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Left vs. Right? Whose Fiscal Policies Are Correct? We Can’t Even Find Out…*Open Thread*

Scrolling through a number of blogs the other day, I came across this comment to a story in The Confluence. Many thanks to WMCB for posting it:

… I have a family member who is as conservative as it gets. We disagree a lot on how much the federal govt should do. But we wholeheartedly agree on this. He said to me last week,

“Until we can get the govt and the corporations out of bed with each other, we can’t even have a national conversation on how much or how little we want the govt to do. Until we end this rigged cronyism, we are ALL f*cked, Left, Right, and Center.”

Crony capitalism was a problem before this administration took power and that problem seems only to be increasing. Special interests, backroom deals, big corporations getting special exemptions — BP comes to mind. The corporate-owned media running interference and soft pedaling or ignoring stories until well past the expiration date of their effectiveness is likewise devastating.

Even Dan Froomkin, nee of the Washington Post, who now writes for Huffington Post, penned an article complaining that President Obama’s new fiscal deficit commission will be holding its meeting out of the public eye — contrary to the “transparency” repeatedly promised by this administration:

Members of President Obama’s deficit commission huddled behind closed doors Wednesday despite pleas from the left and right that they hold all their meetings in public.

The move only heightens suspicion that rather than forging a national consensus on future spending priorities, the commission’s work will consist of backroom dealings in which members of the Washington aristocracy find high-minded excuses for cutting the social safety net.

Bruce Reed, the commission’s executive director, assured the Huffington Post there is nothing sinister about holding working group meetings like today’s in private. But he had no good reason why they shouldn’t be held in public, either.

Froomkin’s article is entitled “Obama’s Fiscal Commission — What’s Going On In There?” if you would like to google and read it in its entirety.

Clearly, both sides are unhappy with this corporate cronyism — and we have seen all too many examples of it over the last ten years.

What’s the solution?

This is an open thread.

  • getfitnow

    “The Corporation” — a must see:

    http://www.johnwsmart.com/

  • helenk

    Do not let congress critters stay too long at the fair. When my daughter was old enough to register to vote I kiddingly told her only leave them in office for 4 years. This gives them one year to make the contacts, two years to steal and one year to cover it up.
    seriously
    Do not let them EVER get jobs as lobbiest for corporations if they have worked in congress or as an aide to a congress person.

    I know they are supposed to report or not accept gifts over a certain amount. Enforce that rule.

    Citizen journalists keeping tabs on congress and corporations and reporting wrong doing as the msm refuses to do their job any more.

    Citizen know your local government people , keep an eye on them, and also let the person who is supposed to represent you in Washington know you are involved and care about what is being done in your name.

    It is OUR government and WE have to take some responsibility for their actions

    On the day they are sworn in to office give each a sign for their office reading  WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE WORKING NEXT ELECTION?????

    I know this sounds like pollyanna but I do not know any other solutions to the enormous problem.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • guest

    In the title,
    Who’s Fiscal Policies

    who’s (not equal to) whose

  • oowawa

    “Members of President Obama’s deficit commission huddled behind closed doors Wednesday despite pleas from the left and right that they hold all their meetings in public.”

    Of course they’re “behind closed doors.”  They’re discussing how to implement the Value Added Tax (VAT), and how to convince the electorate that this is really not a tax on the middle class . . .

    Or maybe I’m just dreaming again . . .

  • kenoshamarge

    Those “who” are bed with each other, the corporations, the media and the government all conspire to cheat, lie to and steal from the American People.

    Many people, far too many, are so busy cheering on their teams, Go Dems, Yeah GOP,  to notice that neither team plays by the rules and the players are all cheats.

    There was a time when sportsmanship was important. Or at least lip service was paid to it. Now it’s all about winning. The winners of elections head off to Washington to get their slice of the pie and the losers, ex-incumbents, head off to “K” Street to get a lucrative job lobbying their cronies. And media “reports” if it suits their agenda or their bias. Incestuous isn’t it?

    Obama and the Obamacrats, like so many before them, ”promised” they would be different. Guess what? They lied. In fact the only difference that I can see is the blatant and persistent lies, distortions and  dishonesty that must be making the Republicans jealous.

    Thanks for a thought provoking post Ani.

  • helenk

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0510/SEIU_courted_White_House_official_for_top_job.html

    STOP things like this

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE AND INTELLIGENCE , MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALSITS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The overwhelming majority of voters agree with getting corporations out of the bed of politicians. Getting them to vote on that sentiment has proven difficult.

    Obama claimed he would run the lobbyists out of DC and swore he would not take thier money. It was proven over and over again that he took and has taken more campain money from Wall Street than any other poiltician. And nobody cares. (NQ excepted)

    McCain/Palin ran on getting the influence of money out of the election process. McCain promised he would only use the Public Presidential funding, and he kept that promise. Obama?

    As much as we all know that money is corrupting our political system, money is still winning the day.

  • Ferd Berfle

    It is little wonder our government is so screwed up.

  • Ferd Berfle

    That’s probably the only item they’ll come up with–a VAT with the current income tax. They’ll then all pat themselves on the back for doing such a fine job and get a Presidential Award from the shiftless autocrat in the WH.  
     
    I suggest that instead of going through all this perfunctory rigamarole, which will only postpone the inevitable, the government should just put us all in chains and work us until we drop and since healthcare will be nonexistent by that time, we’ll just die so they can keep that money, too.  
     
    Is this a great country or what?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Except for the conspiracy, I agree 100%. They have not needed to conspire when the electorate has been happy to play along.

  • Ferd Berfle

    In fact the only difference that I can see is the blatant and persistent lies, distortions and  dishonesty that must be making the Republicans jealous.   
    =================== 
    Excellent, kenoshamarge.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    No Lobby jobs for government workers or military. End the revolving doors.

  • Ferd Berfle

    To which I would add, no government jobs for those who work for companies that are contractors for the government. The incestuous relationship works both directions. I see this sort of crap all the time. Person X works for contractor Y and then goes to work for the government, often with oversight responsibilities for the company from which they left. Conflicts of interest abound.

  • helenk

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_20/b4178028160412.htm

    Growing up is  a bitch/////////
    and they did not even get unicorns and rainbows///////

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Ferd Berfle

    They’re just now coming to the realization that they were had? I worry about this country’s future with such rampant naivete on the part of our youth.

  • jwrjr

    This is the moral equivalent of a manager who lays off workers and then gets a bonus for saving the company money.

  • Peggy Sue

    I read that post over at The Confluence, Ani.  And I remember nodding and thinking: tell it like it is. 

    And for anyone who would like a tutorial on the corrosive aspects of corporatism, I would suggest following getfitnow’s link to a most provocative documentary at John W. Smart’s site.  It’s long but it’s worth the view.  And you can break it up into viewing segments the way I did.

    If it doesn’t make you angry, if it doesn’t make you at least pause then you are still in the trance that sold us [well, the majority at least] on Obama, the product, the president who came without documentation, experience and/or any real sense of serving the public.  He did, however, come with words, slogans and mind-numbing chants.  And plenty of corporate backing.

    But this documentary isn’t an indictment of the Obamacrats because the shift and slide has been endorsed by both parties, all sides of government.  We’re like sheep being led to the slaughter, encouraged to fight among ourselves, while the floor is literally being torn from beneath our feet.  It’s not even a matter of ascribing evil intentions to this corporate takeover.  Corporations are what they are, they do what they do, and like the Blob they take over everything.  That’s their function, all in the quest for profit. That profit end always justifies the means.  As long as transnationals have a willing and/or slumbering populace, that’s exactly what they’ll do until there’s nothing left to sell or exploit or manipulate.

    Watch the film.  Be prepared to feel a variety of things, but be prepared to feel.  Corporatism is unsustainable.  It leads in only one direction: straight to Hell. 

  • jwrjr

    WMCB’s comment is absolutely right … and impossible to implement.  This is because the CongressCritters who must vote for this always can be counted on to support their constituents.  Unfortunately, they see their constituents to be the Corporations that bribe them.  Voters do not have the money to compete with this.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I voted for Carter with my first POTUS vote. It took me a lot longer than a year or two to see the light. 

    I did not fully appreciate Reagan until the ’08 election cycle.

    Give the kids some credit. I worry less about them when I see them do stuff like this.
     

    I wasn’t the lazy dumbass my teachers and
    oldsters thought I was, and neither are they.

    I have watched this about 20 times since I spotted it while youtube surfing. It is too cool and creative.

  • Samb

    Open thread-

    Happy Mothers Day, Mom
    :)

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Did anyone read the Doonesberry comic today. http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/ 

    Apparanly Trudeau is having trouble coming up with Obamaisms. The only one he could list was “I have now been in 57 States…”.

    I am not sure what Trudeau’s point was, he seemed to imply that Bush II and Biden were bigger flubbers than O’Dumbo. Or perhas that o’Dumbo was so dull he can’t even flub more than an “UH… Umm”.

    I think we should help out Gary Trudeau and email him all the Obamaisms here:
    http://www.doonesbury.com/media/contact/index.html 

  • betty

    Ordinary people have to take over the house of representatives – the branch of government that controls spending.   How?   We can’t compete with money, ordinary people can’t compete at all really.  Remember Marie Kagalus (sp ?), she built a grass roots campaign against a republican who had represented Il for a hundred years. She nearly beat him and rather then face her again he retired, was ready win the next year but Rahm Emanuel told her to take a walk and imported Tammy Ductworth to take the nomination (and Tammy did, shame on her).

    So how, we can’t fight with money, and we can’t pick our own candidates, as things stand now.  We need to find a way to elect a congress critter with out connections and with out money.   

    We can do as the founders did  – Cast our lots together.  To do that we would all join together and agree to vote for whoever is picked from the district to be the candidate.  The candidate picking has to be random and absolutely legitimate – like have some kid throw a dart at a board covered with 300, 000 names. 

    We could enlist volunteers within each congressional district to go around and explain our goal and get people to sign up.  The congressional salary is over 100,000 a year and we all know it has a great medical plan - best there is.

    We could have them serve for a 2 year term, then throw the dart again. 
    Who ever got darted would need a lot of support from home – people to do research, to write news letters, to organize volunteers .  The whole process could be fun and could maybe get a whole lot more people interested in government.  Especially since we will have the chance to be the one to go to Washington and make around 160, 000 a year plus expenses for two years. 

    Lobbyist couldn’t get our representative all by them selves behind closed doors in Washington, they would need to come to each community and convince us here at home to give them what they want. 

    A year ago I mentioned this idea to a co worker and that person was aghast and said “but what is someone unworthy got picked?”   Since then we have had representatives pass spending bills that will burden our great, great  grand children with out even reading it.  They passed a bill they called health care reform so they could find out what is said (they were too lazy to do the work so they let lobbyist write the bill – that’s why they didn’t know what it said).  And another congressman just recently explaining to the Commander of the Pacific Fleet his fears about the danger of some island tipping over if too many sailors went ashore. 

    There are so many people out there ready to vote this November, but there is no one to vote for – both parties stink and have sold us out long ago.   Can’t we find it in ourselves to trust our fellow citizens.  Think what a revolution that would cause, think of the established politicians and the media pulling out their hair, screaming racist, anarchist, bitter knitters and kling-ons.  That could be fun too.

    How could a person start a movement like this? 

  • kenoshamarge

    I absolutely love that line: “but what if someone unworthy got picked?”  As if those now serving in congress are worthy.

     Unless and until voters start paying attention, real attention not being swayed by celebrity endorsements and 30 second media spots we will continue to get the same old kind of (non)representation that we get now. The same corruption and dishonesty.

    Term limits is one way to at least slow the crooks down a bit. IMO. And that’s something a majority of voters agree about from left, right and center. Got to start somewhere.

    We need to watch what they do not what they say. Republicans always talk a good game when it comes to “fiscal” resonsibility. But if they don’t follow through then it’s all just so much hot air.

    During the Bush Administration they spent money like Democrats. Now under the Obama Administration the Democrats have taken back the spending title.

    Ask Senator Bennett how well that worked out for him in Utah. The delegates didn’t care for his free spending ways even when it benefited them in earmarks. Good for them.

  • Noogan
  • Ladydawnelle

    DRAT!  I miss everything!
    This could be why they call it “disabled”
    ARGH!

  • CentralMass

    He doesn’t make “flubs”. He creates “learning moments’ for us all.

  • helenk

    Reuters has an article about fannie and freddie. 13.1 BILLION dollar loss. Not going to get better anytime soon.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Diana L. C.

    I used to love Doonesberry, especially when Trudeau first began doing the strip.  But lately, I feel that he has failed to grow up. 

  • tango

    Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court. I don’t know enough about her to know whether I think it’s a good choice or not, but I do want to post an interesting point from a recent National Review column:

    “It’s also worth emphasizing that what Kagan mischaracterized as the “military’s policy” is in fact the Clinton administration’s implementation of a provision of the defense-appropriations law that a Democratic-controlled Congress enacted in 1993 (with Clinton’s signature).  Instead of taking potshots at military recruiters who were merely complying with the law, did Kagan ever exclude from campus any of the politicians responsible for the law?  Of course not.  Indeed, whatever moral opposition Kagan had to the law when it was adopted didn’t deter her from seeking and obtaining employment in the Clinton White House.  Nor will it keep her from palling around with the many senators who voted for it, such as Vice President Biden.”

  • Ferd Berfle

    She’s a shill, too.

  • surfered

    How about campaign finance reform, restrict former members of Congress from becoming lobbyists, and term limits.  Oh, you mean actual ideas that would have to pass Congress?  Won’t happen.

  • Ani

    I remember the film, The Blob and you are right, that creature describes the behavior of this corporatism perfectly.

  • Ani

    And whenever any brave soul tries to implement campaign finance reform to get all the money out of the equation — someone will always destroy it.

    If nothing else, I so appreciate John McCain for sticking to his porimse to take public financing.  Obama reneged on his written pledge to do the same.

  • susiepuma

    It’s already started and it’s called the Tea Party……………………

    vote the person not the party & term limits, term limits, term limits – so tired of hearing those weasels in dc talking about their political careers – WTF – should NOT be a career – they need to do JOBS like 97% of the rest of us – oops – 97% of the people do not work…..

  • helenk

    Article at Polico by Chris Frates
    Big Banks hire DC heavyweights,
    Over 240 former government officials hired to lobby for banks.

    Isn’t incest a crime?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

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