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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/45917/democracy-plutocracy-and-useful-idiots/#comment-1348149</link>
		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Thanks very much for your article.&#160; A couple of points...

I do not know of anyone who supports privating Social Security -- I certainly do not want any of SSI put into the hands of the same thugs who have foisted their giant ponzi scheme on the American taxpayer.&#160; I said as much when Pr. Bush tried to do this.

Also, I must respectfully disagree with your argument re drill, baby, drill.&#160; When Palin was Governor of AK, she increased safety inspections and measures&#160;performed by the locals to ensure that another Exoon Valdez didnt happen.&#160; This adminstration, nor the past one, did anything of the kind, but rather gave exemptions and more exemptions to them from having to put these safety measures in place.&#160; The biggest problem to me is not necessarily drilling -- but a lack of compliance with proper safety precautions.&#160; Enforcement of the same is not the purview of the American people, but of Government and they dropped the ball -- and have done so for years.&#160;

In light of that, it&#039;s not the people &quot;protesting against their own self interest&quot; that is the problem here (although that sometimes happens, too), but the &quot;plutocracy&quot; and incestuous relationship between corporations and government that stop healthy enforcement of safety laws.

Also, as to your mention of the protest of &quot;Socialized medicine,&quot; I personally do not protest the idea of health care reform, I think many others would agree with me.&#160; What we protest is an awful bill that has not been adequately reviewed and once again puts money into the hands of the powerful while rationing and screwing the rest of us.

People do not protest a general concept here -- they protest a very badly executed idea that will hurt many more than it will help and will likely bankrupt us if left in its current form. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Thanks very much for your article.&nbsp; A couple of points&#8230;</p>
<p>I do not know of anyone who supports privating Social Security &#8212; I certainly do not want any of SSI put into the hands of the same thugs who have foisted their giant ponzi scheme on the American taxpayer.&nbsp; I said as much when Pr. Bush tried to do this.</p>
<p>Also, I must respectfully disagree with your argument re drill, baby, drill.&nbsp; When Palin was Governor of AK, she increased safety inspections and measures&nbsp;performed by the locals to ensure that another Exoon Valdez didnt happen.&nbsp; This adminstration, nor the past one, did anything of the kind, but rather gave exemptions and more exemptions to them from having to put these safety measures in place.&nbsp; The biggest problem to me is not necessarily drilling &#8212; but a lack of compliance with proper safety precautions.&nbsp; Enforcement of the same is not the purview of the American people, but of Government and they dropped the ball &#8212; and have done so for years.&nbsp;</p>
<p>In light of that, it&#8217;s not the people &#8220;protesting against their own self interest&#8221; that is the problem here (although that sometimes happens, too), but the &#8220;plutocracy&#8221; and incestuous relationship between corporations and government that stop healthy enforcement of safety laws.</p>
<p>Also, as to your mention of the protest of &#8220;Socialized medicine,&#8221; I personally do not protest the idea of health care reform, I think many others would agree with me.&nbsp; What we protest is an awful bill that has not been adequately reviewed and once again puts money into the hands of the powerful while rationing and screwing the rest of us.</p>
<p>People do not protest a general concept here &#8212; they protest a very badly executed idea that will hurt many more than it will help and will likely bankrupt us if left in its current form.</p>
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		<title>By: andysf</title>
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		<dc:creator>andysf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 02:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that no one likes to have their hard work tax twice. It doesn&#039;t matter if they are currently in the position to be taxed.
To me, the estate tax is a completely different animal from corporate tax or income tax. It&#039;s one thing if you tax the hell out of those wall street crooks.

Also, I am a firm believer that any of those people could be in position to earn millions if they but their heart and soul to it and develop good financial habits. As an old Chinese saying, I wouldn&#039;t make fun of some one&#039;s success&#160;if they are&#160;still young.

To have a better life and brighter future is the American dream, people should not be laughed at for having big dream. The liberal had done too much to make this a nation of naysayers. We need to take back the &quot;Yes We Can&quot; from O and his bots.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that no one likes to have their hard work tax twice. It doesn&#8217;t matter if they are currently in the position to be taxed.<br />
To me, the estate tax is a completely different animal from corporate tax or income tax. It&#8217;s one thing if you tax the hell out of those wall street crooks.</p>
<p>Also, I am a firm believer that any of those people could be in position to earn millions if they but their heart and soul to it and develop good financial habits. As an old Chinese saying, I wouldn&#8217;t make fun of some one&#8217;s success&nbsp;if they are&nbsp;still young.</p>
<p>To have a better life and brighter future is the American dream, people should not be laughed at for having big dream. The liberal had done too much to make this a nation of naysayers. We need to take back the &#8220;Yes We Can&#8221; from O and his bots.</p>
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		<title>By: My other site</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/45917/democracy-plutocracy-and-useful-idiots/#comment-1348130</link>
		<dc:creator>My other site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 01:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess what you&#039;re really saying is that you don&#039;t want me on this site so bye! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what you&#8217;re really saying is that you don&#8217;t want me on this site so bye!</p>
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		<title>By: My other site</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/45917/democracy-plutocracy-and-useful-idiots/#comment-1348126</link>
		<dc:creator>My other site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 01:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, you answered this yourself. &#160;Your parents left you with good values and a good example and good work ethic. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, you answered this yourself. &nbsp;Your parents left you with good values and a good example and good work ethic.</p>
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		<title>By: My other site</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/45917/democracy-plutocracy-and-useful-idiots/#comment-1348125</link>
		<dc:creator>My other site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 01:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what difference does it make? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what difference does it make?</p>
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		<title>By: My other site</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/45917/democracy-plutocracy-and-useful-idiots/#comment-1348124</link>
		<dc:creator>My other site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 01:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t change it; the site changed it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t change it; the site changed it.</p>
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		<title>By: My other site</title>
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		<dc:creator>My other site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 01:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During Andrew Jackson&#039;s administration he successfully steered universal manhood sufferage through Congress. &#160;Now, you don&#039;t have to own property, don&#039;t have to be a white male twenty-one years old. &#160;Under successive administrations amendments were passed to allow women to vote, changed the age to 18 and finally with the Civil Rights Act of 1966 African Americans rights were finally enforced. &#160;So, on paper we are a democracy.

The illegal immigration question is appropriate here because the heart of the issue is whether or not this country is a democracy where the majority of the electorate decides what the law is or whether a special interest or tyrannical ruler decides. &#160;It&#039;s too bad a lot of Americans aren&#039;t seeing that important aspect of the issue and continue to see it as a humanitarian issue or purely political issue. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During Andrew Jackson&#8217;s administration he successfully steered universal manhood sufferage through Congress. &nbsp;Now, you don&#8217;t have to own property, don&#8217;t have to be a white male twenty-one years old. &nbsp;Under successive administrations amendments were passed to allow women to vote, changed the age to 18 and finally with the Civil Rights Act of 1966 African Americans rights were finally enforced. &nbsp;So, on paper we are a democracy.</p>
<p>The illegal immigration question is appropriate here because the heart of the issue is whether or not this country is a democracy where the majority of the electorate decides what the law is or whether a special interest or tyrannical ruler decides. &nbsp;It&#8217;s too bad a lot of Americans aren&#8217;t seeing that important aspect of the issue and continue to see it as a humanitarian issue or purely political issue.</p>
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		<title>By: helenk</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 23:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_chrysler_repayment;_ylt=AiXeMj8fD28Skmd29PFeJa6g.qF4;_ylu=X3oDMTNhMjM0bHQ2BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNTE3L3VzX2NocnlzbGVyX3JlcGF5bWVudARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawN0cmVhc3VyeXRha2U-

This is why I pay more taxes then GE.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS


PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE </description>
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<p>This is why I pay more taxes then GE.</p>
<p>WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS</p>
<p>PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE</p>
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		<title>By: Yttik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yttik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 23:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two million is the deduction you get to keep free and clear of the estate tax. In 2009 the deduction for couples was 7 million.

I&#039;m not advocating for or against it, I&#039;m just scratching my head about the way people who will be lucky to have earned a million over their entire lifetimes have been brainwashed into thinking this tax will somehow affect them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two million is the deduction you get to keep free and clear of the estate tax. In 2009 the deduction for couples was 7 million.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating for or against it, I&#8217;m just scratching my head about the way people who will be lucky to have earned a million over their entire lifetimes have been brainwashed into thinking this tax will somehow affect them.</p>
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		<title>By: propertius</title>
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		<dc:creator>propertius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather doubt this, since Thoreau died 30 years before Getty was born. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather doubt this, since Thoreau died 30 years before Getty was born. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: andysf</title>
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		<dc:creator>andysf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may not have the money now, but what&#039;s preventing them from having it in the future? I&#160;was looking at $2 million as a unrealistic goal 15 years ago with nothing but 10k in credit card debt. But with hard work and good old inflation, $2 million just isn&#039;t what it crack up to be. It cost you almost a million just to buy a livable home here in SF. I am not sure I should leave all of my net worth to the government so that they can give them away as welfare instead of the little girl that I love. I honestly believed that anything is possible for those who dedicated their mind and effort to it. So why are people bashing the American dream just because they are still on their way? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may not have the money now, but what&#8217;s preventing them from having it in the future? I&nbsp;was looking at $2 million as a unrealistic goal 15 years ago with nothing but 10k in credit card debt. But with hard work and good old inflation, $2 million just isn&#8217;t what it crack up to be. It cost you almost a million just to buy a livable home here in SF. I am not sure I should leave all of my net worth to the government so that they can give them away as welfare instead of the little girl that I love. I honestly believed that anything is possible for those who dedicated their mind and effort to it. So why are people bashing the American dream just because they are still on their way?</p>
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		<title>By: Buzzlatte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzzlatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents grew up and married during the Depression. &#160;They didn&#039;t take government hand-outs and my mom&#039;s college education came out of their checking account. &#160;My dad was deferred from going into the service in WWII because he was running a ranch, working as a cowboy, and working for the US dept. of agriculture - and yes, he&#039;s ADD and still kicking at 95. He&#039;s heading out to the ranch as I type this although my sister is driving him out. &#160;My mom taught school, helped with the ranch, kept two households going (one in town and one at the ranch), and raised kids. &#160;They would discuss each month which paycheck - hers or his - could go into savings. &#160;Yes, the whole paycheck. &#160;It was doable back then. &#160;There weren&#039;t the commercial pressures to buy this or that or to get the latest toy or vacation back then.

The kids&#039; college degrees came out their checking account, too. &#160;We were required to pay for our own living expenses while they paid tuition. &#160;It meant that we had to have a job in addition to going to school full-time. It was doable then. &#160;All of us appreciate the the confidence they had in us to be movers and shakers.

There was a school of thought going around in the 1970&#039;s that the boomer kids were not going to be as well off than their parents. I had friends take that as a sign of not needing to achieve anything. &#160;Now, they wonder where their youth went and why they have little money to retire on. &#160;But, hey, they spent time in Mexico and Figi and got degrees in Parks and Recreation. &#160;I never did that. &#160;I was stupid enough to believe that I was supposed to work for a future.&#160;

Thank goodness my beloved didn&#039;t buy the meme either and worked his azz off to get a college degree, build a successful business, become financially set, and now can do whatever he wants. Interestingly, he still likes to work more than vacationing. &#160;I worked in education in many different capacities and have a retirement. &#160;I like to create art now that I have the time.

He was raised in a staunch Republican home where taking government handouts was not even a consideration. &#160;I was raised in a staunch FDR Democrat home where you worked to put money in your retirement and Social Security accounts.

Yes, we dealt with inflation, gas prices from the seventies, the Carter 21% interest rates, &#160;the tight 1980&#039;s, but no where in there was anything that said you couldn&#039;t earn the money to cover expenses. &#160;It was a matter of how much effort you were willing to put out, stick to a plan, and hold off on the pleasures and toys until the bank accounts were big enough to hedge against financial upheavals.

Somewhere the message that each of us is responsible for our own care and keeping got lost. &#160;Where did it go?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents grew up and married during the Depression. &nbsp;They didn&#8217;t take government hand-outs and my mom&#8217;s college education came out of their checking account. &nbsp;My dad was deferred from going into the service in WWII because he was running a ranch, working as a cowboy, and working for the US dept. of agriculture &#8211; and yes, he&#8217;s ADD and still kicking at 95. He&#8217;s heading out to the ranch as I type this although my sister is driving him out. &nbsp;My mom taught school, helped with the ranch, kept two households going (one in town and one at the ranch), and raised kids. &nbsp;They would discuss each month which paycheck &#8211; hers or his &#8211; could go into savings. &nbsp;Yes, the whole paycheck. &nbsp;It was doable back then. &nbsp;There weren&#8217;t the commercial pressures to buy this or that or to get the latest toy or vacation back then.</p>
<p>The kids&#8217; college degrees came out their checking account, too. &nbsp;We were required to pay for our own living expenses while they paid tuition. &nbsp;It meant that we had to have a job in addition to going to school full-time. It was doable then. &nbsp;All of us appreciate the the confidence they had in us to be movers and shakers.</p>
<p>There was a school of thought going around in the 1970&#8242;s that the boomer kids were not going to be as well off than their parents. I had friends take that as a sign of not needing to achieve anything. &nbsp;Now, they wonder where their youth went and why they have little money to retire on. &nbsp;But, hey, they spent time in Mexico and Figi and got degrees in Parks and Recreation. &nbsp;I never did that. &nbsp;I was stupid enough to believe that I was supposed to work for a future.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Thank goodness my beloved didn&#8217;t buy the meme either and worked his azz off to get a college degree, build a successful business, become financially set, and now can do whatever he wants. Interestingly, he still likes to work more than vacationing. &nbsp;I worked in education in many different capacities and have a retirement. &nbsp;I like to create art now that I have the time.</p>
<p>He was raised in a staunch Republican home where taking government handouts was not even a consideration. &nbsp;I was raised in a staunch FDR Democrat home where you worked to put money in your retirement and Social Security accounts.</p>
<p>Yes, we dealt with inflation, gas prices from the seventies, the Carter 21% interest rates, &nbsp;the tight 1980&#8242;s, but no where in there was anything that said you couldn&#8217;t earn the money to cover expenses. &nbsp;It was a matter of how much effort you were willing to put out, stick to a plan, and hold off on the pleasures and toys until the bank accounts were big enough to hedge against financial upheavals.</p>
<p>Somewhere the message that each of us is responsible for our own care and keeping got lost. &nbsp;Where did it go?</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;representative democracy&quot; is an axiomatic contradiction --it is non existent. &#160;&lt;strong&gt;The United States of America is a REPUBLIC&lt;/strong&gt;. &#160;Got it! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;representative democracy&#8221; is an axiomatic contradiction &#8211;it is non existent. &nbsp;<strong>The United States of America is a REPUBLIC</strong>. &nbsp;Got it!</p>
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		<title>By: sowsear</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 22:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately we have been advised to &quot;skip a generation&quot;, that grandchildren pay no? or less in taxes. Not sure of this.
All I know is that we can convert to Roth IRAs this year and the estate tax law will change next year...we don&#039;t know nutin! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately we have been advised to &#8220;skip a generation&#8221;, that grandchildren pay no? or less in taxes. Not sure of this.<br />
All I know is that we can convert to Roth IRAs this year and the estate tax law will change next year&#8230;we don&#8217;t know nutin!</p>
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		<title>By: sowsear</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 21:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the two mil only apply for spouses? Do children get any leeway on what they inherit? </description>
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