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Things Get Hot, And “Do As We Say, Not As We Do,” Says Calderon

Well, the protests against Arizona and any immigration reform have come and gone from the weekend. Despite the sheer volume of the cries, the number of people were not what was expected. LA had about half the numbers they expected, and Chicago only had about 8,000. I’m sure you’ll appreciate this:

Upset — and scared, said a 40-year-old undocumented Mexican immigrant named Moses, who has lived and worked in the United States for 19 years. He currently works as a foreman on state-financed construction projects, he said. (Emphasis mine.)

“I pay my taxes, I try my best,” he said. “We need a chance because of our family. All my kids are U.S.-born.”

State financed projects in Illinois, and they don’t require proper documentation? Wow.

And while I am talking about the Immigration protesters, I want to share a video with you that NQ regular, HARP, provided me. This is a disturbing video out of Santa Cruz:

I hate to make the obvious distinction, but this is the antithesis of the Tea Party rallies, isn’t it?

I am still trying to wrap my head around why people think the United States should have completely open borders. It seems they are fine with the US having absolutely no idea who is coming in, any way to track them, or anyway to protect the border states. Why?

There is another issue here, too. These protesters seem to be oblivious to, or in complete and utter denial about, the rampant crime in these border states, and the staggering costs associated with having so many illegal immigrants come in. Texas Rep. Riddle said that it costs Texas FOUR BILLION dollars a year to deal with illegal immigrants: education, crime, and healthcare oare three major issues. It costs California TEN billion dollars a year.

Just who do these protesters think should pay for this? I think we know the answer to that. Even still – what other country in the world would allow people to enter without any documentation? None of which I am aware.

Which brings me to this. Mexican President Felipe Calderon is also lambasting Arizona for their recent attempt to enforce existing federal law. Oh, yes, he had all kinds of things to say in this article, Mexican Hypocrisy? U.S. Neighbor Has Its Own Tough Take on Immigration:

Mexican President Felipe Calderon says his government “cannot and will not remain indifferent” in the face of Arizona’s new immigration enforcement law, which he says violates human rights. But Mexico itself has “incredibly restrictive” immigration laws, experts told FoxNews.com.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon says his government “cannot and will not remain indifferent” in the face of Arizona’s new immigration enforcement law, which he says violates human rights. But Mexico itself has “incredibly restrictive” immigration laws, experts told FoxNews.com.

When Arizona’s law goes into effect this summer, law enforcement officers in the state will be required to verify the immigration status of individuals they suspect are in the country illegally. President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder quickly criticized the law despite its popularity in Arizona, and a referendum drive and a lawsuit have emerged as potential roadblocks to it.

But Calderon’s objection has riled some immigration policy experts, who called his take on the measure misguided given Mexico’s policies on unauthorized residents, particularly how the country deals with illegal entry and foreign ownership of property.

“It shows more than anything else that Mexico’s restrictive immigration policies have kept that country poor and in conflict for years,” said Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based conservative think tank. “The United States should not try to emulate that.”

Before last year, when Mexican immigration law was amended, the penalties for entering Mexico illegally ranged from fines to imprisonment for up to two years, followed by deportation. The law now allows for fines up to 5700 pesos (roughly $470), and a $400 fine for overstaying on a visa.

Hmmm. Let’s see, fines, imprisonment, and deportation. That is our neighbor to the South. The one whose president is criticizing us. Oh, wait – he probably just wanted to get in good with our president, who is busy criticizing Arizona, while not lifting a pinky to help them. Nice.

But there is more:

And the U.S. State Department warns Americans to exercise “extreme caution” prior to investing in property in Mexico, due to substantially different real estate practices and laws. The Mexican Constitution bans direct ownership by foreigners of real estate within 10 kilometers — or 6.2 miles — of any border and within 50 kilometers (31 miles) of any coastline.

“In order to permit foreign investment in these areas, the Mexican government has created a trust mechanism in which a bank has title to the property but a trust beneficiary enjoys the benefits of ownership,” the State Department profile on Mexico reads. “However, U.S. citizens are vulnerable to title challenges that may result in years of litigation and possible eviction.”

Nowrasteh said those policies hurt Mexico financially and contribute to a system that is not designed to accommodate foreigners.

“Restrictive ownership of property by foreigners restricts foreign investment,” he said. “It restricts the movement of entrepreneurs and laborers to Mexico who make the country wealthier. Any person around the world should be able to own property and invest in any economy around the world. It’s to everyone’s benefit.”

Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin said Mexico’s immigration laws are “far more draconian” than those in the United States, adding that Mexican authorities can “exercise any discretion” regarding deportations.

“So it’s particularly ironic to see them complaining about America when we allow open borders activists and illegal aliens to march on the streets demanding that we give them more than they certainly do in Mexico,” said Malkin, who is a Fox News contributor.

No kidding. Pot, meet kettle. What sheer and utter hypocrisy from Mexico’s president, if you ask me. Though I am not alone:

Andrew Selee, director of the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, agreed that Calderon’s statements regarding Arizona’s law are seemingly incongruous given immigration policies in his own country.

“The Mexican government is certainly within its rights to defend its citizens abroad, but they should also remind them of the need to substantially improve immigration laws in Mexico,” Selee said. “We would expect the Mexican government to want to protect their citizens living in the United States, but this is a highly public issue. It should certainly also bring about some reflection on how immigration law is applied in Mexico.”

Dan Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, disagreed, saying Calderon has a right to speak his mind about Arizona’s new law.

“The Mexican president has a right to complain about laws he thinks work against Mexican citizens in the United States,” he said. “And the Arizona law does raise legitimate questions about discrimination.”

Griswold continued, “The Mexican president is an important voice in this discussion. They’re an important neighbor, an important trading partner and we have mutual interests.”

Sure, Mexico is important in this discussion, especially since it is THEIR people who are being so disruptive in Arizona, Texas, and California with the drug cartels, gangs, and violence. Maybe Calderon figures better here than there.

Here’s the bottom line though: no country allows people to just waltz on in without proper documentation. Canada, our friendly neighbor to the north, also has very strict immigration policies in place. They require a large sum of money in the bank, and documentation of employment, for starters. Mexico has “draconian” immigration laws. And we should at least be protecting our borders so that we can protect our citizens. No matter how loudly illegal immigrants yell to be given their “rights,” the reality is, they are in this country ILLEGALLY, thus they do not deserve the same rights as American citizens have.

Do we need to make changes to our immigration laws? Probably so, as my friend, Ani points out in this excellent article. But in the meantime, we need to enforce the laws we have so that states like CA, TX, AZ, and others do not have to suffer such great expense in terms of money, time, resources, and safety.

In other words, stop playing politics to get votes, and start protecting our nation’s borders for our citizens. Obama can begin NOW by reinstating the border guards and funds to secure our borders. That would be a start…

  • sowsear

    What was so wrong with our country that they felt the need to destroy it?

  • oowawa

    Just to follow up on something I posted yesterday.  I mentioned that my son was playing in a band down in Santa Cruz on May 1st.  Just got off the phone with him, and it turns out that he didn’t even know about the riots.  Loud music!  Oh well, that’s my non-story!  (I could have made up something really spectacular!) 

  • BuzzLatte

    I guess the riots weren’t that effective or supported then!   8-)  BWAAAAHHAAAAA!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    LOL – oowawa, opportunity MISSED!  :-D   As I understand Ait, 18 stores were broken into during the riot.

    And sowsear, good question.  I still don’t get why in the world anyone would expect ANY country to have completely fluid borders.  It makes no sense to me at all.  Add to that all of the violence with which people are having to deal, the drugs, the gangs, the kidnappings – if ever there were reasons to clamp DOWN on the borders, this seems to be the time…

  • HARP

    Three people were attacked and at least two others were arrested. The people assaulted were part of the Minutemen demonstration, a group in favor of Arizona’s new immigration law.
    They said a large group of immigrants’ rights supporters followed them to the BART station on Market Street and started punching and kicking them, and calling them names.
    “They said we were racists, and we were against them, and against their town, and against San Francisco,” said Parker Wilson with the Bay Area National Anarchists. “What they were saying, they said we need to get out and called us racists, and that we need to go home. And then they just attacked my friends and me.”

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/05/immigration-protesters-with-brass-knuckles-mace-beat-stomp-on-counter-protesters-video/

  • oowawa

    Yes BuzzLatte.  Santa Cruz is largely a college town, and I’m sure that if you took a survey among the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slug student body, and asked them which activity is preferable, probably 95% would choose partying over rioting.

  • Puma.for.Life

    Had similar riot (anarchist) in Asheville, NC…calling it vandalism…arrested 11 of 20-30 people.  People from “away” involved; two with previous records of anarchist violence…not the TeaParty or it would be all over the msm.

    http://www.mountainx.com/news/2010/eleven_arrested_charged_for_downtown_vandalism

    11 people — including two Asheville residents — for vandalism to several businesses and cars last night. Two of the alleged vandals have connections with anarchist groups, but at this time, it’s not clear what the message or protest was behind their actions.
    Last night around 10:45 p.m., vandals shattered glass at several businesses around the Battery Park Avenue area, including the Eye Center, Bella’s, the Asheville Citizen-Times, the entrance to the Grove Arcade, Cucina 24, an RBC Centura ATM and the glass etching landmark across the street from the Arcade. Several cars in the area were also damaged. Reports at the time described around 20 people wearing dark clothing, breaking windows.
    “The subjects were wearing masks and face coverings and are estimated to have damaged at least eight vehicles and five businesses,” an announcement from the Asheville Police Department reads. “Officers from all districts responded, as well as a K-9 unit and Forensics staff.”
    So far, 11 people have been arrested by the APD. Most are from outside the Asheville area. They are:
    Jordan M. Ferrand-Sapsis, 24, of Oklahoma City, Okla.; Naomi Rachel Ullian, 26, of West Chestnut St. Asheville;
 Marshall Rogers Tingler, 24, of Oklahoma City
; Daniel Heinz Regenfcheit, 26, of Carrboro; Karen Leigh Alderser, 19, of Carrboro.; Alissa Marie Batzold, 18, of Carrboro; Havely Carolyn Carsky, 23, of Meadow Lake Road, Asheville; Randall Duncan Stezer, 17, of Graham; Wyatt Sherman Allgeier, 19, of Mount Pleasant; Cailin Elizabeth Major, 25, of Milwaukee, Wis.
; and Nicholas Ryan Entwistle, 19, of Kansas City, Mo.
    All face seven counts of injury to personal property and three counts of personal injury to real property. Tingler faces an additional count of injury to personal property. The APD announcement indicates that more charges are pending.
    So far, none of those accused have been released from the Buncombe County Detention Facility, where they are being held under a $10,000 bond (except for Tingler, whose bond is $11,000). Barring their release, their first court appearance is tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. Currently, their court date is set for June 8.
    May 1 is commonly a day for political protest, but it’s not immediately clear what — if any — was the specific message behind the damage. Two of those charged, Major and Ferrand-Sapsis, have connections with anarchist groups. In 2008, Major was involved in a Michigan court case as a part of a 2008 protest by Bash Back!. Ferrand-Sapsis has been involved in activities with Kansas Mutual Aid.

    http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20100503/NEWS01/100503038

    http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20100502/NEWS01/100501022

  • lorac

    Great essay, RRRA.

    I saw on TV today people with signs that said they “DEMAND citizenship”.  Pfffttt.  I can’t even imagine going to another country illegally, even legally, and DEMANDING things I have no right to.

    I remember a few years ago they had a HUGE march in L.A. demanding citizenship.  It made me wonder why they didn’t fight for their rights when they were in their home country, where they have grounds to stand on – what nerve to slink away from their own problems, come here, and make demands they wouldn’t make at home.  Really brave…..

  • Breeze

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    Crackdown on Illegal Immigration Gains Steam in…Massachusetts  
     
    AmericanPundit.co  
    by Stephan Tawney  
    on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:18 pm  
     
     
     
    Yes, the Bay State is going anti-illegal immigration. Reports the Boston Herald:  
    A Republican crackdown blocking illegal immigrants from scooping up taxpayer-funded benefits such as welfare and food stamps is gaining steam on Beacon Hill – as Democratic lawmakers and two candidates for governor scrambled yesterday to back the tough new measure.  
     
    “We can’t afford to be giving money to people who are breaking the law,” said state Rep. Jeffrey D. Perry (R-Sandwich), who filed an amendment to the budget that would force state departments offering taxpayer-funded assistance to check the applicant with federal immigration authorities.  
     
    “If our housing programs had this policy, the president’s aunt wouldn’t have been able to get access to our public housing,” said Perry, referring to President Obama’s aunt, Zeituni Onyango, an illegal Kenyan immigrant who notoriously nabbed a state-funded apartment in South Boston.
     
    In fact, Governor Deval Patrick (D) — a committed liberal — even conceded that more has to be done to ensure illegal aliens aren’t receiving state services. And he’s on record supporting in-state college tuition for illegal aliens who’ve graduated from the state’s school system.

  • elaine

    O’Reilly had some recent footage of Hillary on tonight.  She was mouthing some nonsense about if someone with a New York accent was stopped by the police in Arizona they could be deported. It was pathetic pandering for the Hispanic vote.

  • BuzzLatte

    Oh the sob stories from illegals who’ve been here forever….boohooohooo!

    If they were THAT interested in becoming a citizen they would have done so through the proper channels.  Now, they have nothing to be proud of unless being a criminal is now a virtue.  They were only interested in getting what they could with the least amount of effort from the United States.  The pendulum swings.

  • Richard

    Take a look at the sign this person is carrying.

    http://twitpic.com/1kivr6

  • sowsear

    Seems as if the “plan” to leave the borders open began years ago when the gov. started prining all gov. documents in English and Spanish. I remember my husband often quoting Sen. Hawakawa of CA that English was our language and should remain so.

    California voters in 1986 made. English the office state language when they approved Proposition 63. Former United State Senator Sam. Hawakawa was the
    http://www.rrcgop.org/RRC%20Newsletter%20Apr%2008.pdf

  • sowsear

    Isn’t the school year over by now?

  • sowsear

    I think illegals have been given “rights” and they expect to gain whatever else they want by force of mob/help from Washington.

  • Yttik

    Does anybody understand anarchists? I mean, are they in favor of big government or what? I’m laughing here, because the ones we have are such idiots. They love violence, throwing bottles at cops, covering their faces with masks, breaking store windows….and yet they’re all for President Obama, for socialism, for forcing everybody to buy insurance. Can you really be an anarchist on food stamps? Just asking.

  • carol haka

    No, they are on quarters.

    My son’s best friend from 3rd grade went to UCSC, and he missed Ryan’s graduation parties because he was still in classes.

    :-D

  • ~~Justme~~

    Crazy and this never hits the MSM. Hello there is something wrong here!!

  • sowsear

    They have “anchors”. Who will separate these citizen “babies” from their illegal parents?

  • Breeze

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    THE SANTA CRUZ RIOT

    James Taranto
    The Wall Street Journal
    May 3, 2010

    “In a blunt caution to political friend and foe, President Barack Obama said Saturday that partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse pose a serious danger to America’s democracy, and may incite ‘extreme elements’ to violence,” the Associated Press reports from Ann Arbor, Mich.

    Two thousand miles away, another AP dispatch reports, there occurred an example of exactly what the president was warning about:
    Close to 20 businesses were damaged after what started as a peaceful immigrants’ rights march in downtown Santa Cruz [Calif.] turned violent, requiring police to call other agencies for help, authorities said.Police spokesman Zach Friend said an estimated 250 people started marching through the city around 10:30 p.m. Saturday.It was a harmonious but “unpermitted and unsanctioned event,” he said, until some in the crowd started breaking windows and spraying paint on retail shops that line the downtown corridor.Friend said he wasn’t sure if the damage was caused by people marching in support of immigrants’ rights, or if the group was “infiltrated by anarchists.”Anarchy signs were spray-painted on some of the buildings.”They’re a group of people who seem to fancy themselves as revolutionaries, but what they really are are a group of morons,” Friend said.

    You’ve got to love the way the AP describes this: It started as a peaceful march but “turned violent.” It was totally harmonious “until some in the crowd started breaking windows.” And the window breakers might have just been infiltrators!

    CONTINUED

  • Dutchie

    This protest from the Left does a tremendous diservice to the people of this country who emigrated LEGALLY!!!!  Yes, this country is made up of immigrants but they stood in line to come here.  When you work hard for something you truly want, you have respect for it when you get it.  If you get something you never worked for, there is no respect for it.  Let the Mexican people show some respect for this country and earn the right to cross our borders legally, just like millions before them.

  • HARP

    Apparently the swastika is back in fashion again.

  • carol haka

    They don’t have to separate them.  The babies can go back to Mexico with their parents.

    :-D

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Holy CRAPPYDOO, Richard – that is unbelievable!  Threatening to shoot our POLICE OFFICERS to get THEIR “rights”? 

    And di you hear Ozzie Guillen, manager of the White Sox saying that Hispanics are workaholcs, we should be thankful they are here, and all this stuff.  Kinda sounds to me like he is calling us lazy.

    lorac, thanks.  I remember that rally of which you speak.  I absolutely could not believe that – DEMANDING to become a citizen??  Oh, yeah – let me go over to, I don’t know, ANYWHERE, and try that one.  I’ll send you a postcard from jail…

  • Breeze

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    Compare this with the lead paragraph of the AP’s March 20 dispatch on the anti-ObamaCare tea-party protests:
    House Democrats heard it all Saturday–words of inspiration from President Barack Obama and raucous chants of protests from demonstrators. And at times it was flat-out ugly, including some racial epithets aimed at black members of Congress.

    The claims of racial epithets have since been disputed and were never substantiated, but let’s give the AP the benefit of the doubt and assume that at the time, the reporter knew of no reason to doubt the word of the congressmen making the claims.

    Even so, had the tea-party protesters gotten the Santa Cruz treatment, the AP would have noted that the rally was completely nonviolent, even if it featured some ugly words; that there was no ugliness at all until the protest “turned ugly”; and that the people who (allegedly) shouted the ugly words might well have been infiltrators.

    If the Santa Cruz protesters had gotten the tea-party treatment, by contrast, the AP would have described the event simply as a riot and would not have distinguished between the peaceful protesters and the violent few who might be infiltrators anyway. What’s more, conservative politicians and commentators would be sounding a constant refrain–echoed by the mainstream media–that politicians are inciting the violence with “antigovernment” statements like this one, reported April 23 by CBS News:
    President Obama suggested today that the immigration bill expected to be signed into law in Arizona is a “misguided” piece of legislation that “threatened to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe.”

    We don’t think that journalists should give the Santa Cruz protesters the tea-party treatment or the tea partiers the Santa Cruz treatment. Both sides ought to get the same treatment–fair treatment–from those whose job is to cover the news impartially.

    As for Obama, his efforts to demonize the opposition are unseemly and unpresidential. Given the breadth of his policies’ unpopularity, they amount to an attack on the majority of Americans. That seems likely they will prove politically unwise as well.

  • HARP

    Yep…..You have to prove you have Health Insurance, but not citizenship.

  • lorac

    Well that doesn’t even make sense.  Deported means out of the country.  To what country would they deport someone with a NY accent?

  • BuzzLatte

    A couple of years ago the state of Utah brought a case up before the feds against a man who had been in the state and country illegally for nearly 20 years. He had a job, children, and a US citizen wife and still he was deported.

    Since his wife was a US citizen I imagine they didn’t blink about deporting him.  The choice then for the family was to live without him in the US or move to Mexico.  
    The word is consequences.  

  • BuzzLatte

    How many anarchists, besides Obama, are older than 35?

  • lorac

    I think they may have to stop giving automatic citizenship to anyone born here.  So many purposely dash over the border in order to drop the kid here in the southwest, so the kid is a citizen, and the mom can’t be deported.  I’ve heard other countries have started changing their laws, so that you have to be born to a citizen in order to have automatic citizenship.  Hmmm… they could call it Operation DROP the ANCHORS lol

  • lorac

    Well, like anyone else, some are workaholics, some aren’t.  Opponents of the bill can’t seem to understand the simple distinction between legal and illegal immigration.

    Anyway, isn’t it RACIST of them to generalize all hispanics as being ONE WAY?

  • ~~Justme~~

    Give em an inch and they want to take a mile!

  • lorac

    oowawa, for some in this age group, partying and rioting may be very similar!

  • lorac

    Is it even legal to threaten to harm police like that?

    I think it must be illegal even for a legal person to do that lol

  • BuzzLatte

    Here’s an article about it:

    I stand corrected.  He was in the country for more than 20 years.  His case went before the supreme court and he still was deported.

    Humberto

  • oowawa

    I’m sure you’re right lorac.  And I’m also sure that there are “community organizers” around who know how to make use of a student community.

  • lorac

    Gosh, let’s start carrying signs that we’re going to kill police until women and gays have equal rights.  I’m so sure we’ll have the same right to carry that sign without being arrested as that loser in the picture…. (yeah, right)

  • BuzzLatte

    His name is Humberto Fernandez-Vargas.  His case went before the Supreme Court and he still was deported in 2005/06.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    That is the next issue, lorac – whether to still allow that or not since it has now become a standard MO as a way to force one’s way in to naturalization.  

    Again, if someone wanted to be a full, contributing member of our society, and cannot afford to come here legally, they can join the military and EARN their citizenship. 

    I’m just thinking abt some of these signs – do these people really believe they should be able to get something for nothing?  And how does one pay taxes if they aren’t legal, like the guy who does construction for Illinois??  Heck – I have had to show my birth certificate (!) to prove citizenship (!) for jobs in the non-profit sector.  It was my understanding that was a federal law.  So just how does someone get state contracts when they are illegal??

  • Anthony

    I was struck by that too.  I still want to ‘have her back’, but when crap like this comes out of her mouth, I begin to re-think my loyalty, as she should.

    If an illegal immigrant from New York (or anywhere else) is caught in Az, then they need to pay the price.

    I can understand the idea of her “doing her job” as the mouthpiece for this piece of junk President we have, but her loyalty is to the country, not to him.  

    If she is expected to make ridiculous statements like that, she should re-think her own loyalty to her country, and step the f*ck down. Some “jobs” are just not worth having

  • Anthony

    I like that, carol haka

  • BuzzLatte

    And they do:  On two to three month vacations with the money their parents earned all going back to Mexico.  School aged children don’t go to school during the family vacation.  

  • oowawa

    Nicely printed signs like these aren’t free.  Who is paying for them?

  • TeakWoodKite

    So I get home after the monday grind, to be asked by my sanehalf, “Gues what law Arizona passed today?”
    I responded, “What the concealed weapon with out a permit thing?”
    “No”, they passed a law saying you can teach if you speak with an accent.”

    HUH? I am so tired attempting to explain that it is Federal law Arizona is matching it’s laws with and I get a rash of shit for week, because “it’s racial profiling”…

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    You can’t get paid without a valid SSN. In most places taxes have to be filed quarterly. Unless they’re paying this guy under the table, which would be amazing since it’s being financed by the state and thus breaking the law.

    Dude’s getting a 25-40% tax break by being paid under the table and he whines about paying his taxes?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Dutchie, you said it perfectly on all counts.  Absolutely spot on – thank you!

  • oowawa

    I could be wrong, but this sign is so over-the-top that I would suspect it to be a plant or sarcastic.  But I will not dismiss the possibility that the sign carrier is the world’s stupidest human.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  That is so funny, lorac!!  Can you imagine?! 

    I could have sworn that threatening to do violence, and inciting riots was illegal.  Any lawyers around who could help us out on this one?

  • TeakWoodKite

    So I get home after the monday grind, to be asked by my sanehalf, “Gues what law Arizona passed today?” 
    I responded, “What the concealed weapon with out a permit thing?” 
    “No”, they passed a law saying you can teach if you speak with an accent.” 
     
    HUH?
     I am so tired attempting to explain that it is Federal law Arizona is matching in it’s laws with and I get a rash of shit for the week, because “it’s racial profiling”… from the sanehalf.

  • oowawa

    I could be wrong, but this sign is so over-the-top that I would suspect it to be a plant or sarcastic.  But I will not dismiss the possibility that the sign carrier is the world’s stupidest human.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    That is pretty telling, isn’t it??  Thanks for this!

  • Yttik

    Hitler’s daughter??! Does anybody remember the Jews trying to sneak into Nazi Germany?

    And if Americans are such imperialistic fascist pigs, shouldn’t everybody being trying to get out, not in??

  • HARP

    New Jersey ?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    That’s what I was thinking OD2EB – I just could not imagine how this guy was paying his taxes, unless he means having to pay taxes at the grocery store, or purchasing clothes or something…

    And Teak, I am sure you are tired, but honestly, even if you weren’t, it wouldn’t make any more sense!  :)

  • BuzzLatte

    Love the common sense thinking there, Yttik.

    Some brave journalist needs to point out those signs and that line of thinking to Obama.  It would be worth it to watch his eyes roll back in his head.

  • lorac

    RRRA, some use other people’s SSNs.  They can buy them, use one for a while, then move on to another.  So if they do that, they seem legal, and *are* paying taxes, but have the very least taken out, maybe claim a lot of kids they may not have.  Citizens have discovered they were “working” in another part of the state at the same time they were working at home at their real job!  (they find out when the tax people come looking for the rest of the taxes to be paid)

  • Yttik

    I saw her say that! It didn’t even make sense. Citizens of NY? NY is not a country. She’s concerned New Yorkers will be profiled in Arizona because they talk funny? LOL, WTH was she talking about? Where do you “deport” a New Yorker to, back to NY?

  • lorac

    SEIU?

  • BuzzLatte

    Identity theft by the illegals is huge in Utah.  

  • Yttik

    It’s scary because I think there are more then we realize. Or at least older ones who lead, who manage to manipulate stupid students.

  • sowsear

    That isn’t what they have in mind. Also not what the legislation was meant to do either.

  • sowsear

    Why couldn’t his wife sponsor him? I thought that marriage to a citizen was a tried and true method of gaining citizenship.

  • TeakWoodKite

    California voters in 1986 made. English the office state language.

    sowsear, you wouldn’t know it today. In fact I doubt many state “law makers” do either.

  • confused American

    For the life of me I cannot understand the mindset of the Illegal Immigrants…
    It’s like our country owes them and its their right to everything and anything they can get from our government…
    Its like the illegals are entitled to even more than us citizens get.
    I am getting tired of the many states that are going broke due to the social services given to illegal immigrants…
    I am getting tired of the school districts going broke due to the services they have to give to illegal immigrants while American students lose out on other curricular activities that could help and benefit them I bet the money spent on Spanish textbooks to teach Hispanics is probably quite a bit a many border state’s school budgets.
    Friend of mine says there is a school district that is having to lay off several teachers mostly it is going to be by seniority…yet a few will be staying not because of their years of service but because they can teach and speak in Spanish…
     
    How often does one look in the paper at social service/state jobs and etc and one of the primary requirements is you must be bilingual…WHY…
     
    Again Amy you did a great job…TY

  • sowsear

    Not going to happen with this gov. and the present climate in Congress. It’s all about new voters.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    They may be able to do this for a little while, but it will catch up on the employer and then they can be screwed. For the worker it means hoping from job to job, hoping that the SSN they’re uses flies for a little while. Sort of a lot of hassle and risk for employer and worker when it’s easier just to pay them under the table.

    The only tax this joker in the story is probably paying is state sales tax when he buys stuff at the store. Let me shed a tear for his “loss”…

  • ~~Justme~~

    Tax payers?

  • Jackie

    Republican outreach to Hispanic-Americans is just going great:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_05/023614.php

    Many Hispanic-Americans say they feel stung by a law they allege invites racial profiling, incites hatred and discriminates against all Latinos.

    The law in Arizona was passed by a Republican legislature and signed by a GOP governor. Republican lawmakers in Texas, Utah and several other states have said they would consider introducing laws similar to the one passed in Arizona.

    Conservative Hispanic voters, in particular, say they feel betrayed by Republican Party leaders who have supported the law.

  • lorac

    lol  does the East Coast consider New Jersey to be another country?  (I’m not familiar with the inter-state rivalries up there!)

  • confused American

    they are threatening our laws that they are breaking…
    In other words its ok for them to be breaking laws….Something wrong with this picture

  • carol haka

    Only if you are a senior Tea Party representative.

    :-D

  • AC

    Nice article Rev, Amy, but I do question this statement “they are in this country ILLEGALLY, thus they do not deserve the same rights as American citizens have.”  I’m no Constitutional scholar, however it might read better if the words “legal residents” was used in place of “citizens”

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Chomsky calls himself a Social Libertarian. Essentially these nutjobs think that by abolishing all structures of “authoritarianism” ie businesses, government, religion that we’ll all make a mad dash for the “means of production” and start churning out shit “for the cause!”

  • lorac

    lol  Well, the bags under her eyes are really getting bad – she’s working really hard.  Maybe she has cotton in her head, the way I feel when I’m really tired!

  • AC

    oowawa, you mind reader you.

  • Anthony

    this is the exact statement she made:

    “It is written so broadly that if you were visiting in Arizona and you had an accent and you were a citizen from my state of New York, you could be subjected to the kind of inquiry that … this law permits,” she told NBC’s “Meet the Press.”           SOURCE

    Uhhh,,,,  yeah, Hillary.  Illegal is illegal, no matter where

    I’m so disappointed

  • Cindy

    oowawa—LOL OMG that is a scream about your son and his band. Well, I know I’d rather listen to his band perform, than listen to a bunch of liberals lying about the Arizona law!

  • carol haka

    The Democrat running against Perry in Texas has pledged not to require ID for voting in Texas.

    I don’t know what planet he came from that he thinks he is going to win with this platform in Texas.

    :-D

  • ~~Justme~~

    Not unless she can fully support him financially until his citizenship is through. That means unless he is grated a work permit he cannot work either. I couldn’t work when I first moved here until I got my Employment Authorization card.
    That is how it worked years ago it may of changed. Although to sponsor someone you are have to financially support them.

  • AC

    Yttik, what! being logical–cant have that!

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy—very informative post…Thank you!

  • lorac

    You could have fooled me that English is the official language here!  There are a couple of towns just south of me that I can’t even shop in, because they don’t speak English!  (right on the border)

  • Cindy

    lorac—-too funny!

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    But you’re not going to be able to fly long on that identity before it’s uncovered, and they you’re back to square one. They’re probably more likely to get SSN’s to open and use credit lines and buy big ticket stuff than use them for work. I mean, you can do it but in the end the fly by night operation won’t last long.

    And I’ve seen it with contractors who hire illegals (in this case non-mexicans) using other people’s SSN. The guy’s response was basically the business shuts down and they start a new one. Needless to say, I got a different job ASAP.

    My guess is that they pay this guy under the table and the taxes he’s crying about is the measly state sales tax on purchases. And whining about sales taxes is fricking ridiculous. Tourists who come to America have to pay sales tax when they buy crap. Quit your bitching about sales tax.

  • carol haka

    I applied for a bank position.  Shortly afterwards, they reposted the position as bilingual and sent me a notice that I wasn’t being considered.

    I really get pissed when voice mails make you listen to everything in 2 languages before you can move through the call.

    I have great respect for people who can speak more than one language.  I just want them to have great respect for people who only speak English while they are in my Country.

    :-D

  • lorac

    Maybe they like America so much, they wanted to make it just like TJ (Tijuana) – which they “liked” so much they “had” to leave….

  • AC

    To what country would they deport someone with a NY accent?********To Florida during the Winter, and Connecticut during the other months.

  • lorac

    …. or they want to be given the marathon, without having run the 26 miles…

  • oowawa

    Well, that IS unfortunate.  I’ll bet she wishes she could have that one back.  She should!  New Yorkers are legal in AZ, I think.  Indeed, that New York accent says “I’m an American!” as clearly as a heavy southern drawl.  Fran Drescher can feel perfectly safe in Phoenix.  But those New Yorkers best not go around trying to peddle that salsa that’s made in “New York City!”

  • AC

    Anthony, I read your reference–what I found striking was the fact that they quoted Hillary but only summarized/paraphrazed the question to which she responded.  I’d like to see the question as a quote as well as identifying the questioner also–to clarify context.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    :-D   Good one!

    How in the hell could Hillary say something like that??  Sigh.  How far is she willing to sink to support the inanities that come out of Obama’s mouth?

  • sowsear

    ACORN or whatever they call it now to get funding…

  • lorac

    Nice to “see” you again, Cindy  :)

  • sowsear

    He has his motives and they’re not patriotic…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You said it, oowawa – and it is unfortunate.    Good grief.

  • Diana

    RR it’s inciting imminent violence not general threat of violence that might happen at some time in future

  • AC

    How many anarchists, besides Obama, are older than 35?******Is this one of those how to screw in the light-bulb question?

  • sowsear

    Some Americans have said, however, that the boycott works both ways. Do they want another baseball strike? Ordinary people can no longer afford to go to games as it is. They don’t need an excuse not to go at all.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, CA!  And what a great comment you made, too.  I don’t get why they think they are OWED so much by us, and why they think we ought to give them more than we get ourselves.  That is some mindset, isn’t it?  Wow…

  • sowsear

    You won’t hear that from scumbag Schumer or Gillibrand…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, AC – I was thinking of not just US born citizens, but those who came here legally, or to escape persecution.  But yes, you are quite right, it should be “Legal residents” to be clearer. 

  • lorac

    What gets me, Carol, is that they always use the term “bilingual”.  If you speak English and French you are bilingual, but you still wouldn’t have gotten that bank job.  They should be totally honest that it’s not simple bilingualisim they’re looking for, they just care about Spanish speakers. 

    And if we made the kids learn English before anything else in school, bilingualism wouldn’t be such a big deal, and we wouldn’t have to press “1″ to hear the message in our own English language….

  • sowsear

    Well Europe isn’t a country either. Maybe she’s catching BO’s Disease.

  • lorac

    I know this week’s talking points are to force it into an ideological box.  Newsflash:  this is an American issue, and I’m no republican.

    Where is Donna Brazille?  “Stop the distracting fest!”

  • lorac

    … because, of course, the dems aren’t avoiding this issue for political purposes, oh, no.  They’re too chaste.

    Dems are for women and gays and minorities, and it’s not for political gain.  Pfffttt.  No one here has believed that since May 31, 2008.

  • lorac

    Everyone has to show their ID to vote.  These people are nuts.  As if Texas didn’t already have a record of (obots) cheating in caucuses, now they want to drop the law they weren’t even enforcing of showing ID?

    This seems to be the year of the backlash (yay!).  Health care, amnesty, no border protection.  We’re fed up.

  • sowsear

    One of my son’s has a babysitter with a green card. A couple of years ago, a friend introduced her to her son who lived in the Caribbean somewhere (not Puerto Rico). She ended up marrying him, and he immediately began asking her to “sign his papers”.. She put him off and he finally left and went home. He then tried to get the papers by claiming that she abused him. Apparently that is the ploy by which he could hold on to his right to a green card, even when she div orced him. His mother is no longer her friend and the abuse charge didn’t stick.

  • ~~Justme~~

    In fact you have to hold a green card for so long before you can apply for citizenship. It could be 5 yrs I forget.

  • Docelder

    Who is paying for them? Probably tax dollars are being dverted for them. You see the TEA people with their homemade signs and a bunch of illegals have real manufactured mass produced full color signs. Wow.

  • sowsear

    What was the program that BO instituted right after his inaugeration that gave foreigners a fast track to citizenship. It was said at the time to favor persons from Islamic countries…I tried recently to google it but didn’t find it.

  • confused American

    Enjoy the cartoon  Great one for this article http://www.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/12/2010/04/30/77860_600.jpg

  • sowsear

    Alinsky Lives!

  • Docelder

    If Hillary wasn’t o.k. with BHO, she would have demanded a delegate count and Bill wouldn’t be out campaigning for him now. These people are o.k. with BHO, else they wouldn’t be enabling him. Remember Hillary did a thesis on Alinsky. She and BHO aren’t so different.

  • lorac

    Wow, I never heard of it happening that way, but I’m sure it does sometimes!  I know when a female illegal immigrant is the (true) victim of domestic violence, there’s a law that helps them get citizenship.  It’s because the legal, abusive husband is always threatening her that if she leaves him and his abuse, or reports his behavior, he’ll have her deported.  So with this law, she can seek safe haven, and doesn’t have to depend on an abuser to get her citizenship.

  • Docelder

    Just keep hugging illegal aliens. What is next? Child pornographers? Who else that doesn’t think the law applies to them are you guys in love with? Pathetic losers.

  • lorac

    But sowsear, I think that’s why the states are starting to take it into their own hands, don’t you?

    Neither federal party will probably EVER touch this (unless it’s Obama giving amnesty – after 2012).  But it needs to be solved.  I’m glad the states are standing up for what’s right.

    I like immigrants.  I don’t like cheaters.  (well, in Obama’s case, he may be an illegal immigrant, AND he’s a cheater, so I double-don’t like him!)

  • jwrjr

    Would it not be correct to say that by not enforcing Immigration law the Obama Monarchy are guilty of inciting riots?

  • Docelder

    The big thing about that is we would have busloads of people driving around voting at different places all day long. An ID also makes sure people actually live in the district and it makes them vote just one time.

  • sowsear

    They caught a lady here two days ago at the airport with thousands of dollars on her. This was her 2nd trip to this area in the past month or so. Each time she presented identification/credit cards of different people, all with her picture on them, and took $7 thousand out of each account. She was caught this time because she had cut up all of the cards and some other papers and left them in the grass (I think) outside of the Airport Hotel last time she was in town.. They were found by an employee of the hotel and turned over to the police. They pieced them together.
    Then last week, the police were notified that the same lady was back using the same Bank of Amereica cards. They correctly reasoned that she would be going to the airport when she finished her transactions. They caught her at the security line.
    They think she is part of a gang of thieves who steal identities.
    Wasn’t a Bank of America data base breeched last year?

  • sowsear

    Someone could be trying to undermine the state law by making it sound ridiculous…overkill at any rate.

  • lorac

    The legal AND illegal immigrants are upset about this new law, that they might have to show ID (which we all show ourselves many times a week).  Their anger is so misplaced.  They should be angry at all their brethren who are breaking the law, committing crimes, sapping the country’s public funds – THEY are the ones who have caused this law!!! 

    It’s like when some blacks get so angry because so many young black men are in jail, and it’s all “our fault”.  Excuse me?  You should be mad that your children are committing crimes, not mad that they had to go to jail like anyone else committing crimes!

    No accountability.   It’s all someone else’s fault.   Hmmmm…. they could all be president!

  • oowawa

    Sort of like being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize without having actually done anything to deserve it . . .

  • sowsear

    Although I did have a French teacher in college who not only spoke with an accent, she had a lisp…very difficult.

  • sowsear

    Probably most of the government jobs.

  • jwrjr

    That’s a cartoon?  I thought it was a photograph. (/irony)

  • ~~Justme~~

    Yes sowsear, sadly it’s amazing what many will do to get in to the USA. I expect the mother was trying to find a way to get her son into the country if he was over 18.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    IMO The Obamacon Democratic left is having a community organizer moment on a national scale. I think they’re hoping to scare evil white America into seeing that we’re all a bunch of brown skin hating racists in the hopes the fast tracking some sort of massive amnesty program.

    Sort of like when Obama and Acorn use to jam the lobbies of the banks until they leant money to brown skin people to buy houses they couldn’t afford simply because they had brown skin.

    In SF gang members wearing bandanas over their face we’re running around flashing gang signs and just being generally unruly. Clearly these protests are to invoke threats or at least the prospect that there could be mass urban unrest if their demands on AZ and “human rights” aren’t met.

    Funny, and they say the tea party is violent. WTF is Bill Clinton now?

  • sowsear

    Texas Two Step is a farce, as we know. Busloads came from out of state  last time and voted/caucused..I doubt anything has changed.

  • ~~Justme~~

    Great post RRR Amy and how wonderful not to have the pest here taking control of the comments!

  • sowsear

    they could all be president!

    Oh well, why not, We have a Precedent…President.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    um no lorac you are wrong.  They use TAX ID’s from the IRS.  google it and figure it out.  Dang I really like ya’ll on here but shit I can really sense the hate piling on when it comes to this subject. 

    Do you guys hate me too because of my screen name? I’ve been wondering.
    I can’t change who I am and if you are going to judge me, then so be it but I know who I am and what I am capable of. 

    Very disappointing.

  • sowsear

    Well Thee Won said last year, If they bring a knife to a fight, we’ll bring a gun.
    Someone might have thought that was inciting to riot?

  • Rosa

    maybe they should worry about the voters  they already have!

  • sowsear

    He was well over 18. Strangely enough,  he wanted to come here to get into pilot training. I don’t know where he thought his wife, a babysitter, was going to get that much money.

  • Jackie

    “I don’t know what planet he came from that he thinks he is going to win with this platform in Texas.”

    The emerging Texan Latino power bloc knows when the GOP is dog-whistling on immigration…so does Bill White.

  • ~~Justme~~

     Do you guys hate me too because of my screen name? Of course not Tex-mex However it is known fact that SS# are stolen and used not saying all by Mexicans. I know how you feel and sometimes you have to let something’s ride I have to overlook the Brit bashing at times although I have let rip with jackie over it.

  • sowsear

    Most of us came from immigrants who earned the right to citizenship.

  • Jackie

    Just keep hugging illegal aliens. What is next? Child pornographers? Who else that doesn’t think the law applies to them are you guys in love with? Pathetic losers.”

    The only thing pathetic here is your comparison of illegal immigrants to child pornographers.  Illegal immigrants may be breaking the law, but it is a far different law than the one that prosecutes child rape.  It is also a law that millions of American businesses throughout the nation break on a daily basis in order to stay in business.  I don’t agree with the decision they’ve made economically, but I would never compare them or their undocumented employees to child molesters or child pornographers.  These graphic, extreme comparisons do nothing to aid the discussion, or solve the problem.

  • sowsear

    Or at least older ones who lead, who manage to manipulate stupid students.

    Or those,whatever category they fall under. who write the laws that they force down our throats.

  • lorac

    I just heard what I think must have been the same clip, and she didn’t say “deported” – she seemed to be saying that if someone had a NY accent in AZ, they might be asked for their ID.

    Which is still hard to believe (isn’t that kind of saying that AZ police are idiots….?), but a stranger being asked for ID isn’t the same as deportation.

  • lorac

    Eh, much harder to become the dem party they used to be/are supposed to be, much easier to just keep cheating, this time by giving amnesty to foreigners to vote for them.

    Maybe the Chicago gang just doesn’t even know how to do the right thing.  If you can’t steal it or cheat, it’s not worth it…..?

  • sowsear

    why they think we ought to give them more than we get ourselves.  That is some mindset, isn’t it?  Wow…


    Well BO was elected by folks who thought that he was going to pay their mortgages, and buy them cars, etc… and a pony and cotton candy

  • oowawa

    “THE SANTA CRUZ RIOT”

    How long before we have a rock group of that name?  10-9-8-7 . . .

  • lorac

    Yes, sowsears.  They sent us all new ATM cards with new numbers on them after that.

  • ~~Justme~~

    Or being president without really winning the primaries! =-O

  • sowsear

    Quiet now, he might hear you.

  • lorac

    How about:  “If you make illegal aliens legal, then next you’ll be letting men marry donkeys!  Then next you’ll be demanding that child molesters can live next to children!”

    (well, that’s what they do with the subject of gay marriage, so I’m throwing it back!)

  • lorac

    Yes, I thought you might be a friend of Bill W.

  • Jackie

    “Dems are for women and gays and minorities, and it’s not for political gain.  Pfffttt.  No one here has believed that since May 31, 2008.”

    All political parties are interested in political gain.  That’s the point of a political party.  Political gain.

    What one should actually look at is who a party is composed of, and what their platform is.  While the GOP is made up predominantly of older white men, who oppose Roe v Wade, opposed Lilly Ledbetter, and oppose ENDA (just to pick a few examples), the Dems are made up of predominatly women, African-Americans, Latinos, gays, and young white professionals.  These people generally support Roe, support Lilly Ledbetter, support ENDA.  So that is why the Democratic Party does, too.

  • mandi1948

    I believe taht is about time for US-USA citizens and legals to start supporting OUR Police . We are in this togethet, we need to get united against illegals. They are spereding like flis, we must support those politicians who are against illegals. Mr.Tancrado in Colorado i s fighting for so long i is ignore by all politicjans. It is about time to support this man in Colorado. All Coloradans with common sence should vote for Mr. Tancredo as Governor, we have no other choice!!

  • sowsear

    I magnified that one pic to see if I could read  the title of the book the man had in his hand. It seems to be in Spanish but I can’t read it. Anyone?

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I think it’s neither. This is how these people really think they can act. There were riots in Santa Cruz and it was really tense and hostile in SF. But like lefties thinking that protest and dissent is reserved for them and them only, the ability to threaten authority is also for them only.

    All it takes is for people to show up in opposition to the turn that Obama is taking America and it’s a right wing brown shirt brigade ready to make us all worship capitalism and Ronald Reagan by using any means necessary.

    But I think that’s the image the Obamacrats and the SEIU wanted to project. That urban inner cities would erupt and burn if “justice” wasn’t given. I guess at best, repealing the law under some sort of civil rights guise, or at worst, repeal and grant full amnesty for everyone by “white guilt” so as not to appear to the world to be a nation of racist whities.

  • sowsear

    Maybe Hillary was thinking of the many Hispanics in NYC…some of whom may be here legally…

  • lorac

    That’s right, sowsear, it will be historical.  The first one-term black/white president.  lol

  • lorac

    He probably watches the MSM and hasn’t heard anything about it….

  • lorac

    Just me, I had no idea you are such a cute British mouse!  I know a cute fuzzy pink bunny I could hook you up with……   ;0

  • jbjd

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    Enough said.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Funny. Notice though how Jackie automatically assumes that everyone in their race will stand up for each other, regardless of the reality of the situation in real life. Race transcends all, because people like Obama and Jackie are inheriantly racist in it’s logic.

    For example, let’s say I’m a legal resident or a naturalized citizen. I work hard, have a real SSN and have a skill and have had steady employment trying to make a better life for my family. Here comes a bunch of ahole punks over the border, at best stand in front of the Home Depot, at worst become gang bangers dealing drugs and terrorizing neighborhoods.

    Yet, I’m to foresake all my work at living the American dream and stand in solidarity beside the Home Depot workers with no skills and violent gang-bangers and advocate that they get instant citizenship NOW simply because they share the same racial DNA and share our native tongue.

    Think about that.

  • Jackie

    Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html#ixzz0mvtn7DOt

    Assistant Police Chief Roy Bermudez shakes his head and smiles when he hears politicians and pundits declaring that Mexican cartel violence is overrunning his Arizona border town.

    “We have not, thank God, witnessed any spillover violence from Mexico,” Bermudez says emphatically. “You can look at the crime stats. I think Nogales, Arizona, is one of the safest places to live in all of America.”

    FBI Uniform Crime Reports and statistics provided by police agencies, in fact, show that the crime rates in Nogales, Douglas, Yuma and other Arizona border towns have remained essentially flat for the past decade, even as drug-related violence has spiraled out of control on the other side of the international line. Statewide, rates of violent crime also are down.

  • lorac

    Alinskquez Rulos para Radicolos?

  • jbjd

    Enough said.

  • sowsear

    We do not hate Hispanic people. We want them to come here legally and I, for one, would like them to learn to speak English.
    Tex-Mex. we’re upset because our government is not enforcing our laws. Don’t you see the injustice of that?

  • mandi1948

    gOVERNOR OF aRIZONA AND tOM tACREDO OF cOLORADO , THEY ARE FOR REAL. iT DOES NOT METTER WITCH pARTY. pRESIDENT oBAMA WILL SCREW us A BIG TIME , AND i VOTE FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR A democrat, WHAT A MISTAKE. i DID SIGN mR. TANCREDO PETITION AGAINST ILLEGALS AND I WILL AGAIN. IT IS NOT ABOPUYT PATY. AMERICANS ARE BEYING SCREW BY DEMOCRATS. I SUPPORTED THEM AND THEY SCREW US A BIG TIME. BRAVO TO GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA AN BRAVO TO MR. TANCREDO. THIS AHVE GUTS, IT IS TIME TO SUPPORT HIM FOR GOVERNOR OF COLORADO!!!!!

  • sowsear

    What was the program that BO instituted right after his inaugeration that gave foreigners a fast track to citizenship. It was said at the time to favor persons from Islamic countries…I tried recently to google it but didn’t find it.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Suspect in custody in NY car bomb attack
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb

  • Anthony

    Here’s that portion of the transcript:

    MR. GREGORY:  Another area that has become a domestic political debate over immigration has also taken on some international ramifications.  Mexico, because of the law, the stringent law against–anti-immigration law passed in Arizona has issued a pretty unusual alert…
    SEC’Y CLINTON:  Mm-hmm.
    MR. GREGORY:  …to its own citizens traveling to Arizona.  I’ll put it up on the screen.  This is the alert, a travel alert over Arizona immigration law. This is how the USA Today reported it on Wednesday.  “The country warned that the state’s adoption of a strict immigration enforcement law has created `a negative political environment for migrant communities and for all Mexican visitors.’
    “`It must be assumed that every Mexican citizen may be harassed and questioned without further cause at any time,’ according to the foreign ministry.” The president, President Calderon, with whom you’ll meet soon has talked about criminalizing–”this law criminalizes a largely social and economic phenomenon of migration.” This is a pretty big shot across the bow to America here.
    SEC’Y CLINTON:  Well, it is, and, and I think if you look at it, again, you have a lot of unanswered questions.  This law, which is clearly a result of the frustration that people in Arizona and their elected officials feel about the difficulty of enforcing the law along our border and preventing the continued immigration, people who are not documented.  But on the other hand, it is written so broadly that if you were visiting in Arizona and you had an accent and you were a citizen from, you know, my state, of New York, you could be subjected to the kind of inquiry that is call–that this law permits.

  • lorac

    Did he only want to learn how to take off?  Not learning how to land might save some money on teaching fees…..  :(

  • Carmen

    Not all legal latin immigrants are upset about this law, I am not! We came here legally in 1960, we went  through the process. These people  are making us all look bad. We NEVER took anything from the goverment EVER, we openened businesses, we have a co. that  employes about 50 people. I think the USA should say fair is fair and put in place the  same laws  here, that Mexico enforces against their illegals in their country. I thank God everyday that I live  in best country on earth.

  • Anthony

    I’m gonna use that next time I have to have a conversation with a drone, lorac.
    Thanks a bunch

  • lorac

    TexMex – I was repeating what I have read in articles.  But whatever they’re using, it’s not theirs, correct?

    Why would we hate you because of your screen name?  It doesn’t say “I’m illegal”.  This isn’t about hispanics.  This is about lawbreakers.

    (although I suspect I wouldn’t like your soup – probably too spicy for me! lol)

  • sowsear

    They told us to get lost last election cycle. They don’t need us. They’ll just try amnesty..

  • sowsear

    They told us to get lost last election cycle. They don’t need us. They’ll just try amnesty..

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I am an American with a British accent.

  • lorac

    Then castigate them both, not just the one you don’t agree with. That’s the point.

    And the dem party is now like Obama.  Watch what they do, not what they say.  I’ve waited most of my life to have ERA passed.  It’s just a joke.  And it was the dems who were misogynistic towards Hillary and then Sarah.  They are not the party of women or gays.  They just play it that way on TV.

  • sowsear

    Funny….

  • Jackie

    How about:  “If you make illegal aliens legal, then next you’ll be letting men marry donkeys!  Then next you’ll be demanding that child molesters can live next to children!” 
     
    (well, that’s what they do with the subject of gay marriage, so I’m throwing it back!)”

    It’s a stupid comparison whether we’re discussing gay marriage, or illegal immigrants.  Neither are comparable to men marrying donkeys, or allowing child predators close to children.  Obviously.

  • lorac

    I’m sure all the ranchers and border cops shot at and killed recently feel better now.

  • Jackie

    Funny. Notice though how Jackie automatically assumes that everyone in their race will stand up for each other, regardless of the reality of the situation in real life. Race transcends all, because people like Obama and Jackie are inheriantly racist in it’s logic.”

    I don’t automatically assume that at all.  It just has a funny way of becoming more likely when idiots pass a law TARGETING AN ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUP FOR RACIAL PROFILING.

  • HARP

    Most support Arizona’s impending immigration enforcement law and a solid 78 percent think the federal government should do more to keep illegal immigrants from getting into the U.S. where, Katie Couric noted in citing the new poll numbers, “hundreds of thousands of them now live in Arizona.” So, how did CBS take these hardly surprising findings? Couric fretted “many” of those illegals “no longer feel welcome.”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2010/05/03/cbs-frets-illegal-aliens-no-longer-feel-welcome-and-problem

  • lorac

    Besides requiring people to learn English, I would like them to reinstate the higher quota for European people (they lowered it and raised it for 3rd world countries), because I would really appreciate the increased diversity.  I went on a vacation recently, and most of the staff was from different European countries – so many cultures, so many first languages.  It was so cool!

  • BuzzLatte

    I has to do with him coming in previous to 1996 if I remember correctly.

  • Anthony

    I don’t automatically assume that at all.  It just has a funny way of becoming more likely when idiots pass a law TARGETING AN ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUP FOR RACIAL PROFILING. ”

    CLEAN UP IN AISLE 5   –   CLEAN UP IN AISLE 5, PLEASE!

    (My god, its really treacherous stepping around all these troll droppings….)

  • lorac

    Obviously the point is to clean up your own house, first.

  • Carmen

    “No longer feel welcome” LOL! what an idiot! I say they should go back and get in the friggin line and go through the process.

  • lorac

    So pink bunnies are beneath you now?  :)

  • EllenD

    Interestingly enough, one woman’s complaint in Phoenix is that teens can’t get summer jobs flipping burgers etc. because the jobs require you to be bilingual.

  • EllenD

    Thanks, oowawa. It matches nicely my non story about being in downtown during the May 1st demonstration.
    My, aren’t we boring?

  • HARP

    The suspect, named as Faisal Shahzad, was arrested trying to board a flight to Dubai at New York’s JFK airport.

    He has a good tea party name.

  • lorac

    I guess they should just waste time and taxpayer money to question everyone, instead of just the hispanic caucasians which IS the population of those coming illegally over our southern border.  (So actually it’s not racial profiling, it would be ethnic profiling, anyway)

    Well, I sure hope we aren’t invaded by martians.  We won’t be able to defend ourselves, because targeting the green invaders would be racial profiling OH MY!

  • Peggy Sue

    Well, that’s certainly a change in the balance of things.  Dems are scrambling to back the tough new measure? 

    OMG!  What?  Are they beginning to listen?  Or maybe reading the tea leaves on the November elections?  But then, I’m not sure how Patrick squares “ensuring illegal aliens aren’t receiving state services,” while “supporting in-state college tuition for illegal aliens?”

    Contradiction anyone? 

    But still, an interesting turn.  Bad financial news will do that.   

  • lorac

    A flag in time saves soiled shoes!

  • EllenD

    People from “away” involved

    Nice turn of phrase. Is it Southern?

  • Peggy Sue

    Yo!  Watch what you say about New Jersey.  Some of us are sensitive about our home states. ;)

  • Peggy Sue

    You read the whole transcript–the question and the full answer, you find a much more reasoned Hillary response.  I don’t agree with the NY comparison but this is far from a tar and feather event. 

    The media is “not” our friend.  And O’Reilly and Fox will put their own spin on things.  Just like all the other so-called “news” outlets.

    Thanks for putting that up, Anthony.

  • EllenD

    Well, I remember when I first came here on my green card, the first thing I did is march around demanding things ;)

  • EllenD

    I suspect she meant New Yorkers with a foreign accent. She probably doesn’t believe native New Yorkers have an accent.

  • lorac

    ROFL Harp!

  • jwrjr

    Illegal Alien is an Ethnic group?

  • jwrjr

    Maybe that is because being illegal, they aren’t welcome?

  • felizarte

    Someone should comb the welfare rolls and find out how many people of foreign origin are in it especially those receiving Supplementary Income benefits.  Many seniors could conceivably collect anywhere from $500-$800 and cross over to the borders north or south.  If south, the exchange rate definitely is in their favor.  The whole idea of welfare assistance is to have the low income inject those funds into the local US economy.  Not only do the recipients not pay any income taxes, they don’t spent the money in the country and pay sales taxes on purchases.  This country is being drained and taxpayers are being taken to the cleaners.  I can’t help but think that perhaps it is an unspoken conspiracy to bring this country down to the same misery that might exist in their countries.  If I get called a racist for making such comments–so be it.

  • lorac

    Just like a Canadian – mean, demanding, some of you force us to use French in our own country, and you probably demanded that the whole of Niagara Falls become Canadian land!  /snark off!

  • EllenD

    It is also a law that millions of American businesses throughout the nation break on a daily basis in order to stay in business.

    Nonsense. The people who own these businesses should be prosecuted. Employing people in their own country to save money is one thing (outsourcing) but employing illegal aliens here is against the law. Period. They shouldn’t be in business.

  • Anthony

    Well, I sure hope we aren’t invaded by martians.  We won’t be able to defend ourselves, because targeting the green invaders would be racial profiling OH MY!”
    *********************************************

    And totally put the kabosh on The Changeling’s plan to invade Mars..  Pity, when things go so wrong…

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The US – the Constitutional US – has never had an “Open Border” policy. Immigration policy became stricter as the nation grew and progressed.

    At the time the Statue of Liberty arrived from France, US immigration law prohibited convicts, prostitutes, UNSKILLED labor and others from entering the US. Unescorted women were deported.

    The poem on the Statue that reads “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…” is just a poem, not a policy.

    We are a Nation of Immigrants, but also a Nation of Laws.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Carmen - If I may speak collectively, We are glad to have you.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “a law TARGETING AN ENTIRE ETHNIC GROUP FOR RACIAL PROFILING.” 

    Jackie, can you please point out the section of the law that specifies or targets a race or ethnic group. I have read the entire law, and darned if I can find your claim anywhere.

    In fact due to representations such as yours, AZ passed a companion law clarifying the point that racial profiling is not permitted. “This law shall be enforced without regard to race, color, religion, age, sex, disability or National origin.”

    Racial Profiling is not permitted under this law.

    If your contention is that the Police or other government agencies will profile anyway, you must be assuming they were profiling prior to this law. This law does not grant a new authority to profile.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The Arizona Daily Star
    The addition of about 100 Border Patrol agents in Nogales last year helped the border city achieve its lowest crime rate in five years.
    Reports of crimes such as burglary and auto theft hit five-year lows. There were no homicides, for the first time in five years, and just 11 robberies.
    Local law enforcement officials attribute the improvement largely to Operation Safeguard ’99, an attempt by the Border Patrol to seal the Nogales border from illegal crossings.

    Adding more border agents kept some illegals out. But it also pushed them elsewhere in the State, like into Phoenix.

    And 10 years later the illegal problem has gotten out of hand for the rest of AZ.

    Obama has proposed eliminating Border Agent jobs to cut the Fed budget. In view of the above story, what will be the effect of cutting border agents?

    What should AZ do about the Illegal Problem Jackie? Pretend it does not exist like you do?

  • kenoshamarge

    Everytime I hear about “their” rights I am confused. What rights? Human rights, definately. Everyone has human rights and we need to respect and enforce those. But these people have no civil rights in our country. They are ILLEGALS!

    Of course that word is usually left out when they media is trying to paint anyone that wants secure borders as anti-immigrant and racist.

  • kenoshamarge

    Brooklyn?

  • kenoshamarge

    [blockquote] “Couric fretted “many” of those illegals “no longer feel welcome.” [/blockquote]

    One of the reasons I don’t watch Katie Courac. She’s there to “report” the news. Something any halfwit can read off the teleprompter. Her “fretting” is no substitute for journalism which is something she commits as seldom as possible. But it’s hard to be a journalist and a biased asshat at the same time. You see her dilemma?

  • kenoshamarge

      ”Couric fretted “many” of those illegals “no longer feel welcome.”   
     
    One of the many reasons I don’t waste my time watching Katie Courac. She’s there to “report” the news. Something any halfwit can read off the teleprompter.

    Her “fretting” is no substitute for journalism which is something she commits as seldom as possible. But it’s hard to be a journalist and a biased asshat at the same time. You see her dilemma?

  • Noogan

    Poll: MAJORITY BACKS ARIZONA IMMIGRATION BILL

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004030-503544.html

    Weak-kneed Republicans really need to re-consider their pandering act. Can you hear me now, Karl Rove, Jeb Bush, Rick Perry? 

  • Noogan

    We are a Nation of Immigrants, but also a Nation of Laws.

    Nicely put. 

  • elizabethrc

    THEY demand?  It’s about time WE started demanding that they leave, that their cohorts learn to speak English and stop coming here to have their anchor babies.
    I’m not ever going to apologize for being white (I’m neither proud nor not proud about it…it’s just what I am), and I learned awhile back that a non-response to being called racist have the best effect.  It drives the jerks nuts. 
    America for Americans (and that would include legal immigrants who come here to live the American dream and embrace our culture)!

  • Bob

    The two premises of your argument against illegal immigration are costs to states and crime. I think you need to read the research. Illegals pay taxes with some studies showing that as many as 60% of them actually filing federal income taxes. So most of them pay as much taxes as you and me. In addition, there are studies that show that illegals use the healthcare system far less than everyone else and that they, being undocumented, do not collect social security or other benefits even thought they pay into them. So, net-net, it is not fair to say the illegals cost states or are an economic drain. In fact, there are also studies that say that they are a net positive to the economy and may actually put more into the tax pool than they take out.

    As for your other point about crime, there are also studies that say illegals are responsible for far fewer crimes than your average citizen, which makes sense given that the last thing an illegal wants to do is have contact with the police. In terms of border crime, almost all of that is from the drug trade, which is entirely different than illegal immigration. There is nothing in the AZ bill which will stop the drug trade and the crime associated with it.

    Amy, I suggest you read some of the academic studies about illegals, rather than quoting a bunch of politicians who are only using illegal immigration as a wedge issue to gain political points. I think you will find that the impact of illegal immigration on the U.S. and the U.S. economy is very different than what you have been lead to believe. 

    It is funny. People like you want to blame the illegals for something, but where is you anger for all the white-owned business that hire illegals. illegals are more or less invited into this country by these white-owned businesses. If there were no jobs then there would be no illegals. I think your anger is misplaced.

    In addition, illegal immigration has been around for a long time, actually since the beginning of the U.S. (was actually no illegal or legal immigration many years ago), so why all the controversy now. Because far-right politicians have made it a wedge issue. Illegals as a percentage of the population has really not changed all that much (12 million / 350 million = 3% or hispanic illegals about 8.5 million / 350 million = 2.4%).  It is entirely all about racism. Many people in this country cannot stand the browning of American, although most of that browning or 95% of it is from legal hispanic Americans and not illegals. 

    As for the immigration protests, they have been far bigger than anything the tea party has been able to do. There were over 100,000 in Washington just a month ago, before the AZ law was even inacted. 

    I think you need to get use to the fact that the hispanic population in the U.S. plays an important and positive role in this country and it is growing in power. You teaparty people are just going to have to get use to it. By offending all hispanics in AZ you and the Republicans are shooting yourselves in the foot regarding a very large political segment.

  • Guest

    I do believe in guest worker programs that encourage illegal immigrants to be good citizens by offering them the chance to earn actual citizenship. Certainly near where I live in Southwest Michigan not all farmers who hire seasonal labor are always in compliance with all the regulations. Because if there are agricultural visas that are available but go unnfilled, I suppose it must mean the workers are either improperly hired or not being paid the wages they should.  
     
    But the competition for farm labor across states and with other industries such as construction and service is important for recruitment. Being treated with respect not only helps keep conditions humane, clean and well maintained but gives the good workers an strong incentive to return. 

    They’re people to be appreciated because if it wasn’t for them, the blueberries and apples would be falling on the ground which deals a potential death blow to already suffering local economies.

  • betty

    “ He currently works as a foreman on state-financed construction projects, he said.”

    I read this late last night and woke up this morning thinking what a nice little loose thread this is hanging out of Obama’s Illinois Combine (combination of republican and democrat) Pay to Play government. 

    Both parties stink to high heaven.

  • sasabedave

    How about this, if you employ an illegal alien, the Government seizes your property, sells it and uses the funds to pay for the illegal aliens care, ie.welfare, ADC, health services etc.

  • Bob

    Actually, crime has been steadily falling in AZ over the last few years. So, not sure there is a relationship between crime and illegals. Studies show that illegals are responsible for far fewer crimes than average American citizens. Of course if you add more police officers crimes will go down in general, but crime is already very low in AZ. In addition, most of the border crime is related to the drug trade, which really has not much to do with illegal immigration. There is nothing in this AZ bill that will reduce the drug trade and the crimes related to it. If this bill was going to reduce crime I am sure there would be much bigger support for the bill amongst the police agencies in AZ. Many police agencies are actually against the bill. Crime and illegals is just a false wedge issue made up by politicians. I challenge you to show me the studies that say that illegals are responsible for a lot of crime in this country? Don’t give me one off newspaper articles, but actual academic studies!

  • anon

    This is not Mexicans vs Americans it’s drugs.  The users and the sellers.  Without drugs being involved there would be peace onthe border.  People involved with drugs become inhumane, no matter which side of the Rio Grande they are on.

  • Jackie

    Then castigate them both, not just the one you don’t agree with. That’s the point.”

    That doesn’t make any sense.  If I agree with a party’s platform and their efforts at implementing it, I’m not going to “castigate” for it.  I’m going to castigate the opposition for opposing the policy views I have.

    “They are not the party of women or gays”

    The vast majority of women and gays would disagree with you.

  • audacity of hype

    The Democratic party lost me in May 2008.  I don’t know if I will ever join their ranks again.  Having bought into their party line as defenders of women and gays for so long, it was a real eye opener and gut wrenching discovery to realize how hypocritical the party leadership was.  I grew up understanding the hypocrisy of the far right — tha was a known quantity.  Seeing the hypocrisy, intellectual selfishness and emotional infantalism of the left was a real shocker to me.  Finding a leader who can bridge the nutjobs on the far ends of the spectrums is a real challenge.  Too bad for the nation, it chose to go with baby boy wonder whose claim to leadership was that he showed up and wrote fictional accounts of his derring do’s  while being paid by our tax dollars over a true leader who had proven experience at working both sides of the aisles and who has a better understand of history,constitutional law and diplomacy than Little Boots will ever have.

  • Breeze

    -

    “Weak-kneed Republicans really need to re-consider their pandering act. Can you hear me now, Karl Rove, Jeb Bush, Rick Perry?”
    ————————————————————————————————–

    More like each has his own agenda! 

  • Breeze

    -

    PRO-IMMIGRATION VIOLENCE ESCALATES

    The Washington Times Editorial
    May 4, 2010

    Blatant falsehoods about Arizona’s new immigration law keep piling up. Not only is the substance of the law grossly distorted, the liberal media is demonizing anyone who supports the reform and minimizing any wrongs by those opposing it.

    Compare the media’s hostile treatment of peaceful Tea Party protests to the sometimes violent leftist demonstrations against Arizona’s law. No Tea Party demonstrators have been arrested during anti-government gatherings, and none has thrown rocks or broken bottles at police. This pacifist Tea Party track record spans multiple national demonstrations with crowds ranging from 300,000 at the April 15 Tax Day protest to around a million at September’s demonstration against Obamacare.

    The number of leftist agitators against Arizona’s new immigration bill are far smaller. Yet, from the very first demonstration in Phoenix when the bill was signed on April 23, liberal protests have been marked by violence and arrests. In Chicago last week, the local Fox station reported that “police clashed with demonstrators” and protesters blocked vehicles; 24 were arrested. A Sunday march in Santa Cruz, Calif., damaged 18 businesses, with repair costs reaching an estimated $100,000. In San Francisco, three people were beaten by protesters, with two arrested. During a pro-illegal-immigration protest outside the White House on Saturday, 35 were arrested. The list goes on.

    The same media bias comes into play when charges of fascism are bandied about against political opponents. In August, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tarred Tea Partiers as fascists because – she claimed – they were “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” The charges were broadcast by media nationwide. But when pushed for evidence to back up her claim, Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami provided The Washington Times with a single picture of a Tea Partier carrying a poster of a swastika with a line drawn through it, clearly signaling that fascist policies should be banned, which was the opposite of Mrs. Pelosi point.

    Leftists are dusting off the old Nazi slur to use against their opponents in this new immigration debate. A Google news search found more than 900 news stories for “Arizona immigration law Nazi.” A review of the articles found very few cases where charges of racism were questioned. Disgraced Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony “compared Arizona to Nazi Germany,” according to the Los Angeles Times. A Houston Chronicle headline informed that “Signs depict [Arizona] Gov. [Jan] Brewer as Nazi at Dallas rally.” KNX radio in Los Angeles reported signs labeling Mrs. Brewer as “the next Hitler.” Cindy Lugo, a Long Beach City College student, ranted, “I think what [Mrs. Brewer is] doing in Arizona is similar to what Hitler did in Germany.” It’s a safe assumption Cindy isn’t a history major.

    Amidst all this hate-filled rhetoric by liberals and Democrats across the country, President Obama went on the attack against conservatives for criticizing government. “But what troubles me is when I hear people say that all of government is inherently bad,” the president said. “It can send signals to the most extreme elements of our society that perhaps violence is a justifiable response.” Mr. Obama knows violent extremist elements pretty well – they currently are his most vocal supporters.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Exactly, lorac – somer are, some aren’t, just like anyone else.  It was just  ridiculous distinction because, as you say, the issue isn’t if they are good people or not – the issue is LEGALITY.

  • kenoshamarge

    They are worried about losing votes not about what’s best for the country as a whole. Dems start screaming racist, illegals march through the streets “demanding” their rights and Republicans, in many cases head for the hills. It’s all about power, not about what’s right or best or the country. Just because I believe that the Democratic Party is a corrupt and dishonest bunch of asshats doesn’t mean I don’t think the same about the GOP.

    I get a “twitch” between my shoulder blades and an urge to hang onto my wallet whichever party is trying to “help” me.

  • sowsear

    If I may be so impolitically correct, I would also mention education. It would be nice to have immigrants with some “book learnin” and skills.

  • sowsear

    This the idea:

  • Docelder

    No, just tell us which other laws, besides immigration law people can and should break because they aren’t fair. Make us a list wise one.

  • creeper

    I lived in Houston for twenty years.  Ozzie Guillen is partially right…most Hispanics here legally ARE workaholics.  When we put a new roof on our house the roofer showed up with a swarm of Hispanic laborers.  In two days they removed the old roof, replaced flashing and re-roofed three thousand square feet.  It was a first-class job, too.

    What Guillen fails to acknowledge is that the Arizona immigration law isn’t about those people.  It’s about the drug-runners and coyotes and lawless gangs who sneer at our borders, laugh at our laws and kill anyone who gets in their way.

    The left is doing their damndest to convince Americans that Arizona’s law is going to send everyone of Hispanic heritage back where they came from.  It’s another Obama lie, of course, crafted to sway public opinion toward granting citizenship to anyone who makes it across the border, legally or not.  That the Democrat party has a lock on those votes makes it imperative this comes to pass, since Barry’s losing us “typical” white voters by the millions.

  • Carmen

    Thank You all!

  • creeper

    Oh, that’s just stupid.  Here’s the deal:  You’re from New Yawk.  You’re visiting Arizona.  You’re stopped for some reason.  You show your NY drivers license, sign the ticket and you’re on your way.

    What part of this do they not get?

    Unfortunately, this is what I’m coming to expect from Shillary.

  • Sassy

    I’m fretting that our southern border is an “open” secret. We know millions have crossed illegally. Terrorists should be teaching Spanish to all their recruits!
    I’m also fretting that despite the sacrifices of my ancestors, my descendents will soon find this country unfit to live in!
    We are surrounded by predators…politicians, money wizards, and common street thugs!

  • creeper

    Exactly, aoh.  Write on.

  • Docelder

    If illegals file taxes it is to get refunds. How do you do that without a Social Security number? You don’t which means they have a false one, or are using their kids numbers to file under. But you are wrong to paint all hispanic people as illegals supporters. Obama wants this, the media wants this, they want this to be about race. But it is about law. If immigrants won’t follow our laws here, do we even want them? So, if immigration law is unfair and it’s o.k. to ignore it… tell us what other of our laws are unfair and which law it is o.k. to ignore? Since illegals and their supporters are making their own interpretation of our constitution and laws, lets see the whole take on it. What do illegals want our legal system to be anyway?

  • oowawa

    Well, I have to admit I’ve aged a lot since this picture was taken . . .

  • tango

    I do see that the government will issue individual Tax Id numbers. But per the IRS, tax id numbers does not authorize work in the US, etc.

    “What is an ITIN?
    An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a range of 70-88 in the fourth and fifth digit, example 9XX-70-XXXX.
    IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
    ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have a U.S. filing or reporting requirement under the Internal Revenue Code.
    Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.
    What is an ITIN used for?
    ITINs are for federal tax reporting only, and are not intended to serve any other purpose. An ITIN does not authorize work in the U.S. or provide eligibility for Social Security benefits or the Earned Income Tax Credit. ITINs are not valid identification outside the tax system.
    IRS issues ITINs to help individuals comply with the U.S. tax laws, and to provide a means to efficiently process and account for tax returns and payments for those not eligible for Social Security Numbers.
    Who needs an ITIN?
    IRS issues ITINs to foreign nationals and others who have federal tax reporting or filing requirements and do not qualify for SSNs. A non-resident alien individual not eligible for a SSN, who is required to file a U.S. tax return only to claim a refund of tax under the provisions of a U.S. tax treaty, needs an ITIN.
    Examples of individuals who need ITINs include:
    Non-resident alien filing a U.S. tax return and not eligible for a SSN U.S. resident alien (based on days present in the United States) filing a U.S. tax return and not eligible for a SSN Dependent or spouse of a U.S. citizen/resident alien Dependent or spouse of a non-resident alien visa holder

    http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html#what

  • creeper

    EllenD, I agree with you to some extent.  But I would like to ask what an employer is supposed to do when presented with “identification”. 

    Two years ago ICE raided a kosher meat-packing plant in Postville, Iowa.  Two hundred nine-seven illegals were deported.  Every last one of them had provided indentification to the employer and that is what they were deported for–identity theft, not for being here illegally.

    Are we to turn our HR people into detectives, scrambling to verify every piece of information on an application?  How far would you have an employer go to verify the status of an employee?  And just how are they supposed to do that, anyway?

    This is not as simple as you make it sound.

  • tango

    $20 says the guy is using some other legal residents SSN. He could’ve been working for them for years way before the rules became so strict.  A fake license and borrowing someone elses SS card could’ve done the trick. Who knows?

  • oowawa

    The illegals aren’t feeling welcome?

    Well, maybe Mayor Gavin Newsome should invite the illegals over to to his Sanctuary City by the Bay for a little Welcome Wagon celebration.

    Come all without, come all within,
    You’ve not seen nothing like the mighty Gavin . . .

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Audacity of Hype, yes – I know exactly what you mean.  Right there with ya…

  • creeper

    sows, that doesn’t look like the right shape for a book.  Too square.  It looks more like a DVD or video game.  Maybe “Combate Mortal”?

  • Sassy

    Speaking of mayors, we need a new one, so I’ll be legally voting today!

  • Docelder

    This is what we are dealing with from the left. Look at this definition of racism. By this definition, racism could not even exist except in white people. How do you even reason with people like this? What is the point? This is the kind of thing that enables koolaid stupor. By definition, this particular definition of racism is in itself racist.

    http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/brochures/racism.aspx

  • Carmen

    The argument  against illegals is because they are “Illegal” As a latina I don’t think people here are offending us! I think they are talking about the law of the land! Get used to this ,Tea Party people can vote, and vote we will !!

  • Diana L. C.

    Heck, there have been stories here in CO of the fast food chains providing English lessons to employees. 

  • Jackie

    Excellent point, Bob.

  • Anthony

    You’re welcome, Peggy Sue.  Yes, its far from a “tar and feather” moment, but that characterization of the AZ bill is pure hyperbole.  The fact is that if the Federal laws were being upheld, individual states wouldn’t have to take action.

    Lets face it – this isn’t about racial profiling, or any of the other BS the MSM is trying to get us to believe its about.  Its about politics.

    The Republicans see illegals as cheap labor, the Democrats see them as votes.

    If we looked at them as just people, we could solve this problem immediately.  Either you broke a law or you didn’t.  If you break laws, there are penalties.  If not, you’re left alone. Period

  • Diana L. C.

    Tex Mex–I happen to know that your comments often reflect the truth about the way things are.  I live here where there are many, many immigrants from Mexico–illegal and legal.  I know how it works and doesn’t work.  For instance, RRRA’s  comment in her post after this statement–”He currently works as a foreman on state-financed construction projects, he said”–shows I think that many don’t understand the ways things work with people who are parents of “anchor babies, ” as clearly this man is.  I knew that, as you said, he most likely has a tax ID—something you have constantly brought up. 

    And tano’s post of the tax Id regulations has this in it:  “An ITIN does not authorize work in the U.S. or provide eligibility for Social Security benefits or the Earned Income Tax Credit. ITINs are not valid identification outside the tax system. ”  What it says is these workers pay taxes but don’t get to have any kind of return if they overpay and have no SS benefits.

    Am I right on that?  So in that regard, the guy in paying in and getting no government benefit? 


    The whole illegal immigration problem has become far more complicated than most people, thinking in their black/white, either/or, right/wrong (no inbetween) way have a hard time understanding that.

    The problem has been allowed to fester and grow until it’s almost unfixable at this point–at least without a good review with all parties participating and then clear and quick enforcement after a comprehensive law is rewritten. 

    Problem is, it will be done in a partisan, patchwork quilt of special interest lobbying, pork barrel deals, etc.—just like the HC bill.

    This is the first issue that has really made me want to find a different country to move to–or at least finda home isolated somewhere in this large country so as to be as far away from the real riots and civil unrest when it comes.

    (Sorry for the boldface type-I tried and couldn’t get it to turn off.)

  • Peggy Sue

    You should be running for office, Anthony.  Why can’t we get reasonable response like yours in Washington?

    Oh, that’s right–politics. 

    I absolutely agree with your assessment, btw.  

  • Freedom Fighter

    You’re finally catching on Tex-Mex Soup. They do hate you and aren’t going to listen to anything you have to say. They believe all the stereotypes and lies that the right-wing is filling their heads with because it makes them feel better.

    Don’t leave the site though. Stay on and provide them with the real facts. Then some others like yourself will eventually see the light, too.

  • Anthony

    FF- Flush it or take it with you.

    Your troll droppings are getting out of hand.

  • Anthony

    FF- Flush it or take it with you. 
     
    Your troll droppings are getting out of hand.

  • oowawa

    What a dip-shit you are, Freedom Fighter.

  • NoBama

    Another great article, Rev Amy!  My brother lives in AZ and it’s downright scary out there.  Meanwhile the people who are living in fear are getting chastised by the elite who live thousands of miles away in gated communities.  I wish the legally immigrated community would push back against this ridiculous spin.  

    Thanks for your dedication to this blog, Amy.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    yes sowsear I see the injustice and I also agree and if anyone pays attention to my post I always say that.  but what you need to realize is the hatred that comes out of people being against illegal immigration.  People de humanize illegals and make them sound like they are pieces of shit, I don’t understand how someone who is gay for example and is upset they are not getting equal rights piles on the hate when it comes to illegals? why the hypocrisy?

    And also trust me, I am more “American” as far as generation wise than many on here and I still get lumped in to the beaner category and quite frankly it pisses me off.

    And lastly, people on here really and I mean really need to educate themselves on what the government HAS ALLOWED to transpire and point the finger in the right direction

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    shut the hell up FF’er you are the first to pile on the hate.

    NUMERO UNO!!

  • oowawa

    Tex-Mex Soup asks: “Do you guys hate me too because of my screen name? I’ve been wondering.”  Tex-Mex, speaking for myself, I assure you that I hold you in the highest regard as a fellow commenter.  I have a deep respect and admiration for Mexican culture.  I have a huge collection of Mexican and Tex-Mex music–mariachi, banda, conjunto–all the styles.  I like the Mexican people a lot.  This anguish over the immigration problem is not based on racism or personal animosity. 

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    its all good lorac.  I just sometimes want to point out what many don’t see.

    now when it comes to the Tax ID’s.  You are incorrect in your assumption.  The illegals go down to the IRS and fill out a W-7 with their information and get work with it and pay taxes and get the same benefits we do.

  • Diana L. C.

    Tex-Mex Soup–the only negative image your name calls up for me is the thought of eating menudo.  (Wasn’t there a singing group by the name Menudo once?)  In any case, I am a vegetarian, and your name may not be a reference to menudo at all, so my only prejudice is against eating anything with flesh in the recipe.)

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    Oh thank god, someone actually reads my post Diana :*

    I work closely with the Hispanic community through my real estate practice and I deal with this every single day.  I just had a guy come to my office who literally made me cry.  He came here since he was 15, dirt poor from Mexico.  He works construction, speaks English and all he wants is to become a citizen like many others.  He said he calls himself American and his favorite holiday is 4th of July. He was sincere too, I was so proud of him and  made me step back and think of the misguided hate I sometimes have for the illegals. Its just wrong.  His employers have tried to get him his green card but he has been denied so he lives in the shadows that way.  BUT he has his tax ID, pays taxex and supports his family.  He will not take a handout.

    With this being said, too many lump all the illegals into a hateful category and again demonize these people.  And of course many say they are against ALL illegal immigration but if you read further up, they would like the Europeans (ie white) to be here more.   Its all about the mexicans, the dark skinned people the hate is directed too.  They are the majority that are here but that is because they are are fucking neighbors, Europe is not our neighbor. We can’t control that.

    The reality is people need to realize that the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT has invited these people here by keeping our borders unchecked and employers hiring them.  and NO they do not work for slave labor as others have posted also.  Thats just dumb.  I’m sure there is a group that is being manipulated that way but that is a stat we cannot control.  Its the nature of the beast.

    I just think people need to educate themselves about how easy it is for an illegal to gain employment through the efforts from our govt.

    Get angry at the government and stop piling on the hate at these people.  Well on the piece of shit criminals we can all hate on them and they need to get the hell out of this country BUT as long as the borders go unchecked they will come right back in.

    And I do believe we should not grant automatic citizenship to babies from illegals.  perhaps a path to citizenship when they turn 18 but I don’t believe in the anchor baby mentality and I do not condone that.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    and let me ad FF’er.  I have seen the light? this coming from a gringo who has never known what it is to be denied employment or treated differently because of the color of your skin or last name?

    Gimme a fucking break.  You don’t know shit about what you are talking about and hate to burst your stupid bubble, affirmative action does not work for latinos baby so don’t mix the latino plight with the black plight in this country.  Its different.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    tango the work with TAX ID’s

    http://www.cis.org/IRSTaxID-ImmigrationLaw

    its an old article as the number of illegals with Tax ID’s is much larger now but it gives you an idea of what our wonderful govt is doing but not tellin us.

  • Diana L. C.

    I understand completey what your comments are always trying to get across.  I know another one of the big problems, as I wrote once before, are the kids who graduate from our high schools but who are “illegal” because they are not anchor babies.  In an area where the hs graduation rate for Hispanics is very low, it’s nice to see some do well in school and actually graduate.  But once they do, their “illegal” status gets in their way of ever advancing.

    I’s a major problem here, but until the entire country–people in those areas where there aren’t many Hispanic immigrants–really understand the way the system has worked for a long, long time, and until we sit down and INTELLIGENTLY handle the entire problem with a complete overhaul of the system and then ENFORCEMENT, this issue is going to tear our country to pieces.

  • Docelder

    People need to get the chips off their shoulders. Everything isn’t about clanism or skin tone color matches. Actually, not much is about that in the real world. We are bleeding jobs, we are living off our capital as a nation and borrowing from China just to try to hang onto our standard of living. Of course people are pissed about illegals. Illegals of every damn color and creed. I am equally pissed about all of them right now. I would no more rather have undocumanted Russians as Mexicans as illegals. Either do it right, apply legally, wait your damn turn or get the fuck out if that isn’t good enough. I lived in Texas for 15 years. I knew a lot of hispanic people. Most adult people who are based in reality aren’t going to play in this pity party. There are a lot of reasons these countries are dirt poor. Right now, our government is making most of the same mistakes the third world countries are making. Want to know why Americans are pissed? Because we see that our kids will have a lower standard of living than we do. And we see that we won’t retire as well off as our parents did. That has zilch to to with the skin tone of Mexicans… sorry get over it.

  • oowawa

    Here’s a little tribute to Tejano culture.  This is one of my favorite songs in this genre and is very well known.  It’s called “Las Nubes” (The Clouds), by Little Joe & La Familia.  In this video, note how it is tied in with Cesar Chavez and the UFW.  It is very noteworthy to remember how the UFW under Chavez saw illegal immigrants as strikebreakers and understood that illegal immigration had to be controlled. 

  • carol haka

    Who cares what they do?

    If a murderer in prison cooks breakfast for all of his peers or does their laundry or makes license plates, they are still criminals.

    Illegals are criminals.  Round ‘em up, move them out.

    >:o

  • Essex Street

    Who cares if the Hispanic ball players boycott the all-star game.  AZ should stand as is, and let the protesters show just exactly what kind of  people they are – many illegals, and many anarchists who just love this sort of thing.  The latter love the Democratic party who gives so many opportunities to these thugs.

  • Obamastolemyhealthcare

    Isn’t that a terroristic threat?  I thought we had laws against terroristic threats?

  • Obamastolemyhealthcare

    I saw that, too.  I am no longer thrilled with Hillary these days.

    I’ve lost that loving feeling :’(

    I have lost all respect for Dems now.  She was the last and I reached my last straw with her and Bill starting to be divisive with the tea parties and now this.  Democrats are divisive and I wish the Clintons would not have decided to play along with Barakula.

  • Docelder

    This anguish over the immigration problem is not based on racism or personal animosity. - Same here. But with ine difference. I resent the hell out of having to say that. We shouldn’t have to. The whole idea that there is a color wheel of compasion just pisses me off to be honest about it. I think I am having racism fatigue here. Enough already.

  • Docelder

    So, what is the legitimate use of ITIN numbers? Maybe to let banks pay interest on deposits? I could see that. I can’t imagine they were intended fro illegal aliens to use for employment.

  • Docelder

    I know. This is what it looks like. Anything that increases democrat voters and anything that disparages white people. These new democrat morons are getting real old real fast.

  • Docelder

    Wait until Katie gets a little older and she gets Barbara Waltered.

  • Docelder

    Yes, apply legally, wait your turn and do this the right way. Immigrate legally or get out. It is real damn simple and no color wheel is needed.

  • Docelder

    I don’t care if they have an all star game or not. Baseball should worry about baseball. Baseball needs to stay out of immigration.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    are you referring to me? I have a chip on my shoulder? LOL pardon me but fyou, I don’t have a chip on my shoulder, you don’t know me and if anyone has a chip on their shoulder read your fucking post again, YOU have a chip on YOUR shoulder.  people shouldn’t post about the mexicans ONLY.  Sorry but I was way over it before you sweetie, I’m simply pointing out the hate that gets piled on and again you don’t know the reality of the bullshit of get in line wait your turn crap.

    I just hope one day we as Americans are not in the same predicament of being dirt fucking poor, no work, no food and we need to feed our families, I’m pretty sure we would all be saying the hell with waiting in ine, I don’t have time to wait.  Its easier said than done buddy!!

    and again for the last effin time, the US govt is ok with the illegals being here so YOU get over it.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    thank you oowawa.  I’m from San Antonio the heart of Tex-Mex culture.  We are Americans but yet we have grown up all our lives with the Mexican culture embedded in our lives.  ‘the battle of the Alamo was to liberate Texas from Mexico…. DUH, LOL….. Its who we are.  I’m not a Mexican though and I do not define myself that way. 

     But the reality is, the issue is being defined ONLY to be the Mexicans, well becuase they are the majority of the illegal population.  So others say its about ALL illegal immigration but there is NEVER a story about the chinese ilegals or the russian illegals.  So for someone to say its not about the Mexicans is very naive. 

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    I’m not a big fan of menudo 8-)

    San Antonio is the heart of Tex-Mex culture so that is where my name comes from and btw I’m married to a gringo so I can easily change my last name but I choose not to.  I don’t like his last name with my first name. It sounds weird, LOL

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    I’m not saying its racism docelder, I’m talking about the reality that the majority of the hate is against the Mexicans and if you don’t like the reality and if you don’t feel that way, its not the way that many others feel.  That is what I am pointing out and you are failing to see my point.  So DO NOT and I repeat myself DO NOT lump me into the racism category cause I sure as hell do not appreciate it.

    Are we kosher?? cause I am 

  • Onofre’s arm

    I didn’t read Doc’s comment as though it was about you Tex, I’m sure he was referring to the type of reactionaries and radicals who reflexively scream “RACISM”, every time the subject of illegal immigration comes up.

  • Guest

    If the labor market were not being filled by illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border, do you not think these positions would have to be filled by someone else ? If we were to bring more agricultural and service workers into the U.S. through a regularized process, the  immigrants would be less Mexican and more Arab, Muslim, South Asian, African etc. For those who want an idea of how this would impact American society, take a look at Europe. 
    :(

  • candymarl

    Peggy Sue:
    New Jersey  – New York’s parking lot! :-P

  • candymarl

    That happened to my husband. He received a Soc Sec statement of earnings with his SSN and another guy’s name.  We were both WTH??? We called Soc Sec and it appears to have been straighened out but still….

  • sowsear

    Exactly Tex Mex, I said that we are angry that our government is not enforcing our laws…No one in Washington is listening to us. We are accumulating all of our grievances starting with Obama’s fraudulent election, his deals with big Pharma, banks, Wall Street,etc. We see our way of life being eaten away by their greed and power seeking at our expense. 

    We do not see Hispanics as pieces of excrement, but no country is big enough or wealthy enough to take in all of the world’s poor. Every country in this world has immigration laws which they enforce…except us. Our goverment’s job is to protect its people first.

    The United States has never been uncharitable, but our resources are being strained to the limit now. Furthermore, there is no reason we should be made to feel guilty when we try to protect ourselves from illegals who feel they have right to come here regardless of our laws (even if our present and past governments have failed us).

  • Bob

    No they file taxes because they are paying income taxes through their job like everyone else does and therefore they do not want the tax man to come calling if they do not file their taxes. Educate yourself. Google “illegal immigrants pay taxes”. See the articles and studies and read them.

  • oowawa

    If I were a “community organizer,” and I wanted to stir up some major shit, I would be very interested in wedge issues that could foment inter-racial animosity.

  • Diana L. C.

    The “legitimate” use of ITIN numbers is this–companies get to hire people, pay them while taking out federal and state taxes and SS.  It’s basically “taxation without representation.”  It’s speaking out of both sides of our government’s mouth.  We’re not “authorizing” them to work here (Wink! Wink!) but we’re collecting our taxes anyway from them.   The people who have these IDs are willing to do this becuse they do want better lives for their children and they do have better lives here in the U.S. –their children, as Tex Mex Soup points out usually grow up thinking of themseles as American.   

    So all of us who are remotely sympathetic to the Tea Party movement could gain far more support from the Latino/Hispanic population by simply agreeing that AZ’s law is mostly aimed at helping law enforcement with some very REAL problems while at the same time urging a real look at this problem of “anchor” babies, tax IDs, and perhaps not having knee-jerk reactions when they talk of “paths to citizenship.”  What in the heck was the Boston Tea Party about if it wasn’t to a large extent an argument against taxation without representation.

  • Bob

    No they file taxes because they are paying income taxes through their job like everyone else does and therefore they do not want the tax man to come calling if they do not file their taxes. Educate yourself. Google “illegal immigrants pay taxes”. See the articles and studies and read them. And yes you can pay taxes without a social security number. Look it up and see how they do it.

  • arabella trefoil

    Oh what bullshit. I know black people who resent hispanics, people from the islands (Jamaica, etc.) who look down on American blacks, Puerto Ricans who resent Mexicans, Chinese people who don’t like white people, and French people who hate Americans.

    I live in one of the most multicultural areas in the country, and we all jostle along together just fine. But scratch the surface and anyone wll find lots of ethnic stereotying.

    Some of the worst fighting I’ve ever seen has been among people of the same ethnicity/race.

    And if the statistical trends keep going the way they are, whites will be a minority in this country eventually. I don’t care one way or another, but let’s enforce the law and close the borders.

    Just you wait until the drug violence (which keeps moving north) gets really bad. And it will get really bad.

  • Docelder

    again for the last effin time, the US govt is ok with the illegals being here so YOU get over it. – Yes, that is the sentiment I was reading between the lines when you were invoking the color wheel pity party above. Take that to La Raza.

  • Docelder

    Yes, and unfortunately, there is enough people willing to jump on the pity party based on the color they were born.

  • Diana L. C.

    I mean, think about it, the guy quoted in RRRA’s post has worked for 19 years having taxes deducted from his paycheck and knowing that he will not get many of the benefits that usually come from those taxes.

  • Docelder

    What you don’t know is I have been all over Mexico when I was a twenty something. Want to see real racism, I mean ugly racism… Look at how the spanish descendant Mexican people treat the Oaxacan Indian Mexican people. I also worked in a Dallas hood for five years. Want to see more real racism? Look at how light skinned blacks treat dark skinned blacks. It is ridiculous to be honest about it.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I don’t think there is hatred of Mexicans here.  I think there is anger that our laws are not being upheld, and that people who are here illegally are DEMANDING more rights than US citizens have.  None of us could go anywhere else, including Mexico, and make such demands while being there illegally.  So it isn’t directed at Mexicans per se,but at illegal immigrants in GENERAL.

    I might add, in reference to your comment upthread abt the man who came here at 15 – he can serve in the military and become a citizen.   There are other options rather than being here illegally. 

    None of us appreciates being lumped into a “racism” category, Tex-Mex.  All of us who supported Hillary have had that slur thrown at us more than once.  So I would caution you, too, against claiming people here are engaging in just that against Mexicans. We are not “piling on hate” against Mexicans.  We are expressing concern, anger, and even outrage that our federal government is not enforcing laws, that border states are dealing with extreme violence, influx of drugs, and gangs, and being treated as pariahs for trying to enforce the law.

  • sowsear

    It isn’t about skin color…it’s about unbridled illegal immigration, period.

    Our immigration laws should include control of who comes into the country and from where. It is not even logical to conclude that we should take in only Hispanics because they are near by and want to come in large numbers.
    We do need educated and skilled workers in the mix, even if they are white…

    We are all sorry that you are upset, Tex-Mex, but we are also victims, and I refuse to feel guilty about long term or short term illegals in our country.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well oowawa, that would make Satan the world’s greatest “community organizer”.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Just Me!  I appreciate that.  Sometimes the pest gets through, but we’re trying!  :-D

  • sowsear

    My husband has a grand-niece and grand nephew whose mother has some distant Hispanic blood. None of us in the family was ever aware of it until they applied for minority grant money to go to college, which they did receive. These kids were not in the least deprived…so I don’t get it.

  • Docelder

    Because everybody is so on the alert for color prejudice, yet nobody gives a crap about ageism.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    It isn’t jus drugs, Bob.  This is a huge issue in AZ: Phoenix has become a hub of human trafficking, and now it has kidnapping numbers that rival cities in Mexico because of smugglers who hold illegal immigrants hostage in drop houses in the city. The city’s crime rates are comparable with those of other big cities, but the presence of well-armed trafficking groups colors the picture.

  • Docelder

    We shouldn’t just deport people for identity theft. They should be imprisoned for a term first and then deported. Right now there is no incentive to do the right thing and every incentive not to.

  • sowsear

    The employer might have had a hint, if the majority of his employees were of one nationality. I know of a chicken processing plant in southern NYS where the supervisor is the one person who is bilingual (English and Spanish). I don’t think they will be raided, however…given the political climate in NYS.

  • BuzzLatte

    Yeah, type in illegal immigrants into wiki and see just how much the illegals benefit the US.

    Most of the information is taken from hispanic studies done as recently as 2008 and from information provided by the US federal government.

    There’s little benefit and illegal is still illegal.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Keven Hassett, an economist who “served as an economic adviser to the George W. Bush 2004 presidential campaign and as Senator John McCain’s chief economic adviser during the 2000 presidential primaries,” and “also served as a senior economic adviser to the McCain 2008 presidential campaign,” writes, “If Democratic majorities survive the backlash against big government in this election cycle, it will be because Republicans, the party of the right, became the Party of White.”

  • sowsear

    Longer title than that…can hyou magnify to 400?

  • ~~Justme~~

    LOL oowawa, as long as your around here when the going gets tough or a little hot under the collar who cares if you’ve aged or not!

  • sowsear

    Tough darts!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    WOW.  Enough said, indeed.  Thanks, jbjd!

  • sowsear

    Exactly, Sassy…

  • Docelder

    Well I can say the flippant “your government wants us here” type of responses just pisses me off. The people are the damn government here in this country. But people who don’t respect our laws aren’t ever going to get that concept.

  • sowsear

    Another manufactured crisis…Rahm Alinsky lives!

  • Freedom Fighter

    Docelder… Take that to La Raza.  

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Again, Bob, no one is anti-Latino/a.  And you can refuse to acknowledge that these border states are spending BILLIONS because of illegal immigration if you wish, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.  Unlike you, I do have citations for my claims abt the $4 billion in AZ and $10 Billion+ in CA payouts as a result of illegal immigration.

    Stop trying to paint this as a racist issue.  It isn’t.  It is abt people breaking the law, and then demanding rights accorded to US citizens and legal residents.  If people are unable to afford to come in, they can JOIN THE MILITARY.  There are ways. 

    NO OTHER COUNTRY has open borders, including Mexico, as I pointed out (though you and Jackie are great abt ignoring that reality).   Neither do WE.  So it is far past time to stop acting like those of us who want our Nation of Laws to be just that -a  nation of laws – hate large immigrant groups.  It is a canard you are pushing.

  • Freedom Fighter

    You’re the one dealing with self-hate issues. You need to see a psychologist and work out why you hate the Mexican side of your ancestry.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks so much, NoBama!  I appreciate it!

    It is good to get some info from people who actually live in, or have connections to, AZ.  You are right – the voices being heard the loudest are those who don’t live anywhere near there…

  • Freedom Fighter

    And did you say anything? Did you actually DO anything about the racism you saw and encountered? Nope. Just turned a blind eye. Until it affects you and yours of course. When your daughter or granddaughter comes home with Carlos and the feds are trying to deport him, then you’ll have to deal with it. Only then.

  • Freedom Fighter

    A record 1,046,539 persons were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2008. The leading countries of birth of the new citizens were Mexico, India and the Philippines.

  • Freedom Fighter

    The Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965 (the Hart-Cellar Act) abolished the system of national-origin quotas. By equalizing immigration policies, the act resulted in new immigration from non-European nations which changed the ethnic make-up of the United States. While European-born immigrants accounted for nearly 60% of the total foreign-born population in 1970, they accounted for only 15% in 2000. Immigration doubled between 1965 and 1970, and doubled again between 1970 and 1990.In 1990, President Bush signed the Immigration Act of 1990, which increased legal immigration to the United States by 40%. Nearly 8 million immigrants came to the United States from 2000 to 2005 – more than in any other five-year period in the nation’s history. Almost half entered illegally. Since 1986, Congress has passed seven amnesties for illegal immigrants

  • Freedom Fighter

    Benjamin Franklin opposed German immigration, stating that they would not assimilate into the culture. Irish immigration was opposed in the 1850s by the Nativist/Know Nothing movement, originating in New York in 1843. It was engendered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by Irish Catholic immigrants. In 1891, a lynch mob stormed a local jail and hanged several Italians following the acquittal of several Sicilian immigrants alleged to be involved in the murder of New Orleans police chief David Hennessy. The Congress passed the Emergency Quota Act in 1921, followed by the Immigration Act of 1924. The Immigration Act of 1924 was aimed at further restricting the Southern and Eastern Europeans who had begun to enter the country in large numbers beginning in the 1890s. Systematic bias against Japanese and German immigrants emerged during and after World War II. Irish and Jewish immigrants were popular targets early in the 20th century and most recently immigrants from Latin American countries are often viewed with hostility. Some Americans have not completely adjusted to the largely non-European immigration and racism does occur. After September 11, many Middle Eastern immigrants and those perceived to be of Middle Eastern origins were targets of hate crimes.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “ When your daughter or granddaughter comes home with Carlos and the feds are trying to deport him, then you’ll have to deal with it. Only then.”

    FF, your sickening racism couldn’t be more obvious with this kind of statement. And the saddest part of it all, is that you’re far too stupid to realize how you constantly expose your congenitally malignant obsession with race.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Benjamin Franklin opposed German immigration, stating that they would not assimilate into the culture. Irish immigration was opposed in the 1850s by the Nativist/Know Nothing movement, originating in New York in 1843. It was engendered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by Irish Catholic immigrants. In 1891, a lynch mob stormed a local jail and hanged several Italians following the acquittal of several Sicilian immigrants alleged to be involved in the murder of New Orleans police chief David Hennessy. The Congress passed the Emergency Quota Act in 1921, followed by the Immigration Act of 1924. The Immigration Act of 1924 was aimed at further restricting the Southern and Eastern Europeans who had begun to enter the country in large numbers beginning in the 1890s. Systematic bias against Japanese and German immigrants emerged during and after World War II. Irish and Jewish immigrants were popular targets early in the 20th century and most recently immigrants from Latin American countries are often viewed with hostility. Some Americans have not completely adjusted to the largely non-European immigration and racism does occur. After September 11, many Middle Eastern immigrants and those perceived to be of Middle Eastern origins were targets of hate crimes.

  • Lana

    I don’t think it’s her best phrasing, but what I think she’s trying to say is if you are a stranger (visiting AZ) and you have an accent (I believe she means a Hispanic accent) you could get stopped. It’s unfortunate she confuses things by using her state, New York, as the example, but maybe she is reminding people she was the Senator from New York for some kind of election reason???
    Unfortunately, she is “forgetting”–as are alot of the protestors–that the law was changed to say you had to be doing something wrong to be stopped. (Am I remembering that correctly?) And I’m not Hispanic, but if I break the law, the first thing I will have to do is show ID, so how is that discriminating??

  • Lana

    I don’t think it’s her best phrasing, but what I think she’s trying to say is if you are a stranger (visiting AZ) and you have an accent (I believe she means a Hispanic accent) you could get stopped. It’s unfortunate she confuses things by using her state, New York, as the example, but maybe she is reminding people she was the Senator from New York for some kind of election reason???
    Unfortunately, she is “forgetting”–as are alot of the protestors–that the law was changed to say you had to be doing something wrong to be stopped. (Am I remembering that correctly?) And I’m not Hispanic, but if I break the law, the first thing I will have to do is show ID, so how is that discriminating??

  • BuzzLatte

    Illegal is still illegal.

  • Breeze

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    May 4, 2010
    BUYCOTT ARIZONA: Is it possible to start purchasing the majority of things you need from Arizona businesses?

    Posted by hillbuzz under Uncategorized | Tags: Buycott Arizona, What can you start purchasing from Arizona? |

    We all sat down and thought about things we buy in a month, and with the exception of food, we don’t see any reason we can’t start buying everything we need from the state of Arizona, to support Arizona businesses.

    Especially if you are someone who likes shopping online anyway — just start looking a little harder to find Arizona-based businesses that might have what you need.  If the price is similar, then go for it.

    Maybe you could even haggle a little with the business if you find the cost is more expensive than what you’d find in your own state, but you want to support Arizona, so perhaps you could call the owner up and tell that person how much you want to give them the business. In many cases, if not all, we bet they would match the competitor’s price.

    Can you take a few minutes and think of things you could start buying for your families from Arizona?

    It might be a great civics lesson for children, too, if they helped you think of creative ways to help support a state that’s taken a step towards actually enforcing the law and doing what it’s supposed to in protecting its citizens.
    Imagine that.

    A state siding with citizens over special interests and lobbyists.

    Buycott, buycott, buycott.

  • sowsear

    Alinsky’s book was dedicated to Satan, as you may know!

  • sowsear

    Well BO told us how much Muslims have done to help this country. They built it by hand, from the ground up. Sometimes they just have some alterations in mind.

  • beachnan

    Why can’t they see the hypocracy?

  • Jackie

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/05/the_authors_of_arizonas_immigr.html#more

    Conservative leaders who have been critical of the measure, such as former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-Fla.), Gov. Rick Perry (R-Tex.) and Florida Republican senate candidate Marco Rubio, have something in common: they have won, or they intend to win, statewide elections. Consequently, they are unenthusiastic about an unfocused, poorly written law that does little or nothing to improve border security while gratuitously offending a growing portion of the electorate.

    The conservative writers who have uncritically supported the Arizona law share something as well: in general, they have never had to appeal to a voter, much less a Hispanic voter, in their lives. They have no direct responsibility for the political wreckage they leave behind. In fact, they tend to view indifference to political and demographic reality as a kind of purity test.

    But unlike, say, a conservative magazine or blog, it is the purpose of a political party to win majorities within the broad bounds of its convictions. And each time a portion of the conservative movement demonstrates this particular form of ideological purity — in California’s Proposition 187, the 2006 House immigration debate and now Arizona — they create resentments toward the Republican Party among Latinos that will last for generations. In all these cases, Republicans have gained little, sacrificed much, and apparently learned nothing.

  • candymarl

    Well said Arabella. I’ve run into the same sort of thing.  According to this bunch everyone could be or is a racist.  What is it they don’t get? Legal immigrants are more than welcome.  That’s not what’s bothering people. It’s the law breaking, period.

  • beachnan

    Creeper, the hispanics have taken a lot of the construction jobs in our area, and most of them do not have licences.  It’s very frustrutrating for the guy (my husband) to compete when he pays for insurance and workers comp etc.  I think we do need to look at this part of the equation also,

  • beachnan

    They really do need to change that law.  You become an automatic citizen if you are born to someone who is a citizen of this country, otherwise, forget about it.

  • My other site

    People, IL is the biggest enabler of the illegal hispanics.  In Chicago, Mexican gangs have already replaced the traditional black street gangs and there’s a Mexican flag on every door.  Why do you think Obama, Durbin, Luiz Gutierrez and the boys from Chi town are trying so hard to get an amnesty?

  • My other site

    Buycott:  I like the idea.  Seriously, if Major League Baseball moves the All-Star game out of Phoenix, Americans should boycott the game.  Americans should boycott MLB anyway because I read the teams have long gone to Latin American countries to recruit because they can offer those players less money.

  • My other site

    FF:  You might have a point if we were dealing with immigration, but the problem is ILLEGAL ENTRY.  If the amnesty goes through, I want you to be the first person to go live in the barrios in Yuma, AZ or San Antonio.  And no fair painting your face brown and speaking Spanish, either.  Let them know you’re a white American.  See how humanely these people treat you.

  • My other site

    The stories from AZ are terrifying.

  • My other site

    Thanks, Amy.  Americans need to start realizing the hispanics are trying to foment revolution in the U. S. as they do in Latin America.  This is the way it works.  They push their way in and demonstrate for whatever demands they want.  Then accuse the government of abusing them and say there needs to be change.  Any American who supports these pushy, violent people should be sent immediately to Columbia or Honduras.

  • helenk

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/04/good-news-obama-using-the-word-teabaggers-now/

    now we know why the trolls keep using this word.
    Damn the democrats for selecting this anti-American- racist- know nothing ass.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • beyond_words

    I used to feel the same way Amy, but after watching the last few months of “the action” I’m not surprised at all now.

    From dressing down the leader of an allied state to stirring the pot of domestic politics a bit in canada over arctic sovereignty because we won’t budge on our afghan pullout date (and rejecting the behind the scenes pressure) i notced a different side of her the last few months that isn’t good, lol.
    And i had hoped she beat the pants off of Obummer during the primaries…

  • I’m a Linda too

    RRRA wrote “Here’s the bottom line though: no country allows people to just waltz on in without proper documentation. Canada, our friendly neighbor to the north, also has very strict immigration policies in place. They require a large sum of money in the bank, and documentation of employment, for starters. Mexico has “draconian” immigration laws. And we should at least be protecting our borders so that we can protect our citizens. No matter how loudly illegal immigrants yell to be given their “rights,” the reality is, they are in this country ILLEGALLY, thus they do not deserve the same rights as American citizens have.”

    spot on!

    I can say, that being apparently I wasn’t hanging out down south, I was in Scottsdale and North Phoenix, I didn’t see anything.  I will say, things sure seemed to be doing OK in those places.

    I did my part in contributing and shopping.  And acutally was thrilled I had success in buying things on my wish list I couldn’t find locally.

    For “Juicy Couture”, I did find them, but did not buy the sunglasses Sarah Palin wore at the D’backs game.  Mainly because they didn’t have the exact pair and I didn’t look good in the frame.  But for the enthusiasts who wish to give kudos to the store and purchasing in Arizona, I took this photo for you all.  It’s the Juicy Couture in Kierland Commons in Scottsdale, AZ

  • Docelder

    Good for your team then. Hug an illegal alien. I could care less. People need to immigrate legally or get out.

  • Guest

    I  hope these states like AZ are also going after the smugglers, traffickers, illegal jobs trafficking kingpins and the other criminal infrastructure that supports illegal immigration — just as US drug policy goes after the kingpins not the end users. And if we did something about the consumption or demand side of the equation, the federal government could then steps to separate honest undocumented workers from unregulated drug markets tied in with immigration.

    Anyway, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris is already claiming the new strategy is going to present more problems for law enforcement than it solves.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63T5G220100430

  • Diana L. C.

    I agree that we need respect for our laws.  I am saying that it is hard to respect our laws when the people who write them and pass them seem to talk out of both sides of their mouths.  I keep saying that at this point, we need some real compromise based on good hard work on the part of all involved to develop a comprehensive immigration policy and then to ENFORCE it immediately.  No matter what it would be, there will be people upset.  But I certainly know many of the people with these tax IDs.  They DO think of themselves as Americans.  They do work hard and have worked hard for many years.  Many didn’t notice or get angry about their “illegal” status because of our own apathy, perhaps.  So now we need to arrive at a compromise solution that will be best for our country.

    I have never understood the “anchor baby” concept, myself.  That is one thing that might be addressed.

  • I’m a Linda too

    sorry, having a problem posting.  Didn’t take the pic, will try again.

  • AnnieCarmel

    “Upset — and scared, said a 40-year-old undocumented Mexican immigrant named Moses, who has lived and worked in the United States for 19 years. He currently works as a foreman on state-financed construction projects,”

    So much for Mexicans doing jobs American workers don’t want or won’t do…how many Americans were out of work while this jerk took their job?  How many jobs does my landscaper grandson lose to illegals?  Plenty.  How many jobs does my licensed, accomplished, Contractor son-in-law lose to unlicensed remodelers, builders, etc?  Plenty.

    Sorry, creeper.  It is about these people and not only drug runners and criminals.  To my way of thinking, they become criminals when they step one foot into our country.  Once they enter the underground they become vulnerable and isolated from the main stream…that makes them vulnerable to all sorts of other illegal activities in order to make it.  The Mexicans in Big Sur would line up at the Post Office when I lived there (and I’m sure this is still true) with their paychecks from the restaurants and send the whole amount home as a remittance; then deal drugs for their survival money.  They are not “poor campasinos” only here for a better life.  They are taking billions out of the country to Mexico.  That’s why Calderon and the Mexican wealthy won’t stop anything from their side.

  • AnnieCarmel

    BTW, my job as floor manager at the restaurant where I once worked is now held by…a Mexican.  The jobs the kids used to have after school and in the summer…Mexicans.  It’s BS.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Could be lorlac but I won’t make excuses for Hillary anymore.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Could be lorac but I won’t make excuses for Hillary anymore.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I don’t know when or if the law changed…in the past the policy was that there were no “anchor babies”.  If you came in illegally, had a baby and were caught, there was no choice.  The child was deported with the parent to the home country and allowed to claim citizenship (with documentation of birth) at age 18 if they chose.  We should go back to that.

  • AnnieCarmel

    Tex, I’ve agreed with you many times on other subjects.  I never once thought of you as an illegal immigrant.  But WOW, imagine how I feel now that I know one of my family members didn’t really need to go through the lengthy process of legality in order to come her and pay $1000 for a green card application even thought she will not be taking a job from anyone but will be supported and at home…
    Here’s a cartoon demonstrating my objection…not the color of your skin.

  • Guest

    Hillary already tied herself in knots in the primaries with double talk coming down on both sides over the issue of drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. I don’t know why anyone would be terribly surprised it is happened again (although I still count myself a supporter).

    - :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB767W3w594

    Clinton offered support for Spitzer, saying he was trying to “fill the vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform,” and noted millions of illegal immigrants are in New York at any one time. They should be able to have identification if they’re in an auto accident, for instance, she said.

    When all seven of the candidates were asked whether they agree that illegal aliens should have driver’s licenses, only Sen. Christopher Dodd said he disagreed. He then pressed Clinton on the issue and argued against the plan, saying: “A license is a privilege, and that ought not to be extended, in my view.” Clinton responded: “Well, I just want to add, I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do.”

  • Freedom Fighter

    Your fear is showing.

  • creeper

    beachnan, I’m a firm believer in union labor.  I have a hunch that if there were more unions there would be fewer illegals in the construction business. 

    Sadly, Reagan pretty much got rid of unions.

  • Jackie

    “I could care less.”

    The correct phrase is “I couldn’t care less”.  If you could care less, then that means you care some about what I have written, which would be the opposite of your intended meaning.

  • Breeze

    -

    BLAME THE WHITE MAN

    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    May 4, 2010

    There was no joy in liberal land when the prime suspect in the Times Square bomb plot turned out to be a Pakistani-American. The right-wing terrorist boogeyman vanished. Leftist racial and ethnic profiling failed again.

    The widely distributed videotape of a lighter-complected suspect near the attack scene – almost universally reported as a “white man” – raised expectations in some quarters that this could be the work of right-wing extremists, maybe even – oh dare it be hoped? – a Tea Party Republican.

    The right-wing bomber story line quickly established itself in the meme stream.

    New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, prompted by CBS News reader Katie Couric, speculated that the culprit was “homegrown, maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something.” MSNBC’s Chris Matthews and NBC News “terrorist analyst” Roger W. Cressey dwelt long on the idea of the bomber being someone with a “right-wing” agenda. Geraldo Rivera seemed fixated on the idea that the bomber was a “white man.” Similar unsubstantiated musings and outright accusations were rife in the liberal blogosphere.

    But then a suspect was apprehended on a Dubai-bound airplane, and his name was Faisal Shahzad. Talk about an inconvenient truth. It would be nice if this were just another opportunity to mock the haplessness of those liberals who are so captive to their agenda that they subordinate reality to their warped worldview.

    Delusions like this, however, place the country in danger.

    Whether officials will admit it or not, the United States is at war with a loosely organized sect of Islamic extremists who are attempting to disrupt U.S. interests abroad and create mayhem here at home. Muslim extremists should be considered the default culprits in every random act of terrorism unless compelling evidence exists to the contrary. It’s possible that terrorists could be motivated by other orientations – witness Andrew Joseph Stack, who flew a small plane into the Internal Revenue Service offices in Austin, Texas, in February – but such incidents are outliers and, as in the Stack case, tend to be isolated.

    The Times Square bombing attempt was the kind of terror attack in which al Qaeda, the Taliban and their cohorts are well-schooled, and it’s reasonable to assume this was not an isolated incident, given Mr. Shahzad’s recent travels to the Pakistani frontier. This was an attack either directly ordered or inspired by our enemies; it was part of their unfolding war plan against the United States. As in the Christmas Day underwear bombing attempt, we are lucky it failed.

    Blaming the white American man is an ingrained habit, driven by political correctness and unapologetic biases. This is the same knee-jerk response that occurred over the October 2002 D.C. snipers. The prevailing view at the time was that the perpetrator was some kind of white, male, veteran, right-wing, religious nut. Commentators, self-appointed terrorism experts and security officials discussed the profile as though it were incontestable. When the shooters turned out to be two black males under the spell of radical Islam who virtually worshipped Osama bin Laden, the narrative collapsed. But the damage was done; shooters John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo passed a police checkpoint during their killing spree, perhaps because they didn’t fit the prevailing profile.

    Those who style themselves as the intellectual class are so captive to hatred for a particular kind of American citizen that they immediately and without evidence ascribe acts of violence to them. These liberals should reflect on the fact that they’ve become the most bigoted people in America.

  • TeakWoodKite

    That sounds more like repressed Catholic joke. So after he “works it out”, what then?

    FF has been hanging around a certian cactus too long.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I have ”seen” it were it is a state contract, the contractor bills prevailing wage and shorts the employees the difference.

  • Breeze

    -

    We have now seen how the vile MSM “Hoped” it was a White Guy, maybe even a Tea Bagger when it was in fact a Registered Democrat, a Muslim and a Pakistani Trained Terrorist.

    The MSM has disgraced itself beyond any resonable repair. They are a dead entity..

    Oh, and a BIG thanks to Katie, for letting Bloomberg prattle on with malicious intent without as much as raising an objective eyebrow.

    This may be the ugliest moment in Modern journalism.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I miss her wit. :)

  • TeakWoodKite

    There is a “vast majority” in your head, Jackie.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Don’t give me one off newspaper articles, but actual academic studies!

    Why is it feeding time? Cite your own damn studies….BOB.  have you read up on the child prostitution that goes on? Or violence?

    Geez. What Beetle juice.

  • TeakWoodKite

    The two premises of your argument against illegal immigration are costs to states and crime.

    Not here. My beef is that it is Federal Law. Today I saw, covering the hood of a pickup truck,  the Mexican flag.

    Do I make myself clear?

  • guest

    this is a pretty interesting article about Juarez in the local Dallas rag:  http://www.dallasobserver.com/2010-04-29/news/a-report-from-juarez-the-bleeding-front-line-of-the-war-on-drugs/1

    i really think the legalization of marijuana would put a stop to a lot of the crime… it would remove the criminal element.  and quite possibly save our economy!

  • AnnieCarmel

    Do we have a “study” done by LaRaza?  I’m sure that’s the one FF, Bob and Jackie like.

  • AnnieCarmel

    I don’t believe the cartels are going to give up billions of dollars just because of pot legalization.  They have extensive farms in all our National Forests; they will figure a way to keep making money on their investment.  Don’t think they won’t fight for the market whether legal or illegal.

  • AnnieCarmel

    How about we make it very un-hip, unhealthy, unpatriotic…even stupid to get loaded?  It’s the only way to stop it. 

  • I’m a Linda too

    Spot on.  Thank you Breeze for that article.

  • helenk

    I just saw an article from the Associated Press, The Phoenix Suns will wear LOS SUNS jerseys in the next game to protest the law.
    Well SCREW THEM. Does tax payer money help underwrite them. How nice the sports teams now show support for law breaking. Remember when sports teams and players were supposed to inspire the young.
    I really hope very few people support them. Without ticket sales and merchandise sales , the financial loss should make them understand how people feel about obeying laws and just what they want their children to be taught.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Breeze

    -

    ‘White powdery substance’ sent to Arizona governor’s office

    by Michael Ferraresi and Mary Jo Pitzl -
    May. 4, 2010 02:02 PM
    The Arizona Republic

    The FBI will assist in the investigation of a suspicious envelope addressed to Gov. Jan Brewer that an employee at the Capitol opened Tuesday, sending the Executive Tower into one-hour lockdown after a white powder spilled from the envelope onto a computer.

    Phoenix Fire Department hazardous materials experts spent less than one hour in the building. No injuries or complaints of illness were reported and the tower was reopened around 11:20 a.m.

    The letter was opened in the governor’s constituency services office in the tower at 1700 W. Washington St.

    The powder is being analyzed at a state Health Department lab. The results of the tests should be released Wednesday.

    Andrew Staubitz, chief of the Arizona Capitol Police, said it was common for state or federal police to assist on such an investigation.

    “Obviously we don’t have all the resources (of the FBI),” Staubitz said. “They do assist in those kinds of things. Using the mail is a federal issue.”

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/04/20100504white-powder-sent-to-arizona-governor-state-capitol.html#ixzz0n3XVFdgK

  • arabella trefoil

    It’s like that saying “There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.”

    A variation on the above “There are young anarchists and there are bold anarchists …..”

    Ayers girlfriend blew herself up with a home-made bomb. (Ayers got off from being prosecuted for this caper because he RATTED ON HIS FRIENDS, and his daddy’s expensive lawyer got him a plea bargain.)

    Those anarchists that don’t blow themselves up or wind up in jail, get older and get wiser. So there are not many old anarchists.

  • arabella trefoil

    Maybe Obama will help out the Los Suns and throw a few pitches for them. I can just see him grandstanding like that. Except he’s such a shitty baseball player he’d probably make Los Suns into Los Losers.

  • Boxer Mum 06

    Funny, I didn’t hear about this anywhere in the news. I’m thinking though had it been a radical, right-wing nut job that was protesting Obamacare, it would have been breaking news on the MSM.

    I also wonder, had the same 11 ‘away’ people had been ‘tea baggers’ would their charges be the same or would Madam Napolitano labelled them as terrorist acts?

  • Boxer Mum 06

    Another interesting tid bit.. All 11 of the ‘away’ gang are all 26 or under thus, still under their mommy and daddy’s healthcare policy per the new Healthcare bill. =-O

  • Boxer Mum 06

    I saw them interviewing some of the protesters. One actually said that they felt the Mexican people had more rights to live in Arizona than others b/c Arizona was part of Mexico until the mean ole US came and claimed it as a state. ???? WTF are these people smoking?

    Now the Phoenix Suns are wearin their Los Suns or whatever it says on their uniforms to show solidarity.. solidarity with people who have committed a crime by coming here illegally?

    I would love for just one person with a microphone and a stage to ask these protesters … WHO ACTUALLY ARE THE VICTIMS HERE?

    Those fellow Americans who pay taxes and have rights or those that come here illegally, break our laws, take from the system and don’t contribute? It’s just shameful!

    I’m all for immigration – this country was founded on it but for those saying we need to stop discriminating against these people b/c they are Mexican is a joke!

    I bet if you pulled 100 random people and asked if they were against anyone going through the channels and legally immigrating to the US would they be against them the answer would be NO!

    Now that the polls are coming out showing the majority feel the AZ law is acceptable there will be some double talking coming from the “D” side.. I wonder if this was just a blow up to save Harry Reid’s job and is backfiring immensely?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Tex-Mex Soup asks: “Do you guys hate me too because of my screen name? I’ve been wondering.”

    Well you do have a chip on your shoulders with that comment.

    Until you sadi that, I was thinking Chicken Tortilla Soup… mmmn good.  But YOU hd to make it about hate. Way to go.

  • Docelder

    Grading posts with a red pen is a sure sign of the bot.

  • Docelder

    I just wonder what would have happened had the real guy escaped on the plane? It is funny Holder saying he never feared the guy escaping when he came so close to doing just that.

  • Boxer Mum 06

    I think this is a great post! I really hope you consider writing a piece for the blog. I enjoy reading and learning from everyone on here. It gives me alot of food for thought and help fully understand things.

    I think every one of us regulars here at NQ would feel the same about the man you mentioned. He is a victim here too! There should be no reason why he can not get a green card and move towards being a citizen. Obviously, the rules are broken and need fixed.

    I live in the suburbs of Philly. I used to go to work through this town where many Hispanics have come to call home. It broke my heart to see them every morning lining up at the McDonalds waiting for a truck to come by or someone to come by and hire them for the day. This is just not right!

    There has to be an answer that is fair. I’m so sick of the violaters that game the system and then cry foul when they don’t get their way.

  • Breeze

    -

    DISGRACE: Bay Area HS Students Banned
    From Wearing American Flag on Cinco De Mayo

    5/6/2010 
    The Lid.com, 

    by Jeff Dunetz
    Original Article

    Here is another example of political correctness gone very mad.

    Yesterday, May 5th Daniel Galli and four of his buddies wore clothes decorated with the Stars and Stripes to school, Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill California, a small town south of San Jose. Daniel and his friends were sitting at a table during a free period the vice principal walked over and asked two of the boys to remove the American flag bandannas on their heads and the other three to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out.

  • Breeze

    -

    “There Will Be No Apology

    Real Clear Politics,
     by Tom Bevan

    Original Article

    Those are the words of the mother of Matt Dariano, one of the five kids at Live Oak High School in the San Francisco Bay Area who were sent home for having the temerity to wear American flag tee shirts on the “Mexican heritage day” of Cinco de Mayo.

    “There will not be an apology,” Mrs. Dariano told the camera crew outside the school. “Matthew is part Hispanic, OK? He’s an American. So, no, there will be no apology from any Dariano.”

    Guess who else uttered the exact same phrase last year? James Crowley, the white Cambridge cop who arrested black Harvard

  • Ferd Berfle

    Annie:

    Disagree. I think the stupid act of making marijuana illegal in the 30s was a truly stupid thing to do. We gain nothing by it but a big bill from the DEA and a group of thugs south of the border who don’t care. Better we legalize it, tax it, and let business sell it at a cheaper price than the drug lords. And I’m only speaking to the issue of a plant.

  • Breeze

    -

    How Dare Arizonans Try
    To Protect Themselves?


    Creators Syndicate Inc.,
    by David Limbaugh

    Original Article

    5/7/2010 

    Isn’t it interesting that the people yelling the loudest about the imminent racial profiling that will occur under the new Arizona law are the very ones who are profiling the tea party protestors as domestic terrorists? (Snip) Arizonans didn’t just gratuitously pass a bill to harass illegal immigrants. They are tired of the hundreds of violent crimes being committed by illegal aliens, with Phoenix being North America’s kidnapping capital and primary location of human smuggling. An Arizonan rancher was recently murdered on his own property by an alleged illegal alien, and three Phoenix police officers have been shot by illegal

  • Breeze

    -

    Latino Groups Urge Boycott
    Of Arizona Over New Law

    New York Times,
     by Julia Preston

    Original Article

    5/6/2010 

    Several large Latino and civil rights organizations on Thursday announced a business boycott of Arizona, saying that a tough anti-illegal immigration law there would lead to racial profiling and wrongful arrests.

    The boycott call was led by the National Council of La Raza, or N.C.L.R., one of the nation’s biggest Latino groups, and was joined by the League of United Latin American Citizens and the National Puerto Rican Coalition.

    The groups said they would ask members and supporters to refrain from planning conventions or conferences in Arizona and from buying goods produced in the state.

  • Breeze

    -

    MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer Lauds
    ‘Pivotal’ Illegal Aliens for
    ‘Making Our Country Work’

    NewsBusters,
    by Scott Whitlock

    Original Article

    5/6/2010 

    MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer on Thursday didn’t try and hide her opinion on illegal immigration, spinning such lawbreakers as having a “pivotal role in making our country work.”

    The News Live host interviewed Antonio Villaraigosa, the mayor of Los Angeles and opined, “They do all kinds of jobs that keep our economy going, that keep us fed, our houses clean, our gardens tended and the like.”

  • Breeze

    -
    Thursday, May 6th
    Local School Suspends Student for Removing MEXICAN Flag

    Yesterday, a listener’s son was offended that his school, K<img style=”width: 234px; height: 338px;” src=”http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/mlib/700/05/700_1273184183.jpg” border=”0″/>lein Collins High School, displayed the Mexican flag prominently.  His mother called to complain, and the school wouldn’t return her call.  The student took the sign down.

    The school pitched a fit, reviewed the surveillance tapes, found the student, and suspended him for 3 days.  AND he has to pay for the flag.  In light of the SF story of students sent home for wearing the AMERICAN flag because it offended the Hispanic students, I thought you’d like to know about a story closer to home. 

    Right here in our community.  Feel free to let the school know what you think.  You pay their salaries. 

    Klein Collins High School (832) 484.5500.  Assistant Principal handling the case: Mr. Shelly Dick.  Seriously.  

    Call Mr. Dick and let him have it.  The Superintendent is Jim Cain.
     

     

     

    You realize, I assume, that if a student removed – or even burned – the AMERICAN flag, they wouldn’t do anything about it, I’ll bet. 

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