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Where is Clinton? (Part 2)

I wrote a serious post yesterday asking where Clinton was (See Where is Clinton). This was not to criticize her but to challenge that she is now faced with her 3 a.m. call and how she responds will mark her legacy and also determine her future role in the party and as an elected leader. As SJ writes, “a lot of us will be waiting and watching.” Even though the original post is now stale in our 24×7 Internet age, the matter is far from resolved and Clinton’s moment to respond remains very open, needed, and timely.

Political Correctness (PC) neutered everyone such that Obama and his followers could run amok. People in the Democratic Party were conditioned to avoid saying or doing anything that might offend someone. Hopefully that is a lesson learned. The Republicans learned it well watching Clinton get savaged in the primaries. When Obama tried to then play the race card on them they shoved it back in his face and now no one talks about race anymore.

Republicans are shaming Democrats on sexism and Obama’s misogynism. The party, at least Obama, his cult following, nutroots gangs, and adoring media are being painted for what they are racists, sexist, and hate-filled people. Unfortunately, this poison will last beyond Obama’s defeat in the November.

Clinton has faced and fought against the party’s establishment and the hate-filled people supporting Obama. She lost the nomination, in large part to their hate. She too often played nice, played polite, and played party loyalist rather than calling hate, whether racist or sexist, for what it is—wrong and unacceptable. As her supporters we’ve been far more willing to challenge this hate and say no. We own our votes. We’ve now walked from the party’s nominee and with a wide range of emotions will vote for the Republican ticket of McCain and Palin this fall, ignoring Obama and Biden, wishing and working for their defeat.

Back to my earlier post. This is Clinton’s 3 a.m. moment vis-à-vis the Democratic Party: go along to get along or say ‘No, this is wrong and I want no part of it.’ In my post I suggested that Clinton cannot retain her legacy and have a future in the party by becoming a partner in Obama’s campaign. She’s in a lose-lose position wherein she’ll be blamed for Obama’s loss whether she helps him or not. Should he win, he’ll ignore her and toss her aside. As Dean, Brazile, and others have stated, they don’t need whites, women, latinos, blue collar workers, small town residents, people of religion, and others in their new party—if they win, this is confirmed and Clinton might as well either retire or start a new party.

The responses to my original post now number 700 and range from agreement to shock and anger that the topic was even being raised. Take a moment to read through them. Note, importantly, as you do that it was and is a civil discussion, shared emotion, experience, concern, and hope. The few nutroots gang or off-thread comments were politely addressed. The community at NoQuarterUSA is not Daily Kos, TPM, or other places where any inconvenient question is met with hateful and foul-mouthed response, nor where differences of opinion are not welcomed.

The responses can be organized into several views and proposed courses for Clinton to follow:

  • Should she be a nice girl and keep her mouth shut and campaign for Obama and/or down ticket candidates? (That might work for expediency but there is there future upside to this course, whether Obama wins or loses. Importantly, if she says nothing of the hate, does this mean it is okay to use hate against another party but not within the party?)
  • Should she punt and say that this is not her fight? The party rejected her and she’ll just sit out the campaign, thank you. (Just take a break for a few months. Return after the vote in November to help rebuild the defeated party.)
  • Should she fill the moral and leadership vacuum and say no, this campaign of hate has gone on far too long, enough-is-enough, I want no part of it? (My preferred choice as leadership requires grownup action, whatever the cost. Right and wrong are important judgments that are not a matters of expediency and convenience.)
  • Don’t talk about it as all we do is feed the critics.

This is Clinton’s 3 a.m. moment. It is not a question of McCain or Palin (and it pained me to see some of the nutroots trash about Palin repeated in the thread). It is simply a question of what is best for the Democratic Party and Clinton.

What are your thoughts on this?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Yawn.

    Its Barack and the MSM’s 3:00 am moment. Not Clintons.

    Is this tripe really neccessary?

    Why is a Hillary site trying to trash Hillary?

  • HARP

    THINGS ARE LOOKING UP:

    Gallup Poll – Election News
    Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%
    September 7, 2008
    John McCain has moved ahead of Barack Obama in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking, 48% to 45%, following last week’s Republican convention. This is McCain’s best showing since May.

    http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

  • Hillary Dem 4 Sarah

    Agreed.

    Leave Hillary in peace.

  • Shiloh

    I think she has been confronted with a dilemna for some time and has been handling it well for some time. Hillary helps no-one by committing political suicide. She will keep doing what she has been – damning Obama with faint praise and minimal effort that her followers understand is a nod to oppose him, but that will allow her to plausibly deny later attacks that she could have done more. Her recent statement not to have high expectations is right in that vein.

  • Denise

    This is a great cartoon of Obama calling Hillary at 3am in the morning with a crisis.

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/actual-post-from-a-soetorobama-supporter-on-why-he-is-going-to-lose/

  • McKatmoon

    I am no longer involved in the Democratic party, and will happily support Senator Clinton should she run again, and I am able to vote for that run. I will always support her. Having said that, I really don’t have anything to say beyond what I said in the original thread. My focus is now on seeing how I can support Senator McCain/Gov Palin. That support takes nothing away from Senator Clinton at this time.

  • http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/ Michael

    …I agree Amerikkka. Hillary has done what is expected. She will continue to be a good foot soldier so to speak, and that is good enuf. Let B Hussein Obama implode all on his own this fall. Hopefully Hill will be there to remove the Deaniacs and make a healthy replacement in 2012!

    THE RETURN OF CLINTONISM! woo – hoo!

  • Mike J.

    I think she should sit this one out. She and Bill did more for the nominee than any other runner-up in history of the party. Obama has made his choice of attack dog, and picked Biden. I mean, what’s next? If he’s elected, will he be calling on Hillary to govern on his behalf as well?

    If he believes to be unqualified for the job, this would be a good time to declare it and move over. Otherwise, it’s his nomination, his campaign, and his party.

  • Tony Stark

    McCain up by 10 in new USAToday/Gallup poll

    http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

  • God Damn Michelle Obama

    Hillary made a decision she believes is best for her, and I am in no place to question it.

    I, on the other hand, reserve the Wright to criticize the Obamas.

  • LoganHRC

    She should sit this one out (Just take a break for a few months. Return after the vote in November to help rebuild the defeated party.)

  • NOBAMA

    Dear Hillary supporters,

    I HOPE it brings you comfort to know that I have extended a generous offer to Palin join Hillary in WASHING my dishes!

    Sincerely,

    Barrack Obama

  • blog force one

    This election will be cathartic for both parties, after mcain palin wins in novwmber . expect a major house cleanin in the Grand old party .Many of the good ‘ol boys will be read the riot act 1 mcain knows who they are and He is going to reform and revitalize the govt with non-partisan appointments. the democratic party will also be subjected to a major house cleaning! the dean Pelosi,Brazile reed crowd the “gang of four ” will be deposed, and good riddance!the clintons will lead the charge and all of the nut roos will be evicted!

  • Dr. Kate

    totally agreed. this second post on the subject is not helpful.

    yawn.

    where is Barack Obama Soetoro? What’s the status of the lawsuit? When will he be vetted?

  • Arabella Trefoil

    I trust Hillary’s jusgement. I say leave her alone.

    I appreciate the civil discourse here.

  • Chicago Joe

    BHO and Bill Clinton are having a breakfast meeting in Harlem on 9/11. They better not be discussing Hillary’s role in the campaign. Let BHO fall down the rabbit hole with Joe Biden by himself.

    Keep your distance, Bill. He treated your wife like so much lint on his shoulder.

  • pal3
  • God Damn Michelle Obama

    Because we know Michelle Obama cannot wash dishes. She has a housekeeper.

  • Steven Mather

    MW,

    Is this a 3 AM moment? I do not sense that she is faced with a critical choice at this time, though it is possible that one could emerge. Until such time, it’s best to muddle through while things works themselves out.

    My sense is that this is a moment for Hillary to do exactly what she is doing to support down-ticket Dems. The further she can remove herself from Obama’s descent (barring a gift from fate), the better.

    SM

  • God Damn Michelle Obama

    This is not a 3 am moment. This is a political moment, and Hillary has made her decision. I respect it, but I disagree with it.

    She made the case against him during the primary, and it is our job to ensure no one forgets.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Great cartoon!

  • Ferd McBerfle

    The further she can remove herself from Obama’s descent (barring a gift from fate), the better.

    You’re right on the money, though crash and burn would seem to be more appropriate to Oblahblah’s impending downfall.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Maybe he’ll be passing along the message that Barack is on his own. (Hopeful thought.)

  • jack

    Just seen on Drudge:

    MSNBC has demoted Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews. They are no longer anchoring debate or election night coverage.

    McCain and Palin just made MSDNC and BarackTV their b—-s

    I think they should give a victory speech for triumphing over the media.

    Hillary in 2012

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    What is being totally overlooked in Matthew’s critique of Hillary not is that NO ONE has ever made the same argument against any of the male candidates who lost in the past.

    Hillary endorsed obama 4 days after she suspended her campaign. All of the male candidates before her, who lost, did not endorse the presumptive nominee until the Convention or after.

    Let’s face it, no matter how much this woman does, it’s never enough. And no matter how little these men have done in the past, no one has ever questioned them or condemned them and their political careers.

    Matthew, were you asleep during the Primary? Hillary has been savagely attacked throughout the entire primary by the media, while her so-colleagues stabbed her in the back, and the DNC stood silently by, because they had already “anointed” obama and who cares who the people want.

    There is no way for Hillary to take on these power elites on her own.

  • cdo

    ok, im still reeling from the drudge report thing about msnbc…
    could it really be…

  • standard

    On the MTV movie awards tonight, the opening comic asked everyone to vote for Obama, and gave a sanctimonious lecture on how those who vote for others are racist.

    The media is running all over anyone who they perceive to be in the way of Osecondcomingofchrist.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    By USA’s own polling, that is a 17 point shif since their 8/30-31 poll. Very good news.

    It also means more pressure on Clinton to help save his campaign.

  • Ramjal

    If Osbama Bin Lyin’ loses in November, as he certainly will, Obamabots cannot blame Clinton but their own selves for putting up this totally unqualified misfit for a task he is unprepared and lacking in experience to do. Let them go to hell! Cinton 2012!

  • KsGirl

    Hillary has been a champion for women and children for a long time. I sent her an email and asked her to stand up and respond to the hate being spewed at Gov. Palin and her children.

    It IS absolutely the right thing to do, Democrat party aside, and her silence has upset me. I absolutely supported Hillary and sent plenty of money her way, even sent money to help retire her debt.

    Matthew, I’m a moderate Republican, and I know I’m a minority on this sight, but I absolutely agree with YOU….

    I hope I’m not going to be banned from this site now.. As I’m absolutely anti-Obama…

  • bert

    I thought we dealt with this issue in great detail first time you posted. My sense was that most NQ readers believed that Hillary was doing what was best.

    I agree with some previous posters on this thread. YAWN.

    Only thing I would add are links to two great articles on the subject.

    http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/09/hillary-clinton-wont-be-attack-dog.html

    http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/09/oedipus-wrecksobama-supporters-media.html

    Enough said.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    &empty,bama is toast.

    They get it at Talk Left

    http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/09/interview-there-will-be.html

  • Ferd McBerfle

    He didn’t treat Bill very well, either.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    ∅bama

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    Of course, the DNC and obama intend to pressure Hillary to save his ass. That way, they can blame HER, not HIM, when he loses.

    She doesn’t owe obama a damn thing. He promised to help pay her debt, but has done little to nothing. Why not put pressure on him to pay her debt, if he want’s her to save his ass?

    Pressure can go both ways, and it shouldn’t always be the woman who is bombarded with it.

  • Babs

    You know, the one Senator who has been known for opposing his party on issues that he thought were wrong is now that party’s Presidential nominee.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    Hillary has said she will do no personal attacks.

    Good on her.

    ∅bama

  • Fueled by Randomness

    If I were her, I’d let Obama and his nutroots crash and burn. Let him and his destructive politics be totally discredited. Drive a stake into the heart of the beast, as it were. You are exactly correct, if the Worthless One wins with Hillary’s help, she will be cast aside when he has what he wants and no longer needs her. That is his history, that is his pattern. It’s lose-lose for her if he wins; she’s dammed if she helps him, dammed if she doesn’t. The best policy for her is to let him crash the damn ship and then get in there with the shovel and pick up the pieces. She is a centrist, he is a loony-tune, and never the twain shall meet.

  • pal3

    Who’s wants to bet that Hillary will become President, 2008?

  • jrterrier

    i agree that it is barack’s 3:00 AM moment but then why is his campaign saying that hillary will be dispatched to florida and other swing states to prop obama up and counter palin.

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    KsGirl,

    Wasn’t it Governor Palin who said Hillary was whining when she was being attacked? I believe Governor Palin can take care of herself, not to mention that she has the benefit of her party defending her. Hillary did not have any such support from the DNC.

    I don’t recall Governor Palin stepping in and defending Hillary. If Hillary defends Palin, that will be exactly what the obama camp will use to put all the blame on her when obama loses. Don’t you see that?

    I respect and admire Palin, but I honestly think you are asking more of Hillary than you would ask of Governor Palin, were the shoe on the other foot.

  • Chicago Joe

    Absolutely. Hillary should stay as far away as possible from this trainwreck.

  • candymarl

    It’s not Hillary’s job to help Obama win. If he wanted her to do that he should have made her the VP. Get Joe Biden, his VP choice out there.

    The Democrats are calling on three Democratic women to help Obama. Why? Can’t Obama fix this himself? He has all of the answers. He’s going to solve all of our problems. Some even say Obama was sent by God.

    If I were Hillary I’d stay home. No other candidate, whether you think they came in first or second, that wasn’t given the VP slot has been asked to rescue a campaign.

    Hillary should listen to Bill. Or she should listen to Ghandi and just sit down.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    This thread Needs a Jeremiah Dog Damn Barrack America Wrightopolis Humor:


    Breaking!
    Breaking!
    Breaking!

    New York Times Expose On Palin Baby as reported on Drudge Report Leaked!!!

    http://www.drudgereport.com

    NYT HEADLINE: TRIG IS MISSING DINGO BABY!!
    Unconfirmed sources told NYT investigative Journalist Scotty McCellarDweller that the DNC has confirmed though DNA Analysis of Baby Trig’s hair that he is in fact the Baby that went missing in the sensational 90s story from Australia.

    Many remember the international interest generated when the original story broke that a Dingo Ate someone’s Baby. Now, the obama campaign claims they have incontrovertible proof that solves that mystery once and for all.

    Undercover Obama surrogates confirm that they were able to sneak into the Republican convention and pluck a stand of hair from sleeping trig during Governor Palin’s Historic Speech for testing purposes.

    YOUNGEST PALIN GIRL – A DNC OPERATIVE
    Veiwers may recall seeing the youngest Palin daughter licking her hand and whiping the head of the sleeping baby.

    Sources now tell us that was in fact the operative and that hand lick is a highly advanced technique for gathering hair samples.

    The Hair sample was delivered to the KOS medical research facility famous for their motto “You Tell us the story, we will get you the facts even if we have to make them up.”

    WE HAVE THE RESULTS! – TESTING SCHEDULED FOR LATER
    Lead Researcher Andrew Milkyglutes Sullivan was the first to confirm that the hair sample was from the missing Dingo baby as soon as the sample arrived. He has scheduled testing to confirm his findings for sometime in the near future.

    SHOCKING VEDEO TO BE RELEASED
    Unconfirmed reports from inside the Obama campaign’s investigative branch, the KOS research group, are confirming that they have video of Governor Palin in a bikini and armed only with a plastic Spork taking on the pack of thirty something Dingos and rescuing the baby she now calls Trig.

    OCTOBER SURPRISE – SPECIAL EDITION BY CHRISTMAS 08
    The video is being held as an october surprise and is currently in the hands of George Lucas who is adding a few special effects to make it more exciting for prime time viewing. An extended special edition with special appearances by Jaba the Hut and Yoda is planned for the holiday season.

    EVEN A CAT WONT VOTE FOR HER
    “Animal Rights Activists are going to be up in arms when they see this video!” said our anonymous source. “Once they see how she brutalized those dingos, she wont be able to get even a single vote in a cat house.”

    “They don’t know who they are messing with” said one Obama campaign aid. “She may know how to field dress a moose but we are community organizers…we can make the dead vote!”

    PRIVATE BARACK FIRST CLASS
    In Other news, John McCain’s Record of military service seems to have connected with voters across the country and his polls are showing it.

    As a result, Barack Obama always the first to hop on the Me Too Train, admitted today that he had in fact considered enlisting in the armed services once he discovered that the Vietnam was was over and his ass was in no way likely to be in danger of being sent over seas.

    He also mentioned registering with selective services but when asked for proof of documentation responded “I’ll get back to you sweetie!”


    Breaking!
    Breaking!
    Breaking!

    Also Breaking at drudgereport.com

    HOLY SHAYT!!!

    Even more shocking News of the Bizzare!!!


    MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair… David Gregory will anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night…. Developing…

    OMFG

    I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS FOR A MINUTE…COULD IT BE?

    Looks like MSNBC might be discovering a bit of Integrity still resides under the rim of that toilet of despair they call a news channel.

    UPDATE:

    Sources Confirm Olberrman so upset he has been placed on suicide watch and Mathews felt a tinkle run down his leg.

  • Joy

    MSNBC has demoted Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews. They are no longer anchoring debate or election night coverage.
    ___________________________________________________

    And this matters how? No one watched Olbermann for an honest call and few watched Matthews.

  • cdo

    If the story about MSNBC dropping Olbermann and Matthews from their debate and election coverage is correct…
    well it means the times, they are a changin’!

    Someone has finally figured out that putting all their eggs in the Obama basket is no longer a sensible thing to do…because he is no longer a sure thing.

    If its true, it is very very bad news for Obama. The whispers are getting louder.

  • http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/ Michael

    Pal3! Im sorry, i wont bet anything. LOL. How much would you bet on a Clinton presidence in 2008 ???

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    BTW Palin governs according to the will of the people despite her own personal preferences.

    This on sex ed:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story

  • Hijacker

    Now is the time for Hillary to stake her position on these issues of concern to women, to inform those of us, both men and women who had supported the Clintons in their tour of duty in the White House. So what is the BIG DOG DEAL? “Mr.Bill” stood in the middle and did court the other side for support and advice and the results were a gift to the nation, a BALANCED BUDGET, something that has not occurred since GOD knows when. “HURRAY, HURRAH for BILL”, and I for one, as an Independent Voter, have not the faintest idea just what direction the Democratic Party is going at this time, when we are in the midst of a very fragile world, one with so many many problems, yet alone all of those here at home to consider. Mr. O is simply way, way, way, tooooooooo far on the fringe to attract me at this juncture. For GOD’s sake, just what happened to the NEW DEMOCRACTIC PARTY??? The party which I personally voted for twice, a vote which resulted in personal ridicule towards me by fellow workers in a UNION environment, simply just for VOTING for the CLINTONS? I am now lost for words…..OH! Did someone say the other side is proposing a BIPARTISON ADMINISTRATION? SO, Mr. O, tell us please, to those of us in the middle, what are your plans? Or do you have any? At least, something material we CAN BELIEVE IN!

  • http://lnab.newsvine.com/ Linda

    USA Today/Gallup 9/5-7 MCCAIN 54 OBAMA 44 10 MCCAIN!

    FINALLY…Americans are waking up to that pandering ass Obama! http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

  • http://www.lostinspacetv.com/ The Robot

    “She’s in a lose-lose position wherein she’ll be blamed for Obama’s loss whether she helps him or not.

    Blamed by whom, the leftist nuts? Uh yeah, that’s what they do, so what?

    Beyond that, it looks to me that Clinton is handling things perfectly – as IMO the consummate centrist Progressive.

  • cdo

    it matters in what it signifies…the money is moving to a safer investment.

  • Chicago Joe

    i have searched for this but can’t find it. Link?
    Olbermann is ruining my Bears game for me tonight.

  • candymarl

    Okay enough is enough. First it wasn’t her baby but her daughter’s.

    Then the baby was the result of incest. Now the baby is not her husband’s.

    They’re trying to paint this woman as a wh*re. I wonder why the great lord Obama can’t stop this? After all, he’ll save the world.

    Why is the NYT acting more like a tabloid than the Enquirer? What the heck is going on?

  • Lark

    I think 18 million voters need to consider their options. Not because they are sore losers, but because they lost through unfair and undemocratic practices. And when Barack moved the party headquarters to Chicago after he won, then I think these issues need to be discussed.

    I agree that this is Hillary’s 3:00 a.m. moment, but in the tradition of Paul Revere. Hillary can act in the best interest of those who made a covenant with her or in her best interest, or in the best interest of the people of New York, who she represents.

    My opinion is that the 3:00 a.m. call should come from PUMA. PUMAs are the ones on the other side of the line. If PUMA does not call, then the 3:00 a.m. moment really does not exist. Hillary per-se is not in a position to launch an initiative of her own.

    Absent the call from PUMA, to create a “New Horizons Party,” Hillary’s best course of action would be to take a stand and denounce Barack’s unbecoming campaign tactics, together with being the first major political figure to denounce in no uncertain terms the corrupted role the press or so called media has taken in advancing one candidate over the other. Something that needs to stop. That means that she should take a position similar to Liberman’s – a mixture of Democratic and Independent statesman. That means that like Liberman she would defend proactively the McCain/Palin ticket against these vicious attacks from the press. That would be her most productive position. Why?

    Because from that position she can return to the Senate after the race is over and carefully weight her options, taking her time to assess the most effective route for herself and her voters. Either the party reverts to her for correction or she leaves the party for good – and goes with PUMA to begin a “New Horizons Party.” That position has her loosing nothing and gaining everything.

    But if she joins Barack in fighting McCain then she will loose worse than Barack when Barack looses. And Barack will go to the Senate together with Biden to humiliate her. That would be terrible and quite unproductive actually.

  • http://lnab.newsvine.com/ Linda

    tell you what…I’m going to start showing back up at my state HQ to help them do that!

  • kcfromtx

    I’m almost tempted to turn on hard-on tomorrow just to see how Tweety acts on air. Wanna bet odorman has a guest host?

  • Diana L. C.

    I absolutely support what Hillary is doing now. She is taking a vacation. She is saying that he should not expect too much as she is helping Senate candidates–to me a nice way of saying, she can’t demand our votes as he thought he could.

    There is no reason to do anything except when asked directly–just as McCain did when he was asked about the “white witch” comment. He sincerely answered that he knew Senator Clinton and that the comment was not appropriate.

    She can make a sincere statement about sexism IF she is asked directly; but in the meantime, she deserves rest.

  • L

    i was a very active Hillary supporter but have to admit
    I have lost some respect for her over the past few
    months. Sorry if this offends anyone. i don’t know
    where the “statesmen” have gone in our current politics. I would have so much respect for Hillary
    if she came out and said that all the sexism should
    not be tolerated no matter who it is aimed at. I
    don’t agree that she should just keep quiet, we have
    too many politicians that do that. There is a principle
    involved here that many seem to miss.

  • HARP

    Sorry Kieth

    Good night and good luck (not)

  • http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/ Michael

    Come November, it is simply going to be the case where Hillary Rodham gets to say:

    “I told ya so”

    Bye Bye Brazilla

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm

  • Islander

    The Clintons are he REAL Democratic Party. Wherever Hillary goes she defines what real Democrats stand for. She is a constant reminder of the fact that Democrats could have won this election, taken the White House and achieved a strong majority in Congress.
    Wherever she speaks, we are reminded of how much stronger, wiser and smarter she is than the Zero the rotting core of the DNC rigged into the nomination.
    She is out there like a banner, inspiring in her integrity,intelligence,clarity, grasp of issues and respect for her people, her country. She exposes by comparison the rest of the cheap spineless conniving politicians. So long as she is out there defining what the party ought to be, she is really campaigning for the next election, and we who recognize true greatness when we see it, will continue to cheer her on. Meanwhile we must bring down this corrupted UN-Democratic Party so as to rebuild the party of FDR and the Clintons. McCain now, Hillary in 2012. Furthermore, no matter what she does from now on, Hillary Clinton will be loved by her kind of people. No matter how historians try to write of her, no matter what lies are told about her or slurs made against her, she is our hero. Pictures of her hang in our homes and our children and their children will honor her. She is legendary. Nothing can change that now. Nothing and no-one. We loathe anyone who speaks ill of her and honor her all the more. There is nothing she can do wrong at this point and any adverse criticism only demeans her critics.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/#more.3665 pumawhisper

    I think the Clintons should be sueing the party for the fraudulent nomination process and illegal roll call. Clintons still have power but if afraid to take on the bunch then who will??????

    I was shocked with the recent endorsement by Geraldine Ferraro putting her party over country, using the excuse Biden could fill the gaps of Obama.

    Doesn’t Matter Geraldine, the party is CORRUPT, AND YOU SHOULDN’T BE VALIDATING IT BY SUPPORTING THE CROOKEE.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Right on! Oblahblah is going to lose and she knows it. She is also aware that they will try to blame her. In addition, she has Bill for a sounding board and is doing EXACTLY what she should be doing.

  • cdo

    its a developing story at the top of the page…no idea if its true or just some drudge BS.
    http://www.drudgereport.com/

    gawd i hope its legit. that would make my world a bit brighter.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    ∅bama says raising taxes on the rich may not be such a good idea:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1150162,tax090708.article

    What will be his next position?

    “I’m just like McCain only black. Vote for me.”

  • KsGirl

    Kathleen,

    I think I understand what you’re saying.

    I just looked up to Hillary and was in such awe of her. Basically, I considered her in a league of her own and so presidential. Just wanted her to stand up to Obama and company and say no more.

    Thanks for not beating me up… Have a nice evening…

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    Saul Alinksy’s son proud of Obama.

    ALL THE elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situations and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people. The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style.

    Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

    I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.

    L. DAVID ALINSKY

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Look, Hillary has gone the extra distance to show her party loyalty. I’m just saying enough is enough. She needs to not campaign for Obama or do anything further to support his campaign. She needs to make clear the persistent hate within the party and now being focused on the Republicans hurts the party and she wants nothing to do with it. If she doesn’t, in my opinion, she gains baggage for future as part of the problem. Especially as she’d be rightly held for ridicule that either hate was okay against others but not her. True, she didn’t necessary complain about the hate, but she and her followers now supporting Obama need to understand that they become accomplices to his hate.

    She’s above that. I supported her and want to continue doing so without the taint of her support for Obama. She has been a leader in the party and will stand to be its leader in the future. She risks this by not being a leader or sitting out Obama’s trainwreck. In my opinion as a support of the Clinton’s since Bill’s first run, and very especially Hillaries senate and recent run for president, if she actively works on his behalf without criticizing the campaign of hate she risks her legacy and future.

  • Gianni

    This news is very significant. It means that MSNBC is sensing that the air is out of the Obama balloon, and it’s deflating rapidly. They will invest in Obama sycophants like Matthews and Olbermann only to the extent that viewership and money flows in. But did you see their coverage of the RNC? It was shameful, just shameful. There will probably be one last ditch, swarming and raging effort by the liberal mainstream media to resecure Obama’s seeming lead–which has now vanished–and they will impale each other along the way to decide who screams loudest and hardest enough. It will be a glorious sight, as the whole lot of them coming crashing down, realizing that their chosen Obamamessiah won’t pull off the charade afterall. But in the meantime they will keep digging an even deeper hole for themselves as they send storm troopers to Alaska to dig up dirt on Governor Palin. God, you could not asked for a more delicious script.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Not exactly. I don’t have the Palin link at hand, but that is not quite what she said. It is a red herring.

    Anyway, does it really matter if the object of the Democratic Party hate is Clinton, Palin, Ferraro? It is wrong.

    Clinton must speak out. She is a leader, even if defeated and waiting a comeback after November. She must speak out so she is not deemed complicit in the continued and current hate. Look, even MSNBC, if the reports are true, are starting to rein in their talking heads (I’ll believe it only if it actually occurs).

  • Lark

    I think that answers where is Clinton? I bet she’s been b___ to the CEOs of these networks, MSM etc. and in conferences with them. I think these actions may be in response to her complaints. I bet.

  • http://panmetron.blogspot.com PanMetron

    I’ll second the yawn, but comment on this:

    “People in the Democratic Party were conditioned to avoid saying or doing anything that might offend someone.”

    If that’s true, why did the vast majority of liberal bloggers drink the kool-aid of The One and channel it so hatefully as you describe? Clearly there were plenty of Democrats who had no problem being hateful over the course of the past year. Sure there are timid PC types as you suggest but I don’t think they are a majority – rather, the Obama campaign has simply played gotcha by spinning any criticism as potentially racist.

    Obama’s campaign has benefitted from the fact that the Howard Dean scream seeped into the souls of the party’s left and came out as a pure torrent of vitriol, and the current anti-Palin foaming at the mouth is a sure sign that this hasn’t abated. But if you think that Hillary could have changed that you miss the whole crux of their character assasination campaign against her: she’s cold, she’s a bitch, she’s power-mad. It’s all B.S., the truth is she was and is and will be a professional, and -that- is one of the reasons we respect her.

    I think you might be overstepping objectivity a little in a magical desire to see Hillary fix things that it isn’t Hillary’s responsibility or ability to fix. It’s not her job to symbolically resolve, by her own decision, the crisis of the party that is beyond her control. Party culture is changed by all of us, and I decided for myslef the answer is to say so long to the Democratic Party until its leadership finds some real fidelity to its principles again and kicks the angry left and the oppurtunistic Axelrod/Dean axis to the curb. You can make your choice and take responsibility for it, Hillary can make her choice and do likewise.

    She will be a professional and contribute to, but not drive, the party’s campaign over these next two months, and then I expect she will return her full attention to her duties as a Senator from New York. Your concern for her future is overwrought; she has a larger national constituency than any other Democrat, including Obama. This is not a big moment of choice for her; your repeated assertions don’t make it so. The big choice will be whether she puts her energy into her Senate re-election for 2012 (which is officially what she’s doing) or whether she will consider another White House run – she will weigh a lot of factors in this decision and I’ll respect it when it’s made. She may even transition to another role, who knows – a more mentoring role for young up-and-coming Democratic leaders or an ideology-shaping role for a party that has been driven into a leftist ditch this year. Whatever becomes of tyrant Obama, Hillary plays the long game and will serve the party and the nation well for years and years to come.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Good point. Leadership has costs. McCain took the hits, stood by his principles and now stands to be the next president. He’s even shown that the Republican Party is more open to women that the Democratic Party.

    That will cost Democrats for a very, very long time. Thanks Obama, Dean, Brazile, and their ilk who said the party was no longer home to whites, latinos, women, blue collar workers, religious people, and folks in small tomes…

  • ssmith

    PLease leave Hillary alone..

    its that fraud’s show now.. if he wants to win.. HE NEEDS TO WORK FOR IT..

    and with the Saracuda, it is looking not possible.. and the repubs have not even unloaded their ammo. yet..

    I am glad Hillary will not really be campaigning that much for that fraud.. let her focus on the senate and congressional seats.

    please please leave hillary alone.. she is not HIS MOMMA… to bail him out!

    this is a sinking ship at this point.. this Obama-titanic NEEDS TO SINK!

    we will wait for hillary in 2012.

    I can fine with voting for mccain/palin this year.

  • TeakwoodKite

    If Senator Clinton is to wander the Badlands in search of water and Bill went to see the Pharaoh to tell him to let his people go, it wouldn’t matter.

    Why? The dance card for this election cycle is full. At the moment both parties are on to voter purging.

    ACORN is hot at it. Not that the Republicans aren’t doing a Harris as well,
    Clinton is looking for positive neutral ground as a way to maintain a presence, however low key that my be.

    Asking her vocally to knowingly stand on quicksand has happened. BO tried and now Bill is going “wrap a newspaper round his head” and ask him “Who you jivin with that Kosmic Debris?”

    We shall see. It is her perogative as a human, as to what she does about it. Confronting a thing head-on may not be the most effective way to defeat it.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    No enough. She cannot support Obama and if she campaigns at all, she must speak out on hate. Anything less will risk making her unviable in 2012 as no Republican would ever consider giving her a vote. Plus, the saner Dems are likely to ask why she didn’t speak up.

  • Mandelay

    What is this? If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again to put it on Hillary’s back? This is not her 3 am call, but it is our call. Hillary’s mission right now is to survive to fight another day. What has shocked me is hearing from lifelong girlfriends who are sending me emails trashing Palin and “expecting” me to fall in with the mob and maul this woman. It’s my 3 am call and I’m standing my ground. Politically, I could not be more at a distance from Palin. But I will defend Palin’s right to be on a national ticket and be treated with respect. Hillary has already be used by the Mcain campaign for their ads. If she needs to avoid doing that again, that’s fine with me. Hillary Clinton and Gerry Ferraro have earned my respect for a lifetime. They have devoted their lives to fighting in the trenches for women in this society. Political observers should take note: this race ceased to be exciting once Hillary withdrew from it in June. Now it’s exciting again … and again, it’s a woman who’s leading the way. This is our 3 am call … all of us.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Her time is past this year. That is, unless she speaks up and leads the party to dumping him. If she’s silent and he drops, she might get the spot but will have the baggage of not speaking up.

  • Seattle Moss

    BREAKING NEWS…

    Blogs for McCain…

    McCain’s convention bounce is off to an early start according to a new Gallup poll among Likely Voters. McCain leads Obama by a whopping 54 to 44%!.
    the newest numbers for “likely voters”

    Care to respond sf..

    Ha Ha!!

  • Steven Mather

    Your comment about their storm troopers makes me wonder about the purported NYT story.

    I love the idea of rural Alaskans setting a trap for an omnivorous media that is seeking dirt to throw at their governor.

  • PYW

    The media yesterday tried to goad Hillary into attacking Palin and she wouldn’t bite. That tells me a lot.

  • IronMan

    YOWZA!!

    USA Today/Gallup Poll Numbers released today:

    In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples.

    McCain 54%
    Obama 44%

    BOOYAH!!

  • http://TIPPY TIPPY

    I agree with you L. I, too, have lost respect for Hillary and do not know if I can ever put my hope and energy in ever supporting her again. I am now supporting McCain/Palin.

  • PewL

    Check out this Video from New Mexco…People just love Palin…Video on the right hand side

    http://www.koat.com/news/17414103/detail.html

  • ybnormal

    “Where is [Hillary] Clinton?”

    Doing her job as usual.

    Since when does the job description of Senator from New York include getting rid of hate?

    …as if that’s something that’s even do-able. Would getting rid of it by next week be soon enough? After that she can move on to tackle eliminating all evil in the world.

    By the way, what specifically would you have Hillary (admirable but nevertheless mere mortal) Clinton do in all her ‘spare’ time?

  • Mandelay

    Not sure if you’re saying that Gerry Ferraro has endorsed Obama-Biden, but if that’s what you’re saying, would you please post a link to that story? I cannot find it anywhere. Thanks.

  • Judy

    I have some of the same feelings that Matthew does.

    Love Hillary – actually cried over what was done to her, and cried when she left the race.

    However, I wish she would not come to this bozo’s rescue. I understand about the party; however, we are all in agreement that the party of the Clinton’s is gone.

    I don’t know, I don’t feel good about her being called on by him – I guess I see it as more abuse and disrespect from Obama, and I honestly have a hard time watching it. I am just sick about him and his dirty tricks. I see this as dirty/dirty/dirty.

  • typical.white.person

    .

    (CNN) – Sen. Barack Obama and former president Bill Clinton will share a private lunch together on Thursday, September 11, CNN has confirmed.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    I especially like the last:

    Sources Confirm Olberrman so upset he has been placed on suicide watch and Mathews felt a tinkle run down his leg.

    Can we get Patracimora to do up an appropriate cartoon?

  • cdo

    think the MSNBC thing could be related…?

  • http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/ Michael

    You lost respect for Hillary? Dam, what do some of you want from the woman? Poor Hillary… damned if ya do, damned if ya dont.

    *shakes head*

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver
  • Gloria

    Check out the former Hillary Clinton fundraisers hosting Barack Obama’s 9/19 fundraiser at the Biltmore (general admission is $1,000 and $15,000 gets you a photo with Obama).
    http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/09/obama-raising-c.html

  • SJ

    No one is thrashing Hillary, but we have to face the reality that Hillary may never get a chance at being President again, a chance that Obama robbed her of.

    Hillary’s loyalty to party is amazing, and when I see it I myself question if its dedication to ones party or denial of what was done to her.

    I know there are some that will not vote for Sarah Palin because of their support to Hillary, and it pains me when I listen to woman like Gloria Allard a Hillary delegate coming out and saying vote Obama, Palin is not ready, after months of saying vote for Hillary Obama is not ready.

    Obama was not ready then so how in heavens name can he be ready now that Hillary is no longer in the race, and for Hillary or anyone on her side to try and sell that now to voters its very comical and disingenuous.

    It sure does not seems that these persons who now have a change of heart as Palin is in and Hillary is out are not pushing country first but more in the tune of pushing their own self interest or trying to give Hillary a good shot at keeping in the politics with the hope of making a run again. Unfortunately to me 2016 is a very long time and no matter how you look at it or who wins that is the length of time that is in the cards.

    As a voter and being given those options I would rather try with Mc Cain/Palin than have to hold my nose and stomach Obama and Hillary’s pandering to him for the next eight years. I don’t know how any of you can even imagine years of people like Donna Brizille, and all those that had so much to say about Hillary, years of people like Axelrod and the boys, all the hidden power brokers in the media that ran Hillary off the map, is that what some of you prefer?

    Sorry I have see what they can do, so am willing to give two new mavericks a try, just watching Sarah get under Obama’s skin and plunge the knife with a smile is worth my vote, sad to say that was something Hillary was afraid to do and has paid dearly for it.

  • HARP

    Maybe another vacation for Barry is in order.

  • katmandu

    It looks like the 10% lead comes among likely voters, which in recent years has favored the Republicans.

    In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm

    The question always is — which pollster’s model is superior? Can they gauge the enthusiasm of newly registered voters? Etc.

    Still, I’d rather be in McCain’s position now. Palin still has to perform in her interviews — but she has debated before and spoken in public numerous times.

  • KC

    Exactly.

  • AnnieO

    Don’t talk about it as all we do is feed the critics.

    I deeply believe this is the course this site should be taking.

    HRC’s campaign has had the opportunity to see that her supporters are paying attention to her actions and the impact it might have on her political future.

    BO’s campaign is more than happy to turn this into a cat fight by sending out women Dems, because he is a sick fuck. Why feed into it?

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    I doubt Clinton would ever go independent or try to start a new party. She is pretty much a life-long Democrat and her and Bill have invested in it. She needs to protect that legacy and capital for Obama and the new party’s hate.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    This article doesn’t make the previous one less stupid. It was a vaste of our time.

    Larry, I don’t understand. Is this still a pro-Hillary blog spot?

    BTW this article is pretty stupid too.

  • Lark

    Obama’s campaign has benefitted from the fact that

    The media, specially MSmbc and Cnn wanted to “recruit” (Obama’s favorite word) the audience from the Dem Party that was attracted to Obama. This is a fresh and well to do audience. It was perfectly planned. Obama just sang the songs and they played the orchestra.

    Hmmm. I knew that the minute Obama’s failure would just tweak they would cut the mike. After McCain brought Palin, MS as you can see already change pitcher and catcher. Why? Because the money is now changing hands. Call them whatever you like, I’m sure it fits.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    Bill better get a food taster…

  • ohio

    She said on Fox just the other day. Biden sealed it for her. Geraldine said that she trusted Biden.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    From their 8/30-31 poll, that is a 17-point shift in a week! 17 points !!!

  • gumdart

    Thanks for the laugh.

  • KC

    Joke from that site:

    One day a fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.

    All the typical answers came up — fireman, mechanic, businessman, salesman, doctor, lawyer, and so forth.

    However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet, so when the teacher prodded him about his father, he replied,

    ‘My father’s an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men and they put money in his underwear.

    Sometimes, if the offer is really good he will go home with some guy and stay with him all night for money.’

    The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some exercises and then took little Justin aside to ask him,

    ‘Is that really true about your father?’

    ‘No,’ the boy said,

    ‘He works for the Democratic National Committee and is helping to get Barack Obama to be our next President, but I was too embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids.’

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    agreed.

    Another shitty followup article to a shitty original article.

    And thats all i am going to say on this tripe that tries to make Hillary responsible for pointing out what asses the Obama campaign and MSM are being and that its her 3:00 am moment. Take this shit to Daily KOS.

    Not her fight.

    My T-Shirt still says:

    Hillary is not running anymore.
    Leave her the fuck out of it!

  • Diana

    Oh my gosh! lol I had to go back and read that first paragraph again, that 90′s thing just went sailing over my head for a second! Here I was thinking what baby missing from Australia? Are these people on crack? I was ready to come unglued and I haven’t even finished gluing myself back together from the primaries totally yet.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Yes, I heard her support the party but she remained coy on who she’d vote for in the polling booth.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    Sorry, my note is directed to Matthew Weaver and Larry Johnson. (Before anyone else gets angry.)

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    Matthew,

    You still conveniently have avoided the reality that the politics of personal distruction is what the dems have been engaging in against Hillary, since the democratic primary began. Like it or not, the DNC has the power to destroy Hillary if she gives them the ammunition to do it with.

    BTW, Hillary is standing up to obama the only way she can, by refusing to attack Palin.

    Like I said previously, the PUMA mantra is “Thank you, Hillary. We’ll take it from here.”

    The fight against this kind of Chicago style politics must come from the people.

  • StrawberrybitesBarky

    And keep an eye on his Buffalo Wings.

  • http://cinie.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/a-radical-idea/ A Radical Idea « Cinie’s World

    [...] pm (Hillary Clinton, Politics) (John McCain, Just Say No Deal, PUMA) Matthew Weaver, posting on No Quarter is asking the question, “Where’s Hillary?”  Matthew wants to know what [...]

  • Mandelay

    Don’t know if this is true but I’ve read that when Hillary remarked about the blatant sexism in the primary, Sarah Palin was quoted as saying that Hillary was whining. If this is true, Sarah now knows what Hills was “whining” about. Maybe these “shared experiences” will turn the tide. Until Hils rises, I defend Sarah, vote for Mac, and look upon Hillary and Bill as leaders of the True Dems in Exile. Love those new poll numbers and looking forward to more installments of O’Reilly’s sessions with Obama this week.

  • Artemis

    In response to Blog Force One’s post that this election will shake up both the GOP and Dems — all I can say is I HOPE SO!!! When I listen to what is being spewed by the Democrats and their media mouthpieces, I can’t believe I was ever a member of that party. If I were Hillary, I’d lie low and wait for the smoke to clear.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    When Olberrman started talking about banning replacing Brokaw or WIlliams thats when the sleeping giants at nbc awoke.

    Olbermans Meteoric rize has reached its zenith.

    Expect him and his minni me Rachel Maddog to be relegated to their places within the next 6 months.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    I think, the strongarming of the Clintons is a thing of the past. I can imagine that BHO is prepared to kiss Bill’s butt if that is what it takes to get their help.

  • LogicallySpeaking

    I lost respect for both Dem’s and Republicans.

  • candymarl

    Gee that’s too bad. I’m crushed. NOT.

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    Matthew,

    The RNC would never have chosen Palin, if Hillary had been the nominee.

    I would say the RNC became “enlightened” when they realized that women who supported Hillary were mad as hell and were openly stating they would not vote for obama. They realized the power of the women’s vote was open for grabs and they outsmarted the idiots at the DNC.

    The best part though, is that when McCain wins, the RNC will have to continue with their new found love for women in real power, or they will be facing the same backlash that the DNC has.

    In the end, it was Hillary’s magnificent race and the women’s outcry of “enough is enough” to the rampant misogyny that made McCain/Palin possible.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    I don’t expect Hillary to “fix things” but, yes, I do expect her to show some leadership and, especially if she goes out campaigning, to speak out. What are you afraid of? The someone might be offended? That they might criticize her for speaking up? She’s a leader, not a follower and I, personally, expect leaders to lead.

  • Jillie

    hillary showed her class and her support for women with her remarks about palin’s candidacy. i don’t think she could have said it any clearer.

  • AnnieO

    Expect him and his minni me Rachel Maddog to be relegated to their places within the next 6 months.

    I hope and pray.

    Did everyone see this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqW8a5kw3Vc

    This guy is such a puke!!

    BTW, MSNBC is showing “9/11: As it Happened” on 9/11

  • standard

    On Fox tonight, Susan Estrich expressed anger at the way Palin is being treated by the media.
    Even though Estrich disagrees with Palin on almost every issue, she thinks MSM has been stinky.

  • candymarl

    This far out from the election I don’t get too excited about polls.

    That said, even this far out that’s a big shift.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    As I wrote above, and I do not have a link at present, but that is not exactly true. Anyway, what does that matter. We are talking about right and wrong in the party not tit-for-tat.

  • AnnieO

    Evidence of BO’s desperation! The ass-kissing has begun!

  • catherine

    I say Hillary should stay out of the fray and wait for McCain to offer her a cabinet post she so much deserves. He has already said he intends to place the best and brightest on his cabinet from both parties and I believe he includes Hillary in this group. It would be the biggest slap in the face to the Democratic party for treating her like trash throughout the primary season and convention. It would also be good for the country to have her on their leadership team. She should lay low. Her time will come- soon.

  • standard

    sucks

  • kgirl1028

    because if she says something, in will diminish what people are seeing about Obama and the press. If she opens her mouth they are going to claim she’s trying to undercut obama, and promote her own agenda. So if she let’s these fools continue, people will see it a whole lot clearer than if she was to open her mouth. I think it’s safe to say a large part of the general public and democrats perceive hillary and bill as whiners. I am 100% sure John McCain picked someone who was strong enough to take it…to put it bluntly. wise people know when to speak and when to shut the hell up. Hillary who is the same age as my parents know this.

  • Objective analysis

    Let the $*&%$)*%&) [Edited for offensive and racist language] and his crazy wife fall!

    Along with Dean, Reid, Brazile, Pelosi, Kennedy and others who supported this weak ass Barack America.

    Treat them just like they told her and her husband during the battle. “I have to think about HIS TONE.”

    PUMA 2008!

    [ADMINISTRATOR: RACIST AND OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE IS NOT PERMITTED ON THIS BLOG.]

  • Diana

    Hillary’s camp released a statement today that she would not be an attack dog on Palin for Obama. I posted a link to it earlier, the reporter went on to add some MSM talking points as to why it was wrong of her not to be the attack dog, but Hillary knows. She’s not buying into their nonsense and guilt trips. I’m glad she released a statement on it, it debunks all the crap they’ve been trying to feed us for the past week. As far as I can tell from that same article she is only going to campaign for him in Florida and in Texas. Texas isn’t even a battleground state, she’s going there to help pay off her debt.

  • standard

    How are his ratings doing now?
    The Republicans have no more reason to prop him up now that HRC is out of the picture.

  • SJ

    Matthew has a point because when I have to watch Hillary coming to the defense of Obama, and telling voters to support him now I really don’t know about any of you but that sure gets my goat.

    I still cant find a way to understand that this is something she has to do, we are all adults do we go around doing stuff even if we know its against our principles or what we stand for? As individuals we all have to stand for something, and I feel Hillary asked all of us to stand with her to fight with her against Obama and his crap, and now at the drop of the hat am suppose to forget that, overlook it and listen to what she is telling me now?

    So I am suppose to listen and tell myself oh she is just telling voters this but she really does not mean it, in other words she is lying for Obama is that not the case? Come on people deep in your hearts you know that cannot be right Hillary should of cut her ties with Obama told him thanks but no thanks and stayed out, all this silly talk that her political career would be dead if she did not is poppycock its dead if she keeps pushing his cause now because she is starting to lose credibility, and it would be long before the Republicans start to ask her why she is flip flopping on Obama also after all that she has previously said.

  • susan

    Matthew Weaver:with all due respect, STFU.
    take your concern-trolling BS back to the Oborg you came from. Hillary doesn’t have to carry Obama’s water on this-that was the job he gave to BIDEN.

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    Matthew,

    It has nothing to do with her being a “life long” democrat. The powers that be in Congress have effectively cut off the possibility for a third party candidate to be a viable candidate to take on the two-party system. So, that would be the most likely reason Hillary hasn’t taken on the whole corrupt system by going “indepedent”. You can’t make change if you’re not in the game. Until we achieve real campaign finance reform, we will never have viable candidates outside the 2-party system.

    As everything in politics these days, it comes down to MONEY and no major contributor gives money to Independent candidates. They have to be billionaires — such as Ross Perot. He did better than most, but he was no real threat.

    The more Hillary engages in controversial positions at this point in the general election, the more likely it will be used against her, just like they did with Cynthia McKinney. Remember her? I considered her a great leader who stood up to the power establishment. She’s now running as an independent and, sadly, will have no power base in which to get her message to the people any longer.

    Is that what you want to see happen to Hillary?

  • an observer

    Why is it Hillary’s battle alone?
    Have you contacted your Democratic Party county chairman?
    Have you sent a certified delivered letter to your Sec’y of State concerning the eligibility of Obama?
    At this point, if Obama crashes, the DNC would pick the replacement nominee.
    If Hillary is in any way connected to his fall, they will use that to deny her the nomination in the name of party unity.
    This battle in this war is yours, not hers. She already fought her battle and won! We “on the ground Democrats” around the country allowed a manipulation of the caucuses along with a lot of whores in the party being bought out with Soros’ money that resulted in her not getting the nomination. We can address those whore’s “sell out” in future next elections. Right now we need to address our impotence!

  • Dan

    This board will LOVE the latest USA Today/Gallup poll.

    It has McCain/Palin up by 10 POINTS!!! :-)

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm

    That sucking sound you hear outside your window is the sound of leftist sphincters puckering all across the country!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    ^ clap clap clap

  • http://deleted Kathleen

    BTW, after the 2004 election, McCain did not speak out against bush, as he had in the past, but seemed to become an ally.

    Politics is politics, Matthew, and McCain did not stand up against bush as much as you say he has, after that loss. That’s why he’s the presidential nominee today.

    Hillary is doing the same thing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    That visual is beyond the pale….i don’t know if i will ever get that out of my head.

    I will be sending you my therapy bill.

  • candymarl

    Obama also now supports the surge. He now says it’s working wonderfully.

    He also now wishes he could have served in Vietnam. Of course he was too young and it wouldn’t have happened. There goes the anti-war candidate thing.

    But hey, he was born as a result of the Selma march. Which happened after he was born.

    His followers are too busy attacking Palin to notice his shift to the right.

    Do they still believe he’s THE ONE? Why yes he is. THE ONE that takes any position on any given day despite his promises to his supporters.

    But Obama supporters don’t mind. He’s just saying these things to get elected. That’s what any old time politician does. Obama said he wasn’t going to use old political tactics. Except when he does.

  • kgirl1028

    You got to know when to hold em,
    know when to fold em,
    Know when to walk away and know when to run.
    You never count your money when you’re sittin at the table.
    There’ll be time enough for countin when the dealins done.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Your post is inappropriate.

  • Darryl

    Nice try trying to make it seem like larry is against hillary, go bad to Obama.com.

  • politicsIsdirty

    I think Hillary should reinvent herself and rise above the current political partisanship.

  • No Mo, Bo or Stumblin Jo

    Matthew–I understand your point of view on this issue. As a woman, I would have liked to have seen all women fight back against it because it would have ended the subject immediately. I think Geraldine Ferraro did and almost seemed to be against Obama but she seemed to flip back (outwardly) into supporting him. Even Sally Quinn told Palin to go home and take care of her babies–the world has just gone upside down. The way these women are behaving makes me think that those Chicago thugs are even worse then I suspect.

    I don’t know if I can agree with you but respect your earnest effort to gather opinion. I do wish Hill would just take a few months off and let his highness land on his butt Nov 4.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com UBM

    A white housekeeper, I hope.

    :^)

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    Hillary Clinton DID speak up against the personal attacks on Sarah Palin. I referenced one or two at the first part of this article. Do some research please.

  • Postmaster

    I think Obama should leave Hillary alone. He had no qualms in trashing her and Bill. He is an arrogant, pompous ass. Nothing he can say and do now or ever will change the fact that he robbed her and the media aided and abetted. If Hillary believes campaigning for him will keep her in good graces with the DNC, then that’s a decision she will have to live with, good or bad. She told us from the beginning that Obama was not qualified, I believed her then and I believe it now. However, my concern is this,if she does a good job of campaigning for him and he wins, then we are stuck and I mean STUCK with Obama, Dean, Brazile and the rest of the bums. With them still running things, how can Hillary trust them in 2016 to back her? It’s evident to me that the DNC will do whatever it takes to keep her out of the White House so why would they not do that a second time? I sure wouldn’t trust them and I hope she won’t either.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    She DID speak out. Do your research.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Sorry, I won’t shut up. I supported Clinton and respected her leadership and the direction she wanted to take the party and the country. I am concerned that she might taint her legacy and future by either (1) campaigning for Obama or (2) ignoring the hate from the party. You can be assured that Republicans, moderate Dems, and others that might be future voters for her won’t forget.

  • Zelda Crunch

    Ditto.

  • Brendy

    Hillary has opened to the door for women WHO HAVE BRAINS, COMPASSION AND EXPERIENCE. Does it REALLY matter that that person is a male or female? The fact that Hillary is a female should be great for all of us! Don’t let the racist, un-American Obama ‘male’ steal the thunder from ‘women who are JUST AS SMART AS MEN’. Palin sounds like a decent/fair person – just as Hillary is. Why not give her a chance, and maybe – in 2012 – we might be voting for Hillary OR Palin for president! Wouldn’t THAT be something?! We could ALL win!

  • AnnieO

    And the bounce has not been fully measured yet!! , As we say in the boondocks, yee-haw !

  • standard

    to answer my question. On 8_29, O’Reilly had 949 thousand viewers, Countdown, 508 thousand.
    Olberman was stomped.
    And my theory is he’s heading down the toilet. And Daily Kos sock puppets won’t help his ass.

  • carol

    Hillary is not the DNC’s mama. They broke it, it can’t be fixed without all of the culprits out. We have the list.

    Punishment, Retribution and Reform 2008

    And don’t come back here with this bullshit!

  • kcfromtx

    I will take great pleasure in watching Judas’s state go red this November.

  • standard

    I don’t think she’s going to be able to persuade any enlightened individual to vote for ORat.
    But I do think it is a good for HRC to stay in the public eye, and to present herself in positive light of trying to help the loser.

  • Bugs Bunny

    Please….let it be true!
    There’s a special place in hell for those msnBO hacks.

  • BevvyJean

    Well spoken. Thanks, SJ! I agree.

  • No Mo, Bo or Stumblin Jo

    MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.
    NY Times

    I’m weeping.

  • http://www.greensunshine.net jadwiga

    I saw a speech by McCain (I guess), where he said that Obama is putting himself before country and before party. This was a very thinly veiled critique of his behavior against Hillary and her supporters.
    I don’t have reference, but somebody else might have seen it too.

  • AnnieO

    What is wrong with all these so-called feminists, who support Obama? I think that is the issue that needs addressing. They don’t seem to understand that, by supporting Obama, they are voting against themselves!

  • kgirl1028

    You know Farraro is a shrewed woman. If I waere obama, I would watch my back. YOu must remember Obama camp accused her of being prejudice, and then tried to get her fired from a job she no longer worked at. She does not like him at all. so if she is supporting obama something is up. either their is a plan brewing or Obama Chicago thugs and minions have forced her to drink the Koolaid.

  • standard

    There were so many Judas’s this past election.
    So many high profile AAs in DC owe his/her careers to Bill Clinton.
    Donkey Brassiere would have another good gig to look forward to if she hadn’t betrayed Clinton.

  • Diana

    She never said Hillary was whining. She was talking about the perceived whine from the media. She also went on to praise Hillary several times.

    I think fair or unfair, and I do think it is a more concentrated critism that Hillary gets on so many fronts. That’s unfortunate, but fair or unfair I think she does herself a diservice to even mention it. You got to plow through that. You have to know what your getting into. Which I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo, but when I hear a statement like that coming from any woman candidate with any kind of a perceived whine about that excess critisism or a sharper microscope put on her that doesn’t do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don’t think it bodes well for her becuase a statement like that, again fair or unfair it is a reality and I think it’s a given I think people just accept that she is going to be under that sharper microscope. So be it, you have to work harder. Prove yourself to an even greater degree that you’re capable, that you’re going to be the best candidate and that of course is what she wants us to believe at this point. It bothers me a little bit to hear her bringing that attention to herself.

    Second part of the interview:
    I recognize that Hillary seems to be trying real hard to be tough. But I say more power to her, I think she’s had to do that! Unfortunate that she’s had to do that. But she comes across to me as tough, capable, I can respect that in her that she is this tough, capable and experienced. You wonder though if there is another side to her that is I don’t know softer, softer isn’t the right word. You wonder about the personality. You know what’s the other side like? What I have perceived from watching Main Stream media is she’s trying really hard to be tough and to show that resume and to prove she’s got the experience. That’s been the latest round of everything last week, experience. As you’ve said it’s gone round and round as to what the message has been in the campaign, but it does come back to the experience. I recognize that’s what she’s trying to do and that it’s unfortunate again that maybe a woman candidate feels that they have to go there.(Joking/laughter) then…no you know and back to Hillary again. She comes across to me and I respect this too, as someone who just doesn’t have time to pussyfoot around and try to win you over with charm and personality. I do I respect that though! She has that healthy degree of impatience, she just wants to get in there and get the job done. She’s going to go from point A to point B, get the job done. I say with all due respect to the candidate, I’m not going to vote for her, but I do respect that in her.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Y8FKAsxmk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPAIUwYPsjI

  • Dawnelle

    hmmmm

    hyper much?

    yikes someone take her off the caffeine drip

    lol – interesting clip thanks

  • Obama ’08

    [Edited for offensive and sexist language] is an ingrate. She should be honored Obama would allow her [Edited for offensive, sexist and racist language] to campaign for him.

    Obama [Edited for violent and sexist language] her for what she did during the primary.

    Obama 2008! Hope and Change!

    [ADMINISTRATOR: SEXIST, VIOLENT AND OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE IS NOT PERMITTED ON THIS BLOG.]

  • Cindy

    The Democratic Party has become a rabid dog that needs to be put down.
    Our revolution, (and I see it as such) against the Democratic Party is not an easy one, but revolutions are not revolutions if they’re easy. There will be sacrifices, but our cause is worth it.
    I’m honored to be among such wonderfully enlightened and revolutionary people as those who write and comment on No Quarter.

  • lute

    You can always smell a Troll because they talk through their ass.

  • I am Backtrack Oblahblah and approved this message

    McCain took a load of crap from Bush/Rove in the 2000 election but bit his lip and look where he is now at the head of his party’s ticket.

  • God Damn Michelle Obama

    I find this essay very uninteresting. BOOH!!!!!

  • RepublicanChick

    Matthew:

    You’re a glutton for punishment, huh? :-)

    Larry or Susan:

    I’m ready for a new topic!

    Thanks,
    RC
    :-)

  • I am Backtrack Oblahblah and approved this message

    I agree totally.

  • Gary

    How would you feel if Hillary trashed Sarah Palin? I hope she doesn’t do that. But, she is put in a difficult position, support Obama, or support a woman.
    I hope she does not trash Sarah Palin.
    Gary

  • kgirl1028

    You know one thing black female learns how to make better than anything else is Koolaid. And while Bushes Koolaid was good, michelle added some ginger ale and pineapple juice, and orange slices. Who needs suffrage when you have Koolaid with orange slices.

  • cdo

    it is was just as uninteresting the first time it was posted

  • lusitania

    I agree. Leave Hillary alone. Her judgement is superior and I trust her to do what is right. During the primary season I wore a button that said “I’m for Hillary. Ask me Why.” When people did ask, I always told them short and sweet…”It’s because I trust her.”

    Barry needs to begin to find something he can point to as an actual accomplishment. Let him do his own dirty work. After all, that type of dirty work is something he’s actually good at.

    Hillary owes him NADDA!

  • AnnieO

    I think this post gives some insight into the Obama psyche.

  • http://democratswrite.com Bob

    You know whitey If you don’t vote for Barack You are a racist

  • I am Backtrack Oblahblah and approved this message

    This looks like a joke troll but not a very funny one. Or are there trolls stupid enough to post that garbage here?

  • an observer

    Hillary attacking Obama is fast becoming a mute point:

    The parrot-like endorsements of Treasury Secretary Paulson’s announced bank bailout through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, by Barack Obama and John McCain, shows the power of insane “consensus” even in the face of a crises that threatens to engulf America in a national tragedy.

    “It has to be done,” McCain said this morning even before Paulson made his announcement, and he added, “I have the greatest respect for Henry Paulson.”

    Even more absurdly, Obama, speaking in Terre Haute, Indiana, called the move a big bailout of investors by the Bush Administration at taxpayers expense–then added, “It’s got to be done.” Obama said he had spoken to Paulson for 45 minutes on Saturday about what Treasury was about to do.

    Both candidates immediately agreeing that Paulson’s new, potentially multi-hundred-billion-dollar, hyperinflationary bailout “must be done,” marks either their complete lack of policy ideas or judgment on economic recovery or knowing compliance with a wholesale transfer of this debt to the citizenry of the United States (which in my opinion is treasonous). Toleration by the American electorate up to now of such clueless candidates’ subservience to Wall Street, and to the actions of the Federal Reserve, is a tragedy.

    By November both of these candidates may be considered inconsequential by Americans panicked by the storms of the financial crash and economic collapse still in progress and, in fact, accelerating.

  • No Mo, Bo or Stumblin Jo

    I like Geraldine more now than I did back in the day. She said she wasn’t sure if she would vote for Obama, parroting back Michelle’s comment. Love her, totally don’t understand her change in attitude now unless she’s being forced to tow the line for the sake of Hillary’s future. I don’t like these thugs.

  • apishapa

    I supported Hillary in part because I was furious about the way she was treated by her own party. My party for over 35 years. I was ashamed of my party for allowing this nonsense to go on. I felt and still feel betrayed and a little lost. I defended Hillary again and again against members of my own family and at work.

    I expect her to have enough backbone and integrity to stand up for another woman who is being beaten up by this same party and the media. If she is the woman we’ve been led to believe she is, she will speak up against sexism.

    I did not fall for the explanation from the Obamabots when they said that it was okay for him to distance himself from certain ideals, because it was politically expedient to do so. After he wins the election he will rediscover his values and everything will be wonderful. Horseshit.

    This is the same thing. If it was unacceptable for Obama to change sides on certain issues (FISA) why is it okay for Hillary to ignore, keep her mouth shut and “go along to get along” with sexist attacks on a woman, after all that has happened? A big part of her appeal over the last several months has been solidarity from woman who were shocked and offended at the way she was treated.

    If she is not strong enough to stand up against sexism from the same jackasses who atacked her, when they go after another woman, then one has to wonder just how strong her committment to the rest of us women is. When is she expected to demonstrate her committment to her values? Should she defend only Democrat women? Only herself? Only while she is still running?

    If she waits around for four years to remember that she opposes misogyny,she will find it difficult to get the same suppport she had this time. She needs to walk the walk right now.

    I do not expect her to embrace Palin’s policies that she finds objectionable. No one has suggested that she embrace the Republican Party or ticket. But, if she has more loyalty to the Democratic Party (who fucked her over royally) than she does to her ideals, it is time to find out now and find a new hero.

    I cannot believe anyone here actually is using the same bullshit excuses that Obamabots have used (and we all derided) for months. “It’s okay because it is politically savvy to suck up to those who are in power.”

  • IronMan

    LMAO!! HAHAHAHA!!

  • Hmm

    The job that Obama is running for is President of the United States of America-not damsel in distress.

    He has to show the public he can fight his way out of this little problem on his own.

    If he can’t, he needs to seek a new line of work. We don’t need a president who throws up his wrists and sighs and faints at every little challenge.

  • yttik

    “She’s in a lose-lose position wherein she’ll be blamed for Obama’s loss whether she helps him or not”

    Clinton is female. Of course she’s in a lose-lose situation, in the court of public opinion anyway. Nothing she does will be viewed favorably. She’ll be blamed for everything, including the weather and quite likely Obama’s loss. But Hillary is capable of persisting and achieving anyway. She’s been around the block.

    I suspect she’ll do what she can to campaign for Obama. Her power in congress will increase even more over the next four years. Quite likely she’ll run again for president in 2012.

    It is not Hillary’s job to stand against the Dem party and speak out against Obama. It is not her responsibility. She cannot save the party from itself, especially when it does not appear to want to be saved. They have to learn their own lessons the hard way.

    She also can’t stop the New Dem party from reveling in their hate of Palin, which she is probably well aware is likely to cost them the election.

    I think Hillary already made her statement perfectly when she said she would not be going after Palin because Palin was not the one running for President.

  • sowsear

    Unless the Republicans come up with something that will stick to this teflon god, he will, undoubtedly ,make this a really close race. He is as corrupt as we have ever seen and blatantly so! He may want to be seen as an underdog and put upon so his minions will buy more votes for him, and train more brownshirts for him and his civilian policeforce. If he wins or loses this race. he still has an army behind him and probably as much money as it takes to keep abuilding until the next election. Unless he is disgraced he’ll never give up his hold on the DNC.
    I wish Hillary would get over it!

  • Dawnelle

    I always thought the Republicans (thanks to GW) were more stubborn and ignorant than Progressives

    my daughter (whom I guess I taught too well?) told me tonight on the phone that if I voted for McCain I would be the bIGGEST hypocrite EVER!

    Thanks to GW, I spent the better part of the last 8 yrs railing against Republicans. She’s 26. That’s pretty much her whole adult life so far.

    She has had little to NO time to hear about McCain or Palin and refuses to read any of it now. She said Hillary lost and no matter what I should at LEAST vote for the any DEM over any REPUG

    She won’t hear the details of OBAMA’s and the DNC’s treachery and thinks they ALL DO IT.

    If they won’t HEAR it how the hell can we debate the issues????? I called her an ostrich and told her to DO HER HOMEWORK (and hung up) lol

    she knows my Mom and I became unaffiliated back in May. She’s just trying to ignore the facts. And she was a HUGE Hillary supporter. (bought Hillary’s koolaid gift to BArry)

    sigh
    I give up
    (that whitey tape would be really good for me right about now)

    IF I COULD EVEN GET HER TO WATCH IT

    tsk

  • AnnieO

    No matter how you slice it, we’re paying for it, either thru bailouts or an extended period of reduced home values.

  • Faye

    I would like to see Hillary aggressively help campaign and help raise money for the senators that are up for reelection. She will need to do some for B O\Biden because she promised and this will fulfill that promise. She can sprinkle her vision for the party during these speeches and that could\ should be the need to take strong stands against any real or perceived hostility against any group within the party.She could also take a page from Palin by fighting against party corruption. Anyway I would like to see her set a good foundation to challenge Reid for his position after B O’s defeat.
    Every time I see B O (or write it), I have a picture of B.O. Plenty flash through my mind. Is anyone old enough to remember that comic strip character? I forgot what strip he appeared in but it is good for a laugh.

  • Lark

    I think so.

  • Gary

    Observer,
    address my question of should Hillary support Obama by belittlilng John McCain. Start your own comment if you want to change the conversation to the issue of mortgages.
    Gary

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    No, support the party’s ideals and tradition or support Obama.

  • AnneinPA

    Just like he did in the primary. ” I agree with Sen.
    Clinton on that” at every friggin debate.

  • Republitarian-No-Troll

    I don’t have a problem with Sarah Palin in power! Nor, I suspect, do most reasonable conservatives.

    I can’t comment with authority on what Hillary should do, as she is not my favorite. But, hunch would be that if she (one way or another) slyly ditches this Obama bum, that in the end ot will do her well.

    A 2012 Sarah vs. Hillary would be quite a show, BRAVO!

    I really like this site, lots of good to-and-fro, all views welcome, even trolls.

  • Lochos Vestu

    What is this madness about this being Hillary’s 3AM moment?

    I would like to see Palin, the GOP women and GOP politicians like Giulani, Romney, Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrinch defend Hillary Clinton. How about the GOP? Why don’t you call it the GOP’s 3AM moment for not defending Hillary Clinton from sexists attacks?

    This post speaks of absolute idiocy.

    HILLARY ’12!!!

  • so saddened

    read that bill asked for the meeting.

    wonder if maybe he knows oblow needs them more than ever and is demanding sec of state, supreme court, whatever? would piss me off if she were to take s ct – would be oblow’s way of guaranteeing she’d never be a political problem for him or his co-conspirators in the destruction of democracy. would piss me off if she took sec of state, too, since she’d have to do whatever stupid thing he told her to, then he’d fire her and blame her when his stupid plans went awry.

    she needs to stay away from the oblow implosion. but suspect she and bill won’t do it.

    damn!

    anyway, no matter what they do – mccain/palin ’08!

  • bemused

    She is still a senator. She does the most with what she has every day, she has said. When she saw that Obama could not win, and she could not win against the corrupt DNC, what on earth could it have helped her to speak against them? The enemies are still going to be out there with their knives and the media are going to control the narrative. Since she played along until the big cracks started to show, she can escape the fall. Much more important, now she knows where all the traitors are and how it all worked and how to fight back. Now she’s going to let Barry lie in the bed he made and work on the downticket. Then she can be strong in the Senate and get reentrenched against her enemies.

    Matthew, she speaks out every day against bad things, or for good things. It’s my thought you feel you invested in her being able to do more than she could and you keep asking for someone to validate your opinion. I too put forth a “why doesn’t someone speak up” question when I said that if the Republicans knew that Obama was unelectible, they had a moral duty to bring that forth before the crooked nomination. Because to do otherwise would be to aid and abet a crime, albeit one of procedures and organizational rules. I still feel that public safety before party loyalty is a moral duty, but I got as much support as you are on this post. Everyone blamed the DNC for being sucked into this conspiracy, said they should have done their vetting better.
    Or maybe you wish someone would get the DNC on this. I’d love to see them in jail, myself, but Hillary can’t do anything by speaking up against them. Come on. What venue is she going to use to “speak out” that won’t report to the world that she is whining and backbiting?

  • kcfromtx

    What happened to oblowme’s cocky statement that he was sure he would get her voters? As one of Oprah’s favorite people says, “How’s that working out for you Barry?”

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    I agree. Maybe it is persistence, stubborness, or assertiveness, or whatever… I just don’t like the status quo and think Clinton has the stature to lead the party back to its traditional values and ideals. Anyway, you are right, enough for this thread.

    Thanks,
    Matthew

  • fif

    She too often played nice, played polite, and played party loyalist rather than calling hate, whether racist or sexist, for what it is—wrong and unacceptable. As her supporters we’ve been far more willing to challenge this hate and say no.

    I am glad you posted this again, because I tried repeatedly to get into the first thread, and it wouldn’t load. I am a regular NoQuarter poster and this topic made me really angry. I love how anyone and everyone thinks they have a right to tell Hillary “what she SHOULD be doing right now.” (You have joined company with Patti Davis in Time Magazine this week.) I also find it offensive that so many MEN think they are entitled to judge Hillary re: her role in the fight for women’s rights. Matthew, she has done more for women’s rights than you will ever dream of doing. Who are you to judge how much more she should give and when? She put herself on the line in China–do you think she is afraid to do so here? How can you or anyone else know what really went on behind the scenes during this primary season, and is still going on. Hillary has legislative goals, plans and commitments (to downticket Dems that served her valiantly) that could be influencing her decisions. Furthermore, she made it very clear this week that she will NOT judge or critique Sarah Palin. That in itself is a great feminist statement when the likes of Gloria Steinem are repeating unresearched smears. Her example speaks for itself. Your sanctimonious self-righteousness is offensive.

    BTW: Hillary was on a well-earned vacation this week. She is NOT the nominee OR the VP. Was she supposed to interrupt her vacation to intrude on the Republican Convention? Maybe she should check with you first Matthew, and see if it’s ok with you.

  • kgirl1028

    that’s why I wanted Hillary and Bill in office. they balanced or budget and got our economy back on trash, and it was one the reasons i was livid about Obama winning the primary. obama to me has shown more bush cronyism than McCain. that 14 million dollars he gave to Rezko et al. to build crappy housing is not different that what happened in Iraq. So when obama one I found it offensive that people in this country would be so willing to throw our economy down the crapper just to make history. the only reason we get to sit around and have petty differences is because we have all of our needs taken care of, but when you end up having to forage for food, because you can’t afford any, all this bull becomes trivial. My biggest disappointment when i because an adult was how stupid adults are. the fact that people in this country are so willing to throw away their future, is beyond me. they don’t care about who’s president, they don’t’ care about the environment, they don’t care about our economy, and while i’m perfectly content to let people do what ever the hell whey want, it ticks me off when the do stupid stuff that effects me.

    Like I was telling my brother earlier there are stupid morons in the UK right now who want to reproduce the big bang theory underground, BUT it could form a black hole that could kill us all? what the hell? Why not take that excessive brain power and find us a cure for cancer and AIDS. Nope we want to destroy the only inhabitable planet in our solar system. this election is no different, we just like doing stuff just because we an and not for any real purpose. Judgement and Personal accountability means nothing anymore. the only reason I feel McCain might be a better choice is that McCain knows what he does and does not know and is not afraid to admit it. and will find someone to help him, but Obama…yeesh. his arrogance is extremely narcissistic however the vast majority of people won’t see that until it’s too late.

  • sowsear

    Too much money backing Backtrack. They won’t give up, gone too far.

  • Lochos Vestu

    Why are you still harping like a harpy on Hillary Clinton?

    Why don’t you instead hector the Republicans for their sexist attacks on Hillary the last 16 years? Please hector Mooselady and ask Palin why she did not speak out about the sexism that Hillary experienced when Palin was interviewed about it?

  • sayhay

    Hey Wait a freaking minute!!! Aren’t there women in the republican party that you should focus you outrage toward, or is Hillary so easy to pick-on that you MATTHEW find it irrisistable. Nevermind about what was your purpose, it was wrongheaded and it is still wrongheaded.

    Well for starters try K. B. Hutchison, Susan Collins, OKAY!!!!

    Oh BTW did any prominet repulican women come to Hillary’s defense? NO, becase they wanted BO to win.

    nuff said.

    sayhay

  • alexei

    Exactly.

  • lin

    Loyalty, the democrats had no loyalty towards Hillary and Bill Clinton a great sucsessful president. Now they want Hillary to save their ass, how arrogant can they be? Why don’t they ask Judas Richardson to help them or Pelosi? No, they want Hillary to scrap it out with Gov. Palin, well screw them they don’t deserve Hillary.

  • Republitarian-No-Troll

    Hey, Keith & Chris:

    AMFs! LOL.

    I am still inclined to go along with that poster (tillthen?) who says Boycott GE.

  • ritamary

    Well isn’t it interesting that they get rid of Obamaman and Tingle Leg just when they are absolutely sure that Hillary will not be able to make a comeback.

  • fif

    It’s having a ripple effect on the entire global economy. What would you propose?

  • Lochos Vestu

    Matthew Weaver, you are basically asking Hillary to commit political suicide. Are you that mad? I don’t see McCain talking about Bush’s smears back in 2000, and he stuck with the Repug Party. And when McCain “defended” Hillary, he spoke from a position of strength having definitely secured the Republican nomination.

    If Hillary does not appear to do the absolute minimum to remain looking like a loyal Democrat, she will be finished in 2012. What you are asking her to do will not make her look like a loyal Democrat, dumbass.

  • AnneinPA

    Watching the video I don’t see her OPINION as
    being a critisism of Hillary at all. Just her
    opinion which she has every right to express.
    She’s a Republican for heaven’s sake.

  • Firefly

    I have to admit I don’t know what Hillary should do.

    What I’d like her to do is #3 – but that’s me, knowing what I know – which ain’t much compared to what she’s gotta know from the inside.

    But I feel sure she knows all or most of the dirt on barky, even though the democrats made it impossible for her to use what her oppo team had found. She knows the republicans WILL use it and she knows barky’s going down.

    It’s what else she knows that we don’t know that makes it impossible for me to second-guess her actions.

    Bottom line: I trust Hillary to do what she thinks is best and I respect her enough to accept whatever she decides to do (or not do).

    All this probably makes no sense – just me sorta thinking “out loud,” I guess…

  • Diana

    They’re not getting rid of them, they’ll still have a later slot. They’re trying to suck up to McCain and Palin so they can get some interviews with them. The same as Murdoch did with FOX to get an Obama interview. There is no way Olberman or Mattews would get an interview with McCain or Palin, and who could blame them for not wanting to be interviewed by those two?

  • Lochos Vestu

    Put a sock in it, Troll!

  • sowsear

    Speaking of Palin fighting 30 dingoes to get Trig, have you read Dave Barry’s column after the RNC convention, saying that she attacked a grizzle bear killed and skinned it with a nailfile and her bare teeth.
    Barry also had a good one on Obama being the nominee of his party: …on Thursday night, will receive the nomination in long-due recognition of a distinguished career of seeking the nomination.

  • Danny

    The way I feel now is Hillary ended it with her speach at the convention for Obama and also when she stopped the vote on the floor and gave her delegates to the lying cheating Obama.

    If Hillary continues to fight for the Obama camp if she is entrenched and a frontline soldier for the man who beat the shit out of her verbally, and mentally in front of the nation if she goes back to him to help him win hoping he will change?!

    Hillary will have lost all support for ever running again.

    Does she then win by taking a place in his administration. A powerful posittion?

    I’m still going to vote for MCCAIN/PALIN because they have the right course laid out for Americans.

  • fif

    I don’t think it is as simple as “party loyalty.” I think Hillary’s loyalty is to the millions of people who have been grabbing her sleeve and pleading for Universal Health Care, veteran’s benefits, education, and mortgage help. She made it very clear in her suspension speech–she will keep fighting. She has spent almost 40 years fighting for women’s rights, and living it by example, walking through fire to blaze new trails. I don’t think she needs to do it on anyone else’s timetable. Hillary is both a pragmatist and a visionary. I trust her to know what she is doing. She has proven her leadership in this area.

  • dances

    Tritto.

  • fluffy bunny

    Notice that it is HIS campaign saying Hillary will fly around to help him in FL and other places. I don’t believe we’ve heard anything from the Clinton camp in confirmation, right?

  • Lochos Vestu

    Exactly! Get the damn GOP women to defend Hillary, Matthew Weaver!

  • Hope Floats

    Because God knows the Republicans should stand up for a woman who is no longer in the race and won’t run, if ever, until four years from now. RISE RISE
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  • Hillary Dem 4 Sarah

    You are really starting to get on my nerves. And I don’t trust you.

    Hillary has spoken out. No matter what she does, you’ll be back with another faux intellectual lecture on how she needs to do something more.

    Who are you anyway?

    Larry and Susan, be wary.

  • Diana

    hehehehe I didn’t realize he had any real positions. First he used all of Hillary’s, now he’s using all of McCain’s. These are going to be some of the most boring debates in history. “Yeah, what he said.”

  • sowsear

    I doubt McCain will be going to MSNBC anytime soon!!!Mayb e next century.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    I am sure James Clyburn was concerned about the clinton legacy too when he kept bringing up the race card.

  • Lochos Vestu

    Exactly. Matthew Weaver has absolutely no clue that what he is asking Hillary to do is political suicide.

  • vi

    You know Hillary has had a record for doing the work of the people, and who is to say that McCain will not offer her a position on his cabinet, since he stated he wanted the best to be on board no mater of party, and we all know that Hill works well with McCain , He has said it more than once, she is very experienced and why not give her a place where she can work to do the will of the people, if not then as a Hill supporter i will then support no matter what she chooses to do, as for speaking out , she already has and I agree it is up to Hill, hopefully she will not do anything other than a speech for O, she owes him and the DNC nada.
    As for Keith and mathews, the love affair has been punished , for a minute there i did not see anyone other than these to bullys making a case for a sorry but characters of praising sexism, I had lost all respect for Msncb I saw them as a nasty tabloid with a news agency creditnials , it was a joke and they deserve the backlash , and more. Welcome to NQ we are Hills supporters but choose not to support O , I own my vote McCAin Palin 2008

  • fif

    As her supporters we’ve been far more willing to challenge this hate and say no.

    How can you compare supporters’ role with Hillary’s? It’s absurd. People who make this argument are naive. Is Hillary going to be effective in any capacity if she becomes a kamikaze? The situation is so incendiary right now, it would be throwing gasoline on the fire, and the backlash against her would be atrocious.

  • SensibleWomanNOTforBO

    Matthew, I can understand your viewpoint on this, but somehow I believe Hillary will come out on top regardless.

    Could it be she just has to lay low and wait for the perfect moment to slide in there with just the perfectly balanced…?

    I say let her handle it. She knows a lot of the things going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about.

    I trust her judgement (I see her decision to stay with Bill as one not only for the sake of her and Bill’s marriage and her daughter’s sake, but also for that which she obviously realizes she’s called to do for other people. Together they STILL accomplish more as well as STILL love each other dearly).

    IMHO, she did her job of alerting us months ago, and has done all she can humanly do for the time being. We can take it from here and I don’t mind doing so with my vote. It’s the most powerful weapon against all the nasty shenanigans I’ve got.

    With all due respect to your viewpoint, she has already LED us and now it’s up to us until she has just the right opportunity to do or say something that will be beneficial to the whole of us as a country (remember she cares enough to be there when even some of those that originally oppose her come to realize they probably shouldn’t have done so because she opposes policies, not people and that’s how she reaches across the aisle), not just herself or a few of us.

  • fluffy bunny

    Actually, it’s a chance for us to offer advice if any of her staffers are looking…..I have recommended that she sprain an ankle on vacation and thus be unable to travel.

    Yeah, I’m a chick so I’m a little confrontation averse (thus not a politician).

    BUT it is my opinion that Obama’s people are trying to force her to campaign for him lest she lose standing in the party. If she doesn’t have “health issues” she will be accused of lying if she doesn’t hit the trail for him, based only on press releases from his campaign.

    It would certainly be gratifying (for me) to have her stand up and shout a hearty GO FORNICATE WITH YOURSELF, it would ruin her future in politics for sure.

  • sowsear

    Palin also said her family is glad that Bristol chooses to have her baby. (Can’t give a link however, sorry)

  • Lochos Vestu

    ABSOLUTELY WORST POST EVER!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    Hopefully you wont make another misplaced 3:00 am moment post entitled Where is Clinton Part 3.

    I think we have all had enough of this misplaced idealism where you ask Hillary to drop on her sword

    If it bothers you that much, get off the computer and go to every obama rally with signs and a bullhorn demanding they stop the sexism.

  • Obama is a bum

    Obama is toxic — he came out of the far left radical wing of Chicago sleaze, is inept, and has too many question marks. If Clinton wants to help the country, her party, and herself she should demonstrate the courage and leadership to do so. Disagree with Obama and don’t blindly support him. The reason I think she has avoided doing this is that she is afraid of getting the black voters mad. Real leadership means taking on the black voters as well when they are wrong. The blacks are wrong for flocking to Obama at over 90% against Clinton and 99% against McCain. One cannot operate on the assumption that they are afraid to hurt the feelings of the black voters when they are wrong.

    The race card has been played with great success over the past 40 years to a point where many are so terrified of being called racist is that they cave in and don’t challenge it. Unless people develop a backbone to call others out on the race card this silliness will continue to spin out of control.

  • Lochos Vestu

    Exactly! *boiling with anger at the stupidity of this post*

  • Kiki17

    I feel the same way I did when I read it the other day, this is NOT her 3AM moment!

  • Danny

    It would be fabulous to see Hillary Clinton working with a McCain Administration to get things done.

    bitches get things done” ~Tina Fey

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wrightopolis

    Second Worst.

    You missed the Original tripe that was posted by him entitled Where is Clinton Part 1.

    He basicly reahashed the same shit here.

  • Lochos Vestu

    This post has as much relevance as a post on “Where is Carmen Sandiego?”

    ABSOLUTELY WORST POST EVER!

  • sowsear

    Obama now says the surge is working beyond our wildest dreams.

  • mimi

    Another Yawn.

    I see you didn’t learn a thing from your last post. How are you different from the nutjob Botheads who do the same thing?

  • AnneinPA

    They know now he will self destruct. Before, they thought he would. Let them sit back in their Democratic chairs and pretend they give a
    crap aboout O. When they (HRC and Gerri) step
    into the voting booth they’ll be gleefully adding their vote to ours for Mccain/Palin.

  • fluffy bunny

    The downticket races become much more frightening in light of those numbers……

    any Senate races close enough to go down because of Obama?

  • Obama is a bum

    Well said.

  • AnneinPA

    I’m with you Jere.!

  • sowsear

    I also saw the Palin comment debunked to some degree, but I can’t remember where either. Was a couple of days ago.

  • Lochos Vestu

    Yes, I know, I was commenting vehemently the last time this trash appeared.

  • joanna4McPalin

    Who are we kidding? Bill, Hillary and Chelsea will vote McPalin when they go into the voting booth.

    Maybe Biden will do the same. After all, wasn’t it Biden & Hillary who said Obama is not ready to be prez. Now they are saying he IS ready…so which time were they telling the truth??? I think we know!

    If Hillary starts attacking Palin, McCain will not put her in his cabinet.

    Voting McPalin

  • athena

    Their governor with approval ratings in the high 80%!!!! Oh to see that!

  • yttik

    If I were Hillary, which I’m not, I would not have stepped forward to defend Palin against the sexism. No, I’d campaign for Obama, but I’d not go out and clean up the mess the Dems are making. The sexist mess they can’t seem to stop spewing all over the place. Absolutely not. I’m not going to fix it for you people. You did it, you go apologize for it. You go stand against it.

  • athena

    Are you fucking kidding me?!!!

  • OBushMA!

    Quadritto?

  • no vote for Oblabla

    Obammunist is a sinking ship and I sincerely hope that Hillary stay as far away from him as possible so she is not connected to him in any way. This way her road to the 2012 White House doesn’t have any kind of obstructions over his baggage.

    I’m convinced that if the Obammunist wins in November (totally doubt it) he’s going to dump Hillary as soon as he’s crowned King Messiah. He and MEEEchelle have so much hate for Hillary there’s no way he/they’ll involve her at all IMO. He’s already said MEEEchelle would be his closest adviser. I’m more positive that McCain would bring her in his administration than TheOne would.

  • mimi

    I’m gagging from this news.

    This is 0bama’s way of apologizing for playing the race card.

    I bet they go to Sylvia’s for a bite. Show the AA community that, “see Bill’s not racist, he’s my homeboy.”

    UGH!

    Now this does annoy me more than Hillary doing what she promised to, campaign for the ticket. Bill should make 0bama apologize out loud.

    I may hang around the office building so I can shout: “Hey Barky! Why ya need a racist to campaign for you?

    Yeah, I just might do that. Depends on how much trouble I care to get into on Thursday.

  • kinthenorthwest

    Hillary needs to stay as far away as possible so she will not be any where near Obama when the whole Obama/DNC mess implode.

  • mimi

    Many days late and the best candidate short!

  • Mandelay

    Great! I am very glad to hear that. It does not affect my support for Palin and her right to be on McCain’s ticket without having to “explain/excuse herself.” I believe women’s rights should be for all women, not just “women on the left.”

  • Mandelay

    Lovely, thanks for clarifying this …. much appreciated!

  • Andy Lewis

    Fifto.

  • Mr. Natural

    “Who you jivin with that Kosmic Debris?”

    I said McCain has just gone up…

    And your OBama has just gone down!

  • OBushMA!

    My wish is for her to go independent and win this election, but that is my daydream. I won’t and can’t force it on her. She believes in her party, even when it vilifies her. In the 90′s she was branded a power-hungry witch by the likes of Newt Gingrich. A power-hungry witch would not have lost the nomination. Indeed, she has acted almost as a living example of Christian ideals. She turned the other cheeks and did not stoop to her enemies’ level. Her campaign theme was how she hoped to help the people of this country and not preaching to them how she knows what was best for them. Humility has become her message. So I have no doubt she will not join the personal attacks aimed at Palin, for Hillary will follow the Golden Rule in her fight with the Republicans in the next two months and prove once again her worth as a party elder who understands the principles of the Party.

  • Thinker

    Sixto

  • red_sleeves

    Hillary is screwed… if Obama loses she will be scapegoated. If he wins she will be ostracized.

    With that in mind, McCain keeps talking about staffing his administration with the best people, without regard to their party affiliation, what are the odds that Hillary would accept such a position?

  • Mr. Natural

    Obama said he had spoken to Paulson for 45 minutes on Saturday about what Treasury was about to do

    i.e., he spent 44 minutes on hold.

  • Donkey Brazziere

    Whatta Blowhard.

  • Mr. Natural

    I’m sorry. I forgot that I was speaking about the self-appointed chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

  • Donkey Brazziere

    Matthew that is…

  • pal3

    Do yall seriously believe that America is going to elect a 65 old female president in 2012?
    It is now or never.

    I work with older females in their late 50′s…not to be mean, but I’m pretty sure their mind isn’t at sharp as it use to be. That just come with age. I only vote for McCain because Palin is VP.

  • Dhyana

    This is bs. Hillary will run in 2012 and whatever happens to Obama will have no impact on Hillary. The DNC carried Obama over the threshold and he accepted the nomination. It’s his candidacy. Hillary has been sidelined and any misogyny against Palin it’s her battle to fight. Hillary is a politician, not a feminist defender. The Republicans are doing a great job defending their candidate. Good for them. The Democrats looked the other way because the attacks helped their chosen one. Woo on them. I’m keeping score.

  • mimi

    Matthew,

    Stop this!

    You’re getting on my nerves.

    You are stirring a pot that doesn’t need to be stirred.

    You are also willfully ignoring some pretty good comments here. Like how Palin didn’t defend Hillary and even said she was whining. To be fair, you should assail Palin as well.

    But you are fooling no one with your hidden agenda.

    It’s not so much that you want Hillary to speak up on behalf of Palin, you want her to speak out against 0bama. Any kind of comments vociferally defending Palin by Hillary will be spun as anti-0bama by the anti-Hillary out-of-control msm.

    We all in our daydreams would love Hillary to hold a press conference and speak out against him.

    But that is completely unrealistic, not to mention naive.

    Hillary’s biding her time. She’s not going to commit political suicide just to appease the impatient few. There’s nothing to be gained by her doing this. And everything to lose. Not just for Hillary, but for us as well.

    A great victory was scored tonight with the demotion of Olberman and Matthews. We should be breaking out the champagne and celebrating. Instead, you are beating this very dead horse.

    Once and for all, let it go!

  • Thinker

    I know right?

    He didn’t get it right the first time, now he’s making a remix of an awful blog.

    It’s kind of like trying to add extra stuff to an awful dish, trying to make it edible, but no matter what you do to it, it still tastes bad.

    Once again, just like the majority of the posters told him the last time:

    Hillary released a statement condemning the sexist attacks and that’s all she needs to do. We also reminded him that the GOP women did not hold a press conference about the sexism aimed at her.

    Hillary is not a superwoman, Palin has a whole entire party to fight for her.

  • rokitty

    Hillary is between a rock and hard place now.
    I just heard that she is being threatened if she does not campaign for Obama. If (they) should decide she is not doing enough for Obama. She will be strip of her senate committee’s. Can you
    believe that bull.

  • Ken in IL

    BO ought to get Mike Gravel out for him too!

  • fluffy bunny

    Yep, totally agree that she should not campaign for Obama or join his team in any way. Doing so will definitely damage her political future.

  • fluffy bunny

    She needs to keep her senate seat and depose Harry Reid of his leadership position. That guy is a major embarrassment.

  • frenchman47

    Well, this here sure is a crazy topic and some crazy discussions regarding the topic.

    In case people have somehow ‘forgotten’ Hillary Clinton was a founding member of the Children’s Fund and has brought women’s issues to the forefront for more than 30 years. She sustained a withering attack on her person-hood not only by the media but by members of her own Party of which there wouldn’t even be one were it not for she and Bill Clinton.

    Geraldine Ferraro is the Only Democrat who took on Obama for the rampant sexism that floated out of his big mouth and that of his staffers. Ed Rendel and others might have stood up for Hillary but they didn’t address or condemn the sexist comments made about her.

    Hillary Clinton has done more for children and for women than any other person in this country. Now, for some reason there are ‘folks’ here who seem to think she needs to prove to us that she’s a feminist by attacking those who would attack Sarah Palin. It’s NOT HER JOB.

    For those who might have also forgotten, Hillary Clinton is a SITTING Democratic Senator of New York. She cannot just wily nily throw herself on her (or would that be your) sword to ‘prove’ that she has a problem with sexism. She is stuck playing within the confines of the Democratic Party; and no, she’s not going to desert the Democratic principles she and Bill Clinton have spent their entire adult lives fighting on behalf of and run as an independent in 2012. Such being the case, IF Hillary Clinton were to shout “SEXISM” from the Empire State Building, the media will simply make out like she’s piggy-backing off Sarah Palin’s new found celebrity-hood or that she’s ‘injecting herself into the race.’

    Clinton has made it very clear that she intends to take no part in the misogyny/sexism that the Obama camp is heaping on Palin. To do any more than that at this juncture is to commit political suicide if she wants to remain a Democrat which she certainly does. I fully expect that Hillary Clinton will discuss the issue After the election. Until then, do some of you really think she needs to ‘fall on her sword’ at this particular juncture and if so, ask yourself why; and do you really think it would make a difference or add to ‘the cause?’

    The answer is NO IT WON’T. Hillary and Bill Clinton did more to advance the lives of African Americans in this country than anyone had since Martin Luther King and they did so their entire adult lives – you see where that got them. Do you really think it’d be any different if Hillary made More public statements against sexism?? This One time you want her to ‘stand up.’ She’s been doing it for 30+ years Already and will continue to do so no doubt to her dying breath…………..but some of you think she ‘needs’ or ‘should’ stand up this week. You’re crazy; it won’t do her any good, it won’t do Palin any good and it won’t do the ’cause’ any good; it’ll just lead to another round of Clinton bashing.

  • mimi

    Trouble in Paradise?

    Love it!

    I resent the criticism of Charles Gibson. That debate with him and Stephanopolus was the only one that demanded anything from ∅bama. And it was about time. All the other so-called journalists were practically fellating him. And yes, it was obscene.

    Gibson is more thoughtful than the others. He’s not trying to be the story or trying to make the news. He got this job at the end of his career after being passed over and he has nothing to prove. He’s already retired once and can do it again when he’s fed up. The others all think the news is about them, only Wolf Blitzer, who comes off as some kind of automaton or a maybe a cyborg. Blitzer is a run-on sentence who seldom breathes. He thinks this makes him look fair but the bias like water, seeks its own level. It just takes you longer to process in your brain all those words he spits out. And Anderson Cooper tore his ass with me this Election cycle. I’m finished with him.

    I read the comments on that blog and they’re like the veritble rats deserting a sinking ship. But I knew they were that all along.

    But that’s typical of the mindset and the age group. Sooner or later ∅bama’s cool was going to turn to drool and the kids would abandon him in droves to the next new/big thing and/or happening. Kim Kardashian will be shaking her booty-licious on Dancing with the Stars in 2 weeks. At this rate, 0bama won’t stand a chance until she’s eliminated. If things get any worse, he’ll be lucky if any of them show on Election Day to vote. Something tells me a lot of down-ticket Dems are gonna get screwed.

    Serves the Party right. They coulda had a contender!

    They coulda had Hillary!

  • elise

    I’m really baffled by these two posts about Hillary. Larry Johnson posted right after the convention (not sure when and can’t find the post) this site welcomed opinions from Obama, McCain and third party supporters.

    Both of these posts demanding Hillary speak out against the sexism against Gov. Palin include threats of dire consequences to her political future, if she doesn’t do what Matthew Weaver has decided she should do and how he will change his opinion of her if he decides she hasn’t done enough.

    Now, more that two weeks after the Democratic Convention ended, these posts appear and though Mr. Weaver says they are not attacking Hillary, I feel they are attacking Hillary. And I am asking myself, why? Why is Hillary being pulled back into a fight with her party, the media, Obama and McCain?

    When I’m puzzling about something, I like to draw a flow chart in my mind. Socrates used questions to guide his students so they would find the answers for themselves, so I ask myself questions and look for logical answers. Here are some I have asked myself since reading these posts and the comments:

    i)Is Mathew’s concern for the sexist remarks made about Gov. Palin real?

    ii)Is his concern for Hillary’s political future genuine?

    iii)How many times have I seen him on noquarter defending Hillary?

    iv)How many times have I seen him post anything on noquarter?

    v)What were the subjects of the other posts?

    vi)If his concern is not real, what is the purpose and who benefits from the attack?

    From the bottom up; I don’t know on (vi). I know who doesn’t benefit and that is Hillary and for the same reasons so many of you have stated better than I. Does John McCain and the Republican party gain anything from Hillary’s supporters demanding she put herself out there anymore than she has?

    As a practical matter, McCain might receive more votes from Hillary supporters, if she made it clear she is going to jump in with both feet and fight the Democrats over the sexist remarks coming from Obama’s campaign and the left wing blogger. Everyone should be aware of the downside to that for any future power in the party. If she has no power, she will never accomplish anything more in politics. And how many votes will change?

    On the other hand, anything which damages Hillary, benefits the anti-Clinton elements in the party and Obama.

    On(iv & v), I have seen his name on posts here, but I don’t know how many times. The posts I remember most clearly were about Techdude and Texasdarlin. They challenged the veracity of those two bloggers on the forged COLB on dailykos. Does anyone remember anything more, because those did not mention Hillary?

    On(iii)I don’t remember him posting comments in support of Hillary, only critical of Obama. Of course, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    On(i & ii),IMO, the answer is no and this is why; There have been a few martyrs in the history of the world and, for the most part, their causes have been good and they are remembered with love. Whether they died by hanging, on a cross, stoning, at the stake or shot down while standing on a baloney, their work was done and their legacy lived on. So, if Hillary calls a press conference, goes on Meet The Press or in any other venue and offers her political career on the altar of martyrdom will she accomplish any long term goal in fighting misogyny, keeping in mind it will close every other avenue which may be open in her future?

    I don’t know anything about Matthew Weaver. I don’t know the extent of his commitment to women’s rights. From the comments on both of these posts it is clear most of those who have been here on noquarter for months and have proven their loyalty to Hillary share the opinion this would contribute nothing to the women’s movement and would undermine Hillary’s future ability to make a difference.It would put her smack in the middle of the maelstrom. IMO he doesn’t care about Hillary’s future or Gov. Palin beyond his agenda to help McCain win and that seems selfish to me.

  • VMorris

    Sevento

  • VMorris

    I hope Big Dawg punches Obambi in the face.

  • ritamary

    Hillary is a very smart and successful politician. She knows Obama is already self-destructing. It is not her job to intervene to defend the Republican candidate for vice-president as you Matthew are demanding. Nor is it her job to spend all her time campaigning for Obama. Hillary should maintain a low profile.

    Once the election is over the Obots will be searching for someone to blame for Obama’s loss. They will try to blame anyone but him. I can picture it now.

    Certainly the number one excuse the Obots will use is racism. And the second excuse will be that Hillary did not give him enough support. So Hillary should not give him any ammunition to throw at her.

    Hasn’t Hillary already said her schedule is full with campaign appearances for Senate candidates? This a perfectly legitimate reason why she cannot spend more time campaigning for Obama.

  • mimi

    Kathleen,

    Thank you.

    Anyone who doesn’t realize that it was simply a carpe diem moment for the GOP is hopelessly naive.

    McCain had the advantage because the Repub Convention fell behind the Dems. He simply waited 0bama out to see if 0bama would have the guts to make Hillary the VP choice. And 0bama, idiot that he is, punked himself and chose Biden swearing that he had scored a coup. He got sucked down with that internal polling McCain was doing for Ridge and Lieberman, in particular, for his VP.

    Had 0bama chosen Hillary, McCain would have faced a very tough moment regarding his choice. He would have had to decide if he was going to defy the Party and go with whom he wanted or pick Romney or even Huckabee.

    But make no mistake, Palin was a very dark horse in this, a long shot. There’s no way, McCain would have put Palin in the same ring as Hillary. He knows Hillary is on top of what’s going on worldwide even without executive experience. Face it, Hillary had the advantage of knowing pretty much what Bill knows, just like any First Lady along with doing her own research as a Senator. The difference is, she has the mindset to understand what the info really means.

  • VMorris

    Hillary is not running anymore.
    Leave her the fuck out of it!

    DITTO!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.hillarygreenmountain.org CarlaforHillary

    So well said, Frenchman 47.

    Hillary deserves better than people expecting her to do something according to their timetable.

    Hillary will address the issue of sexism in the campaign when the time is right.

    If she does it now, it will be political suicide. End of story.

    Don’t buy into what Obama and McCain want you to do-Blame Hillary.

    In order for Hillary to put herself in a position where she can run again in 2012, (and that is what we all want right? Because she is the most qualified candidate, right?) she has to campaign for Obama. That’s what politicians do.

    Before this campaign, Hillary was not exactly loved by feminists. They didn’t like her for not leaving Bill.

    Palin called Hillary a whiner. This is not Hillary’s 3 a.m. moment and her legacy is this:

    18 million cracks in the ceiling exist because of Hillary Clinton.

    She has done enough and I’ve had enough of people expecting Hillary do backflips at their bequest. She is not a dog.

    I campaigned out in the real world heavy for Hillary, no one worked harder and then Hillary. (I’m repeating myself here) deserves so much more than this type of blog.

  • TeakwoodKite

    The term “useful idiot” comes to mind.

  • http://www.hillarygreenmountain.org CarlaforHillary

    Yes, ritamary, in the NY times article about Hillary campaigning for Obama, she did say her schedule is full.

    She is campaigning for Senate candidates. She needs people on her side in the Senate, and so she is campaigning for people who will help her out later.

    Hillary knows what to do.

  • DanO

    I completely agree.. if she is used as Barry’s attack dog i’m going to be very upset with her. Time to let BO sleep in the bed he mad.

  • Monet

    Whether Senator Obama wins or loses in November, I think Senator Clinton has hurt herself politically by supporting him. She’s saved herself within the DNC (at least for now), but if it is determined Senator Obama has dual citizenship and is ineligible for office or he’s elected and does as well in the White House as he did as a community organizer or state senator, the fall out will hit Senator Clinton. When she runs again, there will be ad after ad of her speech last month endorsing Senator Obama. Just like the Democrats are currently using President Bush against Senator McCain.

    About her only way out of this is to come forward, show disgust for the campaign of hate and then distance herself from it. It’s not going to help her in the Senate with other Democrats, especially if Senator Obama is elected. But it shows courage and Americans like to see courage in a candidate. Not a candidate who endorsed a dud in one election because of party loyalty and then in a later election tries to distance herself from that candidate.

    An example is Senator McCain. He’s fighting the image that he’s a third term Bush because he played ball with Bush to get another chance at the White House. Senator McCain has made some wonderful strategic moves since May, but he wouldn’t be leading in the polls right now if he was running against anyone other than Senator Obama.

    I think you’re right this is Senator Clinton’s 3am moment. I don’t think continuing on the path she has since June is going to help her in the future. But then again, I only play a political strategist on the internet. A college minor in Poli. Sci doesn’t make me an expert, even if I stay in a Holiday Inn Express tomorrow night. But I do believe endorsing and campaigning for Senator Obama will come back to bite her. Especially if Governor Palin’s star doesn’t dim and Senator Clinton ends up running against her. The only way I see for her out of the mess is to vocally distance herself now, before Senator Obama crashes.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard “Barracuda” Nedich

    mathew weaver,

    what is the point of posting this yet again?

    what exactly has the world gained by repeating your first blog?

    just curious…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • PuppyDogMom

    Umptidilidilio….

    It’s Barack’s 3 a.m. moment and he’s not answering the phone.

  • Mary

    Feinstein didn’t go to Denver because of a sprained ankle, so Hillary can’t use that one.

    She should have a ‘family emergency’ — perhaps Chelsea needs her mom’s undivided attention for a few days. Remind us that she too is a working Mom and since Barry is a MAN, that he can go to Florida since he has Michelle to take care of the kids. LOL

  • LogicallySpeaking

    ugh.

  • LogicallySpeaking

    I see you republicans on this website are already taking Hillary out of the race with the ageism attacks for 2012. Wow, who knew they would start already.

  • NomNomNom

    WTF has happened to this site? First you post an article that goes off on a freaking tirade about how Clinton should support a candidate from another party and now this crap.
    Jeebus if I see any more of this stupid sh#t, I’m not going to be coming back.
    I never thought wingnuts could be such a turn on for formerly sane people. Put it back in your pants already.

  • cpl

    Hillary trashed herself by endorsing and campaigning for the trash man himself. Believe it or not, Hillary has lost it and there will not be a come back for her, certainly not as a candidate for the presidency.

  • MaryPat

    Well done. Thank you so much–couldn’t have said it better myself. But that won’t stop me from trying!

    I find the argument that no one stood up for Hillary, so why should she now stand up for Palin, really offensive. It’s petty, spiteful, partisan politics at its worst. It’s Barack Obama’s kind of politics. I don’t want a “leader” who takes the attitude that that since he or she had to suffer, everyone else should, too. Not when that person has the bonafides to speak up and make a positive difference. This is about taking the high road, advocating for principles that are more important than political positioning for the future. Or it should be, anyway.

    The very people who are purporting to defend Hillary are actually the ones who are selling her short. Far too many Hillbots are arguing that she should stay silent and fall in line so as not to jeopardize her own political prospects. Why are you all so reluctant, so afraid, to ask more of her? You don’t think she has the requisite courage to do the right thing by denouncing sexism wherever and whenever it occurs? Well, I think she does. What Dems and liberals–in the MSM and elsewhere–are doing to Sarah Palin is just plain wrong. And Hillary is uniquely qualified to step up and call them on it. She knows firsthand what Palin is experiencing.

    Don’t you understand why we end up with such sorry so-called leadership in this country? Because we don’t expect anything from them. We don’t demand that they give us their best. If you believe Hillary has the strength and character to lead this nation, then you should certainly believe that she can meet this challenge and come out the stronger for it. To hell with Obama, Dean, Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic Party. They have no idea what true leadership is, or how much the American electorate craves it.

  • Perry Logan

    Since the Republicans have nominated McCain, it seems illogical to say they’re the ones playing the age card around here. ;-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyrMS6MBuSg

  • Kal

    Hillary does not have to stoop to the level of the Obama gang. If she chooses to keep doing what she thinks is most important to her — supporting positive downticket dems — and staying out of the mess, then that is what I support.

    Americans know that this mess exists because of what BO did to her. Others should be picking up the cry for justice, not leaving it to her to be out in front on this.

  • Julia

    “Political Correctness (PC) neutered everyone such that Obama and his followers could run amok. People in the Democratic Party were conditioned to avoid saying or doing anything that might offend someone. Hopefully that is a lesson learned. The Republicans learned it well watching Clinton get savaged in the primaries. When Obama tried to then play the race card on them they shoved it back in his face and now no one talks about race anymore”

    Do you really think that one person gets the same strength and possibilities that the republican party? McCain learnt very well that lesson, it’s no possible to fight against your own party.Why do you expect Hillary works wonders? She’s only a STRONG Great Woman.

  • goldengrahme

    Well, I am far down the patch here on this thread and probably won’t be read, but the incongruity of the M. Weaver post leaves me baffled. Like so many others. Is he just filling up blog time? Is he lobbying for his own niche in cyberspace? Is he a closet man-firster? hmmmmm

    In any event, my advice to Hillary: Hill, there
    is no longer a viable Democratic Party, dear. I
    quit the minute you withdrew from contention as did
    hundreds, if not thousands, of my fellow comrads.

    You are wasting your time defending both the Party and the chosen candidate, Obama. Time to admit it and move on. Though I detest Joe Lieberman, he did make a move toward independent judgment–as flawed and hypocritical as his reasons were.

    Start your own party. You have GOOD reasons to do so, a grass-roots base eager to lend support–and you would be doing our beloved country a great service.

    You can finally break the stranglehold Dems and Pubs have on the electoral process and our society.
    We are truly sick of corruption hidden behind an illusion-of-democracy-business-as-usual gambit served up every election cycle.

    You could usher in an era of true reform and a real reawakening in Middle America. You could galvanize the disenchanted, disaffected American electorate.

    And perhaps save the world. We women like to be
    challenged. We don need no stinkin media either.
    We can think for ourselves! The brain/mind is
    the seat of the soul: our brain is the hardware, the mind the software feeding both our rational and spiritual self. You go girl!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    You have been read. You are not alone.

  • ekg

    I think Hillary’s loyalty is to the millions of people who have been grabbing her sleeve and pleading for Universal Health Care, veteran’s benefits, education, and mortgage help. She made it very clear in her suspension speech–she will keep fighting. She has spent almost 40 years fighting for women’s rights,…

    Exactly. So why would any one of her 18 million just give their vote to the party that is anti everything she stands for?

    think of this. If McCain/Palin win they will be the incumbents in 2012.. It is extremely hard to beat an incumbent..on top of that, what if she can’t get the support she got this time around because too many ppl feel that she didn’t do enough for BHO or just b/c you don’t see someone that big running twice (look at Al Gore)

    conversely, if BHO gets elected and has his 8 year run, what about Biden? You think Joe Biden will just step away and say “ok Hil, it’s your turn” No, he’ll run for POTUS himself..maybe..maybe he’ll pick her for a VP, but that’s not a sure bet either.

    This race and her chance are over. There is no scenario that she will be POTUS…The only thing she can do now is get on the right committees and become the most powerful woman in Congress. while that’s not POTUS, it is a pretty damn good prospect for her to get idea’s passed into law. but she will need the support of the DNC to do it…she will need the support of a friendly POTUS to do it.

    BHO took her chance of being POTUS away from her but she still has some political life…but you guys voting McCain/Palin take that away from her. The media blamed her for staying in the race and dividing the party, we know that was BS…but by voting for McCain/Palin..the party that is not for women’s rights, not for uni-health care,vet benefits and education you will prove the media right and the DNC and all of history will blame her….

    it’s time to shit or get off the pot. ..her legacy rests in your hands now…what are you going to do with it? With your help she can come out from this with all of her power and influence intact and go on to be the most powerful voice in Congress…….. or with your help she can be hobbled and put out to pastor.

    You really think the DNC will help her in her re-election for her senate seat? You think McCain or Palin will help her when she runs for reelection?

    Don’t you think an Obama/Biden Oval Office is more help to her when she’s up for re-election in NY?

    You guys with your BHO-hate… you are going to kill her political life and our chance of her goals out of spite.. A Washington with a powerful Clinton in it is better than a Washington with no Clinton at all.

  • http://theindependentview.com/?p=178 The Independent View » Blog Archive » Where is Hillary Clinton? (Updated)

    [...] September 7, 2008, My above post was published in NoQuarterUSA, a follow-on post, below, was published Monday [...]

  • Leisa

    Matthew,

    Are you saying it is her 3:00am moment because her political future depends on her saying what she should have said during the primaries?

    I agree that she needs to find a way to stay away from Obama and the corruption that surrounds him. She has more inside knowledge than we do, so I do think the truth will come out, she just has to be careful about how she delivers it.

    Obama used the Republican talking points about her and inflamed divisive fires of hate in our party. I think there is no easy solution for her.

    Governor Palin and Senator Clinton have been in different sets of circumstances. When Palin came on the scene, I thought, damn, I wish Hillary could have said these things.

    It is hard for me to hear Hillary encourage people to vote for Obama. That makes me feel as if I am being lied to. Then I realize that she is committed to the ideals of the former Democratic Party and so she is fighting for that.

    I, for one, will not condone the actions of the party leaders. The idea of Obama inspired corrupt, hateful and divisive politics. It is just amazing to me that many believe that Hillary was worse than Obama, that is how good Team Obama were at the Rove game of accusing others of doing what you do…

    I am giving Hillary time. But she will never convince me to vote for Obama, a man that accepted a nomination “earned” through dubious means.

  • LBz

    This is perhaps the most brilliant analysis of the state of things I’ve read all year. It is shocking, but it also rings true — especially the observation that political correctness muzzled opposition to Obama during the Democratic primaries, but has been turned on its ear in the GE.

    Really terrific analysis.

  • Sassy

    Matthew,
    I agree that this is a weighty topic, and is difficult. I did not take your post as a criticism of Senator Clinton.
    While I certainly see that she faces a dillemia, she still has MY support.
    Not true for the rest of my family though…they were in the “fight” with her and now feel that she sold out the voters to benefit the party.

  • Monet

    I agree. If the current DNC leadership is going to be ousted, now is the 3am call for the DNC members who are going to oust them. So far, no one is doing it. They’re all firmly seated on the Senator Obama bandwagon to keep the campaign funds flowing in from the DNC and their committee chairs and seats.

    How many are going to hit the airwaves on November 5th insisting they really didn’t support Senator Obama, the caucus fraud, sexism, Dean, Brazile and Pelosi? That’s a little late as far as I’m concerned. Waiting for the wind to change instead of taking the helm in the middle of the storm and saying “No, I won’t support what the DNC has done and is doing” isn’t leadership I can count on to bring the ship safely into port. If a handful of people can coerce the entire party into compliance without anyone in Congress standing up and fighting it, just how can we count on them to stand up for us in Congress or against the next faction that attempts to take over the DNC?

  • VMorris

    What Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright said.

    Leave Hillary alone. The mess the Democrats are in not IS NOT HILLARY CLINTON’S FAULT and it is not her job to clean up the mess the DNC created this year. Hillry fought the good fight for ALL women, not just Democrats, progressives, liberals, etc.

    Hillary owes nothing to Obama, the DNC, Sarah Palin or McCain. Sarah can take care of herself, especially with the complete support of the RNC behind her. Hillary’s own party keep throwing her under the bus, and then expects to pull her out from under it to save Hopium Bus Express as the wheels are coming off and it heads for a cliff.

    Through no fault of Hillary’s, the Democrats have found a way to lose another Presidential election, a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    I think this article stinks. Another Hopium addict setting the stage to blame Hillary for the Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Dean ineptness. Obama had the entire media and at least 1/2 of the Democratic Party in his pocket. That he managed to squander this advantage all on his own is shocking.

    Hillary was right: Obama is not ready to lead.

  • navyvet48

    Hillary in 2012….is at question here. Obam and his lot have ruined the relationship between Hillary, Bill and the AAs. She is going to have a difficult getting re-elected to the Senate, mark my words. Obama has divided the party to such a point it will never be fixed…..and pols like Hillary will have a difficult time being re-elected no matter what she does. Obama and the goonsquad destroyed Hillary’s reputation, to what degree we won’t know until 2012.

    Dispatching to Hillary to Florida to get the low educated vote is just as horrible as it sounds. These voters will see through the BS and never accept what she has to say! She has to stop doing his work, it is up to Obama to get that demographic voter group, not her!

    To the comment above we don’t for the most part hate Obama, we hate what he has done to our America. We hate the cheating in the caucus states. We hate his associations…..we hate the party leadership for hoisting such a petard on us by cheating.

    And if this had been a real primary season not a “surreal” primary season, Hillary would be our nominee! Nothing that Obama and his goon squad came out of the Rove book, the Democratic Party has been heading in this direction for quite awhile. They are money hounds and nothing more!

    They are mean spirited (the young kids…..that has nothing to do with the party but the slipping of discipline at home, a gimme gimme gimme generation has been raised, we are now feeling the effects of that), there is no central theme to the party anymore (anarchy and chaos), and the party leadership is just plain lousy….ie Congressional Approval rating of 17%, with Bush climbing into the 30s.

    If I were Hillary I would throw myself on Damocles sword and say no! No more….Democrats are spewing against each other here in the Heartland. Chaos Party the new Democratic Party! it abounds!

  • K. Wynne

    Matthew,

    It’s time for obama to show some leadership! He’s the one who won the nomination. He’s the anointed one; he’s the one who said he would get Hillary’s supporters, but she wouldn’t get his; he’s the one who stayed quiet while she was being viscerally attacked.

    Payback’s a bitch and it’s time you guys suck it up and accept the “responsibility” that goes along with leadership. It’s not just all pomp and circumstances and being worshiped by supporters and the media, it’s exactly as Hillary said it was — HARD WORK.

    Perhaps, that obama’s problem. He’s never worked hard for anything.

  • dee4hill

    Hillary is only doing what she HAS to do. Look at what they did to her during the primaries. Everyone KNOWS she won the contest. The reason why Barry is sinking so quickly now is because he was already going down the slope during the primaries. His continuing slide in the current polls is only an extension of that. The trend was clearly favoring Hillary during the latter part of the primaries. Yet, the DNC “awarded” the prize to Barky.

    Hillary and Bill Clinton are beloved by true Democrats, but if they don’t at least act like they’re going along with the thugs, they will make sure she never holds a political office again. This is bigger than Hill and Bill… or really, even the voters. It’s “the powers that be” in control for now. The only salvation for the party is if Barky’s defeated in November. THEN we (the voters) can kick all the bums out and hopefully revive our party.

    Let her do what she has to do. If it gives her even a slim chance of coming back, I’m behind her 100%. I don’t believe she’ll attack Palin. She knows she has to play along with the party. But she also knows it would be political suicide for her and totally ruin her credibility with women if she attacks Sarah.

    One other thing. Never underestimate the Clintons. They are the most astute politicians of our lifetime. They know what they’re doing and I have undying faith in them both. Wait and see.

    McCain/Palin ’08
    Hillary ’12

  • Liz B

    Matthew,
    Thank You for opening this thought provoking conversation. If the Clinton Democrats don’t have this conversation now, there will be trouble in the future.
    This has been a confusing year in politics, with more twists and turns than a John Grisham novel, but this much remains true. Our candidate, was denied the Nomination by Our party, the Democratic Party. Our party has been the party for racial equality, Women’s rights, and a whole host of other issues and causes, yet, this same party denied our most basic American principles, and have done so abetted by the Media and now the only 3am moment left for Hillary is the one that asks more of her. The Obama camp is asking her to save their asses, and the Women are still asking her to continue to defend the rights of American women, and like it or not, we are talking Democratic women and Republican women, and all the little girls who have yet to choose what kind of woman they will grow up to be. The question isn’t asking should Hillary get involved? She is involved. There is no time off for a living legacy whose story is still in progress. The question is who will she lend her name to, which cause will she be identified with now? She can be the woman who was scorned and overlooked who came in and saved a sinking Obama Presidential bid, and while there might be some momentary satisfaction in an “I told you so” scenario, what does that message send to women? (or to men)
    This isn’t over and it won’t be until November. We know Hillary was right, and we know she was wronged. I would like to go into the even farther- reaching permanent damage that was done to Bill and his legacy by the Obama camp, who politically castrated him by attaching the racist label on him as early as possible, not because he is, or ever will be a racist, but because Bill Clinton was the real threat to Obama, his wild popularity with Blacks was well known, and he would have attracted 50-60% of the AA vote to Hillary if not for his being falsely accused of harboring racist ill will for Obama. Make no mistake, the fairy tale remark was about Iraq, but the remark was misquoted and then oft repeated in Black barbershops and corner markets all over S.C., the Black Leaders and the Media planted seeds of doubt about Bill, and allowed the rumor to become a Black Urban Legend. Obama did half-heartedly disspell this notion a week after the remark was made, but the damage was done. That is how politics is played. This is what the Obama campaign is all about. David Axelrod is selling a personality, and the issues were not important. The crowds were important. The Message and the Inspiration was all that was ever intended to be important. We know Obama tried to make his answers the same as Hillary’s on everything (except the vote on going to war in Iraq). He is now trying to move as close to McCain on ploicy issues as possible. Now he and his campaign advisor (aka: political strategist) Axelrod, are even more appalled that anotherr B**ch would show Obama up, yet again! The nightmare just never ends for this guy…so what is his answer? Let’s drag out Hillary “Aren’t those Middle-aged, uneducated hags in her back pocket? Can’t she convince them that I am The One, and even Hillary has now seen the light”?
    The One doesn’t give a f*ck about Hillary’s credibility, her legacy, her voters, her integrity, her feelings, her self respect, nothing, NADA! He wants to use her to drag his sorry ass over the finish line and in effect, make her a laughing stock in the Democratic party. If she campaigns for him and allows the race to become even more sexist in the process, the DNC will have had the last laugh, and women everywhere will become very bitter when they realize they were not only duped by Barack, but they were let down and lied to by their heroine, Hillary.
    It is 3am, and she needs to treat this call like it’s coming from an Obscene caller–Hang the phone up, change your number, or report it to the FCC as a call that may be coming from a Terrorist!
    If not for just a little bit longer Hillary, do the right thing, a third party is ready to be born…The American Party. We will need a leader to make it a reality.

  • sjc-tx

    I think many folks seem to misunderstand what Politics is all about. Hillary has been ‘in the game’ LONG before this farce of a primary. She has an agenda. She has HER beliefs. She has HER principles.

    To those who think she should just curl up and take the phone off the hook, I respectfully say you are being unrealistic. Hillary has a GREAT deal of POWER, (despite what the DNC wants to admit or “allow”). She is also a “Party Loyalist”.

    I personally don;t think she should nor want to see her cover barky’s ass; and I don’t think she is. But she wants a Dem in the WH. Maybe she thinks there is some way to “control” his maddness once there. Maybe she thinks the Congress would actually start doing their job… I don’t know…

    But what I DO think she SHOULD do, as a woman, and as a decent human being is to SPEAK up against the increasingly INTOLERABLE attitudes and precedents of slander, censorship, sexism and ABUSE of WOMEN. She doesn’t have to stand up for Sarah Palin as a candidate, but I think she SHOULD stand up for her as a WOMAN.

    “Feminism” isn’t about abortion, choice, personal preferences, guns, religion etc… “Feminism” is about CIVILISED, EQUAL, and RESPECTFUL treatment of Woman. Full Stop!

  • Liz B

    Thank You.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    Pardon my cross-post here, as I have also posted this on Ani’s newer thread, but I wanted to update this thread with my comment:

    I am now listening to Hillary Clinton speak in Florida. As a long-time, original supporter from the early 90s, I’ve got to say I am extremely disappointed to hear her speak unconstrained words of praise and support for Obama. So she has opted to be brow beaten by Obama and still come out and say, he’s a great person, our only choice. I’m sorry, I own my vote and I refuse to forgive or forget.

    This is a sad day…

  • http://panmetron.blogspot.com PanMetron

    Your “I expect leaders to lead” line is so nebuluous that I must confess I’m about to flip the troll bit on your posts here.

    Why don’t you lead and just put your opinion out there instead of demanding someone else to do your work for you?

  • Andrew

    Barack [REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR] Obama won’t be appointing anyone to the Supreme Court, ever.

  • Andrew

    Gov Palin said there was “a perceived whine” among the media and some voters when Hillary and other women raised charges of sexism. That is different than saying Hillary was whining. And it is undoubtedly true.

  • LogicallySpeaking

    It’s a sad day that republicans can be misogynistic and hateful towards Hillary for 16 years, enough to knock her out of the race, and then expect her to speak for one of their candidates. Maybe some refuse to forgive and forget.

  • http://NoteToSelfDontDie.com/members/ gerard “Barracuda” Nedich

    woa!

    republicans had nothing to do with it…

    blame Obama, Pelosi, Brazile, Dean and the rest of the Democratic leadership…

    you couldn’t find an uglier group of shallow, greedy, backstabbing weazels if you tried…

    oh yeah, throw in the leadership of NOW and NARAL and other liberal groups too…

    if you have a complaint about the obscene sexism against palin, don’t complain to hillary, complain to these groups who endorsed the moron Obama

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080820_NBC-WSJ_Released.pdf trixta

    Mathew Weaver is an Ozombie mole.

    Instead of attacking HRC, you should be demanding that the Pod Dem Feminists defend Palin from the Obama camp’s misogynist attacks against Palin.

  • an observer

    An FDR style bankruptcy reorganization design to suppress speculation by drying up its funds and stop the coming hype-inflation.

  • http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080820_NBC-WSJ_Released.pdf trixta

    Brava, Mimi! Mathew weaver is an Ozombie mole.

  • PUMA KY

    It’s time for Obama to either lose (hopefully lose) or win this election on his own and quit running to Hillary to bail him out. As for Hillary, she should refuse to be a part of the vile manner in which Obama, DNC, and left-wing media are attacking Palin. Hillary needs to make a public statement condemning the sexist remarks and the misogyny that was directed at her and Palin and state policy issues are inbounds and the sexist remarks and teenage daughter are out of bounds and be done with it. I may be a Democrat, but I will stand up against the sexism and misogyny no matter what political party.

  • texaslatina

    mike weaver you are a pathetically sad “alleged” hillary supporter, not to mention poltically ignorant, and politically clueless. again, you have no business posting on political issues.

  • my little stand

    I think Hillary is between a rock and a hard place. (I’ve always thought that phrase was a little bit weird, but I think it fits here)

    I think Hillary needs to take a stand, but for the right things. She needs to promote the issues and solutions put forth by the party because she believes in them, so that’s not caving.

    But she needs to do the very courageous thing of coming out against that media that is destructive. Not all the media is.

    This country would not be a democracy without the freedom of speech and the press. That’s a given.
    But with that freedom comes the responsibility not to abuse it. Some journalists (if you can call them that) have crossed this line. I believe that it is this media sector that destroyed Hillary’s chances, even more than Obama, although he didn’t do anything to stop it.

    I believe that Hillary should address this part of the irresponsible press, admit that Gov. Palin and she have many differences, but point out that they agree that women can hold high offices in the U.S. government and STILL BE GOOD MOMS. Then she should speak to the press on issues and solutions from the Democratic platform. She will have made an heroic stand, stood by her party, and done the right thing.

    And it would be her first speech for 2012.

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll mary

    Is this Weaver post really a 3:00 AM type of Question?

    Or is it really a parenthetical expression of pure anger by some of us who feel that the VICTIM SHOULD BE BLAMED ALL OVER AGAIN! In which case we are all misogynists by blaming HIllary for her own abuse!

    IN FAMILY COURTS, THE JUDGE BLAMES THE ABUSED WIFE AND THEN ISSUES AN ORDER FOR HER TO RETURN TO HER ABUSER AND FIGHT TO HER DEATH!

    WHY ARE YOU ASKING THE ABUSED TO TAKE UP THE FIGHT and ACCUSE HER ABUSERS. SHE’S DONE HER JOB, SHE SUFFERED HER ABUSE!

    WEAVER -

    WHO IS THE VICTIM HEERE? WHAT’S SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

    WHY ASK THE VICTIM TO TAKE THE GUN AND GO FIGHT HER RAPISTS?

    YOU, WEAVER, SHOULD DO IT AND WE SHOULD!

    ***QUITE BLAMING THE VICTIM**TYPICAL SEXIST TACTIC!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll Real Puma

    What the hell is wrong with this guy Weaver who *claims* (doubtable) that he has Hillary’s best interests at heart. He obviously does not.

    He’s a typical male-cultured “judge” who wants to be “judge and jury and cop” to wayward women!

    Why is Weaver so eager to have HIllary come out like this?

    I’ll tell you WEAVER IS A REPUBLICAN WHO WANTS TO DESTROY HILLARY’S CHANCE 4 YEARS FROM NOW!

    SMART DEVIL, WEAVER!

    GO SELL THE DAMAGED ARGUMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
    YOU DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HILLARY!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    hillary Dem

    Leave Hillary in Peace, Weaver!

    But Weaver is a Rovian operative out to destroy Hillary. Don’t let this snake fool you!

    Weaver wants Hillary to be thrown out of the Dem party so his gal Palin can steal the show 2012

    Weaver*****you’re such an open Rovian bible, you
    deceiving Man!

    LAY OFF, WEAVER!! Buzz off! You’re a liar!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll Real Puma

    It’s not HIllary’s 3:00 AM

    It’s Weaver’s 3:00 AM as he’s working for Pallin in 2012
    and he wants to DESTROY HILLARY!

    Good undercover work for Republican rovians!

    Don’t buy Weaver’s argument. It’s phony and he should hang his head in shame.

    SHAME ON YOU WEAVER!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll john1

    yea mattehwe

    i have a grater cartoon – you getting a paycheck from the mccain campaign!

    nice work, rovian! you almost fooled us.

    Hillary ain’t gonna take your devious, disgusting bait!

    You’re a Hillary-baiter, WEaver!
    What a disappointment..

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll Weaver is RovianBot!

    Weaver, we get it! You want to expose Hillary to harm so your republican heart can smile with Palin in 2012!

    Why are you such as sexist. How about you post any work you’ve done to COMBAT SEXISM anywhere else. And what have you written throughout the primary about Hillary!

    Show us the money, Weaver, you old Rovian bot
    undercover McCain operative!

    Shame on your Weaver!

    WEAVER’S A ROVIAN BOT AGAINT HILLARY!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll Weaver is RovianBot!

    Weaver is a REpublican bot!

    Weaver doesn’t give a flying stool about Hillary’s chances in 4 years!

    WEAVER WANTS TO DESTROY HILLARY!

    Weaver is undercover for Rove to expose HIllary and go out on a limb for what?

    The Republicans are neanderthals who are agianst everything women stand for!

    For Hilary to go out against her party is suidcidal.

    WHY IS WEAVER SO GUNG-HO TO EXPOSE ADN DESTROY HILLARY’S CHANCES.

    HELL, HE MUST BE DYED IN TEH WOOLD REPUBLICANO IN THE ROVIAN MODE!

    NO WAY, NO HOW, NO WEAVER!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    dyana

    Weaver here is sounding a bit suspicious like the woman says. Why is Weaver now pushing Hillary to go out and do this?

    Why is Weaver sayin this is the 3:00AM. Is he nuts? Doesn’t this dunderhead udnerstand what POLITICS is all about?

    of course Weaver don’t give a shit about Hillary!

    Yup! They’re right about Weaver ole boy…he of the Republican Party membership!

    THIS SITE IS TOO WEAVER-REPUBLICAN

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    Hillary does not need Weaverboy’s advice!

    Who is paying Weaver to write this shit anyway? We are not fools to be manipulated by another boy-wonder blogger here! Get lost, Weaving Man
    Or say something we can believe you are real. Otherwise, you’re just wasting your time here writing your crappy 3:00am shit!

    we don’t need some damn repubican guy like Weaver tellin us women what to do.

    Weaver sweetie, why don’t you write Hillary and Bill yourself!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll memi

    dee 4 hill

    Matthew Weaver does not have Hillary’s best interestes at heart and please don’t pay attention to him as he wants to demolish HRC’s chances. He’s probably a BHO bot or a Republican who wants Hillary to be defeated!
    He’s evil, as Sarah would say!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll mary

    jadwiga

    I’ve been commenting here for months and I am pro-Hillary 100% like Larry and Susan and Upptity and Rev. Amy.

    This new poster Matthew Weaver is duplicitous at best and either an Obamabot or a Pallin-for 2012 bot! He must have an ulterior motive for wanting to expose Hillary and ruin her chances with the (ex) Democratic Party! Surely we can see Weaver through for what he really is!

    Why these stupid posts and now we have an ultimature 3:00 a.m call for Hilllary!

    Is Larry aware that this, the best of the pro-Clinton blogs in the world, is infested with Matthew Weaver’s nonsensical, transparent attempts to destroy Hillary in the most camouflaged, devious MISOGYNIST modus operandi known this side of the Rovian-Chicago equation.

    We’re not fools, Matthew. Go sell your anti-Hillary vitriol in sugar-coated pills to others!

    SHAME ON YOU, MATTHEW WEAVER!

    Pumas will bite your impecunious posterior if you don’t grow up! Get a real job, sweetie…and leave our Hillary alone, hon!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll mary

    Elise

    We’re all baffled by Weaver’s dumb posts here. He’s an obama or McCain ‘bot who wants to expose Hillary, start some infighting, bad faith so his masters can prosper at the expense of Hilary.

    Shame on Weaver! We can see through his transparent misogynist, anti-Hillary vitriolic attempts!

    Let’s ignore the ‘bot!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    WEAVER IS A TRANSPLATED OBAMA/MCAIN AGENT!

    IGNORE THIS DUPLICITIOUS, SEXIST ANTI-HILLARY ‘BOT.

    LET’S GIVE MATTHEW BOT THE 3:00 AM BOOT!

    WEAVER, GET LOST! WE CAN SEE THROUGH YOUR MISOGYNY AND YOUR HATRED FOR HILLARY!

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    red sleeves

    perchance thou art screwedeth…

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    cpl

    you’ve just trashed your credibility ‘bot….
    go sell crazy somewhere else!

    Puma roar

  • http://MaqisBHOTroll pat

    trixta

    You said it.

    WEAVER IS AN OBAMABOT TRYING TO FURTHER TRASH HILLARY!

    DON’T LET THIS CREEP MOUTH OFF HIS VACUOUSLY INANE, STUPID NONSENSICAL POSTS.

    HE IS SO EASY TO SEE THROUGH!

    weaver get lost, creep!

  • Celia

    I agree – Hillary should NOT campaign for Obama. After the way she was trashed by him and his organization and the Democratic Party iteself, she should stay home or just attend to her work in the Senate. Why should she clean up after his mistakes?? I voted for Hillary and supported her campaign – my vote now goes to McCain. I’ve never voted Republican in my life before and I’ve been voting since 1976. Live and learn as they say!!

  • http://www.missmalevolent.com Miss Malevolent

    It is not Hillary’s fight.

    She is not on Obama’s ticket…nor is she on McCain’s ticket.

    It is not her job to fight for McCain or Obama.

    I’m sick of this blame the Clintons bullshit.

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