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Clinton set to strike McCain, not Palin

Glenn Thrush Fri Sep 5, 3:39 PM ET

Hillary Rodham Clinton has no intention of becoming a Sarah Palin attack dog — but has no qualms going after John McCain, people close to the former first lady say.
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“She’s not the answer when it comes to winning conservative women — she never was — and we’re not going to be anybody’s attack dog against Sarah Palin,” said a Clinton insider. “To be fair to Obama’s people, they haven’t asked us to do that.”

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Translation:

BARRACK, SWEETIE, IRON YOUR OWN SKIRT!

Don’t touch it Hillary. Its Not Your Fight.
He Stole the nomination let him fight the battle for the presidency.

Now if he wants to step down and hand it over to you including the ticket, thats a different story, but until his does NO WAY!

Hillary is going to stick to McCain and Issues.

Go Hill!

Lets not attack CLinton.

She stood up for us when it was her turn to do so.

Don’t expect her to fight every fight for you.

Fight with your vote.

Grow Up America. If it offends you do something about it.

Talk is cheap Obama

Actions speak louder than words.

Vote your beliefs not your party.

Vote based on a man’s character not the color of his skin.

Yes, I read this earlier, plus the note that she has not responded to Obama’s proposed campaign schedule. But this is all second-hand. Clinton needs to speak for herself.

If she were to say anything remotely defending Palin she will be eviscerated. This is OBAMA’S fight? Why the f*ck does Clinton always have to rescue that piece of sh1t????

Make no mistake. I am 1000% against sexist and mysoginistic treatment, but Clinton is hardly the person to make any kind of stmt because of how it will be perceived by the Obamanators.

No.
I respectfully disagree.

You need to speak for her.

She spoke for us.

She was a victom of the same shit they are doing to palin now.

YOU as in all of us who are offended need to fight this fight.

Let our warrior rest for the next battle. This battle is ours to fight and we have 60 days to ensure the wrong man is not elected so that in 4 years the right woman can be.

Sarah Palin doesn’t need Hillary to stick up for her. She has plenty of people defending her, including some of Hillary’s own supporters. Besides, it’s not as if the media or the Obama campaign will stop their misogynist attacks on Palin just because Hillary says they should.

I, for one, think that Hillary has earned the right to sit this one out.

I can live with Hillary attacking McCain all she wants.
I was fearful that she might go after Sarah. Hillary has spent so mush energy in this campaign, but now I don’t think any minds will be changed.
As my Republican brother said to me today he really came to respect Hillary
These New Democrats need to be flushed before Hillary can run again in 2012.

I am not attacking Clinton. I am a supporter. I am saying that she needs to show character and leadership, lest she be tarred with the hate Obama and his ilk are spewing.

Exactly if Hillary opens her mouth Obama will go about destroying her once and for all and she will be blamed for his loss.

If you truly are a hillary supporter you want her to stay as far away from this shit as possible.

We know how she feels we do not need to drag her out to get bloodied again by the cult of idiocy and hate that is Obamania.

The smartest and most loyal thing that Sen. Clinton can do for both her supports as well as her country is to keep her mouth shut and sit this out. It must be extremely difficult for her to do so, but by doing just exactly that, she de facto supports McCain in 08 and sets herself (and the country) up for Clinton in 2012. All this tells me is that she has the wisdom and discipline to be our President in four years. Bravo!

Having her say anything in defense of Palin at this time is not politically astute.

Let them do their worst. the more they do the madder america will be and thy more Hillary will be vindicated.

Thi sis not a battle we are fighting this is a war. there are long term objectives and one of them is ensuring that Hillary is not blamed for Obama’s failure.

If she speaks out then any loss of female support will be blamed on her and she will be finished politically in the D party and Obama will be sure to run again.

Think strategically. Stop asking her to do for us what we are not willing to do for ourselves.

If obama and his assholios can flood airwaves and callin lines and message boards and chant in streets we can to.

Sometimes grownups need to act like grownups. Sitting by silently while Obama, his cult, the nutroots gang, and the media destroy the Democratic Party with their hate is not a sign of strength. Sometimes you have to do things that have costs associated with them. McCain did this in Viet Nam. While it is not comparable, I think this is Clinton’s moment. Is she a follower or a leader?

Hopefully she is politician-turned Super sleuth so that we can get to the bottom of the just released info about Saudi billionaire paying for Obama law degree at Harvard – not some hokey student loan, and the Berg lawsuit procedding – BHO and DNC served papers yesterday about disqualifications based on citizenship.

What an ass-hat post. If you want to see Cinton doing Barry’s dirty work, your master should have made her his VP. She’s got class and substance. Something Barry doesn’t, neither do his minions.

Obama is absolutely amazing! He had no use for Hillary Clinton nor President Clinton, now he plans to use Hillary and other women/some female Governors in the Democratic Party to come down on the Sarah Palin. Obama and the Democratic Party act as though there are no female leaders in the Republican party ready to defend Sarah Palin. The Barracuda/Sarah Palin seems to be able to handle herself though.

I agree wholeheartedly. Hillary should not have to rescue Obama. Besides Sarah Palin is fortunate enough to have her PARTY defending her!

Again respectfully, NO!

The DNC has a gun to the CLintons head right now.

One of two things will happen if you have her do this.

Obama will win and they will effectivly pull the trigger ending the CLinton political careers for ever by marginalizing her and ensuring she never gets a chance to run again.

Obama will lose and blame Hillary for it and the DNC will not be taken out from under them because they will direct the anger from themselves to the clintons.

Is that what you want?

If you want to play politics you need to be ready to know when to hold and when to attack. This is NOT the time for Hillary to enter this fight.

Agbsolutly NOT!

If Clinton sits this out entirely, maybe she retains her credibility. But, should she campaign for Obama, attack McCain, and ignore the sexist attacks and hate of the Obama campaign and supporters do you really think anyone will ever allow that she didn’t condone it? I don’t think that she can separate the two–for example, the Republicans will be sure to add this to her baggage.

She was silent on this too.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists.
In his most comprehensive statement on terrorism, the senator from Illinois said that the Iraq war has left the United States less safe than it was before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that if elected he would seek to withdraw U.S. troops and shift the country’s military focus to threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Obama’s warning to Musharraf drew sharp criticism from several of his rivals for the Democratic nomination, but not from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.).

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Be fair to Clinton. She’s between a rock and a hard place. If she goes after Obama, she loses a chance to run in 2012… but if Obama wins, she pretty much can’t run until 2016.

If she wants to run in 2012, she needs McCain to win – but not be too successful, or Palin will be in prime position to take over.

Of all Republicans, McCain is probably closest to Hillary’s position on topics – which makes the “McSame” insult even more ludicrous – but would Obama’s position be closer? Even if it is, can we trust him? I don’t, personally, but that’s the issues she’s struggling with – not to mention the pressure that her party is putting her under.

My guess is, she will campaign for Obama – but not too aggressively… her heart isn’t in it.

The smartest and most loyal thing that Sen. Clinton can do for both her supports as well as her country is to keep her mouth shut and sit this out. It must be extremely difficult for her to do so, but by doing just exactly that, she de facto supports McCain in 08 and sets herself (and the country) up for Clinton in 2012. All this tells me is that she has the wisdom and discipline to be our President in four years. Bravo!

Smartest thing said on this thread so far!!!

It must be repeated – Leave Hillary Out of this.

The smartest and most loyal thing that Sen. Clinton can do for both her supports as well as her country is to keep her mouth shut and sit this out. It must be extremely difficult for her to do so, but by doing just exactly that, she de facto supports McCain in 08 and sets herself (and the country) up for Clinton in 2012. All this tells me is that she has the wisdom and discipline to be our President in four years. Bravo!

This was discussed on another thread on a different subject.

I will not trash Hillary on this. Sarah Palin has plenty of people to defend her. The Repubs are doing an excellent job and putting the Democrats to shame. Hillary doesn’t have to say a thing. People get the message.

But apparently some of her supporters don’t. They think this is some kind of Hollywood movie and Hillary has to make like Sally Field in Norma Rae.

It should be abundantly clear by now that Hillary was put in-between a rock and a hard place. She and Bill have been labeled racists. The AA community still believe this and anything they do will be examined. If she says what you people want, AAs will accuse her of sabotaging 0bama. Sorry, but that’s the way it is. It’s not right, but there’s no way around it.

To me her silence is enough and I’m sure as soon as she emerges, some reporter is going to corner her for a sound bite on the subject. She will gain very little by coming out with a statement and would lose a whole lot more if she did.

As it is, her chances in 2012 may be nil. But she doesn’t know that yet for sure, until 0bama crashes and burns. If she makes a statement that they could then use as a reason for 0bama losing then she’s done.

I think it’s unfortunate that this was posted. There’s nothing the Botheads would like better than to see people slamming Hillary. I certainly am not going to give the Botheads the satisfaction.

I cannot understand why any of you would want to.

I agree with you, Matthew, however if Hillary does speak out, she might as well join Joe Lieberman and his new party. I certainly do understand and agree with your post! Don’t hold your breath though. I am slowly losing respect for Hillary as days go by because she should never have allowed the DNC and the MSM to use and abuse her as she did.

Sarah Palin, if she continues to be a viable player in the weeks ahead, will no doubt get a good chunk of Hillary’s supporters. It would be political suicide for Hillary to go after Sarah if she has any intention of ever running again because she is going to need them back.

Sarah has set the bar very high for the rest of her performances. People will expect the same pit bull with lipstick in interviews and debates. I am not going to underestimate her because I have no idea what she knows and how quick of a study she is. Her fall from grace will be swift if she doesn’t live up to her hype.

Based on interviews of people that know her they think she will be able to hold her own. Time will tell. If she does not stumble, she will be VP.

Hllary will become President. Who wants to bet on it ?

I even noticed Geraldine Ferraro has been neutered. Hillary was horribly attacked but she can’t say it because she will be called a whiner. A strong women has to be able to take it. I don’t believe you will ever hear Sarah complain. It’s our job to defend them.

Anyone with half a brain knows it is Obama and Axelrod fueling this sexism through surrogates, just as they did in SC when attacking Hillary and Bill as racists. For Hillary to call out against the sexism antics will be directly attacked against her by people in the DNP.

The person needed to call out the sexism is Obama, that is leadership, but Obama is fueling it, so he can’t call for an end to it, it is one of his only forms of attack left since everything else about him is completely useless.

Hopefully when McCain enters the WH one of his first actions is to replace the Obama Harvard alumni and Chicago twerps on the FCC and then enforces the new FCC to fix the media to become news reporters and not news makers as they have been the past few yrs.

Yeah the more i think about this post the more angry and offended i am geting over it.

This post is very poorly thought out and just plain SUCKS!

Its not Hillary’s job to tell that idiot obama and his disgusting gang of MSM baracksuckers and cult like koolaid drinkers to act like adults and grow the fuck up.

Let them go fully to their folly!

Its not Hillary’s Job to save them from themsleves Thats Obama’s Job!

No kidding. This is Sarah’s fight and no offense Matthew, but I’m a woman and I would not want Hillary to speak up for me. I can take care of myself. I know how to fight. Frankly, Hillary just remaining silent is message enough. Sarah knew what she was getting into. Politics is a blood sport. It would look bad for both women.

My GF asked the same question. “Why doesn’t Hillary speak up?” I don’t know but I suspect she has been threatened..well duh. After 20+ years of threats and abuse from the wing-nuts, I don’t think any personal threat would affect her. If I were the person doing the threatening of Hillary, the only threat that I could think of would be her job in the Senate. I don’t think she give a crap if they threaten to push her out at the next election, I think Dems told her that she would never get another piece of legislation passed for her State or for any cause that she cared about. For Hillary who believes in duty, that would do it.

Why does Clinton lose chance at 2012 if she either truly sits this out or speaks out against the hate? When Obama loses, the DNC will be swept clean. If Obama wins, to be realistic, she will have an extremely uphill battle against a sitting president in the party–there would be on 2012 opportunity. Else, how do you see this happening?

Let me get this straight, palin can call obama a wimp and a fraud and that is OK, but if you attack palin then that is “sexist”. I got it.

You know what, standing on principal will take Hillary infinitely further than remaining silent. Look at the overnight success Palin achieved. Why, because ordinary, everyday Americans could relate to her and appreciated her candor. Hillary was the trail blazer. Palin could not have done what she did had Hillary not cleared her path. If Hillary points out the obvious inflammatory, vicious lies heaped on Ms Palin she only stands to benefit. There is merit and respect for a maverick. Just ask McCain. Hillary will instantly elevate her status with those Americans who yearn for and applaud candor and honesty. Those are her future constituents and voting block. The Democratic party she once knew, (and depended on for the nomination) will not help her on 2012. It will be the new independents who will reward and ultimately elect her. Matthew, you are spot on with your post.

Leave Hillary alone. She’s entitled to privacy as to how, or if, she addresses anything related to the general election. If she were the candidate running against McCain/Palin, I would agree with you. But she’s not, and who are you to question whether or when she speaks about anything?

I have been reading your stuff for a few weeks, and suspected before now that you really were not a Hillary supporter. Now, I’m pretty positive.

I agree. People act like Hillary is some sort of superwoman that has to save everyone.

She’s extremely busy cleaning up Barack’s mess.

Now she has to convince the African-American community that she doesn’t hate Black people, and no, she doesn’t want Obama dead. (There isn’t a strong enough word I can use to explain to people that many, many believe this about her)

Hillary has to convince working-class people that Democratic policies will still help them, and show them that they still matter, after Obama and his thugs threw the Dem working class base to the curb.

She had to defend herself against sexist attacks by the media, fight against Obama’s campaign, fight against high ranking members in her own party.

Now people want her to fight for Palin?

Palin has PLENTY of people fighting for her.
She has John McCain, she has Rudy Giuliani, she has a LOT of women in the GOP fighting for her, heck, she even has Newt fighting for her.

Hillary doesn’t need to come out fighting for Palin. She released her statement saying the sexist attacks were wrong, and that’s all she needs to say about that.

I strongly disagree with you Matthew Weaver.

THis post just feeds the trolls and give the right wing something to use to shit on hillary with.

INCREDIBLY STUPID POST ON NOQUARTER!

WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!

WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!

WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!

What a fool Obama is, Musharrif is resigning, so like he really gives a damn what Bambi says.

Hillary should stay out altogether, lift not a finger to help bail Osbama Bin Lyin’ from a Titanic disaster that he will face. Hillary vs. Palin, 2012! What a nice political duel 4 years from now, right? As for Osbama Bin Lyin’ he will face the judgment of voters and will go down in defeat for his Illinois senate seat that he has not served.

Hillary Clinton should speak up if at the least make a public statement saying to the effect that, My heart is with Sarah Palin during these childish, misogynist, attacks by the god old boys club. All I can offer you is to tell you to hang tough – it just means that you scare them”. The DNC does not have anything on Clinton – she could say to them – screw you, I am taking my 18 million and running as an independent. I would have more respect for her if she spoke up about Palins treatment – her silence makes me think what the republicans are saying and that is Hillary is pissed that another woman may end up becoming the number one.

A nice vacation for Bill and Hillary….I hear the south of France is nice from now until Nov.

Hmmm. Usually the Saudis only offer Islamic charity to people that they believe to be fellow Muslims. Could someone have mis-portrayed the young Obama as a Muslim? Did Obama cooperate? Perhaps an example of his first major bamboozle. Way to go, Barry!

Wuss.

Hillary did all she could for obama she should sit back and let him destroy himself.

THIS IS ABSOLUTLEY NOT HILLARY’S 3:00 AM MONENT!

Really the more i read this post the more offended i am by how incredibly near sighted and how potentially damaging this is to Hillary to try and make it HER responsibility to get the democratic brats to behave!

Very Poorly Thought Out Post!

Palin is fine without Clinton.

But she should not open her mouth once more for Obama until he ponies up some cash for her debt.

Obama is a wimp and a fraud and there is plenty of evidence to back it up. Being a wimp and a fraud is relevant. If the attacks on Sarah are honest and relevant then no problem.

Palin is doing just fine. Everyone needs to relax. She is kicking ass. THe RNC will get Obama one way or another.

Well, if you got it, you should have used a rubber. Be gone, wimpy.

Would this fit the time period that he changed his name?

See, post like this is what I find troubling. If you wanted women to speak up, no matter the party they belonged to, then for that matter, where were the Republican women when Hillary needed the, I didn’t see them or the Democratic women stand up for her. In fact, as I recall, the Republicans have been behind most of the crap that Hillary has had to endure before Obama.

Now it isn’t just Hillary’s job to restore the Democratic party, but to come forward for all women. I find your post, just absurd. From what I have seen, Palin and the GOP are so far doing well. It is unfair to ask Hillary of this, and to then expect her run in 2012 and be nominated in the democratic party.

More and more, I am beginning to think people here are not Hillary supporters, very disappointing.

Where is Hillary? I hope she’s on vacation!!! FFS, she has gone way above and beyond the call of duty for this ungrateful pig. He has already had 2(?) vacations this year, does she have to run herself ragged for this horse’s ass before she can have some time off?

If she continues to clean up after this guy, she will lose my respect and my vote in 2012.

Didn’t I hear some of out troops went into Pakistan today uninvited? Obama = Bush

Mr. Weaver,

I appreciate your concern, but I don’t think you quite comprehend how real politics works.

Jeremiah’s arguments down this thread with you have been absolutely correct, IMHO.

Just sayin’.

Sarah Palin is a big girl, and can well defend herself.

Obama is dispatching her to Florida to win over the low-educated women! Not going after McCain. For me it is pandering by Obama and Clinton. I am more than angry with her….she complained about the sexist comments towards her but allows her party to continue doing this to another woman. I don’t understand how Hillary can remain in a party that is using her (and throwing her away! I don’t think it is worth it!)….and used her up! Mark my words no matter how much she does for the O, it won’t be enough…..I think her career is caput! She will never win another senate seat! And it does seem Hillary has forgot she is an American first….her reputation is being damaged beyond all pale…..she is beginning to look like just another lefty Democrat!

That’s what I said – If Obama wins, she’s out until 2016… her only shot at 2012 if for McCain to win. She has to position herself in such a way that she can’t be blamed for his (Obama’s) defeat, but be in the prime position to do the sweeping if/when the DNC is “swept clean”

This article was from August of last year (2007).

Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright,

You may be angry by the post, you may say this is not Hillary’s fight, but ultimately, it does reflect upon her. If Obama loses she’ll get the blame, whether she speaks out or not, whether she campaigns for him or not. There is absolutely no upside to her being apart of his hate-filled campaign.

When Obama loses in the fall, Hillary can be part of rebuilding. She’ll have her credibility intact. Yes, the Obama folks will be peeved but they will be discredited. Anyway, which part of the losing Democratic Party should she fear? The leadership? The black community that has smaller numbers than the number of Clinton supporters? The math is in her favor, plus, do you really think, and no disrespect intended, that black voters would opt for a Republican next time around? Sure they might not be a strong voting block, but they are part of a bigger party, not the leading element of it.

I think Clinton’s biggest assets are her reputation, her character, and her class. To be apart of Obama’s hate is not a way to sustain it.

Ugh, I wish I could disagree…but I’m thinking of when McCain came out and stuck up for John Kerry in 2004. Of course Kerry is too much of a weasel to do the same for McCain.

On the other hand, I still maintain that Hillary isn’t going to campaign for Obama at all. I think she and Bill may have polling data showing that Obama’s presence on the ticket could lose the Senate this year. She’s going to campaign for congress and senate folks and toss an occasional bone to Obama to try to limit his damage to the party.

A lot of GOP folks still won’t vote for McCain and mention his standing up for Kerry against the smears as a reason.

because if she speaks out against obama and the dnc biased trolls now in the general they will blame her for the loss. Are you that politically niave?

Do you really think that if they lose they wont divert the anger onto clinton and her standing up against them in the general as a way to save their asses and explain why they lost?

Politics is not horseshoes and lawn darts?

What the hell is up with all the anti-Hillary posts again? Jesus Christ. Sarah doesn’t need or want Hillary’s help. She can take care of herself.

I think she and Bill are looking at the difference between winning battle and winning wars. IN 2000, the Rove-Bush campaign trashed McCain, his war record and his family. “Black illegitimate 1/2 AA daughter, was a “song-bird” as a POW and go special treatment, etc. Hs said nothing and I was WTF is his problem. Well I guess delayed revenge is worth the wait. Hopefully Hillary and Bill are using the same strategy.

Furthermore I find the defense of Palin here, and the treatment of her as a heroine, somewhat disrespectful to the women, like myself, who have said the body parts don’t matter, its the resume. Truth be told Palin, is no Hillary Clinton, she is just the Republican’s Barack Obama. The fresh new face on the block. Neither Obama or Palin or any different or have anything to offer. Biden and McCain are another matter.

Hillary is doing what she has to do. She said she would support the nominee and she is doing that, I find it disgusting that people here want her to go on her word. She is actually going to be campaigning more for down the ticket dems than for Obama, and she is staying out of this, like she should. This is not her fight.

And it is because of Hillary Clinton that Palin has been successful.

When did Palin call Obama a wimp and a fraud? She may have been implying that but she never used those words. Anyway, if the shoe fits wear it.

You Obots scream at us to stick to the issues but when you use vicious personal attacks that is always fine and dandy.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The rock group Heart, angry that its ’70s hit “Barracuda” is being used as the unofficial theme song for Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, is taking aim at the Alaska governor.

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The song, a nod to the “Sarah Barracuda” nickname Palin earned on the basketball court in high school, was dusted off for her appearance at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul on Wednesday.

Heart singers Ann and Nancy Wilson said a “cease-and-desist” letter has been sent to the Republicans asking them not to use the song.

“The Republican campaign did not ask for permission to use the song, nor would they have been granted that permission,” according to a statement issued late on Thursday on behalf of the sisters.

There was no immediate comment from the Republican camp.

Last month, rocker Jackson Browne sued Republican presidential candidate John McCain, the Republican National Committee and the Ohio Republican Party, accusing them of using his 1977 hit “Running on Empty” in a campaign ad without permission.

Copyright law may not be on the Wilsons’ side as the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the venue to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners.

Despite the Wilson sisters’ objections, one of the song’s co-writers said he was “thrilled” that the song was used.

In an e-mail to Reuters, the band’s former guitarist, Roger Fisher, said it was a win-win situation. Heart gets publicity and royalties, while the Republicans benefit from “the ingenious placement of a kick-ass song,” Fisher said.

But in a subsequent email, Fisher said he strongly endorsed the Democratic ticket, and would donate a portion of royalties he receives from the Republicans’ airing of “Barracuda” to the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama.

“With my contribution to Obama’s campaign, the Republicans are now supporting Obama,” he said.
Fisher and the Wilsons wrote “Barracuda” with drummer Michael DeRosier. It appeared on the group’s second album, “Little Queen” in 1977. The song was inspired by the band’s anger over an obnoxious record label executive.

(Reporting by Dean Goodman; editing by Jill Serjeant)

I have been and am ABSOLUTELY a Clinton supporter. Just because I question what is going on now is not a reason to play the troll game and suggest that I was not. You cheapen the conversation by using the tactics of the nutroots gangs.

You are either incredibly politically niave, or you have a hidden agenda to have hillary speak out and ensure that her political funeral is schedule post haste.

In either case, your posting is beyond the pale when it comes to the lack of understanding whose 3:00 am moment it is.

This is Obama and the Obama supporters and the Main Stream Media’s 3:00 am moment.

And they are failing miserably.

Its not Hillary’s Problem or her responsiblity.

Leave Hillary Out of It!

Worst Thread Ever on a pro hillary site.

The pressure that woman is under must be unbelievable. On the one side Obama, his vicious followers including the DNC and all those congressional colleagues who were forced and not forced to support him- and on the other side her followers second guessing her. It’s a tight tight rope she;’s walking.

Can we trust that the woman is under some kind of serious threat and just stop demanding of her ?

Bingo! It would hurt both women politically if Hillary spoke up. Hillary will be blamed for Barky losing and Sarah will be seen as a typical weak female who can’t carry her own weight.

The point is that if we do not want anyone insulting Sen. Hillary Clinton because she is a woman, then we should also stand against anyone doing same thing to any woman. Injustice against one is injustice against all. So, sexism against one is sexism against all.

Simply put, Sen. Hillary Clinton should come out and strongly condemn such sexism against The good Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska. That is what leaders do.

Is very hard for me to comment on this post because me and my friends are having this same argument. I know exactly what the author is trying to say. But HRC is already looked as if she was a “whinner” if she came out and “whined” some more and especially for the other party. The Dems and the media will eat her alive. I feel like sometimes people have to sacrificy some things in order to help more people in the future(2012). If HRC is able to wait until 2012, she will be able to HELP MORE people. But if she is ousted by her party all her ideas and policies will never come true.

Idk, that is just my opinion.And I respect yours as well.

First of all, Palin called Clinton a whiner for speaking out against sexism. Second, Clinton is not running and has put Camp O on notice that she’s more concerned with supporting Senate races and retiring her debt. This is not her fight. Then there’s the “sisterhood vs. party” issue. All in all, the less said on Obie’s behalf or Palin’s defense by HRC, the better. Sometimes leadership is knowing when not to engage.

Also HRC is under alot of pressure, she needs to please everyone. I feel terrible sad for her, she can never win

Who gives a shit?

The smartest and most loyal thing that Sen. Clinton can do for both her supports as well as her country is to keep her mouth shut and sit this out. It must be extremely difficult for her to do so, but by doing just exactly that, she de facto supports McCain in 08 and sets herself (and the country) up for Clinton in 2012. All this tells me is that she has the wisdom and discipline to be our President in four years. Bravo!

Yeah, but is she going to sit it out? Is she simply going to campaign for struggling democrat congress folks who may get torpedoed by appearing on the same slate as Obama, or do something more?

Only time will tell, so basing my future plans upon her future behavior doesn’t really get me anywhere. But the contrast with John McCain, who pissed off republicans (for about the thousandth time) by sticking up for John Kerry in 2004 could hurt her.

Tax probe into long time Clinton supporter was started during the Primaries.

The Tax probe into Charles Rangel, 15th Congressional District of New York, was started by Obama Operatives after he refused to defect in February.

Rangel, the head of the “Ways and Means” Committee is the most powerful Black man in America.

Rangel’s influence at a brokered Dem. Convention was feared and the Obama Campaign was looking for “leverage” to use against Rangel if it got tough in Denver.

Convention over, probe over, Pay back taxes and a fine and move on.

No one will notice—RIGHT???

Yeah! Like we are not all adults here and need the facts of life explained.

Well it didn’t go un-noticed by the PUMAs Barack!

Other Clinton supporters report they have been similarly threatened by Obama.

It was meant to send the chilling message, “if they can do this to Rangel, what can they do to you”???

Down load this post and e-mail it to everyone out there who worked for Clinton.

“To be for warned is to be for armed”.

I have nothing but the highest respect for Charles Rangel who never caved.

I felt the same way when I saw McCain hug Bush. I almost vomited. Now he’s going to take the White House. Politics is not for the faint hearted.

Now this is a ridiculous comment Navyvet48. I am honestly torn about whether she should comment. But I am absolutely certain that Hillary has garnered tremendous respect and a larger following as a result of her candidacy. Her Senate seat is hers. Wish she could just go to Africa with Bill til November……..The GOP are doing a fine job of standing up for Palin. As they should.

I think we should be the ones to point out the continued mysogynist treatment of woman from the party that supposedly has the biggest tent. WTF? They are shooting themselves in the foot. If we watch long enough maybe it will be to the head.

To those that are writing here and saying that Hillary is being used, trust me she isn’t. She is walking a tight rope. She has to sides now targeting her, her supporters aren’t even supporting her, as one can see here, how disgusting.

She is doing the best she can. It isn’t her job to protect neither Obama or Palin. They are politicians, they need to stick up for themselves, like Hillary stood up for herself. I am very disappointed, in the people here who think it is her job to defend Palin or Obama. As I recall Palin nor any other woman, except for Geraldine, Republican or Democrat stood up for her.

If we turn our back on HRC, BO has won and that will be very sad.

I think it’s Bill’s analogy that applies here

you have candidate X who agrees down the line with you but you don’t think has the ability to implement any of it

or candidate Y, who agrees with you 1/2 time and has a proven record of accomplishments…

what do you do?

if you’re HRC… you stay OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE as well as you can or YOU are going to blamed by the candidate who specializes in it

HE WOULD USE HRC as the reason the party MUST RESURRECT HIM in 2012. He’d apply his well honed skill of fraud, pandering, manipulation and thuggery as needed.

The Islamic Cult has infiltrated into the Democratic Party and becomes a core of the party.

Said to say, Clinton and her supporters have been marginalized and the Islamic cult is in total control now.

Clinton was rejected unfairly by the Islamic cult of DNC just shows that the Islamic cult is all powerful and taking total charge now.

Clinton is just helpless and can’t do anything about it.

Vote McCain/Palin ticket to deny the Islamic Cult from reigning the USA.

Exactly!

Recently, on this site, I’ve made similar statements to this post, but as I was thinking about it today, I’ve come the conclusion that having this debate only divides us. I feel it is more important for us to stay united! Now, everyone has had a chance to voice their opinion. There will be plenty of time after the election to debate this issue again. Right now, I suggest that we keep our eyes on the prize.

I am sure behind the scenes many of the party Clinton haters are rejoicing because they know that even if Obama loses, Clinton loses too. Forever

Clinton has already lost quite a bit of respect among her supporters for not fighting the DNC and taking her legitimate fight to the floor. Add to that her performance at the convention where she allowed votes to be silenced and it makes it look as if her real priority was Hillary and not the
American people.

Hillary had a chance to be a champion but she wasn’t willing to risk it. She let herself be used by the party and if she continues to fight for Obama it will be the final kiss of death for her.

This is one time that Hillary made a bad choice. Back in June she never should have suspended her campaign, even if it meant that she would ultimately lose. If she had stayed in the fight maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we are today.

When I first read your post, I agreed with you Matthew. Then, upon reading everyone’s comments (well, skipping over the ones that were less than respectful of your honest post) I changed my perspective a bit.

Sarah Palin did say during the now infamous “perceived whining” interview that, while sexism and misogyny was out there, her opinion was that it was best to ignore it and plow right through. So, I don’t think she would be appreciative of Hillary defending her. I think Sarah, and her party, can do the defending, and ultimately the media, Obama, and the Dems will look like the fools they are.

If, however, Hillary continues to campaign for Obama and voice her support of him, then she is in effect defending the very behavior that she said she was fighting against, and that I can’t condone.

So, I agree with you that if she sits it out entirely, she can retain her credibility (and my respect and support). If she continues to stand behind Obama, she’ll lose me.

Either way, I’ll be voting for McCain/Palin in November. No way do I want Obama anywhere NEAR the White House!

If she says what you people want, AAs will accuse her of sabotaging 0bama.

- I’m glad you get it mimi.

I swear, I don’t think people realize how many AA’s hate Hillary right now. Hillary now has to mend that relationship due to Obama’s slash and burn tactics.

She has so many battles going on right now, and I hate to see people that are supposed to her supporters, show lack of understanding about the position that she is in right now.

Hillary released a statement condemning the sexist attacks, and that should be enough.

We are now witnessing one of those through the thick & thin times, and I trust that Hillary knows what she is doing.

No one reads your shit.

This is not about helping Governor Palin. She is more than capable of defending herself and the Republican’s have already proven successful at neutralizing Obama’s race card tactics. What this is about is Clinton. What is she to do or not do in the party. This is her 3 a.m. moment to either act like a party leader and future candidate for play follower to the Dear Leader. She’ll get blamed for Obama’s defeat regardless, so she might as well retain her dignity.

Why can’t Sarah take the stage to some Nugemeister?
Maybe the song where he sings about strangling his ex?

C’mon! We’re talking red state values here!

It takes a value village!

LOL, nice one, Strawberry!

I’m surprised to see that some people are so devoted to a PARTY that they will defend the politician’s actions regardless of what they do. If I was Hillary, I would leave a party that treated me in such a manner & could never support a man who is friends with terrorist & thugs. I’ve been told all my life I march to the beat of my own drum too so it’s amazing for me to see such followers. I’ve walked away from lots of financial situations in my life because I didn’t believe in something & no PARTY or person could ever own me. Do some of you actually think Hillary is still worrying about you every night instead of thinking about herself? If so, wake up you’re just another vote that’s needed for them to win an election. Own yourself instead of letting someone else own you.

I’m sorry, but if I remember correctly, John McCain belongs to the same republican machine that spent 20 years Clinton-bashing. Hillary has been hurt enough by the republicans and by a very divisive and bloody primary campaign. I am not voting for EITHER of the two clowns currently running, both of whom have trashed Hillary either directly or through their surrogates. And Sarah Palin cannot hold a candle to Hillary. It’s as though people have forgotten that?

Dear nobo,

of course obama is a wimp and a fraud. But what’s palin? Does she believe in creationism? If she does what does that say about her? Does she feel Jews, Muslims and Hindus should be converted since they are “nonbelievers”? Is she a warmonger like mccain?
Did she have an affair with her husband’s ex-business partner? What is her plan for the economy? Does she believe in a strong dollar? A weak dollar? What is her plan to improve health care? Does she have a plan? Why won’t the mccain people let palin take questions from the press?

Actually let me break down how poorly though out your reasoning is.

Caveat – This is not a personal attack on you at all btw. this is an attack on the argument. I like you but i do not like this thread.

You may be angry by the post, you may say this is not Hillary’s fight, but ultimately, it does reflect upon her. If Obama loses she’ll get the blame, whether she speaks out or not, whether she campaigns for him or not. There is absolutely no upside to her being apart of his hate-filled campaign.

She is a member of a party. Without a party she can not affect change in this country in the position she serves. If she goes against her party now after they rejected her and told her to sit down and shut up it will be CLinton Drama all over again.

If she speaks out now the MSM will vilify her not as a feminist standing up against sexism but as a bitter entitlement seeker sourgrapes person trying to get even.

This will destroy her credibility. Dont think so? Did you not watch what they did to the clintons in the primaries? have you forgotten?

Did you not see how they cast Bill as unhinged because he tried to stand up against the racism cahrges?

These people will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. They are facists.

When Obama loses in the fall, Hillary can be part of rebuilding. She’ll have her credibility intact.

No she will not. If Obama loses in the fall and Hillary is painted as having to do anything with it, instead of getting a rebuilding and cleining of the obama stain from the party,

We will get a witch hunt for the Turncoat hillary and her supporters still in the party and the Obama gang will run the rest of them out and take over completely.

And 2012 will be Hopey Changey Part 2.

I think Clinton’s biggest assets are her reputation, her character, and her class. To be apart of Obama’s hate is not a way to sustain it.

Its not her fight. Its not a reflection on her.

She has already spoken out against sexims this election cycle. If you are offended by it then you take up the sword and fight. She has done enough, its your turn its our turn now. Vote your displeasure.

That about sums up the situation.

I have to agree with Matthew. Hillary is not showing her leadership skills by not saying anything and and still going out and campaigning for Obama. I can live with one or the other but not both. Hillary is playing the battered wife who is standing by the man that beat her down. It is a role very unbecoming her (politics or not). She is in essence saying to all battered women this is what we need to do to help our man succeed so he will be good to us the next time.

Hey Obama is comparing Bush’s economy to Clinton’s, that alone should disqualify him for consideration.

Were it not for the fact McCain is so worshipful of Bushco. and the horrid economic tsunami that AWOL hath wrought.

Thank you Nopers, that’s exactly how I feel. Glad to see someone else feels the same way.

This post sucks and is an aberration in this site known for incisive thinking. Fortunately, the writer does not speak for Larry. Sarah is a big girl and she has proven that a lot of times. Agree with the comment that Hillary speaking out in defense of Sarah will only be misinterpreted and counter-productive to Sarah and female-empowerment causes, and to Hillary herself (watch the MSM accusing her of schadenfreude etc). So her non-response is the best response.

wasnt this troll banned for posting racist shit?

I agree with this article. Clinton endured sexism and I was disgusted that she had to go through it. Now Palin is getting hammered much worse.

Party loyality has its limitations but leadership doesn’t. Her decision to sit by and be a good Democrat does not impress me but leadership and caring about people does. I am not interested in a party politician but am interested in one that has core values.

Obama believes it is all about HIM. Now Clinton is sending the same message that it all about HER. When she was wrongly subjected to garbage she did not appreciate it and rightfully so. Clinton has the opportunity to demonstrate leadership here and she has been AWOL. She does this at her own peril.

The pressure that woman is under must be unbelievable.

- I know!!!!!!

I can’t even imagine how it feels to be in Hillary Clinton’s shoes right now.

And yet somehow, she’s always able to pull through it with so much class.

Hats off to her. wow.

Sorry to repeat myself, but I also believe that the Obama/Axelrod/Dean folks are trying to force her to campaign for The One by releasing this statement to the media. Remember all the stories about “Clinton aides” saying she really, really, really wanted to be Barry’s veep nominee? I still think she turned Barry down in June and all the stories after that time were efforts to change her mind.

I hope she doesn’t bow to their pressure this time. If she does, Matthew’s post will be 100% true for many people, and it could very well cost her a general election in the future.

She is in an extremely difficult position. The worse Obama loses this year, the easier it will be for her supporters to toss Dean out on his ass. But if she appears hostile to her party’s nominee or to relish his defeat, even though it’s the only way to overthrow the Axelrod/Dean/Reid/Pelosi cabal, she may not be able to win the primary in 2012 because of lingering hostility from the base.

And the part of the base that supports Obama is pretty nasty…I could see them being very vindictive toward her in 2012. Or even maybe holding a grudge against Chelsea if she chose to pursue politics in the future?

Matthew,

I appreciate your point of view, and your strong support of Hillary, but, respectfully, I have to disagree with your views on this issue.

NoQ just posted video this morning with Sarah Palin remarking about Hillary Clinton mentioning the sexist treatment she received.

Palin was respectful of Hillary, but indicated that Hillary was wrong to bring it up and draw attention to it. Palin said, as a woman, you have to assume they are going to throw the kitchen sink at you, it goes with the territory, ‘just be twice as good and get on with it and don’t mention it.’

Sounds like good advice. Sounds like she wants to handle it herself.

Hillary is not damaging her legacy by not chiming in.

I am very upset with anyone asking Hillary to stand out in front and bear even more slings and arrows. How much do we want from this woman. Blood?

I still don’t think anybody gets the depth and breadth of the sh*t she had to walk through every day during this campaign. I woke up tearful and in a cold sweat every primary day waiting to hear what other kind of filth they were going to say in the media to discredit her.

This woman is powerful and brilliant and very courageous, but she is also a human being. There is only so much anyone can do or put up with. Should she put herself out there again to get beat up some more?

We know that Hillary was strong-armed into conceding after the most disgusting pressure and disrespectful treatment ever. She has chosen, because there is no other choice if she wants to ever see her agenda for the American people fulfilled, to stay with her Party and have a place at the table. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war.

It is not her job to speak up for Sarah Palin. Hillary said today, as reported by Politico, that she will not attack Palin. But Palin is after all a Republican. The media and people in her own party defecated on Hillary all year no matter what she did. Do we want them to ‘slit her throat’ altogether? You know there is a faction in this party that wants to do exactly that — and they tried. If she says something about this they will condemn her as a Republican and do that ‘Bush lite’ crap all over again.

She can make a general statement about sexism having no place in the debate but that is about all.

Palin can handle herself and she said as much on her video today.

Furthermore, strategically, if Hillary comes out to defend Palin — it reeks of what Obama wants Hillary to do — save his ass.

We want Obama to lose — yes? Then Palin must show she is just as tough as Hillary.

Palin has the entire RNC rallying around her. Many voters out here are doing the same.

Hillary had her own party chiming in and beating on her in addition to Obambi and the media — only her voters spoke up about the sexism and for that we were ridiculed.

After what happened to Hillary, we were on alert — and they are now on notice.

There may be another way to look at this, Matthew. Letting the Dems and media attack like this just makes them look even worse because it makes everyone remember what they did to Hillary and like Palin more.

I abhor this entire horror show. I will never forgive or forget what happened this year. I cannot even put into words the depths of my disgust and upset. But I am not going to make Hillary accountable to right these wrongs.

That is now up to us voters — to fight, to stand up loud and proud and boycott, picket, write, call and most of all — VOTE.

She wants to be president. She can not come out in support of Sarah. Her silence will speak volumes. Like I said, as a woman, I would not want Hillary to speak out for me. It would make me look weak. Like Biden speaking for Barky on foreign affairs for Barky. It makes Barky look weak to have someone else speaking for him.

Hillary is under no obligation to defend Sarah Palin. Hillary is a politician and she is making the smart political moves. Stop attacking her.

The Obots will most certainly blame Hillary when Obummer goes down. Why give them more ammunition?

At this point IMHO the best case scenario is Obummer goes down in a landslide loss, all the Obots in the party are thrown out of leadership positions, and Hillary is the candidate in 2012.

Absolutely! Matthew, you are giving an impression that this site is slowly turning towards becoming a Repug site, and not an anti-Obama and pro-Hillary site. There’s a reason why we see Hillary’s picture below Larry Johnson, and not that of Palin or McCain.

Last I checked, Larry Johnson has not endorsed John McCain.

No Hillary supporter is endorsing John McCain or Palin. We are merely doing an anti-Obama vote this Nov, nothing more, nothing less.

The fact that Hillary has not said a thing about Palin speaks volumes that Hillary understands what is going on, and I do not doubt that Hillary finds the sexist attacks on Palin revolting.

But I think Palin does not need Hillary’s help. She has the Republicans defending here, isn’t it?

No one from the Democrats defended Hillary when she was attacked. Hillary is not as fortunate as Palin is. And remember, Hillary earned what she has achieved so far, while Palin was merely selected by a man to be a VP candidate; she did not struggle as Hillary did. Palin cannot hold a candle to Hillary’s achievements.

Hillary needs to take back the Democratic Party from Obama and the Obamabots, and the only way she can do that intact is to appear as a loyal Democrat to the party’s rank and file.

To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.

Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary was not so fortunate.

This is overall a very poorly thought out post, if not the worst I have seen on No Quarter. Postings like these give ammunition to the likes of Obama and Taylor Marsh to label us Hillary supporters as repugs.

Overall, I am very disappointed in the posting you have made here, Matthew Weaver.

I think you owe Hillary an apology.

Hillary ’12!

I disagree. Sarah Palin stands for everything Hillary does not. The only thing they have in common is their ovaries. Isn’t it possible that Hillary would be making a strong feminist statement by speaking out against the ways in which she and Palin differ? After all, Palin is to the right of McCain. Isn’t it more sexist to assume that all of us women are a monolith? I’m sorry, but anyone who takes pictures posing with dead animals is seriously terrifying to me. Sarah Palin is NO Hillary Clinton and I wish people would stop acting like she is.

If Obama is somehow elected, he’ll be a disaster. And Dean, Pelosi and Reid will be in charge; they’ll be disasters, too. The only question is how long will it take for the Democratic party to implode. When it does, Clinton will have to be in position to take advantage with clean hands. The Obama propaganda team would love nothing more than to label Clinton a Republican sympathizer and marginalize her even further. Let her play her hand, not the one you wish she had.

Matthew,

Seriously dude, don’t make me bitch slap you.

Matthew wrote: “Since Obama’s coronation and McCain’s bold selection of Governor Sarah Palin as his VP choice we’ve seen worse and more blatant misogynism than ever thrown at Clinton during the primary. Obama’s cult following, nutroots gangs, and media have savaged Palin and her family with derogatory, sexist, and vicious rants that have no place in any public or private conversation, much less as part of the political election debate. ”

BULLSHIT. Hillary was subjected to blatant sexism 10 times worse than Palin. And for 6 months, not just a few days. The sexism against Hillary still continues, but the issue that she was the victim of sexism was almost completely suppressed until she dropped out in June. No doubt this was intended to divide the party hurting Obama. Indeed, feminists were crying bloody murder since January. The corporate media simply suppressed it and instead greedily piled-on assisting Obama in his scurrilous race-baiting, gender-baiting and character assassination of Hillary.

The corporate media has already sided with Palin, the GOP Trojan horse candidate is really here purely to steal traditionally Democratic women voters for GOP. She’s a rightwing wacko. A true fellatio feminist.

Mind you, I’m voting for McCain-Palin nonetheless simply because I think Obama is worse, since he is the threat from within. As Dem’s, we should expect the GOP to pull dirty tricks, but one of our own?!? Fuck that. Internal threats are always worse than external threats. Obama is the cancer from within.

Between Obama and Hillary, the corporate media supported Obama. But between Obama and McCain, they are clearly supporting McCain. The tell-tale signs are there if you can read them. Learn to read them, my friend. It would definitely help.

HINT: Read the damn tea leaves. There was simply no sympathy for Hillary for 6 months of the worse sexism and misogyny EVER in American politics. Yet, after only a few days, there’s plenty of sympathy for Palin. It’s no coincidence. This is pretty damn peculiar don’t cha think?!? Fuck yeah.

Matthew wrote: “Throughout this orgy of hate, not one word from Clinton. Not once did she voice protest or urge calm. She sat this out. ”

Sure, and where the fuck was Palin when Clinton was being savaged for 6 months until she dropped out?!? Where the fuck were all the GOP women?!? Check your memory, they were in fact piling-on and using the rapist defense against Hillary repeatedly saying in so many words: The bitch deserved it!

Matthew wrote: “I’ve got to be very honest and say today that I am very troubled by Clinton’s out-of-sight inaction on the Democratic attacks against Governor Palin. ”

Get over yourself.

Matthew wrote: “If Clinton does not say anything, if she continues to ignore the hate and thereby provide her acceptance and blessing to what Obama and his cult, nutroots gangs, and media following have and are doing, then she will lose my respect. I cannot support and respect someone who will not stand tall on simple matters of right and wrong. ”

Get a clue.

Matthew wrote: “Clinton should know first hand how hateful and how damaging the hate is. Yet, she says nothing, does nothing.”

She does. She knows Palin is nothing more than a fellatio feminist. I like Palin style and I like that she’s sticking it to Barack O’Bullshit, but policy-wise, she’s horrible. Might as well elect a man like Scott Peterson or Joran Vanderslut.

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Repeat: I’m still voting for McCain-Palin, not because I believe in McCain-Palin, but because I can’t stand Obama. If Palin is Joran Vanderslut with lipstick, then Obama is OJ with a Harvard Law Degree. Take your pick.

P.S. Do you really think the NYT’s story on McCain’s alleged affair was designed to hurt McCain? Do you really think CBS’s story about Bush being AWOL during his stint in the Alabama National Guard was designed to hurt Bush? Hint: It turned the both of them into victims, even though there is plenty of credible rumors that both scandals were true. In particular, never mind Dan Rather, Bush’s own commanding officer said he NEVER showed up for duty.

Edwards was irreparably damaged by his scandal. McCain and Bush were turned into victims by theirs. Go figure.

Hillary was victimized for 6 months and got no sympathy whatsoever, from the corporate media or the GOP. Palin is victimized in a few days and has tons of it–including from Hillary’s Democratic supporters. Go figure.

Palin doesn’t need the help. The attacks are creating a backlash and helping defeat Obama, which is exactly what Clinton wants.

To PhxNickD:

Hillary is doing exactly what she said she would do. From where I sit the GOP is doing a good job of defending Palin.

However, not everything being said about Palin is sexist and isn’t even coming close to what was said about Clinton. By the way, I didn’t see Palin sticking up for Hillary back in the primaries or any other woman for that matter in the Republican party. I find it odd that people hold Hillary to such hi standards, yet no other woman.

We’re not children. Hillary doesn’t need to do for us. We can speak out, too.

Wow, VERY disrespectful of Hillary and her plight. I guess you’ve swallowed the Sarah koolaid, triple strength!

gross.

How easy you people are turned against those who have faught for you for years.

To think that its clintons responsibility now is acting like childrenwho just want more more more form mommy. Let Mommy rest.

She faught her ass off for you.

Now its your turn.

You dont like it go vote.

Stop screaming every two minutes when the playground jerk hits that Mom shoudl come and save you. Hit the fuckers back.

Vote against it in November. Boycott those that advertise on their channels and let them know you are doing it.

Exactly. Thank you.

Hillary ’12!

Hey gals, calm down. I’ve been a very loyal supporter of Hillary. I just think ALL women should speak up against obvious sexism. I’m a small business owner in a very technical male dominated field. Let me tell you I’ve hit my head on glass ceilings more than I care to admit. I’ve got the knots on the noggin to prove it. I really think Hill would benefit when she speaks out against obvious bias. She’s a “real” woman, wife, mother and brilliant. Why sit on the side lines and NOT call out sexism when it rears it’s head. Like the “good ol’boy network, we need a secret sisterhood of our own.

No. you are wrong. HRC has done all she has to and more, and she has suffered enough.

I will not participate in this effort to divide pumas, i don’t care how you qualifuy it whether you vote obama or not.

Clinton can criticise McCain and republican program and policies, that is all. she is not going to heap praise on obama. that is ok in my book.

I am sick and tired of men telling HRC what to do, you know?

I will not participate in this slam of HRC. YOu say you are an HRC supporter? Well if you were you would not be posting something like this.

I’ve got her back always. I know what she has to do now.

MOstly, we have better things to talk about than second guessing Clinton. We have to make sure barky is defeated, and hammering clinton again is not the way to do it.

I don’t think Hillary is obligated to defend anyone but herself.

Get real.

Speaking of Barky, anyone notice how tired he looks these days? He doesn’t look well.

I haven’t read the details on Rangel but my understanding is that he skipped paying taxes on over $70K income. I don’t buy into conspiracy theories about why he got caught. He cheated and now has to deal with the consequences. I’m not a resident in the 15th CD, but I doubt he’ll lose his seat.

Anyway, his tax problems have nothing to do with Clinton’s campaign, nor with Obamas.

I think you owe Hillary an apology.

Agreed!

Nobody here believes Sarah Palin is another Hillary Clinton. I am voting Republican this one time only. I am anticipating my party reforming itself after the huge Obummer loss in November. Then I will return to voting Democratic.

Um, did you listen to McCain’s acceptance speech? He took Bush and the congressional republicans who created this big spending, corrupt mess to the woodshed. He had to do it cordially, of course. But I certainly caught his meaning.

Bewoulf well put. Someone has to say it.

By the way, I am a Clinton supporter, and I don’t side with Palin at all. In fact, the more I get to know about her, the less I like her.

I am voting third party this time, both parties suck.

I’m sorry but I respectfully AGREE with Matthew. I was 1000% about Hillary and maxed out my contribution ($2300) to her but for her to stand back and not say anything about the media frenzy, which is much worse now with Palin is bad.

It’s about women, not Republican or Democrat and that’s why Hillary should be standing against it!

That is what this site is about. To own our own vote and respectfully disagree with each other otherwise we would be like the Obamabots so stop attacking Matthew for his viewpoint. There are others who have the same viewpoint and they are afraid to voice it because we don’t want to be attacked here like at the DailyKos. So step back folks and let people voice their opinion and stop the hating just because someone looks at something differently than you do.

Don’t you dare say that I’m a Republican troll because I’m not. I became an independent (36 year voting Democratic) in early June.

McCain/Palin ’08/Hillary 2012

Are you going to cry over a remark about Hillary? How silly!

From what I understand from the Yahoo article Jeremiah quoted from, she’s campaigning in Florida for Dems running down-ticket. She said that she would be happy to discuss the economy with Sarah Palin, but not abortion rights. As far as campaigning for Obama – her people have informed them that her scheduled is pretty well booked throughout the fall in support of those down-ticket Dems, but would see what she could do to help.

I agree that she should stick to that type of support. Sarah Palin is fortunate, in that, she does have the support of her party. I’m not sure what Hillary could do – for many it would sound like whining. You saw what happened at that one debate when she complained about having to go first all the time.

When Obama loses – Hillary will have the party at her feet – as it should be. This is not her fight.

I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain offered her a Cabinet post. Whether she would take it or not remains to be seen – but my guess is that might be in the offing.

It saddens me that she will not be “the first” – but she paved the way. Somehow, despite her likely grief over what has transpired, there is something incredibly noble about her.

As an astrologer, I look at her chart and she has a stellium in Scorpio. One of the animal symbols for Scorpio is the eagle. Another bird, that represents her chart ruler, Pluto, is the Phoenix. Hillary is an eagle soaring above the detritus that Obama left behind in Denver and she is the Phoenix that will rise from the ashes of this temporary set back.

There is a lot of free-floating anger here. It seems like BO/BS might get away with being a crook. And here everyone was all pumped up over Hillary saving the day. But she wasn’t able to dodge every bullet after all, and now she is getting blamed for not sacrificing herself to say “this is evil, shame on you, Barack Obama.” (look what happened when she actually did that)
I’m not happy, if it were me I’d name names, but it isn’t her plan evidently and I don’t blame her for the general disappointment. I don’t expect her to stand up and be shot down to salve somebody’s feeling of rightness. Does anyone think she is doing this because she expects rewards from BO/BS? I see her support as tepid and much like McCain’s support of Bush. McCain bit the bullet and now it’s his day. Hillary’s only chance is the same, bite the bullet and let Barky take himself down. He’s doing splendidly. Suicide missions are only good for one spectacular moment.

Hillary has to play the part of the loyal soldier and be seen as doing her part to help elect a Democrat. Otherwise, she’ll never get another shot at the presidency. But rest assured that she won’t do any more than she absolutely has to.

Are you spamming this? We don’t need the nutroots garbage here.

So Yo, where were the Republican women when Hillary was getting trashed including Palin. Oh that’s right, they were pretty mum.

No thanks.

wonderful post Dr. Kate.

Is it possible that Hillary or her family has been literally threatened by someone? Was just listening to Blogtalk (My Two Cents) and there was a discussion of the recent deaths of Hillary supporters Bill Gwatney and Stephanie Tubbs Jones and another Hillary campaign worker. MommaERadioRebels was in the discussion and she brought up a lot of interesting points. But I have to admit that I was sad to hear both Bill and Hillary give speeches in support of Obama and then cave in and stop the roll call vote.
I watched the event with Sarah and John in Sterling Heights, Mich today live on the internet. Sarah explained her son spent his last year of high school in West Michigan near Kalamazoo (seems it allowed him to play hockey) which I hadn’t heard before. Someone gave her a Red Wings jersey which she seemed to like.

Sarah is not running for president so it is not her platform. The affair? Give me a break.

If obama wins there will never be Hillary 12.

Go ahead and not vote.

See how much good that does.

You cant go back and wish you would have when its over.

John McCain and Hillary are very good friends by the way. If you don’t know that then you don’t really Know Hillary.

No excusing of what the Republicans did against the Clintons for the years since they first entered the national arena, but thats their job, they are the opposition…but to see the Democrats do it to them this primary season is beyond the pale.

If you really do want Hillary running in 12 you need to ensure Obama does not win in 08.

Even that shitty president carter get the partys nomination for his second term run before the people said hell no.

Or did you forget about Teddy Never was a President Kennedy.

Think

Then Vote.

Dear Beawolf, good points. But after 8 years of cheney/bush how can this country afford 4 more years of cheney/mccain?

I intend to vote for McKinney. If you don’t like her, vote for Barr. He is honest. Don’t vote for mccain! He’s bad news and a warmonger. This country doesn’t need a depression and more war.

To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.

Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary was not so fortunate.

HILLARY ’12!

Matthew, the republicans propping Sarah Palin up as a hollow and shallow symbol of women’s “progress” won’t be voting for Hillary in 2012 anyway. Remember, they are in PANDER mode to siphon off the Hillary vote now. On day one of the McCain/Palin administration, however, you better bet it’ll be right back to the same anti-woman bullshit the Repubs are so good at. Hillary won’t need Repubs in 2012.

Agree.

Matthew, I agree with your post completely. Throughout this primary, the people who have angered me the most are the ones who knew better but stood silently by and let the vicious attacks on Hillary occur. True character should rise above party lines and shouldn’t be determined by what will pay the highest political dividends.

With regards to Palin, I was really hoping that Hillary would take a leadership role and say “Enough is enough!!” This issue isn’t party-based, it’s about what’s right and wrong!!

Bill still has Secret Service protection, I believe. And as former First Lady, I’m sure she has more high level connections than BO.

Just wanted to mention something else I heard in the blogtalk (My Two Cents) discussion about the deaths of Bill Gwatney and Stephanie Tubbs Jones. MommaERadioRebels said she heard that there was a plan for delegates to walk out of the convention in protest and that both Gwatney and Jones were in the group planning to do this. They also said Gwatney was the person who officially entered Hillary’s name in the campaign.

She did not call Hillary a whiner. She said Hillary was attacked unfairly but “any perceived whine, whether fair or unfair does not bode well”

Politics an Obama be dammed, Obama is using Hillary as a door mat and it’s REALLY hard to watch. I understand why she can’t stand up for Palin, it is enough for me that she refuses to attack her. The sooner this election is over the better. The misogyny in her party is disgusting. This is just one of the many reasons why I’m an Indie.

Indie’s for McCain Palin 08

It is not her role. Palin has all the help she needs. It is not for Clinton to do this. She is a Dem and she will do what she can for the party and for her future in it.

This is the post I most agree with.

Yes.

Not if they don’t want to commit policital suicide.

ARe you actually a Hillary Supporter?

No wonder she ultimately had the nomination stolen from under her…some of her stategists were as niave as some of you (even though i love you all) sound right now calling for her to stand up.

What?

You want to watch the Democrats and all the AA voters calling for her to be burned at the stake for going against the messiah?

Just be patient. Hillary CLEARLY is MUCH smarter than you or I.

I meant mystic4hillpuma is the post I agree with.

STOP attacking Matthew please otherwise you are just a mirror image of the Obama supporters where there can be no questioning and no dissenting opinions.

KNOCK IT OFF!

As well they should. The idea that these extremist scumbags can cross the border into Afghanistan, attack and kill our soldiers, then high-tail it back across some imaginary line on a map and sleep easy at night is pure bullshit.

The concept of “soverignty” implies responsibilities on the part of the supposedly “soverign” nation. If the government of Pakistan is either unable or unwilling to police its side of the border, then the US is 100% justified in launching attacks against terrorists on Pakistani soil. If the Pakistanis don’t like it, too fucking bad.

If Mexican drug dealers were launching cross-border raids into Arizona, California, and Texas and the government of Mexico was either unable or unwilling to do anything to stop them, what would you want the US Army to do?

Yeah, as if Palin and the rest of the GOP women were defending Hillary when she was the victim of the worse gender-baiting, race-baiting and character assassination in the history of the presidential contests.

Indeed, they all piled-on never missing a chance to deliver a vicious cheap shot against Hillary.

The GOP and the corporate media barely said a bad thing about Obama until the Jeremiah Wright story broke. The late time of the Wright story is in and of itself quite suspect.

I distinctly recall both the GOP and the corporate media focusing all their venom on Hillary and Edwards, while both were still in the race.

Obama, or Mr. October suprise, should be “vetted” soon.

McCain launches fall campaign as Obama embraces Iraq “surge”

By Patrick Martin
6 September 2008

The events of Thursday, September 4 demonstrate the two overriding political facts of the 2008 US presidential election campaign: a Republican Party in deep political crisis and widely hated for its program of social reaction and war, and a Democratic Party that represents no alternative whatsoever, galloping to the right.

Senator John McCain gave an acceptance speech on the final night of the Republican National Convention. The 72-year-old candidate, a 26-year veteran of Congress, postured absurdly as the proponent of change, seeking to run as far away as possible from his own party and the Bush administration whose major policies he has supported for the past eight years.

Only a few hours earlier, Democrat Barack Obama, in an interview on Fox television, waved the white flag on what had once been the principal issue in his campaign, the war in Iraq. He told right-wing talk show host Bill O’Reilly that the escalation of US military aggression in Iraq, dubbed the “surge” by Bush and McCain, had “succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.” He went on to threaten military action against Iran as well.

The myth of the “maverick”

The focus of McCain’s speech was his persona as a supposed “maverick” in American politics, an opponent of corruption and “business-as-usual” politics in Washington. The goal of this contrived and false presentation was to distance himself from the Bush administration. McCain spoke for 30 minutes, but never named the president of his own party or took responsibility for the policies of his administration.

Instead, he claimed for himself the status of a tribune of popular anger against official Washington, declaring, “And let me just offer an advance warning to the old, big-spending, do-nothing, me-first, country-second crowd: Change is coming.”

Both liberal and conservative media representatives noted the preposterous character of this political masquerade. The New York Times wrote, “As Senator John McCain accepted the Republican nomination for president, he and his supporters sounded the call of insurgents seeking to topple the establishment, even though their party heads the establishment.”

Writing in the Washington Post, neo-conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer commented, “The problem is the inherent oddity of the incumbent party running on change. Here were Republicans—the party that controlled the White House for eight years and both houses of Congress for five—wildly cheering the promise to take on Washington. I don’t mean to be impolite, but who’s controlled Washington this decade?”

McCain made an extraordinary admission in the early part of his speech—in a passage greeted with stony silence by the Republican convention delegates. “We lost the trust of the American people when some Republicans gave in to the temptations of corruption,” he said.

He did not, of course, acknowledge that it was the launching of a criminal war of aggression in Iraq, and a domestic policy of tax cuts for the wealthy and indifference to the poor—expressed so starkly after Hurricane Katrina—that has made Bush the most unpopular president in recent history. Instead, the Republican candidate claimed that it was the failure of the Republican Party to enact sufficiently right-wing policies on cutting government spending that cost it public support.

McCain’s remarks revealed the political crisis of the Republican Party, which faces a heavy defeat in the congressional elections, both in the House and Senate, and is trailing in the presidential polls, both in the national popular vote and, more significantly, in the state-by-state polls that give Obama a sizeable lead in electoral votes.

Campaign officials have admitted privately that it was his deteriorating position in internal state-by-state polling that triggered McCain’s gamble on the selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. McCain abandoned his preferred election strategy of picking Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman or former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge as a running mate and seeking to make inroads in the northeast and industrial Midwest, in favor of mobilizing the Christian fundamentalist base of the party through the nomination of Palin, a political cipher but a fervent opponent of abortion rights.

The myth of Vietnam

Both McCain’s acceptance speech and several of the other major speeches at the convention—by former senator Fred Thompson, former New York City mayor Rudolph Giuliani, and Palin herself—suggested that his principal qualification for the presidency was his military record during the Vietnam War, and especially his six years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

The constant invocation of McCain’s POW status gave a militaristic character to the entire Republican convention, whose theme appeared to be that only a former soldier could be entrusted with the office of commander-in-chief. Palin’s speech was typical in that respect, as she sneered at her Democratic opponents for their posturing as “fighters” for working people, declaring, “There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you, in places where winning means survival and defeat means death, and that man is John McCain.”

The depiction of McCain as a man who “fought for freedom” has gone unchallenged in the corporate-controlled media, but it is profoundly and utterly false. The war in Vietnam was not a war for the freedom of the American people; it was a war against the freedom of the Vietnamese people, an attempt by the most powerful imperialist power to enslave or destroy the people of an oppressed former colonial country.

When John McCain arrived at his Navy squadron in 1967, the Vietnamese people were in their 22nd year of a war which began with the uprising against French colonialism in 1945, continued until the historic victory at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 which shattered the French army, paused for seven years while the French withdrew and were replaced in the southern half of the country by the American-backed puppet regime of Ngo Dinh Diem, and then raged with increasing fury from 1961 until the final victory of the Vietnamese in 1975.

At no time in this epic 30-year struggle was the freedom of the American people ever at stake, except insofar as successive US presidents, Lyndon Johnson and then Richard Nixon, sought to suppress the freedom of the American people to oppose the increasingly unpopular war. It was the exposure of these antidemocratic conspiracies, following the Watergate break-in, that ultimately compelled Nixon to resign as president in August 1974.

This history is a closed book as far as both of the big business parties, Democrats as well as Republicans, are concerned. The media obediently echoes the portrayal of McCain as a war hero and, by implication, the war itself as a noble enterprise. In fact, however, the war in Vietnam was a crime of world-historic dimensions, one that in some respects approaches the atrocities committed by the Nazis in World War II.

More American bombs were dropped on that tiny country than the entire bomb tonnage dropped by all combatants in World War II, including the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some 3 million Vietnamese died, and countless more were maimed, tortured, raped or poisoned by chemical weapons like Agent Orange (dioxin) and sarin nerve gas. The cities of North Vietnam were subjected to relentless aerial bombardment against which the population had no defenses.

Those who organized and directed the onslaught on the Vietnamese people were, if the term has any meaning, war criminals. Among those was McCain’s father, Admiral John S. McCain, who was head of the Pentagon’s Pacific Command and had command responsibility for the saturation bombing of North Vietnam. If there had been a Nuremberg-style tribunal after the Vietnam War, McCain’s father would have had a place in dock alongside Johnson, Nixon, McNamara, Westmoreland and other architects of the mass killings.

McCain’s personal role was more modest—he merely delivered the bombs that killed thousands, if not tens of thousands, of innocent Vietnamese. His imprisonment as a POW, however harrowing, was no longer and no more brutal than the treatment meted out by US torturers at Bagram, Guantanamo and the secret CIA prisons, for the most part to men who have done far less than McCain to slaughter other human beings.

Obama on his knees

The most important factor propping up both the Bush administration and the Republican presidential campaign is the complicity and cowardice of the Democratic Party. McCain’s claim to be leading an insurgency against the government of his own party is undoubtedly preposterous, but he is able to adopt this posture with at least a fig leaf of credibility because the Democratic Party does not fulfill the role of an “opposition” party in any serious sense.

Obama’s performance Thursday on Fox television’s “The O’Reilly Factor” was a case in point. After winning the Democratic nomination in large measure because of his purported opposition to the war in Iraq, Obama has sought repeatedly to demonstrate to the US political establishment that he can be a credible commander in chief for American imperialism.

He told O’Reilly that he “absolutely” believed that the United States was engaged in a worldwide war against terrorism, including not only Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but “a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America who have a distorted ideology.”

Obama described Iran as a “major threat,” and said it would be “unacceptable” to an Obama administration for Iran to possess nuclear weapons. “It would be a game-changer,” he said, adding, “I would never take a military option off the table.” He called for a more aggressive military posture towards Pakistan, the day after a major US military strike within that country.

But his starkest reversal came on Iraq, as O’Reilly pressed him to admit that the Bush administration’s troop “surge,” the escalation of the war by the addition of some 30,000 US combat troops, had been a success. Obama has sought to dance around the issue for months, but he finally embraced the surge emphatically on Thursday.

“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” he said, adding, “It’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.” This demonstrates not only Obama’s cringing submission to the pressure of the right wing, but a staggering degree of political blindness. Like Bush, Cheney, McCain and the rest of official Washington, Obama truly believes that US imperialism can, by military force alone, impose its will on the world. His only disagreement is with the Bush administration’s obsessive focus on Iraq, which Obama and many other spokesmen for the military and foreign policy establishment believe has undermined US interests in other parts of the globe.

The Democratic Party is a capitalist party that defends the same social interests as the Republicans—the massive fortunes of the superrich financial aristocracy which is the real ruling force in American society. The Democrats play a specific role in the political division of labor: while the Republicans consistently and unabashedly uphold the rights of the wealthy, the Democrats pretend to represent working people, while ensuring that there is no challenge from below to the profit system.

This division of labor explains the half-hearted and spineless performance of the Democrats in the current presidential campaign. Obama, Biden & Co. are at pains to demonstrate that they will make no appeal to mass discontent that goes beyond what is acceptable to the ruling elite. The Democrats offer their services to the financial oligarchy to win at least a certain degree of mass support for the reactionary program that both parties fundamentally share.

How was the hit piece that times run against McCain true? They were mocked because the new york times didn’t provide any sources to back their claims up. bias bias bias

So silve, why didn’t any woman in either party, except Geraldine, stand up for Hillary, who got dragged for months, without a beep from women an either party, including Palin.

I guess everything now is going to blamed on the Clintons, while we are at it, lets blame the hurricanes on them too.

It’s about women, not Republican or Democrat and that’s why Hillary should be standing against it!

Not to get too academic or hair-splitting, but I don’t agree with that statement at all and I AM a woman. To suggest that women can’t have civil disagreement about issues is the same as saying Afr Amers can’t. I think there is too much romanticizing of Sarah Palin on this site, adoration that frankly she is not worthy of. It is becoming less Pro-Hillary and more Pro-Sarah. I’m not trying to start a cat fight, I just don’t get it.

Thank you.

Hillary ’12!

BO’s approach to foreign policy is, at best, a Jimmy Carter approach, which is not something anyone wants repeated.

He looks sick.

With all due respect, you probably wouldn’t last long as a politician!

Hillary is doing for Obama and the party, what she said she would do, no matter who won.

And may I say the sexism that Palin is experiencing is nowhere near, the sexism Hillary experienced. And yet I didn’t hear Sarah or any GOP woman complaining.

^Troll?

Is this the New Axelfraud Talking point?

Rile up the woman who support hillary against the woman who support palin now?

Its brilliant and shitty at the same time.

I will be making T-Shirts for anyone who needs one:

HILLARY IS NOT RUNNING ANY MORE!
LEAVE HER THE FUCK OUT OF IT!

So place your orders.

Middle East Peace agreement with Egypt and Israel to his credit, but the rest of it sucked.

Well, let’s ask McCain then why in 2000, he didn’t walk away from the Republican party after Bush smeared him?

There is no way any independent candidate can win in the presidential elections.

I completely agree!
Like I wrote earlier if we turn our back on HRC, BO wins.

I agree! And it’s not as though Sarah Palin defended Hillary during the height of the madness. Why does she deserve Hillary’s support now? I think those who say Obama will win if Hillary voters stay home are being a bit alarmist. This coutry is still very right of center and there is NO way one of the most liberal members of the Senate will be elected POTUS. No way.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal’s 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Between Obama and Hillary, the corporate media supported Obama. But between Obama and McCain, they are clearly supporting McCain. The tell-tale signs are there if you can read them. Learn to read them, my friend. It would definitely help.

you can’t be serious about this statement. Unless you are talking about the Wall Street Journal and Investor’s Business Daily.

I complete agree with Thinker.

Think of what John McCain had to do for the last 8 years. Do you remember that picture of him hugging Bush? You are not thinking like a politician. You don’t know what is going on behind the scenes, but things don’t get done with open declarations of war.

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Someone to really check out.

http://hillblogger3.blogspot.com/

Now it looks like a “Hill” blog but it’s not. This person is all over the web posting crap about Sarah and more Kool-Aid fueled idiocies about Obama. She’s working very hard!

Someone needs to put her in her place. Unfortunately I don’t have a Blogger account and she’s made commenting difficult.

suck my Obama!

Wow, thank you for your comment. I need to reread it. Quick thoughts…

I’ve never been a go along to get along type person. Anyone who’s read my comments and posts on TPM on behalf of Clinton, for example, we realize that. I haven’t much time or respect for anyone who is a go along to get along type. These are not leaders.

If Clinton completely sits out the remainder of the election, fine, I absolutely respect that and think it may be her best course. But, should she go out and campaign for Obama and not say anything about all of the hate, then no, I have a big problem with that. Obama winning or losing will not matter because it is Clinton who will lose. And this has nothing to do with Palin, this is a matter of credibility in the Democratic Party.

I’m sorry to say this but how can you trust anyone who won’t stand on their principles?

The Obots will most certainly blame Hillary when Obummer goes down

Yes, he will never take credit for anything negative. He will blame everybody but himself. Still, there is a risk in overtly helping Obama further at this point. Why get yourself associated with a losing cause? Hillary did way more for Obama and the party than would have been done for her in return. I remember reading where Michelle said she didn’t know if she could vote for Hillary. Still, the above posters are right, Gov. Palin can more than hold her own with the “goon squad”. But, Hillary should let him fall alone from this point forward. Just give him moral support and “atta boy’s” in private… and let scheduling conflicts take care of the rest of it.

Jeremiah,

You’re right on target! Hillary must not step in and defend Palin, that’s all it would take for obama and his thugs to BLAME her for his loss. As we all know, obama takes no responsibility for anything and thinks he is entitled to everything.

Our job is first and foremost is to make certain obama is defeated. It’s the only way we can ensure Hillary runs again in 2012.

Like him or not, McCain made a brilliant move choosing Palen. By doing so, he has effectively put the dems on the defense and, in the process, has put a huge spotlight on just how out of control sexism really is and now, irony of all ironies, we see the republicans defending their female candidate, thus fanning the flame that has pissed off so many women in the democratic party.

In the end, this will make it even easier for Hillary to run in 2012 and it will be a lot easier than it would have been, had Palen not come into the picture.

Lastly, when I was in Denver with the PUMApac group, they had printed up some T-shirts that pretty much says it all:

“Thank you, Hillary, We’ll Take it From Here”.

I want one of those shirts, and a baseball cap, too!

A true democratic party will never spew such hates to any human on earth but it’s very common in Islamic nations.

All this just shows that it’s a precursor of Islamic politics being utilized in this great nation of ours and to the Islamic cults, it’s their way of life!

Once the Islamic cults found its roots in the USA, the Islamic cults will go for the extremes.

We are just having a taste of this Islamic hates by the evil nutroots gangs!

The Islamic cults are ruthless, merciless and they don’t practice what they preached.

They are of the lowest life, they are not human beings but devils!

Do not let the sanctimonious devils con you! They will promise all the American voters with all kinds of glamorous lifestyles but will never fulfill them when elected!

Vote them out and send them back to the Sahara Deserts- to where they belong!

Vote McCain/Paling ticket to preserve the true American Spirit!

Well said!

Hillary ’12!

Ok I am not going to post in this thread anymore.

It doesnt deserve Comments.

3:00 am Moment?

This is NoQuarter’s 3:00 am moment.

Are they really Hillary supporters? or are they going to let Hillary get used as a pawn in an election she has kicked out of.

Let barry stand of fall on his own merits.

Keywords. Secret sisterhood. As long as Hillary doesn’t openly attack Sarah, the point will be taken. Politics is not business. Politics is just as much about what is NOT said as what is said.

Matthew:

I understand where you’re coming from, but I think it misses a few points.

Sarah Palin has the entire Republican Party, minus a few little dumbasses, supporting her.

Hillary stood alone. The Democratic Party leaders collective heads are stuck up their asses and haven’t seen daylight since Obama’s Express ordered them there.

If I was Hillary, I would stay under the radar and do exactly what she’s doing. She’s politically savvy enough to understand attacking Palin puts her in the same category as those attacking her.

Also, she doesn’t harm her standing with the Democratic Party nor her friendship with John McCain.

In the end, a McCain/Palin administration would be more likely to work with Senator Clinton than Senator Obama.

In yet another unintended consequence, Senator Obama has made Hillary Clinton a sympathetic figure to a growing number of Republicans. Job well done, Obama.

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Here are some excerpts from her site.

“Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”

“Palin may well be Dick Cheney’s reincarnate.”

“Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical” swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as “Arctic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative [DELETED],” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians interviewed for this article.”

“I don’t think we’ll hear Sarah Palin confirm or deny that she called Obama a “[DELETED]“; Time reports that according to Nicole Wallace of the McCain campaign, the American people don’t care whether Sarah Palin can answer specific questions about foreign and domestic policy”

Where does she get this [DELETED] from? Do you see what vitriol is going on out there? This maniac must be stopped!

She will have to go out some for him, but has already warned she’s too busy this fall to do much. I see it as her going through the motions. Then there is also the tactic of damning with faint praise, which I think she displayed pretty well in her speech at the convention!

If I’m not mistaken, when given an opportunity to defend Clinton against the misogyny hurled at her during the primaries, Palin’s comment was something to the effect that women who whined about sexism hurt the cause of all women. That’s a paraphrase of her comment, but very close to what she said, as I recall.

Hillary has called for an end to sexism, racism, and every other “ism” on the planet. Her stand has been made clear. I fail to see what responding to the sexism against Palin would accomplish. The Dems who are smearing Palin are the very ones who refused to call for an end to the misogyny against Clinton. As for the ignorant media clowns who are acting like stone age, sexist, nutjobs, they would only find a way to twist Hillary’s words and totally use it against her, if she spoke out. Plus, they’re sure as hell not going to listen to her. They were the right hand of the DNC and Obama campaign as these low-lifes tried to destroy her.

I think Hillary’s done more than enough.

Yah one last comment before i leave this taylor marsh of a thread.

Its not the Republican partys job to stop Leftist Media and leftist liberals from attacking one of the Cemocratic Candidates.

Its the Democratic party’s job.

Don’t whine about it now because you just got schooled as to how a party deends its woman when they are slandered.

You punks should take a lesson on how to treat your female candidates from the Republicans.

(you punks is not the posters but the party)

Now i am really leaving this thread before i puke in my mouth.

Clinton didn’t even give Obambi a real thumbs up at the Convention — and was criticized for not doing so. If she was going to make a big case for him, that was the time.

Matthew, I don’t know if you happened to see Charles Krauthammer’s assessment of her speech but he basically said that Hillary’s message was ‘he’s a Dem, I’m a Dem, vote for him because he’s a Dem’ — there was NOTHING in there about his character, his fitness to lead, her trust in him — nothing. Perfect.

I can promise you — that was no accident. Every word in that speech was great and spot on. She did the very minimum of what she had to do. I trust that she is right on target.

Her going to FL for example, was planned for a while — she made it clear she is going to help down ticket Dems.

She is, as someone pointed out earlier, walking a tightrope and has live to fight another day.

You know she doesn’t want him to win and will give the most tepid assistance possible.

Thanks.

I think your extremist views and conspiracy theories are misplaced.

Clinton endured the hate from within the party. This wasn’t the Republican’s battle, even though many did comment. They are campaigning for president and it was just fine to let the Democrats use hate as a instrument of politics.

But once the campaign was set, McCain was quick to shove Obama’s racist card down his throat. We haven’t seen narry a mention of race since.

Palin and the Republicans will do fine handling the Democrats misogynism. The question is whether Clinton speaks up or sits out the election. Win or lose, should she support Obama without saying anything, then, regardless of her history, she becomes part of the problem.

Actually, I don’t think the AA hatred of the Clintons is what everyone thinks it is. I was in a major city market over the weekend and several black vendors were selling Obama merch, and many of the buttons and shirts had pictures of Obama AND Hillary, side by side. I gently broached the topic with many of them, and honestly, they all seemed to have moved on past the primary and had nothing but praise for Hillary. Especially the women! So many people call Bill the first black president, but what I think people forget, is that Hillary was the first black First Lady. That is, of course, if we’re going to judge based on generalizations about black women, i.e., that they are strong and outspoke and have had to put up with a lot of shit! I think the supposed AA hatred for the Clintons is another media manufactured fantasy. Of course there are exceptions, but remember, there are some whites who hate Obama ONLY because he is black. The haters will always be with us.

This shit is sooo over the top. This site probably originated with one of the Kos people.

BTW, isn’t Todd Palin a “f***ing Eskimo”?

Exactly.

Mexico doesn’t have nuclear weapons. Besides, Musharraf is out soon, right?

It is becoming less Pro-Hillary and more Pro-Sarah. I’m not trying to start a cat fight, I just don’t get it.

Many of us were voting for McCain in protest, I can only speak for myself but Sarah gives me hope that we can beat Obama. And the truth is I’m really starting to like McCain & Sarah.

I want her to continue to fight — this time against sexism and not for party affiliation. It is more difficult for her to fight sexism directed at her because others just label her as a whiner. If she denounces sexism across party lines she will gain a lot of respect from people regardless of party.

Yea, Hillary doesn’t owe Palin any help. She fought her fight and the media laughed at her when her supporters cried sexism. Now that the repubs are tasting the media’s bitter fruit, they’ve finally discovered what we were talking about for the past year. I’m sure Palin has a VERY different perspective on Hillary’s run now than she did ten days ago.

Besides, whither obama, Matt? If that negro condones sexism, then to hell with him and his racist supporters!

I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain offered her a Cabinet post. Whether she would take it or not remains to be seen – but my guess is that might be in the offing.

I would think yes, McCain would be wise to do this… If I were him, I would put her in a position to reform healthcare. A healthcare czar. She already has done much of the work in learning how this busted system works… or rather how it doesn’t work. Once that succeeds. He might ought to offer her the next available supreme court seat. She would do well there, as a bonus she wouldn’t run against Palin. Win-Win. We all would win. Everybody wins except “The One”.

Mr Weaver,
horseshoes and lawn darts

Both are fun though.

Although, I don’t believe Senator Clinton will run in 2012, her silence is her desire not to stick her nose under this tent. She knows McCain was the ONLY one to forcefully speak out against the treatment she received. In those moments, I’m sure she knows.

Gov. Palin is no lightweight and has thrown some sharp elbows in her career. If anything, I would think what ever Senator Clinton thinks of Gov. Palin, she knows on a very personal level “what doesn’t kill ya makes ya stronger” and Palin needs to know what that is all about on a national level and quickly.

This gambit will play out with the nation being reminded yet again of how poorly we treat other humans; and for what?

Hillary’s silence, when it comes to defending an opponents gender is not necessary, but she does deeply respect Sen McCain…Obama not at all.

Yes, Senator Clinton has said that she will campaign on the issues and John McCain. Why? Because. Gov Palin is not the target and even Gov. Palin would tell you this. BO is.

Let it all hang out in all its ugly glory and serve as a reminder that we as humans, can do better than this.

I do agree with your principled view that there are very very few adults minding the store and fewer of those wish to or can stop this crap.

Thanks for the article. Ya got Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright going so I respect that and you both.

Jeremiah, I replied to you way up in the thread. If you’re not already gone, I’d like to know what you think of my response.

I honestly do not see how she could have prevented it. Who was backing her up?

LJ, will you pass along a message to Hillary for me.
When Obama calls her and ask her to go on the campaign trail to destroy Sarah, tell Hillary to tell Barack to “go fuck yourself”. Have her to tell Barack that he had her for free but he chose to skip over her for JB. Beg Hillary to say “Fuck you and the camel you rode in on. Motherfucker.”
Thanks LJ. I owe you one.

I feel the same way Ana.

Where were all of the GOP women speaking out in support of Hillary when she was being attacked?

Where were all the the GOP women press conferences for Hillary?

Where was Palin when Hillary was the victim of misogyny?

As a matter of fact, Palin said that speaking out against sexism is a “disservice.” (I’m still voting for McCain/Palin, but I’m doing so with my eyes wide open, and I want Obama ousted.)

Hillary released a statement and that is enough!

“More and more, I am beginning to think people here are not Hillary supporters, very disappointing.”

That seems to be the new trend around here, and I’m not liking it at all. I found my way here because I was ganged up on other sites for supporting Hillary, this site was a safe haven, and now, …I don’t know anymore.

C’mon … Hillary has dedicated herself to 40 years of serving Americans and the Democratic Party. The vile DNC, according to what I’ve read, will be making Hillary’s next Senate run a difficult one. She’s got her work cut out for her, and she’s already been screwed by her own party. I usually agree with the opinions expressed in the articles here, but not this one.

Sorry Hillary, but Country First … Obama is not qualified AT ALL …

McCain/Palin this time around.

Thank you for defending Hillary so well. I could not have said this better.

HILLARY ’12!!!

We need to stop expecting that HRC is going to fight all our fights?

When are we going to fight for her for a change?

ROTFLMAO!! This is hilarious.

Do you believe Obama has enough balls to tell Hillary to attack Sarah on his behalf?

Look what Sarah did to him and he’s all flustered.

I doubt Barack has the balls or “know how” to muster such a request of Hillary.

Funny, funny, funny!

its the ultimatul thing.

I like Palin ok, but that’s really not a huge statement against sexism hurled at Hillary. It was almost a non-statement, actually.

It’s also was probably the politically safe thing for Palin to do. Hillary needs to respond similarly.

And it is also not her fault that she was treated so badly. Now to some she not only got trashed, but it seems they think it is her fault for not stopping it.

Do we really need this here? Why not just a link if you want to spam the thread? Anyway, why not a link to show the source?

Hill shouldn’t do shit for Obama. Hill needs to retire her debt and for that I can condone a bit of complicity but after that if she does anything for that sack of shit she’s a dupe.

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Dude, Hillary needs to appear as a loyal Democrat to take back the party from the Obamabots. Once Obama loses while Hillary’s credibility in the Democratic Party remains intact, Hillary is so going to take back the party.

Trust Hillary and have faith in what she does.

HILLARY ’12!!!

what do you do?

Shoot the hostage.

StrawberrybitesBarky –

That is the point to be remembered.

The most heartbreaking moment of 2004 was when McCain hugged Bush. And I am a Democrat.

But he did it and lived to fight another day. Now he will likely take the White House and perhaps even do some percentage of the reform he is campaigning about.

After what they did to him in 2000? How could he do it? He did — he’s still standing. Bigger and better than ever.

This is a blood sport.

I do not think she wants to be an Independent. She is Hillary Clinton, a very subtle, careful and yes, cautious politician. That’s her and thats they way she is going to play it.

I wish it were true. Everybody went apeshit over Sarah’s speech as Susan was able to gather data on. But perhaps we need a bit longer to see.

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I don’t see Clinton wading in as standing up for Palin but an opportunity to denounce sexism wherever it exists. If the only time she complains is when sexism is directed at her or just someone in her party then her complaint carries little weight.

That looks like an attempt to smear Hillary like her supporters are all for this crap.

Classic Axelrod. And Dean is standing across the room applauding, probably.

I thought it was only the far right weirdos who suffered from near terminal Clinton Derangement Syndrome. I bet it’s a surprise to Hillary that some many dems are just as bad.

I do look forward to seeing Hillary elected to Senate Leader for her party. If Obama’s scummy tactics keep up it could force her into Minority Leader possibly. Either way she and McCain can work together and drive extremists on the right and left completely nuts.

Let them leave the democrat and republican parties and form their own lunatic asylum group.

who are you talking to Nopers?

One of the worst comments, EVAH.

Yes, Hillary will be our President. It’s not a question of if, just when.

There is more dirt going on behind the scenes than anyone can imagine. Let’s leave it at that.

No he does not, none of you can say what Clinton is going to do or say when she gets to Fl to push Obama on the voters, she may very well go after Palin.

That message is not Hillary saying that to Obama it is something put out there but maybe someone from her camp we will all have to wait and see what line she takes.

Why is she attacking Mc Cain now when she did now want to do it before? SHe already said Obama cannot lead so what is she going to say now in his defense, Hillary better be very careful what roads she takes because honestly a lot of us will be waiting and watching.

His hair is really, really getting white, too.

Please take your spam elsewhere.

Yo, I maxed out too and I don’t want her to say a thing. Didn’t you see Palin say that she thought that Hillary was whining about sexism? Nope, she needs to stay dignified and let the Repugs do their own defending. I thought we were Hillary supporters here?

DON’T YOU THINK THAT THE MCCAIN/PALIN AND HILLARY POLICIES LOOK ALIKE on some very sensitive issues? that is another reason for clinton democrats to reconsider the votes simply for MCCAIN/PALIN IN NOVEMBER.LIKE JOE LIEBERMAN,ALWAYS THINK WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY RATHER THAN WHAT IS GOOD FOR A POLITICAL PARTY.

COUNTRY FIRST,POLITICAL PARTY LAST

SOLID post solidsista.

(yeah, I know, that was kinda lame, lol)

Look the reality is that Sarah Palin thought Hillary was whining when she merely expressed her supporters disdain for the sexist behavior exhibited towards her ad nauseam. Sarah is fully capable of lobbing some volleys back to the disgusting creeps going after her. I personally am so repulsed by the slas and burn process Obama set in motion that no one could convince me to vote for him. He is as transparently content free as any candidate I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. Now if Hillary were to conduct herself as McCaskill does towards Palin that would be one thing . And I do know McCaskill because in Missouri she is known as a craven opportunist. Hillary has the right to put forth the democratic principles she believes in to audiences favorable to her in Florida or elsewhere. While Hillary is being a bit coy about conservative women not liking her plenty of moderate republican and independent women do like her.Her base is not just generic blue collar voters. Not by a long shot. In any event Hillary & Bill know very well who is most qualified in the present field. She wants a democratic agenda. I don’t believe for a second that she thinks Obama has the readiness or temperament to be president. If he does win she’ll proceed to roll her sleeves up to work for UHC. If he loses she’ll work with McCain and maybe, with two old pros doing what they do ,something may get accomplished.

Yes. Stuff not said. Things going on on a different level.

Nope, that’s a very bad idea.

If McCain is such a maverick, why didn’t he leave the Republican party when Bush smeared him in 2000? Why didn’t McCain say, “Damn the Republican party and Damn Bush. Damn Bush for smearing me?”

You are asking Hillary to do what McCain does dare to do politically.

I think she did that in June when he begged her to take the veep spot.

However, I think Matthews’ post is thoroughly bad.

Hillary ’12!!!

not sure where you replied and what you are asking?

Repost it here on this message with context and i will reply.

Ana, you are right. Hardly ANYONE stood up for Hillary. And that’s what made me so sad during this election. There were so many people I once respected, (politicians, celebrities, etc.) and just a mere handful stood up for her!! Hillary is probably one of the greatest and most caring politicians I’ve ever seen in my lifetime, and it makes me feel so sad what was done to her. I really hate seeing the media spew their venom out on any woman like that—no matter what party she belongs to.

Doing everything to deliver a crushing defeat to Obama and Axelrod and Dean this year is fighting for Hillary, the return of a sane democrat party (that would not have shunned Joe Lieberman), and for the country.

Clinton has no obligation to defend Obama based on the abuse she took from him and her followers. I feel the reason Obama is the nominee is because Sharpton threatened to demonstrate if Obama did not get the nomination. If this threat did not occur then the SDs would have overwhelmingly supported Clinton over Obama with all of his baggage falling out of the closet.

Obama is going to implode — either by losing this election or by the fiasco he causes as president.

Same here. I don’t like the trajectory that No Quarter is going on. Is it going to be a Repug site?

Among other things, what’s absurd about this suggestion is that your concern over what Hillary has chosen to do should suddenly crop up over this issue at this time.

Look, the moment when people most importantly had to give Hillary some slack, and understand, if they were going to, that she must do something for her own political viability that was rather repugnant to them, it was when she expressed full throated support of Obama after he was in effect anointed the winner. Really, if one can swallow that, when the Obama campaign and side engaged in so much misogyny and race baiting, it’s impossible not to see that she must protect her political viability here too, and not be too open and forceful in opposing how Palin has been treated.

Basically, this post is demanding that Hillary commit political suicide to hold up a principle that the poster asserts is of absolutely overriding importance.

I don’t think there are many Hillary supporters who hold this radical and intransigent view about what politicians should do, and what Hillary must do. If one held politicians to such a standard, one might as well give up on supporting any politician, because they will have to commit political suicide on a daily basis to satisfy one’s intransigent demand for adherence to one’s selected principles. And politicians who commit political suicide are politicians no longer.

VERY good point Lochos.

No one attacked McCain for sticking with the GOP after Bush smeared him.

The Dem party is infected, and it will take Hillary & Bill to clean it.

since when is Clinton supposed to combat all the sexism in the country?

she’s dealt with misogyny and sexism from the right and the left –

standing up against the sexism coming from the liberal media and nutroots would be a double standard unless she stood up to the right – because so much of the defamation of Hillary came from the right wing for the past 2 decades…

what is she supposed to do? c’mon… let Obama stand up to it…it is not about her right now.

KUDOS!!!

Matthew Weaver, this post of yours has been really dumb.

HILLARY ’12!!!

Yeah I know. But she’s posting this trash on blogs at the Times, the Guardian, I dunno where else I’ve seen her. On those newspaper blogs she calls herself “3rd Column”. She really is trying to spread the shit.

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I agree with you, Matthew. I wish Hillary would take a very vocal and firm stand against the hate and sexism that is being thrown at the Palin family, especially Sarah. I’ve never been a fan of political expediency. That’s why I can’t stand Obama.

Hillary is in a unique position to speak out about what has been going on since Palin was announced as the VP choice. I see this as a golden opportunity for her to show real leadership–to put common decency over politics. Too many people expect her to act in a self-serving manner. That has always been the rap against both of the Clintons, and Hillary’s silence just reinforces their already raging cases of CDS.

Hillary doesn’t owe the Democratic Party anything at this point anyway. Gosh, I wish so much she would do the right thing here. And coming to the Palins’ defense IS the right thing to do.

Thanks, Matthew, for your honesty. You surely knew that you would get ripped for making this post at NQ. As Lou Grant once said, you’ve got spunk!

I respect Hillary and will support in her senate campaign and so forth , but c ann t trust O, for anything, or the DNC, if they did not think much of Puma then why in the Heck call out Hillary to save you now, Hillary owes no one , I willnot even watch her campaign for him, because i do not honestly believe, she supports his dirty Chicago Politics, I suppose they can bully others but they cannot bully our vote, continue to speak out and continue to post all those alarming blogs and the demeaning comments to Fox, anyone who will give a fair reporting to the issues, along with the information that we now know to be true concerning O and his racist radical dirty friends, and the issue of the lawsuit I hope everyone has posted it or emailed it to Fox, have them inquire and check into it, continue talking about the deceit and the demeaning comments they continue to post about Hillary, suck up to her now because now your worried, she cannot save you now, remember you did not need us and you surely did not need hillary. Did everyone hear that the protesters at the Republican convention, were done by code pink who the leader supports O, Im telling you the dirty chicago machine had something to do with the riots of the anti war groups, probaley lead by Ayres himself, iI would not put it past them at all, we all know very well the tactics they use, the O supporters, and now they use Hillarys issues and platform to say lets join together, its what Hill asks, right, be very scared, when they start praising Hill and her work , if you cound not stand up for hill against the media sexism, then dont bother speaking to us for her, I own my vote, remember a silent vote for O is a write in vote for Hill, stay home vote, a fall in line vote, and a third party vote, lets defeat O and lets make sure he does not get into the white house, and as for Oprah, be unfair, as if we wanted Palin on Oprah right, support O and sexism and woman will tune you out.
Shes lost credibility from me I do not even watch so I will not miss her.
I have to applaud the members here and the ones reading comments, the speading gathering of making our voices heard, cancel subscriptions to US, the comments posted by bloggers, the information that we have unearth, and the will to stop sexism, and boycotting advertisemetns that support this, is the real show of unity, continue, with a vengence and spread the word, lets help Hillary get that senate leadership , if possible, lets show the real unity in fighting for what is right, and lets regain the morals of our party, fight to defeat dirty politics, replace those Pelosi, Reed, Kerry, Dean ,Brazile, Waxman, for not doing for the will of he people other than the Party, McCain is right, we need house cleaning up in Washington, because its not about the people its about what can you do for me attitude.
And it was smart to speak the truth that the republicans and the democrats have lost their way, and help spend that money for the debt, and also, its not only Bush fault but also everyone who failed to notice what was going on with the Housing, high electricity, the rise of food, and the oil, and the lack of concern to do anything other than turn a deaf ear to those very few that alarmed them and mummed their voices when they were asking for help and Hill was one of them, those are the ones who should continue doing the work of the people those who recognize what was going on , in America, because it was obvious that no one cared until Hill alarmed everyone when she was running, and now they pass her work as Os, not thank you I want a true leader who took a stand to alarm others, that is a true leader the will of the people will no longer be overlooked, we need leaders that will work both sides other than party to do what we need them to do. Obama stated that the Republicans left out the mention of the middle class and called no attention to what was occurring well O, Palin is middle class and she is one of us who know what we were going through, she is not part of your circle the rich and elite, no one cared about the less fortunate, middle class, elderly , single mothers,working class , only a selected few who payed attention to what was going on, Hill and McCain have their records of doing , Obama has a record of doing for himself, and the dirty political machine, good ole boys,and doing less for the voters he represents, until it was election time, one voice one vote Nobama McCain Palin 2008

It’s 2 a.m. for me here in NY. A lot of great comments and discussion. I plan on reading through it again in the morning.

It is clear that there is much disagreement on what Clinton should or should not do and how her decision will affect her future within the party and nationally as well. It is fantastic to see an informed, concerned, and respectable discussion on the matter.

Good night everyone,
Matthew

So true!

That’s why I get pissed off when purported “Hillary supporters” on this site start attacking Hillary. It is unbelievable.

Hillary ’12!!!

Please, stop the hate against Muslims and Islam. What is shameful about Obama is that he is hiding his Muslim past as a child because of political expediency, not because of the religion itself.

What rubbish, SJ. Clearly you have no political brains. Do you want to take back the Democratic party from Obama or not?

Use your brains, or evidently you do not have one.

McCain is not Hillary Clinton. McCain did not defend Hillary, and neither did the GOP women.

Stop asking Hillary to defend McCain or Palin.

Hillary ’12!

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I think he has a point. The point is basically that terrorists/muslims regard occidentals as “the enemy”, “the great satan”. As if we haven’t heard that before, as if there was no 911. I think that’s true. It’s about them seeing us in the West as “the enemy”, as something to be vanquished. It’s essentially tantamount to war. I think under the circumstances it’s not over the top to regard them through the same POV. Those who are out to destroy the west have no compunctions at all; they regard terrorist acts as their only way to “wage war” – what’s then so surprising people react as they do? Yes I think too it’s somewhat “over the top” but it’s not as radical as you make it out to be and certainly with the misogynistic things the Obama people post in here this is hardly extreme.

There’s nothing extremist about my views.

Fact: The NYT et al were all a part of the failed attempt to cover My Lai.

Fact: The NYT et al were all part of the failed attempt to cover up the U2 spy plane.

Fact: The NYT were all a part of the successful attempt cover up that 2000 civilians were bombed to death in the 1989 Panama invasion. See the “Panama Deception”. It won best Documentary at the Oscars. Go figure.

Fact: The NYT was part of the successful cover up of the overthrow of Guatemalan democracy by IKE in in 1954.

You obviously have very little knowledge of history.

To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.

Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary did not.

Hillary ’12!!!

In the end, a McCain/Palin administration would be more likely to work with Senator Clinton than Senator Obama.

Oh well put! Why couldn’t I see that before you mentioned it! Yes – very good! Thanks!

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Douchebag,

In the dictionary, under “misogyny”, it says “see GOP”. LOL.

John If Sarah does half for us what she has done for Alaska I will be happy. Now what has Obama done for Chicago?

Exactly. No way am I allowing Hillary to commit political suicide.

Hillary ’12!!!

Great, we have a repug infestation now.

You seem to want her to come out guns blazing and that just isn’t the way its done. I don’t think you should be so quick so blame her. She’s going to handle this in her own way. She knows what she is doing. She is a very, very smart person and she can see many more moves ahead than people without her experience even know exist. I’m not saying she has never made a mistake, but people can just not blame her for the way she was treated and then expect her to come denouncing that treatment. She’s be accused of a lot more than whining.

I realize that Clinton wants to be the party loyalist but is she not an American first?

Does she see the difference? She thinks so well of people she might not to this day realize what a crook Obama is. Although I think Bill will try to convince her.

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Thread’s too long

My thoughts were that she my have internal polling data showing a real problem for democrats running for senate and maybe even house seats, so she’s gotta get out there to campaign. In some of those appearances she’s going to have to support Obama or his lunatic followers will shoot her down if she does try to run in 2012.

It’s a very tough spot she’s in. On one side she has the example McCain set when he defended John Kerry in 2004. The problem for her in trying to follow that example is that the Obamabots are even more vindictive than the Rove creeps (maybe…I still see right wing folks saying they will never vote for McCain because he stuck up for Kerry).

I think her real long term problem is that if Dean stays in control of the dem party (which happens if Obama wins this year IMHO) she probably doesn’t have a shot in presidential politics anyway.

It’s a very tough spot. And if Chelsea has interest in politics as a career, it’s even tougher.

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If I were him, I would put her in a position to reform healthcare.

Well of course that would be ideal – a dream. But McCain pulled out the old baloney line at the RNC – about not letting bureaucrats getting between people and their doctors. Same old bullshit. Hill would have to really twist the thumbscrews on John for that to happen.

Healthcare is Hill’s Big Baby. She’s been carrying this one for sixteen years. Sixteen years. She doesn’t give up. What she went through back in 1993 – and she still doesn’t give up. That’s another definition of “integrity”.

Trust me, Republicans have Sarah Palin now, they are not going to vote for Hillary. Sympathetic, perhaps, but Hillary isn’t going to get their vote, unless Palin screws up so badly that even Republicans think it’s bad.

But Democrats will still support Hillary once she takes back the party intact.

you are so right, and like where was Hillary when people were saying Britney Spears was a bad mother!! where was she to defend Oprah when there were rumors of her being gay!! where the hell was Hillary!!!!

you are so right this is the most important moment of her entire life. fighting for us for years, campaining in every city, worrying about us and our families, dealing with embarrasment and getting up again with a smile on her face, coming back to be the first women to ever when a primary, work hard for every vote, put herself out there to be torn appart and in the end earn whatever respect she could…all of this was for one thing…KISS SARAH PALINS ASS.

who the hell does Hillary think she is!! she will lose all respect from me if she doesnt .

Oh, I think Obama’s arrogant and delusional enough to try to tell her to do it. I just am not sure he’s got any leverage to force her to do it.

Kathleen Sebelius is such a pathetic lapdog loser that she is probably anxious to attack Palin. Lots of folks in both parties have said amazingly nasty stuff about Hillary, but even they don’t call her pathetic.

Exactly. If Sarah Palin didn’t defend Hillary, why should Hillary defend Palin?

Matthew wrote: “Clinton endured the hate from within the party.”

Bullshit. Feminist were continuously screaming bloody murder since New Hampshire at not just Obama and this bots, but also at the media and the GOP.

Obama never would have succeeded at anything if the corporate media didn’t back him the whole the way. The Clintons get shit done… Because of this, they had to be eliminated. Obama was the trojan horse, an unwitting manchurian candidate of the corporate media and nothing else. Now they will turn on him and elect McCain.

Ask yourself this, genius: “Where the fuck was Palin and Ann Coulter when Hillary was being savaged day in and day out for 6 months straight?”

Nice going numnutz.

Hillary Clinton must absolutely not lend Obama so much as the time of day. It’s crucial to the future of the country, yea the world, and it’s crucial to her reputation. People change; supporters are people too and they can change too. A Hillary who supports Obama is not a Hillary I like or the Hillary I thought I knew. And I really loved her. Really. But enough’s enough.

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If Sarah Palin didn’t defend Hillary, why should Hillary defend Palin?

Your post smacks of utter madness.

Unfortunately, No Quarter is starting to have a bad repug infestation.

You, and the others that think it is permissible to bash a Republican female in ways that you would be clamoring to condemn if it were happening to Hillary, are being shortsighted. Sexism/misogyny is wrong in all its forms. I don’t care if the female that it is being perpetrated against is a Democrat or a Republican. It’s wrong, and Hillary should acknowledge this. Apparently, you all are so enamored with Hillary, that scruples go by the wayside. Please remember that there were Republican women supporting Hillary, too.

I am a Hillary supporter, and I am pissed at the way Hillary was treated during the primaries (and even now for that matter). I will now vote for McCain to keep Obama out of the White House. I will also watch to see how Hillary responds to misogyny from this day forward. If Hillary turns out to be more concerned about her career than about fighting sexism and misogyny, even after experiencing the nasty tactics that were used against her in the primaries, then I will not support her in the future.

There’s no doubt that Hillary was done wrong during the primaries. This is why it is so disappointing to me that Hillary is not forcibly speaking out at this time about misogyny. She should be doing this today, not tomorrow!

Females that coddle Hillary as if she can do no wrong because they want her to run for the presidency again in the future, should encourage her to stand against sexism today. She would be the perfect spokeswoman because of her experiences. She can start her own movement, a movement that has real purpose and meaning. Let it sweep like wildfire across the land. Her stature would surely increase, and she would be doing us all a tremendous good deed.

Four years from now, there is not telling what the political situation will be. There is no certainty that Hillary will even run again. Her career has already been put in jeopardy by the fact that she stood up to Barack Obama. She needs to do what is right for America, not herself.

What happens if Obama goes down blessedly to defeat? Can not the loony left/MoveOn faction come up with another candidate in 2012 and split the Democrats again?

I think Matthew’s post speaks to the discomfort that many Hillary supporters feel if she goes into Florida and slams another woman, Republican or not. Plain is “not” and never will be Hillary Clinton. But the fact that she’s a conservative woman doesn’t make her road kill either.

I for one will be watching and listening to Clinton’s statements. I know she’s a political animal and if she wants any future in the Democratic Party, she’s going to do what she needs to do. But tone is everything. A generic attack is one thing; a savage attack on Palin as a woman, a mother, and all the other garbage we’ve been listening to and reading in the last week is something else.

I trust Hillary Clinton will find the honorable yet necessary way through this mess. It’s not up to her to save Obama’s ass.

But if she resorts to personal attacks, I’ll be the first one to say, she’s let us [her supporters] down.

But until then? She has my respect.

My opinion is based on the conversations I have with my grandmother, with my mother, with my father, with my aunts, with my uncles, with my cousins, with co-workers, with my family’s coworkers, with neighbors, with my friends, influential Black blogs, influential Black radio programs,etc.

I know what they are saying, and I stand by my opinion that Hillary’s relationship on large scale with AA’s has been damaged by Barack, and it needs healing.

It’s not media fantasy, but a RESULT of media hype.

I agree with you georgia.I think most Americans KNOW Hillary is not, and will never be responsible for Obama losing,no matter what she were to do..the fact is,he is a LOUSY candidate,and we ALL sat and watched what he did to Hillary in the primaries..We DO love and appreciate a maverick,and if Hillary were to come out against Obama… she would have even more respect than she has now.BURN BARRY BURN!

Another Repug talking point. Frankly, I am getting tired of the Repugs here slamming Hillary.

Sarah Palin did not defend Hillary, she in fact dismissed Hillary’s pointing out of sexism as “whining”.

Hillary does not owe a shit to your repug’s Mooselady.

HILLARY OVER PALIN, ANY DAY, ANY TIME, ALWAYS!!!

Watch it with that. This Democrat does not appreciate it.

Good grief! Like we haven’t done so since the beginning of the year.

Frankly, some Hillary supporters (or are they?) should have more faith in Hillary. Hillary isn’t going to launch any personal attacks on Palin, it has never been her style.

She is going to talk policy.

I relish a debate between Palin and Hillary, because Palin’s policies are downright wrong.

Didn’t Palin talk about Hillary whining about being picked on because she was a woman? Palin can defend herself and she should expect that reporters will ask her policy questions. Politics is a rough game and she can’t hide from the press.

The 18 million voters who voted for Clinton should thank McCain for putting Palin in his ticket.

Though the 18 million voters are exasperated by Obama Hussein for not choosing Clinton as his running mate, thanks to McCain for selecting Palin, at least it’s a consolation to the 18 million Clinton voters.

Now the 18 million voters can vote for Palin even though it’s not Clinton herself who we have got in mind- to be the commander in chief, if it’s not possible, then VP.

Obama Hussein denied this choice of the 18 million Clinton voters by dropping Clinton shows that Obama is arrogant and doesn’t respect the Clinton 18 million voters.

So why should the 18 million Clinton voters vote for this arrogant Obama Hussein as the president?

This Obama Hussein has got his own agenda which is not compatible to the 18 million voters!

So why vote for Obama Hussein who wants his agenda to be fulfilled just for himself and his cronies?

Hey! The 18 million voters who would vote for Obama Hussein so that Obama Hussein will fulfill the aspirations of the 18 million voters and not Obama Hussein’s or his cronies.

If Obama can’t understand this simple logic, can he solve the problems of USA with logic?

Obama is just not a logical man but will do things at his whims and fancies.

Will the American voters want a commander in chief who does things at his whims and fancies and without logic?

McCain at least is trying his best to fulfill the aspirations of the 18 million Clinton voters by picking Palin as his running mate just shows that MaCain values the 18 million Clinton voters.

Though it’s not the best desire of the 18 million Clinton voters but it’s the next best thing that McCain can do!

Hence by picking Paling, McCain has won the hearts of the 18 million Clinton voters and has won half the battle this Presidential election.

Sigh! If Obama has not prime his agenda by picking Clinton, guess Palin will not be on McCain’s ticket.

Well! On paper, Obama Hussein has lost the presidential battle by his parochial machinations who can’t choose Clinton if his evil machinations are to materialized.

What is the real agenda of Obama Hussein for running for the commander in chief post?

The American voters will have to find this out.

For the 18 million Clinton voters, they have been betrayed by the DNC evil cults!

Vote McCain/Palin for president and vice president.

They are more likely to take care of the 18 million Clinton voters than the Obama cults who had been despising and scorning the 18 million Clinton voters!

The Obama Hussein cults will not bother to the aspirations of the the 18 million Clinton voters, let alone fighting for the rights and benefits of the 18 million Clinton voters.

You sound like a Repug with your dissing of Hillary. Watch it.

You should watch that video again –
Your words “Didn’t you see Palin say that she thought that Hillary was whining…”

That is not what she said – who do you think released that video and why do you think you don’t get the part of the question she was responding to
What I heard her to say was about things being out there that could be “percieved as whining”.

OK! I wish folks would stop comparing Hillary and Palin!!!! I was a National Delegate for Hillary…it was painful to attend the convention BUT I refused to be supressed and I cast my ballot for Hillary!!!

The mission now is CLEAR!! No OBAMA on NO terms!!!

Team Hillary!!! That means supporting Palin!!!!

Let’s debate Palin in 2012 BUT that is not our mission now!!!!

We must do everything possible to bring attention to the FAKE Democratic nonimee!!!!

I am sure you are expecting Hillary to fight for McCain and Palin, now, aren’t you Repug?

Not if their candidate loses so badly that anybody they put up will be poison next time around.

soros isn’t going to live forever, so hopefully the huge funding for hateful candidates for president will, to coin a phrase, moveon.

Hillary should stay out of it. I wish she wasn’t even going after McCain.

This is Obama’s fight, not hers…let him fight his own damn battles…and stop trying to drag Hillary into them.

Yes BO would love you to stay home if your not voting for him.
PS: Biden is listed as the 3rd most liberal.

Miss Malevolent, Hillary is practicing for the 2012 elections. Surely you want Hillary to be back in 2012 to defeat McCain and Palin?

HILLARY 2012!!!

The problem is that if Hillary is too out there lending support to the Obama campaign, it could very well lead to Obama’s becoming President, in which case there won’t be any to “take back” the Democratic Party, you schmuck.
On the other hand, if Hillary isn’t out there enough lending support to Obama, his people will hold HER personally responsible for his failure to win the Presidency and Hillary’s chances of getting any support from the Democratic Party (as it is now) will be the same as it was this past year. And anyone who thinks that the Democrats who were in charge of this charade of a primary will be pushed aside has a lot to learn. The PUMAs who have largely repudiated the Democratic Party since the RBC decision will find the Party NOT willing to take them back into the fold.
If you really want Hillary in 2012, Obama has to lose big time AND the apparatchiks who foisted Obama on the public will have to be ousted. But, having Hillary fail to chastise the Party apparatchiks and the media for continuing sexist attacks through the rest of this election cycle will likely come back to haunt her in a 2012 campaign–she and her supporters screamed “sexism” in 2008 when she was the target but did nothing to stop the sexism against Palin later that year. Yeah, that’ll look real good for her in 2012.

Hillay IS speaking VERY loudly…by her silence.

Yeah, she has to hold her nose and go to Florida and a few other places and talk nice about Obama, but does anyone really think she means it?

And what about Bill?

3 months since THE ONE was officially anointed, and where is Bill’s support?

The Clintons despise Obama. But, they MUST allow him to self-destruct, and MUST not be blamed when he is defeated. That’s the only way that they will be able to sift through the ashes, and re-build the once great Democratic party.

Bill and Hill are pros. They know exactly what they are doing, and why.

PUMA

Idiot. Palin and the GOP women did not defend Hillary so Hillary does not owe Palin a thing.

Dissing Hillary is not going to help with the anti-Obama pro-Hillary people.

Exactly. I AM VERY PISSED OFF BY THE REPUGS HERE CONTINUING TO INSIST THAT HILLARY HAS TO SPEAK OUT IN DEFENCE OF MOOSELADY. MOOSELADY DID NOT DEFEND HILLARY, AND HILLARY DOES NOT OWE A THING TO MOOSELADY.

backlash baby, backlash!
Palin needs nothing from
HRC. She has all the support in the world from
Republican women, McCain’s campaign, and conservatives.
Leave Hillary alone. Sarah’s knocking O on his ass. Hillary will only benefit from that.

somewhere down the line when you need defending it is okay for people to say – she is a big girl and can well defend herself.
I hope that does not happen to you,

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We hold these truths to be self-evident:

- W is the worst political leader in modern times.

- The war in Iraq is immoral. All war is bad. But this one was instigated on typically falsified premises (as most wars are).

- W’s approval ratings are some kind of world record low.

- People have been waiting for eight long years to get rid of W and his party.

- Things are so bad with the GOP that McCain distances himself from W and W’s name hardly comes up. And fortuitously W has an excuse not to come to the RNC.

- People don’t want right wing politics and a few are clued in to understand Hillary and Bill really had something going.

- A Democratic victory should have been a slam-dunk. A landslide.

But:

- Obama and his David Axelrod changed the entire topology of the campaign.

- Suddenly the campaign is not about issues. Partly because Axelrod doesn’t want his boy discussing issues because he knows he’d get shot down by Hillary.

- Obama gets flustered in debates, on The View, and so forth. He can’t communicate – all he can do is lower his voice, raise his nose, and read from a teleprompter.

- Preferably Obama should speak before big crowds. Or at least big venues. So people don’t get too close to him and see through him.

- Obama and his people lie, cheat, deceive all the way through the primaries. Voters notice.

- Obama has the DNC in his tank so they lie, cheat, and deceive for him.

- Obama also got the MSM in his tank. This through certain financial interests who are controlling the whole show for him (and for themselves).

- People start smelling corruption everywhere. As if.

- Obama can’t stoop to picking Hillary as his running mate – or at least asking her or at least “vetting” her. He’s too arrogant for that.

So:

- McCain waits until Obama’s chosen a class-A jerk (and alcoholic?) as his running mate, until the “great speech” is over and then lets the bomb drop.

- Obama is totally outflanked.

- McCain and the GOP will now get the PUMA vote.

- There has never been such an outcry – or an emigration – from a political party in a modern election campaign. The Democratic Party is deeply divided – some would say all but destroyed. “Divisive” is what Axelrod used to describe Hillary in the beginning to scare voters away from her.

- No one has ever divided a political party in the US as Obama has done.

And:

- Now Sarah Palin enters on the scene.

- But the name of the game has changed radically.

- It’s no longer about policies. (Some would claim Obama did his best to make sure it never was.) Now instead it’s about honesty and integrity fighting corruption. And the picture people have is Obama is deeply corrupt.

- Obama represents the extraordinarily corrupt Chicago political machine.

- There is speculation Chicago is backing Obama for the rewards a 2016 Olympics would bring.

- But here is Sarah Palin, a made-to-order antidote for all Obama has inflicted on the country.

Consequently:

- Partisan politics are temporarily on the shelf.

- This is all about rooting out corruption now.

- People don’t care about Sarah’s partisan politics.

- They only care about her way of fighting corruption – they see her as a beacon of light, as exactly what the doctor ordered.

This campaign is no longer about party policies. It should have been a slam-dunk for the Democrats. But instead they’re only “neck and neck” with the GOP – and when the new polls come out they’ll most likely be trailing behind.

The closer people are following this campaign, the more informed voters are, the more likely they will prefer McCain and Sarah who they know to be honest people, and the more they will shun Obama, Axelrod, the Chicago machine, and all that type of corrupt politics represents.

In other words: McCain and Sarah have been (thankfully) able to redefine the campaign itself. No one in here is talking about GOP politics – everyone is talking about the corruption of Obama, the DNC, and so forth.

This is the big issue in this campaign. And who would have guessed?

Is that so?

You need an updated dictionary then because my 2008 edition says

“See DNC and the Treatment of Hillary. See also DNC and the Treatment of Palin”

And the next time you want to call someone a douchebag look in the mirror you ignorant tool

It happened to Hillary. No Repugs defended here, nor did so-called “Democrats”.

Are you seriously asking Hillary to defend Palin? Palin was defended by the likes of Giulani, Newt Gingrinch and Mitt Romney. These people hate Hillary Clinton.

And who defended Hillary? No one, just us loyal Hillary supporters.

So yes, Palin does not need defending because she has Repug Hillary-haters defending her.

Oh, please, Kathleen. Hillary’s been set up to be the “fall guy” for an Obama loss since March! What the hell do you think all those party “leaders” were doing when they “urged” her to drop out? The longer she stayed in, the harder the leaders’ hearts became towards her.
If Hillary doesn’t give Obama 150% of her support, she’ll be cast as the “spoiled bitch” who couldn’t “get over” her loss. If Obama doesn’t win a crucial state (especially one of the many that Hillary won in the primaries), Hillary will get the blame for “not delivering her voters”.
If the current Democratic leadership (such as it is) is not purged from top to bottom following a McCain/Palin victory, Hillary won’t stand a chance of getting the nomination in 2012. She was the victim of an “anyone but Hillary” campaign among the Democratic leadership last year, as much as the blatant sexism we saw during the primary season. She may not be able to stop an “anyone but” campaign but she most certainly can continue attacking the sexism that was so rampant from the media AND her own party.

This post is not so good idea. It’s not in Hillary’s interest to defend sexist attacks against Palin who after all said Clinton appeared to whine about sexists remarks. Let Palin, McCain, Obama and Biden fight their own battles. No matter who wins, McCain or Obama, will be bad for Americans. Hillary should stay away from the campaign as much as possible.

Oh and btw i was agreeing with the gist of your post and supporting it. It was a support of your argument against Mathew that you replied to not an attack on your argument.

So that makes you not only an ignorant tool that called me a douchebag, but a myopic twit that clearly lacks the experience to recognize the difference between a douchebag and Jeremiah God Damn Barack AmeriKKKa Wrightopolis…

…you sorry excuse for a lifesupport system for 3 day old toe jam.

Matthew:

You’re totally right. I’d imagine Hillary is drained after that campaign and the way they crapped all over her. But by now I’d expect she’d come out and do something in defense of Sarah. However I do remember she said nothing at all for the longest time about Jeremiah Wright. I think she wants to stay away from things like this. Maybe letting her know we’d like her to defend her sister could swerve her.

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Jeremiah you keep throwing out the great logical
and sane points and this guy keeps saying why, why? Reminds me of the Obot trolls saying, “help me understand your thinking”. I’m sick of it and them.

Requiring HRC to defend Palin would cause all kinds of chaos and bitterness against her by theObots. It is absurd.

oh wait strike the i was agreeing with a lot of your post comment…i didnt actually catch everything you ranted about…an alien was looking in my window and i had to grab the camera when i was posting that reply.

Give me a break. The Republicans are so corrupt that no there is no way Palin can clean up that swamp. If the Republicans stay the corruption will continue because it’s how Republicans operate. If Obama gets elected it will be incompetence. No matter who wins, Americans will lose in November.

My hat is off to Geraldine Ferraro, for at least she has openly admitted the sexist games the Democrats are still playing.

I know that it is rummored that people saying that Palin should stay home with 5 kids and etc are mostly women. However I have a feeling that these same women voters will soon be changing their tune if the Democrats dont stop their sexist games. When their tune changes I dont think they will pulling Democratic levers.

Yes. Hillary and her supporters are between a rock and a hard place.

Looks like it’s also getting a bad “Obamabot-for-Hillary (now that she’s out of the way of the Anointed One)” infestation.
Dude, seriously. I do not recall seeing you on this site until the past week or so. Where were you a couple of months ago when Hillary was in need of support against the Obamazoids?

Hillary has swam away from the sinking Obama ship to escape being sucked under when it is finally, violently and explosively, yanked beneath the water by the icy hand of Neptune.

LOL. Trolls are funny sometimes.

yeah, DON’T VOTE! Do EXACTLY as racist, pro-Obama Donna Brazile WANTS you to do. NOT voting will SURELY win Obama the presidency. Maybe that’s what all you “I’m not gonna vote” people REALLY want???? An Obamination presidency, huh???

REAL smart! Racist Donna B. will THANK YOU, and your ‘potty’ as Donna B. says (the REAL Democrat ‘potty’) will be FOREVER changed. The sexists, the racists, the liars, and the unfair/vile media will have won! This WILL NOT be an election won ‘by the people’!

As far as Hillary commenting, I think she needs to stay mum; if asked about it, she should say something like ‘yes, I know what she’s going through’ and leave it at that.

There is wisdom in this too. But I’d just like to suggest one more time that she might be totally drained and exhausted and we don’t really know what’s going on with her, that she’s alright, or anything.

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Look, a Republican troll loves Geraldine Ferraro.

Such madness.

To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.

Palin did not defend Hillary when she had the chance. Palin already has her defense from the Repugs, many of which are Hillary haters. Hillary doesn’t owe a thing to Palin.

HILLARY ’12!!!

And then he proved just how “liberal” he is when he backed the Bush administration’s telecom immunity FISA bill.
I don’t give a rat’s ass how “liberal” Obama was LAST YEAR especially as that rating is really a bit skewed. If Obama didn’t cast a vote, then he couldn’t be rated on it (and he missed a boatload of Senate votes, especially in the last quarter of 2007).

You know what?

Jonestown solves the koolaid problem after the election in more ways than one.

Hopefully many of those extreme left wing fascists will be so upset and disenfranchized they will take obama and move to an island that they rent with all that money from small donations and set up an obamatopia where they can all live happily ever after with no rich white people or bitter old woman of the old democratic party or or dead enders or racists that cling to guns and religion or simple folk who are too poor to get a college eduction and too damn dumb to care and those other women who are not really women cause they pop out more than one baby in the first 30 years of their reproductive lives.
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grrr….the more i think about the shit that was pulled in the democratic party by its own leaders to get barky where he is the madder i get.

I am going to fake my death before the election so i can vote Twice for McCain.

Nopers – YOU don’t get it! NO woman, that means NO woman (dem, repub, independent, poor, rich, smart, dumb, intelligent, mentally challenged) should not take ANY abuse SIMPLY because SHE IS A WOMAN! Issues are ONE thing but to attack someone MERELY for being a CERTAIN SEX is WRONG!

Which is why Hillary never whined. Q.E.D.

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I agree with every character in that post of yours. Every one. It’s precisely as I would have put it.

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Comment by Dhyana | 2008-09-06 02:18:11

Give me a break. The Republicans are so corrupt that no there is no way Palin can clean up that swamp. If the Republicans stay the corruption will continue because it’s how Republicans operate. If Obama gets elected it will be incompetence. No matter who wins, Americans will lose in November.
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In the past serveral months the Democrats have taken the lead in Senators and Congressmen getting caught with their hand in the wrong cookie jar.
The Democrats have also been taking the lead for having connections with all the state voter registration frauds, especially their Presidental candidate Obama…

It also appears that since the Democrats took over the majority of seats in Congress; Congress’s rating has gone down. Over the last several months it has mostly been lower than President Bush. Congress’s rating has even hit the 1 digit mark ACK !!!!

Maybe this is why Obama isnt able to close the deal.

Please ask Palin to defend Hillary. I’m waiting…

Looks like an Obama troll is getting some overtime.

If Obama gets in then so does the Chicago machine. And if they can swing the 2016 Olympics (shudder) then its tens of billions to them and their friends. And you know Obama will funnel federal money their way any chance he can. Bill Ayers is the heir of Tom Ayers, isn’t he? and Tom Ayers was considered the “top dog” in Chicago, even controlling Daley? So who’s in charge today? Who has all the money today? If Obama wins the United States enters the Dark Ages. The Shadow of Mordor more or less.

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Lay off Hillary Clinton.

We asked her not to give up — to take it all the way — and she did. She gave us her all until the bitter end.

She fought her heart out, spending millions of her own money, and allowing her reputation to be savaged daily — for us.

She doesn’t owe anybody a damn thing.

Now she gets to do what she thinks is best for her.

Period.

*****A

I did not like the haughty approach Palin took towards Hillary’s raising of sexism.

I think Hillary’s best bet is to do NOTHING. I certainly don’t think she should come to Palin’s defense. At the same time, I don’t think she should campaign for Obama. I think she needs to get involved with Bill’s foundation when she is not in the Senate. Obama needs to sink or swim without Hillary’s help. By saying nothing she shows she doesn’t approve of the illegitimate Obama candidacy and the sexism. When she campaigns for Obama she supports his sexism no matter what she says.

Oh my – yet another boy wanting Mama to take care of a problem.

Time to grow up.

Thank you for your comments.

Hillary ’12!!!

tampagurl – I lost all respect for Ferraro; she now supports Obama ‘because he chose Biden – a good foreign policy expert – and that what she was REALLY worried about’ (she said). Yeah, forget all the sexist remarks directed DIRECTLY AT HER- the wimp! So, now Ferraro is going to reward Obama and his camp and try to elect him president. What’s SHE got to lose by denoucing Obama (she could state she wasn’t voting for Mccain either)? Is she still THAT interested in politics that she’s willing to make herself look like a fool – a USED fool? She makes ALL women look like the ‘just lie down and take it’ type of weaklings! I no longer like her!

Great post, Shine. Beautifully argued.

Shine On you Crazy Diamond! (If youre a Floyd fan)

PUMA

Amen. Quit repeating the lie that Palin called Hillary a “whiner” – that’s a lie Obama trolls keep repeating.

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But it’s not about the female vote. It’s about the “we hate corruption” vote. There are ample references to this already. And there is a common perception that the “good old boys” represent corruption – that any “boys club” or “fraternity” represents precisely the type of politics people don’t want anymore. And strangely it’s not likely things would have come to such a head if Obama hadn’t come onto the scene and spread his filth. In Palin people see a woman – too true, doh – but more than that they see a woman who will not be part of a “boys club” or a “good old boy” and will clean up the corruption.

It’s not about what Sarah will do in Washington – it’s about what she stands for right now – the diametric opposite of Obama.

Sarah filed charges against herself in the Wooten case because she never has anything to hide and wants the whole thing over with; that’s the exact opposite of Obama.

People like her not for her politics or even for her being a woman but more than anything else for her being the antipode and antidote for the corrupt Obama.

IMHO.

Go easy on him! He’s not the enemy!

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Come on. Only Republicans are capable of being corrupt? I think history, if it could speak, would opine otherwise.

You can’t be such an ideologue.

Both parties have strayed and both are paying for it now.

Blind loyalty to a brand is not practical. Especially when the stakes are so much greater than “Coke versus Pepsi” style partisanship.

We have greater access to information and we have this media right here, this forum, this interconnected web of 24/7 communication, in which we might exchange ideas, unfiltered by the main stream media, unfiltered by detached interpretation of vague polls, unfiltered by some representative organization.

Please don’t close your mind to an idea because of a prejudice of its source. That will stunt your growth..

Obama is still a fool, 2007, 2008, or any year you please.

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Lochos Vestu – if you remember, John McCain himself defended Hillary while the media and the Obama camp was vilifying her. He also praised her. Have you all forgotten that? Just trying to be fair…

All this “I invaded first so I got a right to stay but you didn’t” stuff is very confusing.

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I “AGREE”!!!!! That’s the FEELING I got the FIRST time I read it!!!! Do we(notME) EXPECT her to fight EVERYBODY’S(NObama,Palin,Odnc,the WOLRD) battle? Come on now she’s ONLY 1 STRONG woman!!!!!

No sexism and misogyny should be acceptable. It’s pathetic how low brow the media has become.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that many of us are very dissatisfied with the DNC and all the nonsense they pulled during the primary only to further cement our distrust and indignation by the sham of a roll call vote they held at the convention. Many of us feel it is our mission to exact change within the party to brings it back to the ideals and principles that it used to be based on. We must work to get rid of those who hijacked it and changed it to this sham of a “new” party based on the tactics of Rove and Co. I personally am not getting all exited about everything that McCain/Palin do or say – and yes she has the backing of the Repubs where as Hillary did not even have her party behind her. (Does anyone really know just who started manufacturing the Hillary nutcracker?? I wouldn’t doubt if it was a Republican idea first)I still haven’t decided if I will vote for John McCain and no I absolutely cannot stomach the idea of Obama being President. But I thoroughly understand that IF I vote McCain, I am merely voting AGAINST Obama. I STILL have no love for the Republican Party at all. The only hope I see is that McCain is a little more to the middle than the Bush administration.

To expect Hillary to fight Sarah Palin’s battles is unrealistic. It is up to us and our votes and voice to stop the DNC and we can certainly boycott the press and those who advertise with the worst offenders of this horrendous behaviour. And we must understand that we are voting against Obama and nothing more, unless of course you decide that you agree with the principles of the Republican Party. But to speak out against Hillary is sort of like holding her responsible for all that is said against Palin as well as how they hold her responsible for Obama’s failures.

We really don’t know how Hillary is really thinking about sexism on Sarah or other things. So, I write how I see her action campaining for obama in FL or her non-action against sexism.

“Country First” sounds wonderful and I get excited to hear the words. Thus, we might not like if Hillary doesn’t say “Country First.”

But, to her, “Country First” could mean many things, one of them would be Universal Health Care for All Americans. For that, at least she can use her time and energy to share or promote her plan while campaigning for democrats running for congress.

About sexism Hilary not speaking up against, I feel, she prefers to use her time and energy to share her ideal for making better living conditions for American people by going around country campaining for other officials who are running and at the same time she can promote her plan by talking to people.

Hillary can campaign for Obama, but she must make sure that there are NO more Sexist remarks or games from the DNC or Obama officals. Hillary should also not be the only one to have to apologize for her party either.

If Hillary lets the sexism go on even though Palin didnt defend her; she will more than likely have further problems in 2012. Most of the Hillary voters are upset due to thesexist games and abuse the DNC and Obama heaped on Hillary.

Its not only Obama’s integrity that has me changing to McCain its the voter games, race card games and sexist games that the DNC and Obama played that have me voting for McCain.

When Obama loses, the DNC will be swept clean.

But how far out of touch are they? They don’t get it now, do they? And it’s not that hard to pick up, is it? What happened in 1972? Were they swept clean that time too? I don’t know as it’s before my time but I think I can make a very good guess.

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Well said—If Hillary helps Obama and the DNC while they keep playing the same sexist games she will have further problems…

You know for all we know they could be discussing this privately. Hill, Sarah, and McCain. They have telephones and email accounts and stuff you know…

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The media, DNC and Obama people used sexist games against Hillary.
So if they took care of it privately too we should condone it.
Sorry it doesnt make sense.

I agree with nobonomo. I was so disappointed when Hillary dropped out and didn’t have a floor fight. Hillary lost some respect as far as I am concerned when she refused to fight. Schumer (spelling???) at the Democratic Convention said on TV that Hillary will make a great Supreme Court Justice. I really don’t know how this whole thing plays out or if she made some sort of deal. Still – she needs to be silent.

i think Hillary has done enough…

if you recall one of her last speeches, i think it was when she one Puerto Rico? she said it is now up to us or something…

Hillary has exceeded my expectations…

i think what is troubling many is that nobody expected Obama to stoop even lower and start smearing a teenage girl and a woman’s mothering skills…

or to say that because Palin is a mother she shouldn’t run for office…

i think that the crap Obama is throwing out is so diabolical that we are looking around for everyone to denounce him…

I do think the Democratic party leaders should be speaking out against it…

As the Reverand said a few posts before me, it is our responsibility to do what needs to be done…

the best thing we can do is vote for Mccain, get our friends to vote for mccain and make sure the medai and the democratic party are held accountable…

that is our power and our responsibility

we owe Hillary that much…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

I completely and totally agree with you, Lochos and Jeremiah. I am fed up with everyone expecting Hillary to save their asses. I heard a rant today from Sean Hannity against the way Gov. Palin is being trashed, but I don’t remember him saying a word in defense of Hillary. Rush Limbaugh was doing the same yesterday and he has called Hillary a feminazi. Even the evil Dick Morris has nothing but praise for her and nothing but disgusting, sexist remarks about Hillary. Your attitude, Matthew, is sexist. Do you thing Sarah Palin and the Republicans can’t fight this fight without Hillary? You want to protect Gov. Palin from these nasty, abhorrent attacks and I understand that. Really. She is pretty, sassy and charming and she is a member of the party which has spent more than a decade trying to destroy Hillary. Republican women were weeping when she spoke and the Republican men are ready to take up arms against those who insult her. Hillary has talked the talk and walked the walk for three decades for women’s rights, and to borrow a quote from McCain, she has the scars to prove it. Now you and others want Hillary to put aside all chance she has of accomplish long established goals for another woman who has ample support from her party and many advocates and protectors. There was a video on River Daughter of Sarah Palin talking about Hillary and she called her a “whiner”, so now she has to walk a few miles in Hillary’s shoes, the same shoes Hillary has worn almost as long as Palin has been alive. I really, really resent your post. As a woman and fellow human being I am deeply offended by the attacks against Gov. Palin. I don’t plan to vote for Obama. I am delighted that McCain dropped this bombshell on both parties and I can imagine Hillary appreciates the irony, but why has Hillary’s name been brought up in nearly every single comment since Palin’s nomination? Leave her the hell alone to do what she has to do. She has paid her dues.

You, MaryPat, are no supporter of Hillary Clinton’s.

McCain went back to the Senate and went out of his way to annoy Bush at every opportunity. From 2000 – 2006, the two never agreed on anything. McCain was known as a RINO to his own party, at one time considered as a running mate for Kerry. The Democrats couldn’t say enough good things about him. Of course, Bush was the most fiscally irresponsible Republican since Reagan, so the Dems went along with whatever he said, even though they bad-mouthed him at every turn. Bush was their scapegoat. McCain was progressive on the environment and joined in the bad-mouthing of Bush.

And for not leaving his party, John McCain now finds himself saddled with the baggage of a man he never much liked to begin with. His big challenge in this election is to distance himself as much as possible from George Bush. It could cost him the election.

Hillary will find herself in a similar position if Barack Obama is elected. He will go after her with a vengeance, because she poses a threat to him.

No matter how it happens or what Hillary does, if Obama loses, she will be blamed for it. It will be a close election, and Independent women will be huge factor in deciding it.

They will not be motivated to go out and vote just to spite Obama or for a woman who never took the RBC decision to the credentials committee, who immediately threw her support behind a candidate who pulled off voter fraud, who threw fundraisers for Obama and introduced him to her donors while he couldn’t even raise $100,000 for her or remember to ask supporters to help pay off her enormous debt, this from the guy who put out an announcement three days after the primaries that Patti Solis Doyle was now officially on the payroll. I mean how can you find any dignity in this? She is done. 2012 is four years away and anything can happen. Who in their right minds will show up to vote this November for the year 2012?

Those are voters who will sit out on election day. They need a cause to rally them. Even voters who are perfectly happy with their party do. That’s what conventions are for.

With all the attention that has been given to sexism and the role of media in destroying woman candidates, how can anyone watch someone who’s said the media ruined their chances and it was unfair, not speak up? It’s like witnessing a crime and not reporting it with the delicious twist that it happened to you, too. And a lot of women do this.

It is a mentality that perpetuates abuse. A woman who was beat as a child allows her boyfriend to do the same to her children. How can you believe Hillary the next time she runs, if she ever does, when she says she’ll fight for you? Maybe she’ll just fight when it’s easy enough, but if it seems too hard, then she’ll take a dive and wait it out. Those people aren’t fighters.

And I have known fighters. I pushed my best friend who kept her child to dump her loser boyfriends, to go after her son’s deadbeat dad in court, to keep furthering her education and look for new jobs when they turned her down for a promotion to give it to a less qualified male. I have fought my own battles and gone far, and I learned that from joining the military out of high school, putting off my modeling career. I wanted to learn survival skills before throwing myself into a big city where I knew no one. And my stepfather made his money off medical patents. He bought the company he worked for by taking out loans and finding investors and pooling stock from his coworkers. He wanted things done his way, and he was right. It pays to be right. That is my point.

Sarah Palin is an example to anyone with an entrepreneurial spirit. You can relate to her, because she told people to “fuck off” when she knew she was right, regardless the consequences. And she was right, so it paid off. John McCain is the same way, or he wouldn’t be his party’s nominee. He stuck to his guns when people had already written him off, and now he is revolutionizing his party. He made a ballsy move and double-downed to nominate Sarah Palin, and I like them both for being so rebellious.

Hillary would gain respect from women, if she did the right thing and spoke out against sexism, or at the very least refused to campaign for Obama. Now the new girl is more popular, and Hillary is supposed to be the muscle for the Messiah. Even if she “attacks McCain,” it will look that way. She will be seen as jealous of someone who could take her place as the first woman President. She could never talk again about equality for women and “us divas have to stick together.” She better hope 2012 is about abortion and the economy.

hillary’s words regarding the palin announcement were gracious and showed her respect for the governor. she attacked the issues, not the person..that is all one could or should ask of her.

Amen to Nopers!!!!!!

Smartest comment on here.

Those women can’t add: Palin will have three kids at home if she becomes VP. Her oldest son is in the Army; her oldest daughter is getting married.

I think Palin and her husband can handle three kids just fine, especially with hired help on a VP’s salary.

Michelle announced today that she and Barack were done having kids – two was enough, considering the demands of the Presidency. Gee, Michelle, I didn’t know you were planning on being co-president! What about that makeover and staying home with the girls? Palin must make MO sick with envy: a woman who can handle a family, a career, live in the governor’s mansion without hired help, drive herself to the governor’s office, play basketball, hunt, fish, and love her country – all without the benefit of an Ivy League education.

This cycle has shaken my faith in the Democratic party to a degree I could never have imagined. Hillary was such a strong candidate. Seeing her subjected to the demeaning attacks of the pro-Obama media (“Oooo her breasts are showing” “Ohhh does America real want to watch a woman getting older on national televion?”), held to a ridiculously higher standard than her competition, and relentlessly attacked for quotes that were taken out of context or entirely fabricated, I had nevertheless assumed that it was the Clinton family these “democrats” were attacking. So imagine my surprise when another female candidate comes into view and is immediately subject to the exact same level of vitriolic attack, the same demeaning comments and variant standards “can she be a parent and a VP at the same time?” (hello, doesn’t Obama have kids!?).

The Democratic party clearly has trouble with women. And it shocks and surprises me. I can’t even listen to “progressive” radio anymore because it’s constant lies and shilling. I always though the democrats were the more open-minded party, but this cycle has really opened my eyes. I’m very disappointed.

Democrats can no longer count on me to vote straight D down the line. I’m going to start viewing each of them as individuals – starting with Obama when I studiously avoid casting a vote for him this November.

Palin doesn’t NEED to defend Hillary; Palin KNOWS what Hillary went through (the WHOLE WORLD knows what Hillary went through; even the scum who did it to her, but won’t own up to it – yet, THEY KNOW).

Hillary is NO LONGER in the race; why should Palin defend her?? Palin has complimented/thanked Hillary in the past (PUBLICALLY) for ‘creating 18 millions cracks’. Do you hate Republicans THAT much that you won’t even acknowledge when another HUMAN BEING says a kind word about them? McCain ALSO noted how vile the media treated Hillary – at least be FAIR, dem/rep/indy – they’re STILL HUMANS!

Hillary DOES NOT NEED TO defend Palin, either! If asked about it by the no-good media, all she needs to say is that she acknowledges what Sarah is going through and leave it at that!

Someone mentioned earlier that Palin has her OWN party to support and protect her; it’s a SHAME that Hillary’s mistreatment CAME FROM HER OWN PARTY!! How in the world Hillary cannot be mad/sad about this (of course, she can’t publically) – I don’t know how she does it! And now, the commander-in-jerk ASSUMES she will get all of her supporters to back him!

True. The RNC seems to have taken care of the sexism problem for the time being. Hillary should not campaign for Obama, though. Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell never endorsed a candidate, because they couldn’t be seen as going against their own. I think it would be classy of Hillary to say the race has changed now with a woman VP, and she would like to focus more on the downticket Dems.

That’s right! And I agree with the person that said, “let Hillary rest now – she fought for us and now it’s time for us to fight for her, with our vote.”

The GOP always defends their own – too bad the Dems wouldn’t know the definition of loyalty if it was rammed up their butts.

McCain/Palin ’08
HILLARY ’12!!!

Nothing productive comes from silence. What happened to Hillary came because of silence. Where were all these women that are now disputing what should or should not be done when it was going on.
I think you underestimate what is possible. Who cares what BO’s fellow democracy subverters say when he looses.
Don’t you think that she would keep the respect of the 18 mil and more by not supporting a thug.
I think she has the respect of McCain and that you will find that he will put her in an important position.
Fear of who will say what or be seen as what plays right into BO’s twisted game.
When you need to vent just keep the picture in your mind of BO brushing his shoulder and go from there. That is your target not other women.

Hillary releasing a press statement when the media attacked Clinton’s family was enough, and it would be enough if something similarly outrageous was to happen in the future. Campaigning for Obama is a bad idea.

Agreed. Palin had nothing nice to say about Hillary when she was being hit by constant sexist, biased attacks. The most we can do is hope she’s come to the realization that “oops, now I know what Hillary was going through!”

I’m now leaning very strongly towards McCain/Palin… not so much because I like Palin, but because the attacks against her remind me so much of the unfair way Hillary was treated, and remind me that it was democrats who attacked her so viciously and relentlessly.

What’s happened to the party Bill Clinton brought me into?

Let Hillary bide her time and get through this nightmare of a GE. Once Barky loses, Dean will be voted out and Hillary will have her second shot. Maybe the DNC will wise up and give the chairmanship back to Terry.

And Barky will also be a “thing” of the past. Dems are very unforgiving of their LOSERS, just ask John Kerry.

McCain/Palin ’08
Hillary ’12!!!

Exactly, yo. That is what this site is about and I have the right to disagree with you and Matthew. This is a REPUBLICAN WOMAN. Maybe you don’t remember what they said about Hillary, but I do. No Republican has ever stood in Hillary’s defense. Gov. Palin can fight her own battles and on her own terms. Leave Hillary alone!

Republican women have been the worst offenders and they love Sarah. Let them do for her what many of us have tried to do for Hillary for years and maybe next time they will think about it before they repeat lies about Hillary. She won’t attack Gov. Palin in a sexist way and she will fight McCain on issues. She will not trash Sen. McCain’s character or demean anyone. She never has.

I agree.

I am not a troll and “perceived whine” is still an insult. It’s a stretch to say that someone’s complaints are being perceived as whining but you’re not calling them a whiner. She was placing the onus for the perception on Clinton.

Update:

I agree with Matthew and Comment by MaryPat | 2008-09-06 01:20:06.

It’s not about Obama, it’s about being the right thing to do.

I disagree. It is because of Hillary Clinton losing to Barack Obama, but more because of Barack Obama himself that Sarah Palin is McCain’s VP. Hillary called attention to gender bias. It is now, in the minds of many people, equally as important as racism (unfortunately, few of those people are Democrats now.)

People can now vote against Obama and not feel guilty about it. They have a candidate who is new, exciting and represents change. That doesn’t have much to do with Hillary, but her running brings a lot of bitter voters into play.

Lochos, your statement attacking the previous posters brains, or lack thereof, reminds me of the BOts. In the same way I will not endorse the nasty behavior of the Bots or the MSM or the DNC or BO’s campaign, I will not endorse it in PUMA’s. The rabid, herd mentality of the BOts was hateful in the extreme. They are now paying the price. So if you want to talk about brains, stop and think – why would you attack a PUMA? We are stronger than that – there is no need to belittle another’s view. In fact, that is one of the things so admirable about PUMA – we leave each other the room to make our own decisions – vote McCain/Palin, don’t vote for President, vote for a third party, write in Hill. The one unifying theme is NO BO, NO WAY!

PUMA!

You are not Hillary! Hillary has had to work too hard to wear glass slippers. Sarah Palin and the Republicans can fight for themselves. If you really ever supported Hillary, you wouldn’t be asking more of her than she has already given.

Nancy Wilson these days looks like someone dumped a bag of flour on Oprah.

I don’t even recognize the regulars. They have gone from bashing Obama to belittling Palin in the name of Hillary. RISE HILLARY RISE went out in June.

That seems to be consistent these days. Maybe some people think Obama will get rid of Biden and ask Hillary to be his VP after all. I can’t think why else Hillary would be relevant now.

I’m glad Jeremiah can still be respectful and I’m going to try and follow suit. Respectively speaking, Hillary is more “grown up” than you Matthew.

Will you be happy if she lies down on a cross and allows the nails to be hammered into her hands? Maybe she should lay her head on the block and let the executioner chop it off for Gov. Palin?

I am amazed. It is the second week in Sept and two weeks after the Democratic Party nominated Obama and Hillary is still the topic of most of the comments on noquater. Let’s see. She has been trashed by Republicans for two decades, the media and Obama for more than a year. Now it is the so-called Hillary supporters who are trashing her and telling her what to do and what to say.

Gov. Palin is not a woman I would support for any office under other circumstances although I plan to vote for McCain in order to defeat the DNC and Obama. I’m beginning to smell a different flavored koolaid. Someone I never heard of until a little over a week ago and who, as far as I can tell, is a polar opposite to Hillary and you think Hillary should do what for her? Nothing much. Just sacrifice her future and her dreams and her plans and her chance to run for president again.

Thank you so much, Thinker. That was eloquent.

great post

does locho get it?!

My thoughts exactly. Hillary is being used on this site as a whipping toy. We are taking the Repubs bait. They are already thinking about Clinton v. Palin in 2012.

I hope Larry Johnson comes out and makes a statement-NO MORE HILLARY BASHING ON THIS SITE!

I want to place an order for my shirt now, please.

educatedwhitewoman go to River Daughter and watch the video for yourself.

Matthew,
Give Hillary a break. She’s taken enough heat this election cycle and stood up to it. This is NOT her fight and she does (IMHO) NOT need to stand up for Palin. Palin and the Republicans can fight their own battles. I don’t like the smears and attacks against Palin anymore than you do, even given the fact she, Palin, doesn’t represent many of my values or world view. I’m going to stand up for equal rights and against misogyny with my vote. I think that’s more effective anyway.

Hillary is not going to be lured into a girl fight with Palin. She’s so much smarter – and politically savvy – than that.

Until Hillary is asked straight out to respond to the media and Obama supporters’ treatment of Palin, I think it’s probably best she stay below the radar.

I mean, can’t be pissing obamarama’s minions off just in case he implodes and we need a new candidate.

Plus, besides being tactless and snarky, most of the crap circulating probably can’t be easily tracked back to his campaign.

And whose fault will that be, Shine my shoes? You can’t lay that at Hillarys feet.

Hillary showed her strength by staying in the primary race until the end and by winning the last 7 out of 10 primaries.

If Hillary comes out for Palin, the Repubs will use it against her in 2012.

The plan is to get Hillary into office in 2012. I’ll repeat-The repubs are already thinking Clinton v. Palin in 2012.

I want Hillary to win in 2012. Palin, apparently can defend herself and doesn’t need Hillary do it for her.

Stop bashing Hillary.

We are the dissenting opinions, Yo. This is still an open blog and no one here has used profanity or threats. Just differing opinions. Let Matthew defend himself too.

John McCain never trashed Hillary that I can remember. I remember him not saying anything to that woman in North Carolina who called her the “b” word, but I watched that tape over and over again, and I thought he just looked dumbfounded at the remark and didn’t know what to say. If you have personal boundaries that you don’t expect others like you to cross, and then they do, sometimes your reaction is almost a brain paralysis, you are so shocked. It happened to me years ago when someone I considered a friend came out with some really racist remarks at a social function we attended together, and while I can remember his comments almost verbatim, I cannot for the life of me remember the rest of the evening, how I got away from him, nothing else.

Anyway, McCain has always spoken of Hillary with great admiration and respect as a woman and a Senator, and, I believe, a friend. Hillary will do the right thing here. Her grace and dignity will prevail, and don’t forget, she has once again been put between a rock and a hard place by Obama on the one side calling her out as a Democrat and people like us on the other side calling her out as a woman.

As my cute 18 month daughter would say… cuckoo… Remember “God Damn America?” That was Reverend Wright of the United Trinity Church of Christ, not Mullah Wright of the United Mosque of Allah! You don’t have to be muslim to hate America, and plenty of muslims love America. Like Anoush Ansari or Fareed Zakaria for example.

Well said Elise. I fully agree with you, Jeremiah, and Lochos. Leave Hillary alone and let her get on with the work she has to do so she can run again in 2012. And frankly if the Republican Party hadn’t trashed both the Clintons for over a decade I doubt if the media, Barry and his Bots, and the DNC would have been able to sling so much misogyny and sexism.

Dan, what about Russia and Georgia? Or maybe we are the only nation which can ignore sovereignty? What about China and Tibet? What about Venezuela and Columbia? What about Israel and Lebanon? What about Germany and Hungary?

Your argument is full of fallacy and history proves it. That’s why the UN was established and since our government continually ignores the Charter, other countries will also.

Thank you Nopers, I agree.

Holy cow . . . I can’t take the time now to read all these comments, but . . .

as a gender-aware Wellesley woman myself, I _know_ Hillary is disgusted by what’s done to Palin . . .

even though for the sake of serving the public in future she hasn’t yet spoken . . .

just as I am _sure_ both Clintons see right through that disgustingly phony Obama . . .

even though, for the sake of the serving the public in future, they put on a show at Denver . . .

Damn . . . why don’t people see her brilliant effectiveness instead of getting stuck thinking she’s a self-serving bitch for not sacrificing all of her potential? It is especially crucial that she avoid weighing in on something (even something vile) Obama’s campaign puts out about Palin, to avoid get crucified as the racist cause of Obama’s downfall . . . It might be nice, you know, to not have our Joan of Arc burned at the stake ever . . .

Besides, this magnanimously allows those other dems, like Biden, chances to show that they’re not _always_ oblivious to misogyny . . . instead of makin’ ‘em look bad in comparison. : )

It would be different if there weren’t millions of people out to crucify Hillary . . . and if no one else were defending Palin . . . then, I’d agree with you . . . but there _are_ millions just waitin’ to crucify her if she gives them the chance . . . and Wolfson and McCain and others are defending Palin just fine without _needing_ Hillary to jump in . . .

Sheesh.

I’ll take both a shirt and a cap, and how ’bout a purse and a button?

Give me a break, Matthew. This is Clinton’s moment all right: to do what she needs to do so she can run in 2012. It’s up to US to say no to misogyny and sexism in the voting booth.

Clinton also needs to be aware of the sexism on the part of Obama and the DNC.
If she totally turns a blind eye to it she will have problesms.

Yes Clinton is in a really tough spot.

Silence is Hillary Clinton’s only real option. Whatever she actually says will be used against her and Palin and any other woman seeking equal status as a human being in our world. I am far more scared that she will be asked to prove her loyalty to Obama by joining in the sexist attacks – and if she attacks Palin’s self evidently nutjob views on creation, abortion, climate change etc without resorting to lews sexist insult she will be found wanting by the Obots. If she does, she will be judged to have authorised the very attacks on her which discredited the democrats this year.

So – silence (even though it is being interpreted against her, as Sir Thomas More’s silence was interpreted against him back in Henry 8th’s England) is her only possible option. And it’s a bad one too. That’s what it means to be demonised and excluded and allowed to live only on sufferance – that’s what has been done to Hillary Clinton, and all women, by the Obots’ misogyny.

Why is everything about Hillary, Matthew? Has this entire country completely lost it’s collective mind? I’m a little confused here. Larry Johnson wrote something after the convention about this site being open to those who supported McCain, Obama or third party candidates.

In two months we will chose the person who will be president for the next four years and the choices are pretty pathetic, but it’s what we are left with, but you, apparently, still want to make it about Hillary.

I wonder whatever happened to Techdude and Texasdarlin?

They just faded away, didn’t they? Was the COLB posted on dailykos forgery or was it real? Was Obama born in Hawaii or Kenya? Does he or did he have a dual citizenship with Indonesia and did he ever go by the name, Barry Soetoro?

If my memory serves, one day you were here, Matthew, claiming Techdude was not who he said he was and the document posted on dailykos was not a fraud. A few days later, Techdude and Texasdarlin were gone. Now there is a lawsuit charging more of less the same things Texasdarlin claimed.

I also seem to remember her site being crashed. I’m just trying to get a handle on things here so forgive me if I am wrong and it was a different Matthew. I’m just trying to find some logic in a post trashing Hillary again and that is what you are doing. Because the way I see it, the only person who might benefit from Hillary being trashed is….. Barack Obama. And the DNC, of course. She isn’t a threat to McCain.

Ok, I think I’ve got it now. Never mind.

Clinton needs to take care of CLINTON.

Everyone else can just go fuck themselves.

Sarah Palin doesn’t need Clinton’s help, and Barack Obama, if he tries to call on Clinton to go after the meanie-weanie woman for him, looks like a whiney wuss.

Clinton needs to help some Senators get elected–that way they’ll OWE her in four years time. It’s all about debts and markers in this game.

YOU ARE CORRECT. Palin did not call hillary a whiner

I am getting annoyed at these cheap dig at Hillary for this or that. Not an American first? Have some respect. She’s a Democrat and she will work for the party for the next two months. If she had lost all hopes for her party, she would have gone independent by now.

Sarah can take care of herself. Quit making her into a helpless victim. She was attacked and she kicked back swiftly, and didn’t sustain serious harm. Remember she said Clinton was too whiny months ago. Sarah hasn’t needed to whine yet with her GOP gang looking out for her interest. It’s Obama, the nominal head of the party, who needs to reign in his loonies. Hillary has no control over them.

Lochos: This is a republican website. as far as posters go.

The Republicans have trashed Hillary for 16 years and were waiting for her to be knocked out of the race completely. How relieved they must have been when she wasn’t picked for VP. It was only then I heard of Palin’s name.

If Hillary feels she can speak out then I was with her. If she feels she cannot then I am with her also. I will NOT judge Hillary. It is her decision and I respect whatever decision she makes.

That is absolutely absurd.

I think it would be classy of Hillary to say the race has changed now with a woman VP, and she would like to focus more on the downticket Dems.

Why don’t you send her one of Palin’s pistols and tell her to shoot herself with it Hope Floats? Weren’t you using the same reference Keith Olbermann used against Hillary on a comment a few days ago? Oh. I remember the teen flick about a bitch running for class president. The Election, right?

I have a question. How many Hillary supporters watch that vile person’s show let alone, repeat and agree with something he said about Hillary? Any body else here watch Countdown?

It’s time to nail everyone not willing to come out of the closet on this blog. Hypocrisy should not be tolerated. If you support someone and present yourself as someone else, you are here to create distention. In other words; you are a troll. You and Matthew are not discussing issues, you are not attacking Obama or McCain. You are attacking Hillary and cloaking it in assumed outrage over sexism.

My husband said Hope Floats is a teen movie too. He also told me this story he had read about WW ll. It’s about a man with no name. The Alies wanted the Germans to believe they were going to land north of Normandy. They took the body of an unidentified man, handcuffed him to an attache and shot him out though a torpedo tube toward the French coast. Inside the attache, they placed documents of detailed plans to invade up the beach. The Germans found the body, opened the attache and prepared for attack, but in the wrong place. Sometimes deception works and sometimes it doesn’t.

LaMusing,
Unfortunately, there have been posters, including front page posters who do not follow the direction you speak of and push the their opinion, which is only vote for McCain/Palin, any other vote enables Obama to be President.

As far as Hillary coming out to defend Palin, come on. I didn’t see McCain out there defending Hillary and I didn’t see Palin either. In fact, I saw a condescending video on the “perceived whine” from Palin.

I agree.

Matthew–you wrote a very interesting piece and by the comments below your post, you really stirred things up. In fact, this whole election has turned things upside down and inside out which is GREAT! But let’s think–

Throwing in my two cents–I was an independent when I first came to no quarter, I originally liked Obama but when I saw how Hillary was attacked and stood up, I thew my support for her. I was NOT a big McCain fan and would have voted for him in protest. But, the more I learned about him, the more I liked him.

I have been reading the O blogs, the R blogs and this blog for several months. I can tell you that the women that I know in the GOP were incensed by the sexist attacks against Hillary and have said so openly there. Women make up a HUGE voting block, period. Very few women, Democrat, Republican and Independent alike can tolerate sexism because we LIVE IT. What we do or don’t do for another woman will change our lives, regardless of party.

This being said, I don’t think Hillary should get involved. The attacks on Sarah are being met by the fairness of the American people and there has been a HUGE backlash against those hypocrites and the Obama campaign who fed into it. Truthfully, I would rather that Hillary sat this one out as well as Geraldine Ferraro, however, I understand that they have to lend support to their party. I DONT–not because of my party affiliation but because I see what’s happening here.

This election is about changing everything. I now truly believe that McCain and Palin will tear into that big pig of a budget, the earmarks, the waste, the corruption and I am now enthusiastically throwing my support for that effort.

I also believe this election is about uniting–uniting women, Democrat, Republican and Independent alike. We are a POWERFUL block and, although there is a diversity of political views, we have to stand together. I do believe that’s happened, we are united in that way. So, hurray for this big ole argument in the first place.

Let’s not allow those manipulative creeps to divide us against each other. Let Hillary do what she feels she’s gotta do, only she knows what that is. We can have Sarah’s back if we need to, I think we already have. Personally, it doesn’t matter. I own my vote and I will not support Obama. Furthermore, I will not waste my vote by voting for Nader or writing in a name. I will cast my vote for McCain so he will WIN and that will tell them all far more than a mere thrown away vote that they will mock once they are in office. (If Obama WINS, what do you think those little twerps will do when they count the protest votes? They will laugh with amusement at the PUMA.)

I own my vote and it is going directly for McCain. Without reservation, without one bit of pause. And when McCain WINS–a strong, competent warrior will be in the White House who will challenge EVERYTHING.

This is the year for change–let’s not let our differences in opinion divide us. By uniting, we will make sure our choices for individual freedoms will no longer be dismissed.

McCain-Palin 2008, Hillary 2012
PUMA

I don’t always completely agree with you, Jeremiah, but on this issue I completely agree.

I don’t think Hillary should defend Palin. But I DO think she should take this opportunity to attack the media and its reliance on sexism. The sexist media is vulnerable and over-exposed because of their attacks on Palin and if Hillary opened another front against them, they may finally, once and for all, be shamed into letting go of their sexist frames.

I posted a comment that did not sit well here, but I am going to say this a bit different and maybe you will “get it”. When one woman is attacked with a sexist remark – ALL WOMEN ARE ATTACKED. EVERY WOMAN AND THAT INCLUDES HILLARY – that are in positions of power or “celebrity” should come out and call the press on it just like the REPUBLICAN FEMALE LEADERS DID. Here is the big finish – WEREN’T WE ALL PISSED THAT BRAZILLA, PELOSI, N.O.W, MICHELLE OBAMA, AND ANY OTHER PROMINENT WOMAN DID NOT COME OUT TO PROTEST THE DOUBLE STANDARDS ABOUT SEXISM VS RACISM AND FOR THESE GOOD OLD BOYS TO STOP IT? This isn’t about Palin not needing help people – this is about ALL WOMEN. HELL, I am an avid DO NOT KILL ANIMALS PERSON and I am voting for Palin/McCain because the other side doesn’t respect me on that issue alone.

Hillary should not be drawn into the fight. However her supporters and surrogates in the primary can and some of them (like Howard Wolfson) have already pointed to the sexist attacks and said that they are inappropriate.

yes, stand up and vote for mccain

an election isn’t a shouting match…

its about making a choice…

and getting one’s buttocks to the polls…

calling for Hillary’s blood isn’t going to do america or women any good…

take a look around… ask yourself who do you think needs to step up next?

you? your local elected politician? anyone else?

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

She did. Her aides issued a statement that the sexism displayed towards Palin was inexcusable and unacceptable.

Hillary was the first dem to congratulate Palin on her nomination and the only dem …as per her aides to condemn the sexist attacks on her.

This has nothing to do with protection or/and defense. Women (and Men) doesn’t need to be protected. They need rights.That’s all. And Hillary has to stand up for her points of view as well as Obama. They both are accountable as the same of the rest of human beings are accountable too. Said this I don’t think Hillary has to fight EVERY fight on the earth. People have to live their owns lives and they cannot ask for the leader that she does ALL and fight ALL. This is simply impossible. And wrong. She’s a leader, not Superwoman/man.

Ever since Obama came on the scene, sexism has elevated to the point where it is out of control. Almost all of the sexism is coming out of the Obama supporters and the Obama media. Why is this the case?

People are scared to death to be called racist. One misplaced word and they can lose their job or be branded as racist. Obama supporters feel they are on some kind of moral high ground just because they are supporting a black man and therefore are exempt from being racist (however, supporting Obama just because he is black is racist). Therefore they feel they are allowed to wallow in sexism without criticism since they have claimed the moral high ground.

How many times have you heard people say “I am not racist but I don’t support Obama”? I have heard it or read it a thousand times. How many times have you heard people say “I am not sexist but I don’t support Clinton”? I’ve never heard anyone say that.

I fail to see why Clinton is supposed to pick up Obama and drag him across the finish line but should not speak out against the widespread sexism that is being peddled by the Obama media and his supporters.

The Democratic party made a huge mistake by selecting a dirty Chicago hack politican and Clinton is making a mistake by not distancing herself from him.

So you’re into blanket indictments of entire classes of people , no matter the relevence to the individual concerned?

Why would someone from Alaska embroiled in battle after battle fighting corruption in all sectors of her State’s governement defend Hillary? And when are you expecting this defense? In the 1990s when she was in the PTA? How do you that she didn’t? Do you think CNN has a reporter in Alaska waiting for the locals to make statment about Hillary Clinton?

I’m not saying Hillary should do this or that.. all I’m saying is, it’s pretty baseless to lay the sins of other people at the feet of someone who had nothing to do with them.

I agree, Jeremiah. There are enough people coming to Palin’s defense. She does not have to take a public position on this at this point in time.

The video you watched was her answer to a question a reporter asked her. THe clever people who edited the video interestingly left out the bulk of the question.

I suspect the reporter brought up the “whining” and asked her to comment on it. That sounds like a question a dippy reporter would make.

It wouldn’t surprise me that they edited the video that way so that the impression is out there that Palin thinks Hillary whines.

We just witnessed one of the most massive disinformation campaigns last week… we should skepitical of all media that we watch and be alert for manipulation.

I fail to see why Clinton is supposed to pick up Obama and drag him across the finish line

Obama is too much of a wuss to take a stand or fight his own battles.

He couldn’t even tell that arrogant Detroit Mayor to step down for 6 mos UNTIL the prosecutor finally nailed him with a felony conviction and then he said he thought it was time for him to step down (huh?). That’s not the leadership I want.

Obama wants Hillary to take the heat. He can’t handle it.

Hillary decided to take the old “If you can’t beat em join em” politics as usual go along to get along route. I don’t care one way or the other what Hillary does any more. The day she hobbled her husband and would not let him come out against skanky Obama she cut her own throat(Politically). She turned out to be a coward and let the black nationalist run all over her. The day when this entire DNC bunch of rabble goes down the tube can’t come soon enough.

That is what leaders do.

Ugo, another thing leaders do is pick the correct issues and the correct time to fight. Right now is not the time on this issue.

You only have to look at Joe Lieberman to see what a politician does who has true principles….he loves Israel as much if not more than the US. I deeply resent this but I also respect his belief. He has left the Democratic party over his core belief in rearranging the Middle East to protect Israel and he, a life-long liberal voting Democrat, is now supporting John McCain for president. If Hillary Clinton fails to follow principle over politics, she will always be a force in the party but she will hurt her presidential chances. One-half the party including all AA’s, thought the minute the Messiah appeared, YOUNG and AA and MALE, she should have stepped down. They will never forgive her for staying in the race and never understand her right to do so. That is true sexism and she should fight it…not for Palin but for us. Fight against the injustice and the theft of democracy perpetrated by those Democrats who thought Obama has all the rights and she has none by speaking out against it. PUMA

The Clintons have great political instincts and great advisors. When it is the right time, it will be done. We have to trust that they know what is best to do in this situation. I know I do.

Right. No one should have to appologize for who they are NOT voting for, be it a black man or a white woman or a political party.

I agree, this is not about Palin, it is about sexism. Hillary is the preeminent female politican in this country — she should be speaking out against sexism.

The Party is already destroyed. The Obama crowd has to be defeated with a huge defeat. That is where all of our time and enegy must be focused. Then we can go about rebuilding the Party or creating a new one. Hillary cannot get involved in this fight.

Actually, during the primaries, McCain did “defend” Hillary at least once, I recall. It was so remarkable, because NOBODY on the dems side did so.

Soemtimes you just have to do the right thing.

Colin Powell–I had respect for this man and probably would have voted for him if he had run for POTUS. But after he “sold” the war while inspectors were still on the ground pleading for more time…

Country before Party!

Elaine
For what it’s worth I do get it. I’m a single mom, small biz owner and been swimming upstream all my life. I desperately want women to stick together and collectively stop the bias and sexism. Just as M.A.D. collectively had a huge impact on their cause, as a society, we need the same regarding gender bias. For reasons I can’t quite figure out women are still fair prey in the media and it illustrates a fundamental lack of respect. For me this has less to do with politics and everything to do with what I’ve experience in my own life. At this point, I have a no-tolerance policy towards hateful, biased sexism. My claws immediately come out. It took some really low blows to take me to this position but I speak up and to hell with the consequences. Sometimes I benefit from my candor, sometimes not. Either way it’s ok. The cause is what’s important here. So for all those sisters out there, here’s someone who WILL give you a hand up.

Hillary Clinton’s staff already issued a statement that they believed that the media attacks on Palin were sexist.

Senator Clinton is campaigning for down ticket dems..the one Obama has forgotten about.

Just because Senator Clinton isn’t in the news, doesn’t mean she is not talking to someone somewhere. The media cherry picks everything. I have yet to hear on the news the recent implosion and further meltdown of freddie mac and fannie mae. The feds are planning to take over which means our tax dollars are going to cover their losses and the CEO of freddie mac gets to keep his multiple millions of bonuses given to himself.

Hillary’s push back against the deceivers and sexists in the media and Obama changed the hearts of a lot of conservatives, such as myself. I noticed the sexism right away. A lot of Sexism is lies .. and if it’s one thing conservatives can spot is when the media lies (because we’re usually the targets)

And then as the Marxism in Barry started to shine through … you would be surprised how many of us said to each other we would be relieved if Hillary won.. that at least Hillary didn’t hate the country.. that Hillary would not harm us militarily. etc.. it was from that ordeal that we were able to move past our opinion based from earlier episodes.

I hate to bring up Ann Coulter again.. but i watched a few of her appearances at colleges and she would be asked about her statements from TV where she said she would vote for Hillary before she would vote for McCain… and she would defend that statement. I’m almost positive she was sincere. it was bizarre for a lot of us conservatives to almost appreciate it if Hillary won.

Hillary is MUCH smarter than us. Hillary won’t defend Sarah Plain, but neither will she join in the personal attacks on her. In fact- I will bet a $100 bucks she will only stump against the portions of the Republican Platform she personally believes are the wrong direction for this country. She will speak for her principals and her vision for the country. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I’m sick of Hillary being blamed for everything. This post goes too far. Hillary has not attacked Sarah Palin in any way–and she won’t. Why is she expected, at this moment, to counter the whisper campaigns of the blogosphere? Give her a break! When she is out campaigning next week, I’ll bet she will address the media’s sexism. Just leave her be, for Christsakes!

“People are scared to death to be called racist”.

Obviously on this site there is no such fear. This a post with hundreds of comments on a post about the need to defend people against sexist remarks. Yet as far I could see not one person has mentioned the blatant racism of someone using the tag “shine my shoes Barky boy.” Simply disgusting.

[ADMINISTRATOR: I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, WHICH IS WHY I BANNED THE PERSON. IT IS A DISGUSTING USERNAME.]

Larry,

I read and post here because this is supposed to be a pro-Hillary blog. You make me think it over.

The Black people in this country have been HOODWINKED and BAMBOOZELED by Obama, he has always been a outsider, his formative years were spent in Indonesia living as a Muslim child, he doesn’t share any of the experiences of your youth. That is why he thinks we have 57 States, he didn’t go to 3rd Grade here. Just take a look at what Obama has done for the people of Chicago, nothing, he spent all of his energy promoting himself. Obama always talks about the War in Iraq but more people were Murdered in Chicago this summer than U.S. troops killed in Iraq. Obama helped all the crooks in Chicago rip off public housing money but the blacks still support him. This is like Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick was a liar and a thief but the Black voters still re-elected him. He will leave Office and go to jail for 120 days but still deflects any blame, he was railroaded he says, these are two men just looking to help themselves.

Gov Palin is quite capable of defending herself , as Hillary is. This isn’t about supporting or endorsing the opposition. It’s about being a leader and speaking out against sexism/misogny. When is the right time? Who is the right person?

actually, McCain DID defend Hillary

Please stop bashing Hillary. When she made the decision to support her political party, she did it because her heart is in the principles that they support. 70% of the democrats are moderates like her. Campaigns are dirty and she knows she can always fight again. Once the dust settles, the DNC will come to their senses and realize that far left is NOT going to work.

It is not Hillary’s desire to campaign for any republican. Hillary is a democrat who happens to be a woman. Palin is a republican who happens to be a woman. That is all there is to it.

The theory behind this post could be applied to all black democrats who do not support Condoleeza Rice. If you follow the logic in your post, then all black democrats should object when someone is criticizing Condi, regardless of the fact that she is supporting a war that they are against.

FUNNY. “Clinton needs to take care of Clinton”. That is exactly what she has been trying to do–even at all the other’s expense. That is why she has lost and will always be a loser. Her loyalty is only to herself. 2012? FORGET it.

Not to mention that in Palin’s opinion it a given that women have to work twice as hard and take more abuse then man, and Hillary shouldn’t whine about it.

maybe you should start speaking up against NOW for endorsing Obama?

maybe you should be asking them to do more?

especially since they are being drafted in by Obama to throw mud at Palin now…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Hill knows exactly what she is doing.

AGREED!!
If this site starts attacking Hillary…many of us will leave

btw…hi Matt from TPM….glad to see you again.

everyone needs to ask themselves how NOW has ended up endorsing Obama…

the sexist pig everyone knows he is…

who has single handedly taken america back 100 years…

and what can we do about it before they mention one word about what they think hillary needs to do…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Lochos you’ve captured every feeling that
I had upon reading Mathew’s post. Thank
you for saying so well what I could only
hope to!

have and will continue to do so

The thing that Hillary most has to worry about is that she doesn’t look as if Obama is telling her what to do, that she is just his patsy. I think she took care of this yesterday with this: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13193.html.

On the other hand, when the moment is right, and there will be a right moment, she needs to voice her views on the treatment of ALL women in the political arena.

If she starts stumping to “save” BO from Palin, it would destroy her following.

More importantly, it was no small mistake on BO’s part to allow his ego to get in the way of his choice for VEEP, and this says much about his much-touted (mostly his own touting) judgment — none of it good. Had he chosen HRC as his running mate, he wouldn’t be where he is right now, having to worry about Sarah Palin.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

Jere — Thank you for refocusing the real issue here. I appreciate your clarity and conviction. I’m with you. “Let Barack iron his own damm skirt.” LOL

It breaks my heart to read so many posts criticizing Hillary.

Not only did Palin and the GOP women not defend Clinton, Palin gave an interview calling Clinton a whiner.

“ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, in a video interview with Newsweek, posted on YouTube, discussed the coverage of Sen. Hillary Clinton. In an interview that appears to have taken place during the Democratic primary, Palin criticizes Clinton for her response to media scrutiny she received while on the campaign trail….”

Here’s the link to that interview;

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/did-palin-call.html

Note: many other sites that had linked to this youtube interview no longer have it available. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Actually, I believe you are wrong in taking this to Hillary.

Goddamn Amerikkka is right…it’s NOT politically intelligent for her to do so.

1)Let the media attack and blow their tops over Palin; the American public will see it.

2)Keep in mind that HIllary won ALL major primaries at the END of the campaign, in spite of obama’s sexism/misogynistic/racebaiting and all of his money. This means that with MORE sexism/misogynistic/racebaiting against Sarah, MORE AMericans will see it all for what it is.

NO, I think Hillary needs to do exactly what she’s doing.

LAYING LOW!!!!!

Get off her back, whether you “supported” her or not. I think this post is a bit out of place, and not because I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter.

No disrespect intended.

Two quick points;

On numerous occasions, I have heard Sean Hannity defending Hillary and also saying the sexist attacks were wrong and unwarranted. Even Ann Coulter has mentioned HRC deserved her respect . . . she did a whole column on “obama being selected not elected” which I commented on in my blog.

Also, I heard Palin’s comment about HRC; if you listen carefully I think you will find it wasn’t a slam against Hillary so much as it was an acknowledgment that bringing up misogyny by the media can be interpreted as whining.

Let’s face it, the worst offenders, like Chris Matthews, always says he’s not the sexist, and stop your whining.

Matthew great article, there is much to consider. I tend to look at this from the only point of view that I can know for sure, my own. I was a Democrat, for Senator Clinton, the party let me down, not Senator Clinton. I decided to vote for anyone but Obama, so to speak, but settled on Senator McCain, before he picked Gov. Palin.

I wonder what obligation Senator Clinton has to her party, as it doesn’t seem to be the party it was prior to 18 months ago. Supporting the unknown extreme, will not necessarily get someone elected. No thinking politician is going to risk a lifetime career, for a “possible” 4 year stint, of an unknown from a party which turned on itself.

Also I think with the length of Senator Clinton’s career and experience, she understands what can be lost if she goes out on a limb for Obama. She can make political arguments on behalf of the Demcorats vs. the Republicans, on issues, beyond that she has much to risk in future elections either way if she hammers Senator Palin in relation to being a woman(which I do not see Senator Clinton doing),this can be used against her again, should she run in 2012; it wouldn’t be smart to take a woman apart based on the fact she is a woman, if you are a woman yourself planning to run, Senator Clinton is smarter, much smarter than that. IF she remains a Democrat(which she has) she is obligated to her party, to what degree? IS this a behind the curtain attempt to force Senator Clinton to fight on behalf of Senator O, for the means of reducing her debt? You notice, he never pushed much for anyone to help her. My conclusion:
Senator Obama had no intention of helping Senator Clinton ever, but is more than happy to take from her, her supporters, her volunteers, and her time to further his cause.
HE gave nothing in return, and continued to let his supporters and campaign bash her, hell even up to today.
If Obama loses, he loses everything, his future, Senator Clinton, lost the primary(stolen, yes-but here we are), Obama is the candidate, if he F-up this GE he has no further career, as he is now seen and will forever been considered to be a sexist, divisive candidate, the one who brought down the D-party, and all those associated with him.

Last I checked Senator Biden was the V.P. candidate, he should be the one going after Gov Palin, ala debates; if there is no intention of being above board on this, then the candidate calls out the troops, in this case meaning Democratic women; which will harm the careers of these women forever, should they bite at attacking on the side of the sexist apple. He has already alienated AA population against one another as well with this false need to be supportive based on ethnicity, he will use gender the same way.

Anyone whom remains democrat by political affiliation is in danger of losing their seat, whatever it is, anyone who is a supporter is also in danger of being associated with a party of people who
encouraged the behavior of the O campaign and the DNC. I’m not saying that’s right, but it is realistically how people are viewing what has happened, much like what happened to the Republicans after 2000, 2004. There is much to lose, when O loses.
I believe many politicians will do the minimal to show support for the Democratic Candidate, beyond that survival will kick in, as election day nears. The most important lesson for both parties in the past decade

-blind faith will surely get you killed-

My party loyalty ended, when my party stopped being faithful to core issues and their base. I’m not obligated to them, they were obligated to me and all other who were once Democrats. They should have looked at our votes as Democratic votes, not AA votes, women’s votes, young votes, old votes. They divided us, so what have they conquered?

Quote from Hillary Clinton’s Facebook:
I just want to take a moment and say how disgusted I am at the sexism the Obama campaign supporters are showing towards Sarah Palin

Stop trashing Hillary!

Thinker,

I don’t just get it, I live among the hate. I’m AA and I can tell you right now it’s freakin unbelieveable!

I will NEVER forgive Barack 0bama for having done this. AAs are so emotional over this biracial fraud’s candidacy it’s despicable. And he has no shame about it. Neither he nor Michelle are the least bit concerned nor have they apologized.

You all are mad because Hillary won’t speak up for Sarah, a Republican. Well what about Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Edwards, Dodd, Leahy, and all the othe Democrats who have sat back and let the Clintons be labeled racists without stepping in to say: “now wait a minute?”

I will NEVER give any of these people my vote again. And I will do everything in power to persuade people to do the same.

When Hillary lost the nomination, my theme song became: “We’ve Only Just Begun.” I want McCain to win, but no matter who wins, I want to work with any and everybody to get rid of these people. I want to see Chicago style racial politics exterminated from the political process.

And that goes for sexism too.

Thank God the Republicans are circling the wagons around Sarah. It leaves us former Democrats to work on purging these people and 0bama from the Party, or starting a new one.

But you know, I’m not fooled. All this criticism at Hillary is just a backhanded way of trying to goad her into campaigning against 0bama and for McCain. Some of you still can’t reconcile the fact that she cannot do that for reasons of her own career, she still is a Democratic Senator with responsibilities to the citizens of NYS, and because of the legacy of her husband’s presidency.

Lest we forget, the Clintons have a daughter, who has to live long after the 2 of them are gone, with their parents choices. Chelsea has already had to live with the burden of Monica Lewinsky and the Clinton-hatred. You’re asking them to condemn their daughter to live with the racist title for the rest of her life as well just to make you all happy.

It’s not like Clinton can add anything that hasn’t been said at the moment in defense of Palin. And I seriously doubt, that Palin would do the same if the situations were reverse. These are politicians we’re talking about, not gods – excuse me, goddesses.

And one more thing:

0bama and Michelle are NEVER going to apologize.

I hope you all realize that.

It’s up to us to do something about that. Instead of having this dialogue, we should use the advantage we have while this guy is shilling for votes, and put this on the table.

Hey 0bama, Michelle, I condemn you for portraying the Clintons as racists and lying about it. And you’ve yet to apologize.

YOU WILL NOT GET MY VOTE!

I think she stood pretty damned tall, considering she stood alone, with all the screaming heads of her own party and the media, at her non-stop. Sorry, I’m not so easily influenced as to be disappointed by a candidates inability to stop the media and her own party from trashing her.

i think you have made a good point…

then the candidate calls out the troops, in this case meaning Democratic women; which will harm the careers of these women forever, should they bite at attacking on the side of the sexist apple.

so true… the morning after Palin’s convention speech i turned on the tv and saw 3 women on the larry king show spouting the most appalling sexist shite i have ever heard in my life…

1 woman was a congresswoman 1 was a “consultant” who had actually worked for clinton some time ago… and one was a talk show host…

in any case, i think you make a good point but the reality is that we are way beyond on rational discussion about what the democratic party should do or needs to say… it is so far gone that it needs to be cleaned out with hillary as the leader or simply put out of its misery…

He has already alienated AA population against one another as well with this false need to be supportive based on ethnicity, he will use gender the same way.

yes, again this has already happened to the rest of american society… NOW endorsed a sexist monster that has taken back america 100 years… what do we do with the leadership of NOW???

same with the gay rights group that endorsed Obama… there is a youtube clip of the president of this group, cant remember the name… where he gives hillary the most amazing introduction, i mean i had tears in my eyes… and mentions how nobody has done anything even remotely close to what hillary did for them…

and then they end up endorsing Obama… who wouldn’t attend the Chicago gay pride parade this year and wouldn’t have his photo taken with the straight mayor of san francisco and who has homophobic morons on his campaign website and at rallies and events spouting crazy shit…

and you guys are blathering on and on about what hillary needs to do?

for fucks sake people pull your head out of your ass…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

I knew it i knew it i knew it.

I said since the day those videos apperaaed here , that the videos were edited so that it could be seen as if the Gov was calling her whining.. because they chopped off the questions she was asked

That doesn’t do anyone any good. Unless we burn this DNC to the ground, Hillary and Bill cannot take over again. Hillary will do better under a McCain presidency. That nasty immature Obama and his nasty spiteful wife will freeze her out.
You need to vote AGAINST Obama if you live in a state that’s up for grabs. If you live in a red or blue state, your choice is easier.
I’m voting for McKinney.

Of course Palin cannot hold a candle to Clinton, either can Obama or McCain or Biden.
But Donna Brazille wants you to stay home.

Thank you! Who was backing Hillary up?

She made like one comment about bias and they called her a whiner.

The press is trying to defend themselves against charges of bias, because they don’t see it. Well, I’ve yet to see ONE reporter ask 0bama or Michelle about the accusations they leveled at the Clintons calling them racist.

When a reporter asks them those questions and why would they want racists campaigning for them, then I’ll say the coverage has been fair.

Sarah’s lucky. The Republican establishment came out in full force to protect her. And she also had what happened to Hillary as a precedent to make a strong case for the msm sexism.

But I guess in you people’s minds, Hillary must be a super-hero with magical powers.

Grow up!

Beautifully said.

*****A

No my friend, with every post you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are an irrelevant douchebag who believes in the tooth fairy or that black crime is a threat to whites as the corporate media always wants us to believe thru their sinister crime coverage, even though whites are the LEAST likely to be victims of violent crime and don’t even have the lowest crime rate.

The DNC did indeed betray the Clintons and the reason for which I don’t know why. Perhaps as MSNBC’s Chuck Todd suggested, the Clintons were too powerful and the rest of the leadership simply got jealous.

But women like Nancy Pelosi are “bros before ho’s” feminists, which frankly is far better than the GOP’s fellatio feminists.

Obama used race as a trojan horse to savage both Clinton–and he never would have succeeded if the corporate media and the GOP wasn’t backing him up each and every step of the way. Once painted as a racist, Hillary was vulnerable to character attacks as well as gender baiting–within the democratic party itself, much less the general electorate. This is what happened and this is why Pelosi and so many democratic women overlooked the sexism against Hillary. They simply bought into Obama’s scurrilous race-baiting and accordingly saw HiIllary as a racist white bitch. Who in their right mind would defend a racist?!?

The corporate media isn’t liberal douchebag, it’s corporate. Liberal media doesn’t obsess over black crime or Britney, Lindsay or Paris–only wolf in sheep’s clothing corporate media does. If you want liberal media, then go to Canada or western Europe. Or read Mother Jones or The Nation.

If Senator Clinton is forced or willingly goes out on a limb for Obama, she will be in the same position as Senator MCCain was in 2000. I do not recall McCain doing anything other than a few minor stumps for George W back then, and those attempts of support were clearly halfhearted.

It’s the old: “it’s the rape victim’s fault she got raped,” condemnation.

Say, isn’t that sexist?

Nope, her remarks were not helpful to Hillary.

Maverick refers to being unbranded, not stupid.

I support Hillary all the way and will defer to her best judgment. (Though I will not vote for Obama.) I do hope that she will find an opportunity to state publicly that she deplores the sliming of the Palin children. She has been there with Chelsea, and she can make such a statement without in any way casting it in political terms.

I don’t want to hear ovaries or vagina or anything again. Enough.
Sarah Palin has more than her sex in common with Hillary. They are both strong women in power reviled by a supposedly progressive media.
I’m a vegetarian and a major feminist and there is very little I agree with Sarah Palin about, but the media treatment of her was awful BECAUSE SHE WAS FEMALE, and I need to denounce that.
Plenty of right wing men hold her beliefs, but they are not called beauty queens and that shit.
I’m a feminist first and a democrat about 18th now, because I reject Dean/reid/pelosi/brazille et al.
If you can point to examples of us NQ regulars giving political equivalence to Palin and Clinton, please do so. I think you will find few of us are anything but loyal Clinton supporters, which is why we are here on a saturday morning, instead of mowing the lawn.

Sarah hasn’t had to say a word in her own defense.

How is that standing on principal? People are protecting her.

This post is giving the Botheads what they want. An end to Hillary.

Besides, even though I’m voting McCain, I’m not a Republican. I disagree with their ideology. I want healthcare. Sarah’s not going to get me that. She’s a means to an end and I haven’t lost sight of that.

And yes, as a voter, I will always condemn when a woman has been unfairly treated with sexism. But I’m not confused about my own personal ideology.

Apparently, a lot of you are.

There’s a difference between being anti-0bama and pro-Republican and I am definitely the former.

The term CATFIGHT is sexist.Remember Barky with “the claws come out”?
Sure attack Palin – on the issues – but no one is doing that. They are demanding DNA to “prove” her damned baby is hers!
That’s SEXIST, not to mention sick.

We can quibble with whether we agree with what she said or not but at least let’s quote correctly: Palin said “perceived to be whining”…

My take: Leave HRC OUT of this, and leave her alone. She knows what she is doing. Give her some credit, please !!

EXACTLY!!! HOPE, I recognize you and I know you recognize me. Who the Hell are these “Palin doesn’t hold a candle to Hillary” types”?

OF COURSE SHE DOESN’t…BUT SHE’S GETTING BARKY ALL TWISTED…GOD BLESS HER.

Bashing Sarah Palin doesn’t help me or Hillary.

Michelle Obama makes a sexist remark against Palin’s newly born downs baby:

Five days after Obama said families are off limits, Michelle Obama feels it necessary to tell us all that the Obama’s will not have anymore kids because the “presidential race is enough additional responsibility”.

any of you clowns want to tell michelle what she should be doing?

after all she is your potential first lady…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

I know. Wha’s up with that?

And it’s amazing that people still insist that Hillary can run as Independent.

Get this you LOW INFORMATION VOTERS:

She can’t get on the ballot in many states. It’s too late! Each state has their own rules and regulations. And her 18 million votes are not enough to win the WH.

Do the math people. It’s a much better strategy to wait this out.

It’s a good thing none of you all are running for POTUS. Putin, Jong, Ahjmadinejad would eat your lunch and the US would be screwed.

I totally get what you’re saying Matthew, and quite frankly, my husband and I have said the same thing all week. Where is Hillary, and what is her response to this?
As someone who suffered at the hand of this man, BO, I find it ironic that she should sit back in silence now. I believe with all my being that there is a place at the table for Hillary (and Bill) in a McCain Presidency. I do not believe after November, after BO has used her as much as possible that there will be any place for the Clinton’s in an Obama administration. I have awaken to the smell of the coffee and it is high time the Clintons AND her supporters do to. We no longer have any friends in the upper tier of the DNC (Dean/Nancy Church). Character counts, and truly standing up for Americans is what we are all desperately seeking in our leaders. If Hillary does not distance herself from Obama and the DNC at this moment in history, and just be an American first, then she will have no hope of carrying any weight in 2012.
She promised to fight for us, well, we’re still here Hillary, and we will have your back if you do the right thing.

Jeriamiah I understood what you meant. Some people here are extremely vested in their ideology and cannot seperate themselves from their dreams of 1968 to hear from other points of view.

no, the hurricane was a gift from God for the dems…according to Don Fowler.

Great point Ana! Great point!

Where indeed were Republican women? And that includes Gov. Sarah Palin.

and then she should just say, “he’s nice enough”

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

This is Obama’s election to lose, unfortunately. After the way the O! campaign attempted to trash the Clinton legacy, they don’t owe him the time of day. After the 527s hit Barack, he’ll understand “vast rightwing conspiracy” a little better after he’s on the receiving end over the next two months & becomes the footnote he deserves to be.
No matter what Senator Clinton does or doesn’t do she can’t save his sorry ass & she’ll get nitpicked by the peanut gallery either way. Best for her to stay above the fray as the amateur hour unfolds. Democrats blew their chance by allowing themselves to be culturally blackmailed – they can spend the next four years doing the post-mortem & then hopefully they will figure out they need to run legitimate national security candidates with a common touch.

I’ve seen a lot of commenters here implying that we should support Oblahlah because Palin said this or that or the she called HRC a whiner and that she is not Clinton. More shifty-ass irrelevancy from the botnation.

I am an HRC supporter. I thought she was the best candidate for POTUS. There were other Democrats running who were also qualified, yet not a one of them is the nominee either.

Since the Democrats have nominated a Plastic Gasbag, I will now vote for the most qualified of the two remaining-McCain. Palin is not running for the top job. This is no longer about who did what to whom, when. This is about who becomes POTUS.

HRC will be back, hopefully in 2012, and I will be glad to call myself one of her supporters.

Uh uh Dan, you’re confusing a few utopians.

Hillary has spoken out! During the primary she
called attention to the sexism in the media.
We all know that for doing so she took many HITS
for it. From both men and women. But, by her
courage and brava performance throughtout the
discussion is on the table! She won the respect
of even her “political enemies”. Surprisingly,
it was Democrats, both women and men, who left
Hillary to twist in “winds of misogyny”. True,
her campaign made some mistakes but, like the
“winner” that she is, she dug down deep within
and made the necessary adjustments.
Gov. Palin even thought Hillary’s remarks to be
…”perceived as whinning”. Well, now because of
Sen.Hillary Rodham Clinton she gets to campaign
and have just about every Republican “on camera”
address the issue on her behalf! Even sometimes
when it does NOT apply. She should be answering
questions on issues and policy matters for
the nation on major media outlets, that my view.

Hillary has paved the way for Gov. Palin. Taken
the “body shots” and will not attack her per-
sonally when out campaigning.
I contacted my members of congress about the
sexist attacks on Gov. Palin. Had done so during
the primary about Hillary.
I think that everyone should do the same!
Write to them and let them know what you think
post-convention!
Some folks have been writing that they’re
“waiting to see IF Hillary attacks Palin” while
campaigning, that then their level of respect
for her will lessen. YO! What’s Up? That’s not
Hillary! Did you hear “the Barracuda” during
her speech? No personal attacks are coming
from Hillary but, the Gov. she walks the line.

It if very possible that Hillary is fighting the misogynism behind the scenes. Right after the Sarah Palin VP announcement I started watching the blog comments on Obama’s official site and they were full of hateful sexism and attacks on the Palin family. After a couple days the posters started policing themselves. Every time someone even brings up Sarah Palin’s name another poster will give a warning that Palin and any hateful comments about her and her family are off limits.
I’m sure this came from the top of the Obama campaign and Hillary could very well be the one that made it clear that she does not want to see or hear this sexist crap.

I wanted to make a comment after reading all the posts, I noticed a great deal of talk that reminds me of the Obama campaign site, and the proposed ways to use Senator Clinton, and they still bash the hell out of her there. I love the article for the critical thinking and appreciate we need to do this, however, I also can see and smell O supporters a mile away(not talking about the author here) and see the divisive little sh&&ts on this particular string, many new names, etc. Regulars aren’t fooled, PUMAS are not fooled. For those who would assume Senator Clinton will do something that would harm her own career, it’s not in her nature. For those who would consider she is smart enough to know what to do, the trust is still there. She hasn’t given anyone a reason not to trust her.
Remember who’s campaign this is, Obama and the DNC-not Senator Clinton’s; As far as us not agreeing here, that’s fine and expected, but know that there are many, many O supporters on this site, continuing with their divide Americans techniques. Support who you do, use realistic political reasoning, and you will find many support your right on your decision, but not agree with it, and this includes Republicans, being considered allies not enemies. Assuming,generalizing and classifying is not in a voters best interests, it is the general theme of the Obama campaign. Seriously, America first, not a group of this or that. :Look at what the candidates authored or sponsored as bills-does the bill favor a group? When I say group, I mean by race, by gender, etc. Is it a bill being sponsored for show as a means to a political end(oh look, he cares about our group…) No one should get elected when they only have eyes and ears for their own race or gender.

I also heard this from Hillary so the writer is a little misinformed.

A M E N ! ! !

and thanks for that post!

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Exactly. HRC should do the bare minimum, in terms of support for the Great Pretender, and no more.

Thanks, Gerard. I felt it was time to say something about, IMO, the only important issue remaining.

It is apparent that some people can’t proceed without an icon or leader.

Right now, everyone is in love with Sarah.

But like someone said, I’m voting McCain/Palin with my eyes wide open.

I like Sarah, but we are on different sides of the fence ideologically.

0bama’s not getting my vote because of many reasons. One is that I don’t think he stands for anything except getting elected. I don’t respect that.

He’s also not qualified, a sexist race-baiter, a liar and a person with a dubious past and questionable ties.

Hillary should have been the nominee. If she were, she’d tear Sarah a new one. Sorry, but I haven’t lost sight of who is the person with the best credentials. Why not ask John McCain who he’d rather run against and debate?

I think we know the answer.

I give John credit for exploiting our anger and disaffection with the Democratic Party. It’s a very shrewd strategy.

But that’s all it is.

I’m not confused about where I stand on the issues, even if some of you are.

I like Sarah, but I’m not bewitched by her or any politician.

Isn’t that the real problem about 0bama? Too much unbridled adoration?

That’s not a good thing to give a politician. It’s like giving them carte blanche to fuck over you.

Sarah doesn’t have to because the Republican’s are defending her unlike the Democratic Party not only didn’t do for Hillary but viciously engaged in against her.

Cinderella you obviously have no clue about Hillary, she has worked her entire life for the American people.

Yes, a blood sport is an accurate description.

But a lot of you are not giving voters credit. Just like we feel the way we do, so do a lot of women. And Hillary is not going to change their minds.

Hillary’s going to draw crowds because people want to see her.

What they do in the voting booth will be a different story entirely.

Give women credit for intelligence.

Have some faith.

Let the Repubs destroy 0bama.

C’on: what do you want he rto do? Start a party by herself? Abandon politics? Do you forget what the Rep. di to her and Bill? HRC was the first one to be respectful and celebrate her choice as woman to the VP position when Obama’s camp insulted her first.

Listen, I wish also she would turn her back to BO and the DNC thugs. It angers me a lot to see her there with these people.
BUT: if you really want her to run in 2012, please do not second guess her: if there is something she is NOT is a political stupid. She will not go after Palin. She will make her case (and from her heart) about Democratic issues versus Reps. issues. If anything she’ll go after McCain as having the wrong agenda –relative to what the TRUE Dems. issues are like Health Care. If she is asked to do campaign, she has no choice but she will do this the smart way. She is not naive.

Is hypocrisy the buzzword of the day? With all due respect, you guys sound like a bunch of pandering nimrods. You think Hillary should continue to sit by like a nice little girl and keep her mouth shut?
88 years ago the brave women (and men) who obtained the Woman’s Right To Vote didn’t achieve it by sitting on their asses with their hand over their mouths. This is precisely the moment to speak up! The DNC is in ruins after this Primary season. People hate Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and Brazille…the only Democrat I have seen with any balls is Lieberman! The Obama thugs bullied US! Not just Hillary! They bought our party four years ago, they selected their candidate four years ago, and they decided to push the Clintons, and all of their supporters out of their rightful spot at the head of the helm. There was a successful mutiny against the Democratic party! We are not going to get it back without a fight and you are right about taking to the streets and speaking out, using our votes in November, but who will be our leaders iun this reform?
I strongly disagree with you Jeremiah, for the first time ever, this is not a GOP issue, this is a human rights issue, this is a Democratic party issue, this is a misuse of power issue, and damn it, this an American issue! So help me God, the Clintons are two of the most intelligent people in Washington, and if they sit back and shut up they are continuing to condone the DNC, and if they campaign for this asshole and tell us we’re better off with him over a true American bipartisan candidate then coming out in December or January with their TRUE feelings will be too late. Power not used for the greater good is a misuse of power. PERIOD.

Isn’t that the real problem about 0bama? Too much unbridled adoration?

That’s not a good thing to give a politician. It’s like giving them carte blanche to fuck over you.

You said it! I expect to disagree with any politician quite often, even those who belong to my former party. These Obamatrons agree with everything Oblockhead says, which is cult behavior. I want no part of that loony-bin.

gerard,

I agree, particularly regarding how divisive the O campaign was to garner support from groups, as that campaign is so good at. I recall this incident you wrote about with regards to gay rights groups, as well as veteran’s group received the same treatment, and for the life of me I cannot figure out what type of mentality thinks this is a positive campaign.
The very structure of who we are as Americans is contrary to any political leader dividing it’s people. I truly think this campaign season has thrown us all back about 100 years in every critical aspect of politics. It is dangerous and will harm the country as a whole. The msn perpetuates this in the way of classifying people as types in states, I swear it is the divide and conquer rule with the reasoning being beyond my comprehension, as what can be won with the division?

Stop asking what Hillary can do for you (and others), ask what you can do for her (and the country)

What gives anyone the right to question Hillary’s handling of this delicate situation?

You do what you have to do, she does what she has to do.Hillary may do things we don’t like, she has more facts to consider then we know. So just trust her, she deserves our trust, even if we don’t always understand completely.

And let’s make sure that no one will misuse the “non vote against Obama” to be used to put a wedge between us Hillary supporters.

mathew she has already spoken out against it, you have no business telling Hillary how she needs to conduct herself. Try going after NOW who is trying to trash Sarah and the other so called feminist organizations.

Speaking logically does not include hasty generalizations. That will be one demerit.

Many HRC supporters are supporting McCain because he is the only qualified candidate left in the running who has a chance at being elected. I have bee here long enough to know who is a disaffected Democrat and who is a Republican. Most are the former.

Obama is destroying himself Republicans will just make sure everyone knows.

A lot of us were worried this spring that McCain was going to be a wimp. Thank God we were wrong.

I disagree. It is not politically intelligent for Hillary Clinton to ignore misogyny directed against another woman any more than it was acceptable for the Democratic Party to condone the treatment Hillary received from her own party.

Especially after millions of women and men went to bat for her against that same treatment. I do not think it will harm her with her base of fair-minded average Americans to stand up against sexism against someone she disagrees with on political issues. In fact that is what we expect of her. As far as the dickheads running the Democratic Party, she needs to distance herself fom them as much as possible. They are the problem. Always equivocating and doing what they ask of her is not a good idea and that will harm her politically more than standing up for what is right and against what we all know is wrong.

No one is asking Hillary Clinton to go out and campaign for Palin/ McCain. I think it is necessary to speak out against unfair attacks on all women.

Hmmmm seems to me Hillary made it quite clear how ignorant obama was to the issue of attacking Pakistan in one of the debates, reminding people that if an a attack on Pakistan was to happen that the key principles would have to be notified so not to start a war between India and Pakistan. Washington Post has lost credibility, it is now an official obamabot rag as proven in their non “investigative” reporting on Hillary’s speeches referencing the young woman from Ohio that died because she couldn’t get the medical care needed in time to save her life, and the WAPO claimed Hillary was lying and never vetted the story, when the truth came out that what she was saying was TRUE, not one damn retraction or apology from any of the media that disparaged Hillary over this.

Matthew:

To be apart of Obama’s hate is not a way to sustain it.

This couldn’t be farthest form what HRC is doing.
She is not and cannot be even perceived as being part of Obama’s machine. She is very careful –as Bill was– to defende the TRUE Dems. principles and talk about issues like health care. She talks about the benefit of having a “Dem. President” but doesn’t go much farther than that on the trail.

SHE WILL NOT GO AFTER PALIN. AND IF ASKED SHE WILL SAY THE RIGHT THING. BUT UNYTIL THEN SHE HAS SAID ENOUGH. LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS OR IT’LL BE HER POLITICAL END. AND WE DO NOT WANT THAT, DO WE?

Oblahblah and his supporters get the Fickle Finger of Fate Award for once again attempting to divert the electorate’s attention away from the real issue: who is to be POTUS.

Nothing else matters; everything else is obamabot murky water under a dilapidated bridge of their own creation.

WHO CARES?????

Thank God! Someone who knows what time it is! I saw Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly stand up for Hillary way back in March! That is when my husband and I started watching Fox because CNN and MSNBC called Hillary everything but nice. Fox bashing without knowing what is going on there is so yesterday, they really have been the only network that Hillary or Sarah have gotten any support from. The times they are a-changing! Keep up!

Hillary already knows what obama and the DNC have done. This is her party and she will deal with it the way she wants and needs too.

Obama made his bed , so Hillary should stay out of it, I believe people will stand up against the media because of the way they treated hillary, What did his campaign say they are fine , there was really no need to ask anything of her, and they did not need her 18 + million voters? Its amazing how the troll Os are pretending to be Puma and Hillary supporters and playing the republicans against Hillary supporters, it seems as if they have another agenda on making an in fight of each other here, but they forget the one true goal is to join together and make sure O is not elected, Hillary does not owe an apology to what the O supporters and the campaign along with the Dnc used against her, it is the O campaign and supporters now trying to pull the unity away from the very group that spoke out not only for Hill and Palin, but for all woman, , Now the feminist groups who say they are here to support woman should have been stepping in, but they cant because they are in the tank for O. So lets not fall for the O s games on putting each of us against each other, I do not agree with McCain all of the time but i do trust him more than O, integrity and character , says alot about leadership and O does not have it, regardless if Hill chooses to support him, I own my vote and will vote for the one i trust and McCain Palin ticket is it. I am not one who takes a call to fall in line and vote for O, O does not pay my bills and the Dnc is not my parents, to ask this of me, so I will vote and and speak loudly on the mistreatment of both Hill and Palin regardless of who wins, I made my mind up a month ago to vote McCain regardless who was on the ticket, experience to me matters. Country before Party. always.

Yes, her husband is part native Alaskan

One more thing douchebag,

Always remember this: ½ of the Democratic women stood by as Obama viciously gender-baited Hillary, which rightly makes them “Bro’s Before Ho’s” feminists, but they also did so with the impression that Obama was really against the war (consistent and never flip-flopping; MoveOn types and whatnot) and of course with the sincere belief that both Bill and Hillary were playing the race-card against Obama. But it was the Republican women who were actually piling-on and savaging Hillary. GOP women didn’t just stand by and let the sexism go unchallenged, they were among the worst in promoting it.

Of course, Feminist and PUMA’s were screaming bloody murder the entire time when it came to the blatant and undeniable sexism. This was almost completely suppressed by the corporate media which instead kept playing up Obama’s scurrilous charges of racism. The corporate media is an echo chamber of self-evident truths where if you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes the truth.

For Palin, they immediately began echoing the GOP’s charges of sexism—much of which is actually legit. Hence, Palin, i.e McCain, immediately began to benefitting from it.

“And the next time you want to call someone a douchebag look in the mirror you ignorant tool”

Take your own advice you degenerate imbecile. It’s abundantly clear you know little about history and the facts. And you’re clearly oblivious to the fact that the corporations own not just the GOP, but the mainstream media too.

Hint II: The corporate media plays up black crime + white victimization well-beyond beyond any point of relevance and then some, and then the GOP runs on crime, even though we are now living under the lowest crime rates EVER in the US.

Let me spell it out: Violent crime dropped by a whopping 60% during the Clinton years. Under Bush, it has risen only slightly. The Clinton years were not just years of unprecedented peace and prosperity, it was also a period of the lowest recorded crime rate since the FBI/DOJ began keeping detail stats since 1973. But judging from earlier murder rates, which is a good indicator of violent crime general, it’s verly likely that violent crime under Clinton was indeed the lowest EVER! Why is the corporate media so crime obsessed? That is, with black crime? Because they want us to view the world, current events, economic problems, GOP scandals, corporate scandals, from the prism of black crime + white victimization. That is, whites are programmed, not unlike pavlovian dogs, to view current events from the point of view of victims and targets of black criminals. You can’t see straight if you’re afraid. Further, the fundamental right of victims is to be angry and lash out, i.e. divide & conquer. This is why the white working class repeatedly vote every four years for Republican politicians who invariably send their millions of their high paying manufacturing jobs to China, bring in armies Mexican illegals to displace them in construction and service jobs, as well as bring in legions of Indian high tech workers to displace their college educated children.

Hint II: The corporate media plays up the Arab threat, the GOP then launches imperialistic wars into oil-rich Arab states. Do you really think the corporate media was doing its job during Bush’s build-up for the war in 2002 and 2003? They were blatant cheerleaders for all manner of self-serving conspiracy theories such as Mohammed Atta meeting Saddam’s Bathist agents, or that Uranium yellowcake bullshit, etc. Carl Rove wrote it, Bush spoke it, and the corporate media printed it. You pathetic dipshit.

Yep, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I believe that Hillary should not help Obama against the Repugs nor lend her support to Palin but speak in general about her experience and lend her support to woman everywhere. Moreover, she should also talk about her experience on how the media maltreated her and her husband. Being branded a racist by the media is not something she should easily forget. I think it is about time the MSM, the likes of Cambell Brown, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann etc be exposed for what they really are.

I am SICK of Hillary being held accountable for every damn STUPID thing Obama does — like pick Joe Biden for VP, just to start with that one. So what does McCain do — he checkmates the Biden move with Palin! Now the Obambibots are running scared. The DNC has basically told Hillary after the convention “get lost” and go campaign for those running for Senator so we can keep our Senate majority. NOW that Obambi and the DNC are in a HEAP of trouble — who do they want to come running and save them from their unbelievable stupidity — Hillary and Bill. So Hilary says she’ll go to Florida — a state Obambi will never win anyway. Then her press folks say, “Now remember — you wanted Hillary to go campaign for the Senate races so her schedule is full now.” WHEN OH WHEN OH WHEN is Obama going to be held accountable for HIS hideous mistakes? When is he going to be forced to take responsibility? Why is it always Hillary’s fault or Bill’s fault or even poor Chelsea’s fault? This article is a disgrace. Hillary owes Obama and the DNC NOTHING! She owes McCain and Palin NOTHING! And if Hillary not coming out and saying enough (she did release a statement on the sexism) to please some of you about what’s happening to Palin — then you weren’t really in Hillary’s corner in the first place because you would feel the absolute STING of this expectation. I am getting to the point where I don’t care if Hillary ever runs for President again because she can’t win no matter what she does! 30 years of fighting and then along comes Obambi in a heartbeat to take it away — and now Saint Sarah gets anointed overnight, too. GIVE HILLARY A BREAK!

THANK YOU, vi! My sentiments exactly!

How can you even THINK about voting for John McCain when Sarah Palin is on the ticket? McCain has shown he is the true hypocrite of all time, and a lier to boot. How can you POSSIBLY let yourself vote for someone who condones all the things that Hillary fought her brains out for; integrity, honesty, fighting for diplomacy, , fighting for ALL of us not just the rich and spoiled, in the hopes of making the USA a balanced, healthy place once again. You all sound so pathetic …. it seems you love to just bash and bash just for the sake of it. Why don’t you take Hillary’s example and be wise. McCain and Sarah sure aren’t. Yikes!

The thread was about Tracy Flick v. Marge Gunderson. I never quoted Keith Olberman, because I have never watched his show before. O gave a detailed critique of the movie election, saying that Tracy Flick was an anti-hero who revealed male castration panic throughout the script. I said that Hillary, in this election, represented a traditional second wave feminist by wearing a pantsuit and taking on macho behavior. She was ambitious, bright, ruthless and smart like Tracy Flick, who I said was *not* a “conniving bitch” IN THE WORDS OF THE AUTHOR. Go back and read the post, but you’re obviously not looking for a real argument, if you’re going to float out dead nazis and your veteran husband. Cue the violins and fetch me a barf bag.

where have you been the last year and a half?

oh right, your an Obama bot…

-=sigh=-

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Rebecca, please go back to Sunnybrook Farm…

You come across as pretty nasty, Lochos Vestu. No one is expecting Hillary to fight for the Republican ticket. Are you a troll? cause you sure sound like one, and I’ve never seen your moniker before.

No he does not, none of you can say what Clinton is going to do or say when she gets to Fl to push Obama on the voters, she may very well go after Palin.

Wrong.

Hillary has already stated that she will be attacking McCain – NOT Palin:

news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080905/pl_politico/13193;_ylt=AjToGNlaJtj.CIL0rrBzefOs0NUE

Obama and those bitches in the DNC stole the Democrat nomination. And they didn’t put Hillary on the ticket. So this battle is theirs – NOT the Clintons.

Obama’s reaction to Palin is one of the VERY reasons why he’s DEFINITELY not qualified to be POTUS.

Sarah praised Hillary and Geraldine.

If the women folk don’t mind me putting my two cents here! Uhem, Well we have to remember the Republican tried it best to impeach President Clinton. So I need to keep that in mind when I see Mrs. Clinton in this situation.

First, she is a loyal Dem; as I am. I believe that she has to campaign for the down ticket Dems. She needs to start collecting those IOUs. She is playing this situation just right, because when Little Boots, crashes in Nov, and he will. Senator Clinton and the rest of us are going to need those foot soldiers to purge, big-time our Dem party. We have to make a clean sweep of those left-wing haters and radical elements who have sized our party. Senator Clinton will need these allies. She has to campaign for down-ticket Dems. and make the obligatory motions for little boots.

Gerry Ferraro hasn’t been neutered. She and Susan Estrich have spoken out.

Thanks Steve. Well said!

A lot of people attacked McCain for this.

Yes, wry — but it was Obama and the DNC who shoved Hillary out the convention door as soon as she was done speaking and sent her off to make sure the Senate remains Democratic. SO — no blame should be placed on her for doing what THEY sent her off to do! Another Obambi decision run amok.

Yep, I have to agree, it isnt Hillary’s job to come to the assist of Palin. Political people of that stature dont typically run around voicing their private concerns. Hillary has already done more than enough for the ungrateful Dem Party in my opinion. If she says anything more she will be campaigning on the issues against McCain, that is because she is a consummate professional, not a gas-bag talking head or politico thug like the rest of them.

Besides of which I think this misses the whole point – Sarah Palin is obviously made of tough stuff she isnt exactly going to melt down under the nastiness the media deals out. Let em do it,they are further shooting themselves in the foot.

Lochos : 1) Linda is not a dude
2) She’s in agreement with you

LOL, some people clearly don’t know the meaning of the word “ideology”. I’m voting for McCain-Palin, even though I’m a diehard liberal. There’s nothing ideological about that.

It’s called brutal pragmatism, genius.

But 90% of them voted for Obama instead of the first black first lady?

Clinton, through her aides like Howard Wolfson, called the attacks from everyone Sexist as reported in politico.com.

She did act unlike Obama who thinks that respondent superior does not exist. When people under you act, you, by rule of law, have acted.

They reported a day before Palin gave her convention speech.

Wow,Mimi! Great rant. Are you a New Yorker like me?

Obama is a wimp and a fraud.

Yeah sure, and Hillary also denigrated Dr. King.

Sprout – he was dyeing it before to pass as a non- boomer. My husband is bi-racial like Barky and the white hair tends to be straighter than the black hair. When the hair grows long, it looks whiter. Get it cut, it looks blacker.
I can assure you at age 47 Barky was not as dark headed as he appeared last Winter.
It’s a dye job…just like Michelle’s lip reduction and her little girl’s straightened hair. Authenticity is not their strong suit.

I watch McCain speach, and even I am a stunch Hillary supporter and evenI am so angry at Obama and His people, I must use my common sense. I, as most of You, woman or man, can not support McCain even He choose for VP a great woman Sarah Palin and I wish She is at list Independent. I can not support McCain who will destroy OUR Social Security, witch is OUR MONEY not HIS, asking young generation to invest their SS .It is just no way I can support this radical right ideas. Investing young people money is like stealing , because all depends how WallStreet runs bussiness. And who will cash on those Young People SS, as we know, all those who allready are so stinky reach.When Market goes up, then WE get a few dollars, but when dip down as is doing right now, then WE all lose all,and Social Security will be destroy, and then Wall Street will tell US-SORRY,YOU ARE ON yOU OWN. HOW CAN YOU TRUST AN SUCH UGLY PROPOSITION. Rising retirement age, for me is the same as less jobs, lass chance for younG to get jobs, BECAUSE we, WHO SHOULD ENJOY OUR LAST PART OF OUR LIFES, WILL BE STAYING ON JOBS,OUR SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE DESTROY .As an older woman, I can see what will be left for young, NOTHING!!! We olders, be working untill we die, and wont never see OUR retirement money. Can YOU see what will come if McCain go to the WHITE HOUSE??? I can see that anger in McCain , and He will put US with no EYE blink to another WAR and OCCUOPATION. Even McCain as American Hero He has grown as tipical selfish man.Why we are so occupied with MCain , there are so many man from pass , who did just as McCain, and no ONE is saying about. Fergoten HEROS(VIETNAM,KOREA,now IRAQ), maybe because they have no chance to be reach or Admirals in their family. What about them.??? His children dont have to worry, and we dont owe McCain nothing. New generation is dying for OIL, and He wants to keep them dying, just to win not the war, but keep occuping reach OIL in country. Threating Russia is baloney, because is again about OIL this time in Black Sea.
I claim , that I willnevr vote for Obama, but He is much less dengerous, and I must give Him a chance to prove that He is the ONE!!!
WE must put away OUR anger at Obama, and truly start thinking about what would happend with OUR SS,jobs,Helath Care, with McCan will not improve, but destroy. I can see this now so clearly, He truly is #3 bush even if He claims to be Maverick, but not for US, but for Republican. When people are angry, that is when they make the MOST MISTAKES, AND WRONG DECISIONS.
WE,PUMAS MUST DEFEND HILLARY AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, BUT IT IS TIME TO ;INSTED BE HATEFUL AND ANGRY, MUST TAKE DEEP BREATH AND THINK ABOUT US TODAY, AND ALL THOSE MOTHERS MUST THINK, HOW MCCAIN IDEAS WILL DESTROY MIDDLE CLASS, AND ALL ABOVE. STOP BEYING MAD, THINK LOGICALY.!!!
MY ENGLISH IS NOT AS GOOD AS YOURS, BUT I KNOW I AM RIGHT. IT IS NOT ABOUT OBAMA, BUT ABOUT US,OUR CHILDREN, OUR POSSIBLY BETTER LIFE.
!!!
Sarah is great, but She is to much right and Her children dont have to worry about their future!!!
It hurts, what Obamas people did to Hillary and Bill, but it will hurt Us more if we choose McCain .Billions for Iraq occupation, unstable relationhip with a such important country as Russia is. McCain as military man has no feer to send our boys and girls to die for some reason. He hasmilitary mentality, and that scares me more then anything. I dont care id any of candidates have any military experience, I care for good life, peace .We have to many problem on our soil, incl. illegel emigrants, who are stealling OUR jobs, and destroing OUR Healt Care, and no metter how we look at this, I know I am right!!!

With repect to Palin and the unfair treatment she is facing,I must state in the same breath how sad it is
to see finger pointing yet once again towards Hillary.
Sarah Palin had a great opportunity to set the record straight when questioned about Hillarys treatment by the media and party.
Responding with ” Whining don’t do us any good ,unfair or not !”, it was not the winning response in my play book.However I admire her bold approach overall.
Do not expect Hillary to be the warrior here and defend Palin ,while she failed to speak out for women’s treatment.Hillary will face further abuse by her own party whenever Obama fails to deliver.
She has been set out to be the reason for failure of the weak democratic party!
How much more are you going to make her endure.?
Back up and refrain from attacking her in your ridicilous article.
As many have stated .This is pro-Hillary here!
Keep this in mind !
We will see Hillary 2012 !!!!!!!

wow, an ambitious Obama bot…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Puerto Rico. Yea, it’s hurricane season, but the rum and the people are fine and they love them some Clintons.

Let me get this straight. I am an independent who will likely vote for McCain/Palin this fall. I find this posting and the attached comments to be some of the most informative I have read during this unending political contest.
As I understand it, the battle that really matters is occurring off stage. The old line democratic leadership (Kennedy, Johnson, Dean, Gore, Brazile, Jackson, etc.) have never embraced the triangulating, Democratic Leadership Council backed Clintons. The old guard picked their candidate (anybody but Hillary) and stacked the deck against HRC.
As an outsider looking in, am I right thus far?
If this construct is accurate, the real fight in ’08 is not about McCain vs. Obama. The momentum is moving strongly toward McCain and Obama may soon be toast. The real fight is over the control of the Democratic Party after the election.
If the battle lines are drawn between those who want to level the playing field for all within an increasing economy vs. those who want generational support from groups dependent upon politician defined wealth redistribution, then go Hillary!

That’s correct when Bill came to her defense he was called a racist,, imangine that Bill Clinton a racist….. It is absolutely deplorable..

I was all set to vote for JM when the DNC turned their back on HRC… but with adding SP to the ticket it is, truly, the icing on the cake!!

McCain/Palin08

HRC2012

I can not support McCain who will destroy OUR Social Security, witch is OUR MONEY not HIS, asking young generation to invest their SS .It is just no way I can support this radical right ideas. Investing young people money is like stealing , because all depends how WallStreet runs bussiness. And who will cash on those Young People SS, as we know, all those who allready are so stinky reacH

I’m 33. I resent this scam foisted on me called “social security” You know what Social security is? It’s More Money For Congress Security. If you are currently receiving Social Security checks that money isn’t yours, it’s mine.

Congress spent your money decades ago. Just like in 30 years from now the money i would get wouldn’t be mine, it would be the taxes of the people of that time.

The Federal Govt is the most fiscially irresponsible entity in this country. The Federal Gov is 50 Trillian in debt.

And now they’re bailing out Fannie Mae some more.. There will be no Social Security in the future. The govt is broke now. I dont know how much longer the charade can last but all we need is one flashpoint with the Arabs or Russia or China and the whole house of cards will come crashing down.

Those in Congress who kept telling people that reform was not neccesarry and that Bush was lying about it are disgrace.

I dont want Congress taking my money for me. I’ll invest it myself, thank you very much. Who the hell do they think they are that they thinkn they know better.

Obviously they know NOTHING. Nothing they do goes well.

for the 18th million time she didn’t call Hillary a whiner…

what you are referring to is an edited video to make it look like that…

i don’t have the link to the proof of this off the top of my head but it was discussed here…

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ooops i was deceived

Navy Vet…I think we’re all a little testy here. We NQ regulars have got to stick together. One of the complaints about RIVERDAUGHTER, which I also read, is that it is too cliquish – which is a fair criticism. But they support each other, in name and deed.
I think we need to return to that here.

My skin crawls when Hillary or Bill even says Barky’s name. I unsubscribed from Hillary Clinton.com because I can’t read that shit either.

That being said, I don’t blame Hillary. She’s a politician, she’s not Joan of Arc, or Don Quixote for that matter.

It’s sad that women are not allowed to cross party lines to defend each other against sexist attacks, but if a racial remark is made EVERYBODY fights their way to the microphone to denounce it.

The reason is, racism affects men too, whereas sexism is a woman’s problem.

Have you lost your freaking mind??????
Clinton is a Democrat. Palin is a Republian.
Not to mention Palin bashed Clinton as a whiner, and then 180s and simpers about her admiration of Ferraro and Clinton. LIAR. Make that Wingnut. Liar.
You want to talk Party Before Country to me?
Try this on, a$$hat. McCain could have spoken against the misogyny directed at Clinton and BHO’s terrorist friends. We might have had a choice of Clinton and McCain. But he didn’t have the courage to do it, because he knew Clinton would kick his a$$. So much for Party Before Country. Shut the f#ck up about Clinton. Whiner.

I will not blame Clinton for the mess the Democratic Party got itself into. Barack Obama is the worst Democratic Candidate I have seen in my lifetime. He is so full of hate for most of us that he cannot contain himself. The Democratic Party has to remain totally loyal to him or he screams and throws a tantrum.

Hillary will not attack Palin and thats good enough for me. Its time for Obama to clean us his own shit. There is a good reason for long campaigns — the real truth about people comes out. We can see now that the Democratic Party was all talk when it came to women’s issues and their candidate without a teleprompter can’t even do that.

i agree…

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It is not anymore about Hillary, but it is about US!!!And if we choose McCain and Palin, we will lose much more. I am in those 30% who say , I will never vote for Obama, but after McCain answer obut Health Care,Social Security,Nafta,, I can not even think about supporting HIM. At 72 , McCan as Military man all His life, He will not be affraid to push the button and take US to another war, and will call” in name of USA, freedom,peace”. Asking OUR next generation to die , but for what??? I am more and more convince , that we can win much more, by talking not by attacking another nation, who just happend have OIL or different ideas.!!! NATO should be more agressive in taking care of international problems, because for now NATO is doing nothing!!!I dont buy this anymore… can not support this man. Sarah is great, but it will not make me support HER, because She is a woman. She is on wrong side.Economy will be great if Government keep their hands off OUR Social Security, OUR boys and girls will come home for good, instead investing money in wars(12billions a month for Iraq) and stelling from US for reach to be reacher.
We woild not have to worry about jobs if OUR next President invest in US not in OIL. Iraq is on 80 billions surplus, and we worry about about Health Care, retirement,not ferget to mention gas prices, etc,etc,etc!!!
I will love to hear Hillary get tough on McCain, and so far She does nothing. COME ON HILLARY, DEFEND US FROM DISASTER, STOP BEYING SO NICE TO DOSE WHO WILL DEMAGE MIDDLE CLAss BEHIND RECOGNITION.WE ARE FIGhTING FOR YOU IT IS TIME TO TO STOP BEING SO MUCH FRIEND TO McCAIN AND CONTINUE FIGHTING FOR US!!!

Hillary should be standing up for HER principles and NOT the party line. She is a politician so she has to play the game.

I love Senator Clinton and will always support her… But I also love my country and WILL think and VOTE with MY OWN MIND. MY PRINCIPLES will NOT allow me to support a CORRUPT PARTY or a CORRUPT candidate.

NOTHING or NOONE will JUSTIFY that action!

McCain/Palin ’08

signed a 38 year long Democrat

sorry politicsisdirty: I don’t know how I managed to attach my post here. this is directed at the writer of the article.

it sounds like Obama has finally realized the game is over…

and now he has sent you bots out to try and drag hillary down with him…

it ain’t gonna work…

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Amen to that!!

McCain is not the ONLY ONE HERO from all pass wars, now He is a POLITICIAN with military mine!!!
He scares me…
After I listen His last speach, He scares me even more…

Sorry, I quoted from memory. Palin was trying not to offend Hillary. However she spoke to the effect that women shouldn’t complaint about abuse. Hillary brought it up only twice, and only because NOBODY defended her.
I am just way too angry. I see typos on my posts, sorry about that too.

BTW: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html

Hillary must continue Her fight for US, no metter how great friend She is with McCain. It is about US. Bussiness is bussiess, Friendship is Friendship. She must separate those two things.I still believe, that She will start soon, because if She wont , many of US will not vote for Her in 2012. Fighting in Congress or Senat is not enough enymore. Now is the time for Hillary to proof that She will continue defending those who support HER!!!

Matthew Weaver — Where were you when Clinton was out there all alone with the media attacking her and the Party dismissing her–Hillary is not the Messiah. She did her best when all were against her and we did not do enough to help.

What I see now in the Republican Party is support for their own. They have letter writing campaigns to advertisers on MSNBC and others who attack Palin saying that they will boycott their products. They are also contacting Newspapers and Magazines to cancel subscriptions of those who attack their nominee.

Ask yourself did you do enough to support Hillary when the powers that be wanted her gone? I know I didn’t do enough and I cannot ask her to do more for me than I was able to do for her.

With Hillary the Party could have won big and now they will lose. Nothing Hillary can say at this point will change that. Arrogance mixed with stupidity will do that to you. And a never vetted Community Organizer will not save the world.

Bob Barr is a warmonger also.

lol, Country Before Party
jeebus you born again repubs make me angry

The Politico article is removed. Can you cite from memory?

I dont see anything racist about???

I am thinking about the impact Clinton not speaking out will have in 2012. It is just another nail in the Dem coffin for me. If no one speaks out and everyone has the opinion that women need to ‘suck it up’ and ignore sexist attacks and accept it as deserved for the choices they make, haven’t we gone backwards? Which women should be forced to tolerate this? Which women get a pass? So women who go into politics should? Any women who go into male dominated fields?

If she doesn’t speak out now, voters will not rally around her as they will look at this election and notice Clinton believes it is the cost of being in a male dominated field. None of you will be able to defend the attacks on Clinton without looking like hypocrites.

I wish Clinton would say something/anything rather than worry about the accusations that will come her way. I supported Clinton for her positions and came to admire her character during the primaries.

So far, Repub McCain defended Clinton and the Repubs are defending Palin. The Dem party is the one that IS what the Repubs have been accused of… sexist.

how Hillary can be racist fighting Sarah, it make no sense.
Now I believe, that Media will try to portray Hillary as McCain lover. IIf I am s Obama, I will make clear to all Obamas Media friendly, to shot up ,and stick with Hillary for change. I believe, that is the other sied now(McCain Media who is doing this!!!

If Hillary wants to defend Palin, then YES, but after election, NOT NOW!!!!
Now is the time to stick with what She promise to US for 17 months, not to throw Her support to Palin. NOT NOW!!!

I was upset at first when I heard Hillary was going out stumping for the fraud. I was going to say, Bye, Hillary. You have lost my support. After having time to think about it, I haqve changed my mind.

Keep in mind that Hillary must know about the lawsuit by Berg. She is out campaigning for herself. That is what I believe. She is staying in there and being visual in case Obama has to step down. she is prepared to step in at any moment. This way she is getting her won message out there, campaigning for a democrat in the White House, supporting down ticket dems, and looking good to Obama supporters while she’s at it because if anything happens with the lawsuit, with the many possible scandals, she will need the votes of the Obama supporters, too.

Please don’t get mad at Hillary. Support her in secretly campaigning for herself because as John McCain said, nothing is inevitable!

As a democrat of 40 years, I fully supported the Clintons and I rallied as many votes for Senator Clinton as possible!
However, thanks to the crooks in the party, she is not our candidate.
Again she is forced to walk on “thin ice”, but I know that my family were not pleased with the “ringing” endorsement of the “O”, and may not vote for her again!

Matthew, Hillary’s been on vacation the past week, A well-deserved one, I might add.

As it becomes clearer that the Democrats are going to lose over this issue–you will see Democratic Party women come out to support Palin in huge numbers — just to save Obama’s skin. Too late — the die has been cast. This election will not be about this rotten economy or the two wars which go on endlessly — its going to be about women and those who don’t line up solidly behind women will face the wrath of the voters.

Hillary can sit back and enjoy the backlash — if it wasn’t for her Palin would not be where she is right now. What goes around comes around.

McCain gets it and this is why he is trying to appeal to Hillary Democrats. As a Hill Dem who has never voted Republican he and Palin will get my vote this year. Welcome to all Republicans who are new to this site. Its interesting to get your perspective and to find that so many of us are on the same side after all.

I think you are wrong to criticize Clinton for sitting this one out. Sarah Palin herself said that she did not thing it was helpful to women when Clinton was pointing out the unfair attacks that were being lobbed her way.

I think by sitting in the sidelines, Hillary is doing two things. She is allowing the Obama Campaign to go overboard to the point where they suffer a backlash. Second, she is still the party loyalist ready to come back in 2012. I don’t thing she was “just words”, but she has to have a strategy to win.

Objective analysis also is right: There was a Politico article with Clinton aides calling Palin’s treatment sexist. No other Dems are doing that, just Hillary’s folks. I think that’s significant.

jeremiah — its always blame the woman. Matthew is doing the same thing that the media and the Democratic Party did to Hillary.

The woman is always wrong no matter what she does or doesn’t do. For me its the Democratic Party that pissed in their chips and it will give me great pleasure to watch them lose.

Jere thank you for your support and for Matthew — Leave Hillary alone — DAMN IT.

Hillary is between a “rock and a hard place” on this one. She must stay in party favor but if BO wins-she is finished! If I were her, I would fake an illnes something like mono which requres a lot of rest for the next 2 months so I wouldn’t have to stump for the cheater BO!!

I fail to see why Clinton is supposed to pick up Obama and drag him across the finish line but should not speak out against the widespread sexism that is being peddled by the Obama media and his supporters.

The Democratic party made a huge mistake by selecting a dirty Chicago hack politican and Clinton is making a mistake by not distancing herself from him.

Precisely. If she goes out for Obama/against McCain it will hurt her future chances in a national election. If she does it, it tells me that she has decided to not run again for POTUS.

s. hall – I agree with you. She’s a victim of the hate, and I don’t think anyone can question that. If Obama has problems reaching out to people, that’s HIS problem, running to Hillary or any other women still loyal to party only continues to show how weak he really is.

I would like to see Hillary denounce sexism, but she’s on the front lines. She’s right there face to face with the enemy. If she thinks it’s better to keep silent, that’s her call. There’s no way for us to know what’s happening between her & Obama & his people. We’ve seen here how his cult work, but we have no way of knowing what she’s personally dealing with.

Personally, I want to see her to be in a strong position to run in 2012. From what I read, she’s already hinted or told Obama’s camp that she didn’t know how much help she could give him. Sounds like she’s already setting the boundaries that he’s on his own.

I’m Republican and I don’t think it’s up to Hillary to defend Gov. Palin.

Palin has the conservative media and the RNC to defend her, not to mention John McCain.
Hillary never had her own media outlets, that’s why there wasn’t a strong voice speaking out on her behalf when the DNC left her to her own devices.

And I agree with you about Obot wolves appearing here in sheep’s clothing.

If she starts stumping to “save” BO from Palin, it would destroy her following.

I agree, and that’s the danger to her. Sadly she also has to worry about the nasty Obama supporters who will hold grudges against her in the future.

It’s my opinion that they are going to hold them anyway because she dared to stay in the race past Super Tuesday.

Matthew Weaver: Can’t read? So sad. Hillary has condemned the sexism and she refuses to campaign against Palin, another woman candidate.

Thank you Tampagurl. The “perceived” is important. Who can deny that whatever Hillary says is perceived by some men (and harpies like Maureen Dowd) as a whine? Sarah Palin did NOT call Hillary a whiner!

Bravo McKatmoon:

same with the gay rights group that endorsed Obama… there is a youtube clip of the president of this group, cant remember the name… where he gives hillary the most amazing introduction, i mean i had tears in my eyes… and mentions how nobody has done anything even remotely close to what hillary did for them…

and then they end up endorsing Obama… who wouldn’t attend the Chicago gay pride parade this year and wouldn’t have his photo taken with the straight mayor of san francisco and who has homophobic morons on his campaign website and at rallies and events spouting crazy shit…

and you guys are blathering on and on about what hillary needs to do?

for fucks sake people pull your head out of your ass…

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Obama is very close to another pastor in Chicago named Meeks. I’d recommend that folks google Obama pastor Meeks, but do it later so your day isn’t ruined.

Wrong. Fox News stood up for Hillary and Greta van Sustern ran serious interviews with Hillary. John McCain also spoke out about the sexist treatment of Hillary. No one in the Democratic Party, even the women senators and reps, defended Hillary. IMHO, the Dems have totally screwed themselves this time around.

Don’t listen to NPR? Get off the blogs and see what’s out there.

mimi-

When I listened to Bill Clinton’s speech at the DNC, I wondered why he was praising Obama, when it was known that privately there was bad blood. The only conclusion that made sense was that he was staying in the good graces of the AAs for when Hillary ran again.

And I agree with you, I posted upthread HRC doesn’t have to defend Palin, the Republicans are well organized on that front.

I’m wry. I didn’t condemn her for anything. I love her and I love Bill more.
To which of my posts are you referring?

uh, thanks!

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you’re saying she doesn’t have leadership. That’s an attack and it’s false. I think men should just shut up about women in this race, period.

I can’t agree with this attack on Matthew. He is not saying that Hillary should speak out about what is being done to Palin. He is saying that (at least that’s what I think) she should speak out about the sexist, misogenistic attacks being directed toward Palin by Obamabots, liberal women, and the media. If I remember, we women weren’t real happy about Obama not speaking out against this very thing when it was directed at Hillary. Should he have–Hillary was his opponent? I wrote letters to media sources complaining about this kind of disgusting behavior when it was directed at Hillary, not just for Hillary but for all women. Palin is not Hillary’s opponent now, and I think personally that she should make a public statement about this vile treatment of women by the media and by other women who should know better. Do you really think that would hurt her in 2012? I don’t. If the media doesn’t change, she will get the same disgusting misogynostic treatment during her next run. There comes a time when we need to put values first. And I don’t think Matthew is alone in his feelings. It has nothing to do with Party politics, except that I believe that Obama fully knows and approves of the part his Obots have in this current wave of female hate.

Mathew Weaver—leave Hillary alooone, God damnit! When Palin was announced as the VP, Clinton released a statement that congratulated her, showing class and leadership. Obama, on the other hand, released a snarky statement, showing his slimy character and lack of leadership. But he soon took Hillary’s lead by replacing his original statement with something more akin to Clinton’s. No doubt, her very example had an impact on the Obama campaign—and that’s leadership.

4) Finally, why aren’t you giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt? Why must she take the blame or be judged morally for what has occurred and will continue to occur to Palin?

The only way to toss Dean, Axelrod, and the rest of that bunch out of leadership is to beat Obama this fall. If he wins they become even more powerful.

I think the Clintons cannot do anything more than they are doing. Their party has gone nuts. They cannot straighten it out on their own. They gave it their all, tried their best to get Hillary on the ticket. They warned the SDs, warned the voters, they can’t do anything about it now.

Democracy is the responsibility of the voters. Americans were so stupid they gave Bush two terms. If they are so stupid to give Obama the WH, the Clintons criticizing him won’t help. Their criticism would probably galvanize the ‘bots.

Yes, you know how frail we women can become past a certain age. That’s how I’d play it.

Or yeah, have Bill develop “complications” of his heart condition. After all, women should stay home to care for family members with special needs, right?

Also, the real culprits responsible for Obama being the candidate are the media nitwits. The Clintons can’t do anything about that. This country is just too messed up for democracy nowadays.

The representative for the Democratic Party is Barack Obama. HE should scold the ‘bots, but he never does because he’s a sleaze. A corrupt Chicago pol. Bill and Hillary are not the national representatives of the Dem party now, the DNC kicked them out. Don’t criticize the Clintons–that’s just what the the ‘bots want.

and don’t think McCain didn’t know that he was putting Hillary in this bind when he chose Palin, but that is STILL the fault of the DNC and Obama Democrats.

Looks like it’s also getting a bad “Obamabot-for-Hillary (now that she’s out of the way of the Anointed One)” infestation.
Dude, seriously. I do not recall seeing you on this site until the past week or so. Where were you a couple of months ago when Hillary was in need of support against the Obamazoids?

Thank you! I thought that it was just me!

The Obamabrats didn’t give a damn about Hillary’s abuse during the primaries (as THEY were the cause of it!) And they sure as hell don’t care now.

Republicans are not trying to cause division between Hillary and her supporters now. They already know that more than enough of us are voting for McCain/Palin on Election Day since Hillary’s out of the picture this year. Enough to give McCain the Presidency. And Republicans don’t want to risk losing Hillary votes by critizing her “silence” on the sexism in the MSM and the Democrat party. Had Hillary been the Democrat nominee or VP nominee, then they would have been trying to cause division.

Seems to me that there is a sudden influx of “new & improved” Obamabrats here that are trying to put heat on Hillary to attack Palin by putting fire under true Hillary supporters. Trying to get Hillary supporters riled up about Hillary not denouncing the horrible sexist attacks on Palin.

I may sound a bit paranoid, but I believe that the Obamabrats were unsuccessful at trying to “sic” Hillary on Sarah Palin. Hillary refused to stoop to that level. So, they’re going to try to FORCE Hillary to attack Palin through US – her supporters.

I didn’t hear Palin making references to the size of Obama’s penis, talking about his balls, or denigrating his maleness, or his ability to parent while running for the Presidency. If she had then I would expect Bill Clinton to stand up and say this kind of bashing was not appropriate.

There’s a differences in taking a stand against misogyny–may have spelled that wrong– and defending Obama against Palin’s exceptional political attacks.

I have already written to NOW and NARAL; and I’m hoping that I haven’t been the only one. It’s THEIR turn – NOT HILLARY’S – to speak out! In my letters I informed them why my vote was going to McCain and not to Obama, that I was not longer going to support them, and they needed to stand up for what is right. The letters also made it clear what kind of “followers” Obama had and that it wasn’t only the candidates, Hillary or Palin, who were getting abused by these “followers”. That if Roe v Wade did get overturned, it would be NOW’s & NARAL’s fault for not standing up for women’s rights!

I don’t believe you are a Hillary supporter. You’re supporting a false argument, she did denounce the sexism. This is as bad as calling her racist, no one who supports her would do that. She’s not on the ticket, it isn’t her fight, it’s for Biden and the O.

It saddens me to hear this attack toward Mary Pat. What has happened that we can’t have a differing opinion on taking a stand involving values and standing for what is right. We are not Hillbots; if we were we would be no better than Obots. To have an opinion does not mean we were not Hillary supporters. I am a Hillary supporter because I thought she was the best — and still do. Did I agree with her on everthing, probably not. Nor did everyone else. If we were Hillbots, we would all be planning to vote for Obama now.

Seems like Sarah Palin – a Republican conservative could be asked the same question when it comes to defending Senator Clinton against biased attacks. Instead, she chided the Senator for speaking on her own behalf.
Unlike Gov Palin, who has had the entire McCain camp to include Mrs. McCain, Mrs. Bush – speaking up for her against the attacks, Hillary had no one other than Bill. Who was labeled for doing so.

Why was it our fight when we spoke out against the sexist pigs in the media? we weren’t running for office. If you are a woman, then it’s your fight. If you have daughters, then it’s your fight. Sorry, but that’s the way I feel.

First of all, Matthew, you premise is not accepted. Hillary isn’t anybody’s watergirl. She never was and never will be. She has already done far more than she ever had to to prop up the incompetent and undeserving, affirmative action DNC nominee.
Now she’s supposed to be a crusader for Sarah Palin too? According to you, she’s now supposed to dig the knife into herself a little deeper and advocate for an opposing candidate to receive better treatment than she ever did herself? Really?? Exactly why are the expectations for Hillary so high? She’s not running for anything, anymore, at least for now.
I have enjoyed a few of your other posts, Matthew, but this is Way off base. Leave Hillary the fuck alone. She’s earned it.

And you sound like an idiot who knows nothing about me.

You are the one attacking Democrats who don’t agree with your logic, and that is a repub tactic (and now a leftie tactic) if I ever did see one.

Being the smart (in the best sense of the word) politician that she is, her aides are doing it for her. She works in the world of politics and must play by those rules until the rules can be changed.

I have seen her name before, but I don’t appreciate her tactics now. Name calling occurs when a person has nothing worthwhile to write to support her beliefs.

Amen solidsista!

Hillary did her part as a brave leader – when she fought against the odds all the way through the primaries. She’s only one woman. She can only do so much. Like ALL human beings. And she’s done ALOT of good this year.

LAY OFF OF HILLARY. Enough is enough.

Something is very wrong here. No one is trashing Hillary by stating an opinion. As as for facebook, how many people do you think visit that site? I don’t, so how should I know Hillary made such a statement? If the statement come from Obamabots, I consider the source; but from the media I get furious. It’s against not just Hillary and Palin, it’s against all women!

McCain/Palin 2008 = HRC 2012!

My apologies, wry. I stated the wrong name. So sorry.

Did anyone think to ask Gov Palin if she even wants Hillary’s help? Maybe she was offered and declined. Maybe Hillary said Bill would help and it was declined.

I agree with the author.

I am disappointed in Hillary, not just because she ended the primary as she did, or how she has not said anything about Palin, but mainly because I know she and her people have done their opposition research on Obama, and she is still promoting him–even while knowing who he is.

I can’t respect that.

I’ll be watching Hillary closely.

(BTW, I do wonder what Hillary is thinking as far as the attacks on Palin, but I think it’s a good thing she hasn’t gotten involved for now…let the conservatives defend Sarah for now because Hillary jumping in would make conservatives rethink Palin. Basically, Hillary would weaken Palin by defending her, so I don’t mind as much that she isn’t saying anything right now.)

I’m mainly pissed off that Hillary is pushing us to support a bad guy for president. It’s disturbing.

NOT!

What i dont understand is, Why does obama want a ‘racist” like Clinton speakinf for him. His people want out of the way to call Bill Clinton a racist, and obama did NOTHING to change that. Now he wants their support. i say F.U.O.B.

Barack Obama, in order to appeal to Hillary Clinton supporters in key battleground states, is going to use her own stump speeches and bring her out to make voters believe he means them. The strategy is that you will not be able to tell her and Obama apart. Remember the tired argument, “they’re exactly the same on every issue.”

Obama, seeing hope in Ohio, shifts schedule there (RCP)
Philip Elliott

Even Friday, Obama borrowed pieces of Clinton’s stump speech during a stop at a glass factory near Scranton, employing the same rhetoric that helped Clinton win in Pennsylvania.

“I have to say to you: I’m not perfect, but the one thing people can’t deny is that for my entire public life, I’ve been fighting for folks like you, ordinary, middle-class families and working families, helping them getting ahead,” Obama said.

Obama aides also believe that Republican nominee John McCain is unlikely to match the GOP voter turnout that President Bush got in 2004, something McCain’s own aides acknowledge. The Obama campaign also is trying to narrow the margin of Obama’s loss in rural regions, such as this area in rural Ohio where cell phones don’t work and bales of hay line the winding roads.

nobamaever09 — you’re on the wrong website. You may want to try DK or HP.

WE must put away OUR anger at Obama, and truly start thinking about what would happend with OUR SS,jobs,Helath Care

Got a newsflash for you:

Obama’s NOT going to solve ANY of those serious problems. He doesn’t have the experience, political savvy, NOR the desire to solve any of these problems.

And if you think he does, you’re straight fooling yourself.

It’s time for you Obamabrats to move on from Hillary supporters. Truly.

Name calling — calling a person a reppug just because hey have a differing opinion — makes me sad.

Hi Sassy,
I,too, am a democrat for over 40 years. I carefully listened to her speech at the convention. What I heard was, her sticking to issues, and I will add that the issues and solutions were Hillary’s. If anything, what I heard, was her raising the bar for “O”. Now he can keep talking about himself or address issues that average Americans face each day. I doubt that he is qualified to do so.
I didn’t hear a ringing endorsement of “O”. For me, any endorcement of him was that of a team player and a lot of rope for him to hang himself! I have a lot of respect for Hillary and will vote only for her. I am leaving the top of my ballot blank for the 1st time in 43 years.

and after this election is over — you can call me independent — because that’s what my registration will be changed to show.

Mathew Weaver—you need to STFU!

Oh, don’t you hear Kos and Ariana calling?

There are two things I want to see this November: Obama defeated and a victory for women. If we have a woman VP, that gives credibility to our significance as a voting block. We are taken more seriously and given more respect. It helps Hillary should she choose to run again, and it still advances the feminist cause, if it doesn’t.

I think ALOT of you folks need to stop putting NAMES to ISSUES. Stop putting people above concepts. Stop viewing indiviuals as perfect, flawless deities… Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin are human. They are WOMEN. The ISSUE here ISN’T PARTY or WHO defends WHO. It’s about the treatment of the opposite sex and bias, rampant, UNACCEPTABLE slander and discourse of WOMEN – FULL STOP!!!

Good article Matthew. Some of the younger women can;t possible understand.

nobamaever09—you Ozombies are out in full force today! It’s Friday, I understand, and you have the whole weekend to prepare for class on Monday.

Clinton did act through her aides. Her aides called the acts toward Palin SEXIST as reported on politco.com and drudgereport.com

She did talk about it and denounce it. She could not do it publicy b/c this is Obama-Biden democratic party.

But, trust, she did speak up about it through her aides.

Sorry, but Hillary would not be “fighting Sarah Palin’s battles”. She would be fighting “for all women”, and enlightened men, too. Some of you seem to believe that Hillary, by sticking her neck out strongly to denounce sexism/misogyny, it would somehow hurt her political chances in the future. It is entirely possible that it would have the opposiste effect. I know that I would appreciate her more, and she would have my unwavering support. It would be a sign of strength, not weakness for her to do this.

Of the 195 voting instances available in the Senate from Jan – July 31, 2008, Obama was a NO VOTE 64% of the time. Of the 11 bills passed, Obama was a NO Vote for 11 of them; He voted Yea on 2 of them: One was on flood Insurance, the other was in favor of the FISA bill.

Obama needs to return his salary, because he sure as heck didn’t earn it.

Yes…. this is bothering me too. AND is why I agree with the saying… COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY.

This isn;t a tv game show… THIS is REALITY

correction: NO VOTE for 9 of the bills.

rebecca–

McCain/Palin 2008 = Hillary 2012

I have been posting here for a few months, probably since April. I was always a Clinton supporter. I support McCain now, and I admire him for picking Sarah Palin. This is consistent among a lot of former Hillary supporters, and Harriet Christian explained it well on Neil Cavuto’s show.

If Hillary campaigns for Obama, she needs to address sexism, because it is coming from his surrogates. She will be seen as one of them and then she will lose support from a lot of women and men who take the issue of sexism seriously.

She does not need to defend Sarah Palin, but if she is associated with the Obama campaign when disgusting media behavior like last week is going on, then she needs to say something about sexism itself or look like a hypocrite.

Obama’s cult following, nutroots gangs, and media have savaged Palin and her family with derogatory, sexist, and vicious rants that have no place in any public or private conversation, much less as part of the political election debate.

Please stop overextending your point to violate the rights of one’s own Mind and Privacy [read: not in Public].

You made your point and you immediately castrated it’s effect by declaring that we lose the right to disparage a candidate in our private conversations.

We have the Bill of Rights. We have the right to risk making our own selves seem small and petty, before the privacy of our immediate associations. To decry it as having no place is to impress upon the lives of millions what you deem right is very Vaticanish. Liberty affords one the self-reliance of our thoughts and actions through the resultant thoughts and actions of our peers.

Let our own associates call us twinkies if we cross the lines of civility. This sort of hyperbola harkens to Thought Police and that will only challenge me to denegrate ALL POLITICAL CANDIDATES the more for your declaration of what is or is not allowed.

We don’t tolerate by our actions to vote for the candidate opposite to those who make such remarks. Please leave it at that.

To Monitor the Minds of Man is to Police the Liberty of Life against it’s Self and that is something we should always served to prevent.

I’m guessing you think it makes your article have merit, but it handicaps it by such slight-of-hand condescension.

We don’t tolerate such slander, by our actions to vote for the candidate opposite to those who make such remarks. Please leave it at that.

To Monitor the Minds of Man is to Police the Liberty of Life against it’s Self and that is something we should always serve to prevent.

You are too invested in Hillary to even think clearly.

1) I am not a Republican. I am a life long Democrat since I first voted in 1980 for Jimmy Carter. I have never voted for a single Republican in my life, either local or national. Have you?

2) Defending Hillary in the manner that you do is wrong. You only make yourself look nasty by hurling insults at people who may not agree with you all of the time.

3) You are not very astute at realizing who is a “repub” and who isn’t.

4) As a Democrat, I would like to point out that you behave much like the Obamabots that I have seen on other websites, and it does nothing for you.

5) Disagreeing with Hillary on this point is not “attacking her”.

And you aren’t paying attention Hope. My husband was born after the war and is not a vet. He’s never seen a dead nazi in his life except on film. That is a story he read and I repeated it because there were lies within lie during the war.

Now there are lies within lies on this blog. You compared Hillary to a high school girl running for class president in a movie made for teenagers. I called you out on it when you wrote it and I stand by my assertion that you are here to cause dissension and bring Hillary back into your attacks.

Elle—Remember she congratulated Palin for her new VP position and also stated that she will not attack Palin. Furthermore, HRC’s surrogates have said she deplores these sexist attacks! That’s good enough for me and many others on this site.

Mathew Weaver’s post was meant to divide us with regard to our support for HRC and the McCain/Palin ticket. Looks like his plan has fallen flat on its ass!

I hope so. It would mean a lot more to me if she would say it for herself. It would show me that she is not a calculating politician, but the honorable person that I thought she was (and hope that she still is).

i’m from Chicago. Meeks is probably the most thuggish of them all. not only is he a Rev. , he is also a State Rep. He’s a bully and has no problem mobilizing his community and using them to get what he wants.

I’d hate to live in downstate Illinois have to endure a State Legislature dominated by sleazy Chicago politics

When we ramble on in life and we seek to reach our goal, we need to keep our eye upon the doughnut and not on the hole. If it is to reform the Democratic party and return it to its roots, we need to defeat Obama and oust the DNC leaders. A punishing defeat will ensure these two objectives. I am no Republican troll and a very very old Democrat who will be voting for McCain and picking, with care, the down ticket Democrats I vote for. I live in Texas and attended the local and Senatorial district caucuses. If you would have seen the treatment we Clinton supporters were subjected too, you might not ever want to vote Democratic again.

Karen, letting the current Pod Dem Party self-destruct is not only the smartest, but the most patriotic move HRC can make right now.

Also, she has spoken against the sexist attacks on Palin. You just weren’t listening.

So what’s your point Tyrione…. that only YOU are allowed to rant???

csuzeq—I think you are absolutely right. As I’ve argued before, Hillary can’t allow Palin to fill in the vacuum that was left when she was forced out of this race. Hillary worked too hard to carve out her a populist presence in the primaries, and must not let Palin take that mantle away from her. If Obama is ineligible as president, Hillary will be poised to take his place (this is a long shot I know!).

McCain/Palin 08 = HRC 12

Jessie – Well said… I too was a delegate in Texas and as a ‘purty old fart’ myself, I was STUNNED at what I witnessed in a “Democratic” party affair. No. I wil have NO problem voting my conscience!

Kat in yr Hat–I, for one, am not pissed in the slightest. Give Hillary the benefit of the doubt.

Brevity is a thing of beauty.

We all remember what a brilliant president Bill Clinton was and would have done much more if he had had a Senate and Congress with more democrats. Senator Clinton is just as bright if not brighter. She is doing what she has to do for now. She knows what she is doing. I trust her and I trust her judgement. Someday we will know what is going on behind the scenes but we have always been able to trust what the Clintons tell us. I think the republicans and their own democratic party, the african Americans have piled on the Clintons for many years now so this period of time is no different. The Clintons will always get my vote (except if Obama’s name is anywhere near). I also trust Senator McCain. He is not your typical republican. He has and will continue to work with democrats, republicans and independents and anyone else willing to work with him to get the job done for the people. Thats right, for the people. Thats what Senator McCain is about and that I can respect and vote for. Gov. Palin has taken some of the same brutul insults and sexist comments that Senator Clinton took and continues to take. I like Gov. Palin and together her and Senator McCain will do our country good. I believe they both want to work for the citizens of this country for our betterment, not against us or for any ego trip. At least, like Senator Clinton, they are qualified candidates.

I agree with many fellow citizens here that this is not Hils fight and should not be. What disappoints me is that feminist leaders have not been more supportive of Hils and now Sarah. So my question would not be “Where is Clinton?” It would, rather, be “Where are the women?” As a lifelong Dem who is drawn to the center of the political debate, I trust neither uber-liberals nor uber-conservatives and I’ve long admired McCain, deciding long ago that he’s a Republican I could vote for. I am very disappointed to see the feminist movement evolve into such an echo of what is now the Obama wing of the party. If women cannot stand together for advancement for all women and respect differences among women, then what kind of a “women’s movement” is it? Hils has a tough job right now. Trying to remain within the party during this election cycle so that she can be reelected in NY and build up a base to retake the Democratic Party is enough for her to do without giving her the problem of appearing to campaign for Sarah Palin. Women everywhere, however, have some things to think about. Because when Sarah Palin is threatened for making her choices and living life her way, then so are we all threatened, whether it’s by uber-liberals or uber-conservatives. And we need to take responsibility for that, and not shove it on Hillary Clinton’s shoulders. Because this kind of threatening behavior is not confined to national politics. It’s also evident in the workplace and any other “places of power” where we choose to visit. If anything, Hillary, Sarah and Gerry Ferraro should be respected and always remembered and honored by all women, because they represent opportunity for all women.

Correction, the african Americans did not continually pile on the Clintons, but they certainly did this year. Not much loyalty there to two people who always worked for them as well as all Americans. The color of one’s skin does not make you presidential material.

Because if a PUMA slams Hillary, then that PUMA was probably a repug or an Obamabot in the first place.

I am pissed with people attacking Hillary, these people are idiots and morons.

What we on the right have long believed is that the “women’s movment” only applies to women who agree with far-left politics.

It’s pretty simple.

Hillary to me- is fairly liberal- however she’s considered moderate by most of her supporters and viewed that way by the far-left. She’s not radical enough for them.

Given how much support Hillary didn’t get from feminists- Sarah Palin will be an outcast and is due for more scorn and ridicule- as we’ve already seen.

Forgot to add to what I said above:
As a woman, I urge all women to think about the broader issues and the need to include all women and support all women as much as we can, but not to tear down, because this could be our 3:00 am phone call.

Exactly. So we do not appreciate it when Hillary is being slammed because of Palin, just like in this post by Matthew Weaver.

HILLARY ’12!!!

Yes. Thank you.

I cannot talk sense into these morons (or Repugs?) who are demanding that Hillary defend Palin.

Palin has the Repugs defending her. Hillary has no one, except us loyal Hillary supporters.

HILLARY ’12!!!

Maybe we can change that, Deb. You on the right and me from the left/center. There are more like us than not because we are the ones dealing with the practical, down to earth problems facing women. I suggest that both our parties have used women to a) get their votes — after all we are the majority of voters … and b) to keep us out of the highest levels of office. Sarah Palin might bring long overdue change here. But, let’s remember, if Obama had been more inclusive and placed Hillary on the ticket, Sarah Palin would be in Alaska right now, “waiting her turn” like all good women are told to to by both parties. I tip my hat to both of these women and will end up voting for “your” party and forsaking “my” party this year because I believe it is time, long overdue time, for a woman to get this opportunity. If Mac and Palin can pull it off, this Democrat will be feeling very, very proud on January 20th, 2009. I strongly believe that we cannot have “family values,” “patriotism,” and, yes, equality, until that glass ceiling is shattered.

I agree.

What is this Obama bullshit?

“I have to say to you: I’m not perfect, but the one thing people can’t deny is that for my entire public life, I’ve been fighting for folks like you, ordinary, middle-class families and working families, helping them getting ahead,” Obama said.

WHAT???!!! OBAMA HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE WORKING CLASS HIS WHOLE LIFE? WHO IS HE TRYING TO F**** BULLSHIT? This coming from the guy who said that the working class are bitter and cling to their guns and religions!

LOL. I just had to fall on the ground laughing. WHAT A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!

Put a sock in it, Repug. Hillary does not owe anything to the Repugs who has demonized her for the last 16 years before Obama arrived on the scene and took over the job.

She’ll be back in 2012 to kick some Repug ass!

HILLARY OVER MCCAIN/PALIN 2012!!!

Very well said!

Yes, Senator Obama will do anything to get elected. According to an article in the NY Times Camp Obama has turned to HIllary Clinton to help him defeat our Gov. Palin. Palin has them nervous! Camp Obama never expected our beloved Gov. Palin to step-up for the fight. Well, Senator John McCain sure gave them a BIG surprise.

The NY Times article states, “Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and bolstering his plan to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said Thursday.” I pray to God all the hockey moms/soccer moms don’t listen. I hope all the Hillary voters don’t forget how she was treated. Now Obama is concerned about the female vote. He was not concerned enough to put Hillary on the ticket but now will use her and others to get the VOTE. Obama is only interested in Obama, at least that is what I think.

She did? How wonderful of Hillary to do so!

See Repugs? Stop attacking Hillary! I am so pissed off with the repugs postings on this site. THIS IS NOT A REPUG SITE, NO QUARTER IS A PRO-HILLARY, ANTI-OBAMA SITE!!!

Any why did none of your GOP politicians, GOP women, Repugs spoke out against the sexism done to Hillary Clinton? When Hillary was stronger last year, in fact, many of you Repugs were engaged in the same sexist vile that Obama has been engaging in?

I find it outrageous that the GOP is suddenly the warrior defender against sexism when they have been perpetrating the same sexist attacks against Hillary for the last 16 years, since when Hillary started as one of the most engaged and active First Ladies in this nation’s history.

HILLARY ’12!!!

I am a feminist (very active during the 70′s and 80′s. I am not far left. I don’t know how you consider some of the issues we worked as being far left. Let’s include violence against women (Take back the night marches), securing Title IX, working for equal pay (back then it was .49 cents to the dollar, product boycotts which included corporations that sent food products of inferior quality to 3rd. world countries for babies and the list goes on.

Then, we faced as much bashing from other women as we did men. I believe Hillary is receiving support from feminists. Perhaps younger feminists don’t have the same agenda we had back in the beginning. I don’t have an answer to that as I have moved to a rural area and am supporting environmental issues.

Faux outrage by a Repug. When will GOP women and politicians like Giulani and Romney start defending Hillary from sexist attacks?

HILLARY ’12!!!

Google my pen name, idiot.

Nice to see you again, dee4hill. Too bad I’ve now been banned from Taylor Marsh. Do you still get to comment over there?

You seem to want Hillary to commit political suicide. Next, I bet you will suggest Hillary should join the Repug party.

Right.

Do you want Hillary to commit political suicide? Why don’t you ask Palin and the GOP women to defend Hillary? I don’t see any of them doing that!!!

SLAMMING HILLARY CLINTON = REPUG or OBAMABOT

Calculating politcian? Someone has been reading Obamabot’s attack line on Hillary during the primaries!

Give Hillary Clinton a break. She doesn’t need more character attacks from the likes of you!

Mandelay- maybe we can. One thing I CAN say that has really surprised me and earned PUMA women my respect is the willingness to go against the status quo in your party. I’ve done the same more than once with my own party- it’s hard.

I have learned how many of you love America and worry deeply what will happen to it if Obama is elected.

For all of our hollering on the right about Hillary over the years- most of us have opposed her on policy alone, not on her ability, credentials or qualification to be president. For others who are just plain ignorant or childish..what can I say? Both sides have our share of fools.

I always saw Hillary as a political opponent. Obama? He’s an enemy.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

[...] original post and feedback received: I wrote a serious post yesterday asking where Clinton was (See Where is Clinton). This was not to criticize her but to challenge that she is now faced with her 3 a.m. call and how [...]

Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reily were having a field day talking about how much more fair and balanced they were and they were doing it to raise their rating. Completlely different story if Hillary had won. Don’t kid yourself.

Palin IS NOT HILLARY’S 3AM CALL!!! WHAT AN OUTRAGE!!!

BTW. I only watch FOX news because I couldn’t stomach the other two. But I have a long memory and will not delude myself into believing they love Hillary.

to mathew: om my God! you have got to be kidding? you must be EXTREMELY ignorant about how politics really work. you have no business posting. what the hell? even if she wanted to speak out, do you think the “big boys” would allow her to without destroying her politically or worse? and besides she has bowed out gracefully, this is obambi’s to fight and she does not need to bring any negative attention to herself any way, shape, or form, God, let her be, she needs time to recover from her hell (which would take the rest us a lifetime to do). she is a human being, have some compassion and let her be PLEASE!

Thank you again Lochos.

texaslatina,
I totally agree.

Interesting. I expect my reaction is exemplary of some of the basic differences between the right and the left!

I cast my first vote for George McGovern- so I’ve not always been a conservative!

I was raised by strong women and so had no experience of ever thinking or feeling like a second class citizen. I do not now, nor have I ever, viewed men as the enemy. They’re my partners – in various roles. I bring strengths and weaknesses as a woman, and they do as men. I see it as teamwork rather than competition.

As we can see here- we women see ourselves differently- even from each other, perhaps we may learn we both have useful views.

You are right on s.Hall. They have organized a boycott against US mag. and that mag lost 10,000 subscribers in one week. If Bo had put Hillary on the ticket, these same people would have been attacking her the same way and Palin wouldn’t be on the ticket with McCain.

Yes, and another thing, Matthew – why should Hillary provide Palin with soundbites for the 2012 campaign?
Seriously.

I, for one, am going to enjoy hearing Hillary artfully provide the absolute minimum amount of support she has to for Barry Soetoro. When he loses, she will retain the respect and support she has already earned in the Senate and dare the DNC not to monimate her against Palin in 2012. Hell, she may replace Reid as the Majority Leader, getting a nod of respect from the dems themselves. FINALLY.

Barry will continue to be the Senate lightweight he has has clearly always been, and may be easily defeated in 2010 by someone -anyone – with an actual resume.

It was so remarkable, because NOBODY on the dems side did so

Do you have any idea how little sense you’re making? Do the names “Ed Rendell” and “Michael Nutter” ring a bell? How about any of the other hundreds of Democratic elected officials who supported Hillary?

I’ll vote for McCain, but Hillary does not need to defend Sarah Palin. Her spokesperson said she would be campaigning for downticket Dems and against the policies of the Republican Party. Palin doesn’t need her help. All the conservative radio and cable news and the Repug Party are doing just fine. Why isn’t NOW, Emily’s List and NARAL defending her? Well they didn’t do a very good job of supporting Hillary either. Afraid of being called racist I guess.

Exactly Lochos, except I am not sure they are all repubs. There is an effort underway to undermine Hillary and only Obama benefits from that.

Agree completely tek.

I want Hillary to run in 2012. If she speaks up for Palin outwardly, the Democrats will banish her forever.

Hillary will speak to the issue in due time in her way. If you are a true Hillary supporter you know what I mean.

88 years ago it was not just one woman it was many. Right now our woman is hurt. We are the ones who need to come to her aid and stand up against sexism.

The Clintons have yet to campaign for Barack. Hill’s camp told his camp that to not expect much. What’s that?? hello…

We are all doing exactly what the Republicans and Obama wants us to do. Start fighting each other so that in 2012 it will be Obama v. Palin not Clinton v. Palin. Palin wouild lose. They know this. Don’t buy into this bull.

I voted for Hill b/c she was the most qualified. Don’t ruin it for her. She doens’t deserve it after all she has done for us.

You contradicted yourself in the first two sentences.

JM, I will stand up against sexism against Sarah Palin by sending more emails to the media, but I have no intention of telling Hillary what she should or shouldn’t do. She fought a long, hard battle and if she puts herself in this fight, she will lose the support she still has in the party and all hope of ever getting a universal health care program passed and all influence to change anything else in the party. She also stated publicly (many times) she would support the Dem nominee. She has integrity and she will decide when she has fulfilled her promise.

SLAMMING PALIN AND PRAISING HILLARY = SEXIST OBAMABOT

It is our fight b/c we are the govbdernment. The people. If you truly support Hillary, let her do what she needs to do.

The DNC should make you angry.

Yes they are.

The time for that debate should be in 2012. Any sooner will kill Hillary’s career. She should not be an attack dog for Obama.

I don’t see anyone belittleing Palin. I have said I like her. She is intellegent, witty and charming and my vote for McCain will include a vote for her. What I have a problem with is anyone suggesting Hillary has a responsibility to help repubs defend their candidate. What will she accomplish that they can’t do? She was fighting the good fight before Palin was born. And the repub women who are so thrilled with Palin were using worse lies and attacks against Hillary. They can defend Gov. Palin and win the election if they work hard for her. Why don’t you focus, instead, on Oparah Winfrey who has refused to interview Palin? Boycott her program and don’t buy books from her book club.

No she doens’t.

No she does not.

Sarah Palin never complained about sexism. Her party is supporting her. But if Hillary acts as an Obama surrogate and allows Obama to use hedr speeches from when she ran in the primaries, then the two will seem joined at the hip. Unless she speaks out against sexism while campaigning for Obama, she will seem to have been an active participant and a hypocrite.

Palin had nothing nice to say about Hillary when she was being hit by constant sexist, biased attacks.

McCain did defend Hillary.

Palin was not a part of National Politics at the time; but, she was very respectful of Hillary before the nation by mentioning Hillary in her first couple of speeches, where she gave her credit for 18 million cracks in the ceiling.

It was the Dem party that should have stood up for one of their own. It’s exactly that lack of loyalty that is getting them the lack of loyalty they now enjoy.

When Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin arrived backstage for our NEWSWEEK Women & Leadership Event in Los Angeles last March, John McCain had just wrapped up the GOP nomination. Palin had yet to endorse McCain—she liked Mitt Romney—and as we waited in the green room, I urged her to “feel free” to make some news on stage. She grinned broadly—looking back, I guess it was a grin of the Cheshire Cat variety—and thanked me for the offer.

Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state’s entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn’t support a woman, but she didn’t like Clinton’s whining.)

Mathhew, Please do not do this. You are playing right into Obama and McCain’s hands. Trust me, they are already thinking about 2012. What do they need to do? They need to split apart the ever growing Hillary base! And by writing this type of appalling sexist blog, you are buying into it. Hillary is not your mommy. Like you, I made calls, recruited people to make calls, raised money, traveled to Philly for 10 days and stood in the face of racist attacks myself. WE HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER!! If Hillary comes out to defend Palin, the Dems will crush her and the Repbulicans will use it to say Hillary supports them! Look, I know it is hard being a Hillary supporter. Everyone hates us. The left hates us, and so does the right. Obama has a mouth. Let him come out and speak out against sexism? Why do women have do it? Apparently no one is listening to us, so maybe it is time for a man to do it!

I’m not paying reading your whole post, elise. Once you start talking like a nutrooter and telling stories about nazis and WWII, I automatically skip the paragraph, because my “CRAZY” alarm goes off, and I know that’s a minute of my life I can’t have back.

Apparently you think the story of a single mother trying to start her life again in her small town where the women she went to high school with are jealous and spiteful is a story for teenagers, too. Maybe you just don’t like movies about women. You definitely have little understanding of the use of allegory in plot narrative.

But you sure act like a teenager when you call people a TROLL or a secret covert REPUG operative like some of NQ’s new friends like Locus Vest and many others. The new theme from Axelrod is to pit those who are excited about Sarah Palin against those who wish Hillary were still in this election. Shitty but brilliant strategy, the old divide and conquer.

I agree Hope Floats.

I’m glad you’re still around, wry.

MAC CAME OUT PUBLICLY IN DEFENSE OF HILLARY. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? IT’S COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

Quite the contrary. I think more highly of Hillary than her supporters here who are screaming to “leave her alone”–what kind of head-in-the-sand attitude is that? You believed enough in Hillary’s abilities to trust her to go up against despots and dicatators, but don’t think she should stand up for basic human decency, regardless of one’s party affiliation? Get past the politics, please. There are more important principles.

Your hero worship of Hillary and need to lash out at anyone who criticizes her is no different from the crap I see coming out of the Obamabots. I believe that Hillary has the leadership and character necessary to speak out and look like a stateswoman rather than a calculating politician. So who is the real Hillary supporter? Take your narrowminded judgment and shove it.

The point being that Obama is now parroting Hillary Clinton. This plan by his campaign was hatched when they appeared in Unity, NH in matching powder blue. First, the idea of Hillary as a hostage is not an empowering one. Second, everyone knows how Obama operates by having his surrogates sling mud while he waits two or so days to “condemn” these low politics. Everything around Obama is tainted, which is why nobody wanted to run as his VP. Some say Hillary turned him down three times, but her going out with him and working harder for him than his own VP doesn’t look like it. Lastly, if Hillary is an active surrogate while sexist attacks are used against Sarah Palin, she looks as guilty as Obama himself, since he is now trying to pass himself off as Hillary. Hillary does not need to defend Sarah Palin; the Republicans will do that. She does need to speak out against sexism in the media, if she is campaigning with Obama. The best thing she could do is not have anything to with his campaign at all and work for downticket Democrats.

NOW not only backed Obama and didn’t come to Hillary’s defense, but they sent me mail asking for money and they sent me hate mail against Gov Sarah Plain our next Vice president. I sent a long snark back to them.
Every time you read, see or hear sexism you can report it here. This is one of Hills Pacs I think. Stephanie and she started it. Just going off long term memory on it’s birth.
Check out the candidates link too.
http://www.womencount.org/
When Obama said yesterday that Palin wants to be treated like one of the boys, I reported it. Being reduced to just a gender is unacceptable. Being told that being treated like a boy is better than being a girl is unaccepatable. I feel bad for Obama’s baby girls.

I agree that HRC stood strong against the barrage of sexism, misogyny and insults like NOONE. Always, including during Bill’s administration !!Her courage is unique. She took it with grace, strength and dignity. She never whined !
She defended her daughter agianst the miserable pimping comment and laughed (because it was laughable) at the MSM that always asked her first in the debates (b/c the media knew BO couldn’t take the questions and knew ZERO)

No question that what HRC has gone through is unparalleled.

Hill is too BZ to stump for Obama. She has pacs to raise money for the election which no one is paying attention to the down ticket but her.
What is wrong with Obama that he can’t stump for himself. I know I know he’s LAZY

Mechelle said it was Off limits. whadda ya know?

You can’t have Hillary being responsible for what the Obama democrats are spewing. It is his fight not hers!!

Matthew,

There are many reasons for HRC to remain in the background.

1) The GOP would love to keep the spotlight on this issue and how better to do so than to than for HRC to jump in and draw the media attention

2) HRC may simply be following Palin’s lead — See Palin’s “whining” comment == assuming Palin does not want to appear to be “whining” too.

3) For most of her campaign HRC ignored the sexist comments directed at her, focusing on the issues that distinguished her from her opponent. It is her strength, and it is how she won the support of so many of us.

I hear your frustration Matthew; however, this is not Hillary’s fight if you are thinking like a partisan.

Hillary is smart and I think she will find a way to wade through this murky time.

I think what is frustrating me more than anything is that Palin got to say many things about that Hillary couldn’t.

During the primary, we had Hillary rules and Obama rules. That was a completely different kind of fight, and the media was ruthless with Hillary. Our party wants Hillary out, and she could not afford to be a political maverick that we wished she could be. It was a very treacherous environment for her. It still is.

I think if she did not have any debt, that would free her tremendously. Obama has done very little for her in that regard. I, for one, think he owes her a few million at least for her stumping for him.

As repugnant as it is to see her go to bat for him, she is proving to her party that she is a team player. That may hurt her because what Palin brings to the race is a reputation of a straight shooter that will go after any corrupt person, even those in her party. When Hillary stands up for Obama, it is as if she is standing up for the corrupt and undemocratic process that made him our nominee.

I just see Obama as continuing to hurt Hillary no matter what she does. Let us give her time to work through this.

CAN’T BELIEVE IM SAYING THIS BUT AFTER SEEING HOW OLBERMANN AND MATHEWS WENT AFTER CLINTON LIKE RABID DOGS, ACTUALLY FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, I COULD NO LONGER WATCH THEM AND NOW WATCH FOX NEWS.(ACTUALLY THEY ARE TRYING TO BE MORE FAIR AND BALANCED NOW)EVEN THO I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT THEIR DEFENSE OF HILLARY IS JUST SO MUCH B/S ,THEY ARE AT LEAST STANDING UP FOR PALIN, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE DNC AND THE REST OF THE LEFT WING MEDIA DID FOR ONE OF THEIR OWN.

There is nothing sexist about this blog/post. The question is what does Clinton do, by not speaking, yet campaigning for Obama she says the sexism and hate is okay. Is this her legacy?

If she sat out the election fine. No further comment necessary. But, if she campaigns for Obama—and true for anyone who campaigns for Obamam—then must speak out. Otherwise, they are equally guilty of the hate being spewed by the Democratic Party.

That dog won’t hunt. McCain made a crude remark about Janet Reno being Chelsea’s parent because Chelsea’s is so ugly.

You need to put a sock in your mouth and stop calling names! I happen to be a registered democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton and I happen to own my vote. You are as bad as the Obamobots that will tolerate no dissention. You’re disgraceful!

Just who in the hell do you think you are calling me a repug? You are a disgusting pig. Go f— yourself, fraud.

No real hillary supporter I know would be so rude and nasty to other supporters.

Perhaps you didn’t catch the recent report about President Obama challenging Pakistan to take care of Alquida (sp) or we’d do it for them?

You might want to read this article, well researched and factual, about the real Obama’s record. The link was posted here a couple of days ago:

http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

Do you still believe Obama is the correct choice meet your needs?

Supported is not the same as calling out the MSM and fellow Dems who trashed Sen. Clinton on a daily basis. Not a single Dem stood up to protest the insults and lies.

ok, Hillary should defend palin why? what has she got to do with anything barky says? why would you equate barky’s words with Hillary making her compliant with what he says? you seem to forget in all this that hopefully in four years we can right the wrongs that have been done against Hillary, and that she cannot disaffect her base. this race is now barky’s and not Hillary’s, so anything said is said from his mouth, not hers his neck, not hers and we all understand this.
as someone in chicago once said, politics ain’t bean bag. but you are apparently a fool.

Nobody is talking about Hillary defending Palin. What we are talking about–or should be talking about is the question of what is right and wrong in the Democratic Party. The election is going to be about character, Obama will lose because of poor character. Anyone associated with him will be poison. If Clinton doesn’t stake out clear right and wrong within the party she risks getting swept aside in the future–she doesn’t need the baggage of promoting a hate-inspired candidate. Clinton’s character and values are so different from Obama that she needn’t taint her legacy by helping him; nor unless she entirely sits out the balance of the election, can she not say something about the hate being spewed by the Democratic Party. This has nothing to do with Palin, it is a matter of personal character and what is right and wrong for the party. Otherwise, to be blunt, as others have noted, she is at saying its wrong when against her but okay when against another party.

Matthew, I’m starting to think you are an Obot.

Your blog is sexist because you are implying that it is Hillary’s duty as a woman to come out and speak against the sexism against Sarah Palin.
Hillary did try and speak out against sexism and Palin called her a whiner.

Did you not read the NY Times article? Hillary’s camp told Obama she won’t be doing much for him. Have you read any of these comments? Guess not.

Hillary’s duty as a woman is for her to decide. Not you. Clinton does not have a legacy yet. You really must not like her, now or ever.

Matthew, I’m starting to think you are an Obot.

Your blog is sexist because you are implying that it is Hillary’s duty as a woman to come out and speak against the sexism against Sarah Palin.
Hillary did try and speak out against sexism and Palin called her a whiner.

Did you not read the NY Times article? Hillary’s camp told Obama she won’t be doing much for him. Have you read any of these comments? Guess not.

Hillary’s duty as a woman is for her to decide. Not you. Clinton does not have a legacy yet. You really must not like her, now or ever.

Consider another set of soundbites:

The hate spewed by Democratic party while Clinton stands by and says nothing; indeed she (maybe) goes out and campaigns for the candidate responsible for the hate–Obama. Now is that character?

Now, is that good for Clinton? She cannot avoid taking a stand.

Matthew-You blog is sexist b/c you are bashing Hillary! Boo Hoo, mommy isn’t doing what you want her to do. So you lose respect for her and blame her all the hate spewing from the dems. I’m starting to think you are an Obot. Support Hillary!

I have not ever suggested it is Hillary’s duty as a woman to speak out. I am saying that as a leader of the party she must speak out. Else, cede her credibility. Please reread my post and all of the comments here. I don’t think anyone suggests she must do this because she is a woman. If you are suggesting that she should or should not because she is a woman, that is your choice and, I believe, a mistake.

You can make whatever conclusion you want. I am not going to respond further to your comments as you have decided to stick you head in the sand and claim anyone who questions Clinton must be a member of the Obama cult. Sorry, that is simply nutroots caliber comment that is not worthy of reading or responding to. I’ve seen enough of that from Obama’s supporters over the past year to have absolutely no patience for it from a so-called Clinton supporter.

That nobody would be you. Your blog doesn’t talk about what is right and wrong in the Dem party. It talks about how Clinton should come out and speak up against the attacks on Palin! Trust me, no one will ever associate Clinton with Obama Everyone except you seems to know that Hillary is only doing what she has to do. No true Hilllary supporter will hold it against Hillary if she campaigns for Obama. She has to if she wants to keep some support from the Dem higher-ups. I question your personal character, okay? Right now the Dem party is Obama’s, not Hillary’s. She is campaigning for Senators right now who will back her in the future. Thereby, she is righting the wrongs of the party. If it makes you feel better Matthew, I’m sure your mommy, I mean Hillary will say something against the sexist dems to pacify you. Then you can stop losing respect for Hillary and stop blaming her for all the hate spewing from the dems. Come down off your high chair and support Hillary!

I’m glad you have choosen to no longer respond to me.
It just proves I’m right.

One has to wonder why so many people have such super human expectations on one person. And it’s never enough.

I’ll forever remember this election of 2008 and Hillary’s career as:

“Dammed If She Does, and Dammed if she Doesn’t”

So much weight for one person to carry .

How many Men do you know who were expected to jump through as many hoops as this woman has been for many years?

I agree 100%!!!! this is not Hillary’s Job at any point. Barack wanted the job, let him EARN it.

Not a hasty generalization, but good try anyways Fred.

mathew- have you ever held a “real” job for more that 2 yrs? because if you did, you would know there are times in office politics, that no matter how much you want to tell someone off or shout about an injustice, the timing is in appropriate and you can’t do that. again, if you are a real puma, you would let her be and respect her campaign recovery process. i think the repubs can handle this horrific sexism against sarah without hillary. again i am asking you for the love of GOD, please leave our beloved hillary out of all this trash. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matthew,
You have great courage and I am glad you spoke your mind. I have supported Hillary and Bill since they first came on the political scene. I have traveled with my family to attend rallies, make phone calls and stand for 12 hours in the freezing rain to distribute Clinton talking point fliers, so if you think I was never a “true” Clinton supporter, bite my ass! I did everything but tattoo her picture on my shoulder! That being said, how can you condone her politicking now for Obama? She is using her influence and the fact that some people have such blind devotion that they will take her endorsement as gospel and they will vote for Obama, solely for that reason. One vote going from the Clinton column to the Obama column is one too many. There has never been a more corrupt campaign in American history, and guess what folks, if BO gets in with his all Democratic House and Senate he will have a free ticket to turning us into a full blown Socialistic society, and BTW, the Arab nations have a lot of money invested in this guy…why? Did any of you hear that the Dems first priority if Obama wins is to cap the age requirement for a Presidential run ? Who wants to bet that won’t be in place to keep Hillary off the ticket in 2012? They aren’t proposing 70′s or 80′s, they are proposing 60′s, and they will get it. They also want totredistribute the wealth in this country, I could go on and on…do you think that the average blue collar wirker who believed in and supported the Clintons would be best served by an obama Presidency? They might think they would be if Hillary tells them they will. I maintain she should just say no, be a gambler, because voting for BO is not in Clinton’s best interest, she will still be on the losing end of the stick.. Some people think they are better Clinton fans if they keep hanging on and hoping for some scraps from the DNC table, the DNC told Hillary and Bill where they stood at their dinner party, it’s with the hired help and the wait staff! And when it all goes down in November, if he loses despite the Clinton’s best efforts the blame will still be put on Hillary. I’m just suggesting she really matter after this is over by speaking out against misogeny from atrue perspective that no one has had…or is it only a woman’s issue if the woman is a Democrat?

Nah, you just put him to sleep…we can all see you are not right, you’re left, right?

Liz B.
Where did you find information on the age capping for prez?

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Matthew Weaver,

You sound mighty righteous and fulll of fury against the only woman who showed guts to fight her own party during the most relentless Hillary-bashing (woman-bashing to you) in HIstory!

SARAH PALIN ACCUSED HILLARY OF “WHINING” about sexism. She said “JUST GRIN AND BEAR IT, HILLARY, I DO IT. IT’S EVERYWHERE. ACCEPT IT, HILLARY, WITH DUE RESPECT, OF COURSE!”

Weaver why shoudl Hillary come to her defence SARAH SAID SHE DOESN’T BELIEVE THERE’S ANY SEXISTM!

Watch the videso plese, see htem right here on No Quarter.

Hillary does not condone these attacks. By telling Sarah it’s the Dems, she includes herself!
She’s still, unlike you, a Democrat! Did you see her at the Stephanie Tubbs-Jones funeral? The MSNBC ‘journalists’ made cruel fun of her last week!

Please don’t rush to conclusions. You’re being grossly unfair to Hillary and as a recent Republican, Matthew, you should be proud of your party coming to the aid of Sarah!

But as man who calls himself a feminist, tell me what have YOU done to:

(a) alert the media about this treatment of Sarah being unacceptable to you (not NOQ)

(b) write your concerns to HIllary and get a response!

Methinks you’re hitting the wrong target but I haven’t yet figured why, Matthew!!

Matthew Weaver

You’re such a compassionately Feminist Republican Blogtroller.

Wow! You’re so protective of women bashed so unfairly by the misogynist media!

Bravo! Congrats! Kudos! I feel your pain!

Now, go on and write something constructive. Like what did Sarah say about sexism herself!
Right! It doesn’t exist! So be quiet and STOP WHINING, like Sarah says….

Matthew – You, sir, never supported Hillary!!

Ugo,

You’re a good republican or obamatroll!

Why don’t you listen to Sarah. She said (ssee video) that Hillary should not “whine” about sexism. It is something you should “put up with and do your business”!

Sweetie, Listen to Sarah and shut up!

actually she said something more like “not being perceived” as whining

MATTHEW WEAVER, NEW REPUBLICAN!

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HILLARY WAS BEING DEMOLISHED?

WHERE WERE YOU MATTHEW, WHEN SARAH WAS SAYING THAT HILLARY SHOULD NOT “WHINE” BECAUSE SEXISM IS EVERYWHERE, BUT “WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT”!!!

LISTEN TO SARAH, MATTEHW WEAVER

AND QUIT WHINING. USE YOUR MALE CREDENTIALS ESLEWHERE TO EXERT AUTHORITY!

the republican party suits you perfectly !! stick with it!

What?

Matthew Weaver

You are now accusing HIllary of lacking character and leadership!

Gee, thanks, your newly minted republican creds have made you a wise hypocrite!

Cut the crap, Matthew. As member of the privileged Master Sex, you can’t come here and boss us around.

Palin thinks there’s no sexism. PALIN INSULTED HILLARY TELLING HER SHE’S A ‘WHINER’
AND SO ARE YOU!

pumas will bite your hypocritical, mud-rising ear off! you sure you’re not Obamatroll?

isn’t this why we have a Democratic majority in congress (the ones without spines unfortunately)

THEY pass laws. NOT the President. The President leads…doesn’t mean they have to follow them over the cliff like the republicans did with GWB and WHICH THEY WOULD DO if Obama the inept is elected

Matthew Weaver is either a REpublican or Obamatroll!

How can HIllary compalin about sarah without being perceived as a WHINER??

Even Palin herself I saw here at No Quarter video said that “HIllary shouldn’t whine becuse sexism is everywhere and she should just go on and do what she does”

If Sarah doesn’t believe in Whining, dear Ole Colmfie Boy Mattehw, why should HRC take the fight!

She’s got good ole boys liek Mattehw to take up the fight!

give me the website *g*

Cinderella,

take your glass slippers and stick in B.Hussein’s ears! nice try Troll…nice boys like you should get extra allowance from mam and pop sweetie!

As a HIllary supporter, why is McCain Palin the ONLY choice?

Cynthia McKinney
Nader
Write-in HIllary

If Republican policies are too far out and restricting thre are other ways than voting for McCain Palin who would rather force pregnancy on an ll-year old who’s been raped or incensed and start new cold war in Georgia!

There are choices and there is prelnty of room for disagreemetn.

This I htought was a true Hilary Clinton site. Let’s not turn it to a fanatic site. Let’s examine ALL options!

And if Hillary-bashing columns like this from Weaver appear, let’s argue rationally with this republican fellow who wants HIllary to do what Sarah said “Don’t! “Hillary your’re whining”–Sara said!

Matthew

Is HIllary teh Leader of the Party? Which party are you referring to?

You are right about people having many nonObama options. People should vote their conscience. Regardless of whether that is a Mckinney vote, a Nader vote, a Barr vote, or a McCain vote, nonObama supporters should respect each others right to choose.

IS MATTEHW WEAVER

WEAVING NO QUARTER INTO

AN

ANTI-HILLARY CLINTON SITE?

shame on Matthew, our new HIllary-basher adn phony dem!

Rendell did.

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yes, hahaha.

I don’t know when or where it first became a topic, but Al Newhirth(?) the OpEd guy for USAToday was actually saying he is in favor of it. The age he said was being discussed is 65. It was Editorial piece last week, and it was probably Thursday or Friday when I read it.