Comments on: Cybill Shepherd and the Return to Salem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Monet http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-715239 Monet Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:42:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-715239 Author: "I suppose the next step would be to rescue Bristol from the Palin family, deprogram her, and force her to have a late term abortion. That’ll show those right wing fascists. This has become a witch hunt pure and simple." Shtuey doesn't have the faintest idea what pro-choice and reproductive rights are about. He's clueless. Cybill Shepherd doesn't want Ms. Palin to have an abortion, what she wants is for Ms. Palin to have access to birth control and if she does become pregnant, to make her own choice about the pregnancy - whether that is to carry the child to term, raise the child or give the child for adoption or terminate the pregnancy. Ms. Shepherd has been an advocate of women's reproductive rights for decades. She isn't out to hunt right wing conservatives. What she wants to ensure is that they don't take away choice from any woman, regardless of her age and youth. From a Larry King, April, 2000 interview with Ms. Shepherd: " KING: You've always been pro-choice, right? SHEPHERD: Always been pro-choice. KING: Even growing up in an area where pro-life would have been sacrosanct? SHEPHERD: I was very lucky. Very close family friend in 1966, a doctor, prescribed me birth control pills without telling my mother and without telling me. Just went for my first gynecological appointment, and he said, "Do you have a boyfriend?" I said yes. He said, "Do you love him?" I said, "Yes, we're going to get married?" He said: "Well, you know, your periods have been a little irregular here. I'm going to give you a prescription of something that's going to make your periods real regular." I was very fortunate, and that is why I feel compelled to stand up for the young women in this country now who are not allowed to control their own fertility, their bodily fertility. People keep wanting to take away from women our right to control our pleasure and our bodies and our reproductive health. And for this, I will always continue to fight wherever it is. " Author: “I suppose the next step would be to rescue Bristol from the Palin family, deprogram her, and force her to have a late term abortion. That’ll show those right wing fascists.

This has become a witch hunt pure and simple.”

Shtuey doesn’t have the faintest idea what pro-choice and reproductive rights are about. He’s clueless.

Cybill Shepherd doesn’t want Ms. Palin to have an abortion, what she wants is for Ms. Palin to have access to birth control and if she does become pregnant, to make her own choice about the pregnancy – whether that is to carry the child to term, raise the child or give the child for adoption or terminate the pregnancy.

Ms. Shepherd has been an advocate of women’s reproductive rights for decades. She isn’t out to hunt right wing conservatives. What she wants to ensure is that they don’t take away choice from any woman, regardless of her age and youth.

From a Larry King, April, 2000 interview with Ms. Shepherd:

” KING: You’ve always been pro-choice, right?

SHEPHERD: Always been pro-choice.

KING: Even growing up in an area where pro-life would have been sacrosanct?

SHEPHERD: I was very lucky. Very close family friend in 1966, a doctor, prescribed me birth control pills without telling my mother and without telling me. Just went for my first gynecological appointment, and he said, “Do you have a boyfriend?” I said yes. He said, “Do you love him?” I said, “Yes, we’re going to get married?”

He said: “Well, you know, your periods have been a little irregular here. I’m going to give you a prescription of something that’s going to make your periods real regular.”

I was very fortunate, and that is why I feel compelled to stand up for the young women in this country now who are not allowed to control their own fertility, their bodily fertility. People keep wanting to take away from women our right to control our pleasure and our bodies and our reproductive health. And for this, I will always continue to fight wherever it is. “

]]> By: Monet http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714959 Monet Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:34:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714959 "I don’t believe that 80% of the site is republican. I believe just the opposite and 80% of the site consists of Clinton Democrats who want to get rid of obi." I don't know if I'd go as high as 80% Republican, but lately I've thought it's over 50%. There's no talk about how Governor Palin's conservative views will impact the administration. Whether we are willing to risk voting for McCain/Palin if we knew Governor Palin would end up as president before 2012. Knowing her conservative views are much more right wing than Senator McCain's, are we willing to risk putting her in a good position to win the presidency in 2012 or 2016? I'm not on the Governor Palin bandwagon. I don't know enough about her and want to hear more from her on her conservative religious views. Does she subscribe to Reaganomics? Is her answer to everything drill, drill, drill and sic it to the oil companies? Her record as governor doesn't show much else. Although to be fair to her, she hasn't even been in office two years. Right now, I'm voting for Senator McCain and wishing that didn't mean I'm also voting for Governor Palin. If I learn more about Governor Palin and feel I can risk a Palin presidency, I'll vote McCain. If I don't, I'm going to have to consider another alternative. This past week, reading here I feel like it's the Official Governor Palin fan club. I'm also wondering what has happened to all of Senator Clinton's supporters and why they aren't concerned about Governor Palin and want to learn more about her. Instead I see people who are opposed to vetting her. Anyone who wants to or is concerned about her policies is attacking Governor Palin and is sexist. “I don’t believe that 80% of the site is republican. I believe just the opposite and 80% of the site consists of Clinton Democrats who want to get rid of obi.”

I don’t know if I’d go as high as 80% Republican, but lately I’ve thought it’s over 50%. There’s no talk about how Governor Palin’s conservative views will impact the administration. Whether we are willing to risk voting for McCain/Palin if we knew Governor Palin would end up as president before 2012. Knowing her conservative views are much more right wing than Senator McCain’s, are we willing to risk putting her in a good position to win the presidency in 2012 or 2016?

I’m not on the Governor Palin bandwagon. I don’t know enough about her and want to hear more from her on her conservative religious views. Does she subscribe to Reaganomics? Is her answer to everything drill, drill, drill and sic it to the oil companies? Her record as governor doesn’t show much else. Although to be fair to her, she hasn’t even been in office two years.

Right now, I’m voting for Senator McCain and wishing that didn’t mean I’m also voting for Governor Palin. If I learn more about Governor Palin and feel I can risk a Palin presidency, I’ll vote McCain. If I don’t, I’m going to have to consider another alternative.

This past week, reading here I feel like it’s the Official Governor Palin fan club. I’m also wondering what has happened to all of Senator Clinton’s supporters and why they aren’t concerned about Governor Palin and want to learn more about her. Instead I see people who are opposed to vetting her. Anyone who wants to or is concerned about her policies is attacking Governor Palin and is sexist.

]]> By: Monet http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714917 Monet Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:24:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714917 Yes, I'm completely aware that some teenage girls want to have babies and do their best to get pregnant. I don't think anyone under the age of 18 should be having sex. If you pressed me further, I'd say 21. However, what I think and 16 year olds think, are two different things. Nothing I say or do will keep a 16 year old from having sex who is determined to have sex. Parents who do everything right end up with pregnant teens. Parents who screw up end up with pregnant teens. I have friends who put their daughters on birth control when they have their first boyfriend. Others who stock the bathroom with condoms. I disagree with that. It wouldn't be my method of dealing with teenage sex and I'm sure many people would say my head is in the sand, teaching abstinence goes only so far. Kids are having sex, regardless of what we do. When a teenage girl discovers she's pregnant, in my opinion, it's her body, her baby. Her decision. Period. Whether or not she chooses to have the baby, it's a decision that will impact the rest of her life and should be hers by law. If we give pregnant women over the age of 18 that privilege of choice, it should be extended to pregnant teenage girls under the age of 18. However, for a girl under 14 or 15, I do think her parents should have input. Yes, I’m completely aware that some teenage girls want to have babies and do their best to get pregnant.

I don’t think anyone under the age of 18 should be having sex. If you pressed me further, I’d say 21. However, what I think and 16 year olds think, are two different things. Nothing I say or do will keep a 16 year old from having sex who is determined to have sex.

Parents who do everything right end up with pregnant teens. Parents who screw up end up with pregnant teens.

I have friends who put their daughters on birth control when they have their first boyfriend. Others who stock the bathroom with condoms. I disagree with that. It wouldn’t be my method of dealing with teenage sex and I’m sure many people would say my head is in the sand, teaching abstinence goes only so far.

Kids are having sex, regardless of what we do. When a teenage girl discovers she’s pregnant, in my opinion, it’s her body, her baby. Her decision. Period. Whether or not she chooses to have the baby, it’s a decision that will impact the rest of her life and should be hers by law. If we give pregnant women over the age of 18 that privilege of choice, it should be extended to pregnant teenage girls under the age of 18. However, for a girl under 14 or 15, I do think her parents should have input.

]]> By: Dee http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714376 Dee Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:51:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714376 Here's my 2 cents on this. I am really finding it hard to listen to other females who worked so hard to bring women to a point that we can be our own individuals and yet, they are now applying the ugly double standard to women that they don't share the same beliefs with. The purpose of attaining our own voice was to do just that -- speak our own voice whatever it may be and have the opportunity that men have. To tell other women now that it is unacceptable to be who they want to be is just wrong. I salute those women who actually understand what the cause was about. Here’s my 2 cents on this. I am really finding it hard to listen to other females who worked so hard to bring women to a point that we can be our own individuals and yet, they are now applying the ugly double standard to women that they don’t share the same beliefs with. The purpose of attaining our own voice was to do just that — speak our own voice whatever it may be and have the opportunity that men have. To tell other women now that it is unacceptable to be who they want to be is just wrong. I salute those women who actually understand what the cause was about.

]]> By: penguin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714276 penguin Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:36:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-714276 Colleagues of mine are sending me frantic e-mails bashing McCain/Palin. These Obama supporters bashed the Clintons, Hillary in particular. Sarah Palin has come onto the scene and now they are scared. Boo Hoo! They were warned that the Republicans would go after Obama for his lack of a track record and his racist comments against "bitter small town" people, along with a host of other flaws. Not only that the Dems have bashed their base working class voters. This at a time when the middle class is desparately trying to survive. Now the Dems have decided they need working class voters. They came to this realization only after Palin received the nomination. Pathetic!! The Clintons should just be graceful and decline any offers to help the dying party. Colleagues of mine are sending me frantic e-mails bashing McCain/Palin. These Obama supporters bashed the Clintons, Hillary in particular. Sarah Palin has come onto the scene and now they are scared. Boo Hoo! They were warned that the Republicans would go after Obama for his lack of a track record and his racist comments against “bitter small town” people, along with a host of other flaws. Not only that the Dems have bashed their base working class voters. This at a time when the middle class is desparately trying to survive. Now the Dems have decided they need working class voters. They came to this realization only after Palin received the nomination. Pathetic!! The Clintons should just be graceful and decline any offers to help the dying party.

]]> By: Lee M http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713886 Lee M Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:47:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713886 I have been reading these posts for over an hour now and my head is spinning and my eyes are burning, but before I sign off I want to comment on the Post by "Jack the Ripper". I loved it. Rip "Freedom Fighter" another one. He needs help - I think he's constipated. As for all of you who defended Governor Palin and the decisions made by her and her daughter, I commend you. You have all stated my feelings much better than I could ever have. Thenk God there are people like you left in this country. After much soul searching, I left the Democratic Party to which I had belonged for over 30 years because - to steal a phrase from Obama - It was no longer the Democratic Party that I knew. I still have a great deal of admiration for Senator and President Clinton but I also feel like several others that what they do from here on in will determine whether I will ever support either of them again. They have done enough. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The poor excuse that is left of the Democratic Party has humiliated both of them and any further association with that bunch can only tarnish them. Please, Bill and Hillary, think of your legacy. I have been reading these posts for over an hour now and my head is spinning and my eyes are burning, but before I sign off I want to comment on the Post by “Jack the Ripper”. I loved it. Rip “Freedom Fighter” another one. He needs help – I think he’s constipated.

As for all of you who defended Governor Palin and the decisions made by her and her daughter, I commend you. You have all stated my feelings much better than I could ever have. Thenk God there are people like you left in this country.

After much soul searching, I left the Democratic Party to which I had belonged for over 30 years because – to steal a phrase from Obama – It was no longer the Democratic Party that I knew.

I still have a great deal of admiration for Senator and President Clinton but I also feel like several others that what they do from here on in will determine whether I will ever support either of them again. They have done enough. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

The poor excuse that is left of the Democratic Party has humiliated both of them and any further association with that bunch can only tarnish them. Please, Bill and Hillary, think of your legacy.

]]> By: Chiten http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713867 Chiten Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:45:22 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713867 I'm sure he's a tiny example since he's an inadequate example of everything else resembling manhood. I’m sure he’s a tiny example since he’s an inadequate example of everything else resembling manhood.

]]> By: Kal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713652 Kal Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:03:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713652 Great post, shtuey!! Great post, shtuey!!

]]> By: The Sane John http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713582 The Sane John Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:49:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713582 Anyone who has watched and listened to Bill Clinton through the years knows that when he dispenses a quick easy answer like, "Obama will win handily", the irony meter is off-the charts. When Bill Clinton REALLY supports you he makes one of those famous Bill Clinton-type statements that make it seem like the language was invented for the sole purpose of Clinton making his point. When he throws out a tired, glib cliche, you know he ain't really interested. Bill Clinton basically said, "Whatever, who cares?" Anyone who has watched and listened to Bill Clinton through the years knows that when he dispenses a quick easy answer like, “Obama will win handily”, the irony meter is off-the charts. When Bill Clinton REALLY supports you he makes one of those famous Bill Clinton-type statements that make it seem like the language was invented for the sole purpose of Clinton making his point. When he throws out a tired, glib cliche, you know he ain’t really interested. Bill Clinton basically said, “Whatever, who cares?”

]]> By: gumdart http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713543 gumdart Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:42:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713543 Thanks for clarifying . . . like Maverick (I guess) I was just skimming down thinkin' it was trollin' . . . Nice. Thanks for clarifying . . . like Maverick (I guess) I was just skimming down thinkin’ it was trollin’ . . .
Nice.

]]> By: gumdart http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713502 gumdart Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:33:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713502 Parents are responsible for all other aspects of a 17-year-old-dependent's medical care, and I know I'd have strong feelings about it I had a teenager who was pregnant . . . but I think the courts definitely should be available for kids who have less-than-understanding parents . . . and at times even that may not be enough (I know what it's like to grow up in a _very_ small and conservative town) . . . Do you realize that not all teenage pregnancies are unplanned (some kids really want a baby to love) and that not all unplanned pregnancies are the result of irresponsibility? I mean, if a teenage me had been a rape or date rape or incest survivor, or even just a smidgeon less cautious than abstinent ol' I was, I sure as heck would have wanted to end a pregnancy . . . no matter what . . . and on the other hand, I have as an adult had an unplanned pregnancy that really opened my heart (I understand if some think I'm crazy, since it boggled my mind, but as early as three weeks I could feel a soul with me) . . . so I could never tell even a teenager that they _should_ end a pregnancy they wanted . . . because pregnancy can be _much_ more than a medical condition. And it's precisely because I do believe that it can be much, much more than a medical condition that I always end up thinking pregnant teenagers should _not_ need their parents' permission to abort or keep a pregnancy. The pregnant humans should have the power of choice, in my mind, precisely because it is primarily _their_ spiritual (and physical, emotional, etc.) issue, not their family's or boyfriend's. It's ideal that teenagers could talk to their families for guidance anytime they're in a tough situation . . . but so few families are that ideal. The parents' main influence has to come in raising and educating their kids _before_ they get pregnant, helping them be psychologically healthy and not be so starved for love and acceptance that they want to jump into more intimate relationships than they're ready for. Parents are responsible for all other aspects of a 17-year-old-dependent’s medical care, and I know I’d have strong feelings about it I had a teenager who was pregnant . . . but I think the courts definitely should be available for kids who have less-than-understanding parents . . . and at times even that may not be enough (I know what it’s like to grow up in a _very_ small and conservative town) . . .

Do you realize that not all teenage pregnancies are unplanned (some kids really want a baby to love) and that not all unplanned pregnancies are the result of irresponsibility? I mean, if a teenage me had been a rape or date rape or incest survivor, or even just a smidgeon less cautious than abstinent ol’ I was, I sure as heck would have wanted to end a pregnancy . . . no matter what . . . and on the other hand, I have as an adult had an unplanned pregnancy that really opened my heart (I understand if some think I’m crazy, since it boggled my mind, but as early as three weeks I could feel a soul with me) . . . so I could never tell even a teenager that they _should_ end a pregnancy they wanted . . . because pregnancy can be _much_ more than a medical condition. And it’s precisely because I do believe that it can be much, much more than a medical condition that I always end up thinking pregnant teenagers should _not_ need their parents’ permission to abort or keep a pregnancy. The pregnant humans should have the power of choice, in my mind, precisely because it is primarily _their_ spiritual (and physical, emotional, etc.) issue, not their family’s or boyfriend’s.

It’s ideal that teenagers could talk to their families for guidance anytime they’re in a tough situation . . . but so few families are that ideal. The parents’ main influence has to come in raising and educating their kids _before_ they get pregnant, helping them be psychologically healthy and not be so starved for love and acceptance that they want to jump into more intimate relationships than they’re ready for.

]]> By: Alice Paul http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713360 Alice Paul Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:13:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713360 Daily Kos Hate Site asked the original questions of Palin on post above. I was responding. Daily Kos Hate Site asked the original questions of Palin on post above. I was responding.

]]> By: Chiten http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713359 Chiten Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:13:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713359 I found the numbers. John McCain's IQ is 133 according to his military records. Barack Obama's is 128 according to the few Harvard records he allows in the public eye. Bill Clinton's is 137 according to his college records. Hillary Clinton's is 140 according to her college records. Sarah Palin's is 128. Michelle Obama's is 107. She failed the bar exam the first time she took it. The national average is 100. Below 70 is considered mentally handicapped. For comparison, Einstein's is 160, Steven Hawking is 160, Marilyn Vos Savant is 186 (world's most intelligent woman), Madona, of all people is 140, Bush is 125, and my own is 148 (and is documented in my own college records). It looks like McCain has 3 points on obi and Hillary has 3 points on Bill. obi only has 5 points on dumbya. We all know that IQ doesn't neccesarily indicate success, but it's interesting to see the comparisons. Obama is not a genius, he is a product of affirmative action. I found the numbers.
John McCain’s IQ is 133 according to his military records.
Barack Obama’s is 128 according to the few Harvard records he allows in the public eye.
Bill Clinton’s is 137 according to his college records.
Hillary Clinton’s is 140 according to her college records.
Sarah Palin’s is 128.
Michelle Obama’s is 107. She failed the bar exam the first time she took it.
The national average is 100. Below 70 is considered mentally handicapped.
For comparison, Einstein’s is 160, Steven Hawking is 160, Marilyn Vos Savant is 186 (world’s most intelligent woman), Madona, of all people is 140, Bush is 125, and my own is 148 (and is documented in my own college records).
It looks like McCain has 3 points on obi and Hillary has 3 points on Bill. obi only has 5 points on dumbya.
We all know that IQ doesn’t neccesarily indicate success, but it’s interesting to see the comparisons.
Obama is not a genius, he is a product of affirmative action.

]]> By: Alice Paul http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713338 Alice Paul Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:10:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713338 Please read post again. I am replying to their accusations with facts about Obama. Not attacking Governor Palin! Please read post again. I am replying to their accusations with facts about Obama. Not attacking Governor Palin!

]]> By: Chiten http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4661/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713187 Chiten Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:45:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/11/cybill-shepherd-and-the-return-to-salem/#comment-713187 obama does NOT have a high IQ. He may want you to think he does, but he certainly doesn't. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and DOES have a high IQ as does Hillary. Just because obi is an elitist, racist, sexist pig does not mean he has a high IQ. obama does NOT have a high IQ. He may want you to think he does, but he certainly doesn’t.
Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and DOES have a high IQ as does Hillary. Just because obi is an elitist, racist, sexist pig does not mean he has a high IQ.

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