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In Growing Numbers, We Feel Alienated from Our Own Government – Peggy Noonan and Jane Hamsher Explain …

If anyone wonders why 24% of the population identify with the Tea Party movement, or what prompted Jane Hampsher of FireDogLake to note that Progressivism Is Dead, while expressing fury at being sold out to corporate oligarchs and government elite, look no further than Peggy Noonan’s WSJ piece, The Big Alienation, which aptly describes the growing sense of disenfranchisement felt by most conservatives, some progressives and many in between. It is as a good a definition as I’ve seen and Party identification seems to have little to do with it:

We are at a remarkable moment. We have an open, 2,000-mile border to our south, and the entity with the power to enforce the law and impose safety and order will not do it. Wall Street collapsed, taking Main Street’s money with it, and the government can’t really figure out what to do about it because the government itself was deeply implicated in the crash, and both political parties are full of people whose political careers have been made possible by Wall Street contributions. Meanwhile we pass huge laws, bills so comprehensive, omnibus and transformative that no one knows what’s in them and no one—literally, no one—knows how exactly they will be executed or interpreted. Citizens search for new laws online, pore over them at night, and come away knowing no more than they did before they typed “dot-gov.”

It is not that no one’s in control. Washington is full of people who insist they’re in control and who go to great lengths to display their power. It’s that no one takes responsibility and authority. Washington daily delivers to the people two stark and utterly conflicting messages: “We control everything” and “You’re on your own.”

All this contributes to a deep and growing alienation between the people of America and the government of America in Washington.

None of this happened overnight. It is, most recently, the result of two wars that were supposed to be cakewalks, Katrina, the crash, and the phenomenon of a federal government that seemed less and less competent attempting to do more and more by passing bigger and bigger laws.

Add to this states on the verge of bankruptcy, the looming debt crisis of the federal government, and the likelihood of ever-rising taxes. Shake it all together, and you have the makings of the big alienation. Alienation is often followed by full-blown antagonism, and antagonism by breakage.

Ms. Noonan also states:

The right never trusted the government, but now the middle doesn’t.

If Jane Hamsher is to be believed, many on the left aren’t thrilled either.

Of course, the White House is going to go after Social Security again. It’s the pot of gold at the end of Wall Street’s rainbow, and they desperately want that injection of cash which could keep their giant ponzi scheme from exploding. . . for a little while.

Lucky for them, Obama has successfully dismantled the opposition that kept George Bush from privatizing Social Security at Wall Street’s behest only a few years ago. Did anybody fail to get that message when majority whip Dick Durbin yesterday told “bleeding heart liberals” that they need to be willing to accept cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits for the economic well-being of the nation?

…Just as the choice groups sat on their hands for the Nelson amendment in the health care bill, just like the Sierra Club remains mute in the wake of an oil spill the size of Delaware, there will be nothing more than progressive window-dressing in opposition to cutting Social Security benefits this time around. Any of these groups utter so much as a whimper in response to Durbin’s very alarming statement yesterday? Nada. Zip. Zero.

The idea that the right is more “authoritarian” and top-down than the left is absurd.

Good point, Ms. Hamsher – I don’t much trust what’s coming out of either side.

Ms. Noonan then discusses the much criticized law that Arizona’s passed out of frustration to control its borders:

It is doing this because the federal government won’t, and because Arizonans have a crisis on their hands, areas on the border where criminal behavior flourishes, where there have been kidnappings, murders and gang violence. If the law is abusive, it will be determined quickly enough, in the courts…

But the larger point is that Arizona is moving forward because the government in Washington has completely abdicated its responsibility. For 10 years—at least—through two administrations, Washington deliberately did nothing to ease the crisis on the borders because politicians calculated that an air of mounting crisis would spur mounting support for what Washington thought was appropriate reform—i.e., reform that would help the Democratic and Republican parties.

[snip]

The American president has the power to control America’s borders if he wants to, but George W. Bush and Barack Obama did not and do not want to, and for the same reason, and we all know what it is. The fastest-growing demographic in America is the Hispanic vote, and if either party cracks down on illegal immigration, it risks losing that vote for generations.

But while the Democrats worry about the prospects of the Democrats and the Republicans about the well-being of the Republicans, who worries about America?

No one. Which the American people have noticed, and which adds to the dangerous alienation—actually it’s at the heart of the alienation—of the age.

Both Hamsher and Noonan make clear that we don’t have much by way of allies in the persons of our government officials. It is apparent to anyone half awake that Democrats and Republicans, for the most part, capture an issue in furtherance of their careers and little else. There is a line in the movie “Syriana” –

“We want to give the appearance of doing our due diligence. But we don’t want to do our due diligence.”

Noonan uses the issue of government’s failure to secure the border to the same effect in her piece as Hamsher uses “the giant flaming ball of oil being pushed straight for the coasts of Alabama and Mississippi” that “[m]ight be the worst environmental event in decades” in hers – as examples of government ineffectiveness due as the result of succumbing to interest groups rather than doing what is best for the American people.

For those of us at NoQuarter long shouting in frustration for better leadership than what was being foisted upon us all, it is ironic that Noonan may be the first major pundit to make the following observation:

I asked a campaigner for Hillary Clinton recently where her sturdy, pantsuited supporters had gone. They didn’t seem part of the Obama brigades. “Some of them are at the tea party,” she said.

Though I don’t care for her “sturdy, pantsuit” snark –she notes correctly that we feel we have no place in this new world order of the Democratic party. Perrylogan, one of the commenters to Hamsher’s piece, makes clear why:

The progressive movement died during the primaries, when Obama’s supporters started calling their fellow Democrats racists.

Amen.

In the universe of President Obama, the second “Great Uniter” in a row (George Bush II being the first), we are now more divided against ourselves than ever. It also looks as though many are feeling divided from the very people we have elected to protect our best interests.

Much of this is the result of the politics of demagoguery – served up to control the populace rather than to assist it, to divide us from each other, so we never take the time to notice we have far more in common than we realize.

All this jumble is to say that when two ladies from opposite sides of the aisle express this much anger and frustration, it is time for our politicians to wake up – lest we do figure out how to unite peacefully. Then those elitists Jane, Peggy and we all rage against might be ridden out of town on a rail.

  • lorac

    Great essay, Ani.

  • Rosa

    Finally!!!  wonder if Rachel will invite Jane to give her point of veiw!          soooooooooo, she was aware of the racist issue but only says it now?
       Although, it is great these two opposites come to these conclusions , its just too bad that it is too late, at least until the next election.

  • Acaha

    These ladies are both far too smart to have bough into the koolaid in 2008, yet they did.

  • Olivia1998

    Fantastic post.  Ani you hit on the problem’s of the day.  I do seem to remember Peggy Noonan leaning towards the “O” before his historic election.  I guess she changed her mind.

  • carol haka

    Good Riddance to all of them.  November cannot get her fast enough.

    As you say 2 ladies from the opposite sides of the aisle have come to the same conclusion.  That is why I say:

    Hillary/Sarah 2012 :-D     is the perfect ticket.

    Thanks Ani.. This is an excellent analysis.

    >:o

  • jbjd

    Why has it taken 2 (two) years for people to concede, BO is not the President they would have him be?  Having mastered electoral politics to achieve office through election fraud, what incentive exists that would change his stripes now?

    On April 11, I posted the following comment on FDL.

    “bmaz, this brilliant article encompasses too many of the faults and foibles endemic to the Obama Administration to list here. In sum, though, these failures point to a contempt for law and a contemporaneously complicit press.

    I can only pray that, at some point, soon, given this evidence of Mr. Obama’s malfeasance in office coupled with media acquiescence; even the most progressive of Progressives will entertain this thought. Could these same factors perhaps also explain how he reached the Oval Office in the first place? OPEN LETTER to GREG ABBOTT, ATTORNEY GENERAL of TEXAS

    Then yesterday, I posted this on Jane’s article conceding the demise of Progressivism.

    “I have done two things specifically in an effort to try to recruit opposing views to a joint endeavor. 1. I pointed out to the ‘left’ that, questioning the conduct of a particular candidate or official regardless of that person’s affiliation was a hallmark of the late great Professor Howard Zinn, who called me his “star pupil.” http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/guess-whom-howard-zinn-called-his-star-pupil-jbjd/ Then, I asked for their help in sorting out this ballot eligibility dilemma.  2. I pointed out to the ‘right’ that, the R’s are as complicit with enabling the election fraud that placed the name of Barack Obama on the ballot in applicable states; as were the D’s for foisting him on us in the first place. http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/idioms/ Then, I challenged them to confront the R’s about their failure to help sort out this ballot eligibility dilemma.

    ***************************************************
    Both Peggy and Jane would do better to ‘fix’ what each only laments is broken; by asking Nancy Pelosi or Boyd Richie or Alice Germond or Kathy Hensley on what documentary basis they were able to Certify to election officials in SC and TX that Barack Obama was Constitutionally qualified for the office of POTUS in order to get those election officials to print his name on the SC and TX  ballots.

  • Armymom

    Well I can guarantee that there would be none in my family who would vote for Hillary again. I tried to give her a chance in this administration, but quite frankly, I’m tired of her and Bill’s BS rhetoric sticking up for the one. If she really really was opened and honest, she would be rid of this administration and letting the American people know what is going on in a heartbeat. IMO, she is just looking out for herself.

  • lorac

    Carol, they believe in different things / different means to ends.  Why do you think they would want to run together…..?

    But besides that, if we can’t even get one woman elected pres or VP, the first time it happens wouldn’t be with TWO women on a ticket…

  • Olivia1998

    As much as it hurts I have to agree Armymom.  If she stands up in the next few months and says “The destruction of this great country has to stop”  I think she could save herself.  Bill on the other hand is another subject.  Every time they meet ( Bill & O) for lunch Obama changes his mood and goes up in the polls or he did.

  • HARP

    I guess Peggy just found out Michelle is not really a Hottie.

  • oowawa

    I always thought that lorac was a mirror image of carol, and this proves it!  I think that maybe when the sun goes down there is a sinister and supernatural transformation . . .

  • Obamastolemyparty,myboyfriend,mycountryandmyhealthcare

    Yes, I have lost my desire for a POTUS Hillary.  She stays quiet and allows the country I truly thought she loved to be destroyed by That one and then Bill, when he should just be quiet, instead chooses to be devisive with his tea party/Timothy McVeigh statements.  I am horribly disappointed they do not love this country as much as I thought they did.  I chose country over party.  They chose to cover their political a$$es!

    I am a strong independent woman and will not be silenced.  EVER.  Hillary allowed herself to be silenced over this “historic” POS bs!

  • oowawa

    Do you suppose he’s subtly giving his wife the inconspicuous middle-finger cheek-rub maneuver?  What’s in the thought bubble over his head . . .

  • Rosa

    just not sarah

  • sowsear
  • oowawa

    “Shake it all together, and you have the makings of the big alienation.”

    She forgot the oil!  You’ve got to add in a 5,000 barrel a day oil spill to really make a first rate “big alienation!”

  • imustprotest

    Obama may have stole our party, your boyfriend, our country and our healthcare…..but that’s nothing compared to what Hillary went through.  Who are you to say she chose party over country?  And who the HELL are you to say she doesn’t love this country???  Hillary Clinton is a brilliant woman, the most brilliant candidate to run for president in my lifetime (and that includes Bill)…she is, as I think Larry Johnson even said, “scary smart”.  So what make you think you know better than Hillary Clinton?  Or that YOU could second guess what she is doing??  Gimme a break and go soak your head.

  • getfitnow

    Typical… That One doesn’t decide to do anything until he can use the word “unprecedented” … because that’s how he rolls.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/02/administration-defends-response-growing-gulf-oil-spill/
    President visits Louisiana, calls oil spill ‘massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster’
    =-O

  • oowawa

    “Unnprecedented”–would that make it “historic”?  Seems like it’s just one historic thing after another nowadays!

  • AbigailAdams

    Peggy Noonan can please find a job doing something else.  This is the same Noonan who tepidly attempted to go neutral on sexism after she joined the chorus during the primaries.  She had the mic and the ability to stand up….and she didn’t.  She doens’t deserve a column inch or a nano second of air time.  She and all the rest of them are bringing up the rear on a movement that has reached velocity.  Good luck to her!

  • Becky

    I’ve always believed that Hillary took the job so that she would be on the inside, getting those national security briefings, and looking out for all of us.  Who else is there?  She is Sec of State because she doesn’t trust Obama.   She and Bill are doing what they can for our country.  I will continue to back them up until the day I believe they actually really do have any respect for Obama.  That day hasn’t yet arrived. 

  • carol haka

    You bought are correct.

    She needs to alienate herself from these losers.

    >:o

  • Diana L. C.

    The people who still consider themselves progressives all live in a little fantasy worlds inside their heads.  Most are too young to really have life experience, or they’ve been too isolated in their liberal la la enclaves or in the ivory towers of academia to understand human nature and the way things really work in the real world.  BUT….they’ve always been so sure of the absolute RIGHTNESS of their beliefs based on theory that they just can’t see truth when it’s right in front of them.

    As I said, I’ve given notice to my current elected officials that I never want to hear their “reasons” for the decisions they make.  All I want to hear is that they’ve seen the polls, listened to what the majority wants and then voted the way the majority wants.  If they go against the majority as they did for the stupid HC bill, I will NOT vote for them no matter how much I like a separate vote they make on a smaller issue.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Outstanding post, Ani.  Exellent combination of these two articles.

    And I wonder if Jane is correct in her assessment.  I just saw comments from two friends at Facebook, both basically blaiming the oil spill, which is TERRIBLE, on Sarah and the Tea Partiers.  WOW.  Of course, Obama didn’t just recently say he supported offshore drilling, right??  Yeah.  Uh huh.

    Oh, and one of them, who should most definitely know better, used the homophobic term for Tea Partiers, and blamed them/Sarah for providing cover to corporations.  Say HUH??  Good grief…

  • HARP

    Why would she think that???

  • lauraks

    We  hold women to a much higher standard as women. I remember the Joni Mitchell  phrase” a thundercloud of judgment” and it about sums it up.I doubt our secretary of state has much of a stomach for another run at the presidency so posters needn’t worry.   I admire her because she remains in the game doing what she can.

    As for all the surprise about how things now  I am wondering why that is. The signs were everywhere.

  • sowsear

    Find links to additional funnies in the comments…some really good

  • Ani

    Yes, she mooned over Obama with the rest of the pundit class.  She awakened from her stupor sometime last year and has been growing ever more critical of this circus.

  • sowsear

    For anyone who was awake

  • Ani

    I agree, Becky.  Furthermore, she is doing so much for advance the agenda of women and girls worldwide.  She would not have the same platform as a private citizen to push governments to do this.  I don’t agree with her on everything, but then, I never did.  I just thought she was the best candidate out there which is why I worked so hard for her.

    She is the adult in the room and if not for her and Gates partnering together, our foreign policy would be a far worse mess than it is.  It is tough to see the incremental change day to day.  More will be revealed over time.  I am still grateful that she took the job because I cannot imagine who the hell else they would have picked to have emerge from the clown car to do it otherwise.

  • Peggy Sue

    Finally, is right!  So, okay, I’m not a huge fan of Peggy Noonan [who btw did her own amount of swooning over The Great Uniter, maybe because he mentioned Reagan], but finally she and Hamsher cross the great divide and actually say it: Goodbye Old Boss, Hello New Boss and look Mommy:

    The Emperor is truly naked.

    Why has it taken this long?  Well maybe because the Boy’s Club is still writing leads like this at CNN:

    ‘President Obama said Sunday his administration has mounted a “relentless response” to the oil spill unleashed by the sinking of an offshore drill rig in the Gulf of Mexico.’

    without a peep, without a question.  Or continues to lambast citizens of Arizona for their mean, racist tempers when the proper response to the Feds’ failure is what:  Sit down and shut up?  The same reaction when citizens criticized the Katrina response or the endless self-serving, greased-palm decisions that the DC crowd has made over the last ten years.

    Don’t agree to handing billions of dollars to fraudulant banks.  Tough tooties; we’re in charge.  Don’t like a healthcare reform bill that caters to the big insurance companies and pharmaceuticals?  Too bad; we know best.  Cap&Trade, Immigration, Financial Reform???  The Merry-go-Round spins endlessly and it spins not for Thee, unless you’re a member of the ”Club.”

    Alienated a little?  Try a lot.  It was bad enough when these fools sold their own souls to the highest bidder.  But more and more Americans are waking up and know that their souls, their futures and those of future generations are on the block.

    The tipping point is coming.  It’s no longer a matter of if, only a matter of when. And no amount of warning people to keep their mouths shut or strutting through another round of kabuki theater is going to change that.

    I’m glad to see Noonan and Hamsher finally willing to print what so many people feel.  But my question:  Where the hell have you been?

    Great article, Ani.

  • Ani

    I beg to differ with you — Hillary loves this country with every fiber of her being which is why she chose to serve even though she clearly does not agree with some of the actions of this administration.  There is a great Esquire article coming out which discusses her influence.  She has been standing up for TRUE democratic ideals her entire life and has amassed an impressive record in many ways — I refuse to throw her under the bus.

    I always remind myself that there is so much going on behind the scenes that I am not privy to.  I will always prefer having someone like her on the scene than taking her marbles and going home.

  • Ani

    Thanks, Amy.

    I believe Bush relaxed safety regulations on this — Obama had 16 months to put them back in place — he came out to push for offshore drilling recently — are you telling me her couldn’t have made this a precondition of doing said drilling.

    Or is it going to be another, “Oops, I didn’t know” moment.

    I’m not going to put primary blame on anyone for this but the oil company that was too cheap to use the technology that other nations have used — what I do question is the slow response and effort to “know more” when the spill happened.

  • Ani

    Agree with you completely, Lauraks.

  • EllenD

    I will always vote for Hillary. I haven’t walked a mile in her shoes but she keeps on going no matter what. She’s still the best we have.

  • Armymom

    http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/video_shows_federal_officials.html

    Well it’s interesting that the feds knew more earlier than what they like for everyone to believe.

  • sowsear

    BO’s beautiful wife:

  • Kathleen Wynne

    I agree with you imustprotest.  Everyone seems to have forgotten what happened to Hillary when she did take on obama and the power elite who groomed, financed, marketed and then placed him into the WH!  They went after her with a vengence and would have destroyed her if she hadn’t agreed to support obama.

    Let’s not take our frustrations with obama out on Hillary and fall into the age old trap of “blaming the woman”.  We are dealing with a corrupt government at every branch – executive, judiciary and legislative.  If Hillary had not accepted obama’s request that she be his SOS, his Chicago thugs would have leaked her not accepting and would have dragged her through the mud branding her a sore loser and a racist.  I have no doubt obama knew it would be to his political advantage to offer it to Hillary, because whether she accepted or not, either way, he comes out looking good and she would have been politically destroyed, if she had refused. 

    So, let’s put the blame where it belongs.  The DNC party leaders, the MSM, the power elite pulling the strings behind the scenes, Wall Street, the lobbyist, corporations, banks and housing industry, which are all clearly intent on destroying this country.  Surely after what we witnessed during the primary, and then what they are still doing to Sarah Palin today, no one is naive enough to believe that Hillary should take this beast on?  Not BEFORE a critical mass of millions of Americans are willing to stand united and stand with her against this beast that has the power to destroy her, if she doesn’t have solid support from the people. 

    Machivillian taught those who wish to remain in power that in order to use it effectively and not be destroyed in the process that one must ”keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.”  Hillary is smart to be on the inside right now.  Moreover, as SOS, she is expected to support the president.  Everyone was all for it when she accepted the position, now that the real obama is being exposed, you go after Hillary!  Why should she put herself on the line when people are so quick to desert her?  

    I still trust Hillary and believe she knows exactly what she’s doing.  Furthermore, I believe that it was because of her ability to know how the play the political game better than the boyz is precisely why the power elite did not want her to get the democratic nomination.  They knew obama didn’t jack about the system and would be at their mercy to do exactly as he was told. 

    I’m sticking with Hillary.

  • Docelder

    Bush… OMG, we are seriously screwed as a nation and all hope really is lost. I give up caring anymore.

  • Ani

    “Let’s not take our frustrations with obama out on Hillary and fall into the age old trap of “blaming the woman”. ”

    Brilliant, Kathleen.  Amazing post.  I will not desert her either.

  • sowsear

    Barry Pharaoh floating down the Nile… er Mississippi

  • Rosa

    that pretty much says it `………thank you

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Thanks, Ani.  Excellent post, as always.  This is one of those times I feel no glee in saying “I told you so.”  The awful consequences of the obama administration will affect us all.  If ever there was a time for us to unite as Americans, since 1776, that time is NOW.

  • Anthony

    In a way, both of these women finally openly ‘out’ what’s been going on under the surface for more than a little while.

    While I don’t subscribe to the belief that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, its become increasingly evident that the only extreme elements of either party are still willing to wield their respective swords.  The rest of us can see through the BS and make our own quiet decisions. (see Virginia, New Jersey, and upstate New York, where all three of the candidates that were being forced upon the voters were rejected).

    I thought for sure after Saint Edward of Chappaquiddick’s seat was won by Satan (if you listen to the hardcore Dems), those in power would wise up and get a clue, but no dice.  

    Having these ladies speak openly and frankly is proof that regardless of the shenanigans of the MSM and Washington, this common sense movement has come to life.  And what’s even better is that there is no one designated leader or spokesperson.  It is a collective “We the people” who have banded together in our solitary resolve that are going to bring it home.  Can’t wait til November.

  • WestVirginia304

    Since Obombies (Obama Zombies) never wake up – They are dead, you know.  They were transported to the land where the KookAide Picher high upon the top shelf dispenses orders to eat those who drink not the sweet colored water. – it is obvious that these two writers’ bodies have been snatched, and I betcha that Sara planted the pods that infected these beings.

    I don’t believe any of these writers, Ani.  I think they all just test the waters to see what sells print and keeps their bosses happy.  I see former bot writers challenge eno eht one day and the next day their publication runs a story in that writer’s spot that is nothing more than a word-for-word reprint of a WH press release.

    The news business, for little ole me, is today very confusing.

    “..brains..brains..brains..”

  • WestVirginia304

    forgot the h.  Sorry Sarah.  Why is there an H at the end of a word/name that does not need an h?  Oh, well..

  • lorac

    She will, Carol.  Stay strong.

  • geoff C..

    “The fastest-growing demographic in America is the Hispanic vote, and if either party cracks down on illegal immigration, it risks losing that vote for generations”.    If the Illegal Hispanic’s were not here they would not be the fastest growing voting block.   Johnson said the south is lost for a generation and look what that got us. I still say that timing in politics is everything, Hillary will know when to jump ship, if not then she is no better then the rest of them and she will lose my vote. Until then I still have faith in her. She is the only one in Sham Bams adm. that I trust.

  • lorac

    Well said, K W.  Well said.

  • oowawa

    It’s the Bible’s fault!

  • geoff C..

    Snam Bam needs to wear mittens with strings attached to his coat to keep that midddle finger under control.

  • carol haka

    I don’t get your comment?

  • WestVirginia304

    You are right geoff.  I am getting tired of his flip-you attitude toward anyone who is not getting drunk and playing b-ball with him.

  • carol haka

    I don’t know that we have jurisdiction over this well.  Does someone know?

    *DONT_KNOW*

  • sowsear

    He already has strings attached (Mortimer Snerd?)

  • carol haka

    It’s Bush’s fault!

    :-D

  • sowsear

    Someone shoud let out that string on his nose though….

  • carol haka

    And, Hillary was not asked on Meet the Press if she was leaving.

    Don’t they usually like to ask those kinds of questions so that they can deny it?

    :)

  • carol haka

    “both”

  • WestVirginia304

    Oh.  But he is better than us.  He cannot look us eye to eye.  He must have his his nose/head raised and stare down to us through his slitted eyes to command love.  “All hail or I will send hail upon you in the form of Brown Shirts bearing the SEIU logo.”  So it is said.. So let it be written.

  • carol haka

    Drudge is still reporting that The National Enquirer is reporting “Obama is a cheater”.

    3 days and holding.  Wouldn’t you think the media would report this?  Or, that the WH would have squashed this report so far?

    I dub it TRUE!

    :-D

  • Diana

    Me too KW.. I’m sticking with Hillary. She’s dong amazing work for women and girls and in the most toxic environment we could imagine. Question her patriotism or innate class? Oh really? To those people I say pffft.., you best be very glad we’ve got her!

  • WestVirginia304

    Michelle.  Pig Ugly.  Hooked up with her to meet Jarrett, Ayers, etc.  Not love.  To have an affair you have to be married.  Obama is not.  He has deals.  Michelle is just his pass card, so it is not cheating.  I wondered if he had to close his eyes to do the thing that made their kids but, then again, he looks like erkle, ugly gets ugly.

  • Diana

    Agreed AA… Very unimpressed with Noonan… But snce the media seems composed of some of the dirt dumbest and most gullible people in the world, a sign that they’re all slowly massing towards criticizing our head puke is something… Stupidly annoyingly witlessly several years too late… But something.

  • AbigailAdams

    Diana,  I understand what you’re saying.  I think many of us whom her statements address quit listening to her and her cohort well over a year ago, though.  I think the terms laid down were,  ”lead, follow or get the heck out of the way!”  We should sideline Noonan and the rest and hold out for some actual journalists who make a sincere effort at journalistic integrity.  Not only should we oust the pols who have brought this country to its knees, but the morons in the media who are complicit.  Even though I know exactly what you mean, We should no longer settle for “But something.”   

  • Cindy

    West Va.—–I’d say Michelle is ugly on the inside, where it counts.
    And you are expressing exactly what I’ve always thought: he needed her to further his career…….She was his boss at the law firm at first, right?
    The fact that she fell for his manipulation tells me alot about her….she’s not very bright!

  • Cindy

    Ani–This is such a good post. Thank you!

  • Anthony

    Manzilla worked for Jarrett at Daley’s office. She wouldn’t marry Bambi until Jarrett approved.  Unfortunately, that link has been scrubbed, but we still have this one that says:

    “One thing is beyond question: Jarrett’s unprecedented sway over the president. An Obama 2008 campaign official told the New York Times, “If you want him to do something, there are two people he’s not going to say no to: Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Obama.”


    Susan Sher, who helped Jarrett recruit Michelle Obama to the Chicago mayor’s office before Michelle married the president, said, “I don’t think either of them [the Obamas] made major decisions without talking to her,” adding that Jarrett failed to appreciate “how incredibly instrumental she’ll be in virtually everything” in the White House.”

    Bitch

  • FranSC

    Olivia, Noonan surely did lean toward B0.  I was never really convinced she thought highly of him but like so many republicans, she apparently was four-square opposed to Hillary’s candidacy as well as McCain-Palin.  Since the pundits were expected to take sides, she seemed to talk up 0.  Knowing she was a Reagan admirer, (to say the least),  I could never make sense of that kind of talk from her. 

  • jwrjr

    Just because The Won has told everybody who is not a loyal Kool-Ade drinker to go Cheney themselves is no reason to feel alienated. (/sarc)

  • Ani

    Many times these pundits are just attempting to stay ahead of the curve — it’s just business, as they attempt to stay relevant by have their finger of the pulse of where the American people are at.  They sure blew it this time.

  • Patti

    I’m with Kathleen Wynne and imustprotest. Hillary is our Sec of State. What would you have her do, declare mutiny on the President? Her career and ability to serve us would be over. Those of you that spit on Hillary now are no better than traitors to women. She is doing so much for women around the world. We need her. Please open up your minds and think about it.

  • Justine

    I looked for more with Hillary.  When Iran got on the committee for women for the UN (whatever it’s called…), and Hillary said not a word, I lost respect for Hillary.  Knowing where Iran stands on women’s rights makes me angry at Hillary for remaining silent and allowing this to occur.  (I realize someone else is the US person at the UN, but over this travesty, Hillary should have said SOMEthing!!.)
    .

  • kgirl1028

    I think the treatment of sarah palin during the general election needs to be added to calling clinton supporters racist. You can disagree with a person views without completely degrading them like the left has done and continue to Sarah Palin and her family.  I not sure if I will ever vote for sarah Palin, i have the same complaints about her greeness than I do Obama’s. But i absoluely refuse to have anything to do with a group of people who could treat someone that way democrats have, and  when you watch the way they drag along african americans, and the gay and lesbian communitywith false promises of of loyalty you really have to wonder about the character of these people. WHat you see is agroup of people who secure power for themselves, by pretending to care about  and at the expense of  people whom they really don’t and feel are inferior. It’s sad when a party of the PEOPLE like the democrats were most of the last centry turn into a legue of Elitist Self entitled Snots who throw  crumbs to minority groups to make themselves feel superior and keep us in line.  i hate to say it but the dems lsot their minds and have gone fascist. And they need to check themselves.    

  • creeper

    That pretty much covers it, kgirl1028. 

    Don’t believe I’ve seen you before.  Welcome to NQ.

  • creeper

    Jane and Peggy can go to hell.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Typical… That One doesn’t decide to do anything until he can use the word “unprecedented” … because that’s how he rolls. 
    ==========================
    Yeah “unprecedented” or, even better, “notion”. The use of the word “notion” is just another example of That One’s proclivity for stilted langauge. He thinks it sounds good but it makes him look like he’s been reading the dictionary again while ignoring essential context. Oh, and will he ever shut up?

  • helenk

    an article at Truthdig by Chris Hedges entitled No One Cares has a interesting take on why people are fed up with this government. There is NO party  in this country that is not owned and operated by corporations instead of the people.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUILISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • arabella trefoil

    I continue to support Hillary. She is serving her country (the country she truly loves) in the best way she can right now. As for the Bill and Hillary? Who knows what goes on in a marriage? I’ve been married 28 years, and time changes a lot of things. 

    Let us compare two photographs.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Justine,

    Hillary is not our mother.  So, unlike our mothers, we have to be fair in our expectations of her and not expect her, like we do our mothers, to leap tall buildings with a single bound and walk on water as well.  We don’t expect as much from the men, but God forbid the woman doesn’t “fix things” immediately!

    Furthermore, it would be totally out of line for her to undermine Susan Rice’s silence at this time.  Rice does not like Hillary and if Hillary were to embarrass her, Rice would find a way to put any consequences that would arise from Hillary speaking out against Iran, squarely on her head.  Besides, it is not the SOS’s role to take on the our U.N. representative, at least not at this point and not in the way you suggest. 

    Nonetheless, I do believe Hillary will do something about Iran’s being on the Commission for Women’s Rights, but she will do so in a way that the obama administration and the media won’t put the blame solely on her, should Iran react with threats of aggression against Israel. 

    We all know that Hillary is known for speaking out on behalf of women when everyone else in power is silent.  So, at least give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.

  • arabella trefoil

    Don’t give up, Docelder.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The progressive movement died during the primaries, when Obama’s supporters started calling their fellow Democrats racists.
    ====================
    What a lot of hooey. HRC wasn’t a progressive and the progressive movement IS racist but falls under the radar because their plantation doesn’t include a field of cotton.

  • Linda C

    Helenk
    That about says it all.

  • Ferd Berfle

    They’ll be in their bailiwick, for sure.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I think Me-Chelle dislikes her “man” even more than we do, if that is possible.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Spot on, Anthony.

  • arabella trefoil

    “It’s the Bible’s fault!”

    The Obots are taking a leaf from the creationists’ bible. “Don’t trust your eyes, don’t trust the facts. Those dinosaur bones were put into the ground as a test of your faith. Carbon dating? That’s something else that you should ignore. It’s a test of your faith.”

    Obamabots/Liberals etc. – Don’t believe the polls. Don’t believe your own eyes. It’s a test of your faith, and your credentials for being an intellectual and part of the upper crust.

  • arabella trefoil

    It was definitely a deal. And Rahm’s marriage was too.

  • kenoshamarge

    So if I have the audacity to disagree about Hillary Clinton I am a traitor to women?

    My mind is open and I just don’t happen to agee.

    Maybe before you “smear” others with the label “traitor” you ought to try opening up your own mind!

  • tango

    Hmmm, what’s that saying?  You can put lipstick on a pig…..

  • Ferd Berfle

    Appropriate analogy, arabella.

  • tango

    Yah, I got one on my Barack BullCrap Bingo Card!

    http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/baracks-bullcrap-bingo/

  • Ferd Berfle

    I have your back, kenoshamarge. HRC was my first an only choice in 2008. Her subsequent support for That One and finally her remarks about the imminent AZ law, though, made me cringe. I can no longer support her until she leaves this administration and explains herself. One of the very reasons I criticize the dittoheads from both extremes of the political spectrum is because they will cling to their politician irrespective of what that politician does or does not do. I won’t. There is a time to take a firm stand and it happens to be now.

  • Docelder

    Jarrett is one of those “strings” by which the corporatists pull when they need the great one to speak or appear to act.

  • helenk

    At Alternet there is an article about the idea of states opening banks. Right now North Dakota is the only state that has a state run bank.
    Maybe it is just me, but after the Arizona bill and now the idea of state banks it seems as if Washington has failed so much that more and more states will be looking out for their own interests.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • tango

    You know what I think? I think it was a deal for Obama, not Michelle. I think she probably thought he loved her. And maybe he did in his own way. But he needed the bonafides that came from marrying an AA woman and needed the connections her father, friends and associates could give him in the local black community. And as time went on and she saw his ambition and realized she was a means to an end, possibly a beard to cover her husbands real desires and was expected to sit down and be quiet, I’m sure resentment and anger grew. And by then she has 2 kids, Obama was on the fast track and was probably told or threatened that life with Obama would be a hell of a lot better than life without him.  I can’t say I’d blame her for choosing to stay with Obama. Gosh knows what he has on HER and lets be real. The Axelrod group sure has ways of getting what they want and maybe Michelle knew if she left Obama, it’d be without her kids and that’s not a sacrifice she’s willing to make.  I think once she realized the power and perks she could have via her husband, she joined on board and started to enjoy it all. But after these few past years, I think the bloom has worn off the rose and she has realized (like most first ladies) that it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be. And how bitter would you be after all these years to realize you were used as a convenient prop?

  • guest

    The disdain on her face is remarkable.

  • Docelder

    Yep, that “look” on the picture on the right almost appears contemptuous. And maybe I am reading in, but it almost looks that way unanimously.

  • Docelder

    Yep Ferd, Hillary isn’t a progressive any more than Bush was a conservative. I have to censor myself here a lot, because my collective opinion of Hillary based on what has happened is very different from what many people here are clinging desperately to.

  • Sally

    Good call!

  • wbboei

    the growing sense of disenfranchisement felt by most conservatives, some progressives and many in between
    ————————————-
    ani, excellent analysis and synthesis of opinion and reaction across the political spectrum.  To the above statement I would add only this.

    First, I have done some pro bono legislative work for the small ranching community before Congress and have been told by more than one cattlemen that the night before the animals are slaughtered there is a restlessness and uneasiness that stirs through the herd.  And so it is here.  This situation is far more serious than most people realize and they should listen to their instincts.  Indeed, Michael Barone’s apt description of the Age of Obama–that the goal is to take from the politically unprotected (the middle class) and give to the politically connected is the temper of out time.  If the American People do not wake up they will not recognize this country in another 20 years.  Not for nothing did Obama enabler John Dingell say our goal is to put in place a set of laws which will enable us to “control” the people.

    Second, the following article by Mr. Justice Markman of the Michigan State Supreme Court which appeared in the latest edition of Imprimus. This article sets forth in haec verba the master plan of Obama to transform our society though the court system, substituting the system of representative government embedded in our Constitution with a new Constitution that sets up a bevy of Platonic Guradians in its stead and place. Here is the link: http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp The books written by Obama’s Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein who is married to Israel hater Sam Power are incontrovertible proof of their intent.

  • Sassy

    I agree wholeheartedly with Kenoshamarge and Ferd!
    I’m not a clone and I choose to think and act for myself, until demented or dead, whichever comes first!
    Hillary is an admirable woman and I do not regard her as my enemy, but we no longer share the same perspective on political issues!
    I won’t wear the “traitor” label, and that also goes for the “racist” label!

  • Kathleen Wynne

    keno,

    No, you’re not a traitor, but you are being unreasonable in your criticism of Hillary.  Why do you and others expect her to be responsible for everyone else’s shortcomings? 

    As I mentioned above, focus your anger and frustration at those responsible and hold them accountable for their own actions. 

    Hillary has been there for us more than any other public servant, which is why her approval ratings are the highest of any in the obama administration.

  • wbboei

    The PINOs should should wake up. There is an end game here for those who are wise enough to see it. It is the totalitarian mind at work, seeking to reshape our society by silencing all opposition. New lyrics but the same song. Watch:
    First they called us RACISTS, and I did not speak out—because I was not a racist;Then they called us a MOB, and I did not speak out—because I was not a mobster;Then they threatened a NEWS NETWORK who opposed them, and I did not speak out—because I was not a journalist;Then they LOOTED OUR WEALTH, and I did not speak out—because I wanted to believe they would take care of me;Then they UNDERMINED OUR CONSTITUTION, and I did not speak out- because he is a law professorThen they CAME FOR ME– even though I never opposed them—–BUT THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK FOR ME. . .

  • Ferd Berfle

    I understand, Docelder, from one Okie to another. Pity, actually.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I believe you to be true to your convictions, Ani, and I applaud you for it. I, however, cannot allow my respect for HRC to direct my standards. She made a mistake (and so did I by allowing myself to believe it would be OK) by working for the incredible shrinking man in the WH. I won’t make that mistake again.

  • Ladydawnelle

    thus proving the theory that they are “far too smart” is totally bogus!

    they are just average lemming 3rd rate msm window dressings that would rather drink the koolaid and dream (for party sake) then open their narrow minds to logic, reason and REALITY!!  (until it hits them sqare between the eyes)  by then they’ve already blindly propagandized us into extinction!  thanks alot ya dopes!

  • kenoshamarge

    I don’t expect her to be responsible for anyone’s actions but her own. Her actions to me are the actions of someone who is a good loyal Democrat. That’s not enough for me. If that’s being unreasonable, so be it. It happens to me MY opinion.

    I also base my opinion on the things she says and does. I was appalled at her stand on Zelaya and Honduras. Was that because she was following Obama’s orders or is that what she really thought? Either way I can not support someone who seems to think that the lawfully elected governments of other countries haven’t the right to decide things for themselves.

    Yesterday on meet the press  [blockquote]“Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday that she doesn’t “think there is any doubt” that Arizona’s immigration law would invite racial profiling.[/blockquote] That’s not someone I can or will support.

    I respect your right to continue to believe. I don’t. And I don’t think that my position is any more “unreasonable” than yours.

  • Ani

    However, I think the point that commenter was making was not about what Hillary stands for but what the Democratic Party was supposed to stand for and when they chose to demonize their fellow Dems for not falling in line for The One, that what the death knell.  One could argue they had lost their way before then, but that was the final straw.  That is not to say that Hillary always represented everyone’s progressive ideals.  One can feel any way they want to about that, obviously.

    But Dems calling other Dems racists — I think that commenter was actually saying the party died then (along with any hope for true progressive ideals).  Just my .02.

  • Ani

    However, I think the point that commenter was making was not about what Hillary stands for but what the Democratic Party was supposed to stand for and when they chose to demonize their fellow Dems for not falling in line for The One, that was the death knell.  One could argue they had lost their way before then, but that was the final straw.  That is not to say that Hillary always represented everyone’s progressive ideals.  One can feel any way they want to about that, obviously.  
     
    But Dems calling other Dems racists — I think that commenter was actually saying the party died then (along with any hope for true progressive ideals).  Just my .02.

  • starburst

    Yes, but part of the reason, I suspect, that she leaned toward Obama during the primaries is because he was running against Hillary — a woman Noonan has despised for decades.

  • Obamastolemyhealthcare

    All you need to know is Noonan is one of those women who could never stand it if a woman looked smarter then her and that is why she would support neither Clinton nor Palin!

  • Obamastolemyhealthcare

    Sarah took many risks during the election and does every single day to get people out there.  What the hell is either Clinton doing?  They fell in line.  No guts, no glory.

  • Ferd Berfle

    However, I think the point that commenter was making was not about what Hillary stands for but what the Democratic Party was supposed to stand for
    ===============
    Ani, that is an excuse the obamabots would use. I know you support her but HRC made a conscious decision and a lot of us don’t agree with it. She has sided with That One. That is the crux of the matter and nothing else.

  • Jackie

    What policy goals do Peggy Noonan and Jane Hamsher have in common?  Zero.  Wishing for Obama’s demise alone is a substance-free bond.  If you got these two in a room together to share their visions for this country, they would either be shrieking at each other or exiting with slammed doors within 5 minutes.

  • Jackie

    “Then they CAME FOR ME”

    Godwin’s Law invoked, and it’s not even lunchtime.

  • Peggy Sue

    I, too, will always vote for Hillary.  She’s one of the few people in government right now that I still trust, someone who has always held ordinary Americans, women and children here and abroad as important, worth standing up for. 

    Do I like this Administration?  No.  But Hillary Clinton’s input at State is something I value.  Would I be terribly upset if she left the Administration?  Not particularly.  I’d hate to see her tainted by this WH.  But I think she’s done a good job staying out of the domestic food fight and allowed Obama to burn his own bridges [and unfortunately, ours]. I have no doubt that Bill and Hillary Clinton are two of the smartest people we have working in our behalf.  And I’m sure there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of.

    Truth is, I don’t agree with Hillary Clinton on every point.  Nor should I.  I have my own point of view as we all do.  And we shouldn’t forget that the Clintons are master politicians.  But I trust them [even Bill Clinton with all his personal flaws].  I trust they have the Nation’s best interests at heart.  And trust is at a premium these days.

    I don’t give up on people I admire that easily.  You can look at the humanitarian work Bill Clinton is doing now and you can look at the work Hillary Clinton has worked and supported tirelessly in the past [because despite what the Obamatrons insist, past accomplishments are the measure of a person].

    My vote is still with Hillary.

  • Docelder

    See, Obama is a great uniter. He unites his enemies. He divides everybody who doesn’t realize he is their enemy.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    even though she clearly does not agree with some of the actions of this administration.

    Bullshit! Hillary has always been in line with Obama, goose stepping all the way. She said she would follow Obama during the primaries, and in that regard she has not disappointed.

    Hillary has just proven that she is unprincipled.

  • Rosa

    I would hate to imagine who Obama would put in her position when she resigns….I think it is a scary thought .

  • Rosa

    is anyone else having a problem with this blog comments.the comments are covered by by past commentinging{in large blocks of by me and others} and its impossible to read anything for the most part?

  • Ferd Berfle

    They’re not coming for you, either, Jackie. You’re under the bus, too. Have a good time, troll.

  • Ferd Berfle

    They’re not coming for you, Jackie. You’re under the bus, too. Have a good time, troll. You were had and we’re not surprised.

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree, Rosa. 

  • Freedom Fighter

    Americans are more optimistic about the future of the economy than they were last month, according to a new CBS News/ New York Times poll. Forty-one percent of Americans now say the economy is improving, up eight points from April and more than at any time during this recession. Just 15 percent think the economy is getting worse, according to the poll, conducted April 28 – May 2.

    There has also been a small bump in President Obama’s approval rating on the economy. In a five-point increase from last month, 48 percent now approve of the job he’s doing on the economy. That’s the highest approval rating on his handling of the economy the president has seen since last November. Forty-seven percent disapprove of his handling of it.

    Most Democrats (77 percent) approve of the president’s handling the economy, while most Republicans disapprove (86 percent). Independents are divided: 46 percent approve, while 45 percent disapprove. Last month, more independents disapproved than approved of how Mr. Obama was handling the economy.

  • No Longer an American

    I blame Hillary for this mess we are in more than obama. she caved. she sold us down the river. I’m done with that traitorous bitch

  • Ani

    Thanks so much, FF.  I can always count on you to drop off these optimistic little factoids.  I sincerely hope these joyous missives have been having the desired result. =-O

  • Kathleen Wynne

    keno,

    Let me know if there ever was a SOS who publicly defied the president’s policies, ok.  You totally leave out her obligation in her role as SOS and a member of Obama’s administration.

    I won’t go after her until she has left his administration.  If she continues to support obama and his policies then, I’ll not be gentle in my criticism of her.

  • Ani

    The day someone equates anything I have to say with something the obamabots would say, that is a sad day and an unfair comment to make.  I’m not making excuses for anyone.  If you no longer support Hillary, that is your right.  There is a big picture here and she has had foreign policy influence — it would be a lot worse were she not on board.  I am not happy with everything she is doing either.  By comparison, she’s stil l the best we’ve got.  I understand if you feel at this point that that’s not saying much.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Sarah also had to resign as governor for going against the power elite and they hobbled her ability to govern.  While she has power to inspire people and I like her for her ability to connect with average citizens, she has hurt her chances to be elected to office in the near future. 

    Nonetheless, I have high hopes for Sarah’s political future in the next 5-10 years.

  • carol haka

    Susan Rice.

    =-O

  • sowsear

    Comments are being covered by comments from new comments up above.

  • Jackie

    “Have a good time, troll. You were had and we’re not surprised.”

    Does it ever concern you, Ferd, that your debating abilities are strictly limited to intimidation and harassment?

  • sowsear

    Space article, above

  • helen aka d2i

    Outstanding piece, Ani. It’s women who seem to be stepping up these days leading and speaking the truth. I think it’s time for a woman’s revolution. No offense to the good men, but y’all have had more than 200 years at it and well, nuff said, I think it’s time for we women to lead.

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  • lorac

    But Ferd, I think we may all have different ideas of when the time is “to take a firm stand”.  Doesn’t make us dittoheads if our time line is different  :)

  • lorac

    But Sarah doesn’t hold a public office, and even if she did, it would be in the opposite party.  I don’t think at this point in time, a fair comparison can be made between Sarah and Hillary.

  • Justine

    Ani:  “even though she clearly does not agree with some of the actions of this administration.”  Not that clear to me, Ani — can you please provide a couple of examples of his disagreements?

    Peggy Sue:  “But Hillary Clinton’s input at State is something I value.”  Why?  Obviously Hillary’s input is about as useful as ours — it is not taken into consideration at all. 

    I think Obummer and his minions must have something on Hillary or Bill that they’re holding over them, so Hillary will do whatever they want.  I have lost all confidence in Hillary’s independence.

  • Justine

    Excuse me.  I meant to type “Can you please provide me some examples of her disagreements.”  Sorry.
    .

  • lorac

    And don’t forget, Ani, his handpicked head of Homeland Security didn’t even know until a couple of days ago that the military had boats that could skim up the oil….   oy!

  • lorac

    Docelder, I’ve always seen Hillary as a Centrist, center left.  If “progressive” means far left, then I never saw her that way….

  • Kathleen Wynne

    lorac,

    I am not comparing Sarah and Hillary, I am merely pointing out that she chose to resign rather than be unable to govern due to the Alaska dems hobbling her ability to govern.

    They are two very different women politically, but nonetheless, both are still extraordinary in their achievements.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Excellent post.  Thank you.

  • Patti

    I stand by my comment. If you supported Hillary during the primary, there is no reason not to support her now. She is the same women, fighting for women’s causes among many other things. If you diss Hillary for wanting to continue to serve our country AND help women around the world, you are a traitor to women.

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