The Implosion of TalkLeft

Face it, the GOP is so void of actual leadership that Palin had to be fast tracked.

It doesn’t mean she couldn’t develop into a first rate VP. If anything it may help reduce the role of that position.

Biden would probably get a lot done within the Senate, provided they keep the majority on the back of a candidate atop the ticket with such high negatives.

That isn’t to say the top of either ticket inspires that much confidence. One has nothing at all qualifying him for the office, the other is possessed with Napoleonic syndrome.

Again, Sen.Joe Biden has the kind of contacts to continue the ambitious VP role like Cheney does.

I think things have settled down. I agree that this is a place where the discussion is interesting and civil, thanks largely to Jeralyn. It did get weird for a few days. I hope it has stopped now.

Last night Jeralyn Merritt put up a post that the National Enquirer was saying they had the story on Palin’s affair with her husband’s friend. In the comment section of that ugly, unsubstantiated post, Jeralyn Merritt responded to a comment that the baby was so good through the entire event with her belief the baby was probably drugged to keep it quiet. She has since cleaned that entire thread of comments (from 200 down now to 58), but many copied those comments for posting elsewhere.

Jeralyn Merritt spent years establishing TalkLeft as a place of reasoned, intelligent discussion on topics. She has turned it into a rag in less than a week. That’s a lot of time, effort and money invested to just throw it away in her state of furied, hyperventillating, jealous trashing of Sarah Palin.

The Kossification of many of the great left blogs has been a sad thing to witness.

I’ve always seen Biden as a potential VP, but in this case, the top of the ticket is all that matters to me. I don’t relish the idea of either of these VP choices being suddenly made CIC, but then there are few I would like to see there. I’m comfortable with McCain, as I was in 2000.

Jeralyn = Stupid White Person

I’m sorry to see this happen.

I stopped visiting Talk Left when, after the Obama coup, Jeralyn indicated that anything other than positive words about the Democratic Party and the presumptive winner were off the table.

While I’m sure many people stayed to argue, I didn’t because what’s the point when you’re told that your point of view is not welcome there.

Talkleft gets way too much credit. They don’t deserve it. During the primaries, they took advantage of the fact that certain people needed a niche. They were a default place, not necessarily a quality place.

The moderation was often welcome, granted, but sometimes arbitrary to the point of outrage.

Jeralyn sometimes had a decent post, intermixed with her talk of Ipods and other latest shallow yuppy trends. I’d also like to draw attention to the fact that the only convention coverage she gave was of the local bar and grill. Next campaign her press credentials should be given to someone who actually wants to cover the convention. TChris was koolaid drinker to the point of caricature. BTD had some good posts however, his penchant to harass some of his commenters negated to a great extent, the contribution he made.

Now the site is gone and should be forgotten. People have to move on and create or find other places to go. Other places exist, just as the defunct TalkLeft existed. Spend your time finding those places rather than writing post mortems on what you lost. In reality, what you lost didn’t exist at all.

I’ve dropped by TalkLeft several times in the past week. It feels different, but I think it may survive Obama.

I don’t know how many people walked away, but there remain some strong objectors to the Obama fairy tale.

Polite objectors.

Gotta be polite.

It’s only “calming down” because Jeralyn probably can’t find anything new to trash Sarah Palin with.

Jeralyn’s tirade was so intense that she will never recover the respect she lost. She’s banning people who are trying to calm her down and make her look at what she’s doing. That CNN Grill must have been serving some really strong stuff.

She took those coveted blogger credentials and never posted a word about the convention, just the amenities…CNN Grill and Arianna Huffington’s Oasis spa. She went to the convention for the freebies. Bloggers who would have shared real information and descriptions of the energy of the delegates, etc. were denied the credentials she squandered!

Jerylyn talks down to the commenters, as if they are little children and she is the judge/jury/executioner.

This is indeed sad. TalkLeft had been a place of intelligent discussion of the issues, with very little tolerance for trolls. That it has declined into polls about Sarah Palin, and equating her to Eagleton, is most unfortunate.

I, too, did not always agree with BTD, but I appreciated that he tackled a lot of important issues. Very telling that he is taking a break now…

Well, I guess so, after numerous people asked to have their accounts deleted, others were outright banned and a slew of others just aren’t there anymore, disgusted with the tabloid posts that are justified with “if the MSM reports on it, so do I.” Hey, if it’s good enough for John Edwards, it must be good enough for Palin, right?

From civil discourse to echo chamber in less than a week. Sad.

as a frequent commenter there I am saddened by what has happened. I can only hope things get back to normal.
and most of all I hope BTD continues blogging. somewhere if not there.
if its somewhere else many in that community you mention will follow him. most of the good ones are either gone already or afraid to comment.

Yes it’s her blog and she can do what she wants but she has now driven many interesting people away with her new orders of criticizing Obama now will get you a warning. Too much or the “wrong kind of criticizing” will get you banned.

Such a shame. It had been a place of even-handed civility for awhile.

Somehow I doubt that Obama and Axelrod will listen to much of what he has to say. I have a bad feeling that Axelrod will run things the way Rove did for Bush. I believe that Bush’s turning away from Afghanistan to rush to war with Iraq was Rove’s idea. A lot of Republican operatives believed that reelection depended on having success in a war, even if it is a puny war like Reagan had in Grenada. They attribute Carter’s loss to his not having a successful war. I think Rove told Bush to go after Sadam ASAP so that things would be settled by 2004. Remember they really did believe the cakewalk silliness and did not think Afghanistan would be quick.

Although I am not saying I think Axelrod will encourage Obama to start a war (Dems don’t believe that is what gets them reelected) I can see Axelrod getting Obama to make reelection his first priority so that everything he does will be geared to that. We will get more things like his FISA vote, excessively pro-market solutions, etc. That is why I am really unsure of what he will do as president. His speech hit the right notes – except for the assault rifle remark. How bad is it that he set his sights so low that he only wants to keep them out of the hands of criminals, something the Republicans believe in (or pretend to) instead of vowing to reinstate the ban? That is something that is supported by a strong majority, not to mention law enforcement. I love it when the “law and order” right opposes cops. It’s so much fun!

On the other hand McCain may not be that concerned about a second term, given his age and might be willing to just crack heads and clean up his party and the corruption they have brought to our government.
There was a very informative discussion about McCain and his background today on NPR’s Fresh Air. The guest was David Kirkpatrick who has written a series of articles in the NYTimes about McCain. I learned a lot and will read all his articles.
The audio is already up if you want to listen:
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13

Wasn’t Zero Bo for brushing people off his shoulder and scratching his nose with his middle finger before he was against it?

more flip flops

I think we’re heading for a catharsis.

Obama’s Mount Everest of bullshit is ready to collapse. That will be too bad for all those kool-aid kids stranded on the slopes, tied together by mutually reinforcing delusions.

That’s hust a feeling I got reading TalkLeft. There’s desperation in the air. Palin brought it out, somehow, I don’t know how.

It’s hard to refute authenticity.

FOX just reporting…..37 million watched Palin.

One of the best things that it has going for it is the ability to respond to specific comments. I think that it enables people to really delve deeper into topics. I only comment on BTD links now.

She took those coveted blogger credentials and never posted a word about the convention, just the amenities

I’d read between the lines, give her a little credit.

Maybe she didn’t find anything worth reporting.

I dont always agree with him but his integrity is unquestionable. his lack of hypocrisy and zero tolerace for bullshit made him an island of sanity in an insane blogosphere.

I’m just saying…

The kool-aid is wearing off.

A large contingency of former TL commenters managed to find each other and create a secured discussion group. It is fun, respectful, and there is no need to set rules because we are all grown ups.

Given Sen. Biden’s voting record, I would not like him in Cheney’s role.

NOW IT STARTS FOLKS:

After viewing Palin’s speech, a greater number of respondents across all parties believe that selecting Governor Sarah Palin for vice president will help John McCain’s campaign. Republicans were especially positive about the implications of this pick, nearly three-quarters of whom suggest that this nomination will “definitely help” his campaign. After viewing the speech, 70% Republicans say they will “definitely” vote for the McCain/Palin ticket after viewing Palin’s speech.

There is a positive change in how independents anticipate voting in the Presidential election after viewing Palin’s speech, with a 9% increase among independents indicating that they will probably or definitely vote for the McCain/Palin ticket after watching the speech.

Palin’s speech proved to be equally effective in swaying votes for both men and women. Among the independents who watched her speech, respondents who report that they will “probably” or “definitely” vote for McCain increased by 10% across both genders, around 38% of female independents and 36% of their male counterparts.

http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J6992-Palin/Index.cfm

how many watched Obama?
anyone know?

I guess I have come to expect the National Enquirer to publish trash

but shouldn’t authentic Journalist report facts with out all the spin and let me decide?

I don’t want my journalist to tell me what to think just report what I might want to think about. I can make my own opinions but it is really hard getting to the facts.

And then to top it off i have to come to work every day and listen to my co-workers sighting the an article from the MSM i.e. US weekly that is a compelte lie and they don’t realize it or just hate so much that they don’t take the time to research.

As political fortunes have changed this year, I’ve had to shed a bunch of once great sties that used to be for Hillary. When they suddenly went for Obama, I had to drop them. Now, there’s a shift by a lot of Hillary supporters to McCain-Palin–a sizable chunk of the PUMAs.

For many of us, this election is going to come down to character and integrity.

I sometimes feel I am in a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Yes, very sad.
Hope BTD gets his own blog where various opinions can be published and discussed.

can you direct me?
I assume you recognize me. I somehow missed those directions.

Don`t hold me to it but I think it was 38 million.

Justin Raimondo wrote a good piece on Biden

Obama’s Cheney

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13378

Oh yeah, his latest piece is titled September Surprise. Word is that the attack on Iran is literally weeks away. True? Not True?

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13401

Where is it?

I have missed Talk Left since the end of the primary. I just found it impossible to continue reading blogs that berated me for not falling in line with the corrupt and empty DNC and its equally corrupt and empty ticket.

You guys at No Quarter and Talk Left kept me sane during a nasty primary season. BTD, even though he didn’t support my candidate. always called out those who made malicious and gratuitous attacks. Thanks for letting me know his identity.

It seems the entry of Palin into the race has prompted a few good people to lose their sanity. I understand it in a way. The DNC and the cowardly Obama have allowed a gifted woman to be introduced into American politics and she stands for so many antithetical values…all because he wasn’t brave enough to stand
beside Hillary Clinton.

And yet.

Sarah has walked the walk on standing up to big oil companies and corruption and brought real change to her party and her state. And our DNC candidate must demand ever larger props and grander venues to try to make himself look presidential and competent.

Its enough to makes some of us pop a gasket or to break our hearts all over again.

I believe it was 38 million.

Good point…

It’s hard to refute authenticity.

The first thing to go was their sense of humor.

Those who disappeared founded their own place and started a discussion group where they can say whatever they want.

Very true.

if you dont want to post it publicly you can send it to my junk address:

red_vlx@hotmail.com

thanks

Heh-Heh. It’s a horserace.

The Palin background video we never saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddRoiVWfLyU

Mr. Murder, I’m curious is
Obama Jonsin’ for another limo ride with Larry Sinclair? Woe be to Barky if that limo driver shows up, uh, um, if he’s still alive. I wonder if the R’s have him under wraps.

If they attack Iran the economy will shit down. They may allow Israel to, it will accomplish the same thing.

One naval mine can ruin an oil tanker’s whole day….

….or TL commenters have been banned with no warning and all comments deleted.
There will be absolutely NO questioning of THE ONE.

see my request and email address downthread.

Yep. No horns. No bible thumping. She’s not what the O’Boys said she was.

Hallalujah! I’m free at last!

What’s happened at Talk left is the same thing that’s happened all over the blogs. “Simply bizarre” is a good way to put it. People have lost their fricken minds and any shred of integrity they once had.

I left a group a few days ago because upon the announcement of Palin, they immediately posted a piece of faked out porn that’s been going around. I simply asked them to delete it as has been their policy all along. At which point they immedately attacked me using all the usual sexist terms. This is a group I have belonged to for five years. Five fricken years. Worse, they’re 80% women.

Obama has led us down a path of anger, hatred, and insanity. And he hasn’t even been elected yet.

I saw on Talk Left how they had banned sexist attacks against Palin and then decided to remove that ban because now anything goes in love and war, apparently.

I’ve been having a lot of funerals for people’s integrity lately.

Exactly. When one knows deep down that there is something wrong with the party and the ticket, and support it despite their principles, they disconnect and yield to the elements around them. One can not think rationally about a subject or person that you are in denial about.

I guess I have come to expect the National Enquirer to publish trash

PuLeeeeze. The BatBoy series was highly incisive.

She reported she stayed in the CNN Grill from 3:00-8:00 PM one day. What part of the convention was there? She didn’t even bring her laptop that day.

You’re too generous, Mr. Natural. She posted photos of Arianna Huffington (more than one), the spa, her friends, Frank Sinatra’s ex-wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry (that was so blurry, it actually could have been anyone), and Dee Dee Myers. She said she wouldn’t go in the blogger tent with all the other bloggers because it was too hot.

I just had some comments deleted for suggesting there was filth coming from the left directed at Palin.
WTF

I agree, I still could not understand why he supported Obama though…

Like the arm twisting and aborted, sham roll call.

he honestly believed he had the best chance to win until late in the primaries.

It’s not possible to comment on Talkleft anymore, so what’s the point? I couldn’t believe Jeralyn came back from the Dem Convention and told all posters they had to tow the line–is that like the Comintern? Neither BTD or Jeralyn wanted Obama in the first place. This is evidence of what a divider and a disaster Barack Obama is.

I believe it’s better to have a Democratic Congress and a Republican president. McCain/Palin seem to me to be people who will not push their private views on Americans and will stand up to corporations and lobbyists.

between the the top ticket and second ticket?

WOW.

Invitation was just sent to you

Check your junk mail folder if it’s not in the inbox.

Its interesting to me how bugged the leftists are over Palin. What’s the deal? She’s a REPUBICAN. They keep critiquing her on her non-liberal views, like she should have Democratic views or something. It only shows how worried they all are that Democratic women will vote for Palin after the stupid Dems were too hateful and shallow to run Clinton.

We’ve been trying to find contact info on you.

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it actually worse than that. the ban on the (excuse the term) FILTH coming from places like Kos was ultimately lifted because, get this, Palin invited her new son-in-law to the convention.
???
I know. I dont get it either.

thank you

LOL! You really are a grade A idiot. The US Navy can secure the Strait of Hormuz with its eyes closed. Granted, oil prices might spike up temporarily, but the US economy would most certainly NOT “shut down”.

Now I understand why you support Obama. You probably watch Saturday morning cartoons too.

Yes, Palin is quite different from Obama whose political career was FUNDED by Washington lobbyists until Jan. 07.

Well, that’s truly sad. Sad and ignorant. Infants born with DS are known to sleep overly long hours and Governor Palin’s baby is perhaps a case in point.

While not agreeing with Palin’s politics, I find the trashing of her character by liberal blogs abhorrent. It seems they are picking up where they left off with Hillary.

Charles, I agree with you, it is past time for BTD to establish his own blog. I peruse Talk Left a couple of times every week and after “the drop-out pool”
was posted, I knew she was following the marching orders of the get-on-board crowd.

The drum-beat for Sarah Palin’s early demise is eerily reminiscent of another such attack on a female candidate of recent memory. Same shit, different day.

Perhaps they are sending a message that it’s best this nation wait yet ANOTHER 25 YEARS for political equality…

Capt Howdy – I remember your comments well. They were always reasoned, and IMHO, on target. Nice to have you over here, but it is unfortunate that TL has imploded.

If BTD starts a new blog, please let us know!

Sad… its good to see you commenting here Capt Howdy. You always made me laugh and think at TL.

really
I think it partly come from the fact that they convinced themselves that her pick was solely to attract Hillary supporters. which was always idiotic. that fact was eventually admitted my even Tweety following the speech last night.

Exactly!
Yesterday Jeralyn said Palin was just a media creation.
When I responded with “and Obama isn’t”?? – she went postal on me.

h/t to boston boomer at confluence:

…You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life. There’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad….The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

ditto

I heard that the BET network and another network did not air the Republican National Convention on their station which would mean that if they did broadcast the RNC, more people would have actually watched Sarah Palin than BO.

I think it’s just a phase for TalkLeft. With new candidates (an African American and a woman) we are in uncharted territory. It’s just like not being able to say out loud Obama was arrogant because that’s synonymous with uppity – people are figuring out what’s fair and what isn’t.

This is a temporary foray and she is an important voice on the left for criminal justice issues.

BTD should have approached Jeralyn privately first. He’s a good guy but can grandstand especially when he disagrees.

It just shows how difficult it is to be your own reporter, editor, and publisher. You handle ad prices and traffic as well as content and editorial decisions, and you have to remember to be fair. If you stray from the CW too much, your traffic takes a hit, your ad prices go down.

BTD was greatest in analyzing polling data. He really has a nose for demographics and hte stastics.

I heard it was 28+ million for Obama; 26+ for Hillary.

Last night and the morning after on the Obama Campaign Blog, in response to a letter by David P; It looks like they are going back to the well on the racism accusations, what a surprise.

y democrat 14 Sep 4th 2008 at 12:32 pm EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 12:32 pm EDT)
There is a huge difference between mudslinging and delivering a much needed response to last night’s spectacle.
Also, on another note…the Dems need to shut Geraldine Ferraro up!

By William in –Tennessee– Sep 4th 2008 at 2:50 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 2:50 am EDT)
What I saw tonight was an old Klan rally.

By William in –Tennessee– Sep 4th 2008 at 3:00 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 3:00 am EDT)
No, I mean a 1800′s klan rally. John Mccain Great-grandfather owned 52 slaves.

By Lynne from Richton Park, IL Sep 4th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 2:58 am EDT)
Someone in the Obama campaign should publicly step up to the plate and admonish the Republicans for their blatant racism since they said that Democrats refused to say middle east terrorists during their convention. Democrats don’t label one particular nationality because we know that terrorists come in all races. The last time I looked, Timothy McVey was white and definitely NOT middle eastern.

By Laurita Sep 4th 2008 at 3:18 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 3:18 am EDT)
The RNC insulted Barack, Michelle and us and proved once again how out of touch they are with the rest of the country. Just look at the Xcel center; old, white and botox

By SMraleigh Sep 4th 2008 at 7:28 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 7:28 am EDT)
More like a KKK induction than a representation of America.

By Esther from Chagrin Falls, OH Sep 4th 2008 at 7:17 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 7:17 am EDT)
No Minorities…..should be the GOwP ….Good Old “white” Party. This is very scary and indicates that the common person is not important to the GOwP.

Where is the “we the people”?

By RINNYFOROBAMA Sep 4th 2008 at 7:48 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 7:48 am EDT)
you hit in on the nail!!! we need to totally blast them on that ASAP…

more and more i realize that the repubs are hard core racist and rednecks….and i really hate to say that..
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By GeorgialovesObama Sep 4th 2008 at 9:33 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 9:33 am EDT)
I agree. I’m angry this morning! When are we going to hit this witch back?? She isn’t even worthy of being Governor or Mayor. She’s a hillbilly! She has the audacity to try to bash someone?? She has some family issues she needs to be tending to!
By silent reader no more Sep 4th 2008 at 10:16 am EDT (Updated Sep 4th 2008 at 10:16 am EDT)
yes, she is pimping out her kids…plain and simple. There are millions of Americans who have special needs children, who made the decision to carry their child to term, and there are many Americans who may have wanted to, but because of a lack of healthcare, resources and support thought that abortion was the more compassionate choice than bringing them into a world where the parent would not be able to care for them.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gG5r4m

Then why did they lose the war game trying to do that?

The David Plouffe Letter

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gG5r4m

Message from David Plouffe: ‘What you just saw’
By Sam Graham-Felsen – Sep 4th, 2008 at 2:33 am EDT

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Campaign manager David Plouffe just sent out this email…
Dear Friend –

I wasn’t planning on sending you something tonight. But if you saw what I saw from the Republican convention, you know that it demands a response.

I saw John McCain’s attack squad of negative, cynical politicians. They lied about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, and they attacked you for being a part of this campaign.

But worst of all — and this deserves to be noted — they insulted the very idea that ordinary people have a role to play in our political process.

You know that despite what John McCain and his attack squad say, everyday people have the power to build something extraordinary when we come together.

Will you make a donation right now to remind them?

Both Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin specifically mocked Barack’s experience as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago more than two decades ago, where he worked with people who had lost jobs and been left behind when the local steel plants closed.

Let’s clarify something for them right now.

Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.

And it’s no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.

Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America’s promise by organizing for change from the bottom up. Community organizing is the foundation of the civil rights movement, the women’s suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it’s happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.

Meanwhile, we still haven’t gotten a single idea during the entire Republican convention about the economy and how to lift a middle class so harmed by the Bush-McCain policies.

It’s now clear that John McCain’s campaign has decided that desperate lies and personal attacks — on Barack Obama and on you — are the only way they can earn a third term for the Bush policies that McCain has supported more than 90 percent of the time.

But you can send a crystal clear message.

Enough is enough. Make your voice heard loud and clear by making a donation right now.
Thank you for joining more than 2 million ordinary Americans who refuse to be silenced.

David

David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

thanks. I love your posts. I dont comment much here but I lurk a lot.
will do about BTD. he was there for a while this morning and didnt seem happy on any level.
I feel bad for him. I think he feels he really cant say what he thinks about what is happening.

I really liked Palin’s comment “our opponent has written two books about himself, yet he has written no major legislation” Self absorbed a little.

Shorter David Plouffe:

As Bob Dole once said: “Quit lying about my record!”

P.S. Money talks. Send some. Now.

The frothing Obots are stupidly worried that Democratic women will vote for McCain/Palin. Some will, of course.

But McCain actually chose Palin so he could unify his party. Snagging a few PUMAs will be icing–a “nice to have,” though not the point.

Anybody who watched how Sarah Palin was received last night by Republicans on the convention floor saw that McCain’s pick was brilliant. On some level, the Obots have understood that as well, from the time Palin’s selection was announced. That spells doom for Obama, and deep down they know it. Hence the panic.

Also, if McCain is elected and serving only one term, there will be only one Democrat who can take on Vice President Sarah Palin in the campaign of 2012. That Democrat is Hillary Clinton. No wonder the woman-hating blogger boyz are consumed with fear and loathing.

serriously! Palin got 9 million more viewers than Obama?
thats gonna leave a mark.

Ah, I see today’s new talking point. Palin is “pimping” her children, therefore she is no longer a human being and we can doing anything we want to her.

How quickly they forget the outrage when Hillary was accused of “pimping” Chelsea.

It’s about authenticity and integrity. That’s what sells trust to the American people. This isn’t how you win elections.

hey thanks guys
I always lurk here. looks like I will be commenting more. one thing is for sure. I cant keep my political mouth shut. it has to go somewhere. and more and more of them are getting deleted there.

I love to blog to lurk, you feel like a family, then something happens & the creators of the blogs goes nuts, Jerlyn, Taylor Marsh is where I went after KOS,americablogs went nuts, found another fav blog & now they are going private. I will keep looking till I find a new place to settle into. Please LARRY, Susan, Uppity stay as you are we love & need our blog fix.

Suggesting?? – there’s PLENTY of evidence.
WTF is correct!

Jeralyn is too yuppie for me. I cite photo of her with her new attorney son last spring. She’s a groupie for an imaginary celebrity. She hasn’t found them yet, though.

wow
its like old home week here today.
I think the problem with TL lately is not that different from the problem more widely with left blogistan.
panic and desperation. they are absolutely atwitter that what we have been telling them for a year could be, you know, true.

This is true:

TV-One network and BET network DID cover Obama’s speech.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/07/tv-one-to-cover.html

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/aug/15/bet_network_start_weekly_news_program50899/

BET, the most-watched network aimed at blacks, also will air Barack Obama’s speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination on Aug. 28 live, just like its competitor TV One. Neither network is airing John McCain’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention the next week.

Oh, I’d forgotten about that one!

Well, when a REAL hockey mom can stand up and deliver, who has a REAL working husband, someone who’s not “properly papered,” who’s gone from the PTA to the VP, hey, I’m impressed.

And just to keep on the thread, I quit reading TL after that farce in May, after the DNC just let it all hang out and told us we were going to get Barky whether we wanted him or not. I always read BTD’s posts first, anyways, and had pretty much quit reading Jeralyn’s.

How cute–they’re still trying to regurgitate the same, old talkin’ points against a real American. Bark’s campaign looks like it’s turning into the next textbook example of everything to do, and say, to lose an election.

Big Tent Democrat is the only reason TalkLeft is still in my RSS reader, I already deleted Taylor Marsh and Anglachel and a few others because they jumped on the bandwagon.

I still have Think Progress only because they stayed neutral between Clinton and Obama, but I rarely ever read anything there.

Which leaves me with The Confluence, The Real Barack Obama, TexasDarlin, Savage Politics, Hillary is 44, and of course No Quarter.

BTD should leave TalkLeft, and if he does they will lose a lot of regulars including me.

Waaaa waaaa waaaaa! It’s hilarious to listen to them crying and whining about bambi’s “community organizer” song and dance being mocked.

This after the bambi campaign shot out of the box trying to mock Sarah for being a “mayor of a small town” completely leaving out the fact that she’s the extremely popular and effective governor of the largest state in the union in area. Sarah’s remarks were at least partly a response to their BS – and they know it – it’s just that whining has always worked so well for them…….

It’s the same way they’ve always mocked women for “whining” about sexism, then they turn around and whine about racism – with the bobble-heads in the media cheering them on.

Well, here’s a big KARMA’S A B*TCH! for ya barky!

That image of Palin’s young daughter licking the palm of her hand to smoothe Trig’s hair – is priceless.

We watched the RNC’s roll call and I almost cried. They’re doing it all right this year (the RNC) and the DNC’s just looking like a freaky collection of bobble-headed fools.

Great. So proud of my almost three decades of Democratic Party membership, and voting.

I laughed hard when Palin mentioned the Styrofoam columns of the My Little Unity Pony Magic Greek Temple. So did the audience. Oh, how the mighty are about to fall flat on their megalomaniac asses.

I totally agree with you. A Democratic Congress and a Republican president works for me until whenever the Democrats come up with a qualified presidential nominee.

I do like to format for comments there for your reasons…

The average Obama supporter is clueless about “community organizing” and the real arm twisting, graft and corruption it involves. Axelrod just wants anarchy in my opinion.

And, apparently, there’s new evidence that Obama didn’t get into Harvard on his own merits, that he was courted by certain questionable connections and entered through the backdoor, as it were, furthering the mystery of how he got where he is today since he was in Occidental and Columbia. Nobody knew him, nobody will stand up for him now as his former classmate. Just how dumb can Democrats be anyway??

Amen Denise

I don’t want my journalist to tell me what to think just report what I might want to think about. I can make my own opinions but it is really hard getting to the facts.

Thanks, Capt! (Btw, I used to post at TL as AmyinSC, just so you know.)

I feel badly for BTD, too. And I am really, really surprised by Jeralyn’s turn like this. From what I had seen of her, this seems SO out of character! I mean, really – she was so excited abt getting her creds for the Convention, and then she spends the time blogging abt superficial things. That just doesn’t seem like her. Dang, that Kool Aide must have something mighty transformative in it!

Anyway, glad to have you here and to see your comments! You are a welcome addition!

What a shame. After I could no longer Stomach DU….which is where I hung out for the last 7+ years, I found TL, NQ, The Confluence, Jake Tapper’s Political Punch and Taylor Marsh. After Hillary quit the race and Jeralyn forbid any BO bashing, I left TL and never looked back. I haven’t been back to Taylor Marsh’s site either or Tapper’s site (they delete posts all the time there if your opinion doesn’t mesh with the moderators).

I always respected BTD’s opinions…didn’t always agree with him, but he was always FAIR. I do hope he starts his own blog. I’d visit often!

Uncharted territory: like the McCain-Palin embrace last night.
Obamabots: did you see her pull away from him?
sheeeesh

I see some of the other members from TL at River Daughter’s place and Alegre’s Corner.

I really miss so many of the the discussions we had there. TL was a nice refuge for awhile. I lost heart to comment at TL when Hillary suspended her campaign. It did not feel the same anymore.

I last checked in during the Democratic Convention, I could not believe how former trusted members were being called chatterers and were being limited the number of times they could post and other shenanigans going on.

You think Anglachel jumped on the bandwagon? I must have missed that. She’s not a PUMA, and has said so, but since when is not being a PUMA jumping on the Barackwagon? That’s just false.

Anglachel says she has no dog in this fight. To me, that’s the only position of real integrity for a progressive Democrat to hold. At the same time, I won’t criticize anyone’s protest vote for McCain/Palin, especially in a swing state, and especially because my living in a deep-blue state means I have the luxury of more choices when it comes to protesting the DNC and the Obama machine. By virtue of geography and electoral realities, other people are going to get stuck with my dirty work this time. I salute them.

But back to Anglachel. She is the most astute progressive political analyst blogging right now. She does NOT deserve to be lumped in with a feckless hack like Taylor Marsh. Please.

I know JoseyJ, that little girl won me over, that is for sure!

Regarding TL, there’s just no “there” there. All the voices of interest have gone.

I read The Confluence, SavagePolitics, Hillary is 44 as well.

Did anyone mention Tom in Paine?? I discovered his blog only recently, so now I’m going back and reading everything he wrote.

He’s very rational, logical, straight to the point.

Palomino,

No wonder the woman-hating blogger boyz are consumed with fear and loathing.

Ain’t it the truth? How sweet it is…

As for TalkLeft, I lurked for months but never posted. I’ve been observing the events of the last week with my mouth hanging open.

It occurs to me, however, that Jeralyn may simply be another Taylor Marsh or Rachel Maddow, i.e. she’s more interested in her career as a pundit and therefore in sucking up to The One, than she is in any kind of real political analysis/commentary.

That, or Axelrove has the TalkLeft Kid tied up in a basement somewhere…

I wrote a comment on TalkLeft a few days ago addressed to Jeralyn, discussing my extreme disappointment in where the blog was heading and her nasty attitude. I told her that I would never return again, even though I used to visit the site at least 10 times a day.

Yesterday, I actually did return to TalkLeft to see if she, or anybody, had responded to my comment. Guess what happened? My comment was deleted; in fact, all of my previous comments were deleted and now I don’t have the ability to read any comment by anybody!

I guess that’s how they treat “different opinions” over there.

Uh…Yeah. It’s been a very sad spiral into shame at TalkLeft lately.

Jeralyn and TChris are a complete waste of time. I only read TalkLeft to see BTD’s opinion because I respected his opinion. He has principles, which he isn’t willing to compromise, from my longtime knowledge of him.

Since BTD isn’t posting his reasoned, rational opinions, then I’m not reading TalkLeft. If he returns, and if Jeralyn comes back to her fucking senses, then I’ll read TalkLeft again.

TChris is completely worthless, I’m sorry to have to say. His opinions are so far left, they’re ridiculous. I mean, c’mon, TChris has never met a felon he didn’t think just needs a good hug.

I don’t support the death penalty, but only because we are putting innocent people to death [Read The Innocence Project blog site, and then read The Death Penalty Information site]. But even I realize that some people deserve it even if I’m against the death penalty system in our country.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/

Josey J,

I saw that. She also went postal on Goldberry/Riverdaughter, threatening to ban her IIRC.

I’ve only been lurking TalkLeft for 6 mos. or so, but I understand it’s been around since 2002/2003, and only went outright political fairly recently…?

Seems to me the best thing Jeralyn could do now is to return to the earlier format, giving up the political* topics for her true and orginal interest and expertise.

* Since everything is politics, I guess I should add a qualifier: she should give up electoral politics.

Jeralyn has gone to the dark side.
She, just like Taylor Marsh said
that they would be in the business of
defeating McCain. Instead they have gone
against their word and have gone all out for
Obama, even to the extent of denying all
of their past reservations about Obama.
Sad. Marsh has gone to the mysoginists.

A first I thought it was sad to see some of the sites I frequented (TPM, TM, TL, Ameriblog, etc.) lower there quality and abandon self respect, but then I realized, it’s not that they’re bad people or anything, it just maybe that they are a lot more flexible when it comes to they’re integrity than they let on. They are adults and they are responsible for their decisions. They don’t owe anyone anything as far as what they say on or do with their sites…and I don’t owe them anything either. My attention, trust, effort are all valuable to me and they all must be earned. The owners of those sites will have to deal with the fleas, louse and chiggers that they chose to lay down with. With all that said…if No Quarter changes like that I’ma hafta put a foot in somebody’s ass. Size 13, D width. Thank you.

>>> My comment was deleted; in fact, all of my previous comments were deleted and now I don’t have the ability to read any comment by anybody!

Welcome to the club.

This whole authoritarian and fascist attitude from “progressives” has been a real shock to me over the past 18 months. DailyKos, TalkLeft, Taylor Marsh, MYDD, used to be “must read” sites for me. But, one by one, I was banned for not carrying the water for the “blog owner.”

Now, I was simply supplying facts at DailyKos which didn’t follow the authoritarian talking points maintained by the Kossacks. I was banned from Taylor Marsh for saying Taylor was disrespectful to Hillary Clinton after she accused PUMA of being disrespectful to Clinton. She didn’t like being accused of the same thing she was accusing others of; Okay for Taylor to be offensive and disrespectful, but turnabout’s not fair play at TM. I was banned from MYDD for posting a source in a list of sources that didn’t sit well with Twit Todd Beeton. He didn’t like the SOURCE for my comment. So, I was banned from commenting until I accepted and acknowledged his refusal to allow me to read whatever sources I liked.

Now, THAT, my friends, is FASCISM. And, so, I must conclude, after the past 18 months, that the left is fascist, and Jonah Goldberg is right to label them as such, much as I loathe Jonah Goldberg. And, I’m just not willing to surrender my independent thought and critical reasoning to suit anyone elses’ agenda. Sorry. No can do.

I own my vote and I own my opinion. I try to stay abreast of facts as much as possible, and I’m open to dissenting opinions. But leftists like MYDD, Kos, Taylor Marsh and now TalkLeft are not open to dissenting opinions. How fascist of them.

Ouch! LOL
No Quarter is like a spray of Glade in a row of horse stalls.

This post is a bit over the top.

Denver is Jeralyn’s hometown, so she was rightly proud of how the convention played there. Also, she gave a behind-the-scenes glimpse at the pampering that even non-MSM bloggers get there.

I hope she gets back to blogging about criminal justice issues.

I met Jeralyn in Chicago at ykos (I know, I know – I’ve since run away from them screaming) last year – I told her what a big fan I was of TalkLeft, which was totally and absolutely true at the time – actually it was true until June of this year.

On a similar note, I met Taylor Marsh at ykos in Vegas the year before, along with Christy Hardin Smith of firedoglake – same sort of conversation.

I used to admire all three of these women very much – I mean they really went a long way in breaking the glass ceiling of the boys’ blogging club.

Of course, you meet a lot of people at these conventions, certainly not all women, but I bring these women up now because I’m so flabbergasted at the way they are now twisting themselves into pretzels to attack other women in such hateful and illogical ways.

Me too, Cap’n. Welcome aboard.

Can BTD come and work at No Quarter???

The roll call is the will of the people. The dumbass DNC screwed that up royally. What’s the point of a convention without showcasing the people’s true feelings about the candidates? It’s cathartic and it’s healing for both winners and losers. The DNC acted like a criminal organization, and history will not judge kindly.

I quit visiting TalkLeft for the reasons mentioned. If BTD starts his own blog or lands here, that’d be great.

I stopped reading TL because I was appalled at BTD’s defense of Kos’ sexism, his personal attack on a writer who called Kos out on it, and his rude abuse of women who tried to set him straight.

I don’t miss TL at all. I couldn’t care less if BTD stays at TL, leaves to start his own blog, or blogs at the big cheeto. Just sayin’.

That isn’t true, BTD supported ob all along. He said he thought the media backed candidate would be the best and strongest one to chose. BTD was always very fair with his criticism of ob and was not part of the tingling leg faction but did support him. Jeralyn backed Hill.

The site had accurate and intelligent comments – mostly due to a censure of any thing less than PC though it was not a place to vent feelings or say what you felt emotionally. “Obot” words were banned.

BTD’s support of ob never struck me as particularly strong and his reasoning of ob having the media backing was entirely a non-reason. I wouldn’t support a bad candidate just because the media did and visa versa with a great candidate the media hated.

The two odd things that struck me about the site were the irony of it all. BTD’s very name was clearly ironic after the “memo to base – stay home” and RBC meeting debacle. The other was Jeralyn’s long time ranting on how truly awful Biden is.

But they are good people whom I admire and both times I just winced in pain for them and knew they had to find their support for ob/biden and the new tiny little tent DNC a hard jagged pill to swallow.

BTD and Jeralyn had some excellent research and they took the high road most of the time.

That said, when they drank the kool-ade I stopped posting there. I do go back now and then and glance at some of the threads, and I agree with you about Chris. He wasn’t on the main board when I read the site daily and the little I have read of his is not worth reading or interesting – it would only lead to BUT BUT BUT posts.

Sadly, they occasionally knocked this site and others and over time they did seem to lose touch with the truth or maybe more likely they became dedicated to pushing an agenda they didn’t believe deep down. How could they believe it —- they are the ones who made it clear they were against so many of the very things ob and the obots represent.

BTD and Jeralyn back then struck me as sincere and honest, and I truly believe it must be hard to give that up and join the parade of fools insulting Palin and supporting Biden.

NQ had unwavering support for Hillary and has been ground zero for exposing and vetting ob. NQ has also been in the moment for each and every turn of events – such as at the very birth of PUMA. And it does it with humor and comfort through the darkness.

TL doesn’t hold a candle to the passion of this site because TL chose to stifle people from expression.

NQ ROCKS!

My 2 cents. No offense to TL. They can’t support McCain – they would have to change their name to TR!

Actually, BTD was always a tepid Obama supporter because he felt Obama is the “media darling”.

I used to go to TalkLeft and comment sometimes. But, after Obama stole the caucus delegates and the nomination TalkLeft turned upsidedown.

Jeralyn didn’t like hearing Hillary’s name, or Obama-Hillary comparisons, anything negative about Obama, and definitely don’t ever mention Obama’s corruption or that he stole the delegates and the nomination.

It got to be like a deaf, blind, and dumb Obama site so I stopped wasting my time going there.

Taylor marsh is the same thing. It seems they drink the Kool-Aid and go deaf and blind. It’s like it destroys the thinking part of their brain.

Oh well, I don’t care about them anymore. I found NoQuarter and I love it. First stop in the morning
and last stop at night. And, a million times in between. Thank you, NoQuarter, you are the best, #1.

Yeah, I haven’t checked, but I stated in my post that I believed she would delete it. Just can’t believe that Jeralyn has completely lost all sense of Democratic ideals. The same as the the orange site without the cuss words.

I saw that!

They never had one. That was what struck me way back in January. When little stupid things would happen and the news would comment on them – such as Hillary momentarily confused by a coffee machine in a convenience store – they blew it so out of proportion as PROOF SHE IS INCOMPETENT in hundred of posts. Many Clinton supporters tried to inject humor, to add a little levity – the obots responded with insults such as “that stupid bitch is a retard” and “she is an old ignorant hag who is out of touch.”

Nothing was too small an item for their hatred.

“no dog in this fight. To me, that’s the only position of real integrity for a progressive Democrat to hold”

its been my position since the nomination was awarded to Obama.

Agree and he really discussed the abhorrent sexism and took it to the bloggers and their inane horrendous posts.

Yeah, I saw that and I just specifically posted to her about how ridiculous this was (in a respectful and polite manner). I’m sure that post was deleted as well.

Angalchel has not jumped on the bandwagon. She is like I am, “no dog in this fight”. A pox on both their houses is my motto and I am writing Hillary in and backing FDR/Clinton Democrats.

Yes, Grape.

And then, the final straw for me, was calling Sarah Palin a HICK.

I was speechless.

It was the very moment I realized Jeralynn was truly having an internal meltdown, struggling with new-and-improved Jeralynn who hung out with Arianna-dahling and got free massages, yakking it up at the bar, but posting little substantial info about the convention—–and the old Jeralynn who had been a struggling single mother herself, champion of the little guy in the criminal justice system, against police abuse with tasers, grounded.

Celebrity, like power, corrupts. We-must-be-like-Arianna-now. YUK.

Not to mention that I miss the Democratic Party that used to STAND FOR those little people in the small towns and never, never, never would have dreamed of calling any of them, “hicks.”

I’m from a small town. I have 2 graduate degrees–although I’m no lawyer, as she is—and now live in a big city, doing quite well. But I carry those small town values with me every day, and proudly.

Those small towns, whether you like Sarah Palin or her politics, are the true backbone of America, and most of their people are the salt of the earth.

Not cool or snappy like Arianna Huffington, but salt of the earth.

I am DONE letting snobs like Jeralynn or Arianna or Donna Brazille or Keith Olbermann tell me I’m somehow “less” than they are. Unwashed, under-informed, just shut up and get in line.

And I represent HUNDREDS of Americans who found Sarah Palin compelling, while she threw in Jeralynn’s face, figuratively speaking, the fact that she doesn’t give a sh*t what snobs like Jeralynn and Arianna think of her.

I DO miss BTD. A fair and decent human being, thoughtful, rational, respectful (mostly).

I’m glad to see a number of TL’s posters here. I read many a thread where some sneered at this website as being “less than,”
without ever dreaming that they, too, would become “less than” and banned.

Welcome aboard!

I agree. Anglachel is not another Talk Left or Taylor Marsh. She has said that she cannot vote for McCain but she will not vote for Obama. She has made this clear since the beginning and hasn’t changed her mind at all on this. This is understandable. She’s a progressive who finds Republicans appalling, period. She along with many of us here should have been on the Obama bandwagon but she has too much integrity and sense for that. She has promised to blog on political strategy and theory from now until November. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Just because she doesn’t support McCain doesn’t mean she’s an Obamabot. She has also come to Palin’s defense when it comes to the personal attacks from the Left.

WOW. All I can say is WOW.

Love the polar bear pin she is wearing in one of the pics. Before the environmentalists (like myself) doubt her credentials they should pay particular attention to her repeated statements regarding the lower 48 telling Alaskan’s what to do with their state.

When I moved to the pocono mts from NYC, the omnipresent deer were delightful. The first winter I watched herds of 50 roaming around my house in a two feet of snow starving made it clear the hunters had a very needed function. Families here stock their freezers for the winter – it isn’t just tradition it is practical. Hypocrites who eat cow and pig balk at hunting to cull the over population.

What is beneficial for Alaska and the wildlife there is likely very different than what the city dwellers think should be done. Sarah supports the 10th amendment and state rights. Alaskan’s have the right to do with their land what they will – and they support their Governor.

Great Video Harp, very moving.

I’m hoping Armando will start his own blog. Jeralyn has definitely jumped the shark since the convention.

I have always really enjoyed Talk Left, in the last two days, not at all. I was really surprised by the actions taken there and the things read. The Palin drop out poll was beyond the pale, wishful thinking will not make it so. The National Enquirer diary was not at all worthy of Jeralyn, I was stunned by it and some of her comments and reactions to others. Perhaps she was “star struck” at the convention, perhaps some obamabots kidnapped and her forced her to drink gallons of kool aide, perhaps she is hung over from all the partying/koolaide!!??. I like to think one of these scenarios might be responsible for the meltdown into insane hatred over there and she will come to her senses – her blog she can do what she wants, but I hope she takes a step back and a good long hard look in the mirror.

If Armando is going to be gone for a week, I don’t know if I will be checking in there at all. Now Armando could be overbearing as all get out on the big orange, but I enjoyed him immensely on TL, he was, well BALANCED, nuanced and respectful of Hillary.

I think when progressives start acting and becoming exactly the same (and worse) as those that they detest, it’s a sad day. The ends, in my opinion, do not justify the means.

Watching Palin speak last night and the convention, I thought about how sad it is that we have to hate each other, slime each other, family’s, etc. No wonder this country is such a mess, we’ve let the hate mongers on both sides take over and all they do is distract and make noise and keep the issues from seeing the light of day. Perhaps this is purposeful…!??

i believe it’s called “payola.” explains tm and tl, and a host of other blogs that drop me and others away. certainly would explain jeralyn’s crazy dictatorial behavior of late. what a waste. i never agreed with btd and his surly attitude toward anyone who disagreed with him usually turned me off; however, i have a newfound respect for him lately as he is for the most part boycotting writing for tl.

oops… DROVE me and others… sorry.

Hi Capt. Howdy
I always enjoyed your zingers on TL. You were so often right on and one of the first to say the DNC was totally crooked and “tough love” was the way to go. And you’re turning out right, all right.

Exactly what happened to me, Josey.

One short email, calling me a racist, and then blocked and banned.

All that, for posting an exact quote–in quotation marks—from Rev. Wright.

No opportunity to explain or discuss.

He also is—-dum de dum—a guy. I found it terribly lame of BTD to say that Hillary lost him over the AUMF vote, when over and over he would actually rationally describe how she was better that O, or O wasn’t so good in his own right. He has the capacity to analyze that vote as her best move at the time, in view of her speech (and since then she was proven right about Russia), and compare that to a non-Senator’s vote–Pfft. It’s reaching to the guy.

Yes. I’ve been going to Talkleft for months. I thought it was a haven in a sea of anti-Hillary blogs, even though BTD insisted he was for Obama. I was always able to say what I think, even though I will not vote for Obama and didn’t hesitate to say why.

But a few days ago, someone took offense at one of my comments and flagged it and she deleted it. I replied to his remaining comment that, I could be banned, but that I tried to source my material and stick to the facts and that banning what I said about Obama wasn’t going to make it untrue.

I came back later and every post I’d ever written was scrubbed.

You are right that BTD was the main reason for going there, along with Jeralyn’s really good method of keeping things on track and not allowing insults and profanity. I came to really appreciate that. But she now seems to have gone off the deep end and will not allow free speech, if anyone disagrees with her. Watching people on formerly compatible people turn into Obots is really weird. Is there something in the water?

Sarah got more votes as mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden got for President of the United States.

And her speech was a huge success.

Biden? Who even remembers?

I meant “formerly compatible blogs”. Ooops.

well said.

Yes. And you could see in her face how muched she loved that “special” baby. A wonderful reflection of Sarah’s family’s closeness.

Anglachel had a really good post on why. The Democrats were treating Hillary voters like they had no place else to go, not even throwing them the crumb of letting Hill be VP. When McCain chose Palin,they immediately saw the threat. By vicously abusing Hillary and the most faithful members of their base -their behavior might actually cause them to lose. And, of course, it’s too late now to make amends.

Interestingly, they just switched to demonizing misogyny thrown at Palin,including taking the line that she shouldn’t be allowed to be VP cause she should be home taking care of her children. Guess our “progressive” party doesn’t have a concept of irony.

Yes. My friends send me leftblog talking points like, “What if McCain DIED? Palin would become President.” On one blog –maybe it was here -or the Confluence, I can’t remember, someone said “What if Biden DIED? Obama would be President!”
LOL

I didn’t know what a blog was this January. I started surfing for a different reason and discovered how general “comments” are, and then blogs. I liked TL at first because of the orderly discussions. After reading “comments” on news, for instance, it was refreshing. BTD lost me when a poster said that if BO/BS were the nominee, he would work against that unqualified so and so, and BTD said “You would work against him? Then I despise you.” It was both of them deleting posts that disagreed after that. My conclusion was, they are both attorneys. BTD is in his own words a corporate mouthpiece. Jerlyn is a criminal attorney. Both of them have to take the position that their clients are “right” and defend them, but obviously sometimes an attorney’s clients are not “right,” they are immoral crooks. Yet the attorney has to defend them. So they fall back on parsing words. If the words are in the right place– if the right person said them– if they were said in a certain order– it proves, their client was “right” after all. Now in that mindset, they have taken on the client “Democratic Party.” So if they can’t win for the Dems on the party’s merits, they can spin words. Their client, however, is a loser.

Thanks. We will all wait for Hillary to be back in 2012 and defeat McCain/Palin.

HILLARY, ALWAYS!!!
HILLARY 2012!!!

I want to go there. Is there some way to find them?

You know i only had to visit the sight once Kos, and a few others to know that was not where i wanted to be, I could tell by reading the comments they were in the tank, and well i visit here because quite frankly I get more information from here by checking up on it, than i have ever received other than Fox, I was once a vivid Cnn watcher but not anymore, the onluy one i think has a clue over there is Lou Dobbs, but its as if everyone climbed under the bus and put their integrity away in a box, and played follow the leader because the pide pippers songs and Koolaid was just sending them into a high, that they forgot to come down from , and when you question any of them, they try to pass of Hills plans for this country as his own, she come out with one , and low and behold his will mirror hers, plagerism mmm lifes plagerism for him, all he ever does is promise change but has no real plans or convictions on doing so, thanks NoQuarter for the very reasons to keep voicing out what went wrong in this years election, how a man can come in from Chicago, of really doing very little to help the very people he is asking for their votes, and be in a senate for 3yrs and for a 1 1/2 be on the road to campaign for president.
Can we say good ole boys system and chicago dirty political machine, ?
Just a question, Has anyone noticed how all those expected riots that they so voiced out at the DNC, never appeared, but all of the sudden Ayres is bought into the picture, and the same groups are now causing violent ruckuses in St Paul, and as you look at the groud how many young people there are? Was not Ayres part of the antiwar groups well would not be surise to me if he is , and that the Chicago machine is part of it, since they are causing a rukus at the Republican gathering mmm , oh well i suppose we will find out soon who is behind that eventually

Well for me Hill out of the race, integrity and character is what im voting on, and Obama just does not have it, I own my vote Puma McCain Palin 2008

Yes, just a couple of comments above yours tells you how.

I think the change in Jeralyn occurred while she was hanging out at the Dem convention. It looks as though the person who kidnapped Josh Marshall got to her too. What a tragedy. It really was a good blog. But then again, there used to be alot of good Liberal blogs. As I said from the very beginning of this election, the only “change” I have ever seen Obama do was to change a bunch of formerly rational bloggers into blithering idiots. It’s really creepy when you take inventory of all the “A-List” blogs which used to be so relevant, but have now completely lost all of their credibility as a direct result of their fanatical support of Barack Obama.

Yes, just had two more because I agreed generally with the post on Steinem but Jeralyn had a gratuitous anti-Palin comment and she deleted both and the also the posts I replied to as well. In fact, even her comments to the original poster who questioned her comment in the post.

Totally bizarre! I remember when we used to laugh about the “person who kidnapped Josh Marshall”. I imagine I will be banned now since I left a comment that here’s another comment you can delete.

I sincerely doubt it since he said in several posts NoQuarter was not his cup of tea.

With the real strange ways these bloggers are behaving, I am beginning to think that there is payment going on between the Obama campaign and these blog owners. It is not conceivable to me that all of these sites would so swiftly go beyond the pale as they have without some outside influence.

I have been following many of these blogs from their inception and I have never seen this behavior before. These bloggers are now the MSM – no difference.

Yes the liberal bloggosphere seems to be dominated by people who are afraid of old fashioned debate. Isn’t old fashioned debate what this country is built on? Oh. Yeah. These people don’t necessarily have a high opinion of this country.

What I love about noquarter is that just about any idiot can say just about any idiotic thing here without being banned or having their comments removed. I’m living proof! Bad comments are simply ignored and people who repeatedly make bad comments are chastised but not excised.

JM’s paragraph the other day (about the “rulez”)

As during the primaries, I’ve reached my limit with those who disagree with my views and express it in an insulting or childish manner. Rather than spend valuable hours of my time deleting off-topic, insulting, childish comments or comments with false information, or comments by Republicans posing as feminists or former Hillary supporters,or those by real Hillary supporters or Obama haters who still can’t get over her losing and think everything is about sexism or race, I’m going to be much more inclined to just delete the commenter’s account and all of their comments to date.

was particulary insutling …

Maybe she was recruited by the Obama camp???

After all Obama has many bloggers on his payroll one way of another

alexei: seems so to me too…

Anglachel had a really good post on why. The Democrats were treating Hillary voters like they had no place else to go, not even throwing them the crumb of letting Hill be VP. When McCain chose Palin,they immediately saw the threat. By vicously abusing Hillary and the most faithful members of their base -their behavior might actually cause them to lose. And, of course, it’s too late now to make amends.

Absolutely!

And the irony is soooo hilarious!

The “progressive Democrats” thought that Hillary supporters were done. That after that over-the-top SHAM of a “democratic” convention, we would either cry our eyes out and stay home on Election Day or “get over it” and vote for Obama.

Democrats got the shock of their lives last Friday.

McCain COMPLETELY blindsided them with Sarah Palin.

Now the Dems are about to experience a SERIOUS backlash in the general election. Not because ALL mistreated & discarded Hillary supporters will suddenly flock to McCain/Palin – they won’t. But there WILL be more than enough reenergized Hillary supporters who were definitely considering sitting out the election now going to the polls. Enough to shut Obama OUT of the White House.

Duras,

Mr. Murder is a long time supporter of NQ and also a colleague of Larry’s.

Still you sarcasm or I will personally request your banning.

You DO NOT mess with those who have given their lives to the security of our country and its citizens. And you WILL STFU unless you can lay out a comparable resume.

You ignorant twits truly gall me.

Nice to see I’m not the only one saddened by TL’s demise. I went from poster to lurker after the DNC changed the rules to make Obama win. I miss some of the folks on TL, though it seems that most of the good ones have been banned now, anyway.

Jeralyn started to lose me a while back, but the Palen stuff was the last straw. The allegedly drugged baby comment just made me snap and I almost posted, but what’s the point when it’ll be deleted anyway? The attacks on Palen are about class, plain and simple. No one can destroy a woman like another woman. It’s bad enough when republicans do it, but to see dems go rabid is absolutely heartbreaking.

That’s why I’m Green Party all the way now–McKinney/Clemente 08!

Hi GrapeApe,

I emailed you at the address above, but not sure you got it. i didn’t hear back. Please let me know. I did it before I came home from work and maybe I haven’t given you enough time to reply.

I know. It seemed such a stupid reason. Why would anyone vote for someone simply on the basis that that was the Media candidate. I would take the opposite tack.

But also, he never really seemed to BE an Obama supporter. He always stood up for Hillary and was critical of the O campaign. Sometimes I felt he just liked to think of himself as an iconoclast. But that was okay. He had interesting posts and he could see through the hypocrisy of the Obamaphiles.

Larry Sinclair, manwhore, esq.

He’s a distraction from the other manwhore, John Edwards. Look there if you want to get info on l’affair Obama.

I used to love TL. I would post there on occasion under a different name. Now I only lurk there to see how far down the rabbit hole that once beautiful site has fallen.

I wonder what they were giving those “Bloggers” at that CNN bar?

The same thing happened at Taylor Marsh’ site.

The same thing happened at Taylor Marsh’ site

anyone else having trouble posting?

Re Larry’s opening question “How bad are things at Talk Left?”

Well, for what it’s worth, bad enough for ME to have just removed them from links on my own insignificant blog!

I have to wonder if I’m still on the same planet anymore, THAT’S how crazy it’s all making me.

But if I did take off to a different planet this moment, I vow that my last words on this one would be Nobama, Nobama, Nobama.

Wow, got to agree with most of what you say, Charles. Both BTD and Jeralyn flipped almost as fast and hard as Taylor Marsh, leaving me to wonder who had inhabited their bodies.

It was one of my go-to blogs, but now Jeralyn spends most of her time threatening to banish anyone who says anything negative. She even has different rules for every goddamned post.

Not worth the time anymore. Larry Johnson and his crew are the only ones left speaking truth right now.

the blog that has also become rather offensive and over the top is this one. Look in the mirror folks you are not so impressive with your Obama hate fest

Java City Pal– I’ve been trying to reach you to join your secured group. How do I join? Hopefully, you recognize me from TL.

email me at caseyOR@ymail.com, please.

[...] Talk Left’s BTD/Big Tent Democrat: Not sure why he’s on this list as he  was actually an Obama supporter all along (for cynical, strategic reasons, it seems). He correctly predicted that the media would continue their collective reach-around through the general election.  Because most of his posts were critical of the Obama campaign’s divisive tactics (ie: he strongly advocated FL/MI re-votes), and his following seemed to consist mainly of Hillary supporters, he often had to remind people that he was not. I dumped him long ago, but still respect him as a gentleman who can hold his Kool-Aide on a date with the opposite sects. [...]