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HOW DARE SHE KEEP THAT BABY ALIVE!

Posted by Mary Ellen of The Divine Democrat

Today while reading No Quarter, there was an interesting post entitled, A NEW LOW, regarding an article in Salon written by a doctor.

After reading the post, I followed the link to read his entire story, hoping to see a sign that this doctor is not the quack that he came off looking like. Personally, I keep a keen lookout for these types because Lord knows there are plenty of them out there. After reading his article I came away with the same feeling I had when I read dcmediagirl’s post … the guy is either a quack, or a man who disingenuously used his position as a physician, leaving out key information, in order to make his point. I’m leaning towards the latter.

In the article, he ponders this…

We could ask, given that Palin had no doubts about seeing her pregnancy through, why she bothered to take a genetic test. Why not, as you might expect a woman in her position and with her outspoken beliefs to do, decline any testing or counseling? Of course, it seems very reasonable to want to know about the health of your baby and to have time to prepare (emotionally and otherwise) for a baby that may have a genetic disorder. But that doesn’t negate the fact that by having a blood test, Palin was given a choice about what to do.

Now, I’m not sure what specialty Doctor Rahul K. Parikh practices, but any doctor who has gone through medical school should know the answer as to why she took this test. He did mention that this would give a woman the opportunity to prepare emotionally…and then added “and otherwise”, but left it at that. How convenient for him that he left out what that “otherwise” was.

That “otherwise” he left out would be that between 40% to 50% of Down Syndrome babies are prone to Atrial Septal Defect, which is an abnormal connection between two atria in the upper chambers of the heart. Now, why would a mother, or the obstetrician of the mother want to know this ahead of time? Because a mother who does want to have her child regardless of the fact he has Downs Syndrome would want to make contact with a Pediatric Cardiac Physician to prepare for the likelihood that the child may need surgery immediately after birth or later if necessary. The Obstetrician would like to know if he will be delivering a Downs Syndrome Child because that way he can be prepared for any complications that may arise during the birth of the child. He may decide to deliver the baby by C-section instead of natural birth so as to make it easier for a baby who may be born with problems with his lungs or heart.

The fact is, Sarah Palin did what ANY mother carrying a baby with Down Syndrome would do, she was assuring that her baby would be born in an environment that would allow the doctor to handle any medical emergencies IN ORDER TO SAVE THE BABY! Now, isn’t that consistent with her pro-life stance?

Oh, and this gets better. The so-called expert in the medical field ended his story with this…

So while I respect Palin’s decision to raise Trig, that’s all the respect she will get from me. I don’t see eye-to-eye with her on anything else: energy, guns, sex education and of course a woman’s right to choose. Her supporters say that Trig signals that she practices what she preaches. But her to decision to have him is also a sign of her hypocrisy. [emphasis mine]

So, here we have a mother who is anti-abortion. And that mother decides to take the test recommended by her Obstetrician to look for possible abnormalities because she is at the age where her child may have Downs Syndrome. She does this because, as I’m sure the doctor explained that the child may have a heart defect and they must be ready for this. I will tell you that is exactly what the doctor said because when I had my fourth child I was 35 years old and even back then this advise was given, and that was quite awhile ago. And this makes her a hypocrite? Well, how dare she want what was best for her child? How dare she do everything she could to be sure that this child would be born into a safe environment!

Those who say that Sarah Palin is on the wrong side of the issue regarding abortion, that’s fine. She is anti-abortion unless the life of the mother is in danger. She is pro contraception because she believes every woman has the right to do all she can not to become pregnant.

So how does going through testing for the child’s best interest and choosing to have the child with Downs Syndrome make her a hypocrite when she’s made it very clear that she is anti-abortion? I say it doesn’t…what do you say?

  • katmandu

    powerful story — this needs to go somewhere

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

      Very powerful. Thanks for writing about this, DD.

      I thought I heard on the radio yesterday someone saying that if you are over 35 you are required to have this procedure done. Not sure if this is true or not.

      That doctor is a joke, and should be seriously reprimanded for what he wrote. How many more comments on mothering will we be hearing from men, exactly? Sexism much?

      These punks and jerks are tying to prevent Palin from becoming the first female VP in our nation’s annals. They want to stop history from being made.

      No way. We have to stare them down and push back.

      Women have waited too long for this chance, and they should not have to wait a moment longer. African-American men had the right to vote decades before women did in America, now it’s time to return the favor and help the ladies up the ladder. Justice demands it.

      • Felizarte

        I am bothered by people who say they are pro-choice, then show disrespect for a woman who chooses how to proceed with her pregnancy. It seems their idea of pro-choice is simply to have an abortion. Women do have choices: to be or not to be pregnant.

        I am aghast at all the tabloids this week that have gone on a rampage against Sarah Palin. I pray there are enough decent voters who will express their outrage on Nov. 4 and show support for women, and a capable woman candidate. This has to stop.

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

          Write, call, boycott, etc.

          They want to shove Obama down our throats. The only way we win is if we hit back hard, and hit them where it hurts — in the wallet.

          I just shot off a couple of emails to Bill Maher and Conan O’Brien about their tasteless jokes about the Palin family.

          If we let these people get away with this, then we will have 4 years of Moron in The White House.

          No way.

          • Idiocracy08

            good! bill maher made me sick last night. he was saying something that he believed Bristol really gave birth to Trig. then he commented on sarah, saying ‘look who we’re talking about’. you’re not talking about sarah, you’re talking about a 17 year old.

            he kept making fun of a 17 year old getting pregnant out of wedlock. does he not know that’s how his messiah was born?

            • Ferd McBerfle

              I used to like Bill Maher. He was politically incorrect, understanding that there was no way one could pick up a turd by its clean end. He changed about 9 months ago, becoming in-your-face misogynist. The pot he’s smoking must be laced with belladonna or maybe dumbcane. I refuse to watch him any longer.

              • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

                Bill Maher has always been a misogynist. I saw him a long time ago at the Playboy website launch party (don’t ask me why I was there, since I hate that sort of thing). He’s always made comments about sex and women. He hasn’t changed on this one whit.

                • Ferd McBerfle

                  I’m sorry but, at least initially, I didn’t see it that way. I did not mean to offend you.

            • Justmy02

              I guess Maher forgot Obama’s mama was not married when he was conceived, and then she proceeded to marry a bigamist…

              I agree that Pro-Choice people have absolutely no business saying anything to Sarah Palin about her decisions to keep Trig. After all, it was her CHOICE, now wasn’t it!

              • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

                Bill Maher had something to say to me when he bashed Bush. However, I canceled HBO because of his disgusting marginalization of women. He’s just silly now. Saw a couple of minutes of his interview on Larry King…seems in spite of all his criticism of Mr. Floppy, he’ll still get Bill’s vote. Just too much in common on the woman hating front, I guess. Aside from MoDo and Huff & Puff, I wonder how women rationalize going on his show. Of course, the two lefty women above are equal opportunity haters so he can always get something from them to prop up his POV.

    • athy

      Katmandu,
      you are correct
      Maty Ellen’s article needs to get out.

      The doctor’s comments were pure propaganda.
      Will the average voter be intellectually sophisticated enough to catch this error in the doctor’s logic and see this article for what it really is- PROPOGANDA.

      Doctor intentionally misled the readers of his comments by presenting an invalid argument.

      “We could ask, given that Palin had no doubts about seeing her pregnancy through, why she bothered to take a genetic test. Why not, as you might expect a woman in her position and with her outspoken beliefs to do, decline any testing or counseling? Of course, it seems very reasonable to want to know about the health of your baby and to have time to prepare (emotionally and otherwise) for a baby that may have a genetic disorder. But that doesn’t negate the fact that by having a blood test, Palin was given a choice about what to do.”

      The doctor left out evidence that would definetely have changed the outcome or conclusion of any reader reading his statement.

      There are MANY MANY reasons why a woman would want the genetic testing-as the good doctor admits HOWEVER he presents the readers with a FALSE DILEMMA.

      Palin never considered abortion as an option. Why is the doctor inferring by his comment below that she did? “WHAT TO DO does not include abortion…

      “But that doesn’t negate the fact that by having a blood test, Palin was given a choice about what to do”

      • Idiocracy08

        let’s say she is pro-choice and needed help with her decision on whether to keep or abort the baby. under an Obama presidency, she’d probably only have the help of his proposed plan of more faith based organizations, who would in turn advise her to keep the baby.

      • tskTsk

        For once I’m siding with MEchelle Obama. The kids are off limits and off topic.
        Get a clue pundits and obots!

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        Perhaps he’s an extra special PHD.

  • sandshark222

    Wish this had its own thread. From the Denver Post:
    http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/09/06/republican-recycling/

    This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

    Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.

    “What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”

    I’m not sure what the DNC was supposed to do with unused hand-flags, frankly. But the Republicans are obviously questioning someone’s patriotism here.

    • Lurker

      The VFW would have gladly taken those unwanted flags. It doesn’t matter what the size or condition; old glory “does not” belong in the TRASH.

      Independent for McCain/Palin

    • Tricia

      FOX just reported the FLAG story

    • HARP

      Biggest PR blunder by Dems EVAH. I thought they were going to have a GREEN convention.

    • sjl106

      you would think they would take them home as momentos. I am watching how the McCain/Palin camp is using them, they are giving them out to the people at there rally in Colorado Springs.

    • PitBull

      The link is broken

    • CountryFirst

      Just heard that the Obama camp is claiming that Republican protesters stole those flags with the intent of trying to embarrass them. “Tell a lie, tell it often enough, and the people will believe it.” The media will be sure this lie is heard over and over!

  • Sassy

    What do I say?
    That so-called doctor should visit an intensive care unit in a neo-natal ward.
    There are numerous infants who require immediate life-saving measures at birth.
    A reputable doctor wants to be ready!

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    How is this different from when Bill Frist did his video exam of Terri Schrivo? Or when doctors refuse to prescribe the morning after pill to women on religious grounds. This guy needs his license yanked.

    • Pink Panther

      Obama’s Vote on Terri Schiavo

      In March 2005, just weeks before Terri Schiavo died from a painful 14-day starvation and dehydration death, the Republican Congress approved legislation transferring the case from state courts to federal courts, delaying her death. When her brain was later autopsied, there was almost NO brain tissue left.

      “An exhaustive autopsy found that Terri Schiavo’s brain had withered to half the normal size since her collapse in 1990 and that no treatment could have remotely improved her condition” (Reference: nytimes. )

      But Obama voted along with the Republican Congress and pro-life Democrats, to have a court intervene rather than have her husband make a decision regarding her life.

      During an April 2007 debate Obama said: “I think professionally the biggest mistake that I made was when I first arrived in the Senate. There was a debate about Terri Schiavo, and a lot of us, including me, left the Senate with a bill that allowed Congress to intrude where it shouldn’t have.”

      During a February 2008 debate Obama was asked name a regret and he said he would like to take back his vote authorizing Congress to intervene to save the life of the brain-injured Florida woman Terri Schiavo.

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Thank you Pink. I did not know that. Obama is not a democrat.

        • Pink Panther

          Strawberry,
          I hope you are blogging on other sites. You are terrific.

          I’ve been a Democrat my entire adult life and Obama’s Democratic Party is NOT the Democratic Party I supported in the beginning.

          The MSM is not getting out the true picture of Obama. He is scary as hell.

          It will only be through the bloggers that the truth comes out about Obama. However, keeping the information on this site is not good enough. We need to spread the truth about Obama.

          “We didn`t leave the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party left us.”

        • PitBull

          Obama is neither DeomcRat nor Republican nor Independent. Truly and honestly his soul is that of Marxist as his mother and grandmother brought him up to be.If I change my party to Republican because of what I have witnessed with the Dem corruption, I’ll always be a Dem. Doesn’t matter what I call myself. It’s about the soul of a party. Too bad most of the Dems in congress have lost their souls if they even had one to begin with.

          • Pink Panther

            We need a new viable party.

          • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

            The Republican Party isn’t much better.. it’s the stupid party.

            Us (ex)Republicans view our own party as stupid, shortsighted, non-assertitive, and unable to communicate

            We view the Democrats as fractured into camps yet still have a basic framework of unity.. we also think they could be ruthless , and sometimes shameless.

            I’m talkig about how we view the politicans of the two sides.. not the regular people.

            Do Democrats think the same way in reverse? (Dems are stupid , shortsighted… and Reps are ruthless etc.)

            • Ferd McBerfle

              As an ex-Democrat, I do think the party was stupid and short-sighted. However, I never thought Republicans were ruthless, just some of their more dogmatic operatives, e.g., Rove.

              • MessyMarcy

                I confess, I did. I used to say that I just could not understand how any woman could be a Republican. I believed Democrats to be generally decent, well-meaning people, although sometimes spineless and inept. I thought Republicans were mostly mean, sexist, greedy people who only cared for themselves. I’m not going to be joining the Republican Party any time soon, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I support or even vote for any Democrat who had a hand in the nomination-stealing, woman-bashing, race-baiting shenanigans coming from the party these days. I’m voting McCain/Palin, and I am absolutely in awe of all the good works with no publicity that Cindy McCain has done. Now I going to try to be through with stereotyping people.

                • MessyMarcy

                  And now I going to resolve to do a better job of proofreading before posting.

                  AM GOING TO in both places.

      • cdo

        I really can not believe people who call themselves “progressive” democrats are such rabid followers of this dimwit.
        You would have thought this vote alone would have kept Obama out of any serious contention among democrats.
        Bush3, good grief.

      • HARP

        Friggin Hypocrite.

      • athy

        Funny that he did not mention this regret at Saddlebrook….

      • jwrjr

        Obama regrets the vote. How nice (dripping with sarcasm). Why didn’t he think of that before he voted? If he should manage to start WW3, is he going to come back later and say that he regrets starting the war?

        • PitBull

          He was for it before he was against it and then he couldn’t make up his mind.
          He is the voice of the current Dem congress. Theya e for it before they were against it all based on how it will affect thier careers and forget about the people.

      • athy

        Also, look at how the whole Terry SChiavo vote was taken-

        This decision was reached by ‘VOICE VOTE’ AND

        NO OFFICIAL TALLY OF THOSE VOTING FOR IT OR AGAINST IT…

        Also- I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY CONGRESS MEMBERS ACTUALLY VOTED FOR IT.

        WHAT IS MEANT BY UNANIMOUS???Sen Obama is hiding under that term “Unanimous decision”

        WHAT WAS THE COUNT?

        WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR IT?

        Talk about Govt transparency…

        Sen Obama is okay about this voting process?

        The decision was controversial and so was the method used to reach it…

        From Wikipedia.org.
        Terry SChiavo-

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Schiavo

        Palm Sunday Compromise
        Main article: Palm Sunday Compromise
        Governor Bush and Congressional Republicans anticipated Greer’s adverse ruling well before it was delivered and worked on a daily basis to find an alternative means of overturning the legal process by utilizing the authority of the United States Congress. On March 20, 2005, the Senate, by unanimous consent, passed their version of a relief bill; since the vote was taken by voice vote, there was no official tally of those voting in favor and those opposed. Soon after Senate approval, the House of Representatives passed an identical version of the bill S.686, which came to be called the “Palm Sunday Compromise” and transferred jurisdiction of the Schiavo case to the federal courts. The bill passed the House on March 21 at 12:41 a.m. EST.

        President Bush flew to Washington D.C. from his vacation in Texas in order to sign the bill into law at 1:11 a.m. EST.

        As in the state courts, all of the Schindlers’ federal petitions and appeals were denied, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to grant certiorari, effectively ending the Schindlers’ legal options.

      • Badger

        Actually, that’s not quite true. One Democratic Senator voted and he voted with the Republicans. It was Tom Harkin who is a pro-choice liberal from Iowa and a former presidential candidate himself. Senator Harkin is very involved with disability rights and many in that community have serious issues with the “right to die” movement.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      Excellent point! I didn’t think of that!

  • CB

    One of the most beautiful and memorable children in
    my neighborhood when I was growing up was a Down’s
    syndrome child. We didn’t know that term, he was just
    very special. Everyone loved him.

  • John

    It shows what heartless monsters people can be, especially towards women that threaten their dominance.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      When those Bots were busy smearing Sarah Palin with the lie that the baby wasn’t her own (which was bad enough), I saw this comment on another blog.

      Down Syndrome, my ass.
      I prefer the more accurate term, “drunken teenage mother fetal alcohol syndrome.”

      Yeah, I said it.

      Could you believe that? When I went to this girl’s profile, she claimed she was a journalist and worked in Public Relations. Honestly…not only are they monsters, but they lie through their teeth to build themselves up. This was minor compared to some of the stuff I’ve seen this dipwad write on her own blog and others. No journalist would write this stuff…hell, no human being worth their salt would write that about a baby or a teen ager. But they think the kids are fair game…even the infant.

      • Hope Floats

        When I went to this girl’s profile, she claimed she was a journalist and worked in Public Relations.

        It’s all in that sad little head of hers, no doubt.

  • candymarl

    I agree with you. Palin’s personal beliefs do not allow for abortion. So if she’d had one that would make her a hypocrite and I’d agree.

    People who want Roe v Wade overturned also don’t believe in contraception. Palin does.

    Unless this person was her physician he has no idea what he’s talking about. Every pregnancy is different.
    Looks like we’ve got the “liberal” version of Frist. You know, the kind of doctor that is not personally involved in case, but can diagnose from afar.

    Implying that any infant with possible genetic birth defects should be aborted smacks of Eugenics. That’s a dangerous place to go.

    • StrawberrybitesBarky

      It’s one step up from aborting female babies for cultural reasons in my book.

    • moi61537

      Our second son was born when we were both in our middle thirties. We had concerns about birth defects and if a test had been available, we would have done it. If our son would have tested in vitro for Downs Syndrome owe would have not aborted him. Turns out he did have a cleft lip and had 7 surgeries before he was 9 years old. The first when he was a few days old. He endured a fair amount a ridicule when in a public day care/school. After moving to a Christian day care/school, no one ever teased him or harassed him. He’s now a Lutheran minister. I think the Dr. is way off and shows a callous disregard for the agony parents of kids w/ “differences” sometimes suffer.

      • Eden

        Great story. I think this stuff is connecting with a lot of families.

  • http://www.thepetitionsite.com/148/petition-to-urge-hillary-clinton-to-run-as-an-independate Mary Cusack

    Lite a Candle for Sara
    http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PALIN
    Have her lite shine all over

  • http://www.gendergappers.blogspot.com twandx

    Has anyone received an e-mail that is very derrogatory toward Sarah? I got one today from former H supporters but we all know H had nothing to do with it. But it smells like something out of the cheeto swamp land.

    I won’t promulgate the crap but will copy the first few lines here. There must be people who would track this down.

    “Date: September 2, 2008 9:32:48 AM EDT
    Subject: Sarah Palin written by an Alaskan

    Dear friends,

    So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
    last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

    Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
    common: their gender and their good looks. : )

    You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
    with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
    any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

    Thanks,
    Anne

    ABOUT SARAH PALIN

    • propertius

      I got this letter, too. It was sent by a former Edwards supporter who drank the Kool-Aid. He’s an attorney (and a former Assistant DA), so he really should know better – but then he was also the one who threatened to campaign against me if I didn’t fall into line for Obama. *That* stopped when I pointed out that I had never held elective office and never planned to run for anything. He still sends me Obot
      propaganda, and I always reply with stuff from NQ, Confluence, Reclusive Leftist, or Anglachel. It’s made for a very entertaining summer.

    • s. hall

      twandx — I received that e-mail from an aquaintance. I wrote back respectfully — Love ya but I hate that garbage please don’t send anything like that to me again. What followed was an angry e-mail telling me I was destroying the Democratic Party. Hillary was finished and I should just get over it. No I told her the Democratic Party is finished–when they attack women they attack their base at their own peril. After the election it is they who will have to get over it.

      • fluffy bunny

        Well, you’re nicer than I. And still the person went nuts.

    • Hope Floats

      Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
      common: their gender and their good looks. : )

      Ponder that.

      • s. hall

        hope floats — Mysogny Rules.

        So a man with no more experience than being a Community Organizer is lauded by a Party while the woman with 35 years of experience gets the shaft.

        If Sarah Palin becomes VP she is winning for Hillary who made this path possible and for all women she will finally break that glass ceiling. This lifetime former Democrat salutes her.

        • Lochos Vestu

          Nope, prefer Hillary wins the Presidency instead.

          HILLARY 2012!!!

          • imustprotest

            If Obamasoretoro wins do you think there will be ANY possibility for Hillary in 2012? I don’t. If the Chicago thugs get ahold of the WH, you can bet they’re not letting go of it anytime soon.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      That sounds more like something coming out of the Obama campaign and his “Chicago” style of dirty campaigning.

    • CountryFirst

      Yes I got that one:

      ABOUT SARAH PALIN

      I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.

      Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a

      It is signed by Anne Kilkenny

      this is the url of the letter:
      http://sites.google.com/site/letterfromwasilla/

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        Well! I guess her new name should be Sarah, the Ruthless Baracuda. She’s made a few enemies.

        She reminds me of a living example of Talulah Bankhead’s motto “Never explain, Never apologize and Never look back.”

  • Maria3

    Essentially, wasn’t Palin exercising her choice to keep the baby. Isn’t that what pro-choice is? Your choice and no one else.

    You are expected to respect those that abort down syndrome babies as their choice, but not support those that choice to keep the baby.

    Thank you for the powerful story.

    And I just have to say… when I saw that baby’s eyes look out to the audience I fell in love with the little guy.

    • jwrjr

      Palin is personally anti-abortion. If she does not try to force that on others (which I understand is the case) then what is the problem? It is the ones who try to force their beliefs on others who must be opposed.

  • RepublicanChick

    7 Myths, Lies, and Untruths about Sarah Palin

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/top-7-myths-lies-and-untruths-about-sarah-palin/

    Something to keep handy when the Obots start their crap.

    • s. hall

      chick — thanks I will use these talking points in my arguments with my Democrat friends.

  • cpl

    I say if any woman wants to know all they can about their unborn baby that is their business and their business only. Don’t doctors even operate on unborn babies today when there is something wrong that can be corrected? I don’t know much about that, I am an older man. But seems I read about doctors operating on unborn babies to correct some things before they can become worse. Is that not a good reason to have those tests done?

    • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard “Barracuda” Nedich

      yes, in fact i saw a bbc documentary the other day where a doctor used a robot to do this…

      also, as someone who has gone through the experience of a miscarriage i can tell you that the doctors wanted to run all sorts of test very early on on my partner when we got pregnant again…

      only Palin’s doctor can make any sort of comment (not that he/she would anyway) but this doctor needs to shut the fuck up…

      what an ass…

      a. hillary
      b. mccain

      america first!

      • cpl

        Seems the program I seen was also about robotic operations on unborn babies.

      • Ferd McBerfle

        That reminds me of Dr. Quack Frist making pronouncements in the Terri Schiavo case. He was proven entirely wrong after the autopsy but never did make any amends, e.g., an apology to the husband.

        If a doctor isn’t directly involved in a case, his/her opinion is not of much use.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      Yes, sometimes certain defects in the heart or digestive system can be operated on in utero. That’s why these tests are so important. What the doctor did in that story in Salon was to leave out pertinent information in order to make a political point, which IMO, is morally reprehensible and a clue as to the lack of character he has. And that’s putting it as mildly as I can.

      • cpl

        Not being a woman I can only say it seems as if it would be wrong for a woman NOT to have those tests done if she can afford it. Afterall isn’t it all about the well being of the baby and the mother? But there again I think that is a personel matter that only the mother should decide and all others be damned. We have all taken sick children to doctors, so why not the not yet born be afforded the same care.

  • zozosmom

    I think the contradiction between Obama’s Schiavo vote and his “Born Alive” vote indicates the guy doesn’t actually believe in anything. He does whatever he thinks is most politically expedient at the moment. As he himself said, any reflection on the meaning of life is “above his pay grade.” This is fundamentally why he scares me. He has no moral compass at all – there is no predicting what he will do.

    • Hope Floats

      His church made him vote the way he did on Born Alive. That is why the vote buying corrupt Chicago Machine, of which TUCC serves as an arm, is the last thing we need in Washington. We don’t need a community organizer like that in the White House. And if you are curious about Obama’s church and Christ Hospital, Jill Stanek has elaborated on the board members, Advocate Health, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright himself and most chillingly, Obama attacking Stanek when she testified about the killing of infants who survived abortions. When he cross-examined her, he sarcastically brought up a hoffific neo-natal Soilent Green killing room that they called a “Comfort Room” at Christ Hospital. It was to torment the parents who had these abortions gone awry with photographs, booties and blankets, ID bracelets and everything else that goes with a healthy and successful childbirth.

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      I could not agree more. He has no moral compass (and the DNC has no integrity anymore), and I think that makes him EXTREMELY dangerous. I may not agree with McCain/Palin on policy, but both of them seem to be honorable people. I cannot say that for Obama. No way.

      Hey, Divine – AWESOME post! Oh, and that twit you mentioned with the “fetal alcohol” thing is EXACTLY the kind of people who seem to have swarmed to Obama. Another good reason not to support him, IMHO.

      • cpl

        Animals, they are not human. Leastwise not in the sense of the word from which the word “humane” was derived.

      • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

        Thanks Amy! Yeah…they are a crude bunch, aren’t they. Not all of them, I know a lot of very nice Obama supporters who are intelligent and well mannered. Then there are the scum, those are the one’s I call Obamabots. The others I just call Obama supporters.

    • cpl

      People like Obama are not civilized. No conscience. Animalistic bastards and any other nasty thing that can be said about people like him. I should not say animalistic because even animals protect their young. But of course Obama later qualified his thoughts on that matter when he said “I wouldn’t want my daughter SADDLED WITH A PROBLEM THAT SHE DID NOT WANT”.

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        “punished by being forced to have a baby”. No connection with him that it would be his grandchild. I don’t want any future generation of my family aborted. Even as pro-choice. That would be my choice. I ask my grandsons to look for a woman as beautiful, loving, sweet, caring and responsible as their own mother. Good way to avoid abortion.

  • s. hall

    I think we have to look at being pro-choice as being more than pro-abortion. Life is a choice also. I may not have chosen to have a down syndrome baby but I love Sarah more for the choice she made.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      Indeed. I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this before, but she does walk her talk and that is a breath of fresh air.

  • bemused

    This man had his conclusion first (Palin = bad) and wrote a spin backwards trying to justify that–probably he’s projecting his own conviction that the baby should have been aborted and can’t see that his conclusion is incompatible with her process.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      Very astute post. He had an agenda and reverse-engineered information to fit that agenda. I see this sort of irrational argument all the time-from Obama’s androids.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    “I’m not sure what specialty Doctor Rahul K. Parikh practices”

    Pediatrics

    That’s how he knew her odds in having a Downs Syndrome child were about 1 in 30.

    There is no point in getting pissed about this until you talk to Palin’s doctor. Maybe he gave her a bum steer, maybe not and she willfully went ahead with a risky pregnancy. You don’t know, but no sweat, blogs aren’t usually reservoirs of reason, are they?

    For me it’s enough that she profiles a latter-day Phyllis Schlafly. Schlafly hasn’t endorsed yet (she still lives) and I will find it interesting if she does.

    Party on feminists.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      Smilin Jim- I knew the odds of having a DS baby and didn’t need to go to medical school to find out. I also knew about the importance of having these tests done, especially if you plan on keeping the baby. Again..without going to medical school. My point is, the guy is either a lousy doctor (and I’m not willing to pay to see how many malpractice suits he’s had filed against him) or, as I said before, the man purposely left out information in order to make Sarah look bad. His last sentence in that story tells it all…the man is of low moral character and a fraud.

      • Ferd McBerfle

        He is not her doctor and has no business making any pronouncements at all. I’d say his interest begins and ends with his own agenda.

        • Steven Mather

          Malpractise candidate-in-the-making, Dr Parikh misinterpreted the axiom “Physician, heal thyself” to mean “Physician, HEEL thyself,” which he further misinterpreted to mean that he should make himself into a heel. Proper practise of his Hippocratic oath would have lead him to forego speaking, i.e., hold back or heel himself. He should apologize and prescribe himself a high colonic as a means of healing himself.

      • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

        No sweat, no one (well at least not everyone) believes blogs to be reservoirs of enlightenment.

        Johnson, has this been a false flag demo for Berg all these months? If so, you have my admiration and my compliments.

    • bemused

      Ah. I’ve worked in pediatrics. Shocking but true: professional caregivers can definitely see situations where in their judgment, it would serve the world better to not expend resources on a hopeless case. The Schiavo family is a perfect example of this dilemma between caregivers of different philosophies. But still, this doctor has totally lost it to make a preemptive judgment about the condition of a child that hasn’t even been born yet, and again, I have to accuse him of projecting his own frustrations from his own experience. Things are a lot better now for DS babies and it’s due to bulldog mothers.

  • katmandu

    OT but interesting. It looks like Obama’s house deal was not the only suspicious one. Biden got a sweet deal, perhaps, because of credit card giant MNBA. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/questions-about.html

    (ABC story has link to exhaustive Wilmington newspaper story.)

    • fluffy bunny

      MBNA … gee, I wonder why Biden was all for that bankrupcy bill the credit card companies were so excited to see passed?

      I cancelled my MNBA card after that. Poor customer service girl seemed kinda baffled by my explanation.

    • athy

      Read why credit card industry loves Obama/Biden

      “The final version of the bill was cleverly titled the “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005,” but it wasn’t aimed at preventing abuse or protecting consumers, and everyone knew it.”
      Joe Biden: No True Friend of Working Men and Women by Jackson Williams

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-williams/joe-biden-true-friend-of_b_120776.html

      Sen Obama’s position on credit card bill…

      http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

      • CountryFirst

        I’m so glad you posted that link to The Obama Craze. Its great factual information about the real Barack Obama!

  • cdo

    How does one justify making Palin’s personal parental choices any part of a national debate?

    I really do not understand these so-called democrats…this is OUT OF BOUNDS. What part of being a democrat does this fall under? Jeebus!

    I know I am not the only person to recall the Clinton’s first few weeks in the White House. A handful of Republicans started to jeer when the Clinton’s decided to send Chelsea to a private school. (The Carter’s had Amy attend public school in D.C.) But that little brouhaha was shut down REALLY fast. Even the damn republicans had to shut up and recognize that somethings are OUT OF BOUNDS. The ability of a parent to decide what is best for their family is pretty high up there.

  • imustprotest

    I adopted a child with special needs. The birth mother of this child had no prenatal care and obviously knew nothing about the serious consequences of delivering this child vaginally. Had doctors been aware, a C-section would have been performed to reduce the very real potential and risk of more damage and possible death. Fortunately, although born indeed with severe handicaps, she was otherwise healthy. That beautiful baby is today is my daughter. My pride, my joy and my inspiration.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      Bless your heart, and thank goodness there are people out there like you who don’t look upon these children as damaged goods. The fact is, if Palin is our VP, we know there will be an advocate for special needs children in the White House. I can’t imagine what Michelle Obama would choose as her role as First Lady…”Keepin’ down whitey”? Joe Biden would probably be an advocate for the Credit Card Company.

  • NOBAMA

    Dear Sarah Palin,

    Wash my Dishes!

    Sincerely,
    Barrack Obama

  • Gianni

    It is time to revisit the Whitey tape. There are new rublings that it is indeed real, and that it will be released very near the election to maximize damage to Obama and to minimize their ability to react and provide spin. Any updates on this? It looks lik some powerful or wealthy Republican operatives have a copy of the tape, which they procured before TUCC withdrew and purged all the copies they had. Also, it appears that the Michelle Obama rant was not made from the TUCC pulpit, so the Obama disavowal that Michelle has never preached from the pulpit is irrelevant.

    Anyway, the month of October looks like it’s going to be very interesting indeed.

    • HARP

      Count on it.

    • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

      I understand it was from a conference sponsored by The Rainbow Push Coalition and it was a woman’s luncheon hosted by Rev. Jesse Jackson with Michelle Obama and Shoshanna Johnson as special guests and the very special Mrs. Louis Farrakhan attending. Guess that’s where the TUCC website connection comes in for the sale of the CD of the conference. Pulled from the site as soon as the assertions were made.

      Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & Citizenship Education Fund Annual Conference

      “2004: A YEAR OF CRITICAL CHOICES FOR INCLUSION AND GROWTH”

      Everyone who was anyone attended the conference with William Jefferson Clinton speaking on the final day.

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        That was the early information I heard. If anyone has something different…I can always admit to being wrong…unlike Barry and MEchille. This might be the one where she wanted to scratch out Bill’s eyes because he killed everyone in Rwanda.

        A failing he admits to (not acting on the genocide).

  • Gianni

    It is time to revisit the Whitey tape. There are new rumblings that it is indeed real, and that it will be released very near the election to maximize damage to Obama and to minimize their ability to react and provide spin. Any updates on this? It looks lik some powerful or wealthy Republican operatives have a copy of the tape, which they procured before TUCC withdrew and purged all the copies they had. Also, it appears that the Michelle Obama rant was not made from the TUCC pulpit, so the Obama disavowal that Michelle has never preached from the pulpit is irrelevant.

    Anyway, the month of October looks like it’s going to be very interesting indeed.

  • katmandu

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FEANF9dR_8

    Sally Quinn (still an airhead in my book) now thinks Palin is wonderful and will be a formidable opponent.

    • fluffy bunny

      gosh, I wonder if the thousands of critical emails she surely received had anything to do with her revised opinion?

      lame

    • fluffy bunny

      Sally Quinn is one of those women who gained her position through the influence of her husband. I’m sure a woman like Palin just offends the hell out of her. How dare she start out in PTA and rise through the levels of her profession all on her own?

      Of course I’d be curious to see if Quinn ever wrote any articles attacking Hillary for supposedly getting where she is only because she’s married to Bill. Maybe it’s only that twit Maureen Dowd who is “brilliant” enough to make both those assertions.

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        That would be Sally Quinn, home wrecker. I thought she was really in outer space…Does she not think we remember how she slept her way to the sort of top?

  • nobonomo

    Of course there is a whitey tape. Whether or not it ever reaches the media remains to be seen.

    Is there a youtube video of the Fox interview with Bob Beckel where it was discussed. He looked like he was going to lose his lunch, the same way he looked the morning on Fox when it was announced who McCain picked as a running mate.

    Something happened behind the scenes because the topic was never mentioned again. It was obvious that the tape exists.

  • Susan1968

    I was talking with a female client yesterday. She lives near Denver. Now, usually I NEVER discuss politics with clients because you never know where they stand.

    But she brought it up saying she went down to the convention area to see what was happening. Then she said she’s a registered Democrat. So I told her I was too and came out with “I supported Hillary.” She said she did too.

    And then we worked our way to the main question: Will either of us vote for Obama?

    And here was the kicker — she got turned off to the Obama camp during her district caucus.

    She went on to tell me what happened and how the Obama people manipulated her caucus. She saw with her own eyes people voting more than once and NO ONE was checking ID.

    She felt it wasn’t something spontaneous — she felt it was orchestrated and that the Obama people knew exactly what they were doing.

    She also told me that she has shared her experiences with others and people who were going to be loyal Democrats are now backing away from Obama in very recent weeks.

    For her, the treatment of Sarah in the press simply comfirmed the anger she felt at how Hillary was treated and she will vote for McCain. She also mentioned every Democrat in her circle is leaning toward McCain too.

    On Roe V Wade — she said, “Does the Obama camp think we’re all stupid? It won’t be overturned.”

    I think the polls are incapable of measuring the constant shifts created by cable news.

    I think the DNC is clearly nervous. As they should be.

    The fact that she tells me people she knows are shifting to McCain only now is very revealing.

    • Lets go off the cliff

      Why do you think Roe V. Wade won’t be overturned. There are four committed votes for overturning it right now. The next retirement two or three retirements will be from those who support Roe.

      • Hope Floats

        Your screen name is awesome – great name for a band.

    • athy

      susan1968

      http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/

      This is excellent site too…

      http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

      Did your friend report this to anyone? If not-she still has time-tell her to post on these two blogs and document her experience while giving as much detail as possible- day, time, location, names of people if she got any…etc…

  • Idiocracy08

    you know what PISSES me off most when i really start to think about it? these are probably the same people who disagree with the death penalty against people who were found guilty of a crime, but WANT you to abort your innocent baby because a test shows the baby has a birth defect. ???

    do you know how many doctors and tests are wrong??? what if you aborted that baby only because you thought it would be born with a defect, only to find out later the tests or doctors were wrong???

    and these are the same people who believe strictly in evolution. doesn’t evolution say “the strongest survive”? so aborting babys with defects just to weed them out, isn’t true evolution.

    i’ve been a democrat all my life. i haven’t always agreed with everyone in the party, but that’s why i thought i loved it….we are inclusive to everyone. there’s no room for me in that party anymore. i’m pro-choice, but i do have conditions with my belief: i.e. not late term ones & to please give the baby treatment if it survies the abortion! (remember…only the strong survive)

    i believe in God, but i do believe in evolution. human evolution is another thing though…i don’t know where i stand on that. it’s ok to say we evolved from monkeys, but no one ever answers me where the monkeys came from.

    one reason i don’t believe in the death penalty is because there is someone that gives the lethal injection. to me, that’s turning that person into a murderer. the other most important reasons are because there have been mistakes, and innocent people have been put to death. the same reason i’m afraid of women getting abortions just because a test showed the baby could or does have a defect. human error.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      it’s ok to say we evolved from monkeys, but no one ever answers me where the monkeys came from.

      We evolved from a common ancestor, not “monkeys”. Monkeys would be distantly related cousins, as it were. If you want answers to you other questions, there are plenty of websites devoted to such information.

      • Idiocracy08

        i was just going with what they teach you in elementary regarding the monkeys.

        if evolution is the only way we got here, where did those “common ancestors” come from?

        • Ferd McBerfle

          Our common ancestor evolved from a more primitive ancestor and so on. There are gaps in the line, which are steadily being filled. Will we ever have the entire chain? Probably not.

          I see where you’re going and Ill only say that the questions you ask are perhaps not entirely answerable any more than one can answer who created God or God’s creator, etc. Beyond that, I have no answers.

          • Idiocracy08

            i was more or less just saying that probably the people attacking Sarah for having her baby believe strickly in evolution, and therefore should believe in the strongest survive…and that getting an abortion isn’t natural evolution.

            i was pointing out that i believe in God, but i also believe in evolution – just question human evolution. i don’t disbelive it, just more like a kid going “why, but why, but why”

            btw- i love all your posts and you can really crack me up at times. i don’t think i’ve seen a post from you that i have disagreed with.

            • Ferd McBerfle

              I understand your questions and hope I didn’t sound abrupt. Even as a scientist, I often ask those same questions you do. I just don’t have a lot of answers, frankly. It’s above my paygrade, so to speak.

              I have also enjoyed reading your posts and agree with you. You are always to the point.

              Thanks for the conversation.

      • http://firefox AnnieCarmel

        Righto…Intelligent Design and Evolution can go hand and hand.

        • Ferd McBerfle

          Only in a course on culture or comparative religion or the like. It cannot be taught as a science because it violates the scientific method by using an a priori argument to justify its claims.

  • wodiej

    he sounds like a sexist pig to me.

  • wodiej

    I don’t know how I feel about the death penalty.

    On abortion I am pro choice but I think women need to take more responsibility for their own bodies. Practice abstinence and use birth control. Alot of women are just careless and irresponsible about it.

    • Idiocracy08

      i’m pretty much a hypocrite about the death penalty.

      on one hand, it didn’t bother me when they executed Ted Bundy. i laughed when McDonald’s had a sign by the jail that said “free fries when bundy fries”. this is because he kept getting released & escaping from prison. and then there are the child murderers. i have no problem with them getting the death penalty.

      then we have charles manson…sitting in jail…getting laughed at. he does not pose a threat, like bundy did. also, there are mistakes, so that really bothers me.

      there was an HBO movie called “Somebody Has to Shoot the Picture” back in the early 90s. it was only shown a couple of times, but it was very powerful. that movie made me decide i’m anti-death penalty….except in certain cases where you KNOW the person did it.

      • Hope Floats

        I am against the death penalty. Jail for the prisoners on death row is a long and lonely sentence, and I believe people should be given the chance to realize their crime rather than be spared that opportunity and killed “for the sake of the taxpayer.” No reduced sentences. And jail is not a ind place for pedophiles. They need the kind of punishment that only the most badass of our criminals can give them. Psychology fails at that level IMO. Jail is a good thing, and it is the best way to deal with criminals.

  • Artemis

    Little Trig Palin and Bridget McCain reveal a great deal about their parents. I seem to recall that Obama quoted from the book of Matthew at the Saddleback debate – “Whatsoever you do unto the least of these…”
    Obama may talk it, but McCain and Palin walk it.

  • Lets go off the cliff

    Whether Palin choose to have her baby or not is her business. Same with her daughter. However, she does not believe that. She fought for a law that would have forced her daughter to have her baby. No choice. She also cut the budget for special needs children.
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php

    If you care about special needs children after their born, McSame/Palin is the wrong choice.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      You should get your information from a more objective source, bot.

      • Lets go off the cliff

        The budget document from the state of Alaska? Probably controlled by Rezko or Wright.

        • Ferd McBerfle

          Your link was to no such document–it took me to a hack website and I went no further. If you want to post links, as least post them to the original.

    • Hope Floats

      There was nothing in the article you linked about a law that would ban abortions in Alaska. MAYBE YOU’RE LYING?

      And the article also REFUTED your claim about cutting the budget for special needs schools. Do you just assume we’re too lazy to read?

      Here:

      Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009 (all pdfs).

      UPDATE: This is wrong. As you can see if you look at the list of component budgets here (2007) and here (2009), funding for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy was broken out into its own budget category, which accounts for the drop in funding for the original item. I regret the error. Thanks to rory in comments.END UPDATE.

    • http://me414.wordpress.com/ The Divine Democrat

      You need to look at that cutting the budget for special needs children rumor you are spreading. Although it is true she cut some out of the budget, that group had already received a large sum (I don’t have the figures in front of me but I’m sure you can find them) about a million dollars just a year prior. Not to mention, the money that she took from that bill (which still left a considerable sum for the special needs children, went to other charitable causes that were ignored in that bill. Before you spread dirt, you should look more carefully for the fine print. Just sayin’….

  • onmomnaturesside

    OT but of interest.
    I am not a fan of Michelle Malkin, but she calls it like she sees it and this article calls out Obamba and gets right to the root of some of his problems.
    The article is from National Review from yesterday.
    It’s called: “Well Deserved Mockery

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2UxY2FlMWZhMzFkYTE1MDQ3NjY3OWRhYmIwMjA3Y2Q=

    • Lets go off the cliff

      From the person who defended the internment of Japanese Americans. Nice.

      • Steven Mather

        Let’s try a thought experiment. Imagine yourself as a person, not of Japanese ancestry, born in 1905 and raised in the social milieu of the era. Would you have supported internment?

        (Obviously, it depends on who you imagine yourself to be, so attempt the “not easy” task of envisioning yourself as a “generic” person of your gender.)

        I imagine you will discover that hindsight is 20/20.

        Let’s jump ahead. How many people regret supporting the Bush adminstration’s call for war against Iraq?

        The statement “It seemed like a good idea at the time” is more than a cliche.

        Supporting Obama, McCain, one of the other candidates, or none of them, can result in reiterating the statement. Welcome to the world of imperfect knowledge.

    • athy

      onmomnatureside
      Thanks for link.
      Also- here is more info on Sen Obama’s community organizing and what that really meant…

      http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway
      Saul Alinsky philosophy? Followed exactly or greatly altered?

      http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=10
      More about Alinsky approach..& Obama’s practice…

      http://tnr.com/talkback.html?id=2e0a7836-b897-4155-864c-25e791ff0f50

      What did Sen Obama accomplish? Was the approach wrong…or was Sen Obama just plain ineffective?

  • Artemis

    to lets go off the cliff:
    Cutting spending???? That’s supposed to make me NOT vote for McCain Palin? Try again.

    • Lets go off the cliff

      So what exactly do you think she means when she says she will be and advocate of for families with special needs children? As Obama said, the Republicans will say you’re on your own.

      • Hope Floats

        Drop the special needs argument. Your article says its original assertion was wrong and apologized for the error.

  • Pink Panther

    Obama’s Fundraiser Said Palin Is Putting Her Career Above Family

    Would Obama's supporters have said this about a men?

    An original member of Barack Obama’s finance committee said Friday that Sarah Palin is putting her career above her family by accepting the nomination as John McCain’s running mate.

    Howard Gutman made the argument on “The Laura Ingraham Show,” telling the radio host that the Palin should focus her energy on her unwed, pregnant teenage daughter.

    “If my daughter had just come home at 17 years old and said, ‘Mom, Dad, I’m pregnant, we have a family problem,’ I wouldn’t say, ‘You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to take this private family problem … I’m going to go on the international stage and broadcast it to the world’,” he said.

    Obama’s Democratic Party: Home of Sexism, Misogyny, Racism, and the Glass Ceiling for Women

    • Hope Floats

      The Palins didn’t “go on the international stage and broadcast it to the world.” They kept it a private matter until Andrew Sullivan, the NYT and several other news sources reported an unfounded, ridiculous, easily disproved smear from an anonymous blogger on The Daily Kos whose IP address was traced to David Plouffe, the Obama media spokesman. AKP Media sent out that smear.

    • Ani

      Obama has shown himself to be lower than low by sending his henchman out to say this kind of crap.

      He does not deserve to keep his Senate seat much less be President.

  • Retired

    I guess the moral of this story is that Republican women have the right to choose–unless they choose life.

  • Gianni

    Why has not more been made about the obvious connection between Obama and the Marxist radical Saul Alinsky? Just about everything Obama has done since the age of 24 is right out of the playbook of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Obama’s comment about bitter small town Americans cling to their guns and religion are lines right out of Alinsky’s book. Alinsky instructed people like Obama to use stealth and to hide their radical agenda as carefully as possible. So when things are reported that Obama did not expect to be widely reported, such as those comments to highrollers at a San Francisco private fundraiser, his true agenda leaks out.

    Compare what Obama said to Alinsky’s view of the middle classes as “fearful people threatened on all sides” who “cling to illusory fixed points” and who are characterized by “bitterness.” This is striking.

    The Clintons also read Alinsky, but they were from a different era, the hippie era of peace, love, and understanding. They rejected the thuggish political pragmatics that Alinsky espoused, and they never carried through the more onerous aspects of Alinsky’s agenda. In fact they rejected it. But Obama embraced it, and even improved upon it, finding TUCC and Black Liberation Theology, a Marxist doctrine fronting as a “Christianity.” He killed two birds with one stone. Perfect.

    Anyway, there are some serious issues here, and people need to pay attention. For an interesting analysis of the Obama-Alinsky connection, see

    http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4417&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=48

    • athy

      Gianni-
      Good post-thanks for link.
      Also-see my post above where I include an additional 3 links discussing Alinsky/Obama

      • Gianni

        Athy, thanks for the heads up. I missed your post and I’ll go check it out.

  • ugo

    America this your country, are you going to cast your vote for the one that use race and guilt to qualify himself and pretend that he is being questioned because he look different, when it is ok for him, he reminds that his grandmother is just like you and at a different time he hides behind the black community? Which one is he?

    Or are you going to vote for the candidate that is vetted and you know where he stood all along?

    I am going with the devil I know. My candidate is Sen. John S. MacCain.

    How about you?

    It is your country. What is best for your country?

    This country make history everyday, it is time for at least a woman Vice President. Don’t you think?

    God bless the children, God bless United States of American.

  • PitBull

    Here is the profile of Maverick Sarah Palin our next Vice President. In case you missed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddRoiVWfLyU

  • WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

    I was grocery shopping today and Sarah Palin’s lovely face is already hitting some of the mags…Us for one…the headline is negative, something like Babies, Lies and ……..

    BO and MO on the other hand, are plastered all over, smiling and in company with their 2 daughters, and are being portrayed as the perfect family.

  • Stewie

    Yeah, the Obamaphiles ignore that Barack’s mom Ann Dunham was 17 years old and not married when she was knocked up by Barack Sr., a bigamist Muslim goatherder who already had a wife (named Kezia) and two kids back in Africa.

    It appears that Ann Dunham is the only white Christian-born woman in American history who married two different Muslims (Barack Sr. and Lolo Soetoro)of two races different from her own.

    Barack Jr. is the only “Christian” presently known to be in the United States who has two Arabic names and who had both a Muslim father and a Muslim stepfather.

    The “Christian” church that Barack joined in 1988, Trinity, sells Nation of Islam DVDs and gave a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. According to Jerome Corsi’s book Obama Nation, Jeremiah Wright, Barack’s spiritual mentor and father figure, was at one time a Black Muslim.

    Things that make you go hmmm.

    Just say no to Obama Bin Biden — Sen. Smug and Sen. Plugs.

    • Garfield

      What is the difference between “Muslim” and “Moslim”?

  • Stewie

    Obama’s beloved Saul Alinsky, in the forward to his book Rules For Radicals, dedicated the book to the very “first radical — Lucifer.” I kid you not.

    How fitting for Barack, who represents the Chicago 60606 zipcode in the Senate.

  • Stewie

    As an attorney, I can assure you that Roe v. Wade is not going to be overturned though various limitations on abortions will continue to be implemented — reflecting the majority view in the USA.

    Polls show most Americans favor a right to choose during the first trimester but 72% support banning partial-birth abortions, a horrific procedure (never medically necessary) that Barack is a big advocate of. If his teenaged single mom had done it, we wouldn’t have to worry about the lying Obamessiah becoming President.

    • Garfield

      There are also other methods now in use that were not readily available when Roe v. Wade was decided (e.g., Morning After Pill, Abortion Pill).

  • IndianaDem

    The last paragraphs of the quoted article were corrected to prevent just such a misinterpretion of the author’s point, which I believe was actually this:

    By taking a genetic test, Palin obtained information that allowed her to make a choice. She made her choice, in accordance with her own beliefs.

    The hypocrisy lies in the fact that she supports a pro-life position that would deny that same choice to other women, who might choose differently because they hold different beliefs.

    Some, for instance, might strongly believe the early termination of a pregnancy that will result in the development of a child afflicted with Down’s Syndrome to be the most moral course. They might view a 15-week fetus only as a potential human life, not as a child. They might view Ms. Palin’s own choice as a morally questionable decision to allow an afflicted human life of significantly diminshed potential to come into being, when that might have been forestalled before a human being entered into the picture.

    The criticism is that Ms. Palin would impose her own moral precepts upon others, arrogantly presuming that she understands God’s will and knows when a human life begins, while others do not.

  • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

    THANK YOU GIANNI FOR THE LINK

    Change and unity = Saul Alinsky

    Change and unity = Barack Obama

    They are both scary as the devil. Alinsky and his disciple Obama. Their goals are the same. God forbid that we would let Obama get his hands on the White House.

    He has DIS-united the Democratic Party already. What else would he lie to dis-unite?

  • Monet

    “So how does going through testing for the child’s best interest and choosing to have the child with Downs Syndrome make her a hypocrite when she’s made it very clear that she is anti-abortion? I say it doesn’t…what do you say?”

    I say it depends on what her agenda is. I’m read and heard more than one pundit say she walks the talk, that she doesn’t expect anyone else to do what she wouldn’t do herself. That’s wonderful. But changing policy and laws to force people to make the same choices she would make for herself, isn’t wonderful.

    Does she expect every woman and family in this country faced with raising a severely special needs child to walk her talk? Not everyone is equipped emotionally, physically and financially to make the choices that Governor Palin has.

    Our laws gave Governor Palin options when faced with a special needs child, it was her decision to make about the pregnancy, not the state’s. If she wants to take the options she had away from women, then she’s a hypocrite, regardless of what option she chose. At least that is my understanding regarding what the doctor is attempting to say. It’s not the choice she made that makes her a hypocrite, but that that she doesn’t want women to have choice. If that is what he’s saying, I agree with him.

    I’m pro-choice, not because I’ve ever chosen to have an abortion or ever would. A woman’s body and the decisions she makes when it comes to pregnancy are hers’ to make, not the state’s. Whether Governor Palin chose to end her pregnancy or carry Trig to term is her business, not mine, not the state’s. However, if she attempts to take away the options she had from me or any other woman, it becomes my business. I don’t think the doctor is saying Governor Palin was wrong to have her child, but she would be wrong and a hypocrite if she tries to change the laws where the state decides, not the woman.

  • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

    Governor Palin does not profess to expect other women to make the same choices that she makes.

    Before you get into a snit about it do a little research on what it is she believes. Don’t listen to gossip. Find out for yourself.

    I,too, am pro-choice and will not hesitate one minute in voting for her.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/#more.3665 pumawhisper

    42 years ago as a young mother of 27, as I lay on the birthing table when my first child was born, and the doctor very nastily said as he pulled my daughter out, “Oh do you want to keep it or put “IT” in an institution”
    I about kicked that guy thru the glass skylight as those were fighting words then and I have been fighting for the rights of my angel Down syndrome daughter ever since becoming an advocate.

    The joy she has brought me can not even be described, but true as the down slide of her life is coming to an end there is much sorrow as her excellerated alzehimer state of deline is heart wrenching, but she is and will always be my little angel and I was so proud that God picked ME to be her mother.

    There was no tests or choice but it wouldn’t have mattered. Yet I am a Hillary supporter and for a womans right to choose as it is they who have to deal with their maker not me.

    • Artemis

      Your comments are very touching. Your daughter and Gov. Palin’s son offer something to all who have the privilege of knowing them. Thanks for sharing a bit of your story.

  • Iris

    Um, I think you missed the point of the hypocrisy charge. Palin had the choice of whether to have the baby or not, and her status and affluence make the choice to have the child an easier one; but she would take away that choice from other women who are not so fortunate. She would impose her choice on all women. Yes, that is hypocrisy.

  • minnie

    Why are you still living in this earth? Oh yea, EVIL NEVER DIES. yOU MUST BE THE ANCESTERS OF THE devil himself. Is obama your brother?

  • http://texashillblog.wordpress.com Texas Hill Country

    fantastic article! thank you.

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