The Numbers are Devastating to Obama

Yes, but the media is still reporting it as 50-50, and even when they show McCain ahead they say “but 4-7 points ahead is still a statistical tie.”

They are keeping the narrative in place for a horserace.

Wow I like the name PURE INDEPENDENT!!

up 19?? wow!

They even doubled their base among liberal Democrats. How many of these conservative, moderate, or liberal Democrats are Clinton supporters is unclear, but the move to McCain and Palin is unmistakeable.

Another poster put it so well the other night:

McCain/Palin gave the people meat and potatoes.

Obama served up some tasty arugula.

A CRYSTAL BALL…..
http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/thunderingtowardsthefinishline.aspx

I’m one of the 4%’ers. Nice to see some other “liberal democrats” can also see through the Obama smokescreen! I now refer to myself as a Liberal Independent…..

After eight years of Republican screw-ups, America desperately wanted a Democratic President. Instead, the Democrats offer us Obama.

for the first time in my adult life i am proud of america…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Yes, but the media is still reporting it as 50-50, and even when they show McCain ahead they say “but 4-7 points ahead is still a statistical tie.”

They are keeping the narrative in place for a horserace.

yes, it is very handy when all Obama has left to offer america is to steal votes…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Let the MSM keep talking. The voters know the real deal. I was proud to see Hillary Clinton Women Backers coming to the defense of Sarah Palin as reported by Politico.com. This is our women suffrage movement of 2008. Enough is enough. We are not going to take this crap anymore. You will either respect our power or Suffer the consequences. That means are money, support and VOTES!

PUMA 2008!

New GALLUP Poll just released:

McCain Now Winning Majority of Independents

Majority of independents now prefer McCain over Obama, 52% to 37%.

15 points!!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110137/McCain-Now-Winning-Majority-Independents.aspx

Also, HUGE crowd in Ohio today for McCain-Palin rally!

MSNBC just reported the NYT article about Obama’s money starting to dry up? Is that true? Glory!

Keep Standing Up America!

McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary ’12

Liberal Democrat for McCain-Palin!

Unfortunately the electoral college map is not leaning in McCain’s direction.

DNC = Worst Party Leadership EVER.

Great pictures!

I hear that arugula is a little bitter….

it will trust me,

the polls for these states have not been taken yet.

The movement (PUMA) and respect for people is real.

Obama/Barack America/or whatever his name is.

PUMA 2008!

I will never forget the look on Obama’s face and Biden’s face the morning after Sarah Palin’s choice as VP was announced. Priceless.

Obama was unshaven and had a haunted, worried look on his face. Biden appeared equally disturbed. Obama and his campaign know full well how they treated Hillary’s supporters; they know why women are angry with Obama and the DNC, and they know that, besides the misogyny factor, these women do not trust Obama’s lack of experience, and many are fully aware that he gamed and cheated the system to gain the nomination.

With these poll numbers, it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. It couldn’t happen to a better (worse) man.

I hope you’re right. In 2004, as a GWB supporter, when it looked like Kerry might win; I told myself that I was going to stand behind Kerry; regardless of political ideology. He would be our president and I respect the office enough to support whomever occupies it. I can’t do that with BO. I just can’t.

One major problem with these polls right now is that some haven’t accounted for the surge in party identification that has occured following the convention. Yetserday’s Gallup showed a 1 POINTedge for Dems in party ID, down from like 8 points a few eeks ago. This is important because some polls (especially the trackers) weight the results based upon party ID numbes that have been obained one to two weeks before. Rasmussen makes this point in the poll that is released today which shows the race tied today. Since they haven’t reqeighted the polls for the possible surge in ID, these reaults could be off by as much as 6 or 7 points, IMHO. We’ll know more maybe later this week or earlier next week, but don’t get down about polls that show the race even. The polls haven’t sorted out all the chnages the GOP convention brought to the race.

Yes, Obama may be short money! The New York Times is reported last night/today with comments like “extremely anemic” that funding is short.

See Forgoing Subsidy, Obama Team Presses Donors.

They even note that “It collected in June and July far less from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s donors than originally projected.” They can’t be seriously surprised by this, can they?!

Can you share a link to the picture please?

Thanks

It wasn’t a picture. It was on the TV. Fox, as I recall.

Stacy, don’t panic yet!

MOST of those ‘map’ numbers include states that have NOT been polled at all since both conventions or states (five to be exact) that have only been polled once.

The national map will not start two change for a couple weeks.

Hold tight!

Take care,
Patrick

I have studied the electoral college, and I have came to this conclusion. If these 3 things happen then McCain wins.

1. Hold Ohio and Florida.

2. Flip either Michigan or Pennsylvania.

3. Hold just 1 of the following 3 states. ( Virginia, Colorado, Nevada)

Ohio has never warmed up to Obama. Bush carried it in 2000 and 2004. Palin seems to play well there. McCain should carry it by even a bigger margin than Bush did in either 2000 or 04. Florida is a state that seems to really fit McCain well. They gave him a big win in the primaries, and despite close polling now, most all experts expect it to find end up in McCains column.

Kerry won both Mich and Pa. But Obama did not play well in Pa. in the primaries and was never on the ballot in Mi. Palin again plays well in these states, and the polling is dead even now. If your going to see a “bradley effect” it would be in states like Mi, Pa, Ohio. There is also some unusual racial tensions in Mi. My guess is that it will become apparent which one is the easier to pick off, and then you will see Palin live in that state for the rest of the time before the election.

Virginia, Colorado, Nevada were all won by Bush in 2000 and 2004, and by somewhat comfortable margins. I know the messiah is popular in those states, but to think Obama will flip all 3 is kinda far fetched, and if the above 2 scenarios play out, then Obama would have to take all 3.

All my assumptions are based on the logic that Obama will flip Iowa and New Mexico, so yeah I did give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

An OUTSTANDING observation. Thank you so much for posting it.

Take care,
Patrick

Francis, sfhillary, matchles, Ted, debbie, Monet, OMG, hmmm, Obama/not mentioning/not mentioning/Biden08, RealHillFan, Real Hope, and so many others to name:

When McCain leads—these polls mean nothing.

When Obama leads—nice try “Republicans”. Your guy is still losing.

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When McCain has the advantage: The Obots come back with “he’s old”, or “he’s pro-life”.

When Obama is winning: The Obots come here gloating about how McCain is going to lose.

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I just thought I’d put the Obots talking points on the thread to save them some time.

By the way, I won’t really take any polls seriously until I see those debates. I’m interested in seeing how well each of these people handle the pressure.

I’m sure everyone gives pollsters headaches–change candidate support, change party identification, or not. Am I liberal today, maybe conservative, depends on how you ask the question. I don’t recall seeing any recent or over-time numbers on people’s party or ideological identification–has anyone seen this? One number I did see suggested that only 29% of registered voters were Republican, but I don’t know when that was measured.

■ Most Americans want health insurance for everyone.
Sarah Palin opposes it.

■ Most Americans are not biblical literalists.
Sarah Palin is.

■ Most Americans favor a woman’s right to choose in abortion.
Sarah Palin wants to outlaw ALL abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.

■ Most Americans favor environmental protections and understand that global warming is largely caused by human activity.
Sarah Palin doesn’t.

■ Most Americans believe the findings of science.
Sarah Palin doesn’t.

■ Most Americans do not think Tim LaHaye’s “End Times” with millions of non-Christians drowning in rivers of blood while Jesus cheers are upon us.
Sarah Palin does.

■ Most Americans disagree with most of what has happened during the last eight years and with George W. Bush.
Sarah Palin is fraternal twin.

Okay, I’ve taken a deep breath and feel more at ease. LOL. Thanks so much guys. Heh.

The new FOX/Ras Poll yesterday on the swing states showed McCain ahead by 7 in Ohio.

Need to keep the momentum going!!

THOUSANDS more people at the McCain-Palin rally today in Ohio than showed up to hear Obama give another teleprompter speech.

The momentum is definitely behind McCain-Palin in Ohio!

And tomorrow, they will have a big rally in Virginia.

Smart!

Plus having his Gaza and Nigeria money cut off was a real blow to poor Obambi

Obama’s spokespeople say “The people who gave during the primary season have not written their checks (for the presidential campaign) yet.”

Ha ha

Obama’s spokespeople say “The people who gave during the primary season have not written their checks (for the presidential campaign) yet.”

Ha ha

New Storyline**************

I heard on the radio that REV WRIGHT has been named in the divorce of his church secretary…

She is a 37 year old married lady , who’s husband names Rev Wright as the man his wife is having an affair with.. there is a suggestion that the husband was upset because his wife was “sleeping with a black man”.

Either of #2 OR #3 will do. McCain doesn’t need both. It’ll be close, but he would only need like NH and/or maybe NM. So there are a lot of options available to McCain if he gets both FL & OH.

The 20 percent of women moving over to the Republican Party with Sarah Palin added to the ticket leaves me to ponder if they are Republicans and Independents who voted for Hillary Clinton under the direction of Rush Limbaugh during the primaries. If you recall, Limbaugh wanted to cause friction in the Dem Party and cause Barack Obama to become the Dem Party’s nominee. Limbaugh rightfully saw Obama as the weaker candidate for the Dems to offer up. This uncommonly swift and huge swing could speak to such a hypothesis. These voters are just beginning to come out of the woodwork with the general election in full swing.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/07/limbaugh.obama/index.html

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

I hope you’re right. In 2004, as a GWB supporter, when it looked like Kerry might win; I told myself that I was going to stand behind Kerry; regardless of political ideology. He would be our president and I respect the office enough to support whomever occupies it. I can’t do that with BO. I just can’t.

Exactly, Stacy. As a Republican, I have imagined the dreaded possibility of BO as POTUS and my uncontrolled, involuntary response…”He will never be MY President, never.”

To the MSM, a 4-7 point lead for Obama would be a ‘landslide’. But for McCain/Palin it is a ‘statistical tie’.

I lived in northern Virginia for 14 years. I am comfortable in thinking that McCain and Palin will take Virginia and Maryland handily. Palin with the suburban soccer-mom crowd and McCain with the military and pro-America crowd. I also think they have locks on Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Obama was clearly rejected in the first two and Florida has a popular Republican governor, among other factors, that don’t help Obama.

Do you think Kerry and Bush’s respective wins are relevant today? Do you think there will be a Bradley effect–either for race or for party identification?

Most Americans want their President to be patriotic.

Most Americans want their president to have core convictions.

Most Americans assume their president won’t invite terrorist and racist friends to the White House.

Most Americans want their President to have previous accomplishments demonstrating his/her qualifications to lead the free world!

just sayin…

Proof please, just because you write it doesn’t make it true. Didn’t you learn to cite sources in high school, or are you still in high school? NQ has already posted many of Palin’s views with actually links to sources and they differ greatly from what you say.

Republican Chick -

Obots are talking about being able to flip Utah and Oklahoma. Once I read that they lost all shred of credibility.

I can’t imagine that Axelrod allowed this article to print without intentionally using it to lower expectations. I predict 60M for Obama in August, 20 M for DNC.

Well, I guess people are finally getting it…misogyny doesn’t work long term because everyone has a mom! Some I have learned are just waking up to what was done to Hillary Clinton during the primary
Hillary : We’ve Come a Long Way, Baby!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8
and are darn mad (I can remember what that feels like) and they are now seeing it done with Palin.

They even placed the little baby on Ebay…sick just sick!
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/soetorobama-followers-on-democrat-underground-create-ebay-listing-to-sell-trig-palin-a-4-month-old-with-down-syndrome/

Keep in mind there are 54 Million disabled people in America with some form of disability…that is a lot of ticked off people. I don’t think they realize it isn’t funny, no it isn’t. Get a clue, you aren’t helping your cause, you are helping to sink Obama.

BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

Wow Kate, great points, you convinced me to change back to supporting the terrorist loving, pathological lying, sexist pig, do nothing politician, hate filled church for 20 yrs loving, slumlord covicted mentor candidate Barack Obama!

Yup, a person who has a difference of opinion vs a person who wallows with the slime of the earth, the choice is so clear!

* I do NOT want socialized medicine and support McCain/Palin

* I’m an ATHIEST who could care less what what Sarah Palin believes and certainly don’t begrudge Christians their believes.

* I am PRO-CHOICE and support McCain/Palin.

* We are the best and brightest country in the nation. I believe we can increase our own sources of oil and nat. gas without destroying the environment. I am NOT sold on the % effect that man is having on global warming but strive every day to decrease what it is I do.

* Proof please, not hyperbole.

* Proof please, not hyperbole.

* McCain voted w/ Bush 90% of time, Palin was a governor, so this argument is laughable. Obama voted w/ Dems 97% of the time. Who’s more likely to work across the isle?

Please PLEASE put some thought into your posts.

Respectfully,
Patrick

Well, jeez, maybe if he didn’t spend like a college freshman with his daddy’s credit card…

Anyone have any pics of the McCain-Palin rally in Ohio this morning? The crowd was HUGE! Post a link to the pics if you have some. Thanks!

FTR, I can’t stand Rush. He’s always been a bit arrogant, hypocritical and abrasive for my taste.

Why do you repeat Obama and his nutroots gang’s hate and lies. Why don’t read the earlier post today and others in the media that debunk most of your hysterical points? Or, are you stuck with a set list of Obama talking points and a nice full glass of Kool-Aid?

ah aha ahhahahahahah ah ah h a

that is hilarious…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

and most americans think rev wright is a racist creep + they wouldn’t have sat in that church for ten minutes…

i was hoping for a democratic president for christmas and what did i get? mccain! the hapless dims just don’t get it. try getting rid of dean, pelosi, and reid. that should help quite a bit.

Politics and elections are about principles not personalities.

Otherwise irrationality overwhelms reason.

And thus, another step in the deliberate dummying down of America proceeds forward…

Hey thanks RepublicanChick,
You’ve summed up the Obot talking points for the day. Now they can devote their time to more important tasks, like researching their candidate.

You are certainly right, the debates will be very telling. Barry should be doing his homework instead of accusing Gov Palin of ‘making stuff up’.

Your point is?

Do you really think that a vice president’s personal take on health care, the bible, etc. is going to be shoved through the channels of government without a whimper?

Stop with the Obot smearing points.

We really don’t care what color the latest flower is that Obama pulls out of his sleeve. We aren’t buying it or him.

McCain/Palin 2008 – because they’re really the only choice.

hey I like that too but the PURE thing just felt (clean) good? LOL

Meanwhile, the ever objective Nate Silver is pooh poohing the 20 point swing in white women. His idea of a headline is that…
Ron Paul will be on the Montana ballot.

Whoopee.

Sheesh, what a Republican site this has become.

Where is Larry? And what have you done with him?

But isn’t it a September surprise that the MSM will have to cover in some way…with the great article posted here BO is already hemorrhaging…now Rev.Wright”s pecker gets in the way!

You cannot make this campaign up..no one would believe it.

The best thing for the future of the DNC, is to lose either NY or California. Perhaps that would wake the party up.

Kate…

If the election were about principles and not personality, Hillary would be the candidate right now..get real.

Yup, and that’s why we have Barky as our Democratic nominee.

ooooo nice bulleted talking points.

Not Republican dear, it’s people using common sense. There are many issues here that those of us frequenting the site now differ on. We are all simply tired of being used by our parties.

yes,

this couple went to Rev Wrong for marriage counseling… oh dear…

the audacity of hope… ahem…

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/report-jeremiah-wright-has-affair-with-another-mans-wife/

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

are you talking about that rock star american idol guy you and Oprah love? the one whose “principles” are a set of moving targets, crafted by marketing?

spare me!

if you were really opposed to the “dummying” of our country you’d be for Nader!

And it is nearly impossible to pick a good whine to go with it ….

Utah?

Hah!

They (Obama Co) might get up to a third of the vote, but that would only lower the percentage by seven or eight points for the GOP.

Offer us?!?! They held our nose and tried to make us swallow that option.

well I feel better knowing there is (or may be) a true majority in the house and senate which will offset the McCain/Palin ticket.

I think this is what Bill C meant when he said (paraphrasing) do you go with the guy who you only agree with half the time but you KNOW can get things DONE
or with the guy you agree with on policy all the time but you know he won’t get anything done

(cuz bho never has) my add

There is usually a lag between national and state polls, so not too concerned with electorial map right now.

.. but it does bring up the point: the race is far from over so keep working hard in your area, don’t give up!!!

I agree with most posts…I lived in Utah for 4 years…Obama has no chance with the large Mormon population…it is really that simple..

In Utah, all mention of religion is around “the church”. The values of the Mormon faith are mirrored in Palin…family first.

Kate

Your post is absolutely ridiculous. I would love to see your documented reports that support your claims that “most” Americans feel the same way about each point you expressed.

Or did you mean to say that if someone doesn’t believe as you do that they must not be American?

Nevermind…most Americans know that’s exactly what you believe.

I don’t buy any real shift of votes to Obama because of Rush. A few yes, but the shift you are seeing now is clearly Clinton supporters leaving the Democratic party–now being Obama.

In order to make up for what McCain is getting through the RNC and with matching funds, that 60 needs to be 240. Less than that he is screwed.

No, we demand proof. That would be a liberal/Democratic trait, at least it was until the DNC lost its fucking mind.

GALLUP TODAY reporting,

September 9, 2008
McCain Now Winning Majority of Independents
Majority of independents now prefer him over Obama, 52% to 37%

Amen.

Um, Limbaugh told people to vote for Hillary. How does a vote for Hillary help to make Obama the democrat nominee?

PUMA W00T!!

You throw the term ‘republican’ around with such derision. Is it wrong to belong to a political party? I don’t like it when Right-Wing-Nuts (the opposite of Left-Wing-Nuts) come here and toss the term Democrat around in a bad way.

This election has been so enlightening, and the biggest enlightenment for me is the fact that those who HATE opposing views are usually those with the WEAKEST framework on which to stand.

*sigh*

Still, though, nothing more fun than an easy debate.

Take care,
Patrick

Hillary backers come to defense of Palin Jonathan Martin

Sept. 9, 2008
Yahoo News

The leaders of a women’s political organization that launched earlier this year to support Hillary Clinton are speaking out against what they say are examples of media sexism toward Sarah Palin and urging members to tell the press corps “to back off.”

‘WomenCount’, a group co-founded by top Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell, posted a lengthy item on their blog decrying questions over whether Palin can, as a mother of five, juggle her family responsibilities and still be vice president.

“The very notion that Sarah Palin should not have accepted this nomination because she is a mother with demanding challenges underscores just how far we have to go,” wrote Rosemary Camposano, the group’s communications director.

She added: “It will be good for America to watch Sarah Palin on the campaign trail – bouncing from parenting to politics. That’s how most women function – multi-tasking, leaning on friends and family, and waking up each morning and doing it all again.”

The group notes, however, that they do not approve of Palin’s politics. “We cannot pretend that Governor Palin meets any standard of progressive politics or social values,” Camposano writes.

Unlike other feminist organizations which have taken up against Palin because of her conservative views, however, WomenCount says they’ll “work to stamp out sexism when we see it on the campaign trail.”

“To paraphrase the words of one blogger who said it best over the weekend: We will defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we like her or support her, but because that’s how feminism works.”

WomenCount was founded earlier this year by Buell, once the head of Esprit and now a full-time philanthropist and activist, when Clinton was urged by some to quit the race. The group pushed back against such sentiments and has since contributed to other female candidates. They’ve also yet to endorse Obama

Clinton herself took to the campaign trail in Florida yesterday on Obama’s behalf and urged voters to support the Democratic ticket. But, prompted by one spectator, she declined to take after Palin.

“You know what? I don’t think that’s what this election is about,” Clinton said at a rally in Kissimmee. “This election is about the differences between us and the Republican Party,”

Maryland is blue and 29% AA. Just curious as to why you think it would go McCain. Also, need to watch FL. McCain has slipped some there in polls. Others say it is because the Jewish community does not like Christian Fundamentalists. O has slipped in PN but I don’t know if McCain has enough time to take the lead.

The first Pres debate is 09/26 (17 days) and the VP debate is 10/08 (24 days).

Its OK as long as you have waffles for desert.

If that 19 point advantage among the true independents holds up, Obama is history.

But this really shouldn’t come as all that much of a surprise. In competitive races (which excludes Nixon in 1972, Reagan in 1984 and Clinton in 1996) US predidential elections since Nixon’s election in ’68 have shown a marked tendency to move towards the Republican candidate late in the game. Gerald Ford almost caught Jimmy Carter with a late surge in 1976. Ronald Reagan pulled away from Carter late in 1980. Bush 41 did the same thing with Dukakis in 1988. Bush 41 made a late run at Bill Clinton in 1992 and, had it not been for Ross Perot, probably would have beaten him. The electorate made a late move to Bush 43 in both 2000 and 2004. In competitive races, self-described independents tend to break for the Republican candidate late in the game.

This year, I’m betting a lot of those “independents” are actually people who used to be registered Republicans and who don’t care for Bush 43 and his crew. McCain and Palin are giving them a reason to come home.

Utah?! That’s pretty strong Kool-Aid they are drinking. I’d give Obama 25%, maybe 30% at the very highest in Utah. In the details, he’ll likely even lose a majority of the Democratic vote as well.

Well, you could still get Hillary as Senate Majority Leader for Xmas. And Harry Reid glaring from his old seat on the floor.

C’mon Santa, be good to us this year

Yes, I missed that in my rush to comment on Rush. (I’d better get back to work)

This is similar poll numbers touted in the 2000 election with the Gore – Bush campaign.

With the numbers so close it is easy to steal an election (template available from the 1965 Civil Rights Commission Report on the 2000 Florida election turned over to Ashcroff for prosecution) and we know Soreto/Obama knows how to do it since he stole a sure win out from under Senator Clinton’s nose.

And, if Chicago is indeed the champion of election steals, with all Soetoro/Obama’s Chicago friends and their expertise it would be very easy to do. However, just like the Bush Supreme Court appointment, collusion among politicians who refuse to enforce the election laws and media who shade and/or ignore facts, must take place for it to be “official” and right now “officially”, in spite of voter anger shown by these polls, it is that in the end Soetoro/Obama will win. We can’t even get media or the Democratic party to investigate just what their official candidate’s name legally is!

And our two choices are the same ones we had in 2000, we accept his win or we fight back. And you know what it took before anyone in government fought back against GWB; I believe impeachment is still officially “off the table” and there is no official acknowledgement that Bush never won the 2000 election. Another decade is too long to end up right back here where we started in 2008. We need international election monitors in place now.

Exactly. I fully expect there will be some more pendulum swings in the next 50 odd days, so I’d caution everyone not to get too up or too down. And Rasmussen’s daily has it down to a tie again. However, the further good news is that Obama is barely hanging on in Michigan and Pennsylvania, and those are must have states for him. As I have stated in some old posts from months ago, the winner of the Ohio, WV, PA and KY vote plurality generally wins the election. Which is why they should have picked Hillary . . .

I did in 2000 for that very reason. I thought Bush and Gore were both dumdum 2nd generation politicians, and equally worthless.

And both have lived down to my expectations quite admirably. I assume Gore’s homes are still on the grid, correct? Even after he got the million dollar prize from Nobel?

Be ready for a new round of “there will be riots if Obama doesn’t win!”

Actually when he loses in a landslide there will be massive celebrations, singing and dancing in the streets of America’s bitter gun toting bible loving arugula hating religion clinging beer loving immigrant fearing heartland.

■ Most Americans want health insurance for everyone.

Most of us want to be rich like Bill Gates, but it still hasn’t happened. Even Precious hasn’t figure out a way to give everyone that type of money.

■ Most Americans are not biblical literalists.

Most Americans want peace on Earth and that’s not gonna happen anytime soon.

■ Most Americans favor a woman’s right to choose in abortion.

Some of those same Americans are complaining that Sarah chose to keep Trig.

■ Most Americans favor environmental protections and understand that global warming is largely caused by human activity.

You are absolutely correct. In my household, we believe Al Gore’s travels around the world “educating” people about global warming in his private jet creates a lot of global warming.

■ Most Americans believe the findings of science.

Most Americans grew up believing in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy. Talk about hoodwinked!

■ Most Americans do not think Tim LaHaye’s “End Times” with millions of non-Christians drowning in rivers of blood while Jesus cheers are upon us.

Yet, Tim LaHaye’s books have sold more than Obama’s. By the way, what does the Koran say? You’d be surprised!

■ Most Americans disagree with most of what has happened during the last eight years and with George W. Bush.

Yet, most Americans disapprove of the Democratic congress by a higher percentage.

Thank you, Kate! You’re special!

So why do you support a principled terrorist loving, hate filled church loving, pathological liar loving candidate in Barack Obama, you have no principles is obvious to see!

That is why I am so pissed at the whole DeaNC establishment. Not only that pile of stupid but what have the Dems done since being voted in majority in 2006. FISA, illegal wire tapping, illegal war, hearings(real), Plame investigation, etc., nadda, nothing. They have given Bush every dime he asked for. Someone remind me of the difference between the parties again please.

Nobama!!

Good values that should play with ANY religious-minded voter.

Domestic tranquility was not what the Dems had in mind.

In some democratic households not wanting to vote for “8 more years” and voting for Obama is creating intense friction in what would normally be a no brainier.

Does one vote for the Democratic “platform” and the immoral, Obama , who has no experience except when it comes flipfloppery..or

A person that has strong moral fortitude has given to his nation but does have a downside…

I am still trying to understand the visceral reaction to Gov. Palin among women voters. I may not agree with many of her positions but why the woman and woman “violence”?

I don’t understand that. I wish I did.

only we could have had this given to us still screw this up.

I don’t know how to post a link, but there is one pic in the Cleveland Plain Dealer blog. Very nice crowd.

haha, very nice

This year, I’m betting a lot of those “independents” are actually people who used to be registered Republicans and who don’t care for Bush 43 and his crew. McCain and Palin are giving them a reason to come home.

And now we have independents who use to be Democrats prior to Obama perverting the election process and stealing the nomination.

Ah, you read Fatimah Ali in the Philadelphia Daily News:

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness – and hopelessness!

Personally, I’m not sure whether to laugh or be offended. I have not read any of Ms. Ali’s other writings but if this is any indication, I am not impressed.

hey don’t blame americans… blame Dean, Pelosi, Brazile and Daley and their corrupt cronies…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Oklahoma!!?!?!

Not after the slam on Tom Colburn, no sir-ee!

We killed ‘im, and we ate his liver. 3 weeks ago. All those posts with his byline were done my ME, ME …. insane sobbing, wringing of hands.

How did you catch me?

Riots? I’m so far past ‘giving a shit’ that ‘couldn’t care less’ is just a dark speck in the distance. Let’em riot. It will just prove the right wing belief that the extreme left wing is mental.

“but why the woman and woman “violence”?”

I believe it’s because she’s pretty. See my thoughts on this here:

http://hillaryorbust.com/2008/09/damn-that-sarah-palin-shes-pretty/

Fluffy, do you have big, mean, nasty teeth? OMG. LOOK AT THE BONES!!!!

Exactly, Stacy. As a Republican, I have imagined the dreaded possibility of BO as POTUS and my uncontrolled, involuntary response…”He will never be MY President, never.”

I hope now any Republicans who supported Bush will regret looking down on anyone who rejected Bush as their president. I was a Democrat who rejected Bush. Now I am an indy who would reject Obama as president. In fact I would reject him more than Bush.

A lot of the people who gave during primary season are probably tapped out. Either that, or they see the race tilting towards McCain/Palin and they don’t want to throw good money after bad.

Guess maybe “The Zero” should have followed through on his 4-year promise to accept public financing.

Just wondering if Fox had done any reporting about Palin’s baby on E-Bay? If not, Hannity should get the story and run with it. I hadn’t heard anything about this story except on the internet, but that doesn’t surprise me. MSM is so BO friendly it’s disgusting.

Fluffy I did read somewhere that Gore pays extra per month for green energy…damn where did I read that….

Love the moniker!!

This is sooo true about the riots threat!

You are going to have to offset Soetoro/Obama’s setting in a racist, black supremest church god damning American for 20 years as an Illinois and U. S. Senator with more than what you have written on Governor Palin, especially since she has already vetoed some Alaskan bills that would have shown she was as bad as you say.

Who you callin’ “we?”

Did “we” go intimidate old ladies at caucuses in TX? Did “we” bus in Chicago thugs to intimidate voters in Iowa?

Did “we” shout it to the world that anybody who votes against Obama is a racist hick?

Nope, I’m not taking any “credit” for the Obama campaign. No thanks.

The Republicans are laughing at this riot crap. It worked with the chicken shit Dems though it is part of the reason enabling Obama to steal the nomination.

exactly…

Aaaaaiiiieeeeeee! LOL

Hillary backers come to defense of Palin, while Hillary refuse to attack Palin
http://countusout.wordpress.com/

I’m still trying to figure out when violence became a liberal value.

MSM is so BO friendly it’s disgusting.

The same MSM that brought you the Iraq war the loony left that supports Obama is supposed to decry. Bloody hypocrite bastards.

Haven’t seen a thing in the MSM exposing the truly vile nature of the angry left Obots. At least the subject is coming up, however tepidly. When asked about the smear tactics aimed at Gov Palin this morning on FOX, Bob Beckle agreed it was wrong, but proceeded to call Gov Palin Annie Oakley.
Annie Oakley again?
(The FOX crew giggled.)
The media has as little sense of acceptable humor and human behavior as does Obama and his lemmings.
If the E-Bay story were covered, it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine them snickering through the coverage.
Despicable.

Obama and Biden voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere – and voted AGAINST appropriating the funds for Katrina victims!

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1770

Obama is stupid to hold Palin accountable for her positions on the bridge WHILE campaigning for governor – then as governor, deciding the money would be better used for other projects after the bridge received so much negative attention.
Palin responded to her constituents.
Just think of Obama’s flip flops WHILE campaigning for president. Who knows where he stands on the issues from one day to the next?

More sickening bullshit from Ayers…
http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/09/comic_strip_4.jpg

OMG, the comments were awesome. So. Sick. Of. The. Race. Baiting.

People are starting to see Obama falling in the polls and people don’t like giving money to someone they think will lose. It will be much harder to raise money but he will try to cheat, Money from other countries, more from the Soros people, he will do ANYTHING to win.

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

Neal Boortz has it under his “reading assignments” section. If he has it, then Sean Hannity does as well.

Extremists always embrace violence. These are faux liberals obviously.

Wow, C.S., you sure are hitting the nails on their heads. And how do we get the international community engaged, as well as activate the US legal system?

you aren’t helping your cause, you are helping to sink Obama.

We will take all of the help we can get to sink Obama.

That was the day after the coronation. Others thought they looked hung-over. Bad time to have Sarah Palin sprung on them! Ha ha, Mac has a wicked sense of humor, bet he had the whole scenario pictured, based on that “Job well done” video and the twinkle in his eye.

Wow. Great response to Gloria Steinem’s editorial attacking Sara Palin that appeared in the September 4th Los Angeles Times:

“The X Factor”

http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/09/the-x-factor.html

Good for Hillary not attacking Palin. She’s still my girl. How many times do she and her campaign have to spell out that she isn’t obama’s personal attack dog? What I’m seeing is HRC being set up for Obama’s defeat in November. Me thinks at that time, Hillary will permanently leave the Dem party and become Indie. She doesn’t need this shit. no woman does. Stop being a patsy, Hillary. Take notes from Gov. Palin. You’re gonna be all right.

Matthew,

Thank you so much for posting this. Let us hope it is indicative that the American people see through MSM b.s. and in the end, would rather vote for character, humility, experience and common sense than an empty suit — whether they agree with McCain on every policy or not.

Surely, McCain is not my first choice, but absent Hillary, my only choice. I cannot support a dangerous lying flip flopper. To this day I truly don’t know whether Obama is a far left liberal or a Republican in sheep’s clothing. I mean that. However, McCain has exhibited a willingness to work across the aisle on many occasions in his career and is no neo-con or idealogue.

Even though we should never have gone to Iraq in the first place, we are there now and have to clean up the mess we made. It is hard to justify America’s moral authority when we walk out of a place, leaving it worse than we found it.

Obama also doesn’ttake into account that it is harder to fault McCain/Palin on Iraq policy when they each have a child in active service. These are not chickenhawks like Bush and Cheney.

Also, I am sick of the elitist attitude defaming small town America. Besides the downright arrogance of it, Obama is being politically stupid and out of touch. This attitude is precisely why Dems lose elections and why Hillary would have won. She did not disrespect the voters.

The attitude of the Obama campaign smacks of the same juvenile self satisfied idiocy of MoveOn.Org’s “General Petraeus or General Betray Us” ad. You don’t get disaffected middle of the road voters to dare to stick a toe in your tent by insulting the career military man who has spent a lifetime serving his country. Facts only please, leave the frat boy slurs at home — they don’t play well.

People don’t forget slights like that. Every single one Obama made during the primary came back to haunt him at the Repub. Convention — where those remarks played out in front of a bigger audience than the false messiah had.

Folks, when responding to Kate, make sure you give her the respect she is due…she is not just Kate but THE KATE!

Remember, she’s the one who claimed to speak on behalf of all feminists when she told us that you can’t possibly be a feminist if Roe v. Wade is not your #1 issue.

Thanks for clearing that up, THE KATE!

Ya see Kate, Sweetheart…..

You keep saying “Most Americans” when in fact the statement should read “Most Left Wing Democratic Americans”. Do you have a Zogby in your pocket?

So let’s say 52% of Americans are in the far left area of this demographic. Let’s also assume that maybe 5% of that constituency does not hold your belief. That leaves 47% which is a liberal guess. When this reflects about 40 million out of 320 million Americans, how does that reflect “Most Americans”?

With all due respect Kate, Sweetheart go sell crazy someplace else and……don’t expect Hillary to dig Obama out. Hillary will not be put into a position of Obama telling her “Hillary, make sure you don’t get any on my suit”

What is it with you folks thinking that you are the end all of cognitive thought?

Hillary and Bill are handling this perfectly.

No way, No How, Nobama……..and the American voter is just waking up to the General Election.

McCain/Palin 2008

Clinton 2012

HillBuzz has a story about this..reminds me of the intimidation of the caucus’s..and the screaming by Obamabots at Hillary senior citizen women..

do these pigs ever stop?? ..well it is up to us folks to stop them ..for once and for all!!

from Hillbuzz…

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/money-problems-for-soetorobama-are-more-serious-than-we-first-thought/#more-4182

Money Problems For SoetorObama Are More Serious Than We First Thought « HillBuzz#more-4182

A New York Times article came out today that states SoetorObama’s decision to break his word on public financing for his campaign is probably a colossal mistake.

Here in Chicago, we’ve been telling you about the desperation of SoetorObama’s bundlers. We’ve tagged along to about 6 different fundraising parties for SoetorObama, where Clinton people, in particular, are practically screamed at to ante up money to fund SoetorObama. Over the last month, this has gone from cajoling into literal screaming and yelling — and loads, and loads of threats.

We’ve been personally told that if we don’t raise money for SoetorObama, we’re going on “a list”, and SoetorObama’s people will make sure we never do any political work for the Democratic Party here in Illinois again, and will stop getting invited to all the big political events in Chicago.

Ohhhhhhh….we’re scawwwwwwwwwwrd. Go ahead and bring it, we say, because all of these clowns are already on Hillary Clinton’s naughty list, and brother, we’ll let you in on a secret, you don’t ever want to be on that list. It starts with Bill Richardson and Claire McCaskill and works its way through all sorts of awful people, ending, we presume, with all of SoetorObama’s bundlers — who, incidentally, have broken their promise to help raise money for Clinton’s debt.

Good. I hope they do riot. It will only PROVE that this entire Obama candidacy has been a FAIRY-TALE from the beginning, and that his supporters–whatever color or class they may come from–are nothing but FASCISTS, who have gotten this far by threatening anyone who questions or criticizes Obama’s character or policies, experience or qualifications for President.

I’m SICK to DEATH of being called a racist because I won’t vote for a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, a Con and a fraud.

COUNTRY FIRST. McCain/Palin.

Yeah the Obots actually had a “money bomb” going for the democratic party in Oklahoma one night. They bragged the next day about raising over $10,000.

THE KATE HAS SPOKEN!

I posted the full story upthread, nobody remarked
on it, so here it goes, again:

I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT

Hillary backers come to defense of Palin

Jonathan Martin
SEPT. 9, 2008
Yahoo News

The leaders of a women’s political organization that launched earlier this year to support Hillary Clinton are speaking out against what they say are examples of media sexism toward Sarah Palin and urging members to tell the press corps “to back off.”

WomenCount, a group co-founded by top Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell, posted a lengthy item on their blog decrying questions over whether Palin can, as a mother of five, juggle her family responsibilities and still be vice president.

“The very notion that Sarah Palin should not have accepted this nomination because she is a mother with demanding challenges underscores just how far we have to go,” wrote Rosemary Camposano, the group’s communications director.

She added: “It will be good for America to watch Sarah Palin on the campaign trail – bouncing from parenting to politics. That’s how most women function – multi-tasking, leaning on friends and family, and waking up each morning and doing it all again.”

The group notes, however, that they do not approve of Palin’s politics. “We cannot pretend that Governor Palin meets any standard of progressive politics or social values,” Camposano writes.

Unlike other feminist organizations which have taken up against Palin because of her conservative views, however, WomenCount says they’ll “work to stamp out sexism when we see it on the campaign trail.”

“To paraphrase the words of one blogger who said it best over the weekend: We will defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we like her or support her, but because that’s how feminism works.”

WomenCount was founded earlier this year by Buell, once the head of Esprit and now a full-time philanthropist and activist, when Clinton was urged by some to quit the race. The group pushed back against such sentiments and has since contributed to other female candidates. They’ve also yet to endorse Obama

Clinton herself took to the campaign trail in Florida yesterday on Obama’s behalf and urged voters to support the Democratic ticket. But, prompted by one spectator, she declined to take after Palin.

“You know what? I don’t think that’s what this election is about,” Clinton said at a rally in Kissimmee. “This election is about the differences between us and the Republican Party,”

They won’t riot in the streets. They’ll riot in a virtual space. No store window will safe from getting smashed by a test message.

McCain/Palin Ohio rally

http://www.wcpo.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=e6c9c305-8cf1-424f-b9e5-821a16ed31a4

Twenty years ago for Barack when he befriended Ayers, Dohrn, and Klonsky. He toned it down a bit–removed the bombs–and put it to work with Public Allies, put Michelle in charge of the Chicago chapter (Chicago Public Allies), directly worked with ACORN and later gave them millions of dollars, including during the current campaign. For Obama, a life-long friend of hate-filled preachers and terrorists, violence is a liberal value.

for a great read on the f’ing hypocisy of Fauxbama:

savagepolitics.com/

What Hillary needs to explain to some of us is what is the idea behind this Robin Hood attitude of Obama’s or as Biden says paying taxes is patriotic.

We all pay taxes but I sure as hell don’t want to work hard make my money then have the government take it from me and give it to people that want to sit on their butts all day.

So rather than Hillary running all over the place telling all of us to support this fool she better start to explain just what the hell he wants to do with my hard earn money.

Check is NOT in mail. Whaaa!

I guess “Mohammed the cab driver” doesn’t like being ethnically profiled by BO.

I flat out reject BO for saying this. He takes very cheap shots at his opponents and without thinking twice will use stereotypes that demean whole populations.

I I I I I I I …. just the checks…

THE KATE HAS SPOKEN! AGAIN!

She isn’t dr.Kate so I don’t give her any respect that I reserve for dr.Kate.

“ok people, time to pony up”

Pit bull? A mean b, in other words?

That’s feminist?!?

he wants to do with more taxes just like you said…allow people to sit on their ass all day, have more kids and sponge off of hard workers.

A lot of the people who gave Obama money in the primary were Republicans on a Rove mission. They have returned to their Republican base and they will not be sending any checks to Obamaland. Did they not know this? Were the Obama folks so full of themselves that they believed those Republican checks were going to keep on coming? WOW. If this is how they think, hey I know a bridge in Alaska you really should buy.

Here’s a new Newsweek article on the subject:

Sliming Palin”

I’ve seen quite a few lik this today but they are still lost in the cesspool of hate and lies being spewed by Obama, his cult and netroots gangs, and his adoring media.

I read it before, but I didn’t comment. Sorry about that. Thank you for posting the full article!!

What really needs to occur is to trace these lies and hate to their sources—to out Obama and his campaign for them. Shame him for all of this trash.

fred – Thank you for posting the link!!

My cousin and all her kids just moved to Ohio. That might tip the scales

If there is to be riots that’s okay because according to all the polls coming out now Obama’s mobs will be in the minority. They are now outnumbered and the numbers are growing. And they will be singing “Can’t we all just get along” LOL

No, honey – the mean b*tch, that’d be you.

I’m a life-long Democrat, but more importantly i’m a beleive in Democracy, which is why I will NEVER vote for Obama.

We shall not forget the caucuses easily.

. . . plus, i like it when it’s a sloooowwww slide . . . almost glacial, if you will. or maybe an arm-wrestling contest that lasts for an hour — slowly, slowly, our side is winning. they’re desperately fighting, sweating, gasping, farting until their slimy hand gets slammed to the table for good whilst they shite their pants/panties.

they can see it coming, but it’s so monumental that there’s nothing they can do to stop it! every day then holds a new surprise as we check in with the numbers: rassmussen, gallup, usa today, cnn . . .

doncha love it?!

patience, baby, patience

Great thoughts!

Thanks,
Matthew

QUOTE

“Good for Hillary not attacking Palin”

That really was the main point, for me, in this
article! I was so worried that THEY ‘leaned’ on
her so much, that she had to cave in….

HILLARY IS A STAR!!

“You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,”

“I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann [2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate] been the identical candidate that he was — well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so.”

Ed Rendell
Gov. PA

I just saw part of a debate she had in Alaska with Knowles and some other guy.

I’m very disappointed not only is she pro-life
she really is rabid pro life as she is against stem cell research (even the embryos that get tossed out better to dump them than use them for research?????) that is nuckin futz

I’m very disappointed

Where is John McCain on this.
I am disabled, btw, (I’ve mentioned it)
stem cell research would HELP ME SARAH!!! Am I not worth help? Who are you to judge? Your GOD didn’t tell you to NOT HELP ME did he?

just asking

I’m very disappointed and I hope she clears this up or John makes it clear he is PRO stem cell research!

otherwise they’ve really lost me (and that makes me uber sad)

I just can’t vote 100 percent against my OWN SELF

that would be really stupid

someone, anyone? gulp*

People don’t forget slights like that. Every single one Obama made during the primary came back to haunt him at the Repub. Convention — where those remarks played out in front of a bigger audience than the false messiah had.

Simply bears repeating.

Good work.

I’ll go out on a limb though and say there was a seismic shift in opinion since last week.

Most Americans won’t vote for Obama in November. Your option at that point will be to move to Guyana with the rest of your cult.

That could be WHY they offered us Obama at exactly this time.

They perhaps figured, people are so fed up with the Republicans, they’ll take ANY Democrat over another Republican. And they decided to make use of that to get one in, that has leanings so questionable, he ordinarily wouldn’t have a chance.

Ani, yes we should have went to Iraq. Not under the false premises of this admin. However Saddam has butchered hundreds of thousands of poeple and funded terrorism(NO, Not Al-Queada).
A democratic allie in the mid east is priceless.
That whole region want to see the fall of our civilization as we know it.
Because we are in Iraq we have a base to attack from.

Iran is sandwiched by us in Afghan and Iraq.

War is a pillar of civilization. War has been occurring since the dawn of time and will continue til it’s dusk.
The world is a huge power struggle and we must be strategic in our dealing with it.
What we have done in Iraq is amazing. We gave those oppressed poeple freedom. Freedom, they would have never realized had we not taken saddam out.

Also, my favorite president Bill Clinton would have taken out Saddam if it were not for Monica.
It is not as if we all the sudden decided to overthrow the gov’t there. It had been mulled over for nearly a decade.

If iraq stays on this path of success it is currently on we will have unique position in the middle east to affect the rest of the region in several ways.

I find it sad that my party(former party) has politicized Iraq and turned it into a club to win elections and feed off poeples fears and hopes.
That is the obama candidacy. Feed off misconception,les,fear, and play with the emotions of americans looking for something better.

I am going to vote for McCain, but believe me, I’m still a democrat as I know many here are.
But adopting Republican talking points to discuss taxes isn’t something I’m prepared to do.

Hey Kate, last time I checked McCain was running for POTUS, Palin is running for VP.

Then it is time for Brother Maynard to bring out the Holy Hand-Grenade of Antioch.

I want Universal Healthcare, but doctors, the insurance and pharmaceutical industries don’t and these people have donated heavily to 0bama’s campaign. They were the force behind bringing Hillary down. 0bama won’t get it for us.

The Bill of Rights protects our religious freedoms. Did Bush do something to this document that I don’t know about?

A lot of people are Creationists and I think they’re wrong, but I respect their right to believe what they choose as long as they respect mine.

I need a link verifying that Palin is against abortion in cases of incest and rape. But isn’t the Catholic church too? Andyway a VP or even the President doesn’t have the power to change abortion laws. If they did, then why didn’t Bush do it? He’s had 8 years.

Link please with regard to Palin’s environmental positions.

She’s a Republican she’s going to agree with Bush.

Bush is still waiting for the Rapture. As far as people drowning in rivers of blood, well I’ll leave that one alone.

cdo, McCains position on taxes is the right one.
Do you honestly believe it is american to redistribute wealth?

McCain needs to go after Penn. with all of those bitter people clinging to their guns and religion.

I’m with you 100 percent. Respect women today, tomorrow and always.

Whoa! Are you the Holy Grail Monty Python BUNNY? THAT BUNNY?

I want your autograph! In blue!

Sorry Miss Berry I just heard Sarah say it herself in a debate someone posted up thread!

Here is the link

it’s a long debate
I only got half way through (when stem cells come up)
but that is AFTER the questions on life, assisted suicide, abortion, and a few others that could be judged as ANTI GAY

I quit watching it half way through because I felt nauseous

back to the fence for me (damn)

No, bitches are smart and are a threat. I get called a bitch all the time. I now take it as a badge of honour. My old moniker was Strawberrybitch, my weightbelt has bitch written across it. This Kate child/thingy isn’t clever enough to be considered a bitch.

Palin’s father is a science teacher. She has stated that she does not reject science at all. She attends non-denominational churches; left the Assembly of God because of some of its views (Parents were not members) and now attends non-denominational. I do not see anything in her political history in Alaska that indicates Sarah is a religious fanatic bent on bringing her religious views to the office.

They will probably discover Wright has AIDS and he will claim the US government injected him with it.

Why talk in the gutter? You obviously prefer to support Obama based on lies and hate. Fine. But do you need to use or suggest derogatory names for Palin?

If your only issue is abortion-rights, do you really think that Palin or McCain are going to outlaw them? Get real. Congress is now and will very likely remain in Democratic hands. Republicans, like Democrats are of mixed opinion on abortion. As someone else pointed out, Senate Majority Leader Reid is a staunch opponent of abortion–a Democrat. Even Biden says he’s pro-life.

Neither McCain or Palin are extremists and neither appears to ahve ever pushed their personal and religious agendas, if they have one, on anyone else.

I really think you are getting worked up over a non-issue. The election is really about character, honesty, and intrigity. All that Obama lacks and all that McCain and Palin offer.

For the first time in my life i’m going to be cackling with glee if the Repubs win!

I was a “Hillraiser” and I received a letter of solicitation from the Obama campaign. I am disgusted that my email address was given to them. To voice my disapproval, I wrote “0″ in the alloted space for amount and signed ” a Clinton Democrat for McCain/Palin.”

someone tell me the truth on McCain’s stances on stem cells

I would think CINDY would be pro-stem cell instead of discarding them in the garbage (much like that late term they claim was dumped)

seems to me, unless she’s planning on full out assault on outlawing abortion those stem cells will continue being DUMPED

she can’t be FOR THAT???

Bravo! WomenCount stands tall!
Hillary’s statement in Florida..
“You know what? I dont’t think that’s what this election is all about..”, shows that she will not
attacking Gov. Palin personally.
This has the OB’s campaign in a bind. They have
others that they are turning to and should look to
for H E L P!!! Kathleen, Claire, Janet, and Nancy.
Funny thing. I saw Gov. Sebelius on some program and
she didn’t “attack” Gov. Palin either. umm
Can you feel the “inner smiles glowing from within”
Bill and Hillary? The frowns on the faces of the
superD’s who went “like sheep” for OB.
These Gallop Poll numbers have Democrats, “on their
heels”.
No one can dispute that Sen. McCain’s choice for
VP has been a successful gamechanger and Gov. Palin
has gotten off to a great start.

HILLARY 2012

Obama thinks he can take Montana too.

? based on what?

Obama has called for raising a range of taxes and rescinding tax cuts as well. Remember what happened to the the last two people that did this: Mondale lost and Bush, Sr. was equally embarrassed.

I am not interested in anyone raising my taxes! Tell me how you are going to control spending, do more with less, and, yes, lower my taxes.

pinay46 – you rock!

I am comfortable in thinking that McCain and Palin will take Virginia and Maryland handily.

Virginia, absolutely. I’ve been telling the Obots from day one that VA does not go Dem, not this election, not nohow.

Maryland: Absolutely not. Never. Maryland is a lock for Democrats; the one Republican congresswoman who held several terms here was a very moderate Repug (practically a Dem) and even she was booted out in the Purge of 2006. Our first Republican governor in decades got booted after one term. No, we’re as blue as blue crabs (a fact I’m happy about btw.)

let these idiots hang themselves.

Most obama supporter can move the china. there you can have all the abortions you want, and someone else to choose your president for you. If china is too far, try cuba.

Most obama supporters can move the china. there you can have all the abortions you want, and someone else to choose your president for you. If china is too far, try cuba.

I didn’t get that from pit bull. I took the pit bull to mean not one who gives up easily or one who is fearless in the face of their opposition. But you have another definition that seems to fit the agressive vicious attacks of the Obama cult.

They are also talking about Obama healing the world and parting the seas. I don’t think Obama even knows how to inflate his own tires.

Lieberman’s speech asking all to cross over,maybe had something to do with the increase..He may not feel confortable with a Obama Presidency.imo

He’s up almost 40 percent with pure independents and conservative democrats.

uhm, can not agree with this at all.
imo,
we absolutely did not need to invade Iraq.
and the first half of our involvement there was criminally incompetent.
but the reality of TODAY is, we are there.
and things are better, relatively.
(i don’t believe bush or cheney has been calling the shots in iraq for quite some time.)
and just up and leaving could be as bad as going there in the first place.
*******
as an fyi, president clinton was not after sadaam. he was hunting bin laden during the monica bs. he was accused of trying to divert attention from his domestic problems when he launched a missile attack on a bin laden training ground. this was after the attack on the uss cole.

sigh

I swear this SHOULD BE A HILLARY PRESIDENCY!!!!

Those are fabulous photos!

How prophetic Clinton was on her choice.

Republican men are not necessarily afraid of their women, as leaders, or to help them win the Big Prize.

BHO has, throughout this campaign, shown a disdain for womanhood that is so reminiscient of
those middle eastern men who consider woman simply as chattel, property and useless baggage.
Never mind that he is married…that still doesn’t change an “attitude” about the female persona that exists in his core.

The primary campaign had alerted the republicans to the enormous female involvement and investment
in this historic race and candidacy of Senator Clinton, to the effect that they were supremely aware of the charisma that having a female finally on the top ticket, either as President or VP, would inflame and arouse such a large voting electorate block as the females aged 35 and older, even some men.

The arrogance of the DNC and the BHO campaign has foolishly squandered the enormous appeal that the Senator Clinton would have been to the democratic party either as presidential candidate or VP candidate.

Let the DNC and the BHO campaign go down in flames. They deserve it after treating this nation of citizens and voters as simply cheap fodder for them to play around with the voters, their votes and their choices of those pledged delegates that were appointed to the CLinton candidacy and campaign because of this nation’s belief that one vote, one person is still a holy standard.

Let the DNC and the BHO campaign and candidacy go down in flames, never to be resurrected again.

A vote for McCain/Palin is a promise to Senator Clinton that this nation won’t forget how womanhood has been treated. We will remember in November!

Sadly, this is indicitave of the kind of childish, paranoid mentality that would be roaming the halls of power in Washington during a Barack Obama presidency. Thankfully, it now seems as though a majority of the voting public has figured that out.

Just to recap, we heard some of the same “riot” threats back when Bush won re-election in 2004. Nothing ever happened.

Hey katie, I could hit em all but let’s just do the science thing. I do believe she has already talked about creationism and is not interested in forcing that on anyone. The big point though is that her father was a SCIENCE TEACHER. Now I would guess he had some influence over her thoughts on this subject wouldn’t you? She respects both views and you would know that if you had really looked into it instead of just spouting the party script. Try again with some real research.

What an interesting election. Hillary people supporting conservative lady, and Pat Buchanan calling out MSNBC for misogyny.

I watched Palin’s TV Debate when she ran for governor.

Some of you may be interested in knowing that while she does have strong views on some social issues, she respects the views and she is not interested in being a moral crusader via govt. Her focus seems to be on more practical or financial/anti-corruption themes.

I dont think you have anything to be concerned about from a legal pov.

Right – but we’re not mean – we’re smart b*tches!

The mean, stupid ones are the kos girls – and boys.

I saw that article. The New York Times likes to get on board with the winner. Remember they endorsed John McCain before they tried to smear him.
Obama is out of money? I say if the polls are like this in two weeks Obama should pack his bags for Chi Town.

Mathew, exactly. Obama is not even going to be able to do his cuts. They are the same ones Bill Clinton wanted to do in 92. Bill go to office and realized the budget was out of control and never cut them.
If you are a family of say four kids married and combined income is over $200,000 he is going to bang you for fifty percent. Do you think a Married family of four making a combined income of that is rich?
Also, McCain is going to make the EIC for families 7000 dollars. that IS the largest tax cut for middle class families in our nations history. That is fact, but the MSM of course ignores that and acts like his tax policy is bush’s.
Under Bush we have the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world. McCain is going to cut it to keep business’s here.
Nafta is not the reason jobs are leaving, horribly high corporate rates are. Obama wants to tax the guys cutting checks and give it to the guys they are paying.
Obama’s robin hood policy is a disaster. Cpitol gains, he is going to double. That affects everyone. No matter your income if you have stock you get banged. he is going to raise dividends. You cannot just reward the worker while you tax their employer into bankruptcy.
If you look at the two plans without a bias, it is common sense whose plan is really going to grow jobs and make us competitve around the globe.
McCain wants to reform unemployment which is modeled on the 1950′s. His education plan is good. He wants schools to answer to parents and students. Obama wants them to answer to union bosses. McCain wants good teachers rewarded and bad teachers to find a new line of work.
For anyone who questions Mac’s economic policy, they should really think about what Obama’s backwards tax policy would do.

Real Clear Politics has a generic congressional vote number that they track about every two to three weeks. It’s on the left side of the page, between the POTUS race and POTUS approval numbers. A month ago, the edge in the average was 10 pts for Dems. Now it is down to 5. As a comparison, when the Dems swept Congress in 2006, the generic vote was a anywhere between 7 and 15 points. The Gallup “snapshot” poll showing Mac un 10 also had a generic congressional of +5 for the GOP congressional vote. A Dem polling firm released one the same day showing +5 for the Dems.

So what does this all mean? It means all this talk about the dramatically reshaped electorate is just that — all talk. The numbers now show that we are in an electorate which heavily resembles the 2004 race. In 2004, Dems had between a 1 and 2 point edge in party ID and they were tied for generic congressional. Pollsters have been accounting for the “reshaped electorate” after 2006, but that seems to be a misnomer. If the demographics and the electorate conform to the 2004 race, BHO stand NO CHANCE of making it even close enough to steal, I think.

Take a look at this link. It shows a Pew poll from March of 08. A decided drop off of support for members of the GOP and a decided increase in indy voters. Could it be that those who were indy are now coming home to the GOP?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans

My feeling is that members of the GOP stopped identifying themselves as such — members of the Dem party enthusiastically proclaimed themselves as such — and some indys joined the fun the Dems were having. Now, many members of the Dems refuse to identify themselves as such (and will probably not vote O) and MANY, MANY members of the GOP have come home. That is why BHO is freaking out so much. That USA/Gallup snapshot poll might have been right on the mark — we’ll see in a week or two.

I love Savage Politics – visit there every day. And yes, great read this morning – thanks for the heads up.

I love it how everybody doubted Palin all weekend and after her speech John came out on stage like I told ya.

This worked for Sharpton and I believe it is the reason Obama is the nominee instead of Clinton. I am not surprised they are floating this idea out there. I wonder how many people are voting for Obama due to fear of riots.

yeah that was cool…

mccain rawks!!!!!111!!!1!!!!!!1111!!!

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

There aren’t going to be riots.

Yes, absolutely.

What’s unAmerican is to give additional tax breaks to the rich when the wealthiest 10% already own 71% of the total wealth of the nation,and the poorest 60% own less than 4%. That scheme–pushed by Reagan, both Bushes, and now John McCain–is part of what is destroying the American economy.

Contrary to prevailing republican political theology, wealth is not magically created by the upper 10%. It is created by the efforts of all of those below them. It rises from the bottom upward, it doesn’t descend from the top down. The prosperity of the wealthy and of the nation as a whole totally depends upon the work and creative efforts of working-class and middle-class Americans.

People are most productive when they are rewarded for their efforts with increased material comforts, greater security, and additional opportunities. The problem with the republicans is that when they say that, they’re always thinking of the upper levels of society.

If giving the already-wealthy even more actually had the effect of making our economy healthier, our economy would be very healthy indeed.

If you want a healthy economy, you’ve got to reward the primary producers of the wealth for their efforts, not the upper-level beneficiaries. We’ve got a situation now from the middle-class down where real wages are either stagnating or falling, and economic security is delining across the board. This despite historically high productivity levels.

How about Obama is still pouring money in these Red states. MO with 3 electoral votes LOL. He’s spending more money than they can count. Do we want a President who spends like this?

oh, and Mac is going to attempt balancing the budget and will cut wasteful spending. He has never, yes never. Requested and earmark in his career as a senator.
Obama says he is not interested in balancing the budget becuase he has more important things to do. Like proposing a trillion dollars in new spending with no way of paying for it.
He really did say that he has no interest in balancing the budget, it is funny to hear him complain of all the money we spend in Iraq but he wants to spend more money on things much less important. Such as loads of social programs so the gov’t can be in charge of nearly every aspect of our lives. America is great becuase we have drive and we work hard. Now, if Obama starts tossing money out to poeple, do you think americans will have that same drive?
Do you think poeple will strive for success when instead of being rewarded, you are punished with HUGE TAXES.
In america we applaud those with success. Not demonize them and take from them.

Hillary had the electoral map all rapped up when she left…She had over 300,when she was knocked out…I still love Clinton.

but Mccain/Palin will be just fine and safer

yes.

sometimes.

whatever it takes . . .

don’t like it?

tough shit.

LOL. I just see them as annoying now. Their little pond is becoming smaller by the day and they will be turning on each other as the water dries up.

Most Americans expect at least 50% honesty and forthrightness and consistency from their presidents.

Most Americans want presidents who are citizens and proud of it, not just when on camera.

Most Americans are not afraid of G-d or people who believe in one.

Most Americans apparently like Sarah Palin better than BO/BS, too, at least right now.

Most Americans are not bots.

Val, your link is spot on & is the reason why I adopted the screen name Eight Belles. From the get go I observed parallels between Eight Belles’ valiant race in the Kentucky Derby and Hillary Clinton’s stunning loss of the Democratic nomination even though the nomination rightfully belonged to her. All along I and many others have felt that Big Brown’s loss in The Preakness serves as a cautionary tale to Barack Obama who will also lose on November 4. Big Brown had an unfair advantage–a steroid boost. We all know how the whole Democratic nomination processed was gamed in favor of the now floundering nominee. From what I’ve read, Barack Obama is somewhat superstitious and carries around with him all sorts of pocket sized amulets. No amulet is going to get his ass out of the mire on Nov 4. We know what Axelrod, Brazile, Dean, Pelosi & Reid did to skew the nomination process in BO’s favor. We are well aware that widesperad fruad took place in caucuses.

Barack, beware of Big Brown’s fate. The spirit of Eight Belles lives on. We are pissed. Had you been a man of integrity you would never have accepted those votes out of Michigan and Florida that weren’t yours and actually belonged to Hillary. Truthfully, I could not see John McCain pocketing votes that were intended for someone else during the Republican primary. McCain has too much decency and honor.

Shame on you Barack Obama! Your fall from grace is imminent.

I so wish you had a video of “Over the last month, this has gone from cajoling into literal screaming and yelling — and loads, and loads of threats.
We’ve been personally told that if we don’t raise money for SoetorObama, we’re going on “a list”,

This so wrong on so many levels.

cdo, McCains position on taxes is the right one.
Do you honestly believe it is american to redistribute wealth?

the redistribution of wealth happens in every society on the planet. you do it in your own home…its called christmas.
please do not be suckered into thinking that this term some how equals communism. it does not.
think of it more as a check on rampant capitalism, which in its purest form leads to as much chaos as any other system that is left unchecked.
if you want to avoid having this country becoming an aristocracy (in which you and I and everyone on this board would end up as peasants) then you too believe in redistribution.
We are not all born with the same advantages in life. And the further down the ladder you are the harder it is to move up. A little redistribution goes a long way to keeping our economy healthy in the long run.

That said, do I trust Obama with this responsibility?
Hell no.
I wouldn’t trust him to walk my dog.
But that doesn’t mean I’m a republican. I have always found the “screw you, I got mine” meme to be shortsighted at best.

Heck, I keep looking over my shoulder expecting someone to snatch me off the street and send me to a gulag somewhere.

I’ve tried for some time now to get my name off the party’s national committees’ mailing lists. I have suddently also started getting Obama mails. I always send them back with a big PUMA written across them and a note “you pay the postage” on them.

New Gallup Tracking Out:

McCain still up 5! Strategic Vision now has Obama up ONLY 3 in Wisconsin and ONLY 1 in Michigan…BOTH within the margin of error. If McCain and Palin avoid any major gaffe’s over the next 14 days, look for the electoral map to begin to shift to shades of red or grey!

Take care,
Patrick

correction: we meant to write process and fraud

Barack Hussein Obama:

“My Muslim faith …”

Freudian slip
–noun
(in Freudian psychology) an inadvertent mistake in speech or writing that is thought to reveal a person’s unconscious motives, wishes, or attitudes.

The slip-of-the-tongue that killed the Obama campaign.

And the TRUTH shall set us ALL Free.

Down with Obama. Long live America. God bless America.

White women and Independents! Ha! Guess no one is listening to Gloria Steinem. I know I’m not.

Obama’s tax plan provides tax relief to 95% of American families. If you’re part of the 5%, you probably don’t want to vote for him. If you’re part of the 95%, you might want to listen very carefully to what he’s actually saying, and study the supporting figures provided by the Brookings Institution.

I guess I should put it this way…show me proof that she plans to force us all to convert and push her beliefs on us. So far, I haven’t seen it. I am a liberal and I try to respect others religious beliefs. Just don’t try and convert me. There’s where I draw the line.

good analysis!

Contrary to your theory of wealth creation, wealth is not a product of consumption but it rises from investments. Higher salaries do not produce wealth. Taking risks with capital and/or resources is what produces wealth. Work and workers is a resource, not an end in itself. So, your theory has no foundation in reality. The only way you can support your theory is to incentivize risk taking in people who from the fruit of their labor invest of their own accord and voluntarily in industrial/service activity. Rule number one for that is: savings. Savings and investment can only happen with a tax structure to incentivize it. The lower the taxes across the board, at all level of income, the higher the incentive to take risks.

I thought they looked sick…like a hangover. Too many Palintinis.

I can understand this hesitation, and let me try to help rectify it. I watched the same debate and picked up on the fact that the question was one of personal preference, and not a public policy decision. I believe he asked her her views and then asked if her daughter was raped, what would she do, and she said, “I would chose life.” That seems to be consistent with her views.

Now, she also has a track record of not imposing her views on others, and rather, speaking to the people and attempting to develop a consensus on culturally thorny issues such as abortion and gay marriage. In that debate, she was asked her own personal views and she answered the question asked of her — she did not place it in the context of policy.

As far as stem cell research is concerned, I again, understand your hesitation. However, major and rapid advancements have been occurring in the field that make embryonic stem cell research, for the most part, obsolete. We now have made tremendous advances in the adult stem cell field and I’m sure it will continue unabated for the foreseeable future. In the interest of full disclosure, I have always supported the ban on embryonic stem cell research because it seems entirely unethical to harvest embryos for the benefit of other people. However, I have always supported adult stem cell research because I thought that was the proper moral and ethical route to take. And it has been making tremendous advances that I hope will benefit you in the future. The stem cell issue has been used as a wedge and oversimplified — one must always distinguish between embryonic and adult stem cell research.

When looking at these cultural issues, everyone must always remember that Sarah and most Alaskans are very libertarian in their views on government, which should please many Dems. She seems to believe that government needs to get out of the way and let people make their own decisions. The manner in which she governs on these deeply personal issues seems to conform to these ideals. She will support efforts for referendums and constitutional amendments, but she will not impose her will on others through unilateral government action. IMHO, this is the kind of person we need to address these issues and develop a civil consensus on the issues.

Hope this helps.

i agree that Obama is an idiot and will only make a bad situation worse.
my point earlier was that I am not going to start adopting bad republican views to attack bad democrat views.

I actually always got that, and respected the dissent. We were essentially put in the same position that you all are in now. We had a candidate placed before us, and being the good little lemmings that we were, we voted for him. I have no idea how he won re-election. The most I can come up with is what my gut told me about Kerry. He came off as a snobby elitist. Obviously that doesn’t go over well with the populace. That whole “have a beer” thing is really quite accurate. Ain’t that a hoot?

McCain maintains 5 point lead over Obama in new Gallup Poll released this morning.

They made it clear why they pushed him onto us–Obama’s statement about how he believed his voters wouldn’t go for Hillary but hers would go for him–that wasn’t just coming from him. It shows how the party leaders messed over Hillary. They took the base for granted and made it clear to him that they were just counting on us no matter what. They are paying.

Wellington Webb, our ex-mayor fron Denver (Big AA guy and supporter of Hillary) said it well at our Congressional District convention and assembly. He basically said that we should look around and see that it’s always women who do the majority of the party’s grunt work. They’re the ones manning the phones and mailing and setting up the tables and doing the registration. They, like Hillary, are also doing the work about getting legislation passed. He praised her for helping him and the AA community in Denver when she had nothing to gain for it. Then he said something that had us all on our feet screaming He said we didn’t need a Black man to dispel the old myth about the superiority of the White male because women, like Hillary, of all colors have already done that.

Get over it Stacy! If you wanted Mitt Romney you are just out of luck! No one wants an old school republican anymore. Haven’t you noticed that the Republican party is a new party now? Good and decent and about reform, not just catering to the rich.

Best comment of the day. Thanks!

America respects John McCain.

America loves Sarah Palin.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/09/gall.gop1.cnn.jpg

That pic is from the BIG rally in Ohio this morning. HUGE crowd for McCain-Palin in Ohio! They are off to Pennsylvania for another rally later today.

The momentum is building for McCain-palin. Obama is tanking. Let’s keep it going America!

Stand Up! Stand Up And Fight!

McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary ’12

I’m no expert on the polls, but MONTANA?
Don’t think so. I live in Montana and around me are only little pathetic worn out Obama signs. Haven’t seen a McCain sign yet.
From knowing Montana, this leads me to believe that the repubs and others haven’t even woken up yet. When they do, this place will explode with McCain stuff. After 9/11,
it seemed like 2 out of every 3 cars had yellow ribbons, red white and blue ribbons, you name it. Obama is not going to do well here at all. These folks take their patriotism really, really seriously.

Don’t trust the polls in Fla right now..Fla has a huge population of snow birds that are homesteaded in Fla but go elsewhere in the summer months..( NE and mid west) most vote in Fla..giant absentee voting block..many many not back in Fla just yet..they stay up north for Indian summer..then start migrating south in October….
I don’t trust any numbers coming out of Fla just yet..

I see desparation coming out of Fla Dems right now..I am one of those snow birds…and I got so many negative emails yesterday about Palin..it was like a flood of emails nasty and all freaking lies about this woman.and most of them were copy paste jobs..and all the emails negative coming out of Fla..they must be seeing the internals and they must be awful for Obama..to have this kind of attack going on..it really reeks of desparation and is pathetic.

Ditto.

Ditto.

Ditto.

Ditto.

Ditto.

It is a little secret that is on every Democrats mind but no one wants to say it. But I will. Democrats are scared to death that it will be the Republicans who are the FIRSTto put woman in the WH. There I said it!

GO PALIN

The end result of ‘the great society’ mantra. But through mandates, Obama will impose cost down the line to states, counties and cities. The end result is higher sales taxes, property taxes, and user fees.

Ooooh Ron Paul? He should get about ten votes.

I didn’t say wealth was a product of consumption. I said it resulted from the production of goods and services, which are the actual wealth that we use, enjoy, and exchange. Money is just a means to facillitate the exchange of goods and services, or the means to store the earned right to do that at some time in the future.

Investment isn’t actually production. It’s only part of the exchange and storage process.

so, cdo, Obama’s tax plan is christmas?
That is my point. I don’t need the gov’t to give me other poeple’s mony. And i am certainly in the bracket that would get monet from robin hood taxation.
Unlike Obama i believe in pulling myself up by my own bootstraps. That is america.
I am married with 2 kids but i do not need nor want a handout.
To compare his taxes to christmas is quite telling about the way some view it.
American ingenuity is built on the promise of hard work and determination. Not the hardwork of other and the gov’t's determination to take their money and give it to folks who with a bit more effort could be where the “rich” are.
Success does not breed from complaceny nor hard work from handouts to those who do less.

It was the Republican tax cuts that got us into this mess in the first place, remember?

High taxes are historically consistent with a booming economy. Look at Bill Clinton, whose taxes led us into the longest economic expansion in U.S. history.

The much-touted “Reagan boom” occurred only after Reagan reluctantly raised taxes. The Right is wrong about everything.

I’m an Independent who supported Hillary, but no one told me to do it. I don’t listen to any radio commentators—let alone Rush Limbaugh.

agreed, and for Barky to win only his home state.

The DNC has to crash and burn before it can be rebuilt. To that end, Obama really needs to lose, and lose big.

i was just trying to write the same thing about the Monty Python killer rabbit. LOL

You are mistaken. Wealth = money.

OT, but such a good laugh!!!

O PASTOR IN SEX SCANDAL

REV. WRIGHT DONE ME WRONG: CHURCH LADY

SAMUEL GOLDSMITH in Dallas
and JEANE MacINTOSH in NY
Elizabeth Payne

September 9, 2008

He almost wrecked Barack Obama’s presidential dreams, and now firebrand pastor Jeremiah Wright has helped destroy a Dallas church worker’s marriage – and her job, The Post has learned.

Elizabeth Payne, 37, said she had a steamy sexual affair with the controversial, racially divisive man of the cloth while she was an executive assistant at a church headed by a popular Wright protégé.

When word of the unholy alliance got out, Payne’s husband dumped her, and she was canned from the plum job at Friendship-West Baptist Church, she told The Post.

“I was involved with Rev. Wright, and that’s why I lost my job and why my husband divorced me,” Payne said.

She refused to reveal when the adulterous affair started or how she met Wright.

But fellow churchgoers at Friendship-West “found out about the affair in the spring,” Payne said.

At the time, she was secretary to the Rev. Frederick Haynes III, a longtime Wright disciple.

In April, Payne organized a series of Texas public appearances by Wright, 67. Weeks before, Obama had disavowed his preacher of 20 years after Wright’s anti-government rants came to light.

“Liz was by Rev. Wright’s side day and night during those days,” a church source said.

“It’s all true,” said Payne, adding that she has filed a wrongful-dismissal claim with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to get her job back.

In an ironic twist, Wright last night spoke at an East Orange, NJ, church revival on the subject of “unexpected problems.”

“There’s no such thing as a problem-free relationship,” he told a packed Elmwood United Presbyterian Church. “In life, you’ll have unexpected problems.”

He punctuated his 45-minute sermon with evocative 1960s hits, including the Supremes’ “Where Did Our Love Go,” Frankie Beverley’s “Joy and Pain,” and the Temptations’ “Ain’t Too Proud to Beg.” He’s set to speak there again tonight.

Payne’s husband, Fred Payne, 64, said he learned of the affair in late February, when he discovered e-mails between his wife and Wright.

“There must have been about 80 of them, back and forth,” he said. “Wright said things like he was going to leave his wife for Elizabeth.”

Wright has been married to his second wife, Ramah, for more than 20 years.

The preacher reportedly wooed Ramah away from her first husband in the 1980s, when the couple came to marriage counseling at Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.

After discovering he had been cuckolded, Fred Payne, who had married Elizabeth in October 2006, headed straight for divorce court.

“I was downright mad about this bull- – - -,” said Fred, who said he is “in the oil and gas business,” belongs to a hunting club and makes his own bullets in his garage.

“People wouldn’t be happy to know that my wife was sleeping with a black man.”

He added, “Rev. Haynes doesn’t like the interracial thing, either. This was quite an issue for him.”

Elizabeth Payne said she has been banished by Haynes and the flock at Friendship-West.

“I’m not a member of the congregation anymore; I’m not even allowed on the premises,” she said.

Wright became an embarrassment for Obama after videos of the preacher’s old sermons emerged.

In them, Wright blamed the United States for the 9/11 attacks and boomed, “God damn America!”

Additional reporting by Austin Fenner

jeane.macintosh@nypost.com

Here’s simplifying it though: We are self-employed. The times that our profits have been good, we’ve purchased additional equipment (supports the manufacturer) and hired additional people to run that equipment. If we’re paying higher taxes, then we won’t be spending that money on the equipment or the employees. We’d layoff, they’d collect unemployment and now everyone has to pay for their lack of employment.

There are theories, then there are realities. One reality right now is that spending drastically needs to be cut.

There’s other sources for stem cells:

Cord Blood

Stem cells from cord blood
Nowadays, a lot of parents have their newborns’ cord blood frozen in order to give their children the chance to resort to their own adult stem cells in the event of a serious disease. In principle, this does make sense, because these cells seem to be less differentiated than the cells in the blood of adult organism, and they have higher potential for changing into different types of cells. These stem cells are also less immunological and therefore might be suited to use in foreigners.

Baby teeth

I think wisdom teeth are also a source for adult stem cells. I can’t speak for the pro-life movement, but I believe their issue is with embryos created for the express use of stem cell harvest. AFAIK they don’t have a problem with adult stem cells.

I don’t know if they are against stem cell research period…I believe their position is they don’t want taxpayer funds used for embryonic stem cell research. You’ll have to refer to their websites for that policy info.

you can’t put a price tag on the United States and the benefits of living here. I doubt Obama’s tax cut would actually benefit 95% of Americans and I am pretty sure it wouldn’t benefit me. I am single w no kids. I have yet to see anything substantial and detailed about how he would actually pull this off probably because he is full of it.

its’ the Brookings Institute, not institution and they have been in the tank for Obama since the beginning.

They are the left’s answer to the Hoover Institute at Stanford on the right.

As for Obama’s plan, look to his plan to be nothing more than a carrot to lull complacent Democrat’s into believing that he is really for the “workers” in this country.

Explain to me why he has a large portion of his support (financial) from Wall Street and hedge funds? How did Obama do for the Maytag workers back in Illinois he promised to “go to bat for” with the Crowne family.

Let’s even look at SEIU. Sure, on paper it LOOKS like a real union, but look closer. It is nothing more than a cover for the “Wall-Mart-ification” of the U.S. employee. Sure, you have a job now too, but is it the same kind of job that you had in the mid-90′s under Bill Clinton? No. Are you working harder and making less? Yes.

Obama gets you dumb saps to chant “YES WE CAN, YES WE CAN” while waving little red-covered copies of his book “The Audacity of Hope” while he and Oprah and Rev. Wright live in gated communities and occasionally throw a free t-shirt or a loaf of bread out of their carriage.

Most of Obama’s economic advisors come out of the “Chicago School” of economics; same as Greenspan, Richard Perle, and Richard Wolfe. His advisor Rick Davis was the lead lobbyist for the telecom industry and he was all for retro-active immunity for the telecoms. Guess who voted for retro-active immunity idiot!? Yeah, that would be Obama!!

Good observation Geoff. That could be a real possibility. However, maybe the NYT actually felt like doing some real journalism here and maybe didn’t seek Axelrod’s “counsel” on this. Maybe they ACTUALLY broke some REAL news.

On second thought, that is asking WAY too much!

Don’t you GET IT?
Palin is irrelevant.
Most Americans become outraged when their VOTE is over-ridden
because a few elderly senators are JEALOUS of the female candidate,
and because a billionaire spread money around to the media to kill
her off, and when that didn’t work, decided to steal the election from
her anyway.

Just get it all out! There, do you feel better? I know it hurts to back a loser(Obama), but when Maverick and Cuda get in they will make it alright. No don’t worry and go have some koolaid.

thanks, Patrick.
I always enjoy reading your comments.
You take care too!
cat

I never said Obama’s tax plan is Christmas.
I said Christmas is a form of redistribution.
I think we actually agree on more than we disagree.
So if you could step back from emotional rhetoric for a miniute…
I am a democrat. I am a democrat who does not trust Obama.
I am a democrat who thinks Obama’s economic plans are total manure.
That does not mean that the concept of redistribution, in its text book form, is a bad thing.
I think killing the Estate tax, for example, was total crap.
The estate tax is a classic example of redistribution.
It was put in place so that those who benefited the most from our society give something back.

haven’t read the response to Gloria. Don’t care to.
Gloria is right in what she wrote except for the strange jump she makes to think Obama is anything but a curse for women.

Don’t agree with Palin’s politics? Hell, I don’t either.
Aren’t buying the right wing hype that Palin’s a feminist? Hell, you’d have to be stupid to do so.

But Palin is real in what she is. She isn’t a bucket of smarm like Obama and Biden. She doesn’t look like she’s going to be pushing conservative social values on us with a zealot’s delight. She didn’t do it in Alaska, she won’t do it as VP.

Biden is pro-life (spew). Obama is pure pro-lie.

Therefore, I can see no difficulty for any feminist to choose to send Obama and his soiled diapers back to Chicago.

I respect Gloria. However, she’s wrong about Obama.

Here’s Kate again with her disinformation and confusion list…I’d never take her to be an authority on anything or anyone. Such a pest.

Sarah Palin was born a Catholic. She now attends a non-denominational in Anchorage. Most in Wasilla say she does not wear her religion on her sleeve.

She supports birth control and b/c education.
She supports abortion to save the life of the mother.

She is not anti-science. The most extreme position she holds on most issues is that more studies need to be done.

She is not anti-environmentalist – she has moderate stand.

I’ll wait to hear from Sarah herself on any appropriate information regarding her positions. After all, she’s only been in the limelight for a week. And finally, we all know here Kate, that the President and VP don’t make the laws. So bug off.

Yes.

Politics and elections are about principles not personalities.

Oh, my, an Obama supporter dares to say this when her candidate is nothing but a media creation, complete with the Hollywood movie set staged for his acceptance speech. Oh, and did you know his speech was #3 in the ratings behind McCain and Palin who just stuck with the good old-fashioned speech from the convention floor?
Funny how Obama and his supporters were happy for him to be a “personality/celebrity” until someone else came along and stole his spotlight. Yes, shooting stars all end up the same way don’t they?

No, it was uncontrolled spending. That, plus a war that was not paid for except by taking from other parts of the budget. Bush and Congress BOTH have their hands dirty on this on.

At least I’d trust McCain to actively and smartly use his veto pen. Obama? He’d probably sign the wrong doc, then claim error, just like he did so many times in the Illinois Senate.

That’s all we wanted from Clinton from the beginning.

But the Southern states with open primaries will always vote for the candidate they think as weakest in the Democratic Party…this time it was Obama. They want to vote against the weakest Dem in the GE.

That’s why you always see the entire South go red.

Wrong thread and place for this comment. Who cares about his religion? How about a nice discussion on polls, or elsewhere at NoQuarterUSA, a discussion on character, lies, corruption, and terrorism that Obama has 20 years of history on?

This nation was founded on Liberty and not Equality of Results.

The quickest way to destroy the soul of a people is to take away their incentive to escape being poor.

People should be compensated based on their contribution-PERIOD. Most disadvantages people have are by poor choices they made. If they were born into a disadvantaged home, there is nothing keeping them there. It’s called hard work and having character.

I like you, Chickie!

thanks

from everything I’ve read – adult cells are not as pure so testing is always delayed

and this still doesn’t answer what to do with the MILLIONS that are discarded every day????

it’s a creepy subject but one that is happening as we speak across the world and as one of those people running on that video said, the amount of abortions will NOT go down just because you put a law prohibiting it…………. they will only get more dirty and dangerous

sadly

thanks for replying though I do appreciate it

Strawberry,

That is entirely correct. That debate mostly is asking questions about personal views and not policy positions. From everything I have found she seems to be someone who wants to govern (pardon the cliche) for the people. Every time one of these “thorny” cultural issues comes up, she seems to say the people and the courts should decide.

I have no problem with this approach and I think it is entirely appropriate. I think everyone should watch the Charlie Gibson interview to get an idea of her. I think it will be pretty positive. As I said in a previous post, the Alaskan people are not all “Bible literalists” and they are very libertarian (meaning they don’t want government intruding on their lives). If she can maintain a 80% approval rating up there, I’m sure all of these “whacko” rumors are overblown.

baby teeth??? cool I had not read that

that takes the “put it under your pillow” tooth fairy story to a whole other level!!! lmao!

hey now…

…oh wait you mean the OTHER Reverend Wright!

Does Rev. Wright do the humpty – hump with the podium..about himself?????????

just wondering………

I can just hear the music now..

humpditty ..humpty..humpditty..hump..

..from the Church of Obama…
get the hump..

hands over head..move your body..

Humpditty humpty..hump hump hump..

its got the beat..ya know..

Money is purely imaginary. It’s just a means of keeping track of how much in goods and services you’ve created or provided to society, and how is available back to you in return. A dollar is an elaborately printed bit of paper.

Witness the 41% decline in the dollar since Bush took office. Nothing has happened to the value of goods and services, which are actual wealth. What has fluctuated is faith in the bit of paper that we use to facilitate our exchanges.

The reason for the decline is because the government is spending more dollars than it takes in, and pumping up the supply of dollars to cover the shortfall. We’re “backing” those dollars with increased debt–essentially, one IOU is backing another. We can relish the illusion of tax cuts. The tax is still there. It’s just taken on the form of a falling dollar.

I find this egregious when the tax cuts go primarily to the rich. They benefit from the cuts before the resultant decline in value catches up with the extra dollars they get to keep. They get us use them first. As they “trickle down” their real value dimishes further. It’s a sort of pecking order. The government is at the top, the rich next, and the working man at the bottom.

Obama’s theory is that the upper 5 percent has it in them to pay for all his social program increases. Not a bad idea, except that his increases in social programs are way more than what he is proposing to collect from them. That means that mandates will be imposed on state, county and cities. Clinton reduced the size of the military by almost 40 percent. Obama wants to be a war president, possibly initiating 4 wars. He expects to raise then even more taxes from the rich. The end result is economic contraction.

seriously I hope you are correct

I really do want a reason to vote FOR SOMEONE this year!!

It’s been since 2000 and I’m getting OLD!! lol

Obama has as much chance of WInning Utah as I have of Winning a Krumping Contest.

Obama’s plan is to promise everything to everyone and then not do a damn thing.
Just like he has always done.

Sure he does. WHy do you think he selected Washington DC’s Perennial Gasbag as his running mate?

He is just going to Hookup Joe to the nozzle and Leterr RRRIIIPPPP!!

I need a shower.

I think Drudge had this on today. Didn’t have time to read it, but think it is the same one.

Dawnelle…if you can get the video of the Saddleback talks, McCain was asked that question and he answered. Maybe that will help you view his position on stem cell research.

not you Jeremiah

I believe I watched part of that. I guess I missed that part. Wonderful to hear the above news of baby teeth being used.

I’ll have to look that up.

I just don’t like the idea of those frozen embryos being dumped. I know that’s only a small part of the whole issue.

I’m wrestling with it. I’m willing to do that.

Obama flip-flopped again on ending tax cuts for the wealthy. I’m trying to keep a record on Obama’s flip- flops. So far:
Knowing about Rev. Wright’ sermons and Wright’s mentorship of Obama
Accepting public funds for the general election
Gun ownership in urban crime areas
Off coast drilling
The surge in Iraq
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Tax cuts for the rich

Does anyone know more? Kate, does this sound like your boy? Do you think he wouldn’t flip-flop on abortion if he thought it would help his career?
I think this guy would even say he has become a Republican if he thought it would help his election!

Now there’s a fundamental tenet of the republican faith.

Where we disagree is that I believe that’s how the world should be, while you apparently believe that’s how it is.

There are millions of people born into situations where the deck is totally stacked against them from day one. I figure they’re owed far better opportunities to work their way up. Giving them those opportunities benefits everyone.

you mean THE KATE is really the KATE we have been waiting for? WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT

exactly right

I had been going to the AoG church for a few summers when I finally heard one of the ministers go OFF on “going to the drive in” and “evil movies” and “evil dancing” and I said – well next summer I’m going some where else!

(this was 30 yrs ago, mind you)

it’s all a choice

I still have fond memories though and hope they have changed their feelings on going to the movies and dances! LOL

it was a bit regressive – I admit (like we had no minds of our own) I suppose some lemmings don’t

You are welcome. There is no law banning embryonic stem cell research — there is just a ban on using federal taxpayer dollars for that purpose. Some states have financed the practice, such as my state of IL.

In my view, this is good policy. If a state wants to provide funding for universities, hospitals, and labs — and if the people of the state accept that policy — then it is good for the state. However, the states should probably decide these cultural issues rather than the federal government. If Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Alaska, ect. don’t want to fund this, that is their people’s right. If Mass., Ill., New York, and Calif want to fund it, that is the people’s right to do so. But to take federal money and pay for it when many state’s populations do not want this policy, I think is not helpful to our society.

Now on abortion. Abortion will NEVER become illegal. That is just a fact that most people have come to accept. It would be like trying to take away everyone’s guns — people would riot in the streets. The idea is to make them safe and as infrequent as possible. That means certain restrictions — many of which are already in place. The only areas where Gov. Palin has made policy decisions in this regard are in late-term abortions and parental notification. Abortion will not — WILL NOT — be banned if Mac/Palin get in.

As a law student, I have learned that Roe v. Wade was a pinnacle case that laid a foundation for the implied right to personal privacy. Since the right is implied and not implicit, the whole idea of the right is built upon case law. Personal privacy has been extended into so many areas of the law, that overturning Roe would collapse the whole argument for personal privacy.

Think of our law as a giant game of Jenga. You place one brick and build on top of it. That first brick is Roe and at first it provides a strong foundation for all the other pieces of personal privacy law to stack on top. But if you remove Roe, the whole pile comes tumbling down. Health care and medical privacy, sexual privacy, drug testing privacy — the whole network of privacy case law is collapsed. Roe is a foundation and will not be overturned.

Haven’t you heard. Obama flipped on tax cuts for the Rich. He supports the tax cuts for the rich now. Guess his big donors need more money to give him. Obama got all the money in the world from donations and blew it all. He would not have enough money for his social programs. Obama would sell out his own grandmother to get elected. Oh I forgot he already sold her out.

“From what I’ve read, Barack Obama is somewhat superstitious and carries around with him all sorts of pocket sized amulets.”

Wouldn’t it be alot of fun to hide BO’s superstitious amulets from him–even better throw them into the ocean never to be found again. —>I ‘ll like to be there to see him freak out.

By the way, there is something cult-like (UN-God like too; and I thought he was suppose be a Christian) the carrying around something like that

SOmeone asked about the Ohio ralley for MACDADDY and the MOOSEHUNTER
Here you go:

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/09/large_crowd.jpg

And here is the Story:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/09/HJN091008mccainreaction.html

Rally leaves crowd charged about McCain, Palin
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By Marie Rossiter

Staff Writer

Tuesday, September 09, 2008

LEBANON — While Arizona Sen. John McCain was the headliner on this ticket, it is clear his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, was a major draw today at the rally in Lebanon.

“Why are we here?” said Bill of Milford. “One word: Sarah.”

His wife, Lucille, agreed. “She is the first candidate that is the whole package,” she said. “She can relate to me as a woman, as a mom and as a person who shares my beliefs and morals.”

Nearly 10,000 people showed up to see McCain and Palin speak at the Golden Lamb in Lebanon this morning, Sept. 9, the Secret Service estimated.

People gathering to get a bite to eat after the rally were still charged up after the event.

Sheri Beck, 43, of Mason, a mother of three children, that she “thought the event went very well. I’ve never felt more passionate about voting. Up until now, it’s been about voting because you’re part of a party, but now I feel a personal passion about voting.”

Julie Fennessey of Lebanon: “It was phenomenal. I shook hands with McCain and got Palin’s autograph.” She and her party went through security and were hand selected by secret service to be in a small group right near the stage.

Palin was a big draw for her because she represents the working mom.

“Honestly, when the announcement was made, I did struggle some with the fact of her being a mom and balancing it all. But, as I listened to her today, I am leaning more toward the fact that she can handle it. She represents such a large group of women —that makes her so real,” Fennessey said.

In a campaign where change is a major buzzword, both Bill and Lucille said the McCain/Palin ticket offers something different than the status quo.

“They are people of their word,” Wemsley said. “And, they are real. People are just plain tired of sending representatives to Washington that don’t represent them. With McCain/Palin, we finally have people who represent us.”

Palin’s popularity is not only vocal, but in dollars spent. Campaign buttons with her picture or in support of her are flying off of concession stands around the rally area. “I’m selling my last two, You Go Girl buttons,”said one of the vendors as people crowded her display.

“She brings an excitement to the ticket,” said Mike Burleson of Blanchester, who came down to the rally with his wife, Kathy. “I just want to see them in person and hear what they have to say.”

Many women in the crowd are saying that they want to be here to witness history. Roxanne Barden of Fairfield came with her mother-in-law, future sister-in-law and some friends.

“I wanted to come show my support for John McCain and Sarah Palin and to help anyway I can to get them elected, Barden said.

Barden cited Palin’s efforts in Alaska to help make government work more transparent. “I love the way that she put Alaska’s government checkbook online — that is a great thing.”

Many women said they didn’t necessarily relate to Palin because she is a mother, but the fact that she is a woman who is intelligent and well-spoken.

“Washington insiders are scared because it is so different,” Barden said.

A small crowd gathered inside of Whit’s Frozen Custard to escape the rain and to grab a quick bite to eat before the main event starts. As people waited in line, there was much discussion on the event, the issues and the ticket, in general.

Frankin High School graduate Brandon Marshall is participating in his first election and decided that it was a good idea to come down and see the candidates first hand.

“I’m a Republican and I want to show my support,” he said.

Pat Teeters, originally from Middletown said Palin won her over after the convention. “I said, ‘baby, you’ve got me,’” Teeters said. “She is no-nonsense and that’s what I want my candidates to be.”

Marcella Churchill, another Middletown resident, said she has supported McCain since the primaries because of his stance on national security. Her son, Keith, is a corporal in the U.S, Marines and left on July 24, for his second tour of duty in Iraq.

“I like that they (McCain/Palin) are not afraid to buck the system and don’t always run on party lines. And, Palin is my age and she is a working mother. I think that people make such a big deal out of her being a woman, being a mom, because this is something totally new on this level —we’ve never seen it before.”

Churchill said all of the talk about Palin’s family and issues being a distraction is “something every working mother has to deal with every day and that is one of the things that makes her relatable to the people.”

Actually, I was referring to the Brookings Insititution. They’ve done a comparitive analysis of the McCain and Bush tax plans in conjunction with the Urban Institute. Both are non-partisan organizations.

Refer to the last paragraph of page one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/wireStory?id=5749815

So in your theory a volunteer is a wealthy person. Okay?

So in your theory a government that takes the most from its citizens produces the wealthiest economy.

So in your theory, consumers are the power engine of the economy. The government feed consumers, consumers consume, the rich collect the illusory dollars, who then pass it on to the government, who initiates the cycle all over again.

LOL..i know..i just kept thinking about Wright’s disgusting video humping the podium..I got the willies…and then i thought about Puff daddy..or P daddy what ever his name is..and i got to laughing..let him do a song about Wright..yeah right …that will happen ..not..

why is it all the scum bags all behave the same and then cry out about someone else?????????

Hypocrisy….it is alive and well in the dem party ..isn’t it!!

I’m very disappointed

Take heart, Dawnelle Leona Del Puma, other factors besides the president will come into play to assuage your dissapointment.

These are not easy times. As with the State of California investing a billion dollars on this research, the advances will come and I believe McCain would not thwart the will of Congress and if he does…

yes she really is (to me)

wouldn’t it be awesome if McCain would pick HILLARY to be something special in his administration?

Majority Leader doesn’t do it for me any longer as I have no feelings left 4 the left (well not many)

Sec of State?
gawd I hope he doesn’t choose Lieberdon’t for that

oo maybe a judge? (nah he’d never do that the right would keeeeeel him)

sigh

miss Hillary’s wisdom

I saw a discussion on the news last night about whether McCain could force Obama to spend money in California…usually a slam dunk for the Dems.

I see no evidence of any campaign activity around the Monterey Peninsula for Obama…other than Arianna Huff & Puff being here for a talk last night. Conference Center looked like maybe 300 or so in the seats…some empty…so maybe they think it’s a done deal. The Republicans, however, seem energetic. Opened McCain headquarters on Wed. nite in time for Sarah’s speech and there’s a picnic this weekend. Huckabee here this month too for an expensive fundraiser lunch in Pebble Beach I think. It would be fantastic if we could get CA to flip.

I mentioned in a previous post that Clint Eastwood gave a very big donation to McCain as well as Mike Love of the Beach Boys so Californians are beginning to come out.

So Obama’s talking about education? Does anyone else find that just a wee bit ironic from the fellow whose buddy is William Ayers? Don’t ya think Obama is being a little foolish in bringing up education?
After all his friend Ayers is a professor of education (although Obama transparently and poorly pretended he was a prof of English). Surely the repubs would like to point out the CAC about now.
And the woods foundation. And Ayers’ pre-eminent position in education in Chicago. No? Just what education reforms is Obama talking about? Surely it would be easy to find Ayers’ fingerprints all over
Obama’s education platform (if he uh, um, uh, has one).

the brookings institute is an angry left orginazation. Totally partican.
and CDO, i was not trying to be defensive if that is how you percieved it, sorry. I was just giving my take on it.
And Indiana dem, read my post above. Mac has a bigger tax break for working families than obama.
The only part of his plan that is the same is he wants bush’s tax cuts permanent.
And, to be fair. Bush’s tax cuts were not for an immediate impact. They will have an effect a few years from now. Clinton is my favorite, but keep in mind. GWB took over an economy in a recession.

The real issue with his economics is not taxes, bush’s problem is the power of our dollar is a joke.
It is worth nothing. THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM. Not his tax cuts. High energy and a plunging dollar is disaster.
McCains econimc plan will strengthen the dollar.
I also bet that we do not land in a recession this year either, as much as you guys on the angry left are screaming that the sky is falling. Obama’s Saul alinsky politics are so transparent.

I know…

the only reason I even know about this is because a friend of mine was Art Director for a baby magazine, and some of their advertisers were these cord blood banks and such.

I still have my wisdom teeth, maybe I can “mine” them, so to speak. If I could ever get over my dental phobia.

sorry that is as far right of a talking point as you can get

I don’t think MOST folks plan to live like that and the GOV doesn’t pay shiate! NO one wants to stay in that hole. Trust me. I don’t have a bunch of kids but I am disabled and MOSTLY on my ass and would be D E A D if it were NOT for the Government.

just so you know MOST of us don’t do this intentionally

there may be some in each city that would take advantage of what EVER is offered them for various reasons but I hate when the far right tries to make it generic

it’s NOT

Producers of goods and services are the engine of the economy–middle class and working class people. They’re the ones who should be given the big incentives if we want the economy to roll along. They also happen to be the primary consumers of the goods and services they produce.

At last I’m finally accounted for…Independent White Women…making a change.

Too bad I didn’t count with the Democrats.

Most disadvantages people have are by poor choices they made.

how rude! how the HELL can you know that???

seriously neo con

Ditto.

As Obama and others have pointed out, the biggest redistribution of wealth in the history of the world is currently underway: American dollars to foreign oil producers. Many of whom are opposed to our very way of life.

Obama’s totally serious alternative energy program could turn that trend around in ten years time and effectively address the climate change problem as a side effect. We wouldn’t need a second, enormously expensive program to remove carbon emissions from the increased burning of fossil fuels. Shifting to the new technology would also create thousands of permanent new jobs that would remain in the United States. What’s not to like about any of this?

McCain is focusing on increased domestic oil production–which would draw down our last remaining domestic reserves, and wouldn’t have an appreciable effect on supply or prices for another ten years. He’s also focusing on “clean coal”, which adds on the enormous costs of carbon emission control. McCain and Palin mention alternative energy technology as “promising future technologies”. They’re intending no crash program to permanently free us from foreign oil dependence as quickly as possible. There’s nothing at all to like about this unless you’re got vested interests in the dinosaur energy economy, clearly headed toward an early obsolescence. Europe is already way ahead of us on the road to clean, cheap, inexhaustible energy. I think we need to play a fast game of catch up, or we’re going to be left in the dust.

Well, when they have rioted in the past, they’ve burned down their own neighborhoods. I don’t see anyone being able to burn down Pebble Beach or Carmel. Arnie would have the National Guard here in minutes.

The Prison Guards Union, btw is circulating petitions to try to recall him. That’s the way he got in on his first term. Unless something really extreme is going on, I’m not for recalls. After the last one, none have been successful with other politicians. Too expensive and term limit is going to be up anyway.

Exactly. It may be the victory of the middle. If McCain and Palin win, I’m pretty confident that they will understand that fact. They will want to work in a way that will help them keep the support of the folks who voted for them….

Dawnelle

I caught an episode of 60 minutes one night that was doing a story on Howard Hughes and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.

Basically, it said that this institude is completely private and the govt. has no control on what it does in regards to research. One of the things they are focusing on is stem cells.

You may want to check out their site for details.

Trying to clean up Ayers just isn’t going to work. He has been vocal about how right they were in violent attacks.

Obama, trying to make him look benign and nice…as just your standard war protester. I lived though those years and was a war protester…the Weather Underground were not the norm.

More offensive sexism. It couldn’t possibly be that women who are or lean to Democrats are leery of Governor Palin’s conservative beliefs? Of course not, it must be because she’s pretty and will have all the men flirting with her. Everyone knows women never choose to support political candidates on issues, it’s based on which candidate doesn’t make them feel inferior.

I’m a moderate to liberal independent who has a very high tendency to vote Democratic. In this election I’m anti-Obama. I don’t like the way the DNC has pushed him on us to the extent they’ve utilized voter fraud and maligned and coerced a highly qualified candidate out of the race. I’m leery about his background, the possibility of dual citizenship, his associations with Wright, Ayers, Rezko, etc. and who knows how many more I haven’t heard of, yet.

If I could overlook all of that, I couldn’t vote for him even though I agree with most of his social and economic policies in theory, I think they’ve naive and without severe tweaking wouldn’t have a positive effect on the U.S. Internationally, I find him inexperienced and walking around in the dark with a near empty Bic lighter that is beginning to spark. If he had sat this election out, spent the next four to eight years gaining experience in the Senate in both domestic and international issues and distanced himself from the questionable players in his background, there’s always the possibility I would have found him a candidate worthy of my vote in the future. But he didn’t.

Of course, that’s all baloney, it’s obvious that because I’m a white woman born in the 60′s, I find dark skinned men scary and unattractive.

Biden I’m neutral on. He has positives and negatives. Nothing stands out where I’d want to vote for him or would make Canada look good to me if he became president. Out of all the players in this election, he doesn’t elicit much of a reaction in me. Maybe he should be, but so far he’s not perking my interest. I know, it’s because I’m a woman and he’s a 60 something year old man with a permanent frown desperately in need of Juvederm, and I’m not inclined to want to flirt with him.

I’m pro McCain and plan to vote for him. Not because he’s a war hero or his fight with me crescendo at the Republican convention, although I’ll admit that even skeptical me almost got caught up in that crescendo. He appears to have a better grasp on the international threats, issues and problems we face when compared to Obama. I don’t agree with his trickle down economics, but he seems to be more moderate economically than previous Republican administrations and his plans I think would do less harm than Obama’s.

No universal health care agenda with McCain, but I’m not convinced Obama’s plan would be an improvement. If Congress really has any intentions of doing something about health care, they can push universal health care through even under a McCain administration – maybe even one that works. If Congress doesn’t do it, they probably wouldn’t have done it under Obama either. In the end, McCain appeals to me because I know who he is, there’s nothing dark lurking in his past that is confusing and he keeps burying. He doesn’t appear to put any faction’s interests ahead of what he firmly believes is best for America.

That’s all nonsense too, I have a thing for flyboys, even silver haired 72 year olds and that’s why I’m voting for him.

I’m not pro Palin. Her stances on the environment, endangered species, abortion, etc. raise concerns in me. Her religious background is too extreme for me. But unlike Obama who may have chosen his church for the support it would give him in the Chicago political machine and less for it’s ideology, Palin appears to have chosen her church for it’s ideology. She left it in 2002 at about the time she ran for lieutenant governor for what appears to be a more moderate church. Did she leave the church because it had gotten too wacky for her or because she didn’t think being a member was prudent politically? I need to hear answers from her.

One line stood out for me in her acceptance speech. It wasn’t her pitbull lipstick thingy which if I hear that one more time, I may scream. (It’s a good sound bite, but I want to know where she stands on issues – not her preferred make up for hockey games). Her statement about Obama being more worried about reading Miranda Rights to terrorists alarmed me. What makes us different from the rest of the world is our justice system that requires warrants and Miranda Rights. It’s not perfect and that is shown when overzealous police and prosecutors decide to skip warrants (Hi Mr. Ayers – it’s much more fun teaching at University of Chicago than in a federal prison, isn’t it?) and following procedure. I can’t and won’t support a candidate for any office, even dog catcher, who doesn’t understand the significance of the 4th Amendment and what our founding fathers fought for.

I admire her fortitude in taking on the oil companies and her strategy of trying to get them to fund a natural gas pipeline. Unfortunately, it’s way too soon to discover if her policies will have a positive effect on Alaska and the U.S. or if the oil companies will choose to focus their drilling elsewhere and we’ll still be waiting for construction to begin on a natural gas pipeline in 2020.

I think she’s pretty and I think her clothing choices are perfect for her. If I were her dresser – I’d get rid of the puffed, teased hair and glasses, I think both detract from her natural beauty. But what do I know, the naughty librarian look seems to be working with men.

Of course, that’s all nonsense. My refusal to get on the Governor Palin bandwagon has nothing to do with because I’m leery that she will use her social, environmental and religious beliefs to change hard fought policy, I’m concerned that she doesn’t understand skipping Miranda Rights and warrants set nefarious people free, that she may want to do away with warrants and Miranda Rights and I would rather wait until I see if her reforms in Alaska have long term positive effects first. Nope. I’m really threatened by her attractiveness to men, they’re all flocking to flirt with her at the Twelve Oaks bbq in Georgia and none of them are paying attention to me.

Every possible door that could be opened to sexism in this election has been opened. That women are turned off by Governor Palin because of her physical attractiveness is more sexism, just another twist of it.

I haven’t seen any evidence that women are threatened by Governor Palin’s looks. In fact, the women attending the rally in Missouri yesterday who were interested in hearing Palin speak, were not according to our pop culture’s version of what is attractive physically in a woman more attractive than Governor Palin. The women shown were over 40, wearing at least a size 12 and didn’t have their hair and make-up done for a Cosmo shoot. Wouldn’t these be the women who would be threatened by Palin’s physical attractiveness? Or am I so offended by this form of sexism that I don’t understand it?

What is so offensive about this form of sexism, there is no way to fight it other than spend thousands to have one’s appearance overhauled so one looks like Barbie. Everyone, pales in comparison to Barbie. Once you rival Barbie, then you can prove that it isn’t Governor Palin’s physical attractiveness that is influencing your views. Of course, then you have a another sexism tactic to fight, you’re just another silly airhead with a pretty face and killer body. One door of sexism closes, another opens.

While republicans are focusing on flips, flops, ministers, over-the-hill retired 60s radicals, and misrepresentations of Obama’s tax plan, democrats are focusing on rebuilding our credibility and status in the world, the economy, the promise of cheap unlimited alternative energy, affordable health care, and the long-term solvency of Social Security.

Seven weeks is a long time. My guess is that before then people are going to notice there’s a real choice that relates to actual issues.

I’m a democrat and I approve of my party.

He would be smart to make her Secty of State.

Plus it would take the Dems down one in the Senate count. I’d like to see the Dems hold on to either the Senate or the House but not both. They need to be shaken up really, really hard.

“Sarah Palin is a milestone, for we achieve true gender equality when an incompetent woman goes as far as an incompetent man.”

Obama put himself in a trap on taxes. He has set it up as taking from the rich and giving to the middle class. He should have set up a middle class tax break and then worked out some more subtle avenues to get at corporations and the super wealthy. As for redistributing income, the history of the individual income tax is about graduated taxes.

Thanks so much Matthew!
You are making my day…and I am glad that my conservative dems are getting in their licks…15% up to 25%!
That’s change to believe in!!!!

The name of the organization is the Brookings Institute NOT the Brookings Institution.

Secondly, you can argue all you want about their non-partisanship, but they have several of their members who have been advisors to Democratic candidates and presidents, same as the Hoover Institute has researchers who have worked for Republican candidates, etc.

Take a look at the American Enterprise Institute. They get funding, and get around “non-partisanship” by having so-called liberal researchers like Norm Ornstein as “visiting fellows”.

I live in Washington and I have an M.A. in International Relations. None of these organizations, at the end of the day are non-partisan.

zee–Its all About LIKELY VOTERS now–they are the ones who are going to show up and vote. Registered voters means nothing. The media will not quote likely voters because thats where McCain’s lead comes from.

OMG! Have you seen this reader article at RCP?

McCain suddenly and breathtakingly surges 20-points over Democrat Barack Obama
RALEIGH (WTVD) — In an election for President of the United States in North Carolina Tuesday, September 09, Republican John McCain suddenly and breathtakingly surges to a 20-point win over Democrat Barack Obama, 58% to 38%, according to this latest exclusive SurveyUSA election poll conducted for ABC11-WTVD.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/politics&id=6380065

But unlike Obama who may have chosen his church for the support it would give him in the Chicago political machine and less for it’s ideology,

So on one hand he is using a religion to advance a political cause? Sounds like the “Radical Islam” to me. And you are uneasy because a person actually attends a house of worship for purley religious reason?
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I had a question about why it is, for what ever reason, Gov. Palin evokes such viseral responses from other women.

I don’t see Gov. Palin as “attractive”, although, I must admit putting her in a side by side with BO, …well… the M4 doesn’t hurt her.

I see her a just another person running for office. Yet I have noticed that women in piticular have a “strong” reaction to Gov. Palin, one way or the other.

I hope someone can explain it, because I do not understand it.
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I have no Idea what you are talking about Miranda rights and warrents. Gov. Palin is a Constitutional officer of her state, sworn to uphold the state and federals laws of the land and the Constitution of her sttae and the US Constitution….

I hate to break it to you but in order for someone to have something taken from them, they had to have earned it…not merely fudged the books, over-hyped stock, and then cashed in their “golden parachute”. I am a Democrat voting for McCain this election cycle but give me a goddamn break with this whole “redistribution of wealth” crap; because that is what it is.

There has not been today’s income disparity between the very rich and the very poor since the Gilded Age. The reason we had a solid middle class base was due to progressive FDR policies; of which I am all in favor.

Obama would not have the damn corporate support he has had all primary season if we were a damn Socialist. Don’t you think that his “corporatist” handlers are expecting some kind of a big payout at the end?

Most of these so-called rich citizens at the top are playing nothing more than glorified shell-games with our 401(K) monies. How about the Bear Stearns bailout? How many of those folks were cashing in bonuses each year in the hundreds of thousands of dollars on poor and risky investments. You mean you think they should get to keep ahold of that money.

Take a look at the Eisenhower years. The top 1% were paying taxes at a 90% rate. No, I do not think we should go back to that high a rate, but shouldn’t they be paying at least 30%, which is what people are paying in the middle?

The fact is that supply-side markets are good for the rich and undercut the middle class and the poor. We in the middle are the engine of the economy. We make money and immediately put it back into the economy. We do not sit on our “golden eggs” because we, and our families, have immediate needs that must be met!

Please don’t give me that whole Milton Freedman, Ayan Rand, Alan Greenspan crap. It has never worked!

At this point my thinking is they pushed him because they’re planning on using him. Dean et al, cannot win a presidential election, so they do the next best thing. Puppet meet your masters.

I never supported Romney. In fact I prayed **gasp** prayed that McCain wouldn’t pick him.

Wow, that’s why I feel so comfortable here. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been called that; and worse. It’s what I get for being an opinionated, fiscally conservative, socially moderate, non-denominational Christian.

How did you come to that conclusion? Why do you think that average American can’t work their way up? Just because the deck was stacked against them, doesn’t mean that they can’t live their dream.

Take me for example,. I was 14 when I first pick-up English. Working full time for half of the minimum wage and go to school full time. Neither of my parents are educated. In fact, neither of them speak English till this very day(they did save enough to have their home paid off by retirement on low income). Went into the military after high school, and took a average paying job after that and worked 6 days a week for a few years.

I save most of my pay(about 50% after taxes) and invest(in real estate and stock+options) during the Clinton years. Took me about 10 years to gain my financial independent. I am still not college educated(without a actual degree, what you bot call uneducated).

Would you call me more disadvantaged or advantaged? Would you like for me to remain mediocre? Is it a crime for me to live the American dream? Should I be lazy and sit on my brain so that I can be like everyone else?

Your wealth redistribution view is totally communist. It didn’t work so well for China pre-1980(I knew, since I lived part of it).

You fail to put up the % of total US tax paid by those top 5%, which make your argument flaw.
There is a progressive tax system in place that already is reasonable. The first 5000 net income after deduction tax at 10%, the nest 20k or so tax at 15%, about that pay 28%. Anything over 120k pay 33%. If you add the payroll tax, local and state tax, that number go up to over 50%. What will make you happy on the tax rate? 80%? 90%? Why don’t we make this a communist country while you are at it. That way every American can be mediocre and we can all live live the Cuban(China is more capitalist now than the US by the way).

Also, the AMT already bite most American middle class every year. The estate tax is shameful to tax over 1 million(it may be a lot of money 20 years ago, but it’s nothing since the dollar devalued 41% as you pointed out). What’s so wrong for parent want to pass on their hard earned money to their children? Why should they be tax again on that? What’s wrong with working hard for a better future that they should be punish for it?

Coming from a poor back ground, I am all for social justice. That’s why there are medicaid for the poor, and hopefully UHC(which neither Obama or McCain really support). Education system that work(I like McCain’s proposed education program for people who lost their jobs). Having been in the public school system, liberal policy is what’s wrong with the school. Babying of disadvantaged kids and parents who don’t care enough it’s the main problem. I spend more than 4 hours a day with my daughter on her studying at home on top of her preschool(and she’s only 4). It’s more of the parents responsibility than it’s the school’s. For liberal to make it a problem of school is way off. My uneducated parents use to sit by me to make sure I study and do my homework(too bad, I am not the book worm they like me to be, unlike my sister and my wife).

So until people actually take responsibilities, and stop blaming everyone but themselves, they and their children will not see to live the American dream. Before you bash me, just look at the credit card debt on average American, and the kind of car they drive on payment just prove my point.

BTW, do you even know how wasteful the Govt is? I seen $150 per screw that only cost $2 in a hardware store in my military days, and throwing away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment annually just in my department. That’s where you find the money for programs, just as McCain said.

That is devastating to the BO campaign. **knock knock** Hello, DNC; if you were running Hillary you’d be winning.

Barack picked Big Brown, and The Patriots and somebody else who was heavily favored to win something…anyway, he got that wrong, too. I think you are on to something eight belles!

Yea, I don’t care about his religion. Except in the context of Rev. Wrong’s hate-filled, racist church.

Well, if it goes to the Supreme Court he will not be able to steal it. Of course, he has to keep it looking close until November. Vote paper ballot in your state.

sorry for the double post, but it just occurred to me about the elections in some place like Iraq, where the people were holding up a red thumb to signify they had voted. We might just have to come up with a fingerprint scan vote that would have to take place over the course of a couple of days. I believe if we don’t, there will be ways to vote several times, with fake id’s, and multiple voter registration cards. A scan of a print would insure one vote for one person, and a permanent recorded proof of said vote. Just was thinkin’…

welcome aboard! I’m an ex Liberal Democrat myself.

So what about the guy on Fox news today who said the results of the troopergate investigation would “destroy” Gov Palin?

That has me worried because even McCain tries to defend her the media will make sure it saturates the 24/7 news programs.

And how can they already know that it will destroy her if the investigation is not completed yet?

Obama have no workable plan for energy independent in 10 years.

Plan of putting 1 million 150 mpg hybrid on the road iHow did you come to that conclusion? Why do you think that average American can’t work their way up? Just because the deck was stacked against them, doesn’t mean that they can’t live their dream.

Take me for example,. I was 14 when I first pick-up English. Working full time for half of the minimum wage and go to school full time. Neither of my parents are educated. In fact, neither of them speak English till this very day(they did save enough to have their home paid off by retirement on low income). Went into the military after high school, and took a average paying job after that and worked 6 days a week for a few years.

I save most of my pay(about 50% after taxes) and invest(in real estate and stock+options) during the Clinton years. Took me about 10 years to gain my financial independent. I am still not college educated(without a actual degree, what you bot call uneducated).

Would you call me more disadvantaged or advantaged? Would you like for me to remain mediocre? Is it a crime for me to live the American dream? Should I be lazy and sit on my brain so that I can be like everyone else?

Your wealth redistribution view is totally communist. It didn’t work so well for China pre-1980(I knew, since I lived part of it).

You fail to put up the % of total US tax paid by those top 5%, which make your argument flaw.
There is a progressive tax system in place that already is reasonable. The first 5000 net income after deduction tax at 10%, the nest 20k or so tax at 15%, about that pay 28%. Anything over 120k pay 33%. If you add the payroll tax, local and state tax, that number go up to over 50%. What will make you happy on the tax rate? 80%? 90%? Why don’t we make this a communist country while you are at it. That way every American can be mediocre and we can all live live the Cuban(China is more capitalist now than the US by the way).

Also, the AMT already bite most American middle class every year. The estate tax is shameful to tax over 1 million(it may be a lot of money 20 years ago, but it’s nothing since the dollar devalued 41% as you pointed out). What’s so wrong for parent want to pass on their hard earned money to their children? Why should they be tax again on that? What’s wrong with working hard for a better future that they should be punish for it?

Coming from a poor back ground, I am all for social justice. That’s why there are medicaid for the poor, and hopefully UHC(which neither Obama or McCain really support). Education system that work(I like McCain’s proposed education program for people who lost their jobs). Having been in the public school system, liberal policy is what’s wrong with the school. Babying of disadvantaged kids and parents who don’t care enough it’s the main problem. I spend more than 4 hours a day with my daughter on her studying at home on top of her preschool(and she’s only 4). It’s more of the parents responsibility than it’s the school’s. For liberal to make it a problem of school is way off. My uneducated parents use to sit by me to make sure I study and do my homework(too bad, I am not the book worm they like me to be, unlike my sister and my wife).

So until people actually take responsibilities, and stop blaming everyone but themselves, they and their children will not see to live the American dream. Before you bash me, just look at the credit card debt on average American, and the kind of car they drive on payment just prove my point.

BTW, do you even know how wasteful the Govt is? I seen $150 per screw that only cost $2 in a hardware store in my military days, and throwing away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment annually just in my department. That’s where you find the money for programs, just as McCain said.n 4 years is a lie. There is not workable model that could do that. The best design could only do about 70mpg(that’s plug-in, and required electric energy that we currently can’t keep up).

Wind energy can only provide about 25% of the need if fully implemented. And solar is a good start but it takes time. The cost of the two is unrealistic(in 10 years) in current economic situation.

Corn ethanol is a joke because it’s not that much better for carbon emission, and costly. It also take away food supply for the world population(who can’t afford).

McCain is for Nuclear energy, which is cheap and could provide for electric cars and fuel cell cars(which took huge amount of energy to make). Both are great for the environment. Further more, fusion tech will be ready in another 30 years(safe).

Give me some solid proof that his plan will work in 10 years. I want numbers. How much the cost and the number of each tech will will be in use, then I’ll vote for him(if it’s workable). Otherwise, stop BS us, the free thinkers.

As to reality, are you actually think that people will rush out to get a new Hybrid car(even if they can be 150mpg) when they are worrying about their home, health and dinner? You are so out of touch. Can we say “elitist”?

Ops, I accidentaly paste my previous post in the middle. Disregard from
Here is what I want to say.

Obama have no workable plan for energy independent in 10 years.

Plan of putting 1 million 150 mpg hybrid on the road in 4 years is a lie. There is not workable model that could do that. The best design could only do about 70mpg(that’s plug-in, and required electric energy that we currently can’t keep up).

Wind energy can only provide about 25% of the need if fully implemented. And solar is a good start but it takes time. The cost of the two is unrealistic(in 10 years) in current economic situation.

Corn ethanol is a joke because it’s not that much better for carbon emission, and costly. It also take away food supply for the world population(who can’t afford).

McCain is for Nuclear energy, which is cheap and could provide for electric cars and fuel cell cars(which took huge amount of energy to make). Both are great for the environment. Further more, fusion tech will be ready in another 30 years(safe).

Give me some solid proof that his plan will work in 10 years. I want numbers. How much the cost and the number of each tech will will be in use, then I’ll vote for him(if it’s workable). Otherwise, stop BS us, the free thinkers.

As to reality, are you actually think that people will rush out to get a new Hybrid car(even if they can be 150mpg) when they are worrying about their home, health and dinner? You are so out of touch. Can we say “elitist”?

I’m an optimist so I’m not that worried. After 12 years of Bush/McCain, the Democrats will win AGAIN in 2012 with Hillary/Kennedy. In the meantime, let’s do what Donna Brazile want us to do: Destroy and rebuild the far-too-leftist Democratic Party of thugs, elitists and misogynists.

In the meantime, let’s watch the Axelrod Frankenstein creation self-destruct from his hubris and narcissism.

B.O.W.L.* Big Time in November
*Barack Obama Will Lose
HRC – 45th POTUS

I wonder if Rev. Wright was “riding dirty”?

I just watched C-SPAN Anchorage Debates for Governor and Sarah was not a bad debater. But the Independent guy was more progressive.

I couldn’t believe when the moderator asked Sarah whether if her daughter were pregnant due to rape, what would she do and would she want this for everyone. Palin unflinchingly said “No” I would make her go through with the pregancy. Even with RAPE and INCEST! This is a hell of a tough lady here!

If she only had HIllary’s wisdom and compassion….But, hey, Sarah is a true red Republican chick! Too bad, as it makes me want to vote Independent more than ever.

Lou Dobbs has it right! Independents is the lost soul of America. Hillary’s moderate, commonsense, WOMAN-FRIENDLY policies were the Best.
Sarah Palin’s just another xeroxed candidate, spunky but with her ideology and understanding of women’s issues at an infantile level.
God help women this election. The Democratic Party should be demolished and rebuilt. Obama’s Hillary-bashing and the media misogyny brought us yet another antediluvian candidate. Both Obama and the Repubs are regressive.

Matthew Weavers

Excellent pics. Agreed. And thank you ever so much for abandoning (for today) your 3:00 AM Call to Arms sermons advocating for Hillary’s exposure to the cruel McCain-Obama politically catastrophic hurricanes and her consequent hara-kiri! Statistics here are so much more palatable….keep it up! You sound great!….

gerard

Let’s face it. This Baraccuda is not in favor of abortions even in incest and rape cases. Her economic ideas are as prolific as McCain’s (zilch) and her feminism is based on good looks and, to her credit, hard work and spunk. But…where’s the beef with this baraccuda when it comes to real issues that women care about? Children’s education, programs for the disadvantaged, freedom to choose to carry a child if the father or grandfather raped the child carrying the child? Universal Health Care? More wars to make profit for the armaments and military industry. Eisenhower warned us to be careful about the military-industrial empire starting wars the Republican way!

And, above, all, baraccudas just ain’t pumas! With Hillary out of the picture, the phony non-existent “choice” between a warmonger and a corrupt empty suit are NO REAL CHOICE for the thinking women voters of HIllary’s true base!…Too bad the exDemocrats really blew it!

She did not say it the way you wrote it. She said she would side with the choice of life. People come to different opinions and convictions in their life, there is absolutely nothing infantile about it.

Do you say the same of everyone who is pro-life?

Dawnelle;

I appreciate your concern; however, as Joe has so eloquently stated herein, the issues are not as ‘cut-and-dried’ as the ‘two sides’ might have us believe. I too am a Hillary supporter and am voting for McCain well in the knowledge that what Joe says is so true. Don’t let this worry you.

Consider this:

first, during six years of Bush and a Republican Congress there was not even one attempt to ‘adversely’ address these issues;

second, this Congress will undoubtedly be a Democratic one – McCain and Palin would *never* get this legislated;

third, Barky with a Pelosi House and Reid Senate could be VERY scary, indeed.

Just sayin’…

the ‘conservative’ rush was so disappointed in the ‘moderate’ mccain nomination that he wanted hillary to win her nomination and beat mccain in the general election.

he correctly assumed that obama could not win against mccain but that hillary would. it’s good for ratings to have opposition to bash!

this dislike for mccain amongst hardcore conservatives was evidenced in the 2000 election, where mccain got ‘smoked alive’…

what’s this shows is that mccain is NOT the ‘conservative republican’ that some are so afraid of!

and matt is right, few voters actually went along with this…

so, let’s all vote with confidence!

Dawnelle;

it seems like i keep responding to your posts

look at this way: obama wins, he may be in for eight years; he loses, hillary has a shot in 2012.

see the silver lining? good!

james: I’m a democrat and I approve of my party.

biden: I’m a democrat and I approve of my party.

obama: I’m a democrat and I approve of my party.

you do here!