Secure Our Borders To Keep Drugs (And Illegals) Out? Nah, Treatment’s Cheaper

Pelosi has had too much botox seep into her brain…Nancy and those of her ilk are definitely what is wrong with Amerca!  Time for Nancy to STFU~~~

“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

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Nancy needs treatment.  About 30 years in confinement with a top specialist.  That would be cheaper than returning her to Congress.

that was my “word of the day” most days when I used to hang at the DNC open thread.  My biggest arguements over there were against certain far left “SANCTIMONIOUS” LOONS!!

SERIOUS SANCTIMONY over there!  like their chit didn’t stink and every republican, Independent, Libertarian, etc had special nasty degrading names and they put them ALL in each slot.  No one could POSSIBLY disagree with them and survive.  They made me think sometimes that they would SPIT at you if you disagreed with them.  SICK!  (a lot of subconscious brain washing that was self repeating)  VERY SICK!

When I think of how overjoyed I was that a woman was finally the “Speaker” I could crawl into a hole and hide. Supposedly she is a powerful Speaker. But then so was DeLay. I actually cringe when I hear some pol called “powerful”.

Of all the women in politics, of all the females who might have achieved this “historic” role we got Pelosi. She just can’t seem to stop saying one stupid thing after another. Maybe San Francisco and all her wealthy constituents can chip in and buy the Speaker a years supply of Ginkgo Biloba. It might help.

I disagree with Pelosi on many fronts, but on this one I agree 100 percent.  I would even go further and say that most drugs should be legalized.  There’s is nothing stupid about her sttatement.

Deep thinking is not Dario`s strong suit.

Right there with ya, KenoshaMarge.  I cannot believe what she has done.  I was so proud, and now I am just disgusted…

Oh great an article confirming what our complacent government has allowed for so long.  Illegals coming and going.  I was in San Diego a while back and while driving back to LA so many freakin cars were going home to Mexico after the work day.  I was totally blown away.  I thought to myself, damn all these mexican nationals who are allowed to just come and go everyday to work here in the states with no one saying anything.

Again sorry to beat a dead horse but that is my point, this government has allowed this to go on and on.  We really should be getting angry at the US government who seems to be OK with this.  Does it make the illegals coming here illegally right? NO it does not but people also need to stop hating on the mexicans just because their anger needs to be directed somewhere.  Not all illegals are bad people only a small percentage are criminals and have a disdain for capitalism.

And we are not walking in a poor destitute persons shoes with no way to feed their families and are desperate for a better life.  Until you walk in those shoes, then perhaps we can understand why illegals cross the border illegally.  They have no time to wait to be allowed in legally.  Its now or never for them and with the green light from the US goverment they think its ok. 

being X military and a huge traveller (2 l’s?) I am still on the fence about drugs (hard drugs) legalization…..  I’ve seen people function w/little problem under many hinderances and the ones that seemed to mess them up the worst was when they were drunk or (of course) on something like Meth or Crack (those never make it to work, generally) but pot?  never have I seen a problem in adults and most teens who only went that far are still around today………. the ones that did harder stuff mostly are either dead or in prison (we have too many minor drug users serving time, imo) so it goes……. I hate what alcohol does to most of the people I know that abuse it.  Can’t say I’ve been friends with HEAVY users (for long) once knowing…….  but the prisons are over run. That is a fact.

But people also need to stop hating on the Mexicans
 
No one hates on the Mexicans you need to stop preaching that line. Plus maybe these destitute people should get their own government to do something for them instead of illegally walking into another country. After all “Charity begins at home”

As a former world traveller, I agree.

And on a previous  post I have pointed out that Canada now requires Mexican VISITORS and TRAVELLERS IN TRANSIT to get temporary residency visas. These visas show how and when they are leaving and have financial guarantees among other requirements.

Apparently Canada, which prides itself on being more European in outlook, has had it with one of their North American neighbors.

Yes, Tex-Mex Soup.  “Hating on the Mexicans” is exactly what the Obama regime is trying to foment.  Why?  Because there are lots of Mexican Americans who are citizens and who vote, and if they convince this voting block that the O regime likes them and the opposition hates them, they are likely to get their vote!  This is pretty simple, and extremely obvious to me: it is exactly what they are doing!  These people got to power by being shit-disturbers: Alinsky wrote the book!  Don’t play their games.   Don’t let them turn all of this into a game of Mexican-bashing!  We can support border-enforcement and stemming the tide of illegal immigration without going out of our way to offend Mexican Americans!

Nancy Pelosi gives women a bad image…………………………………… too much botox – killed what little brain cells she has –

Look, NAFTA is as crazy as the EU concept if we are pretending that third worldish countries (Mexico , Greece,etc) can be integrated successfully financially with the top tier Capitalist countries.

This is carrying PC thinking too far, just like the resistance to profiling nonsense. First world counties have to say “Yes, we can have a limited relationship but our countries are in no way equals and you will not be treated as  our equal until you become one. Until then we will do whatever it takes to protect ourselves from decisions your country makes that affect us.

High fences make good neighbors.

No one is hating on Mexicans, but hating on people who willfully break our immigration laws. 

As for your claim that there are few illegals who break the law, I am afraid you are incorrect.  Breeze had this list in another post:

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.        
       
This is some of what the flood of immigration is doing to our country, according to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security reports:        
 
       
•95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.        
 
•83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.        
 
 
•86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.        
 
•75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.        
 
•24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally        
       
•40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally        
       
•48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally        
       
•29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually        
       
•53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.        
 
 
•50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.        
       
•71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.        
       
•47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.    
      
•63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens        
       
•66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.        
       
•380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the US to illegal alien parents in just one year.

wow those are some stats!

During the 80s I read a book called the Underground Empire. It was about billions of dollars going out of this country every year due to drugs. There are five different areas of the world that drug money goes to and none of them are friends. Under Reagan the department that was trying to stop this was dismantled. If you can find the book, please read it, It was an eyeopener to me.
I do not think there is any family in American that has not been touched by drugs. The attutude towards them has changed since I was young.  If we knew anyone who took drugs we thought they were weird and really di d not want to be around them. Now drugs have become acceptable and that is one of the biggest threats to our country.

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Wasn’t it Robert Frost who wrote that “Good fences make good neighbors”? The reasoning behind that statement is that without respect and recognition of personal boundaries, friendship and trust can not exist. The illegals who are in this country right now, obviously do not respect our laws enough to attempt to come here legally, and they’ve insulted us by ignoring our borders. This situation logically creates resentment, and this resentment is compounded when businesses knowingly hire illegals, which is similar to buying something cheaply that you know is probably stolen.

Justice is a word that somewhat embodies the concept of respect for boundaries and the acceptance of the law. There can be no justice when boundaries and laws are ignored, and the majority of Americans are instinctually uncomfortable with the fact that there are millions of people here who have thumbed their noses at our laws. And as long as the problem is not adequately addressed, resentment of this army of illegals will grow. Ironically, by ignoring or dismissing justified solutions like the AZ law, the animosity for the illegals will become inflamed rather than mitigated, and the lives of all parties involved will be diminished. Which brings me back to the point that can’t be repeated too often, and that is that the Democrats have historically fed off of the misery and discontent of their various voting blocks. Support for the Democrats is dependent upon high levels of divisiveness and anger, so the Democrats intentionally stir up the shit, as oowawa points out. They actively feed controversy, resentment, racial issues, class envy, and so on, because these are the issues that fuel their support.

So while an attempt at justice and fairness is being attempted with the AZ law, the opposition to the law seeks to destroy it to perpetuate an aggravating situation and increase the general anger that most Americans have when they feel that their neighbor is kicking down the fence between them, and borrowing their garden tools without permission. 

Robert Frost: “Good Fences Make Good Neighbors”

but “Something there is that doesn’t love a wall”-
That sends the waves of immigrants climbing over it,
That sends the coyote’s tunnels crawling under it . . .

Yep–it has to be controlled.

I am amazed that Obama and all members of Congress who have spoken out against the Arizona law, once again, without hesitation, give their opinions that clearly show they have not read the law; the same thing they did with the Health Care bill, the bailout, the Banking Reform law, etc.  I am horrified to think of all the things they have signed or voted for, without reading, or understanding.

Obama should have learned a lesson from the remarks he made re Prof. Gates, but obviously he hasn’t. Hooray for Gov. Brewer.  There’s a leader, with nerves of steel and happens to be a woman.  If I were Obama, I’d watch out for her.  She might just be his opponent in 2012.

Immigration needs a top-to-bottom review/revision.  All laws pertaining to how people are allowed into the country should be reviewed WITH TRANSPARENCY, according to ordinary citizens’ definition and not that of Obama.  Without a complete review, how does Congress make reasonable or sensible Immigration reform laws?  If Sen. Lieberman cared to review existing rules and regulations of the INS, he would know that there are already a number of provisions in the books that allow the US to revoke anyone’s immigration status, including the granting of citizenship.  There is no need to spend time and money.  There is so much temptation and opportunity to corrupt immigration officials from the border to those who process documents, down to the decision on which companies to raid. Ordinary Americans do not hear complaints about the INS; after all they don’t ever have to deal with that agency unless they are trying to process someone’s papers.  But to me, it has to be the most inefficient and unfriendly agency in the U.S. govt.  Habeas corpus does not apply to iNS detention.  They can literally detain people for years without a hearing.  But the ACLU would not be interested.   

As someone pointed out, any Home Depot is proof of the INS inability or unwillingness to enforce immigration laws.

And I don’t understand the fuss over racial profiling.  If an APB were to be issued to the cops looking for a suspected bank robber, white, 6ft tall, blonde hair; they certainly wouldn’t be pulling in black/brown curly haired people of african or asian or latino ancestry.  And vice versa.  I’m afraid, profiling has gone the way of racism–it is overused and has become a crutch for not doing anything right.

How does Pelosi keep getting elected?

I said it on a post yesterday but it’s worth repeating, Never underestimate the stupidity of the Far Left Califorian voter. In Pelosi’s case, the even FARTHER Left San Francisco voter.

I hadn’t seen that headline, oowawa.

I should say that as a GROUP, I certainly do not hate Mexicans.  Far from it. I resent groups like those demonstrating in AZ demanding rights for groups who don’t deserve them, i.e., illegal immigrants.  Or the high school kds in CA who would infringe upon the rights of US ctizens to engage in free speech, especially when that free speech is wearing the image of the American flag. 

Bottom line, that is a continual red herring thrown in by Tex Mex Soup to try and change the conversation, and to try and paint those of us who believe in LEGAL immigration as racists.  I say we not give her any more air time on this one.

“We’re being suckered from every direction” 

That says all you need to know. The lack of integrity has spread like a plague from the top of political institutions and corporations into everyday life. And it has become acceptable.

But not acceptable to me.

Amen to that, LisaB.  It is morally repugnant to take the chance that our teens will become addicts, and then treat them, rather than ensure they don’t have access in the first place.

I am not surprised, though, that this is the route Pelosi would recommend.  She has been far from a pillar of morality.

As helenk suggested, Pelosi must be benefitting from what is going on in some way, despicable as that is…

All those politicians who think they will have the Latino vote by pandering, using the immigration issue are making a big mistake:  non-citizens can’t vote, except those who already know the chances are nil of being prosecuted for registering to vote illegally and so they vote.  This should point out the need to really require identification from all voters.

2) Immigrants who made the effort to “fall in line/wait their turn/comply with rules . .” are not sympathetic to those demonstrating, demanding immediate legalization.

3) Latinos are not a monolithic group, i.e.:  Mexicans do not exactly like the Latinos from other South and Central American countries and vice versa. Just take a look at Mexico’s immigration rules as they apply to all those who go through their country to come to the U.S.  Just ask any Guatemalan, Hondoran, Brazilian, Venezuelan, Cuban, Salvadoran. They are not a solid voting block. They don’t even speak the same kind of Spanish.  Many, upon being granted citizenship, just want to be American.

I am anxiously waiting for November, so we can throw all the bums in Congress, out. 

I am of the opinion that, like Prohibition, it has failed miserably.

Unless you are a cartel. In that case it has been a better success than the Dow.

Legalization of Marijuana would put a huge dent in the problem. It is the #1 recreational drug and has the highest demand of any of the illegal drugs.

You hit the nail on the head. Prohibition made the Mob and the Kennedys. Drugs are doing the same for the cartels.

I agree Lady D.

Marijuana is not dangerous, except to a developing brain. And the price of making it illegal far exceeds the benefit.

Legalization would take a big bite out of the cash cow we have given the cartels.

Cocaine may even be safe enough to legalize and regulate.

But, opiates, meth and other drugs in those classes are highly addictive, and very dangerous.

Of all the women in politics, of all the females who might have achieved this “historic” role we got Pelosi.

I would add to that of all the blacks, we got O’Dumbo.

To paraphrase Thurgood Marshall, I want more women and minorities in government leadership, but not the wrong ones.

Just Me—That’s gorgeous…and festive. Thanks!

Amy, the drug war and trying to seal the borders is a joke. It will never work. It is a waste of time, money and resources. Better to legalize drugs. You could have all the money in the world and you will never seal the borders of the U.S. You are wrong. Pelosi makes some very good points.

Margaret, I am so sorry to hear abt your friend.  My heart goes out to you.

And I agree – Pelosi hasn’t the first clue…

yes let them fight a corrupt goverment, with what may I ask?? with sticks and stones? protest for them to get shot?  corrupt governments don’t fuck around and will KILL you.  and IF you actually read my post in its entirety instead of focusing one line I often say these folks need to change their government and I hate to burst your bubble but people are hating on the mexicans and that is a reality and NO I am not going to stop preaching that line.  Perhaps if hateful  comments stop being posted against the mexicans then I won’t say that.  Its that simple.

LOL I know you are referring to me dude and its about time you step up to  the plate and say so.  and pardon me, I don’t feel bad at all that I was born brown in America.  Thats right dude, I’m a fifth generation TEXAN.  I’m sure that just chaps your oklahoma-”texas” accent doesn’t it?  That someone can be proud to be an American other than a white person.  We don’t all hate this country as you think we do.  You don’t have to learn to hate the illegals mexicans you already do, just friggin admit it already.   Don’t hide behind the immigrate legally cry, I grew up with your kind if you are truly a Texan and its sickening to hear it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/alien_WU7CcuvTMg4n2yBzWqSPMI

This close enough for  govenment work is getting to be a littel bit too much.

Government workers get the pay check DO THE JOB. There is no reason for these kinds of things.

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Hateful comment? Wow you really need to understand hateful.
 
Sorry but you carry the resentment that the Mexican government does not look after their own.
yes let them fight a corrupt government, with what may I ask?? with sticks and stones? protest for them to get shot?  corrupt governments don’t fuck around and will KILL you.
 
They need to vote in people that will work with them just like any other government. So stop putting words into my mouth when in fact they are your own words. Continue with the victim line all you want it is the likes of you that decide to add the guilt line of people are hating on the Mexicans and so it continues. Americans want their border secured and people to come here legally that’s the top and bottom of it pure and simple. Maybe you could exert your energy in doing something for your people instead of repeating the same old line.
Don’t bother replying to me I am done listening to your hating talk.

“Support for the Democrats is dependent upon high levels of divisiveness and anger, so the Democrats intentionally stir up the shit, as oowawa points out. They actively feed controversy, resentment, racial issues, class envy, and so on, because these are the issues that fuel their support.”

A perfect summation of the Republican Party’s m.o. (with the exception of “class envy”)

“Americans want their border secured and people to come here legally that’s the top and bottom of it pure and simple. Maybe you could exert your energy in doing something for your people instead of repeating the same old line.  ”
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I agree, ~~JustMe~~. If mexican find their lives so bad in their country, they should demand change. I would further add that if the Mexican government is so outraged over Arizona’s new law, then perhaps the government there should do something to help their own people so they no longer have to come here to take such “abuse”. Wow, this is incredible. A sovereign nation not having the right to secure its borders? The dickens you say.

never mind RRA don’t tell me how you feel cause I don’t give a shit and I’m done with this hateful subject just like oowawa. I’m done on this, I used to love coming on here to see the common ground about obama but now its practically everyday we see a story on illegal immigration focusing on the mexicans.  I just about fell off my chair with laughter when someone posted they are against ALL illegal immigration but yet we have never seen ONE story on here about chinese illegal immigration or russian illegal immigration.   
 
This has gotten so fucked up and I am tired of my opinion based on my heritage which brings a birds eye perspective get dismissed like I’m some kind of asshole.   
 
fuck it I’m done too,

DID IT EVER OCCUR TO ANYONE ON HERE THAT THE COMMENTS BEING MADE ARE HURTFUL?? for one split second? damn

“It is morally repugnant to take the chance that our teens will become addicts, and then treat them, rather than ensure they don’t have access in the first place.”

Amy, after decades of our utterly failed drug war, do you actually believe that our government could ever “ensure” that our teenagers don’t have access to drugs through the means we are currently employing?

oops—”predominantly”

Well, I for one am glad if Tex Mex is indeed gone.  I don’t cotton to being called a hater, or racist, for that matter, when reporting/commenting on actual issues, like what is going on in AZ and CA.  I have been very clear abt what the issues are. This constant refrain of hatred/racism from the get-go is intended to silence any dialogue.  Sorry, but we are wise to that here.  
 
It is not RACIST or HATEFUL to acknowledge that the majority of  people protesting in Arizona are Mexican Americans, and some illegal immigrants.  To deny the reality of this current situation necessarily makes any conclusion faulty. And to continue to deny it makes any attempt at a solution to the rampant illegal immigration impossible.  
 
And Borders, I believe Breeze stated the source for those stats. 

Thanks, Cindy, for sharing your experience with us.

You’re right, Tex-Mex.  As long as we fight and bite one another, we won’t notice what’s being played above our heads.  This is being encouraged: white on bown, conservative on liberal, young on old, straight on gay etc. etc. etc. and vice versus. It’s all about distraction.  Find and kill the enemy, the virus, the other that’s fouling the works up.  Pit region against region, race against race, religion against religion, sexual orientation against sexual orientation and we’ll be so used up we won’t even notice the lame, ridiculous excuses our politicians are using for doing nothing.  Or even worse than nothing: voting against our best interests.

And you know what?  It’s working beautifully.

Extraordinary comment, Peggy Sue.  Yes indeed, this is what is happening.  It’s worse than “razzle dazzle ‘em.”  It’s more like instigating a bar-room brawl, or engineering a diversionary explosion, while the treasury is being robbed.  Nobody will notice!  They’re good at it!

It is probably hard for some to be objective. It is plain and simple. Think of it like a neighborhood. Mexico is our neighbor, it would be best to have good relations with your neighbor. But if your neighbor is always coming into your yard and taking things that they think that they “need” more than you do… well then the 6 foot privacy fence isn’t enough. Maybe it’s time for the 10 foot privacy fence and a surveillance system. All I am saying. Good fences make good neighbors.

Plus treatment success isn’t guaranteed.  With alcohol, AA has the best success rate, and it’s only 10%.  It’s my understanding that the other drugs have lower success rates.  So putting all the eggs in the treatment basket is NOT going to work….

The original data I should have mentioned in the alternative explanation below was looking at “outstanding warrants” (not yet served) for murder in Los Angeles are from illegal immigrants. Obviously, they don’t commit anything close to 95% of the murders in LA. Distortions of fact to inflame passions are everywhere. The 95% figure qualifies as such an inflammatory claim IMO. And it does facilitate iresponsible and misleading messages to post statistics on any subject without first subjecting it to a variety of interpretations.

No doubt Tex-Mex would also agree that outrage is Outrage is appropriate but it needs to be tempered with reason and purpose. 

If we didn’t share a 2000 mile long border with Mexico and if we didn’t see film of hundreds Mexicans entering this country illegally and if we didn’t know that there were millions of Mexicans here illegally we wouldn’t be focusing on Mexicans.

We don’t share a border with China. Thus we don’t have Chinese walking across our border by the tens of thousands every year.

ALL illegals from every country need to be denied employment and citizenship because they have shown that they have no respect for the laws of the country where they are residing illegally. Certainly that is not a reason to allow someone to become a citizen.

Millions of illegals are also guilty of identity theft. I don’t care what their race, color or country of origin is. I don’t want them to be allowed to do this. Deny them employment, fine and incarcerate those that employ them and the flood of people will go in the other direction.

I am the granddaughter of immigrants. (Well one native American ancestor made the mistake of allowing all you white folks to settle here.) I believe in immigration. But get in line the those who earned their citizenship had to do.

It’s not about race or even country of origin, it’s about reality. Some may be opposed because of bigotry or hate. I am not. I am opposed because it’s wrong.

From what I hear, they were not expelled, not even for a day. For minors,the new law calls for enrollemnt in a drug education class and some mandatory public service.  “Don’t worry, nothing will happen to you”. Might as well lt them carry a beer or two, We wouldn’t want them to have any boundaries.  
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I’m more concerned over the crap being taught in schools, which is rotting our children’s brains, than I am a baggy of pot. Moreover, the failure to punish the students is not the fault of the drugs, now is it? We can criminalize everything in the world but if we fail to punish, the lesson is lost. In addition, when anything not considered appropriate, which amounts to everything when looking at aggregate opinion, is made illegal, then the entire system grinds to a halt because our system was not designed to micromanage every aspect of each person’s life nor should it. One only need look at our penal system to see what happens when anal-retentive control freaks take charge.

RRRA:

We are doing a lot to the tune of 2.6B per annum just for the DEA. The problem lies not with the runners or even the Cartel but with those who use the stuff. From practical to even expedient rationalizations, our policy has not worked, is not working, and will never work because where there is demand, there will be a supply. The Cartels know it and so does our government, yet they fail to act because everyone is wrapped around the moral axle. As a moral issue, I do agree but when confronted with the very simple truth that what we are doing is not working, one must modify the strategy to fit the reality. What does one do when something is not working? Apparently in the case of illicit drugs, we double down with interdiction while getting the same or even less results. It is insanity. It is time for a change. We are currently throwing good money after all the wasted billions that could have been put to much better use. As I have said and will continue to say, we should have learned the lesson of Prohibition. If we want results, we must try something entirely different. Of course, executing anyone caught using drugs might have a profound effect but it not exactly moral; continuing the current path will only delay the inevitable as we play the never-ending game of whack-a-mole, which is neither rational nor effective. So what does that leave us? I’ll leave you and the good readers to decide.

I am afraid to say anything to our Dario.  Last time I did I was called out by a person new to the site.  We have a country infected with germs like this Dario.  I just stay far away from them because I don’t want to catch the brain-eating disease they have.

Tex-Mex Soup,

Our government could also put some force into its demands on the Mexican government to clean up its act.  I hate the fact that governments play nice with each other the way they do.  When the policies and behaviors of a government hurt its people, then our government should show some spine and tell them that there will be no acceptance.  

I used to think the U.S. government had the moral superiority to do that, but recently I no longer feel that way. 

And the trial and error approach of picking off individual offenders (Arizona’s law) until you get to 12 million is ultimately as winnable as ‘demand-side’ drug strategies that incorporate treatment and education.

If the U.S. really wants to reduce illegal border crossings  then it needs to go after the web of illegal jobs trafficking kingpins, smuggling networks and gang-related infrastructure supporting the immigration trade just as it goes after the drug trafficking kingpins.

If the U.S. really wants to reduce illegal border crossings  then it needs to go after the web of illegal jobs trafficking kingpins, smuggling networks and gang-related infrastructure supporting the immigration trade just as it goes after the drug trafficking kingpins.  
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Which part of we have been doing this very thing for 40 years are you not comprehending? Interdiction had not worked, oes not work, and will not work. The overwhelming evidence is there for anyone willing to actually take an honest look. Doing the same things over and over again while guaranteeing a different result is what you are proposing. I’m not buying. A very simple process-flow diagram would demonstrate the complete failure our policy has been. You want the illegal crossings to stop–put up a BARRIER. You want illegal drugs smuggling to stop-legalize marijuana AND put up a BARRIER. Set aside your moral arguments, long-held beliefs, and your trust in the ability of the government to do much of anything and look at the hard, cold, and impersonal data.

Thanks, Oowawa. I didn’t check my quote and attribute it, which is just as well as I screwed it up.
I can always count on you to ride to the rescue!

Legalize 90% of the dam things and take the $$$$ out of the dealers pockets…That will end the illegal drug crap. Stopping the flow is much more expensive and a huge political risk than treatment. But that is also bullshit.  Either annex Mexico and stop the booming drug business or legalize it…

Anything that comes from seed that people could just grow should be legal. Anything that occurs naturally that can not be patented is not a drug. I have issues with anything that has to be concentrated or produced chemically. Those are drugs. Plants are not drugs. I think we tend to over think and to over correct ourselves alot of the time. Catch people importing cocaine and throw away the key. Catch them cooking meth and throw away the key. But if plants were legal, nobody would buy that product. Then drug efforts could be focused on the actual drugs. Makes a lot more sense to me.

I think it’s likely our “worthy leaders” have not read the AZ law.  But I suspect that even if they did, there would be no difference in their behavior.  The goal of our post-racial, unifying (TM) president is simply to manipulate all of us.  This is just one more way to distort things in order to make there be an “us” and a “them”….

Frank Luntz is doing a group poll on Hannity right now, the audience is on both sides of the AZ law issue.  The anti- people keep insisting people are going to have to carry around their birth certificates!  They’re sticking to the ignorance level and getting themselves all worked up over a law that parallels the existing federal law.  It’s a d*mn shame the MSM can’t provide real reporting…

Does Nancy Pelosi have any idea how stupid that comment was?  Well, no, of course not.  Education?  Chaper to treat?  Does it occur to Madame Speaker that many kids wind up dead before getting to treatment.  How about those who are seriously wrecked and still don’t seek treatment?  Who would you want to let the drugs in in the first place so kids could become addicted — dsoes she have any idea how tough rehab is and how costly (emotionally) not only to the one needing treatment but to the family.

These kinds of comments fall into the gross insensitivity, i.e, “let them eat cake” category.

Here Nancy Pelosi tells the Catholic community how the Catholic Church, has to play a major role to preach on immigration from the pulpit.

http://tinyurl.com/2bwejfj

Just mindblowing Teak!

Yes Jackie, it is clear to everyone how you feel about the world. What is not clear to us, is what could have possibly been your major malfunction that has caused you to be so incredibly fucked up.

Yep, that is a lot of it for me as well. I look at it like this… I have been working and filing taxes for thirty years. I have done everything above board, did what I was supposed to and we have the housing crisis make my house worth half, investments worth half. Here we have illegal aliens and we are supposed to feel sorry for them because we have more than they do? BS. We have more because people like us have planned, educated and worked our whole lives to have more than an illegal alien. It isn’t for any other reason. Still with people like us who have worked and paid taxes and sacrificed our whole lives damn illegal aliens just come over and take what they want, steal identities, cheat and lie to get social services. Yes I am pissed. Who decided that we who have done everything we have supposed to do our whole lives need to support a nation full of people who never did anything right? BS again. I am trying to figure out at my age and with 50% of the assets I had two years ago how I am supposed to ever retire someday and put my kids through college. Because they were born in Texas and nobody is going to give them a damn thing unless I can figure out how to pay for it. I guess if they were illegal aliens… don’t get me started. It doesn’t have one thing to do with race. it is about what is fair. These new democrats are screwing Americans out of everything they have believed in and have worked for their entire lives… and for what? To win damn elections? BS.

Most of those that are objecting to the AZ law are knee-jerk reacting to imagined fears as was evident on the Frank Luntz segment of Hannity.  No matter HOW MANY times the dialogue turned to the law being written to eliminate profiling, they clung to their fears.

Emotion was making them deaf to the truth.

Or how about just round them all up when they get out in our streets protesting and demonstrating.  Duh.

Mexicans are stealing from Americans.  When people are the victim of crime they often end up hating the perpetrators.  Mexicans should accept that.  You break the law, you get consequences.  These people are just like the terminal welfare crowd.  They want make Americans feel guilty so they can take everything they want from America in exchange for giving nothing.  The more we give, the more they’ll take.  

Hey ~~Cindy~~
Well, she is more concerned that every Mexican is allowed whatever they want regardless of qualifying or any of the laws set forth on entering the country. Sometimes we need to step back on issues that are too personal and this is a good example. However her language to RRR Amy on the last post I read before she came back at me was utterly disgusting and if she ever posts again I will skip over her comments. Unfortunately this is what happens in FREE countries that offer their citizens a good way of life if you work hard and plan your future. There will always be hangers on form other countries that come in and once their numbers are such, start demanding RIGHTS. They start chipping away at the laws until they feel they have more right than citizens who were born and bred here or who moved here under the correct channels. As for the comment on Chinese and Russian illegal’s, what she forgets is most of these have to come in through immigration if they do not have the correct documentation they are either sent back or taken in and sent back as soon as they can be put on a return flight. Plus these people are on visas & should be easier to track if they outstay their visa.
Regardless illegal is illegal and does not change the fact they entered our country without the correct documentation and should not be entitled to FREEBIES or an easy ride to become legal. I would feel exactly the same if they were illegal Swedes, Brits, Australians or Italians.

Hey ~~Cindy~~
Well, she is more concerned that every Mexican is allowed whatever they want regardless of qualifying or any of the laws set forth on entering the country. Sometimes we need to step back on issues that are too personal and this is a good example. However her language to RRR Amy on the last post I read before she came back at me was utterly disgusting and if she ever posts again I will skip over her comments. Unfortunately this is what happens in FREE countries that offer their citizens a good way of life if you work hard and plan your future. There will always be hangers on from other countries that come in and once their numbers are such, start demanding RIGHTS. They start chipping away at the laws until they feel they have more right than citizens who were born and bred here or who moved here under the correct channels. As for the comment on Chinese and Russian illegal’s, what she forgets is most of these have to come in through immigration if they do not have the correct documentation they are either sent back or taken in and sent back as soon as they can be put on a return flight. Plus these people are on visas & should be easier to track if they outstay their visa. Of course many overstay and immigration should make sure these violators be returned once they come on their radar. Regardless, illegal is illegal and does not change the fact they entered our country without the correct documentation and should not be entitled to FREEBIES or an easy ride to become legal. I would feel exactly the same if they were illegal Swedes, Brits, Australians or Italians. 

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Contrary To Amnesty Supporters,
Illegal Aliens Drain Social Security
 
Investor’s Business Daily,
by Rep. Lamar Smith 
  
Original Article

5/12/2010

A recent Rasmussen Reports survey revealed that voters remain concerned about Social Security and whether the system can deliver what the government has promised. According to the survey, 58% of U.S. voters lack confidence that the Social Security system will pay them their future benefits. Advocates for amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants like to claim that amnesty will “save” Social Security. They also claim that dramatically increased immigration levels will safeguard our retirements and those of our children because more people will pay

TexMex you should know better than to believe what you have written. No one hates the Mexicans just because they breath.
What we are really talking about here is an anger raised by the government we elected (yes we did) that does not enforce the laws we have on the books and the laws they swore to uphold when they were seated in their positions.
The Mexicans are merely trying to sell their drugs to the stupid Yankees from the north. So they can support their families. I guess.