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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 20:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great story.&#160; But you know, it reminds me a rather famous, BAD athlete, who barely lifted a finger to learn or to create or to compete.&#160; Instead, he willingly let people take &quot;papers&quot; away from others and claimed them as his own, instead of contributing to class he would just say &quot;present&quot;.&#160; But he didn&#039;t stress at his own laziness or his cheating.&#160; He knew the coach would make everything all right, and make sure that he would succeed in life.&#160; Who was that &quot;coach&quot; who helped Barry cheat?&#160; If only we knew and could prove it all.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great story.&nbsp; But you know, it reminds me a rather famous, BAD athlete, who barely lifted a finger to learn or to create or to compete.&nbsp; Instead, he willingly let people take &#8220;papers&#8221; away from others and claimed them as his own, instead of contributing to class he would just say &#8220;present&#8221;.&nbsp; But he didn&#8217;t stress at his own laziness or his cheating.&nbsp; He knew the coach would make everything all right, and make sure that he would succeed in life.&nbsp; Who was that &#8220;coach&#8221; who helped Barry cheat?&nbsp; If only we knew and could prove it all&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: pelcart@aol.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>pelcart@aol.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 00:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just athletes.&#160; There is the same problem in the military. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just athletes.&nbsp; There is the same problem in the military.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Wynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Wynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 23:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

Excellent analysis!&#160; I&#039;m sure you realized this, but you also&#160;described obama to a &quot;T&quot;, except he sees himself more like a &quot;King&quot; than a &quot;Prince&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>Excellent analysis!&nbsp; I&#8217;m sure you realized this, but you also&nbsp;described obama to a &#8220;T&#8221;, except he sees himself more like a &#8220;King&#8221; than a &#8220;Prince&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: wodiej</title>
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		<dc:creator>wodiej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 22:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alot of the problem is how boys and girls are raised. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alot of the problem is how boys and girls are raised.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. My. GODDESS.&#160; Diana, that is just so upsetting.&#160; Even seeing it coming, it is just mind boggling... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My. GODDESS.&nbsp; Diana, that is just so upsetting.&nbsp; Even seeing it coming, it is just mind boggling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 22:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elise and Yttik, I agree with you both.&#160; It&#039;s a sad fact that often, to be safe, women do have to restrict themselves, but it&#039;s damned wrong that that is the case. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elise and Yttik, I agree with you both.&nbsp; It&#8217;s a sad fact that often, to be safe, women do have to restrict themselves, but it&#8217;s damned wrong that that is the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, CJ, the list was but the tip of the iceberg.&#160; It was by no means a comprehensive list, but, unfortunately, a beginning.&#160;

Thanks for adding to it - I think (meaning, too bad that you can)... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, CJ, the list was but the tip of the iceberg.&nbsp; It was by no means a comprehensive list, but, unfortunately, a beginning.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Thanks for adding to it &#8211; I think (meaning, too bad that you can)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 22:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lorac and RRRA,

Not to take over the thread, but I keep coming back to this post since I&#039;ve been a teacher and the whole sports fanaticsm stuff just makes me angry on many levels.

lorac&#039;s comment: &quot;Over the years we&#039;ve all read stories of male athletes that just got passed along in school, because their coaches made deals with the teachers.&quot;

This brought to mind and incident when I was doing a teaching assistantship in the grad program--teaching Freshman English.&#160; I had to be away from my class one day and didn&#039;t want to just cancel it, so I asked another grad friend to cover since I had covered for him one day.&#160; When I got back, my grad friend came to me and said that my football player&#039;s last essay sounded exactly like the essay his football player was working on.

We told our Dept. Chairman, who was this quite small man, and I warned the chairman, &quot;You know, when my player has come to the office I share with another grad student, we both felt that we had to get under the desk to give him room.&quot;

We arranged for both of our football players to turn in their papers and then we took them both to the Chairman--they were word-for-word the same paper.&#160; The chairman had to call the coach and inform him that both would be given an F for their respective classes--as that was the department&#039;s policy for plagiarism.

From then on my friend and I would walk around campus looking over our shoulders.&#160; But the thing is this:&#160; My player finally did see me on campus and came up to me and thanked me.&#160; He said that basically he had been passed through high school for doing no work and for learning nothing just because they wanted him to be able to play.&#160; He said he always felt like just a &quot;piece of meat.&quot;&#160; This experience, he said, made him realize that he needed to take advantage of the fact that it wouldn&#039;t happen in college and that he should make something of himself in college other than as a &quot;piece of meat.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lorac and RRRA,</p>
<p>Not to take over the thread, but I keep coming back to this post since I&#8217;ve been a teacher and the whole sports fanaticsm stuff just makes me angry on many levels.</p>
<p>lorac&#8217;s comment: &#8220;Over the years we&#8217;ve all read stories of male athletes that just got passed along in school, because their coaches made deals with the teachers.&#8221;</p>
<p>This brought to mind and incident when I was doing a teaching assistantship in the grad program&#8211;teaching Freshman English.&nbsp; I had to be away from my class one day and didn&#8217;t want to just cancel it, so I asked another grad friend to cover since I had covered for him one day.&nbsp; When I got back, my grad friend came to me and said that my football player&#8217;s last essay sounded exactly like the essay his football player was working on.</p>
<p>We told our Dept. Chairman, who was this quite small man, and I warned the chairman, &#8220;You know, when my player has come to the office I share with another grad student, we both felt that we had to get under the desk to give him room.&#8221;</p>
<p>We arranged for both of our football players to turn in their papers and then we took them both to the Chairman&#8211;they were word-for-word the same paper.&nbsp; The chairman had to call the coach and inform him that both would be given an F for their respective classes&#8211;as that was the department&#8217;s policy for plagiarism.</p>
<p>From then on my friend and I would walk around campus looking over our shoulders.&nbsp; But the thing is this:&nbsp; My player finally did see me on campus and came up to me and thanked me.&nbsp; He said that basically he had been passed through high school for doing no work and for learning nothing just because they wanted him to be able to play.&nbsp; He said he always felt like just a &#8220;piece of meat.&#8221;&nbsp; This experience, he said, made him realize that he needed to take advantage of the fact that it wouldn&#8217;t happen in college and that he should make something of himself in college other than as a &#8220;piece of meat.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 21:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EllenD, he stood a foot taller than me, plus &gt;125 pounds heavier.&#160; Once, I wanted to show him, in case we were stuck in the desert, not to worry, I could carry him.&#160; I bent over, balanced him on my back, and was able to walk a couple of steps before his hysterical laughter shifted his body weight and he fell off.&#160; (I did this with my son, with the same result!) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EllenD, he stood a foot taller than me, plus &gt;125 pounds heavier.&nbsp; Once, I wanted to show him, in case we were stuck in the desert, not to worry, I could carry him.&nbsp; I bent over, balanced him on my back, and was able to walk a couple of steps before his hysterical laughter shifted his body weight and he fell off.&nbsp; (I did this with my son, with the same result!)</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to mention another story about this ONE small town and sports but thought it would be too much.&#160; But now I think it should be mentioned---because the small town I write about is, I&#039;m sure, not unique in the way the people in isolated communities just will NOT think there is anything wrong with their &quot;guys&quot; and who look the other way when &quot;boys will be boys.&quot;

I came to NQ as usuall after reading the morning paper.&#160; Our paper today has a story about a high school wrestling coach in the metro area who was awarded coach of the year and who took his team to several championships.&#160; This coach graduated from the high school of the small town in CO that I mention above, and his home town paper also did a big story about hometown boy making it big.

Well, hometown boy was just sent home from teaching and coaching for havin sex with a minor, one of the students. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to mention another story about this ONE small town and sports but thought it would be too much.&nbsp; But now I think it should be mentioned&#8212;because the small town I write about is, I&#8217;m sure, not unique in the way the people in isolated communities just will NOT think there is anything wrong with their &#8220;guys&#8221; and who look the other way when &#8220;boys will be boys.&#8221;</p>
<p>I came to NQ as usuall after reading the morning paper.&nbsp; Our paper today has a story about a high school wrestling coach in the metro area who was awarded coach of the year and who took his team to several championships.&nbsp; This coach graduated from the high school of the small town in CO that I mention above, and his home town paper also did a big story about hometown boy making it big.</p>
<p>Well, hometown boy was just sent home from teaching and coaching for havin sex with a minor, one of the students.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked out the list of woman abusers, and saw that Brett Myers was missing. He is the former Phillie who ended up defending himself against charges he&#039;d hit his wife. (He did this in public, with many witnesses calling 911, so it was difficult to weasel out of it.)

Most Phillie fans were appalled at the behavior, but his wife stayed with him, and it sounded like she was accustomed to rough treatment - from some of the comments she made. It wasn&#039;t until Myers began abusing the local sports media that they turned on him with a vengeance.

Myers plays for the Astros now, and it&#039;s just as well, maybe he can take out his aggression on Ed Wade instead - a la Shawn Chacon.
(There&#039;s a good Yankees story in the article as well).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2326&amp;Itemid=42&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2326&amp;Itemid=42&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked out the list of woman abusers, and saw that Brett Myers was missing. He is the former Phillie who ended up defending himself against charges he&#8217;d hit his wife. (He did this in public, with many witnesses calling 911, so it was difficult to weasel out of it.)</p>
<p>Most Phillie fans were appalled at the behavior, but his wife stayed with him, and it sounded like she was accustomed to rough treatment &#8211; from some of the comments she made. It wasn&#8217;t until Myers began abusing the local sports media that they turned on him with a vengeance.</p>
<p>Myers plays for the Astros now, and it&#8217;s just as well, maybe he can take out his aggression on Ed Wade instead &#8211; a la Shawn Chacon.<br />
(There&#8217;s a good Yankees story in the article as well).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2326&amp;Itemid=42" rel="nofollow">http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=2326&#038;Itemid=42</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW.&#160; Diana, that is an unbelievable story.&#160; You and Boxer Mum have highlighted exactly the attitude abt which Sally Jenkins and I wrote.&#160; That&#039;s just it. The men in the community, and too many women, are all too ready to defend the man, and talka bt how HIS life was ruined, never thinking for a MOMENT abt the girl/woman&#039;s life that was ruined.&#160;

Again, like Mike Tyson getting out of prison for RAPE because men wanted him to box again (and make them money).&#160; Never mind the woman&#039;s life he destroyed with his actions.&#160; Unbelievable.

Thank you for this telling, and disturbing, story... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW.&nbsp; Diana, that is an unbelievable story.&nbsp; You and Boxer Mum have highlighted exactly the attitude abt which Sally Jenkins and I wrote.&nbsp; That&#8217;s just it. The men in the community, and too many women, are all too ready to defend the man, and talka bt how HIS life was ruined, never thinking for a MOMENT abt the girl/woman&#8217;s life that was ruined.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Again, like Mike Tyson getting out of prison for RAPE because men wanted him to box again (and make them money).&nbsp; Never mind the woman&#8217;s life he destroyed with his actions.&nbsp; Unbelievable.</p>
<p>Thank you for this telling, and disturbing, story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tango</title>
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		<dc:creator>tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s my point. I don&#039;t want to blame the victim but I also want to point out that victims must ultimately take&#160;responsibility for their own safety instead of&#160;hopefully thinking a restraining order or a plea to be left alone or a call to the police or a caring friend looking out for them will keep them safe. &#160; My daughter knows EXACTLY what&#039;s going on at her school. Who&#039;s pregnant by whom, who uses drugs and what kind, who is cheating on their boyfriends, who hooked up with who, who got drunk last Saturday night and got in a fight with their roommate, etc. I find it very very hard to believe that noone from Yardleys team nor her friends knew what was going on even if she denied it out of embarassment or shame.&#160; Us women need to empower our sisters to make hard decisions knowing we will stand up with them as they&#160;press charges and demand prosecution or action from authorities including team and college leadership. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s my point. I don&#8217;t want to blame the victim but I also want to point out that victims must ultimately take&nbsp;responsibility for their own safety instead of&nbsp;hopefully thinking a restraining order or a plea to be left alone or a call to the police or a caring friend looking out for them will keep them safe. &nbsp; My daughter knows EXACTLY what&#8217;s going on at her school. Who&#8217;s pregnant by whom, who uses drugs and what kind, who is cheating on their boyfriends, who hooked up with who, who got drunk last Saturday night and got in a fight with their roommate, etc. I find it very very hard to believe that noone from Yardleys team nor her friends knew what was going on even if she denied it out of embarassment or shame.&nbsp; Us women need to empower our sisters to make hard decisions knowing we will stand up with them as they&nbsp;press charges and demand prosecution or action from authorities including team and college leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s just it.&#160; The article Sally Jenkins arote abt Tim Tebow (linked int he article above) is very good.&#160; Even though she disagrees with him on matters of Chocie, his attitude is very different from most of these guys (and the ad he did was so benign, it makes one wonder why NOW was so upset abt it).....

I might add, Jenkins is a sports writer, hence her focus on these athletes.&#160;

Great comment, CJ. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s just it.&nbsp; The article Sally Jenkins arote abt Tim Tebow (linked int he article above) is very good.&nbsp; Even though she disagrees with him on matters of Chocie, his attitude is very different from most of these guys (and the ad he did was so benign, it makes one wonder why NOW was so upset abt it)&#8230;..</p>
<p>I might add, Jenkins is a sports writer, hence her focus on these athletes.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Great comment, CJ.</p>
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