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arizona immigration law: what’s more inconvenient, showing i.d. or being kidnapped?


If 70% of Arizonians support the Immigration bill, which means they are willing to show their identification if asked, what’s the problem? Who doesn’t carry identification all the time, anyway? I never leave home without my DL. And from what I understand of the law, the Police can’t profile, or just stop anyone without probable cause or legal contact. It is a secondary offense. Kind of like the seat belt laws in some states – you can’t be pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, but if you are pulled over for speeding or something, and you aren’t wearing the belt, you can get a ticket. The bill also targets those who hire illegal immigrant day laborers or knowingly transport them.

Many people are outraged about the bill, saying this infringes on the rights of all legal citizens, and is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. But I ask, are the rights of citizens in Arizona being more infringed upon by carrying the burden of 460,000 illegal immigrants, and living with dangerously high crime rates, or by showing ID if asked? (Personally, this seems like a good bill in this day and age of terrorism, as well…how many terrorists from 9/11 were here on expired visas?)


If you are an American citizen, how is this a burden? It takes two seconds to show your ID… It’s like driving. If you are stopped, what’s the first thing you have to do? Show your drivers license, registration and insurance. Driving legally, are you ever concerned about showing those documents? The only time you are worried is when you forgot to pay your insurance, or your DL is expired, no? So, what’s the big deal?


Another hot button topic is the issue of whether illegals are “taking jobs” from legal citizens. With nationwide unemployment at 9.7% and as high as 15% in some states, I would think this would be a huge issue. But, as usual, we hear the same old talking point – no one would want “those jobs”.

Sherri Shepherd said it on the The View (that no one would want those jobs) but, interestingly, that portion has been deleted from the video.


(Did the Danish King wear the Star, as Joy said? Nope.)

First of all, who are these people that think they are too good to work in the construction, hotel, restaurant and farming industries? Second of all, as I’ve said many times before, if we have 12 million jobs that could employee out of work legal American citizens, but no one wants them, then why the hell are we paying unemployment and welfare?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those industries. Most likely Sherri was referring to back breaking farm work when she made that comment. So, my question for her, and others who think like her, why do you believe Americans would not want or do the jobs that illegal immigrants do?

I imagine the reply would be something along the lines of “the jobs are demeaning and difficult and the pay is too low”.

So…does that mean they aren’t bothered that Mexicans are working for slave wages, doing horrible jobs that no *self respecting American* would touch? I would think people would have a problem with this. Apparently, as long as they are reaping the benefits, they don’t mind *other people* working for slave wages, in crap jobs?

Opponents to the bill are charging supporters of the bill with racism. To me, it seems like the people who are in support of allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the country and work for slave wages, in horrid conditions that none of them would accept, are perhaps the racists. After all, they need *someone* to pick their fruit, change their beds, wash their dishes, and build their homes…and they certainly aren’t going to do it. Especially at those wages!! Let the Mexicans do it!

Doesn’t that come across as a little elitist and perhaps racist, to you?

One could argue that immigrants come to America willingly, and out of necessity, take those jobs. But don’t opponents of this bill have a problem with corporations utilizing illegal labor and paying them well below minimum wage? (I’m assuming they are paid below minimum wage, otherwise, why wouldn’t unemployed Americans want those jobs?) And if these jobs were not going to undocumented workers, they would be at least minimum wage.

I had an online discussion with an owner of a construction company once, and he was telling me that he would love to employee Americans, but the only people who ever show up to his help wanted ads are illegal workers. He said he pays about $12 – $15 an hour. They work hard, never complain, and are always on time. This conversation was a few years ago, so I imagine times have changed. If not, again I ask, why the hell are we paying welfare and unemployment?

I can’t fault someone for coming to America, wanting to earn a better wage, and provide for their families. I believe there are honest people who just want a slice of the American pie. The problems are the criminals, the drugs, the burden on tax payers, schools, health care industry, the companies that employ them, the fact that it is illegal, and the mess America is now in, because they avoided this problem for far too long.

Whether their intentions are good, or bad, the reality is, it is against the law. And if states like Arizona are burdened with violent crime, and dangerous borders, they should have a right to do something about it, if the Federal Government won’t.

You have to love the brain power at MSNBC: “Law Makes it a Crime to be Illegal Immigrant.”


Uh….it is illegal, hence the name *illegal immigrant*. Newsbusters covered this here.

People are so concerned about racial profiling. How many civil liberties have we given up at the airport because the airlines refuse to profile? Instead of profiling, anyone who wants to fly is forced to almost fully undress, are subjected to body searches, revealing x-ray machines that show jiggly bits, harassment (video of 90 year old woman in wheel chair and her daughter detained at airport), etc. In order to not offend anyone, we are all punished….

And just for fun, here’s a look at the media coverage in comparison to the tea party coverage.

What are your thoughts on the whole mess?

If you ask me, I’d say the people invoking Hitler, calling this a police state, and comparing this to Nazi Germany, are guilty of stoking anger and fear and creating further racial divide. They are creating a violent atmosphere and someone is going to get hurt or killed. (gee, where have I heard this before? Weren’t these very same people just saying the same things about tea partiers last week? Now they are doing the very thing they (falsely) accused tea partiers of doing? Where’s the media to report on this? Oh right, they’re the ones doing it.)

(Sorry if this is kind of disjointed…I was just thinking out loud. Scary, I know.)

  • Joe

    Nothing but an echo chamber here.  Do any of you ever seek a dissenting opinion or are you jsut here to circle jerk eachother and make your feel better about your opinions?

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  • sarah tufts

    I’m a fifteen year old Arizona citizen, i am not racist, i do not “racial profile”, and i don’t condone it but something needs to change here we are in a recession and recently I.C.E cracked down on a major corporation i cant remember the name but they deported 300 Illegal workers THREE HUNDRED!! I see family members and friends with children with out jobs and about to be homeless and they take our jobs we have our tax payers dollars being spent on medical care for those law breakers and we have to pay for their children to go to school here. I don’t have a problem with Hispanics but i do have a problem with people who break the law..

    What about that poor man who was killed on his ranch just for reporting something…. What about the human trafficking…… What about the drug smuggling… Oh yes thats right no body cares about that stuff, it disappoints me to see people pull the race card every time they don’t agree with the topic. Also, seriously is it really necessary to paint Nazi symbols on our state capital. I’ve lived here all my life, my family was in a car accident 5 years ago, we were hit by an Illegal she didn’t speak a lick of English, had no insurance, and got off Scott free. In the mean time my mother was almost cripple and been through 5 surgeries in the past year and she still has 4 more to go.

    So when every one says this bill isn’t fair try to take to heart everything i just said.

  • normas

    We provide every immigrant with a brochure which details their rights and responsibilities while in this country. 

    I don’t understand what the difficulty is in understanding that Arizona is no longer willing to be abused by the far left.

  • oowawa

    sara posted earlier: “it sounds like the same person who is obsessed with me living in Italy.” 
     
    Yep–Wow is wise to you, Sara.  First thing that happens when American Girls get to Italy, they start picking up the pasta and forget to do their homework.  Shame shame shame.

  • oowawa

    sara posted earlier: “it sounds like the same person who is obsessed with me living in Italy.”

    Yep–Wow is wise to you, Sara.  First thing that happens when American Girls get to Italy, they start picking up the pasta and forget to do their homework.  Shame shame shame.

  • Wow, just wow

    AGII: Your premise is completely wrong.  Put down the pasta in Italy and read Arizona’s law.  Who carries their birth certificate on their person?  I’ve never been required to do so. And while the police are profiling brown people what about the illegal Eastern European and other immigrants, or when — God forbid – the police need to enforce the law against drug dealers and murderers?  

  • tango

    Hmmm, now that you bring it up, I don’t see any Governors, Senators, Congresspeople, Mayors, citizens, etc, publicly extending invitations to illegal aliens to move to their state to escape the persecution of Arizona authorities.  I wonder why they’re not willing to use their states finances to help these poor people fleeing from opression? I see where some illegal aliens in Arizona are saying they’re going to move out of state. I’m sure Washington or Michigan or Illinois would love to take a few hundred thousand each.

    Yah right. They all scream how this law is unfair, but I don’t see any extending the welcome mat and offering to help Arizona out by taking some of their illegal aliens.

  • teakWoodKite

    Jackie, WHY? Really? It is “actually” the case. That just shows you have not read the law the gov signed.

    Geez.

  • sarainitaly

    Thanks all, for a great discussion. This is another video I came across this morning about the topic. 

    http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/4170463/public-opinion-about-immigration/?playlist_id=87651

    Discusses the crime rate in Arizona, and the new law, and more. 

  • sarainitaly

    AZ – “where did you get your ice cream talking point?”

    now i remember…from obama! hahah Are you a paid obama parrot now?

    http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/4170463/public-opinion-about-immigration/?playlist_id=87651

    This is a good video debate on the issue. 

  • creeper

    It’s easy to see why the left is pissed.  They were counting on a huge influx of voters to offset those people who have finally overcome their hopium addictions.

  • elizabethrc

    During the campaign I had a few email exchanges with Cafferty.  He was thinskinned about criticism of his attacks on Hillary and was quite offensive in his responses.

    I’m sure he remembers none of his over the top support of Obama during that time and I just love it that he’s seeing Obama for what he is, finally.  Too little, too late.  Cafferty is a self important jerk.

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  • sarainitaly

    The heart of the law is this provision: “For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person…”
    Critics have focused on the term “reasonable suspicion” to suggest that the law would give police the power to pick anyone out of a crowd for any reason and force them to prove they are in the U.S. legally. Some foresee mass civil rights violations targeting Hispanics.
    What fewer people have noticed is the phrase “lawful contact,” which defines what must be going on before police even think about checking immigration status. “That means the officer is already engaged in some detention of an individual because he’s violated some other law,” says Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri Kansas City Law School professor who helped draft the measure. “The most likely context where this law would come into play is a traffic stop.”

    The law clearly says that if someone produces a valid Arizona driver’s license, or other state-issued identification, they are presumed to be here legally. There’s no reasonable suspicion.
    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html#ixzz0mU1eGSJz

  • sarainitaly

    hmmm – where is the post that I was laughing at?