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	<title>Comments on: Here&#8217;s Sarah&#8217;s Definition of a &#8220;Hockey Mom&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-683092</link>
		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is curious that someone praises and make statements about a person they must think they know. Some highlights for the drones who do not think for themselves.
Govenor Palin did not sell her jet through Ebay--She was for the bridge to nowhere until the pressure made her change her mind--She still received $260,000,000 from the pork project.  She still has $60,000,000. The other was spent to build a railroad to a x-senators ski resort. This highly (cough) intelligent person went to 6 colleges in seven years. Wonder what her major was. As mayor of a small town she received pork of #27,000,000 the highest per person of any pork project ever. She and her oil people have spent 500,000,000 for basically a piece of paper to figure out how to get natural gas to the lower states. The lower states has all the natural gas needed if we can get the big oil companies out of control. Sorry she sounds like a porker and will fit right in to continue more of the last 8 years. I hope this helps you,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is curious that someone praises and make statements about a person they must think they know. Some highlights for the drones who do not think for themselves.<br />
Govenor Palin did not sell her jet through Ebay&#8211;She was for the bridge to nowhere until the pressure made her change her mind&#8211;She still received $260,000,000 from the pork project.  She still has $60,000,000. The other was spent to build a railroad to a x-senators ski resort. This highly (cough) intelligent person went to 6 colleges in seven years. Wonder what her major was. As mayor of a small town she received pork of #27,000,000 the highest per person of any pork project ever. She and her oil people have spent 500,000,000 for basically a piece of paper to figure out how to get natural gas to the lower states. The lower states has all the natural gas needed if we can get the big oil companies out of control. Sorry she sounds like a porker and will fit right in to continue more of the last 8 years. I hope this helps you,</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-660591</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I really wanted Hillary to be the nominee. I&#039;m not happy that she isn&#039;t. In fact I was heartbroken.


Ive been reading this blog for a long time. Alot of comments seem to advocate John McCain and Sara Palin for Pres/VP.

I&#039;m just wondering if these people advocating the Republicans for president are Republicans themselves?

I&#039;m quite earnest to know: who do the real Hillary supporters want in?

Do you guys think Hillary will have a chance in 2012? Wouldn&#039;t it be more likely McCain will stay in?

I&#039;m just thinking, I mean, if McCain mucks everything up or goes to war with Iran, is it really worth taking the risk of putting more of our soldiers lives at risk just so Hillary can be voted in? 

I do want Hillary as president but I don&#039;t know about risking McCain. I&#039;m sad and a bit worried.
What do you guys think? Any advice?
Thanks alot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I really wanted Hillary to be the nominee. I&#8217;m not happy that she isn&#8217;t. In fact I was heartbroken.</p>
<p>Ive been reading this blog for a long time. Alot of comments seem to advocate John McCain and Sara Palin for Pres/VP.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering if these people advocating the Republicans for president are Republicans themselves?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite earnest to know: who do the real Hillary supporters want in?</p>
<p>Do you guys think Hillary will have a chance in 2012? Wouldn&#8217;t it be more likely McCain will stay in?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just thinking, I mean, if McCain mucks everything up or goes to war with Iran, is it really worth taking the risk of putting more of our soldiers lives at risk just so Hillary can be voted in? </p>
<p>I do want Hillary as president but I don&#8217;t know about risking McCain. I&#8217;m sad and a bit worried.<br />
What do you guys think? Any advice?<br />
Thanks alot</p>
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		<title>By: Tomboys</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-659954</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomboys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  They are definitely underestimating her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  They are definitely underestimating her.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-659652</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She will hold her own with Biden in the Debate with some to spare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She will hold her own with Biden in the Debate with some to spare.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaA1</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-659612</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaA1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an indirect way, votes for third party candidates and stay at home votes go to Obama as well.

It will likely be a very close election, so any vote not cast for McCain gives a vote to Obama.

I try to make the point to folks that they don&#039;t have to compromise themselves by voting McCain. Just vote McCain as a strategic move - to punish the Democratic Party leadership and to clear the way for a 2012 Hillary Presidency.

We&#039;ll have the Democratic Majority in Congress to protect the Supreme Court and refuse funding for unnecessary wars. Yes there will be some downsides to four years of the GOP, but it won&#039;t be nearly as horrible as eight years of Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Brazile and Company.

Further, this crowd will be so emboldened by winning that you can bet on the Democratic Party becoming more and more corrupt as these thugs grab more and more power. By the next election cycle, they will probably figure out a way to stop us from voting at all.

Don&#039;t laugh. This is how fascism happens...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an indirect way, votes for third party candidates and stay at home votes go to Obama as well.</p>
<p>It will likely be a very close election, so any vote not cast for McCain gives a vote to Obama.</p>
<p>I try to make the point to folks that they don&#8217;t have to compromise themselves by voting McCain. Just vote McCain as a strategic move &#8211; to punish the Democratic Party leadership and to clear the way for a 2012 Hillary Presidency.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have the Democratic Majority in Congress to protect the Supreme Court and refuse funding for unnecessary wars. Yes there will be some downsides to four years of the GOP, but it won&#8217;t be nearly as horrible as eight years of Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Brazile and Company.</p>
<p>Further, this crowd will be so emboldened by winning that you can bet on the Democratic Party becoming more and more corrupt as these thugs grab more and more power. By the next election cycle, they will probably figure out a way to stop us from voting at all.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t laugh. This is how fascism happens&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-659395</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except she apologized for it later.  What she hasn&#039;t apologized is for accusing Hillary Clinton of whining.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Before_they_loved_Hillary.html?showall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except she apologized for it later.  What she hasn&#8217;t apologized is for accusing Hillary Clinton of whining.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Before_they_loved_Hillary.html?showall" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Before_they_loved_Hillary.html?showall</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-659374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They hate her because she&#039;s pro-life and pro-creationism.  Two things Hillary is not. Just because she&#039;s a successful female politician, that does not maker her the same person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They hate her because she&#8217;s pro-life and pro-creationism.  Two things Hillary is not. Just because she&#8217;s a successful female politician, that does not maker her the same person.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can keep speculating on how much involvement she has in national security or you can believe what the guardsmen himself said.

As it is, she has not yet fought off a Russian invasion, so you can stop pretending she has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can keep speculating on how much involvement she has in national security or you can believe what the guardsmen himself said.</p>
<p>As it is, she has not yet fought off a Russian invasion, so you can stop pretending she has.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliie 4McCain4 Palin 08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliie 4McCain4 Palin 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrighting in Hillary guess what? That vote will go to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrighting in Hillary guess what? That vote will go to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliie 4McCain4 Palin 08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliie 4McCain4 Palin 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The democratic lost their back bone a long time ago when they took out one of their own democratics and went agaist the will of the people.They played their dirty tricks and used the media to help them MSNBC-CNN.They used their pro-press as well.Look right when John McCain came out with his V.P Campbell Brown attack Sarah Palin,without really knowing anything about her.So right there gives anothr hint that they are again going at it.I don&#039;ttrust MSNBC-CNN OR THE PRO-OBAMA PRESS.!!!!And never will.

instead of waiting to know anything they attack her.The thing is she has more of a record then Obama.The ones who attack another democratic  are in it for something they don&#039;t wnt to lose,MONEY....And that&#039;s what they did to Hillary.MSNBC-CNN AND PRO-PRESS DIDN&#039;T WASTE ANYTHIME IN ATTACKING Sarah Palin..

Anything they do they do it for their own selfish reasons,not for the good.DNC  trashed their own party and hey we have someone who took down her own party in corruption and tha&#039;s what we need here in Washington.

They are really mad that they didn&#039;t know.They were following around the other two thinking they were McCains pick one of them....They thought John McCain called them in to tell them that.So they were running behind them to.Surprise wrong....They got a shock of their lives.I wish I was a fly on the walls of all those people watching their faces.

NOOBAMA---DNC  we don&#039;t want you. DNC  did not stand up for all the people only for their selected one.And now they want and needs us.They keep saying hey- you think and asking people how many Hillary supporters now are John McCain&#039;s.Well we don&#039;t give the right amount.And never will tell them.

GO TO HELL DNC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The democratic lost their back bone a long time ago when they took out one of their own democratics and went agaist the will of the people.They played their dirty tricks and used the media to help them MSNBC-CNN.They used their pro-press as well.Look right when John McCain came out with his V.P Campbell Brown attack Sarah Palin,without really knowing anything about her.So right there gives anothr hint that they are again going at it.I don&#8217;ttrust MSNBC-CNN OR THE PRO-OBAMA PRESS.!!!!And never will.</p>
<p>instead of waiting to know anything they attack her.The thing is she has more of a record then Obama.The ones who attack another democratic  are in it for something they don&#8217;t wnt to lose,MONEY&#8230;.And that&#8217;s what they did to Hillary.MSNBC-CNN AND PRO-PRESS DIDN&#8217;T WASTE ANYTHIME IN ATTACKING Sarah Palin..</p>
<p>Anything they do they do it for their own selfish reasons,not for the good.DNC  trashed their own party and hey we have someone who took down her own party in corruption and tha&#8217;s what we need here in Washington.</p>
<p>They are really mad that they didn&#8217;t know.They were following around the other two thinking they were McCains pick one of them&#8230;.They thought John McCain called them in to tell them that.So they were running behind them to.Surprise wrong&#8230;.They got a shock of their lives.I wish I was a fly on the walls of all those people watching their faces.</p>
<p>NOOBAMA&#8212;DNC  we don&#8217;t want you. DNC  did not stand up for all the people only for their selected one.And now they want and needs us.They keep saying hey- you think and asking people how many Hillary supporters now are John McCain&#8217;s.Well we don&#8217;t give the right amount.And never will tell them.</p>
<p>GO TO HELL DNC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike&#38;Joyce McCain-Palin 08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike&#38;Joyce McCain-Palin 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just it.Obama-Biden and pro-Obama media are scared.That&#039;s why they have to try and trash her like they did Hillary.Oh and can&#039;t fool me any that Biden -Obama or his camp will stop.He will do just as they did to Hillary have his pro-press and  msnbc do it,While they are behind the curtain and say.Hey hey that&#039;s no what anyone should do.Well I saw it..Remember the JFK thing-Well and eamil went to one wrong person from the Obama camp.

He alreated the media-And the camp had written what Obama camp o  read on air and Keith Olbermann was the chosen one to do so and went at Hillary.The thing is there is no hope for Obama to be honesy for he lied throughtout his campaign and his dirty tricks and used the media to do alot of his dirty work.

I will never fall in line to a democratic party who did what they did to Hillary and now started on Palin.

Look at Washibgton past on how they say can a mother do the job? Huh ? Did they ever bring up Obama&#039;s kids or Michelle&#039;s no? The last time I check Michelle was a mother.But no do thery say anything or had about that about her? NO

We saw what the msnbc-pro-Obama  press did and if anyone thinks that they are doing this alone now,Huh reaming...... 


The Bisa press of their lies will make it bad on them.We saw  it and heard it all.And we  are watching and can&#039;t be fooled. Keep it up press this willnot get you no where but a back seat to no where.



 John McCain -Sarah Palin 08</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just it.Obama-Biden and pro-Obama media are scared.That&#8217;s why they have to try and trash her like they did Hillary.Oh and can&#8217;t fool me any that Biden -Obama or his camp will stop.He will do just as they did to Hillary have his pro-press and  msnbc do it,While they are behind the curtain and say.Hey hey that&#8217;s no what anyone should do.Well I saw it..Remember the JFK thing-Well and eamil went to one wrong person from the Obama camp.</p>
<p>He alreated the media-And the camp had written what Obama camp o  read on air and Keith Olbermann was the chosen one to do so and went at Hillary.The thing is there is no hope for Obama to be honesy for he lied throughtout his campaign and his dirty tricks and used the media to do alot of his dirty work.</p>
<p>I will never fall in line to a democratic party who did what they did to Hillary and now started on Palin.</p>
<p>Look at Washibgton past on how they say can a mother do the job? Huh ? Did they ever bring up Obama&#8217;s kids or Michelle&#8217;s no? The last time I check Michelle was a mother.But no do thery say anything or had about that about her? NO</p>
<p>We saw what the msnbc-pro-Obama  press did and if anyone thinks that they are doing this alone now,Huh reaming&#8230;&#8230; </p>
<p>The Bisa press of their lies will make it bad on them.We saw  it and heard it all.And we  are watching and can&#8217;t be fooled. Keep it up press this willnot get you no where but a back seat to no where.</p>
<p> John McCain -Sarah Palin 08</p>
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		<title>By: MTdob4Hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTdob4Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t have hockey in our rural town, but we did/do have wrestling.  I&#039;m a wrestling Mom...and the descriptor used by Gov. Palin will work just as well. We are behind our team, win or lose.  (Don&#039;t you just wish you could slam a few politicians up against the boards or to the mats?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t have hockey in our rural town, but we did/do have wrestling.  I&#8217;m a wrestling Mom&#8230;and the descriptor used by Gov. Palin will work just as well. We are behind our team, win or lose.  (Don&#8217;t you just wish you could slam a few politicians up against the boards or to the mats?)</p>
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		<title>By: LindaA1</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindaA1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually there has been a liberal majority on the Supreme Court until now that protected Roe. Roe staying in place had little to do with the Presidents and they have been adding conservatives to the Court for two decades. The danger now is that one more conservative on the court will tip the majority to the conservatives. That&#039;s the bad news.

The good news is that there will be a strong Democratic Majority in the Senate in 2009 - maybe as much as a 60/40 split. Since Supreme Court nominees have to have Senate approval, there&#039;s little danger that McCain could get an anti-Roe conservative confirmed.

The one scary scenario is that McCain may have the opportunity to add as many as three Judges. The Democratic Majority would have to hold firm on moderate appointees repeatedly which, I&#039;m sure, would have the GOP conservatives howling. 

Nonetheless, the Democrats will have the numbers to maintain a balanced Supreme Court - if they can grow a backbone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually there has been a liberal majority on the Supreme Court until now that protected Roe. Roe staying in place had little to do with the Presidents and they have been adding conservatives to the Court for two decades. The danger now is that one more conservative on the court will tip the majority to the conservatives. That&#8217;s the bad news.</p>
<p>The good news is that there will be a strong Democratic Majority in the Senate in 2009 &#8211; maybe as much as a 60/40 split. Since Supreme Court nominees have to have Senate approval, there&#8217;s little danger that McCain could get an anti-Roe conservative confirmed.</p>
<p>The one scary scenario is that McCain may have the opportunity to add as many as three Judges. The Democratic Majority would have to hold firm on moderate appointees repeatedly which, I&#8217;m sure, would have the GOP conservatives howling. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, the Democrats will have the numbers to maintain a balanced Supreme Court &#8211; if they can grow a backbone.</p>
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		<title>By: CountryFirst</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4551/heres-sarahs-definition-of-a-hockey-mom/#comment-658264</link>
		<dc:creator>CountryFirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently heard several hateful remarks about Sarah Palin from some Hillary supporters.  The hateful remarks, for example, &quot;she&#039;s no Hillary Clinton!&quot; are made simply because she accepted the VP position.  They have no real personal reason for hating her.  It&#039;s very like the hate-filled remarks made toward Hillary Clinton by those who evidently hate &quot;just because.&quot;  I consider Hillary a class-act and those people who are using their loyalty to Hillary to voice hate and disrespect for Sarah Palin are doing Hillary a disservice.  To hear such hateful remarks was disappointing to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently heard several hateful remarks about Sarah Palin from some Hillary supporters.  The hateful remarks, for example, &#8220;she&#8217;s no Hillary Clinton!&#8221; are made simply because she accepted the VP position.  They have no real personal reason for hating her.  It&#8217;s very like the hate-filled remarks made toward Hillary Clinton by those who evidently hate &#8220;just because.&#8221;  I consider Hillary a class-act and those people who are using their loyalty to Hillary to voice hate and disrespect for Sarah Palin are doing Hillary a disservice.  To hear such hateful remarks was disappointing to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Ana Mus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Ana Mus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roe v Wade was decided in 1973.  How many REPUBLICAN presidents have EVER tried to have it overturned?

Using a scare tactic of the Republicans overturning Roe v Wade may have worked around 1974 or so, but it is a really, really lame excuse to be using it in this day and age especially when we have 30+ years of it never being touched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roe v Wade was decided in 1973.  How many REPUBLICAN presidents have EVER tried to have it overturned?</p>
<p>Using a scare tactic of the Republicans overturning Roe v Wade may have worked around 1974 or so, but it is a really, really lame excuse to be using it in this day and age especially when we have 30+ years of it never being touched.</p>
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