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If DADT Is Repealed, Give Credit Where It Is Due **UPDATED**

And that ain’t Obama. That would be inaccurate, to say the least. Obama wanted to wait for the completion of a study to be conducted on the impact of changing DADT, with a target date of early December. His Justice Department regurgitated assertions used by Colin Powell 16 years ago that Powell says he no longer believes to support DADT.

So you’ll forgive me when I take this headline with a pound of salt, “Obama Backs ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Compromise That Could Pave Way For Repeal.” Obama has done jackshit but give lip service on repeal. There are others who actually HAVE been working on this issue, especially Rep. Patrick Murphy, along with several US Senators (e.g, Joe Lieberman and Carl Levin). But Patrick Murphy is the one who has really been pushing this, as the following video makes clear:



Note the date on that video – 2008.

The other person pushing for repeal is Senator Lieberman, along with Sen. Carl Levin:

It is not that Obama is insisting that this be brought now. Rather,it seems he is making a political calculation since it has become clear the House is going forward with this, not because it is the right thing to do:

President Obama has endorsed a “don’t ask, don’t tell” compromise between lawmakers and the Defense Department, the White House announced Monday, an agreement that may sidestep a key obstacle to repealing the military’s policy banning gay men and lesbians from serving openly in the armed forces.

The compromise was finalized in meetings Monday at the White House and on Capitol Hill. Lawmakers will now, within days, vote on amendments that would repeal the Clinton-era policy, with a provision ensuring that any change would not take effect until after the Pentagon completes a study about its impact on troops. That study is due to Congress by Dec. 1.

In a letter to lawmakers pushing for a legislative repeal, White House budget director Peter Orszag wrote Monday that the administration “supports the proposed amendment.”

“Such an approach recognizes the critical need to allow our military and their families the full opportunity to inform and shape the implementation process through a thorough understanding of their concerns, insights and suggestions,” he wrote.

While gay rights advocates hailed the move as a “dramatic breakthrough,” it remained uncertain whether the deal would secure enough votes to pass both houses of Congress. Republicans have vowed to maintain “don’t ask, don’t tell,” while conservative Democrats have said they would oppose a repeal unless military leaders made it clear that they approved of such a change.

Even if the compromise language passes, a legislative repeal would take effect only after Obama certified that the change would not harm the nation’s military readiness.

In a statement, Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese said the announcement “paves the path to fulfill the President’s call to end ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ this year and puts us one step closer to removing this stain from the laws of our nation.”

The White House had initially hoped that Congress would wait until after the Pentagon study was completed before bringing up a repeal, but senior lawmakers made it clear that they intended to push ahead on the issue, with or without administration support. Now the controversial issue will return to the national conversation as fall reelection campaigns gear up.

“…but senior lawmakers made it clear that they intended to push ahead on the issue, with or without administration support.” Again, this is not exactly Obama PUSHING for this.

Memo to Joe Salmonese – this is not the President wanting “to fulfill the President’s call.” This is Obama seeing the writing on the wall, IMHO, and trying to cover his backside.

He is not the only one, though:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is running for reelection and had previously supported a repeal of the law, said at a recent congressional hearing that the legislation is “imperfect but effective” and that “we should not be seeking to overturn.”

Rep. Mike Pence (Ind.), a member of the House GOP leadership, said Monday of a repeal: “The American people don’t want the American military to be used to advance a liberal political agenda. And House Republicans will stand on that principle.”

While some Democrats, particularly in the House, wanted to wait for the Pentagon study to be finished, more-liberal Democrats were pushing for an immediate repeal. The compromise is designed to satisfy both concerns.

“We can live with this and we’re asking, enthusiastically, members to support and vote for it,” said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Rep. Patrick J. Murphy (D-Pa.), the lead sponsors of repeal legislation, promised Monday night to pursue their goal quickly.

The White House letter clears the way for votes Thursday in the House on the overall spending bill, which Democrats expect will include Murphy’s amendment. The same day, the Senate Armed Services Committee will vote on its version of the spending bill, and Lieberman will introduce the same repeal language.

“It is our firm belief that it is time to repeal this discriminatory policy that not only dishonors those who are willing to give their lives in service to their country but also prevents capable men and women with vital skills from serving in the armed forces,” Lieberman and Murphy said in a statement.

If the compromise is approved, the 1993 policy could be removed from the nation’s law books within weeks. That would satisfy one of the most significant promises Obama made to the gay community during his campaign.

Once in office, however, Obama moved slowly, often causing frustration among his gay supporters.

That’s what I am talking about, right there. Obama has been dragging his feet on this issue. Again, he’s not the only one:

In February, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, said they supported a repeal of the policy. Mullen said, “I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens.”

But Gates angered some activists by requesting time to assess how best to make the cultural shift within the ranks.

The effort to reverse the ban accelerated with Obama’s one-sentence endorsement of a repeal in his January State of the Union address, sources close to the negotiations said. The next morning, advocates began a multimillion-dollar effort to convince six moderate members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

On Sunday, White House officials invited gay rights leaders to the White House for a Monday-morning meeting with Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina and administration lawyers, according to sources familiar with the meeting.

Here’s the thing – I would be delighted to have this horrible bill repealed. At the time, it was far better than what they had, but it has been flawed from the get-go.

However – Obama has done NOTHING to change this law. He has a history of claiming credit for accomplishments he didn’t earn, and with which he had nothing to do. We saw that time and time again with Candidate Obama, taking Hillary Clinton’s policies whole cloth, claiming work done on committees as a US Senator, as an IL state senator,and as president. It is infuriating that he will get credit for the repeal of this law (should it pass Congress) when he has done NOTHING to effect that change itself to essentially say he won’t stand in the way.

I will rejoice when DADT is repealed, absolutely. But unlike HRC’s Joe Salmonese, among others, I’ll give credit where credit is due: Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, Rep. Patrick Murphy, and Senators Joe Lieberman and Carl Levin.

Obama does not belong in that list, not by a long shot. The long list of homophobic associates and close friends of his speak volumes to me. Don’t even get me started his new appointee, Jonathan I. Katz, a RAGING homophobe who refers to gay people as “sodomites,” among other things. So, uh, yeah – not a ringing endorsement, if you ask me.

Repeal DADT for sure, and give credit where credit is due. That’s what I think. How about you?

UPDATE: Ellen D queried below what would be in DADT, and what would REALLY happen if it was passed. Excellent question. And now I have an answer for her. This is from Adm. Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I have to say, the news is not all that good:

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said yesterday that he’s comfortable with proposed legislation that seeks to repeal the law that bans gay men and lesbians from serving openly in the military because it includes “very clear language” that gives senior leaders the final say in whether it’s implemented.

The proposed amendment, which Congress could put to a vote as soon as this week, wouldn’t immediately go into effect if passed, Navy Adm. Mike Mullen told about 500 servicemembers at a town hall session here.

Implementation wouldn’t take place until after a Defense Department study assessing its impact is completed, the chairman explained, and military and defense leaders get to weigh in on the findings.

The review, expected to be completed by December, is progressing well, the chairman said, “but by no means is it over.”

Oh, boy. That doesn’t sound all that promising. Neither does this:

Mullen said he’s particularly interested in determining how the law’s repeal would affect “readiness, unit cohesion and our ability to do our mission.” That, he said, requires input from the people directly affected.

“That was what was behind making sure we surveyed our people and our families — to understand … the potential impact,” he told the group. “And I, as a senior military leader in the country, feel obligated to make sure I understand that, so should it change, I can lead that and understand what the impacts are.”

After reviewing results of the study, Mullen, the service chiefs and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates would provide their recommendations to President Barack Obama. “So having that information will inform me and our leaders about what our recommendations will be,” he said.

Mullen called the “certification trigger” provided in the proposed amendment critical.

“The language in there right now preserves my prerogative – and I believe, my responsibility – to give the best military advice,” he said.

“That trigger is to certify whether we should move ahead with that change, even if the law were to repeal it,” he told a reporter following the session.

Mullen brought up the issue at the end of his town hall session after no one had asked about it. He occasionally gets questions about it when he meets with servicemembers, the chairman told reporters traveling with him, but just as often doesn’t. “I haven’t found it to be a particularly burning issue,” he said.

Am I understanding this correctly? Even if DADT is repealed, it might not change anything? At the very least, even if it was repealed tomorrow, it sounds like nothing will change at least until Dec. 1 when the study is due to be completed. The more things change…

  • Craig Della Penna

    Bo(zo)’s very much like his idol St. Ronald in this regard, they both did as little as possible to help fellow citizens they didn’t approve of. I lost dear friends because of Reagan’s homophobia, Obama’s cut from the same cloth.

    I strongly recommend Randy Shilts’ “And the Band Played On” for a history of that time – if you can’t get through the book, HBO made a fine movie of it.

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree, Amy.  I mentioned this sudden push yesterday.  The President will go along to get along because frankly the Dems don’t have much to hang their hats on with November elections coming up.  Obama will get credit whether he deserves it or not.  That’s the way it plays.  But at least this is a start at healing a wound that should have been addressed long ago.

    Gotta take the good news where you can find it.  Because there’s sure not much of it at the moment. 

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Well, you have a point there, PS – sadly, not much good news these days. 

    And yes, however this law gets repealed is a giid thing indeed.

    Craig, excellent recommendation,  Thank you!

  • Kim

    Rev. Amy, I was watching a documentary about George Washington and the Revolutionary War. Washington enlisted the help of a Prussian officer, General Friedrich Von Steuben to train the troops for the battles ahead. Von Steuben’s expertise made all the difference. From my standpoint, we couldn’t have won the war without him. Von Steuben was gay, and Washington knew this before enlisting his help. Washington wasn’t concerned or bothered by that fact. He knew Von Steuben was an excellent officer and that is all he was concerned with. If our very first President had no problem with gays in the military, then it is disgusting that our current President, or anyone else for that matter, does.

  • candymarl

    Thanks Kim. I did not know this. I never cared about who was gay and who wasn’t either. All I asked was if war breaks out do you have my back? That’s the way it should be.

  • John/johnwsmart.com

    Whatever the the political game playing involved I hope this gets done soon. It must be noted that on Obama’s part this is all gamesmanship. He needs issues to drive DEM turnout in Nov. and make the GOP seem bigoted. This fits perfectly. 

  • Dbb

    Gosh Amy, I don’t usually hear “Right Reverends” using gutter language like “jackshit.”  Are really a woman of the cloth?  And speaking of the steaming brown stuff, you’re full of it.  We wouldn’t even be talking about ending DADT if your beloved McFailin/Palin ticket had won.  Here is
    McCain today according to Roll Call:

    “I’ll do everything in my power,” the Arizona Republican said, citing letters from the four service chiefs urging Congress not to act before a Pentagon review of the policy is complete. “I’m going to do everything I can to support the men and women of the military and to fight what is clearly a political agenda.”

    And don’t forget that DADT was the wretched compromise struck by the last Democrat Administration (now who was that).  You better believe Obama is going to get credit and deservedly if it is repealed.

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  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I didn’t know this. either, Kim.  Thanks for the information.  Very enlightening!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Clearly, you don’t hang out with many ministers judging from your response (and assumptions).

    And personal attacks on the writers are not allowed.  This is your one warning.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Flagged for irrelevance.

  • Ferd Berfle

    DBB’s inanity flagged for irrelevance.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Ferd.  You said it. 

  • AC

     I flagged DDB’s comment it for idiocy

  • graywolf

    Well, they just put women on submarines; we’ve gotten female “fighter pilots”…why not go all the way and have the E-6 show up in a dress?
    After all, the military exists so left wing loonies can play social engineer.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I am a freshman….

    We need more of them. Ones who can cut through the “lip service”.

    I need to be brief. I am too upset and frustrated watching a CLUELESS POTUS in SF unable plug his own damn hole. DADT is a metaphor for the sad sack called BO.

    I completely agree even if one’s worst nightmare bore an angel of mercy, credit due is “respect” at it’s heart.

  • EllenD

    Well, I don’t want to celebrate prematurely.
    There are a few questions I need answered.
    Will this bill make it unequivically illegal for the Military to discriminate?
    Can the Military still write regulations to keep gays out whenever and whereever they choose?
    So far I haven’t heard a definitive answer. Please point me to it if there is one.
    I’m just afraid that we will get a tepid Obama solution that relies on the Military to do the right thing. It works so well with BP and Wall Street.
    I’ll wait and see what actually happens.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “I believe it is important, a matter of keeping faith with those currently serving in the Armed Forces, that the Secretary of Defense commissioned review be completed before there is any legislation to repeal the DA/DT law,” wrote Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, Chief of Staff of the Air Force.
    That position was echoed in separate letters from Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey, Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Gary Roughead, and Commandant of the Marine Corps. Gen. James T. Conway.
    “I also believe that repealing the law before the completion of the review will be seen by the men and women of the Army as a reversal of our commitment to hear their views before moving forward,” Casey wrote.

    Another hollow jesture by BO.

  • Dbb

    No, not being religiously observant I don’t “hang out” with ministers  but I’ve met and encountered quite a few in my life of all major denominations.  And I’m sure that being human in their private moments they do blurt expletives like “jackshit” out of frustration or to emphasize a point, but never would they use such language in their public utterences or writings.  Not even the political firebrands, the Falwells, the Berrigans, or your favorite, Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright.  Tell me Amy, would you feel comfortable with your parishioners’ children reading this post?

    And you’re wrong about McCain being on board with DADT repeal, and Katz still being on that adhoc committee once his views became known.  And with very little effort I could find baseless gay-baiting posts on NQ attacking Obama.  

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You did not read what I said carefully, Dbb.  I did not say McCain SUPPORTED repeal.  But thanks for playing.

    And yes – ministers ARE human, and we talk pretty much like everyone else.  While you may have met many in many different denominations, I went to seminary with them.  So, I’m gonna guess I have a little more direct experience with ministers on the whole than you do. 

    Besides, I don’t see anything wrong with cussing (except around kids, that is).  For heaven’s sake, have you ever seen any of Larry’s posts??

    Bottom line, you are using it in an attempt to attack me without (clearly) reading the post.  I would suggest you get off your high horse.  :)

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    EllenD – those are some EXCELLENT questions.  That’s just it – this is really a smokescreen for the Dems to try and pull back voters for the Nov. elections.  There is no telling, if this is repealed, how long the military will take to implement it, either.

    Lots of unanswered questions.  It’s all abt the votes, just like the AZ thing is.

  • AC

    Dbb, what a turd you are.  I find the use of the word “jackshit” doesn’t compare with Reverend Wright “dry humping” his podium in front of his congregation.

  • Sassy

    AC, you are right.
    If Reverend Amy had refined her message, she might have been as rich and notorious as Wright and Sharpton.
    Nah, she has character…that’s more valuable!

  • Jackie

    Whatever, Amy.  If Obama is to be blamed for every problem and failure under the sun, he gets credit for the successes like DADT repeal.  Especially when he puts pen to paper and makes it law.  That’s how this works.  I just hope it happens soon.

    It is bizarre but unsurprising that the first thing you have to say when it appears this is finally going to happen, is “don’t give Obama any credit!”

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Why, thank ya, Sassy!!  :)

    And yeah, I think dry humping the pulpit in church in front of God(dess) and everyone beats using “jackshit” any day of the week. 

    Here’s the thing – Dbb even admitted to not being “religiously  observant” anyway, so why the hell (!) should s/he CARE what kind of language a minister uses?  Damnation!!  (Which, coincedentally, I thought was my last name as a child…)

  • carol haka

    He is doing it as a last resort.  He can’t handle all the bullshit he is standing in. I still say he is a homophobe.  But, if that’s what it takes to pass the law, so be it.

    >:o

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    EllenD, looks like you were right to be concerned.  Check out what Adm. Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs said HERE.

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  • AC

    Ditto that Sassy

  • AC

    Jackie, I agree with you here but that’s an “if” and “when”.  Wouldn’t it be better to wait until “if and “when” become a “did” and then gloat.

  • Jackie

    I agree that this is still an “if”–there’s no gloating here.  That’s why I said I “hope it happens soon” and only that “it appears” it will happen.  I know there are still plenty of ways to screw it up.

    Which makes Amy’s desperate attempt to deny Obama any credit on this all the more puzzling.  It hasn’t even happened yet, though we’re on the cusp, and her first instinct is score-settling over who gets credit.

  • AC

    Amy’s supposed attempt is no more desperate/different than when you write “hope”.  That’s my reading, anyway it’s in the American tradition to hold politicians accountable for there actions and non responses when action is called for.

  • Jackie

    “That’s my reading, anyway it’s in the American tradition to hold politicians accountable for there actions and non responses when action is called for.”

    Right, and it is also in our tradition to give the credit of legislative victory to the president who signs the bill.  We don’t go around assigning credit to the myriad of legislators involved in the Social Security Act–history gives credit to FDR.  It doesn’t mean those people weren’t involved, but at the end of the day, we understand that the central figure in the passage of any major legislation is the person who decides whether or not to sign it into law.  The only time this changes is when a Congress is able to override a veto–obviously a rare occurrence.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    “Desperate”?  The only time I would use “desperate” and “Obama” together is in this sentence: I am “desperate” to get “Obama” out of the White House before he does irrevocable damage to our country.

    He has done absolutely NOTHING on this issue but give lip service, like so many other issues.  He surrounds himself with homophobes, appointing them to positions of power.  THAT is not someone who cares abt GLBT people, no matter HOW “desperate” his minions are to spin it that way.

    Just sayin’.

  • Jackie

    “He has done absolutely NOTHING on this issue but give lip service, like so many other issues. ”

    Right, Amy.  He’s only going to sign the legislation into law.  Unlike every other president before him, he is going to allow gay men and women to server openly in the military without reprisal.  But go on believing what you need to believe.

  • AC

    Bullshit Jackie, Presidents have been overruled plenty.  In case you don’t know veto’s aren’t the word of God.  You can’t get your head out of Obama’s ass long enough to think straight.  And furthermore I’ll give credit to whom I please. This is my bad for even attempting to be civil and modulate with you–it wont happen again–you’re just looking to argue–that’s your thing.

  • Jackie

    Also, Amy to add:

    You know who REALLY doesn’t deserve any credit for the repeal of DADT?  Anyone who voted for DADT supporter JOHN MCCAIN.  You might even say a person who voted for DADT supporter John McCain has ZERO CREDIBILITY on this issue.

    http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle/2010/05/27/john-mccain-filibuster-to-stop-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-repeal-.html

  • Jackie

    Bullshit Jackie, Presidents have been overruled plenty.  In case you don’t know veto’s aren’t the word of God.  You can’t get your head out of Obama’s ass long enough to think straight.  And furthermore I’ll give credit to whom I please. This is my bad for even attempting to be civil and modulate with you–it wont happen again–you’re just looking to argue–that’s your thing.”

    No, it’s your bad for having such a short temper.  Someone disagrees with you for longer than five minutes, your head explodes.