What An Illegal Immigrant Hating Law

Here is a letter sent to LA from AZ commissioner:

Dear Mayor Villaraigosa,

I was dismayed to learn that the Los Angeles City Council voted to boycott Arizona and Arizona-based companies — a vote you strongly supported — to show opposition to SB 1070 (Support our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act).
You explained your support of the boycott as follows: “While we recognize that as neighbors, we share resources and ties with the State of Arizona that may be difficult to sever, our goal is not to hurt the local economy of Los Angeles, but to impact the economy of Arizona.  Our intent is to use our dollars — or the withholding of our dollars — to send a message.” (emphasis added)
I received your message; please receive mine.  As a state-wide elected member of the Arizona Corporation Commission overseeing Arizona’s electric and water utilities, I too am keenly aware of the “resources and ties” we share with the City of Los Angeles. In fact, approximately twenty-five percent of the electricity consumed in Los Angeles is generated by power plants in Arizona.
If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation. I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.
People of goodwill can disagree over the merits of SB 1070. A state-wide economic boycott of Arizona is not a message sent in goodwill.

Sincerely,
Commissioner Gary Pierce

Perhaps, then, those screaming abt the law might just try READING it first before screaming abt it.  It is very, very clear how and when such a request can be made, and it is tied to alleged criminal activity, not just “driving while being brown.”  Seriously – people need to read the thing first before charging off half-cocked.

This is pandering for political votes, pure and simple.

And now we have – get this – San Francisco wanting to GIVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE to illegal aliens.  I am NOT kidding you.  This is obscene.  Hell, even Puerto Ricans do not have the right to vote in our national elections.

Megyn Kelly just talked to him a few minutes ago.  Very interesting.  I say, hell to the yes, cut off their electricity if they are going to boycott for enforcing a FEDERAL law.

Priceless.  Thank you.

And…one more.  While LA and California as a state wishes to dive in to the gutter to mirror Bary’s Chicago politics, Arizona shows them they is some smart cookies and play hardball back.

Ruh-roh!  AZ Energy Commissions has advised LA if they go through with their boycott, they will cancel sending their energy to LA, as LA receives 25pct of their energy from Arizona.  roflmao  GO ZONIES!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/19/arizona-official-threatens-cut-los-angeles-power-payback-boycott/

But the problem is not including AZ, as they have to have probable cause to be pulled over and only once they are pulled over, if the police officer has reason to believe they may not be here legally, they ask for their id to determine.  Their law specifically states no profiling is allowed.  Does anyone else put that in their law?

I was only joshing ya, AZ…don’t turn off my water and power.

(What did BO say once during the primaries to one of his friends,similar  to this?)

Yeah, that’s basically the point of the video – that AZ porvides 25% of their energy. 

Do these people in CA honestly think that AZ is just going to take this meekly?  Uh, yeah, NO.

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President Obama Says Arizona Law
‘Has the Potential to Be Applied
in Discriminatory Fashion’

ABC News,
by Jake Tapper   

 Original Article

5/19/2010 

Asked if he agrees with President Calderon’s view that the Arizona immigration law “that is forcing our people to face discrimination,” President Obama said in the Rose Garden just now that it “has the potential of being applied in a discriminatory fashion.” He said a “fair reading” of the law — suggesting that he has read the legislation, unlike his Attorney General as of last week — indicates those who are at risk of being deemed possibly illegal could face “harassment” and that the judgments law enforcement would need to make to apply the law are “troublesome.”

Some years back a small city in upstate NY needed to bolster its population in order to continue getting its money as a city. They made a deal with Social Services in NYC to take in their clientele upstate. Those people were given bus fare and other moving expenses to move.

Thanks, HLM – and I appreciate you making that distinction clear so our readers will be fully prepared to know when one is racist, and one is lawful.  SOME people might think it’s confusiing – sheesh! 

I like Jake Tapper a lot, but with Obama, I would not assume HE has read it.  Why should he be any different from the rest of those in his Admin. making derogatory comments abt a law they haven’t bothered to read?  Just wondering…

How does one assertain that someone in America maybe an illegal immigrant from Mexico?

Since you are a lawyer, I am sure you can some up with SOMETHING?  So lets have it.

Are we seeing the beginnings of a Civil War?

According to the pundits this is the “Minority Report” of Illegal Immigration.

Face it, Obama already knows that we are all racists.  Could be, the “brown skin” defense is just that they fell into the oil spill.

Governor Brewer needs to file a restraining order to shut Obama’s mouth.

He is such a low life.

Could someone place a countdown meter on this site for Inauguration 2013?

>:o

Also clueless if they thought Arizona and Arizonans were just going to meekly bow their heads and allow the self-righteous asshats in CA to beat them up. Actions have consequences and evidently the dim-bulbs in California never thought about that.

Tocchet– I’ve never encountered the question of legal residency in my law practice, except once when I was required by a federal court to represent a coyote.  If I was a law enforcment officer in Arizona, after making a lawful contact, I would not try to prove that a person was an illegal immigrant; my main interest would in seeing whether the person (1) was involved in whatever the reason was that brought about the contact, and (2) had a valid ID.  An Arizona driver’s license or state issued ID would resolve not only the identification question, but also the legal residency question because legal residency is required before a DL or ID card is issued in Arizona.  If no DL or ID could be produced, that would lead to further questioning and a possible referral to immigration if, based on further questioning, I developed a a “reasonable suspicion” that the person might be an illegal immigrant.  Since I’ve never been an Arizona law enforcment officer, this is only my best guess as to how it would be handled.

Sheriff Joe is on Fox right now.

While Calderon is here, maybe Obama could ask him what he has done with all of the oil money the country has since he obviously hasn’t done anything to create a middle class in the country.

>:o

Sorry, I read the post, I didn’t see the video.  I didn’t see the mention of the energy, so…… MY BAD, sorry.

But, obviously, YES, they must have thought they were special and that AZ didn’t hav ethe chutzpah to respond and fight back.  Obviously AZ already started with their vacationing boycott and they must have been stunned with THAT.  WHY?  Again, they’re special?

Let me tell you, San Diego is HUGE thanks to Zonies.  Think about the much smaller population in Arizona that how many million go to San Diego?  RIGHT.  Absolute ignorance on California’s part.

I know first hand.  She’s like the sister city.  I lived in Phoenix for 12 years.  Relatives still there, Flag, Phoenix and Tucson.

….HINT Zonies.  Cancel San Diego and visit your own state.  In my 12 years living in Phoenix, I never once went to Pinetop, Showlow or Payson.  On this last shopping trip, we went through Payson and OMG, what a lovely moutain getaway.  And the drive fro Fountain Hills to Payso is one of the most spectacular and gorgeous views I have ever seen and I’m not kidding.

tell that to the truck driver from fresno who was questioned at a truck weigh station.  he had ID, just not a birth certificate.  he was put in jail in Arizona until his wife drove from Fresno (WHERE HE WAS BORN) with his birth certificate. 

guest,

Do you have the phone number for that trucker or his wife?  I’ll be glad to give them a call.

Thanks.

>:o

One of the many misconceptions surrounding these laws is that only Mexicans are in our nation illegally. I know two women who have overstayed their visa, one travels back and forth to her home country – Canada – regularly. Don’t ask me how she does it, I really don’t know.

There are Asians, Eastern Europeans, Irish, Brits, Middle Easterners, any number of foreign nationals who are not supposed to be in the US – according to immigration law.

 honestlawyer’s scenario,pretty much describes how a follow up investigation into status would occur – regardless of the individual’s skin tone:

“If no DL or ID could be produced, that would lead to further questioning and a possible referral to immigration if, based on further questioning, I developed a a “reasonable suspicion” that the person might be an illegal immigrant.”

My parents were immigrants, they carried their documentation with them, and didn’t take offense at the requirement. In their case it was naturalization papers.

Most of my relatives live in CA…my niece is to be married in LaJolla in July. My aged uncle and aunt live near LA..,.,I really would like to visit this summer..What to do , what to do.

Why would Foxybama ask Foxyderon ask each other anything about their stashes?

Obama’s aunt is one of them…

I am tired of everyone using the Democrats talking points of Mexicans/hispanics/Brown.  This is about ILLEGAL aliens/residents/immigrants in this country.  Whether Russian/Polish/CHINESE/Pakistanians/Africans/AUSTRIAN/French/Haitians/ or Mexicans……ETC

Let him blow away….

but that’s why some people are outraged by this law.  this guy was put in jail before the law even went into effect.  he’s NOT an immigrant.  he was born in fresno.

I will delete this long list after you have a chance to see it…

phone number for the trucker?

betcha the telephone prefix is 555

I’m in LA – Didn’t vote for Villaragosa Or Schwartzenegger. And I say HELL YES! Cut off our electricity! These idiots here are making these statements with no public mandate – at least from us LEGAL residents.
I say go for the ILLEGAL vote why don’t you.

Oh my sowsear–your list just brings tears to my eyes!  I can hardly type this!  My soul just wants to break out into song!

We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let’s start giving
There’s a choice we’re making
We’re saving our own lives
It’s true we’ll make a better day!

Second grader outs her mother’s illegal status:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Girl-Outs-Mothers-Citizenship-Status-During-First-Ladys-School-Visit-94268584.html

The SF ballot initiative is only for School Board but even that is too much and would probably be overturned in court if passed. What do you think, lawyers?

Mayor Villaraigosa said it would be a cold day in hell before they end the boycott.

Commissioner Gary Pierce replied it would be a long hot summer in LA and CA.

LA and all of CA get Hydro, Coal, and Nuclear electrical power from AZ.

AZ does not have to cut them off, they can just raise the prices to make up for lost tourism.

I vote for both. Cut off CA, and raise the price when CA crys to turn it back on.

I think you can travel back and forth from Canada to the U.S. at any time without a visa if you are a VISITOR.

Any work in the U.S. though, is illegal without a non-immigrant work visa which is really easy to get for Canadians to work in the U.S. or Americans working in Canada. (Yes, I know Americans in Canada in the same situation).

Since it is so easy to get the paperwork, there is little tolerance by the INS if they catch you. Deported for being stupid.

I was looking for articles about California stopping people at the border during the depression. When people were heading west due to the dust bowl and lack of jobs. I remember see pictures of this. These were American citizens that they would not admit. But today illegal citizens are encouraged to come here, What a puzzlement.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND  EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Boy, I just noticed I can’t type worth a crap here, sorry about all the errors, It’s really hard to type with arm in a sling.

You realize that “these people” is basically Villaragosa and his fellow political idiots. So far as I know no other group in California was taking up the cause.

The Nation and others called for a demonstration against Phil Jackson, who unfortunately for him, made a few intelligent comments about Arizona.

Next Lakers game – the press and L A Times aid “dozens” demonstrated. Their pictures showed about 6 with 3 people yelling back at them.

The Nation called for the L.A. fans to boo the Lakers – didn’t happen.

The Press and the politicians sure are trying to stir this up here without much result.

Come on in. We’re not all crazy here. And La Jolla and the tidepools are beautiful. Of course you may have to hold your wedding by candlelight

Do they still stop people at state borders out west asking if they are transporting any vegetables or fruits? I can remember once being stopped and I forgot the watermelon I had bought in OK. I said, No, and the agent looked in my back seat and said, What’s this? Whoops…(Course he let me go and with the melon).

I was stopped twice in the same day in Mexico for Driving While Gringo.

Both Policia handed me a menu of bribes that would let me go free. The only English they spoke was the US Dollar amount they wanted.

My Mexican-American friends have told me to never carry more than $20 in my wallet, and show the Policia that is all you have.

It cost me $350 US Dollars to drive away that day. But my cargo was way more valuable. Whatever number they came up with, they were going to get.

I know of people who have been detained in MX and their credit cards mysteriously get maxed out. They are lucky to ever see the US again.

They come to the US and complain about the laws, but the fact is if MX were not so corrupt and lawless they would not be here in the first place.

You could not pay me enough to go back to MX.

Obama wants Repubs to help him rewrite federal immigration law…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100519/ap_on_bi_ge/us_us_mexico

OK, now Columbus , Mayer Coleman, is adding his state to the “I will boycott u if u boycott AZ”.

Is anyone making a list of cities and states to boycott for their boycott and p;oltical grandstanding and race playing?

We should give the guy in Trinidad his $20. back.

I believe Puerto Rico and other U.S. protectorates are legal.

OK, now Columbus , Mayer Coleman, is adding his city in Ohio to the “I will boycott u if u boycott AZ”. 

Is anyone making a list of cities and states to boycott for their boycott and p;oltical grandstanding and race playing?

Remember, check where a company is before you buy.  Like internet company, My Vitanet…is in a burb of Columbus.  tsk tsk tsk tsk

When my Dad first moved to San Diego, we used to drive into Tijuana. He used to go there to get his prescription glasses and some liquors he liked. Later he told us to take the train to the border and then a taxi, but that was scary too. After he was taken for a large sum of money, like you “No Longer..”, he told us not to go there anymore.

During a question-and-answer session, one girl took her immigration concerns to the top, telling Mrs. Obama that her mom says that Obama “is taking everybody away that doesn’t have papers.”

For her mother’s sake, we hope the girl was talking about the Washington Post.”

I am pretty sure the little girl was talking about Rolling Papers to smoke the hopium.

Yes, Obama is carting away everyone he can if they don’t smoke that hopium.

don’t delete it — it’s an eye-opener

If the person they pull over can only speak Spanish, the police would be justified in getting a translator, right?  I assume that law enforcement is not required to be bilingual.  Why shouldn’t they be able to get translators from ICE?

Went to Tijuana one time…on my San Diego visit from Phoenix, lol  That was in the 80′s  I remembered getting schtupt on the silver I bought, it wasn’t and the only other memory was that my sister remembered how to speak spanish after enough tequilla. LOL  We were impressed.

Obama and Co. (including Holder and Napolitano) know damn well the AZ law is a virtual copy of federal law, and that racial profiling is strictly forbidden.

OF COURSE he knows the Arizona law mirrors the Federal law, yet there he stands beside the president of a foreign country taking sides with him against his own country and his own Federal law -— by any standard, traitorous and lawless behavior.

Talking point: By siding against the Arizona law that mirrors the Federal law he refuses to enforce, Obama makes his clearest statement to date that he is above the law.

The problem is that you are assuming he can actually read.  Oh yeah, he can read, a teleprompter.  Somebody load it up.

>:o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63xEbqO4FY&feature=player_embedded

According to backtrack we are not defined by our borders.

In my lifetime I have never seen a more dangerous threat to the United States from within then this person and his followers. Ayres and Frank Davis taught him well. What ayers could not do with a bomb he will do with obama

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM ANDCOUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Obama makes his clearest statement to date that he is above the law.
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Or perhaps that he is actually a piss-poor attorney as many here have suspected.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/23592937/detail.html

you wil not belief this one. California wants to boycott Arizona for asking for identification, UC Berkekey wants new students to provide DNA samples.
Only in California does the illogical become logical.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Ha, ha!  I had thought about that, too!  If I were a fan of tanning beds. I’d be stopped at every corner in AZ according to the bot world.

I’ve been mistaken for Mexican, Greek, and Italian while being a humble gringa of English and German descent.

I have no problema showing my stinkin’ ID!

LOL!

tell that to the truck driver from fresno who was questioned at a truck weigh station.  he had ID, just not a birth certificate.  he was put in jail in Arizona until his wife drove from Fresno (WHERE HE WAS BORN) with his birth certificate. 
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Is his name “guest”, too?

Who, oh Who, could that be?

Perhaps, instead of Obama criticizing Arizona, he should take a look at why the current federal law is not being upheld.
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Well, in his defense, immigration is a very touchy subject with him. That pesky paperwork is so cumbersome. Transparent, indeed.

AZ passed a third law yesterday, I think, which said that businesses would not be required to have translators on hand.
I don’t see how only Spanish speaking translators could be required anyway.

Are you sure they’re looking for vegetables and fruits????

Right, border has to be closed first..At least McCain is on to Thee One there. Alreadymore immigrants are flooding into AZ

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWncEXYbQ7ysmaeR3jIOdAYRQpcQD9FPH6K01

Ok sowsear, but how are their children’s teeth?

“Obama’s Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes”
By Pamela Geller

“I have been researching, documenting and studying thousands upon thousands of Obama’s campaign donations for the past month. Egregious abuse was immediately evident and I published the results of my ongoing investigation. Each subsequent post built a more damning case against Obama’s illegal contribution activity.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html

Bullshit!

guest. i will call him and ask him if he is willing to do an interview on blog talk… so again. Some trucker in Fresno is the same as some kid from Indonesia. Got a name…link or anything besides bullshit?

Amy you sure take pretty hardline on some of the most unfortunate in our society. The hard working illegals who come here invited by largely white owned business to work for very low wages, to live the American dream. You seem to want to treat these people like common criminals, when they really do not cause that many problems and in fact are a net positive to the economy of this country. They are no different than the Irish, the Chinese and the Germans who came here in yesteryears (when there was no such thing as illegals). Amy you colors as a hardcore right wing person are really coming through on this issue. If you ever were a democrat or a liberal you certainly are not one now. You also seem to ignore the fact that under this law, perfectly legal hispanics in this country will be target or swept up. Some Americans will be treated differently than other Americans. That is wrong.

And no the California law is not the same as the AZ law. There is a very big difference. Law enforcement officers are only allowed to check the immigration status as secondary case only, right after commit crime, otherwise ICE agents are allows to handle as primary case.

In AZ under new immigrant law, law enforcement officers are allowed to check the immigration status as primary case, regardless if you haven’t commit crime or break any laws.

CA and AZ immigrant laws are not same. You are misleading your readers. Try and understand the legal difference between primary and secondary and what impact that will have to anyone that is brown skinned living in AZ.Primary – it means law enforcement officers are allows to check on immigration status if anyone haven’t commit crime or break any laws. That’s what Arizona will using in next few month when new law start effective. In my opinion, new AZ immigrant bill will create more racial profiling because high number of illegal immigrants are Latino and increasing of harassing against them because LEO are allow to check in anywhere.

Secondary – it means law enforcement officers are allows to check on immigration status after anyone commit crime or break any law, that what CA is doing, otherwise, ICE agents handle with illegal immigrants, even if they haven’t break the law like in many states.

There was same CA immigrant law as new AZ immigrant bill was in 1994 until judge strike it down in late 90′s. <!– / message –><!– sig –>Read this:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126436500

Amy you sure take a pretty hardline on some of the most unfortunate in our society. The hard working illegals who come here invited by largely white owned business to work for very low wages, to live the American dream. Some people in this country always look for scapegoats. You seem to want to treat these people like common criminals, when they really do not cause that many problems and in fact are a net positive to the economy of this country. They are no different than the Irish, the Chinese and the Germans who came here in yesteryears (when there was no such thing as illegals). Amy you colors as a hardcore right wing person are really coming through on this issue. If you ever were a democrat or a liberal you certainly are not one now. You also seem to ignore the fact that under this law, perfectly legal hispanics in this country will be target or swept up. Some Americans will be treated differently than other Americans. That is wrong.

And no the California law is not the same as the AZ law. There is a very big difference. Law enforcement officers are only allowed to check the immigration status as secondary case only, right after commit crime, otherwise ICE agents are allows to handle as primary case.

In AZ under new immigrant law, law enforcement officers are allowed to check the immigration status as primary case, regardless if you haven’t commit crime or break any laws.

CA and AZ immigrant laws are not same. You are misleading your readers. Try and understand the legal difference between primary and secondary and what impact that will have to anyone that is brown skinned living in AZ. Primary – it means law enforcement officers are allows to check on immigration status if anyone haven’t commit crime or break any laws. That’s what Arizona will using in next few month when new law start effective. In my opinion, new AZ immigrant bill will create more racial profiling because high number of illegal immigrants are Latino and increasing of harassing against them because LEO are allow to check in anywhere.

Secondary – it means law enforcement officers are allows to check on immigration status after anyone commit crime or break any law, that what CA is doing, otherwise, ICE agents handle with illegal immigrants, even if they haven’t break the law like in many states.

There was same CA immigrant law as new AZ immigrant bill was in 1994 until judge strike it down in late 90′s. <!– / message –><!– sig –> Read this:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126436500

Let’s see, who in California tried to restrict illegal immigration at the border?  How about Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers?

“The UFW during Chávez’s tenure was committed to restricting immigration. . . . n 1973, the United Farm Workers set up a “wet line” along the United States-Mexico border to prevent Mexican immigrants from entering the United States illegally and potentially undermining the UFW’s unionization efforts.[16] During one such event in which Chávez was not involved, some UFW members, under the guidance of Chávez’s cousin Manuel, physically attacked the strikebreakers, after attempts to peacefully persuade them not to cross the border failed.“

Amy you sure take a pretty hardline on some of the most unfortunate in our society. The hard working illegals who come here invited by largely white owned businesses to work for very low wages and to live the American dream. You seem to want to treat these people like common criminals, when they really do not cause that many problems and in fact are a net positive to the economy of this country. They are no different than the Irish, the Chinese and the Germans who came here in yesteryears (when there was no such thing as illegals). Amy your colors as a hardcore right wing person are really coming through on this issue. If you ever were a democrat or a liberal you certainly are not one now. You also seem to ignore the fact that under this law, perfectly legal hispanics in this country will be targeted or swept up. Some Americans will be treated differently than other Americans. That is wrong.

And no the California law is not the same as the AZ law. There is a very big difference. Law enforcement officers are only allowed to check the immigration status as secondary case only, right after a committed crime, otherwise ICE agents are to allows handle it as a primary case.
Under the new AZ immigrant law, law enforcement officers are allowed to check the immigration status as primary case, regardless if you haven’t commit crime or break any laws.CA and AZ immigrant laws are therefore completely different. You are misleading your readers. Try and understand the legal difference between primary and secondary and what impact that will have to anyone that is brown skinned living or even visiting AZ.Let me spell it out for you.Primary – it means law enforcement officers are allows to check on immigration status even if someone hasn’t commit a crime or has not broken any laws. That’s what Arizona will using in next few month when new law start effective. In my opinion, new AZ immigrant bill will create more racial profiling because a high number of illegal immigrants are Latino.

Secondary – it means law enforcement officers are only allowed to check on immigration status only after someone commits a crime or breaks a law, that is what CA is doing, otherwise, ICE agents handle with illegal immigrants.

There was a similar CA immigrant law in 1994 as the new AZ immigrant bill until a judge struck it down in late 90′s. Read this:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126436500Lets see if you censor this post. That would be in the same sprit as the new AZ law.

Thanks I’m a Linda too. Let’s look at immigration law of the stat of Illinois where this IGIT BO gave Rezko his Business.

Feds Sue Illinois for Flouting Immigration Law

They’re taking the scofflaws to court. This time, it’s not just a meat-packing plant or a construction contractor, or some small business hiring illegal aliens. This time, it’s the whole blooming state of Illinois, which has one of the worst records of looking the other way when illegals take jobs.
Taking the amnesty approach to a new low, Illinois passed a law banning employers from participating in the Basic Pilot Program (aka E-Verify), the successful federal system used to track down phony Social Security numbers and thus detect illegal workers.
Other states, such as Arizona, are mandating that employers use this system. Going the other way is Illinois, the so-called “Land of Lincoln” that henceforth shall be called the “Land of Winkin’” — winking at illegal workers, that is.

 You seem to want to treat these people like common criminals,
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For your information, troll, illegal immigrants ARE common criminals.

Oowawa, Were you going to SanDiego State when yoju lived in LaJolla or were you still in the Marines?

Too late, but if you really want it back, I’ll see if I still have it.

WOW, lucky YOU.

Bull shit, I live in an area where these people “supposedly” don’t cause any problems, have a SIL who is a cop and he gets constantly called out for domestic abuse problems, wife has the crap beat out of her. Don’t tell me they don’t cause problems. I know, I live in it. Oh and I’m brown, so don’t go using that excuse. I show my ID all the time for common things. They can to or they can go back to where they came from. I’m quite tired of the “crocodile tears” that you expect everyone to shed for those who broke the law knowing they were coming here illegally. What part of ILLEGAL don’t you grasp?

Thank you, I feel okay, but had roto cuff operated on about 3 weeks ago and it’s a bitch to try and type. lol I’m not suppose to , but it’s sooooooo hard to stay off of here. lol

You’re asking tooo much of them Harp.

Is that what they are doing?   Hell and all this time I have been chasing them off my lawn. 

Too late. I don’t have it anymore.

From the AZ law. 20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
27 C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS
28 CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM
29 IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE
30 TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND
31 CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf From the original California law: (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws,   Notice the AND… a big difference. Under the AZ the “lawful contact” can be the “suspicion” of being an illegal. Not the same at all as the California law. A LEO can check any person no matter what, in California there has to be an arrest and then a check for illegal status.  HARP I suggest you sharpen up on your legal skills.

Puerto Ricans who are resident in the US are permitted to vote in US elections, all of them. The only Puerto Ricans who are limited to primaries are the ones who live in Puerto Rico. Of course, Puerto Ricans are US citizens, from birth, which the illegal aliens are not.

Anyone can find specific examples of anything, but the 12 million illegals in this country, with many of them being here many many years cause no problems and are a net contributor to society and the economy. Read the research…

AZ go to immigration and talk to them! Stop whining around here. Law is law get used to it.

Agreed.  I know life got a whole lot betterhere with, less crime, less traffic accidents, less domestic violence, less drunk driving, and less drug traffic since ICE raided the offending businesses hiring illegals.  By the way, my cousin is a recently retired police officer with drug enforcement in the area, so it comes from the horse’s mouth about everything being de-escalated.

It’s a liberal fallacy that all illegals come for a better life and are as quiet and clean as church mice.  That’s their hopium pablum they’ve been feed.

I say good riddance and if you’re really interested in improving your life come to America LEGALLY.

Fer Christ’s Sake!

I believe some ladies at Puma Pac crosschecked all of the contributions with credit cards/names/amounts added and deducted from money reported by the Obama campaign to the FEC. They found a huge discrepancy involving millions of dollars, as I remember.

Az…They are breaking other laws. No matter how you try and sugar cote it, deny or just outright lie. They are breaking other laws.
1)They are either using someone elses SSN to work, thus committing identity theft!
2)They are working illegally under the table, and thus not paying any federal state or local taxes.
3)Illegally recieving benefits drawn from the taxes of legal residents and meant for American poor!

In any case, they are violating at least 1 of these other laws, and in the majority of cases, they are violating atleast 2 or more other laws. But by all means..keep believing the BS from those in favor of keeping thier slave labor lines open!

Well thanks, all, glad to be here.  Yep, this was almost the sad end to this story:

This article and these comments inspired by it, are why I am here.  Incredible.

Now, just a couple of points not previously mentioned.  First, I wish we could get used to using the term, undocumented immigrant.  Illegal immigrant or worse, illegal alien sounds so… foreign.  People are not illegal; their immigration status is.  Plus, let me offer a possible means to quantify whether the new law is implemented in a racially neutral manner.  Police could keep a record of all traffic stops; the race of the driver; and whether a ticket was given.  If dark-skinned drivers are stopped for moving violations and not given tickets; to a greater degree than other drivers then, the question is, on what basis were they stopped? 

Finally, even before R3A’s article documented the hypocrasy in condemning AZ for writing an implementation law that mimics CA and the federal law; we already knew, this contrived ‘racism’ was much ado about nothing.  I think the most telling expression of anti-Latino racism comes from BO himself:
No Hispanics Encroaching in Black Areas    
When the 2000 census revealed dramatic growth in Chicago’s Hispanic and Asian populations alongside a decline in the number of African Americans, the Illinois black caucus was alarmed at the prospect that the number of blacks in the Illinois General Assembly might decline. At that point, Obama stepped to the forefront of the effort to preserve as many black seats as possible. The Defender quotes Obama as saying that, “while everyone agrees that the Hispanic population has grown, they cannot expand by taking African-American seats.”    
http://libertypundits.net/article/bombshell-howard-kurtz-discovers-obamas-lost-papers/

“”He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind.”  Proverbs. “ 

The Ebonics version: Hey homey! You crap in yo own crib, an you ain’t gettin’ shit!

Sing it beachnan. Our electric and gas is already way over the top compared to other states!

Tell that to the gang task force in Salinas.  Nationally, 49% of Latino gang members are illegal.

Yo recuerdo ese oowawa. Muchos gracias por el dinero. Yo beben muchos cervezas con su dinero. Hasta la vista!

Oh, no, she didn’t!!!  You’re kidding??  Wow — is there a transcript or video link of this someplace?  We’d love to put it up if you can find it — or tell us exactly when you heard it so we can trawl for it.

This reminds me of Erica Jong being on Bill Maher’s show several years ago and makign the a statement along the same lines about her nanny/housekeeper.  You could feel the audience cringing.  If this is what some people on the left consider not being racist, they have a lot to learn about treating others with dignity.

right about that!!!  And fought in every War this Country has faced!  And!  We served with pride!!

And one Day be the 51st state of Union!!

By the WAy..PR went 80% for Clinton.

How come it’s ok for other countries to ask for ID’s and protect their borders and not cool for the US?

Go to Puerto Rico!!  You will have a great time with great food and….You can drink the WATER!!!  Oh Yeah and speak English!

HaHa!  Then as you might remember, there I was in the back seat, barred off from you and your amigo, and I was saying something like this as I shoved a 20 between the bars: “Aqui $20.00.  Border, por favor.  Border, si.  No Tijuana Jail.  Border, bueno.  No Tijuana Jail, por favor.  Border, si.   I think you guys just wanted to get me out of your squad car before something happened that you would have to clean up later.

I don’t thnk anything that happens with kids and “Thee Ones” is serendipitous. Remember the little kid in New Orleans asking Obama the “why do they hate you” question. I think if it turns out that the mother is an illegal they are just setting us up for some tear jerker TV. Everything these guys do is kabuki. They think Americans are ignorant… well they only need 51% to be ignorant. Maybe less if people can vote on color match from now on.

Agreed

And where did you read about this story?  Who told it to you?  Give us facts and names and times and dates. 

Can this be any more hilarious? Yes it can apparently. A halting and grammatically incoherent English translation marred Mexican President Felipe Calderon’s arrival ceremony at the White House Wednesday, rendering his remarks difficult to understand at times. Well now they maybe get what we are saying. Here the White House can’t arrange to properly translate Spanish spoken by the President of Mexico. How the hell are teachers supposed to translate slang Spanish of the kids of illegals? How are we supposed to interact with these folks when they won’t melt into a melting pot? If the White House can’t cope with Spanish then why should the rest of us have to do it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100519/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_mexico_bad_translation_1

Si, yo recuerdo. Un otro Gringo loco.

They can’t read the bill.  An illegal immigrant received their education.

>:o

Sometime’s it’s hard to resist profiling.  Just because they cannot speak English and have been staggering around drunk waving their pistolas in everybody’s face, do not jump to conclusions!

If they wish to be the 51st state great. If they wish to be a country fine as well. Personally, I wish they went for statehood.

And an address I know a man who knows a man who’s a trucker who will check it out for us!
You know all CA truckers are friends!

fresno trucker story:
http://guanabee.com/2010/04/american-truck-driver-illegal-alien-arizona-sb1070/

Come on down@   (thats a flash light, instead of an exclimation point.

That’s a big 10-4.  Meet up in them convoys.  Hang out at them truck stops.  Play that country music on the jukebox and yell yee-haw.  Vote for folks like Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsome and Barack Obama and–O wait–that’s not right–scratch that last sentence . . .

The key difference here is California never has the intention of ever enforcing any of its laws. They just keep paying them to write them.

But no money to enforce them. They merely hang like Christmas ornaments on some poltician’s wampum belt proving he/she did something for the little people who keep electing them.

There is mutual amnesia in California. Politicians forget the voters and the voters forget the politician. So who cares out here what the laws say. Just pay me to write them. 

Every once in a while a law gets enforced, but that is only when the Calif Supreme Court is looking for something to overturn after they have used up all their paid state holidays and feel for good form they need to look like they are doing a lick of work too.

ch, I knew by making this statement I was skating on thin ice, with all of the emotion here.  I guess I am bothered by this language that pathologizes people instead of their conduct, and separates people into ‘us’ and ‘other.’  I admit, this attitude bothers me.  (That second comment wasn’t directed at me, was it?)  

I second Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican food is a whole lot better than authentic Mexican food. Trust me. I spent two months in Mexico backpacking when I was around 25. I remember coming across at Presidio, retrieving my car which I had stored in a private fenced yard and I drive to Marfa… Stopped at the first Dairy Queen I saw. Had a steak finger basket with gravy and it was like the best food I had ever eaten. Then I got a second one and ate them both and a blizzard. OMG, those people in Mexico eat rrefried beans mixed up with pig lard with every meal. Two months and it got real old. But to the point, we have several Puerto Rican neighbors. They are all very good neighbors and have the best backyard barbecues too. One family has a metal box that they build a fire with coals in the bottom and cook a whole pig in it at once. I know it doesn’t sound good, but it really is.

Yes.

No Longer Band in Bean Town, What was the cargo? 

 (my avatar is the USS Constitution and will I return to port soon for my normal Kite , what fair ship do you sail?)

Well, when your here on a green card they are classed as resident aliens!
That’s how all the verbiage is written when applying for a Green Card.

Don’t think so, he’s too stupid.

THIS WHAT YOUR MORON IN CHIEF SAID ON THE SENATE FLOOR IN 2006:

The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Floor_Statement_of_Senator_Barack_Obama_on_Immigration_Reform

I listened to that trucker on your cite and noticed a peculiar accent for someone “born and bred” in the US–we’ve also had it with fake birth certificates.

And no the California law is not the same as the AZ law. There is a very big difference.

Arizona is attempting to enforce theirs.

A good statement by Obama. Nothing wrong with that, but this AZ is a terrible way to deal with illegal immigrants. It will trample on the rights of American citizens.

What is your point HARP? There is nothing inconsistent about this statement and not likely this BS AZ law. The AZ law will treat some American citizens different than others. The potential for racial profiling is huge.

Seattle Becomes 11th City to Boycott Arizona

 Seattle, Washington
• El Paso, Texas
• Austin, Texas
• Boston, Massachusetts
• St. Paul, Minnesota
• Boulder, Colorado
• San Diego, California
• West Hollywood, California
• San Francisco, California
• Los Angeles, California
• Oakland, California

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100518/pl_ynews/ynews_pl2115

A number of these cities have so-call illegal immigration problems, so you would think they would side with AZ, but they do not. Why? Because this is a BS law.

One world isn’t about bringing one country down to the level of another country.  Study the Universal Laws, bot.

Sheesh, this batch of bots are incredibly moronic.

Again Harp, you confuse them with facts, those pesky little things. lol

Yes; I thought that had changed with the new name for the INS (USCIS). 

Yes; I thought that had changed with the new name for the INS (USCIS).

Or they could be like Columbus, that have a very large illegal problem, but the mayor needs them for cheap labor for his house and to vote for him. Again, I do know from experience.

I’ve searched for video, and nothing yet.  I am sure it will be posted by tomorow.  I will post it when I do find it. 

The city of San Diego has responded to the Arizona law not with a boycott to date, though a host of governmental bodies from the City Council to the School Board have issued resolutions attacking Arizona as racist and its law as unconstitutional – an effort the effect of which would serve to depress business ties between the city and the arid state to its east.
The response? Droves of cancellations at San Diego hotels. It seems that more than 2 million Arizonans vacation in San Diego each year, and now those Arizonans are finding other places to travel this summer.

And now there even seems to be a burgeoning movement not just among Arizona citizens but others across the country who are calling for a boycott of California in retaliation for the hijinks of its politicians – not to mention a budding call to “buycott” Arizona by patronizing Arizona firms to support the state’s new law.
Either way, it’s a cautionary tale. Political posturing can create unintended consequences which hurt real people – something job-killing lefty politicians ought to understand by now, but don’t – and it looks like yet another lesson is coming. In cash-starved California’s case, it’s a lesson the locals can’t afford to learn.

Wow, that’s so impressive, AZ!  Were any of these boycotts sanctioned by a public vote? 

I found it at Newsbusters and put the link down thread.  Do these people ever listen to the words coming out of their mouths??

Obviously not.

UNDER MEXICO’S IMMIGRATION LAW (GENERAL LAW ON POPULATION):

(General Law on Population)
• Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
– Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
– Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
– Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
– The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)
• Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
– Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/mexico-vs-united-states-mexican-immigration-laws-are-tougher/

Harp, He had his fingers crossed while saying it. “You can demand but that doesn’t mean I will answer”

sowsear, I was in USMC at the time.  I never went to San Diego State.  My undergraduate college was Sonoma State in NorCal.

I remember SF; the court ruled that they couldn’t keep people from panhandling—the town was overrun with street people.

Did the cities vote on the boycott?  No. So is it the consensus of the residents of the cities?  Where’s the numbers?

Where’s the numbers on how many have actually read the laws?

Where’s there proof there was consensus among the people these idiot city councils represent?

What happened last week-end when the LA Times ran a poll about the AZ law and the boycott?

94% of respondents (the citizens of LA,etc) AGREED with the AZ law!!!

Read it, AZ and then go suck your thumb in the corner….

Mind your own business

o/t  So, it seems The Democrats should officially change their name to the Betrayocrats.  It seems they backstab, lie and say anything.  Ask Specter, ask Lindsay Graham, ask John McCain and now Scott Brown.

It seems Dirty Harry Reid is all pissy because he didn’t have the votes for Finance Reform cloture and expect Scott Brown, who had been working with them on it to vote, but he didn’t.

Apparently Harry Reid thought he could get away with those empty promises and that Scott Brown wouldn’t read the bill, because the bill Harry Reid brought to the floor would have hurt Mass businesses and didn’t contain any of the many amendments that Scott Brown worked on.

Sill Scott Brown, he wasn’t supposed to read the bill to see Dirty Harry put in what he worked and agreed on.

Sure, Harry should be angry, in the Backstab Betrayus Democrats alternate universe.
 http://tinyurl.com/Betrayocrats

It’s Murphy’s Law (squared). If it can be messed up, it will be.

“for employing illegals”!

Another myth of the illegals battle:  they are only here to do jobs legal citizens will not do.  BS.  I live in CA.  I see illegals dominating many “skilled” jobs—painting crews, heavy equipment operators, roofing, cement and tile work, retail—the list goes on.  They undermine wages and undermine union benefits.  Schools in CA are dying because of the huge costs of educating children of illegals.  CA is dying because of the huge costs of a low income population that is growing daily; demanding daily.

We put turkeys in a pit or new garbage can covered with hot coals.

As each Obama promoting Mayor/Gov steps up to boycott, they make clear they are just lowlife politicians, politicizing everything, as they take their instruction and lead from the top, Barry “New kind a politics means it’s all politics all the time” Obama.

next.

You are completely right.  The jobs our kids used to do in restaurants bussing tables, etc., to help them through school are now taken by Mexicans.  The hotel jobs, Bellman, etc., same.  My grandson can use all the landscaping work he can get and the younger one could stand a scholarship for school rather than having the grants picked up by illegals.  Construction…any and all  are desirable for citizens.  That’s a big myth.

Where the Hell is Hillary on this matter?

AZ,   b,   Guest,   guest,   Chinese,  Ha Ha Ha  are all the same person!
How the hell do you expect to be taken seriously with so many different names?

This lady is refreshing.  It is nice to hear the voice of sanity in the public talking back to the idiot pandering politicians. She received a well deserved applause.

oowawa—this is a scream! Too funny.

Ha Ha Ha Ried must of looked a real fool. WTG Scott Brown!

It’s our job to divide Obama’s house.

November, is that you knockin’?

Insidious fits better than indigenous.

Been a lot of places around the world. Never been to Mexico. Never wanted to go – even when I’m in San Diego for Comicon and it is so close.

Bow Wow Wow!

The law isn’t BS. You are.

Bravo & Well Said Rev Amy!  My husband & I don’t know anyone who is opposed to Arizona or the new law, & that includes the dozens of legal immigrants at my husbands job.  The only people who get a voice in the lame stream media these days are the extreme right & left nuts.  Freaking hypocrites, all of them. 

So true Buzz.  My husband & I don’t know any “real” people who have anything against Arizona or the new law.

Why do that when they can have both?  Don’t you think Calderone is raking in billions from the cartels AND having us take care of the poor…if they’re here being fed and educated there’s no pressure cooker there.  He uses us as the valve for the cooker.   The rich in Mexico are becoming even richer with the anarchy and chaos the drug cartels are providing them. 
That border war is no accident.

Good old Oblahblah, up to his usual tricks, talking out of both sides of his mouth about an issue he finds useful with which to play political games.

Wasn’t it amazing to see TWO presidents bashing away at an American State? Which one was ours?

Been flagging those with multiple user names.  Schizophrenia drives me crazy. 

Oh, oowawa…That’s a hoot!

My dad was an immigrant.  He kept his naturalization papers locked in a safe deposit box.  He said they were the most precious thing he owned.

I gave up on the beach, too, sowsear.  Too much sand.

I always used to want to go to Acapulco, but never did.  That was when I was in the travel industry.  Over the years I’ve changed my mind.  And that was after ging to Cancun and Cozumel and that was before they changed their dollar, which made costs to them so much greater, in the 90′s.  

Hmmmm…50 cents per ride.  That’s a buck a day, to and from.  Figure twenty dollare per month per child.  If you’ve got four or five kids in school that can amount to a pretty good chunk of change.

OTOH, I walked a mile each way every day of my life.  My grandkid gets bussed nine blocks.  I have yet to figure out the logic in that.

O-bomb-a?

Sgut, the Feds will just turn them loose.

They do that in FL too. We have an AG station on every main road going in and out of FL. They check animals, plants and fruit, etc. All animals coming into FL must have current health certificates and be up to date on their required shots. There is one on the way out of my little town, which can be a pain if you show horses from this area, it means that every time you leave town with a trailer-load of horses you have to stop and have their health papers(Coggins, mostly) checked, coming and going. They also check “fuel type” whatever that means. My horses are retired, so I don’t have to deal with that, but I wouldn’t mind if I did. It protects my horses from disease brought in by careless owners. Down the road a bit, there is a weigh station, which also does fuel checks. But you only have to stop if you are a truck that requires weighing. So I just don’t see why people get upset about having to prove they are here legally when I have to prove my animals have had their shots, tests, etc. every time I move them a mile or two down the road. After all, it’s not like people can catch anything my horses may come down with.

From that story:  “An official with the Mexican delegation said the translator came with the Mexican delegation but apparently was not someone who regularly translates for Calderon.

Yeah, right.  Calderon brought the second team along for his visit with POTUS.  Tell me another one.

I wonder what the real story is here.

HARP, I think Hillary’s busy with North Korea.

She’s far too cagey to weigh in on this one.

These are the cheapest votes Barry will ever buy.  All it would cost is the price of printing millions of green cards.

Is it any wonder he’s pushing this?

I hope Arizona goes for it. Let’s see Villaraigosa choose which sectors of his city will suffer without electricity. It won’t be the corporate sector I guarantee you.

Harp, the illegals are Mexican citizens, not foreigners, so that law doesn’t apply to them.

“The AZ law will treat some American citizens different than others.”

That’s where you have it wrong. The Arizona law DOES NOTHING to US citizens. It affects illegal citizens only. And if you’re a legal citizen but don’t have proper ID on you when you’re doing something illegal like running a stop sign or smoking marijuana in the park, then tough shit. You deserve the inconvenience of being hauled to jail until you or your lawer or family member can provide the ID. 

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Mexico’s Calderon takes his case to Congress

Associated Press,
by Ben Feller   

 Original Article

5/20/2010

WASHINGTON – Mexican President Felipe Calderon is taking his case for a fair and orderly overhaul of U.S. immigration policies to the people who can do something about it: members of Congress. One day after private meetings with President Barack Obama and White House celebrations in his honor, Calderon pivots Thursday to Capitol Hill. He is addressing a joint meeting of Congress, where he is expected to push for immigration changes and emphasize the economic priorities linking the U.S. and Mexico.

Hosea 8:7 might be more apt in this case..

“They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. The stalk has no head; it will produce no flour. Were it to yield grain, foreigners would swallow it up.

That sounds more like the current problem..let’s hope the whirlwind swoops Obama out of office..the sooner the better!!

FLDemFem:  I will not read the story but I can tell you, different states have different laws regarding extent to which property owners may lawfully defend their property.  Also, tort lawyers generally collect their fees as a percentage of the verdict award (or settlement), which monies are paid by the Defendant. 

Get a lawyer. Apply for Asylum. What part of this is difficult to understand?

The same advice to all illegals. Talk to an immigration lawyer and apply for legalization. I don’t guarantee you’ll get approval, but it is the right thing to do.

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Calderon Criticism of Arizona Law
Overlooks Mexico’s Tough
Immigration Policy

Fox News,
by Staff   

Original Article

5/20/2010     

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has been ripping into Arizona’s immigration law as he tours Washington — while appearing to disregard the way his own country cracks down on immigrants along Mexico’s southern border. Mexico repeatedly has been cited by human rights groups for abusing or turning a blind eye to the abuse of migrants from Central America. Until recently, Mexican law made illegal immigration a criminal offense — anyone arrested for the violation could be fined, imprisoned for up to two years and deported. Mexican lawmakers….

http://www.dailytopseven.com/readmore.php?newsid=MjA3MA==

I do not know too much about this but thought it was interesting. People are really fed up . Maybe not much attention was  paid to illegal immigration before because there were enough jobs to go around. Now there is not. Now they are taking the food out of people’s mouth. This could get really ugly and the backtrack bunch is fueling the fire.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBA,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

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While some see the reporting of the children of illegal immigrants to the ICE crew as detrimental to those immigrants and their stay here in our country, we may have to take a closer look at the reason behind those reports. The democrats are looking for ways to locate and communicate with those that are here and are intent on staying. Don’t be surprised to learn that the information has been collected and personal government representatives have been or will shortly be dispatched to those households to offer assistance in any form that they can to insure that they can stay in this country and that they are signed up to vote in upcoming elections. The democrats are determined to use the power of government agencies to further their agenda of getting the additional votes to sway future elections. case in point: the school house media exposure of the child who told Michelle Obama about her mother being an illegal and the first cow uttering remarks to the effect that “we are going to have to see about those situations and make things right”. In effect guaranteeing that a government representative will show up at that little girls house and offer all the assistance they will ever need. I’ll just bet that there have several sleepless nights at that house since that little girl opened her mouth and told the first cow her mom said that the president was taking away people that don’t have papers.

Never underestimate the workings of the democratic mind. They will declare it a crisis of conscience and try to display their response as some sort of moral justification for offering government assistance at the tax payer’s expense.

The reality is that the illegal’s in this country suck up and export several billion dollars of our economy, billions of dollars worth of state and local assistance programs and jobs that should be offered to the unemployed American citizens of this country that are suffering from the worst case of economic down turn that the current administration has brought about and enforced through their misguided policies.

The two women I know who overstayed their work visas did so in order to catch an American guy so they could gain citizenship the “easy” way. Imagine that: foreign nationals putting themselves at risk just for the chance to become citizens of this horrible racist redneck country that profiles anyone who isn’t blond-haired and blue-eyed.

Why can’t they just return to their own countries and be happy to live in a land that’s not the cause of all the world’s problems, according to Dear Leader. They must have low self-esteem.

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Obama Says Administration Taking ‘Very
Close Look’ at Arizona’s Immigration
Law for Civil Rights ‘Implications’

Cybercast News Service,
by Nicholas Ballasy   

 Original Article

5/20/2010

President Barack Obama said his administration is taking a “very close look” at Arizona’s new anti-illegal immigration law, examining it for any “implications, especially for civil rights.” “I want everyone, American and Mexican, to know my administration is taking a very close look at the Arizona law,” said President Obama during a press conference on Wednesday with Mexican President Felipe Calderon. “We’re examining any implications, especially for civil rights,” said Obama. “Because in the United States of America, no law-abiding person – be they an….

 Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.

The California law and the Arizona law are very different. 1. The California law applies only to people after they have been arrested for committing a crime. 2. The Arizona law creates a separate state crime of being in the country illegaly while the California law requires the person to be notified that they are in violation of a Federal law.

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SEIZING GUNS

Mexico has seized around 75,000 guns and assault weapons in the last three years, Calderon said. He said more than 80 percent of them came from the United States and noted there were more than 7,000 gun shops along the border.

“I would ask Congress to help us, with respect, and to understand how important it is for us that you enforce current laws to stem the supply of these weapons to criminals and consider reinstating the assault weapons ban,” he said.

Though Calderon’s request received applause and a standing ovation from mainly Democratic lawmakers, Republicans criticized the Mexican leader for discussing U.S. laws.

“It was inappropriate for President Calderon to lecture Americans on our own state and federal laws,” said Senator John Cornyn, a member of the Republican leadership. “Moreover, the Second Amendment is not a subject open for diplomatic negotiation, with Mexico or any other nation.”

On immigration — a common theme during his visit to Washington — Calderon said his country was trying to improve economic conditions so Mexicans would not feel the need to leave their country in order to succeed.

He said Mexico expected more than 4 percent growth this year, even though data released on Thursday showed the economy shrank quarter-on-quarter in the first quarter of this year.

Millions of people are still crossing the U.S. border illegally to seek work. An estimated 10.8 million illegal immigrants live in the United States, most of them from Mexico and Central America.

Calderon repeated his opposition to a new Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.

“We must find together a better way to face and fix this common problem,” he said.

(Editing by
Cynthia Osterman)

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MORE OUTRAGE:

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/05/dems-give-mexican-president-standing-ovation-after-he-criticizes-arizona-law-video/

The democrats are astroturfing themselves a made for the TV race war. They can’t let November be about jobs.

Yeah! HARP good find.  It just what a Hypocrite O is.

I’ll give another.

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On immigration, Obama
backs Mexico, not Arizona

Washington Examiner,
by Byron York   

Original Article

5/20/2010

When President Obama discussed the new Arizona immigration law with Mexican President Felipe Calderon at the White House Wednesday, he was doing something he has never done with the governor of Arizona. Although Obama has repeatedly criticized the law, he has not once talked about it with Gov. Jan Brewer, nor is any such discussion in the works. If they did talk, Brewer might ask Obama why he took a foreign leader’s side against a U.S. state on the issue of illegal immigration. (Snip) When Calderon spoke before Congress and declared, ”I strongly disagree with the recently adopted law in….

http://www.breitbart.tv/calderon-before-congress-az-immigration-law-carries-great-amount-of-risk/

When I read that he got a standing ovation from the democrats. I was ashamed that I had ever been a democrat. These traitorous bastards deserve to be run out of town on a rail. The NEW democratic party will never stand up for or protect this country.
Vote for anyone but a democrat from now on.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Maybe I should add…that can also happen in the other 49 States as well as Washington DC because that is the Federal Law! Not only that, but that federal law has already challenged and upheld in the Supreme Court by a unanimous decision in 1985!

tango… you don’t understand the law, the controversy and are obviously nieve or are nieve on purpose.

First, a police officer can stop anyone and is required to stop anyone and ask them for ID if he “suspects” they are illegal. There is no requirement that they have first committed a crime. See my post above. Second, who do you think they will be stopping and harrassing. A white person? No anyone who looks hispanic. So many many legal American hispanics living in AZ (which there are many) could be continually harrassed and ask for their “papers”. The possiblitiy of profiling and discrimination will be huge. Some Americans, based on the color of their skin, will be treated differently than other Americans. That is racism.

Jbjb you are wrong. There is no other state or federal law that is the same and goes as far as the new AZ law. Why do you think it is so controversal?

First, no other law makes it mandatory for the police to check if someone is in the country illegally if they “suspect” they are illegal. In fact, citizens can sue the police if they are not enforcing the law. Second, people can be checked even if they have not committed any other crime or offense. etc. etc. etc. CA had a somewhat similar law, but it was struck down by the courts in 1994. Why do you think it was struck down by the courts? But, even that law required that a person had to first commit a crime before they could be checked of their immigration status. This law does not require that. It effectively turns the Police into ICE officers.  It will also harass the hundreds of thousands of legal American hispanics in the state.

It is a BS law that will be struck down by the courts before it is set to be inacted later this summer.

Creeper screw you flags. Pretty narrow minded of you that you cannot live with other different view points.

Teak I appreciate that you are trying to find some facts, but you are going to have to do better than that. You first piece is from American Immigration Reform (FAIR) a none anti-immigrant group that is run by (proven) a group of racists. Go study what FAIR is all about. I saw that 2004 piece that has been discredited many many times more more objective acadmic sources. It is a completely oneside piece. Two glarring misrepresentations in the piece are: (1) if you look at their data they include a lot of costs which are related to legal immigrants. So their numbers are BS. and (2) they only consider oneside of the equation. They do not include all the billions of tax dollars that illegals put into the system to offset what they use. Illegals may as much consumption taxes and 50% of them actually pay income taxes. There are many other more objective studies that say that illegals may in fact put more into the system than they take out. In addition, there are other studies that say overall illegals are a big net positive contributor to the U.S. economy.

“Implied within this study’s findings is the sense that if these people could suddenly be made to disappear, the federal government would be $10 billion to the plus, and that is almost certainly not true once you look at the numbers,” Jeffrey S. Passel, a demographer at the Urban Institute, said in an interview.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html

Your second article is also complete BS and full of misrepresentations. What is the source? It is a complete BS source. There number have been proven to be wrong. There are also many many academic and more objective studies that say that illegals are far less likey to commit crime compared to the average U.S. citizen. In fact, one California study (based on prison population) said illegals are 10 times less likely to be arrested than non-illegals.

Again, you will have to try hard, go find some really good objective research on illegals and crime and what their net economic impact is on the country.

Try reading these:

What would the economic impact be if nationalized illegals? From the conversative CATO institute:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10438

Do illegals costs jobs?
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/

Do illegals take more out of the tax system than they put in?

http://redblueamerica.com/truthornot/2008-04-03/do-illegal-immigrants-receive-more-government-benefits-they-pay-taxes-2300
http://reason.org/news/show/122411.html

Are illegals responsible for a lot more crime than non-illegals?

When we look at the data, when we look at the real numbers, we find that those claims are wildly exaggerated, if not outright untrue,” says Professor David Harris of the University of Pittsburgh Law School.

According to the FBI, violent crime in Arizona dropped by nearly 1,500 reported incidents between 2005 and 2008. Property crimes also fell. Professor Harris says immigrants, legal and illegal, are five times less likely than native-born Americans to be involved in crime.

http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/20/gut-check-city-issues-ids-to-illegal-immigrants/

To be sure, some illegal immigrants join gangs and are involved in the drug trade. But this is a phenomenon that would exist regardless of there being 12 million illegal immigrants here. For the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants who are law-abiding and have come to the U.S. merely to work.

Yep, that’s what I heard Megyn Kelly say last night on the O’Reilly Factor. I wish I knew the name of the court cases and the applicable laws, etc.