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Economic Downturn Not Turning Around

Talk about trying to put lipstick on a pig, many in the media and the Obama team are touting today’s surge in unemployment as “good news” because even though more are reported as unemployed more jobs are being created. While we are at it maybe we can talk about the good news associated with Nazi death camps. I’m sure there was a silver lining there somewhere, somehow.

Sorry, but I ain’t buying this latest line of horseshit. The economy has not turned the corner. In fact, the illusory signs of possible resurgence are likely to be dashed in the coming weeks as the stats catch up to the reality. Rick Davis of the Consumer Metrics Institute reports the following:

A look at our ‘Daily Growth Index’ also shows that towards the end of November 2009 the ‘demand’ side economic activity was dropping so quickly that a two week change in the lead time would make a huge difference in the numbers being reported. At a lead time of 18 weeks the number is the 3.2% reported by the BEA. If the sampling period had shifted to two weeks earlier, the reported GDP number would have been 4.4%, substantially higher. However, if the sampling period had shifted to two weeks later, the GDP growth rate would have been only 2.0%, less than half the reading from only 4 weeks earlier. This is the sign of an economy in rapid transition.

The methodologies used by the BEA when measuring factory production are ill suited to capturing an economy in such rapid transition. In the 4th quarter of 2009 the production side of the economy was topping (reflecting the topping of our measurements on the demand side in August 2009), causing some consistency in the BEA published readings of 5.7%, 5.9% and 5.6% for the quarter’s annualized growth rate in its three consecutive measurement iterations over three consecutive months (all after the fact, by 30, 60 and 90 days respectively). The first quarter’s production environment was at a much more dynamic spot in this particular economic cycle, and the subsequent monthly revisions by the BEA may be significant.

From our perspective the GDP is only confirming where our numbers were in November, which is, relatively speaking, ancient history. Since then we have seen our ‘demand’ side numbers slip into contraction (on January 15th), and they have recently lingered in the -1.5% ‘growth’ range. We have long since recorded the ‘demand’ side activity that has been flowing downstream to the factories during the second quarter of 2010. If the GDP lags our ‘Daily Growth Index’ by 18 weeks again we should see the 2nd quarter 2010 GDP contracting at a 1.5% clip (since our ‘Daily Growth Index’ on February 24th was -1.46%).

I say ‘should’ because we have observed before that factories are loath to actually contract production until building inventories force them to curtail normal production schedules and furlough staff. We saw this happen during the 2006 ‘demand’ side contraction event, when the GDP production side growth effectively dropped to zero but never went negative. The 2010 contraction however is showing enough persistence that inventories are likely to eventually build to the point where production curtailments should be made.

The week long shutdown of aviation in Europe a couple of weeks back has not yet shown up in the stats. Anyone want to argue that the volcanic ash was good for the world’s economic outlook? Let’s not forget the oil leak in the Gulf and the flood in Nashville. Those events as well are likely to impose a further drag on the economy.

Today’s news on unemployment also reported that the broader number of unemployment also increased. Per the Wall Street Journal:

The U.S. jobless rate rose to 9.9% in April, the first increase in three months, but the government’s broader measure of unemployment ticked up for the third month in a row, rising 0.2 percentage point to 17.1%.

The comprehensive gauge of labor underutilization, known as the “U-6″ for its data classification by the Labor Department, accounts for people who have stopped looking for work or who can’t find full-time jobs. Though the rate is still 0.3 percentage point below its high of 17.4% in October, its continuing divergence from the official number (the “U-3″ unemployment measure) indicates the job market has a long way to go before growth in the economy translates into relief for workers.

The 9.9% unemployment rate is calculated based on people who are without jobs, who are available to work and who have actively sought work in the prior four weeks. The “actively looking for work” definition is fairly broad, including people who contacted an employer, employment agency, job center or friends; sent out resumes or filled out applications; or answered or placed ads, among other things. The number ticked up this month as more people came back into the labor force to look for jobs. (Read a more in-depth explanation for the rise in the unemployment rate.)

We are a global economy and the news out of Europe is not going to inspire or signal growth. We are witnessing a liquidity crisis and a decline in economic growth, with Greece leading the way. This problem is not going away anytime soon. Unfortunately we are looking at the much feared double dip recession. Sorry, I wish we had better news.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Larry you are absolutely WRONG. The economy has in fact turned two corners and is now circling backward.

    But you are right on the BS and Pig Lipstick from Obama. If he could turn that into a commodity like pork bellies, he might have something to brag about.

  • Peggy Sue

    I understand the grand employment numbers include 66,000 Census-taking jobs [temporary] and that 188,000 were based on modeling [birth/death ratios for businesses]. That leaves what–36,000 permanent jobs in real time?

    Sorry, if I’m not ready to join the cheerleading squad.  We’ve been fed bogus numbers, month after month. Doncha just love creative accounting??? Plus it would take 5 years of 250,000 jobs per month to catch up to where we started [falling off the cliff].

    This Administration is like the boy shouting wolf, in the reverse.  This little shepherd shouts Eurika, even when the numbers [the Big Bad Wolf] doesn’t support the call for celebration. When ordinary Americans no longer need assistance, when people stop losing their housing and when fewer of our children depend on foodstamps to eat then maybe I’ll throw a party.

    Btw, I listened to Nouriel Roubini [Dr. Doom who has been inconveniently accurate in his forecasts] speak last night about the economy:

    “Greece is just the “tip of the iceberg” for the problem of accumulating debt, and it must be solved by raising taxes and cutting spending, if not default will follow, Roubini said.

    “My concern is eventually, not this year, it may spread to Japan and in the US,” he said.” [statement made on CNBC].

    Color me puzzled but that does not sound optimistic, and accumulating debt is not a Greek-only problem.  Roubini’s voice is joined by a growing number of economists in these cautionary predictions.

    So, my party clothes will remain in the closet.

    Would I like to believe the happy talk?  Sure.  I’d love to believe in Santa Claus, too.

  • Alessandro Machi

    Reduce interest rates on EXISTING DEBT, then reduce the amount of allowable debt in the future, and the worldwide economy would stabilize.  However, this idea would require the ultra wealthy to accept lower interest rate returns on their vast wealth while those with much less wealth would get higher interest rate returns.

    Yes, the solution is that simple.

  • jwrjr

    Isn’t it amazing (not) how the Obama Monarchy can economically mathematically model jobs that aren’t actually in existence?

  • EllenD

    The number ticked up this month as more people came back into the labor force to look for jobs.

    And how do they know that?
    At my Caanadian company I remember getting detailed Canadian government surveys asking about export percentages and dollar numbers for obscure categories. Before Quickbooks there was no way I could even guess these accurately. Even now it would be a stretch.
    We asked a friend who was a Vice President at a huge Canadian bank what we should do to resond to these requests. He was a straightforward Harry Truman type and said “Do what we at the bank do – make it up.”

    Right now I have spent last month laying off staff. I’m down to half the company. I don’t think it’ll be here this time next year.

    Economy turned the corner? Only if this street is the road to hell.

  • TeakWoodKite

    LJ,
     I would add the astute post by Larry Doyle on the markets recent events will add to the “drag”. The underlying malware that is the structure of the markets and the continued replication of toxic investments….what can I say?
    Pump and Dump is not a way to inspire market stability.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I don’t know where you live but where I do interest rates are already low. The Federal Bank’s Funds Rate is 1.25%, Interest for a 5 year T Bill is about 2.4%.

    If the rates go lower China will be paying the US to take out loans.

    So I guess your premise is True. The only way out of the debt morass is for the lenders to start paying the borrowers interest on the money they borrow.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The Greece debt and riots caused by necessary cuts in government programs should be, needs to be, a wake up call for the US. 12 trillion in debt and rising is not sustainable.

    If you need to invest, do it in China. That is where the cash is.

  • Yttik

    Food-stamp tally nears 40 million, sets record

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100507/ts_nm/us_food_usa_stamps

  • EllenD

    Sorry. China is unreliable and their stock market is even more dodgy than here.

  • felizarte

    I would like to know what they do with repaid bailout funds?  Why are they not being allocated to reduce the debt?  Is it going to stay as part of Obama’s slush fund for the election in 2012?

  • felizarte

    Even if consumers spend again, they will be spent on items “made in China” or elsewhere and therefore will only improve employment in the countries of origin.  How does this help unemployed American workers.  Obama has not made a single proposal to restore a manufacturing base or create new industries that would help unemployment. Obama is the Katrina of the country, politically, that is–truly a national disaster.

  • Retired

    The Nazi death camp analogy is a good one.

    HITLER:  “Herr Heydrich, why haven’t you wiped out all of the Jews in Europe yet?”

    HEYDRICH:  “Good news, Mein Fueher!  Even though we are slaughtering more and more Jews, every day we are also finding more and more Jews to slaughter.  Thus, my fitness reports, in terms of Jews being slaughtered, will be outstanding into the foreseable future!”

    When the unemployment rate goes up, it doesn’t matter how many more new jobs your have created–you are still falling behind.  Jesus is the only one in history that didn’t have to care how many people lined up for his fish and bread. 

  • kenoshamarge

    I suspect the only people “buying” the Happy Talk are ones who have jobs that they believe are fairly secure. Those without and with employment that they are fearful will end soon, not so much.

    The Administration and it’s lapdog media can keep beating the “Hopey-changey” drum for all their worth but it’s doubtful most people will join the parade. You get more “reality” on “Reality Shows” than you get on most of the news programs these days. Most seem to believe that it’s their “job” to bolster the Administration not just report the facts.

    The numbers? B.S. in means B.S. out.

  • HARP

    Congratulations Democrats.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Ain’t that the truth. I was unemployed for the last 2 months and only started work this week because of somebody else’s major fuck up, not because of economic growth. And until these week there was nothing to be hopeful about.

    I do accounting work and I’ve never had a problem finding a job. Even while I was looking in the past the agencies would call me 2-3 times a week and I was usually placed within a couple weeks. The last 2 months? Dead silence.

    I’m praying it goes perm, so I’m still fairly stressed out as far as keeping the position until my performance can be proved.

  • getfitnow

    A glimpse at Christmas Future… :(

    What are the #’s on IRS hiring?

  • getfitnow

    Nuance.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Thanks for the depressing essay, LJ. At a time when we need someone in the WH with serious ideas, we get a huckster. The phrase fiddling while Rome burns keeps popping up in my mind.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Prevarication.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I would love to be able to take on a few more employees. However, we staff for workload valleys and not peaks. The porkulus bill has only doubled my personal workload. It neither saved nor created any jobs. Another inconvenient truth for the Oblahblah administration to lie their way around.

  • kenoshamarge

    Mine too.

  • Noogan

    You nailed it Peggy Sue. And, from my reading of numerous sources, Larry’s right: The dreaded double-dip is coming. This is not an economy in a turn around; this is an economy on it’s last legs. 

  • Noogan

    $600 Trillion. Does anyone comprehend what that means, can you actually wrap your brain around that number? It’s hard to do. But that is the amount of the derivatives out there, just waiting to choke the last gasp out of the global economy. That is ten times the size of the global economy. 

    http://usawatchdog.com/the-canary-is-dead/

  • creeper

    Not to worry.  Everything’s good.  Barry says millions are already being helped by health insurance reform.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10591269

    Boggles the mind, doesn’t it?

  • My other site

    The Obama crowd spins everything to death.  They’re worse than 1985.  Pity the people who believe this load of crap.

  • My other site

    “at a time when we need someone in the WH with serious ideas”  I preached this mantra all through the primaries and GE but stupid people thought “words can fix things.” !!!!!  How’s that workin’ out for ya?

  • Ferd Berfle

    It isn’t working out for me and I preached the same thing.

  • Ladydawnelle

    I personally am afraid to even ask the remaining few relatives who swore by Obambi & the Donkey’s riding in to rescue us from all things reminiscent of the Cheney Cabal.  All I would be able to do is laugh at them, I’m afraid, and probably embarrass my MOM. Although my MOM agrees with me on most things political these days. WE crossed that PUMA bridge together May 08.  (and still “reminisce” about how easily they stabbed us ALL in the back)  Grrrrowling still!

  • Ferd Berfle

    I suspect the only people “buying” the Happy Talk are ones who have jobs that they believe are fairly secure.
    ====================
    I think some feel that way. Not me. My job is secure but I see far too many people when I’m out and about that have no job and no hope for a job. This is a very bad sign because unemployed people are angry and anger leads to strife. I often wonder if this was Oblahblah’s agenda all along. As felizarte said, That One is another Katrina and his vision for America is a nightmare.

  • Ferd Berfle

    A really expensive lemon sold to the American public by a fast-talking used-car salesman.

  • creeper

    Did Thursday’s meltdown originate in Chicago?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36946.html

  • Ferd Berfle

    Surprise, surprise, surprise.

  • kenoshamarge

    People like you will never buy the Happy Talk because you make an effort to be informed.

    Those that buy into the b.s. are either dedicated Obamacrats, partisan Democrats or people who still believe what the media tells them.

    For some there may come an “awakening” to reality. But for the others they will never see anything they don’t want to see. Willfull blindness is in the end, just blindness.

  • Obamastolemyparty,myboyfriend,mycountryandmyhealthcare

    Sadly, just like with American freedom, if it’s lost, there’s nowhere to go.  In this global economy there’s nowhere to go either:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-03/china-may-crash-in-next-9-to-12-months-faber-says-update3-.html

  • Ferd Berfle

    Sadly, you are correct, kenoshamarge.

  • Obamastolemyparty,myboyfriend,mycountryandmyhealthcare

    Jobs have been created in the land of unicorns.  They are in those nonexistent districts that got a lot stimulus money.  You just aren’t able to see them if you’re not a believer in the one and his hopey-changey agenda.

  • Ferd Berfle

    And don’t forget the $0.05 per post obamabots who squat here routinely. It isn’t real work but then they aren’t exactly worker types, either.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I would click “like” but it isn’t exactly good news, yttik.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Chicago–the land of bilk and money.

  • oowawa

    Ooooooo–I love Christmas.

    They can’t take that away from me . . .

  • Ferd Berfle

    Every day is Christmas in obamaland. All you have to do is hold out your hand.

  • Ladydawnelle

    ps.  speaking of “lipstick on a pig” just LOOKIE how influential my new favorite hero SARAH truly can be?

    Even the “infamous” X CIA dude Larry Johnson is (sort of) using your words!
    I know, I know, it’s ONLY words
    but Words are all we have!  no?
    8-)

  • oowawa

     have a solution to the whole problem: 
     
    1)  Census employment has given the employment numbers a big boost, but that will expire this summer. 

    2) The Census will henceforth be taken annually.

    3)  We will need to expand the Census workforce considerably, say by about 1,000%, and then limit the term of employment to 6 months.  Then, after being laid off from the Census, workers can go on unemployment.  When their unemployment runs out, they can be rehired. 
    While on unemployment, these laid off Census workers will not be counted as “unemployed” for statistical purposes.  Why?  Because they just won’t.

    I count you! 
    You count me! 
    We’re a happy fam-uh-lee!

  • ~~Justme~~

    Good luck, hope all goes well OD2EB.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I count you!  
    You count me!  
    We’re a happy fam-uh-lee! 
    ================ 
    Oh, no! Now it will take the better part of a day to get that awful ditty out of my head. Barney, er, Barkey the chiseler.

  • ~~Justme~~

    Where was Soros on Thursday?

  • oowawa

    How hard would it be to create edible food stamps that could provide all of a family’s nutritive needs.  It would save all that gas from people driving back and forth to the stores.  They could be made out of Soylent Green, or some other highly nutritious substance.

  • oowawa

    “The porkulus bill has only doubled my personal workload . . . ”

    Well Ferd, the company saves money, their productivity is increased, and YOU don’t have so much time to spend on NQ running down the regime’s policies!

    For them, it’s WIN-WIN-WIN!

  • oowawa

    “The Obama crowd spins everything to death.  They’re worse than 1985.  Pity the people who believe this load of crap.”

    They’re the Obama’s Witnesses!  Wait till they start going door-to-door, spreading the Good News about the New World!

  • oowawa

    Does Soros have a “fat finger”?

  • Docelder

    This is the movement that never was. Think about it. This is a professional astroturf squad headed by Axelrod. He created a faux grassroots movement using social media and blog posts. They used busloads of Chicago people to bully the Iowa caucuses which gave them the media attention. Then they pulled in Oprah and it just snowballed out of thin air nothingness. That’s all we have folks without the hype… just the thin air. Blue sky as it were. But, Jimmy Carter was a nobody before the Iowa causcus too. This mechanism is not new. Only the social media astroturfing is new. Only using celebrities to amplify the effect is new. The truth is our political process has been brokn for a long, long time now.

  • Docelder

    Should be easy enough to see who sold short all the way down and then bought on the way up. You just know somebody did. I would never invest in the stock market right now. It is like a poorly regulted casino.

  • oowawa

    ‘Bama Claus

  • oowawa

    It was Milo Ploof, who had only been hired as a trainee trader at Goldman Sachs two weeks previously.  “Oooops–I typed Billion instead of Million.  My bad.”  For his negligence, Milo was immediately fired.  Oowawa News has not been able to reach him for comment, and his present whereabouts is not known.

  • oowawa

    You know, shit happens.

    “NASA’s Mars Climate Orbiter was lost in space last week because engineers failed to make a simple conversion from English units to metric, an embarrassing lapse that sent the $125 million craft fatally close to the Martian surface, investigators said yesterday.”

  • Noogan

    High Freq [pronounced "freak"] Trading is one thing. This is another, bigger, scarier “freak” in a very enlightening article at Der Spiegel:

    “By studying financial crises over the centuries, US economists Kenneth Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart have calculated an average value at which the debt burden starts to become critical for a country: 90 percent of GDP. Above that level, economies achieve only half as much growth as those that are not as heavily indebted. This key indicator is currently at about 84 percent in the United States, but in two years the Americans are expected to surpass the 100-percent mark. In other words, time is of the essence.”
    5/03/2010 The Mother of All BubblesHuge National Debts Could Push Euro Zone into Bankruptcy

    Greece is only the beginning. The world’s leading economies have long lived beyond their means, and the financial crisis caused government debt to swell dramatically. Now the bill is coming due, but not all countries will be able to pay it. By SPIEGEL staff.
     
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,692666,00.html

  • sowsear

    When my husband was ready for retirement, the comment of one of my sons was,
    “This won’t affect Christmas will it?”

  • sowsear

    We have census workers and road construction workers: That’s just about it.

  • oowawa

    HaHa, sowsear.  He asked exactly the right question!

    Like this one:
    Mother: Suzie darling, I’m afraid your daddy is going to be moving to another house . . .
    Suzie (through tears):  Oh no! (sniff, snuffle) He’s not going to take Fluffy, is he?

  • sowsear

    I thought maybe if you applied for the out of work extension money, you might then be counted as looking for work…but then again I don’t know how it works.
    One retired guy who swims with my husband is ecstatic that his wife has now received over 56 weeks of payments-because she is out of work  and is physically limited by the kinds of jobs she can do. She will be getting the extension… 

  • sowsear

    How many will be counted multiple times???
    I’m waiting for someone to come to  our door saying we didn’t send in our census…

  • Sassy

    oowawa, recheck your picture. Mr. Moneybags is standng on thin ice! LOL!

  • Sassy

    Michelle hired a large staff, but they were all unskilled workers! She still looks and sounds the same!

  • oowawa

    And lots of those “road construction workers” are dressed in bright orange jump suits . . .

  • oowawa

    HaHaHa–is this a great country under Thee One, or what?!?!

  • felizarte

    Should we refer to him from now on as O-Katrina?  or O-America as in Omega–the end of America.

  • Sassy

    Shit happens! Absolutely true!
    When those stocks were whizzing like the altimeter on an engineless jet, lots of us confirmed that old adage!

  • oowawa

    LOL!  Exactly so!  I generally keep one eye on the stock market during the day, and I have to say, when I glanced at that chart and saw that unprecedented cliff-dive, I got an uncontrollable thrill up and down my leg and for a moment I knew exactly what kind of an epiphany Chris Matthews experienced, that fateful day . . . Whoopeee!  Do we light up a cigarette now?  Was it good for you too?

  • oowawa

    Oh yeah–the bad news about getting into the New World is that you have to go through the battle of Armageddon first and just about everybody is going to die . . . Oh Well!

  • Breeze

    -

    Truer unemployment rate rises to 17.1%
     
    Washington Post,
    by Frank Ahrens   
    Original Article

    5/8/2010

    Each month, as regular readers of this blog know, I unpack the data released by the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) to get beyond the headline unemployment rate number and find out what the numbers are really telling us. (Snip) If you also include all of the people who are still discouraged and all of those who want to work full time but can find only part-time work, that unemployment rate in April was 17.1 percent, a rate that has increased since the beginning of the year and is approaching its all-time high of 17.4 percent

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    One million seconds is about 11½ days. A billion seconds is 32 years. And a trillion seconds is 32,000 years. A rate of $1 per second will pay off the National Debt in 384,000 years.

    A trillion is an astronomical sum of money, not just a one with a bunch of zeros. (the One with a bunch of Zeros is in the White House) You can travel around the world 40 million times before you reach one trillion miles. To match the federal debt you have to make 480 million trips around the world.
     

  • foxyladi14

    the few that are hiring are going witth temps and part time to avoid paying the perks.ins.vacations ect.

  • Breeze

    -

    Since spill, feds have given 27
    waivers to oil companies in gulf


    McClatchy Newspapers,
    by Marisa Taylor

    Original Article

    5/8/2010 

    — Since the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig exploded on April 20, the Obama administration has granted oil and gas companies at least 27 exemptions from doing in-depth environmental studies of oil exploration and production in the Gulf of Mexico. The waivers were granted despite President Barack Obama’s vow that his administration would launch a “relentless response effort” to stop the leak and prevent more damage to the gulf. One of them was dated Friday — the day after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was temporarily halting offshore drilling

  • Sassy

    Breeze, I heard a short while ago that BP is moving the dome from the well head…ice crystals are forming inside it. I’m worried now.
    Fox reported this morning that a methane bubble tore to the surface and caused the explosion, and that 7 BP officials were on the rig at the time.

  • Sassy

    Speaking of Goldman, Senators Isaccson and Gillibrand did well recently.
    I guess Milo was working their portfolio!

  • oowawa

    Oh My God– :’( :(

  • EllenD

    They’re worse than 1985.

    Is that 1 tick worse than 1984?

  • susiepuma

    Question??? Hope someone has an answer – if ALL the markets crash – what happens???  Does somebody hit reset and it starts all over again – if all the money is no good – what then??? Do we go back to barter & share?  Why is Chicago the center of this? (snarc)

  • Deapthrowt

    The world has changed. There will be no “turning around” because the rest of the world is now running circles around us and have superior modern infrastructures to boot to give them the advantage for decades to come. We can’t keep up and we have become the dinosaur embarassment.

    Travel in Asia today, and not just China, but all over Asia and you can see we have gotten our clock cleaned by these “third world” nations. Put some A/C in these countries like they have in all their massive high-rises and they went from sleepy subsistence into brain-power dynamos. At half the cost. No unions there. Just pure motivation, talent and wide open horizons.

    This is not a temporary “crisis”. This is a new US reality. Prepare for this changed world. The train has already left the station and we are not on it. They took the best we could offer and plowed and fertilized it on their native soils. We got left in the dust. Go East, young man. Go East.

  • Deapthrowt

    As Greece goes, so goes California. There is a lot to learn by watching Greece. If they can reign in their unions and entitlement mob mentality, there is hope for Calfiornia. What price will Greece pay to achieve this?

  • kenoshamarge

    Your sentence “Pity the people who believe this load of crap.” explained something to me that has had me puzzled for a long time oowawa.

    If you believe a “load of crap” if you simply swallow whatever b.s. the media and the politicians are feeding you, you end up with “shit for brains”. I always wondered how that happened.

    Puzzle solved. Ingested.

  • creeper

    On behalf of the entire state of Iowa I would like to apologize.  Now, will you let some other state be first?  We’re just too damn gullible to be leading the way.

  • creeper

    Yes, Ferd, but it’s news we need.

    It’s hard sometimes to rec a comment that posts bad news.  But you can’t stick your head in the sand and ignore it.  Doing that is what got us here.

  • creeper

    Maybe just Barack Omega…

  • creeper

    Milo Ploof…designated scapegoat

  • creeper

    mr. creeper and I have been lookig for the answer to that same question, susiepuma.  Knowing the crash is coming, we’re trying to figure out how to survive it. 

    So far no answers, though barter and share is probably as close as you can come.

    I was trying to figure out if there were a “safe” place to put my pitiful retirement fund.  mr. creeper said, “It won’t matter if it’s safe if it’s not worth anything.” 

    {sigh}

  • creeper

    I’d rec this but for your whack at unions.  Unions are not intrinsically bad.  If you like your forty-hour work week, paid holidays and the security of knowing you can’t be fired but for cause, thank the unions. 

    No, I am not blind to unions’ shortcomings.  But for every Jimmy Hoffa there is a John L. Lewis.  For every Andy Stern there is a Cesar Chavez.  Tarring all unions with the same brush shows a basic ignorance of the good they have accomplished.

  • creeper

    I didn’t see this before I posted my last.  You’ve sure got a burr under your saddle where unions are concerned.  What’s up with that?

  • kenoshamarge

    I was raised in a Union Household and would once have jumped to their defense too. But I don’t think that what we have now is what we had then. I think the Hoffa types and the Stern types “won”. I don’t see the likes of John L. Lewis or Cesar Chavez anywhere today. I believe that Union Members willfully turned a blind eye to the criminals running their unions for a bigger paycheck. Greed doesn’t have to be billions to still be greed.

    And when I see the damage that public unions are doing to the economy I find little to respect or like about unions anymore. I hope I’m wrong. I really, really hope I’m wrong.

  • creeper

    Point well made, Marge.  The Lewises and Chavezes seem to be in short supply lately.

    But it makes no sense to trash a good concept because dishonest people corrupt it.

    See: America, United States of

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Braindead In Beantown…. Which two corners has the economy turned? Tell me your not parroting Jeffrey Lacker? Circling backwards? Life is just grand! I live in the farm belt and that payroll is in the toilet. Not a good sign and everything is not just Obama’s fault.

    What planet are you on these days?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Invest in China? You know what your talking about alrighty….NOT!  Idiot!