-digit margin, giving Democrats a bigger lead than they held two months ago, when Congress was engaged in the long endgame over divisive health-care legislation.  A majority continues to see Obama as “just about right” ideologically, despite repeated GOP efforts to define the president as outside the mainstream.

Those polled also say they trust Obama over Republicans in Congress to deal with the economy, health care and, by a large margin, financial regulatory reform.  And the president continues to get positive marks on his overall job performance, with, for the first time since the fall, a majority of independents approving.

Weird.  It’s almost as if the majority of the public prefers effective governance over racial-profiling, death-panel ranting, and dire threats of Communist Armageddon.

The LAT was from 2008.  I can tell you that the city has sustained $1million as of 2008.

Well, oowawa and NLBB, I guess I should not even get into the things we said about the Texans driving their huge RVs on the winding mountain roads of CO.  Especially in the southern part of CO, a Texas license plate caused us to do our best to get as far away from the vehicle as we could to save ourselves long hours of frustration and fear on the roads.  Flatlanders should have to show their papers, as far as I’m concerned, to drive through our mountains.

Actually, if anyone drives down the length of the middle of CA, he or she comes away with a genuine sense of awe.  It is a beautiful state. And I drove into Palo Alto to enjoy a vegetarian Thanksgiving one year.  Reaching the bridge into SF at night with the lights on the bridge, the lights from the buildings–already for the holidays.  It was an amazing sight.  There are many, many things that made CA the destination for so many in our history.  It’s just too bad that that certain “intellectually snobby” crowd had to take over its government.

I see that Flagstaff, Phoenix and Tucson are willing to file suit because of the economic impact.

Check how the polling was done. It was strongly weighted in Dem’s favor.

Jackie, your last name wouldn’t happen to be ‘Goebbels’, would it?

Sounds like the Obama Monarchy.

It is unfortunate that anchor babies have been used in this manner for so long.  One of my concerns is the dual citizenship that is allowed for such anchor babies.  They usually are registered in Mexico as well. 

Here is the law in case anyone wants to read it.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/16/AzSB1070.pdf

My mother is a corrections officer in Az. They have lots of Californian inmates and says they are the worst of the worse. I bet she’d be happy to send the losers back to California to make way for illegal aliens who she says as a whole are better prisoners.   

HaHa NLBiB–If we have the prison population pick the crops–that’ll still be about 25% illegal immigrants, right?  And the United Farm Workers aren’t going to like that one bit . . .

“Everyday the same tired old crap. Doesn’t it get old?”

Boy, I really could ask you the same question.  You guys have been fighting the 2008 primaries for 2 years running, as if they never ended.  Doesn’t that $hit get old?  Let it go!

One thing that does need to be addressed are the kids who are undocumented, not anchor babies, but who have lived here most of their lives.  Many of them think of themselves as American, not Mexican.  When they graduate high school, sometimes at a higher rate than the Hispanic kids who were born here, their opportunities are limited because of their status as “illegal.”  

This situation is SO complex and needs to be addressed now and addressed with intelligence and by people who really have to deal with the problems every day.  I am so afraid that when it’s addressed it will be as it was with the obamanable HC Bill, by senators and representatives who just play political games and really understand nothing about the problems.

Ok, it’s illegal to be an illegal citizen in Arizona. Going that two negatives cancel each other out, does that mean an illegal illegal is now a legal citizen?

You all need to read the bill. I read it as saying the cops can only stop someone (legal, illegal, white, black, pink, polkadotted) if there is reasonable suspicion. Only then, can they ask for ID that proves citizenship if it’s reasonable and practical.  It’s not even like it’s a mandatory part of policeman contact.

WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

They cannot stop people just to ask for citizenship on a whim without just cause. That’s illegal now and continues to be illegal, no matter your citizenship. 

The odds that cops, Judges, attorneys and Feds will all work in collusion to violate the rights of illegal citizens by making up bogus charges to stop them, convict them, house them, fine them, transfer them and then deport them is very small. 

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/16/AzSB1070.pdf 

I watched the vid at Uppity’s site.  I’m totally synpathetic to the sheriff’s point of view.  In fact, I give him credit–he’s willing to admit he and his men simply don’t have the number of people to address the problem, which puts him and his men at risk.  Plus, I took note that he has a large number of Hispanic officers on his force.  And Sandstrom from Utah was probably the talking point I picked up earlier–that Utah is afraid of being swamped in the light of Arizona’s new law. That’s not crazed thinking; it’s proactive.

As I said, I don’t live in a border state, so I’m not dealing with the problem the way residents are.  Now the sheriff I mentioned upthread is a staunch Dem I just found out.  The opposition appears to be shaking down purely on the politics, which is why nothing ever gets accomplished. Everyone’s so intent on the pissing contests and scoring points, they seem to forget the reason they were voted into office.

We can support AZ by voting the Dems out……and booking our vacations in their state……

Why did Obama and the Democrats still manage to hold more trust over their GOP opponents?  The pollster talked to more of them, that’s how – and more of them than they did in the last poll, relative to Republicans.  In the March 26th poll, the WaPo/ABC sample had a D/R/I split of 34/24/38, giving Democrats a partisan advantage of 10 points in the poll.  This time, the sample’s split went 34/23/38, and even the independents split in favor of the Democrats, 19/17, up from 17/17 last month.  Just to give some perspective, the partisan gap from their November 2008 poll just before the election was nine points – and 26% of the sample was Republicans, compared to 23% now.
Given the expanding partisan gap shown in this poll, small wonder that Obama winds up with more trust than Republicans among respondents. It’s also no mystery why the WaPo/ABC poll shows Obama adding to his job approval rating, 54/44, when every other pollster has Obama sinking. That ten-point swing in the sample makes quite a difference. 

And the fact that many people are STILL so angry about the crap that happened during the primary doesn’t give you pause?  Are we so stupid?  Are you inherently smarter? It’s obvious to me that the regular posters here pull on a wealth of knowledge and have far more life experience than you do.  You seem to be able to spout only the “we won” talking points.   Instead of using the “we won” argument?  Check into really figuring out whether or not we have good reason to be bitter and angry about that entire election cycle.  

“The first one now will later be last.”  It’s a favorite line from a Dylan song.  At the time, the 60′s protesters used it against the “establishment.”  Now we have the worst elements of the 60′s protest movement, the bombers and terrorist wannabees, in charge with their puppet in the WH. It’s a pretty well accepted fact that many of those who were the most radical then have infiltrated the “establishment” of big money, because many of them were the trust funders of the day, the spoiled rich kids who didn’t have to make the choices about being drafted or working to go to school.  They got to posture and preen and make their fat-cat daddies and mommies proud of their “passion.”  

Those of us who had to live in reality soon got very sick of them.  They lost many of us who could no longer feel sympathy for their excesses. 

Again, I can sing, “The first one now will later be last,” against them, this time.

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I lived through that terrible turmoil.  I saw how those “intellectuals” destroyed a good movement and how they destroyed this last election.

I’m thinking, it will be my grandchildren’s generation that will overturn the idiocy of your generation.  

Some ‘Sanctuary Cities’ Fight Arizona’s New Immigration Law Without Offering Sanctuary http://bit.ly/ar2NXl

“Here we go again changing the subject to birthers! ”

Not changing the subject at all.  We’re talking about the AZ immigration law, right?  Why was a right-wing birther politician from Kansas brought in to write it?

Seems a bit strange for someone who is not even living in this country, who has no real clue to be commenting on things she has no idea what she is talking about. You get even the most fundamental issue with the new law wrong. NO police officers do not have to wait for a crime before check peoples papers. That is why the whole law is unconstitutional, hated by the police and is controversial. Why don’t you focus on the Italian immigration issues, something you are little closer to and may understand better. You are doing nothing but spreading misinformation on here.

So you are saying that the 12 million illegals in this country are responible for more crime at the border. That is complete BS. The last thing and illegal trying to sneak into this country wants to do is to commit crimes at the border. They want to avoid the police to avoid being caught. You have it completely backward.

Now if you want to talk about the drug trade that is completely different. A separate issue. There is nothing in the AZ law that will stop the drug trade and the border crime that that creates.

Well, the constitution was meant to be able to be modified by a consititutional congress. Maybe this is one thing that has changed since the time it was written to the point that the law should be looked at. But you coffeebaggers don’t much care for freedoma or the constitution I know that. The only freedom you coffeebaggers care about is the freedom of the cheese.

There are many many studies that have been done that say that the 12 million illegals in this country do not drive up the crime rate. See some of them quoted above.

As usual you are mixing up topics to somehow support you BS view. The drug trade is responsible for most of the crime you are talking about, not the illegal immigrants.

Why don’t you give us the link to what you quote aveo? What is “Other” violations…? You give no context to the quote you take.

So the way to solve the drug problem is to force all hispanics in AZ to prove they are legal aliens or citizens. Complete BS.

Again I repeat, the last thing an illegal immigrant wants to do is to attract attention from the police. Most illegals are fairly invisible and incredible hard working.

“Immigration: No Correlation With Crime”

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html?imw=Y

There are many many studies that have been done that say that the 12 million illegals in this country do not drive up the crime rate. See some of them quoted above.

As usual you are mixing up topics to somehow support you BS view. The drug trade is responsible for most of the crime you are talking about, not the illegal immigrants.

Why don’t you give us the link to what you quote aveo? What is “Other” violations…? You give no context to the quote you take.

So the way to solve the drug problem is to force all hispanics in AZ to prove they are legal aliens or citizens. Complete BS.

Again I repeat, the last thing an illegal immigrant wants to do is to attract attention from the police. Most illegals are fairly invisible and incredible hard working.

“Immigration: No Correlation With Crime”

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html?imw=Y

From Dudge
SOURCE: Residents in AZ organizing counter-boycott of Mexican food restaurants, travel to Mexican resorts… Developing…

Are they gonna boycott Taco Bell, too?

Yum! Brands, Inc. (NYSE: YUM) or Yum! is a Fortune 500 corporation. Yum! operates or licenses Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut, Wingstreet, and Long John Silver’s restaurants worldwide, and A&W Restaurants (excluding A&W in Canada).
Based in Louisville, Kentucky, it is the world’s largest fast food restaurant company in terms of system units—over 36,000 restaurants around the world in more than 110 countries and territories. In 2008, Yum!’s global sales totaled more than US$11 billion.

It is not about drivers [sic] licenses. It is about proving you are a U.S. citizen. *********************************************
AZ, can any person possibly be any dumber than you?  There are many LEGAL immigrants in this country who DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP, but have taken the time and made the effort to be here according to this country’s RULES.
Your lack of knowledge could fill the Grand Canyon—as Ferd would say, “Go away troll”

AC:

These morons just keep saying the same thing over and over again (thinly-sliced bullshit disguised as intelligent discourse), expecting a different result (i.e., that we would agree with them), which is another definition of insanity.

And yes, these trolls should go away. Here’s a flag for them; there’s the damn door.

Taco Bell is to Mexican Food as iron pyrite is to gold.

I just saw a report on this on the BBC and looked it up. People are upset about the new Arizona law , why no outrage over the treatment that people traveling through Mexico to illegally cross our border receive?

http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGNAU2010042816509&lang=e

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Jackie

The only true conservative is Krauthammer.  Nevertheless, none of them are conducting the one-sided polling. 

How can you support Obama when he plays such divisive politics?  It’s obvious, his job is to stir hate.

He’d have to apply for citizenship….might take awhile

“Right.  So, comparing the man who incited the Kristallnacht to little ole’ Jackie, who posts comments on a blog=”more than justified”. ”

Judging you by your posts, and the disturbing character issues that they reveal about you, I have little doubt that if you had access to the kind of power that Goebbels had, you would probably be just as abusive with it. Don’t sell your self short! 

Jackie

We’re not fighting the 2008 race.  It’s Obama’s outright lies to the American people once he took the oath as President.  It’s obvious that Barky will do or say anything to shove his agenda through even if the American people hate it. 

It is the Independents that are moving to away from the Dems and to the Republicans.  WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DICTORSHIP!

Jackie, I was never anything but a centrist–a little left on the social issues, but never, never, never anything but financially conservative.  Hillary grew up as a Goldwater Republican.  She was more centrist in terms of finances.  She has/had brains and plans, not hopey, dopey ideas that changed every time someone she debated with won an argument.  And she has/had experience and a resume.

When I WITNESSED the thuggery of the primary and general election, the Democratic Party had morphed into a different animal than the one I had supported all those years.  You may think it’s the same party, but it’s not–and you weren’t in it when I knew it, so don’t think it is.

My grandparents were always more sympathetic to our generation than our parents.  I’m sure I will be more sympathetic to my grandchildren’s generation.

My only hope is that my grandchildren don’t have to live in a failed socialistic state that your generation is trying to bring about after stupidly NOT really checking out how other socialistic states failed and why.  And after NOT learning of the terrible suffering that occurred in them.  It’s why I try my best here to counter the idiocy.  I know how your generation was raised and educated–spoiled, lacking discipline, ego-centric, convinced of your “specialness.”  Things in life go in cycles.  

I do always try to address you with reason.  I vow NEVER to answer you again.  You’re hopeless, which is sad for someone so sure of the hopey, dopey change you voted for.

Well, since the POTUS is a dick, this could be a Dicktatorship. 

“Judging you by your posts, and the disturbing character issues that they reveal about you,”

You’re the one who compares those you disagree with on random internet blogs to the Nazis.  You actually stated that the comparison of me to the murderers of more than 6 million Jews was “more than justified”.  I wouldn’t be lecturing others about “disturbing character issues” if I were you.

Jackie

What difference does it make if the guy is a birther?  He could be from Mars for all I care.  The bottom line is the AZ law mirrors the Federal law.  You can’t talk about that can you? 

It is Obama that took an oath to uphold and defend the Constituttion and laws of the US and you are blabbing about a birther. 

“It is the Independents that are moving to away from the Dems and to the Republicans.”

Nope:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042705324.html

And the president continues to get positive marks on his overall job performance, with, for the first time since the fall, a majority of independents approving.

“You’re the one who compares those you disagree with on random internet blogs to the Nazis.  You actually stated that the comparison of me to the murderers of more than 6 million Jews was “more than justified”.  I wouldn’t be lecturing others about “disturbing character issues” if I were you. ”

Sounds like the little “Nazi wanna be” Jackie can’t stomach her own medicine. Poor baby. See how it feels to be considered a Nazi? You and your ilk are constantly doing this, and don’t bother denying it. Comparing conservatives, Tea Partiers, and anyone else who isn’t on the left, to Nazis, is so common, it has just become a hackneyed cliche. But boy oh boy, when I turn the tables on you with the Nazi comparison just to illustrate the absurdity of such hyperbole, you crap in your size 24 panties. Go clean yourself off.

Jackie

Let’s talk about Obama’s HC plan.  Did you hear Peter Orsag the President’s point man talk about the Medicare commission that has the power to ration care?  This is how they plan to cut costs in HC.   This is why what happens in Europe matters.  Palin was right - these are death panels.

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Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliensBy Michelle Malkin  •  April 28, 2010 12:36 AM

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This is what a “police state” looks like
My syndicated column today responds to Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s demagoguery on Arizona’s immigration enforcement law. Calderon has a long history of bashing the U.S. — and then getting rewarded for it with billions of dollars in foreign aid (see here, here, and here).

I reported on Calderon’s aggressive meddling on behalf of illegal aliens through his government consulate offices in America here. Heather Mac Donald published a thorough investigation of the Mexican government meddle-crats here. Allan Wall has reported on it for years. Mike Sweeney, an Arizona Republic letter-writer underscores my column theme today:
“Having traveled into Mexico last year to various cities on the Baja Peninsula, a distance of more than 1,000 miles round-trip, we were stopped more than 20 times at various checkpoints. At most of those stops, we were told to exit the vehicle and we were subjected to rigorous inspections. Where does Mexican President Felipe Calderón get off with his hypocritical outrage at our Senate Bill 1070?”

Where indeed?

CONTINUED BELOW

Studies have shown ? WTF?

No link, Dink.

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– Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.
Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.
Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

CONTINUED BELOW

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Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing — a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

Hipócritas.


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It is rumoured that before LBJ signed the Civil Right’s act, he stated “those N-word will vote for us for generations.” And if this is true he was right. Regardless of the fact that Republicans over whelmingly voted for the Civil Rights act and alot of Democrats did not, African Americans have completely reremembered history and believe that all Republicans wear white sheets. Trust me, I was shocked when in 11th grade US History  learned in US history that republicans freed the slaves, it simply didn’t jive with what i had heard about Republicans growing up.  The democrats are running around with there hair on fire becaus sending illegals home actually ruins there plans to recriut  another group of moronicly loyal slaves to work the democratic plantation.  Think about it, once you have the vote of the two largest minority groups locked down, it means a permanent majoirty. And with this group of fascist nuts running the Democratic party I shudder to consider it. Also Obama and friends are running scared. there jacked up spending and Bush-esq lies have awoken the mildy retarded sleeping giant we know as the American People. They are going down in flams in November, and are trying to minimalize the damage by throwing things like accusations of racism and supposed Republican love affair with Walstreet a head of time. LIttle do they know they have maxed out their race card and are just pissing people off, and everyone is quite aware of who is really in the bed with the banking industry Can anyone say Dodd and Frank. I just happen to scroll some of the comments on Yahoo which is hardly right winged, and believe me people are informed and pissed.

Personally i think Arizona needs to do what right for there state, If Obama and friends can shove a Health Care bill that the majority of the American People did not want, why the hell can’t ARizona pass a bill which 70% of it citizens want. Az dems support this bill 50%-50%.  ANd 60% of Americans across the board support Arizona. So I think Obama and friends need to stuff it before they end up tarred and feathered instead of just kicked out of office.

So true.  Mexico has always had issues with foreigners in their country.  You only have to look at how Mexico has addressed the Chiapas Conflict.  The treatment of their indigenous people is deplorable.

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How can we show support for this law in Arizona?? 

I don’t mean buying a slogan bearing T-shirt made in China. 

I mean economically or for simple moral support.

Any ideas?

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THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS HERE

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/04/28/hey-do-you-like-to-buy-stuff-then-buy-stuff-from-arizona-its-buycott-time-baby/#comments

Mexico admits abuse of migrants crossing through Mexico..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_migrants_1

From MO’s Mirror blog:

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Wow, TheOne’s auntie may be in deep doo-doo:

Crackdown on Illegal Immigration Gains Steam in…Massachusetts

by Stephan Tawney on Wed, Apr 28, 2010

Yes, the Bay State is going anti-illegal immigration. Reports the Boston Herald:
A Republican crackdown blocking illegal immigrants from scooping up taxpayer-funded benefits such as welfare and food stamps is gaining steam on Beacon Hill – as Democratic lawmakers and two candidates for governor scrambled yesterday to back the tough new measure.

“We can’t afford to be giving money to people who are breaking the law,” said state Rep. Jeffrey D. Perry (R-Sandwich), who filed an amendment to the budget that would force state departments offering taxpayer-funded assistance to check the applicant with federal immigration authorities.

“If our housing programs had this policy, the president’s aunt wouldn’t have been able to get access to our public housing,” said Perry, referring to President Obama’s aunt, Zeituni Onyango, an illegal Kenyan immigrant who notoriously nabbed a state-funded apartment in South Boston.
In fact, Governor Deval Patrick (D) — a committed liberal — even conceded that more has to be done to ensure illegal aliens aren’t receiving state services. And he’s on record supporting in-state college tuition for illegal aliens who’ve graduated from the state’s school system.

http://www.americanpundit.com

I know someone who adopted a child from Mexico. She was upposed to be there two weeks. It ended up more than two months and many thousands of dollars longer..She said they had to pay everyone…and when they finally had the adoption papers signed, they had to pay to be accompanied to the border.

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This BlogLinked From HereThe WebThis Blog    Linked From Here   The Web    <!– google_ad_section_start(name=default) –>Tuesday, April 20, 2010Wow! First Blacks in Congress Were ALL Republicans | posted by EricaThunderpaws Just found a great piece of history on the National Black Republican Association (NationalBlackRepublicans.com) website.  You certainly won’t hear any Democrats telling you this story!  What too many people don’t know is that the Republican Party developed to fight slavery.  In pursuit of the truth, it is vitally important that we share this information with young people.

First Blacks in Congress Were All Republicans
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United States Senate
Hiram Rhodes Revels (1822-1901); Republican – Mississippi; 1870-1871
Blanche Bruce (1841-1898); Republican – Mississippi; 1875-1881

House of Representatives
John Willis Menard (1838-1893); Republican – Louisiana; 1868
Joseph Rainey (1832-1887); Republican – South Carolina; 1870-1879
Jefferson F. Long (1836-1901); Republican – Georgia; 1870-1871
Robert C. De Large (1842-1874); Republican – South Carolina; 1871-1873
Robert B. Elliott (1842-1884); Republican – South Carolina; 1871-1874
Benjamin S. Turner (1825-1894); Republican – Alabama; 1871-1873
Josiah T. Walls (1842-1905); Republican – Florida; 1871-1873, 1873-1875, 1875-1876
Richard H. Cain (1825-1887); Republican – South Carolina; 1873-1875, 1877-1879
John R. Lynch (1847-1939); Republican – Mississippi; 1873-1877, 1882-1883
James T. Rapier (1837-1883); Republican – Alabama; 1873-1875
Alonzo J. Ransier (1834-1882); Republican – South Carolina; 1873-1875
Jeremiah Haralson (1846-1916); Republican – Alabama; 1875-1877
John Adams Hyman (1840-1891); Republican – North Carolina; 1875-1877
Charles E. Nash (1844-1913); Republican – Louisiana; 1875-1877
Robert Smalls (1839-1915); Republican – South Carolina; 1875-1879, 1882-1883, 1884-1887
James E. O’Hara (1844-1905); Republican – North Carolina; 1883-1887
Henry P. Cheatham (1857-1935); Republican – North Carolina; 1889-1893
John Mercer Langston (1829-1897); Republican – Virginia; 1890-1891
Thomas E. Miller(1849-193); Republican – South Carolina; 1890-1891
George W. Murray (1853-1926); Republican – South Carolina; 1893-1895, 1896-1897
George Henry White (1852-1918); Republican – North Carolina; 1897-1901

State documents in twelve languages…why?

ABSOLUTELY, MEXICANS TOOK OVER TACO BELL, SWEET TOMATOES,CURORTS HOTELLS IN VAIL, ASPEN AND OTHER WELL KNOW PLACE , AND WE HEAR MORE LATINO LANGUAGE IN STORES LIKE; HOME DEPOT,LEWIS, JUST EVERYWERE. TRASHING STORES, DESTROY PROPERTIES-YARDS, DESTROY ALL THEY CANS, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT GIVE DAMN ABOU USA COULURE AND LIFE STYLE. OUR STRETS LOOKS MORE LIKE IN MEXICO, BECAUSE GOVERNMET DOES NOT CARE ANYMORE ABOUT CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL AMERICA. HIGHWAY ARE IN SHAMBO. I JUST CAME BACK FROM COLORADO AND THEIR CITIZENS WERE SO PROUD OF THEIR ROADS AND STREETS, NOW LOOK SO UGLY!!!HOLES ARE EVERYWERE. HOME BUILDERS ARE USING CONTRACTORS WHO ARE HIREING ILLEGALLS EVERWERE. THIS MUST STOP AND IT IS ALL IN OUR HANDS. EECTION WILL PAY BADLY, AND IF PRESIDENT OBAMA IS IGNORIG A FACT, THA 12 MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS PLUS THEIR fAMILES TAKING OVER OUR CONTRY, THE LAST CHANCES HE WILL HAVE TO WIN IN 2012. I VOTE FOR HIM, BUT IF THIS MESS DONT STOP, HE WILL NOT WIN. USA AND USA CITIZENS AND LIGAL RESIDENTS MUST BE FIRS, NOT THE OTHER WAY.

as USA citizen I am not affraid of the new LAW, I allways keep my documents with me. It is so easy, and those who are against, must illegaly un USA and rugs trefficers. All those demonstratos dhould be checkes and if they do not have valid documents, deportation is the only answer.More  jobs for police and Emigration stuff!!!

I love how you guys think you’ve really discovered a historical secret when you announce that the Republican Party used to not be the party of the Confederacy.  That they actually freed the slaves.  
 
Yeah, we know that.  Anyone who actually paid attention in high school knows that.  Hell, I knew that in elementary school.  This is not exactly breaking news. 
 
History is a little more complicated than “Hey, the Republican Party of 1860 was against slavery, so black people should love it forever, no matter what has happened since then!  Forget the Southern Strategy of 1968-forward, forget Philadelphia, MS, and especially forget the fact that all of the then-Southern Democrats and their descendants are now voting down-the-line Republican.  By all means, DON’T LOOK AT THE PRESENT.  LOOK AT THE PAST!”  
 
That’s what you guys are saying, after all.

Well there must be a shortage of United Farm Workers if the farms need illegal to pick. Why isn’t the UFW complaining about illegals like they used to?

“The UFW during Chávez’s tenure was committed to restricting immigration. César Chávez and Dolores Huerta fought the Bracero Program that existed from 1942 to 1964. Their opposition stemmed from their belief that the program undermined US workers and exploited the migrant workers.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Ch%C3%A1vez 

I do miss fishing for salmon, steelhead and rainbow trout. And I miss sailing on SanFrancisco Bay.

But I do not miss the COLD bay and Ocean water. And I do not miss the COLD fog.

And I don’t miss Must Be From Another Planet Politics. SF gives sanctuary to Illegal Felons. And Berkeley would give sanctuary to mass murderers as long as they roll their R’s.

So what?  Jack Cafferty’s down on Obama now?  He was the biggest Obama cheerleader in the pack!  If you listen to the pro-amnesty crowd, they are criticizing the new law for what it’s not:  it isn’t going to I.D. U. S. citizens.  So, there is not racial profiling.  The opponents are extrapolating that.  

Yes, everyone in AZ is thanking Calderon for that one!

Oh really?  Were you there in person to confirm in fact he didn’t say the racist comment about blacks?  I don’t know if he did or not, but I’m not going to assume he most certainly didn’t just because you say so. It’s quite possible LBJ said both things.

I’m sure many Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, say things that aren’t truly reported due to them being idiotic, racist, insensitive, incorrect, silly, inappropriate, irrelevant and so on.

That is my point. A person from anywhere at anytime for any reason can come accross that border. You can do a lot of damage without a plane and walk away back accross that border. Arizona is trying to protect their state and it’s citizens. It is a damn shame that the federal government had it’s budget cut for border security and can not do the job. It seems some other states are interested in passing the same type of law. One thing this bill did was get national attention and make Washington DC sweat bullets.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

people have been carded by bartenders for years. If they do not card you and you are a minor the bar could lose it’s licence. So whose civil rights are violated? The one who is being carded or the one who loses their licence for not carding?

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

“LBJ peppered his private speech frequently with the dreaded “N” word.”

He certainly did.  Read the Robert Caro trilogy on him for the best historical autobiography series you’ll ever come across.

“Oh really?  Were you there in person to confirm in fact he didn’t say the racist comment about blacks?”

No, it’s just that I’ve done a ton of research on LBJ’s life, and while I’ve heard the quote I mentioned attributed to him by dozens of historians, I’ve never once heard the one kgirl attributed.  I guess it’s possible he also said that, but since it sounds more like an after-the-fact distortion/misinterpretation of the quote I am familiar with, that seems the most likely scenario.

Neither has their rights violated. It is the law for the bar and the patron. Feel free to test it in the courts.

LBJ used the “N” word regularly, but it might be fair to say he generally did not intend malice with it’s use. 

I have not read the Robert Caro trilogy, but do recall a public tv documentary.

I can think of one instance recalled by a black aide, whose name escapes me, where LBJ uttered the missive. The aide said something to the effect he was at the time embarrassed for LBJ, but not hurt by the word.

No offense meant, none taken.

“It might be fair to say LBJ did not intend any malice with his regular use of the faux pas.”

That’s debatable, but what isn’t is LBJ’s profound contribution to African-American civil rights.

“A black aide whose name escapes me recalled hearing LBJ use the “N” word. The aide said that at the time he was embarrassed for LBJ, but not hurt.”

Not sure which aide that was you’re referring to.  His chauffeur during his Senate years was routinely abused with the “N” word and other derogatory claims by LBJ.  He expressed profound ambiguity about Johnson in later years, understanding that LBJ had done great things for his fellow African-Americans, but also still very hurt by what he had to deal with while working for him.

That was educational. Thanks.

San Francisco should boycott Arizona and invite all illegal immigrants to go to California instead of Arizona.

San Francisco is a better place for illegals. Pleas Ms Pelosi, invite all illegals to your State. I will admire you for your social justice.

The heart of the law is this provision: “For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person…”
Critics have focused on the term “reasonable suspicion” to suggest that the law would give police the power to pick anyone out of a crowd for any reason and force them to prove they are in the U.S. legally. Some foresee mass civil rights violations targeting Hispanics.
What fewer people have noticed is the phrase “lawful contact,” which defines what must be going on before police even think about checking immigration status. “That means the officer is already engaged in some detention of an individual because he’s violated some other law,” says Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri Kansas City Law School professor who helped draft the measure. “The most likely context where this law would come into play is a traffic stop.”

The law clearly says that if someone produces a valid Arizona driver’s license, or other state-issued identification, they are presumed to be here legally. There’s no reasonable suspicion.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html#ixzz0mU1eGSJz

During the campaign I had a few email exchanges with Cafferty.  He was thinskinned about criticism of his attacks on Hillary and was quite offensive in his responses.

I’m sure he remembers none of his over the top support of Obama during that time and I just love it that he’s seeing Obama for what he is, finally.  Too little, too late.  Cafferty is a self important jerk.

AZ – “where did you get your ice cream talking point?”

now i remember…from obama! hahah Are you a paid obama parrot now?

http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/4170463/public-opinion-about-immigration/?playlist_id=87651

This is a good video debate on the issue. 

Jackie, WHY? Really? It is “actually” the case. That just shows you have not read the law the gov signed.

Geez.

AGII: Your premise is completely wrong.  Put down the pasta in Italy and read Arizona’s law.  Who carries their birth certificate on their person?  I’ve never been required to do so. And while the police are profiling brown people what about the illegal Eastern European and other immigrants, or when — God forbid – the police need to enforce the law against drug dealers and murderers?  

sara posted earlier: “it sounds like the same person who is obsessed with me living in Italy.” 
 
Yep–Wow is wise to you, Sara.  First thing that happens when American Girls get to Italy, they start picking up the pasta and forget to do their homework.  Shame shame shame.

I’m a fifteen year old Arizona citizen, i am not racist, i do not “racial profile”, and i don’t condone it but something needs to change here we are in a recession and recently I.C.E cracked down on a major corporation i cant remember the name but they deported 300 Illegal workers THREE HUNDRED!! I see family members and friends with children with out jobs and about to be homeless and they take our jobs we have our tax payers dollars being spent on medical care for those law breakers and we have to pay for their children to go to school here. I don’t have a problem with Hispanics but i do have a problem with people who break the law..

What about that poor man who was killed on his ranch just for reporting something…. What about the human trafficking…… What about the drug smuggling… Oh yes thats right no body cares about that stuff, it disappoints me to see people pull the race card every time they don’t agree with the topic. Also, seriously is it really necessary to paint Nazi symbols on our state capital. I’ve lived here all my life, my family was in a car accident 5 years ago, we were hit by an Illegal she didn’t speak a lick of English, had no insurance, and got off Scott free. In the mean time my mother was almost cripple and been through 5 surgeries in the past year and she still has 4 more to go.

So when every one says this bill isn’t fair try to take to heart everything i just said.

Nothing but an echo chamber here.  Do any of you ever seek a dissenting opinion or are you jsut here to circle jerk eachother and make your feel better about your opinions?